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Speaker 1: Hey, let's do this. This is the Ben and Ashley

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Speaker 1: I almost famous podcast with our radio. Sorry, oh my gosh, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm like I'm the one that's eating here. Um. I

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Speaker 1: we got because we offered free food. Vanessa Um the

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Speaker 1: Crystal is my co host today. Crystal's birthday was yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Podcast loves you so much that we gave you a cake.

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Speaker 1: Everybody bringing the cake, you guys, paper, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: You guys. It looks like there's glitter over it, but

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Speaker 1: I think it's actually sweat the cake. Has you would

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Speaker 1: you eat something like that? I would not. I'll take

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Speaker 1: it home, I will sell it. I will let you

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Speaker 1: eat it. You know what we know? I definitely do.

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Speaker 1: I prefer drinking it in form of wine or dark chocolate.

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Speaker 1: So hey, what do you think if somebody does both?

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Speaker 1: I don't even want to talk about what I did

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Speaker 1: this entire past three days celebrating my birthday. Oh so

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Speaker 1: what did you do for your birthday? Um? So, my

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Speaker 1: fiance Chris actually surprised me. He like came in a

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Speaker 1: like champagne glasses. And then it was like choose option

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Speaker 1: I was like, I feel like I'm on the movie

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Speaker 1: was just a romantic weekend and we went to Laguna

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Speaker 1: You know. It was really nice, speaking of I mean,

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Speaker 1: not to completely happy birthday. And I'm glad that this

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Speaker 1: is just a doll. Did you all know you've both

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Speaker 1: been on the Bachelor before that. The creator of the

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Speaker 1: Bachelor created the hostile movies, which Mike, Oh yeah, I

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Speaker 1: look at up. I'm looking at him. You are you

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Speaker 1: saying the Bachelor is the hostel? I mean, situations absolutely

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Speaker 1: Mike Slizes did a very bad shark movie. But let

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Speaker 1: Mike fed By then with the knowledge, Isn't that weird?

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Speaker 1: Famous podcast, so we gotta find ways to buy time,

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Speaker 1: and part of that is getting to know the people

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Speaker 1: and I think that was just like that started it

428
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: for me, and I just I couldn't get past the

429
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 1: weight he was holding her hand, holding hand under the

430
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: honor as I'm having this heart to heart conversation. I

431
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: looked out. I was just like, you are so disrespectful.

432
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: And then I mean, I've never been in the position

433
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: of being in the lead, and I'm sure there's there's

434
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: so much that so much pressure. I can't blame him,

435
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: but I was disrespected. Did you feel disrespected because your

436
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: ego was like, I'm fighting with all these women to

437
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 1: get your attention, and even while there's other women around us,

438
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 1: you're still not giving me your full undivided attention. No,

439
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: it was I'm having a personal conversation with him, like

440
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 1: about my family, and I thought we had a moment

441
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: between us, and you know you want those moments, and Chelsea,

442
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: I think you can relate ben everyone here when you

443
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: just get to have a moment away in private, um

444
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: and have a conversation, it means a lot, because time

445
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: is everything. And to look down and say he's holding

446
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 1: someone's hand as I'm like spilling out my heart about

447
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: my family and just like you don't even care what

448
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying, You're just trying to get his physical connection.

449
00:24:52,840 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: That shook. Man. We're done here, Chelsea. I I know

450
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: you're out there, and uh, this is all super interesting

451
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: stuff to me. I always and this is not about me,

452
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 1: but it was always a really scary thought to me

453
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: that I would, uh ever show physical affection to one

454
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: woman in front of the others. It was really scary

455
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: because at some point during this whole experience, everybody's claws

456
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: come out, men and women. And when you get far

457
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: enough along the idea that I would give any woman

458
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: the ability to really put their claws out there and

459
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: they would feel vlidified by doing it, scared the bejeebus

460
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: out of me. Um, Chelsea, I want to hear from you,

461
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 1: so you get the first impression Rose, you and Crystal

462
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 1: go home the same week, Uh, you know, and we'll

463
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: kind of move this question amongst all of you. How

464
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 1: many people in the house when you went home do

465
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: you think actually believe they're right for Ari? Oh? Yeah,

466
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 1: truthfully based on I'm the very observant person. I definitely

467
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: read into body language, and I listened to people and

468
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm quiet because I'm really just observing. I would

469
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 1: say maybe three, maybe three of the people would definitely

470
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: have a solid relationship or reason why. I just think

471
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: they we're gonna, you know, end up with Ari. Do

472
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: you think that's based off of his interact like the

473
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: way that he was interacted with those women? Okay, yes, definitely.

474
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 1: I mean the way that he was, you know, treating

475
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: some women, talking to some women. Um, you know, just

476
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: regular behavior. Um bydy language is huge. Um. You know,

477
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: he was in control of who he chose to spend

478
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: more time with and how he chose to spend that So, UM,

479
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 1: I would say, like totally invested. If we're being honest here,

480
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: probably three. I think I think maybe like four maybe

481
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: like definitely, definitely five. I think I think four to

482
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: five and right in that range. Um, yeah, which I

483
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: feel like it's a good number. I would if I

484
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: were the lead, I would just want to be able

485
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: to pick around like five or three. I don't want

486
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: to make you know that it's too hard. Yeah. I

487
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: remember being there in the mansion and some girls are

488
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: like it's just a TV show, like calm down, or

489
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 1: like I'm just here for the friends, and I'm like,

490
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: what I keep up my life by career to be

491
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: here like I got, I got very emotionally invested in

492
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: looking back, probably not the best idea, but I want

493
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: to ask you, as a bachelor, do you choose who

494
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: goes on the one on ones because I want to you?

495
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: Or there's like a day yeah, so here's the here's

496
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: the interesting and you get why. So it gets frustrating

497
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: at times, um, And I think any lead would tell

498
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 1: you this. So most of the times you have a

499
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: huge you have always a huge say, but there's also

500
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 1: a suggestion or format too, like so for example, like

501
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: one week, I wanted to take let's say somebody on

502
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: the date and they're like, and the people the producers like, well,

503
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: you just took them on a date two weeks ago.

504
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: For you, that feels like forever ago to anybody watching

505
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: or to the women involved, like you need to hold

506
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: off on taking them on a date again, and so

507
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: they help. I think a lot of it comes down

508
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: to how the show is going to be like formatted

509
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: together to make it make sense to everybody involved, and

510
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: to also not hurt any of the cast that's that's

511
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: like involved because as a bachelor bachelor, you're kind of

512
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 1: closed off to the world. You don't really know what's

513
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: happening now. You don't have your phone either. You know

514
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: if your phone either, You don't know what's happening in

515
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: the house. That's the biggest thing is you don't know

516
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: who's arguing, why they're arguing, what they're arguing about, and

517
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: so you're just kind of like a lot of the

518
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: time you're using the producers as confidence and trusted partners

519
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, I'm into this person. I really want

520
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: to show them I'm into into her. How can I

521
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: do that? And can you help me make sure I

522
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: do that in the most appropriate way? That was always

523
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: my question, How Okay, here's my wish, here's my need,

524
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: here's my desire. How can you help me do this?

525
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,959
Speaker 1: And they would say, all right, let's talk and then

526
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: we talk and figure out a good game plan too. Okay,

527
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: maybe not this week, but next week we're going to

528
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: a crazy cool location. This would be a better time

529
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: for you to bring her on a date. She can

530
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: wait a week, You can wait a week. That's kind

531
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: of that's the balance. Can I ask about the first

532
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: impression roles? Do you give that out or is are

533
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: there suggestions for it? I think I know Chelsea wants

534
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: to know. Yeh, we got the first impression. Chelsea got

535
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: the first impression because I like ass of that night

536
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: though they were so iggressive, Chelsea cutting me off because

537
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,719
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm getting that roads. So that's another

538
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: like you we all have to be logical here when

539
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: it comes to the show. Um, you show up night one,

540
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: there's five to thirty some women or men who show

541
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: up to the house. You about only know their name

542
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: and if they smell good, Um you don't. You sit

543
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: down in this room and you go, okay, who made

544
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: a great impression on you? And you lay out and

545
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: you talk it through and you think about it, and

546
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: then once you pick some of the people have made

547
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: the best impression on you. Then you break it down

548
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: from there, Okay, is this somebody that I want to

549
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: that I think here's a big question, and Chelsea, this

550
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: is definitely um something that you should take personally. Another

551
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: question is Okay, anytime you get the first impression, Rose,

552
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: there's a target on your back. What woman in the

553
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: house can handle that target? And I don't know that

554
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: piece at on the first night. I don't know your

555
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: personalities or anything, and so I need help by my

556
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: friends or by the people that say, Okay, she can

557
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: handle this, and she can't. And so who do you

558
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: want to give this to that you know, walk out

559
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: of this and first off, not you know, destroy her

560
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: reputation and not get super you know, egotistical, but be

561
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: able to kind of just continue to go through this process.

562
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: So there's a lot to it. And then I think

563
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: we'd be crazy to think that the bachelor or the

564
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: bachelor in the first night just knows right away Oh yeah,

565
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: this is it just not the case. I mean, you

566
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: do have like a do you feel like night one

567
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: that you had a spark with a person or more

568
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: than one person that you're like, oh, this person is cool,

569
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: not even just like as a friend or someone that

570
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: made you feel extremely comfortable being there. Oh a thousand percent. Yeah,

571
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: you're I mean, but as I think I've I've shared

572
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: this a couple of times, but there's like three people,

573
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: Um that really and two of which actually didn't make

574
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: it that far. But that first and that was like,

575
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: you have a great first impress we have a great conversation.

576
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: But and and one of the reasons, and this made

577
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: it so hard for me, And and Laura knows this,

578
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: and she I don't think she'll feel weird for me

579
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: sharing this. When she walked around the corner, like my

580
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: world stopped, like everything changed and I don't know why,

581
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,959
Speaker 1: and it never left me. I was worried that, you know.

582
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: And I bet Nick. I think Nick says the same

583
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: thing about like your situation was there was just something

584
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: really different than what everybody else was experiencing and so

585
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: um for me, that feeling was so different with her

586
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: that I knew that it was either going to be

587
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: something special or something that was going to absolutely blow

588
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: up in our faces. Um. So yeah, you do have

589
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: that first impression spark. But again, like Lauren didn't get

590
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: the first impression, Rose because I was worried that if

591
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: I gave it to her, the target would be on

592
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: her back and it would force her out of the

593
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: house or first force her to be the enemy of

594
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: the house too early. And I don't want that. I

595
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: wanted her to kind of gouneath the radar, to kind

596
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: of go through the process. I think one piece of

597
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: advice I remember you gave Nick was to kind of

598
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: protect the person that or I mean the people. I

599
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: don't know I remember what the piece of advice was

600
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: that you gave to him, but I remember being like, oh,

601
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: thank god Ben gave him that advice. Yeah, okay. So

602
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: you always have a couple people, and sometimes you're lucky

603
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: enough to really have one that really stands out to you. My, my,

604
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: you know, my. I've shared this, but I was just

605
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: worried that something with Lauren was going to be off,

606
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: Like at the very last week, she was gonna be like, yeah,

607
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: I have a boyfriend at home and this isn't gonna

608
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: work for me. Um, And it never happened, right, But

609
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: you you're always kind of on edge the whole time,

610
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: so you don't want to give up everything else for

611
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: that one relationship. You want to stay open, like they say.

612
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: But the other piece of that is if you really

613
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: do care about somebody, you can have, like as the lead,

614
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: you can find ways to protect them so you know,

615
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: you don't give them the first impression. Rows you don't

616
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: ask them on thirty one on one dates, you don't

617
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: go off and spend two hours with him alone in

618
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: some city. Why everybody watches and waits on you. Um?

619
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: You you have to be strategic, and it's kind of

620
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: kind of the secret sauce to being a decent lead

621
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: is being you know, strategic and how you're treating that

622
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,239
Speaker 1: person that you think you're gonna end up with so

623
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: that not everybody ends up painting them and their whole

624
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: experience is terrible. Um. I guess it's the only gift

625
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: the lead can give outside of super awkward conversations after

626
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: you get off the show. I guess that's why, looking

627
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: back now, I never got a rose on a group date,

628
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: and I was so excited. I'm like, oh, this is

629
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: my night, and in my night, I'm gonna get it through.

630
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a rose. And I'm like, what does

631
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: he not noticed me? And then it started playing to

632
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: my securities. I'm like, oh, I guess it's not, and

633
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: I never thought on my season, he never gave me

634
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: any form of indication that it was me. Never, never, never,

635
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: not in the fantasy suite, uh not on any dates.

636
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: I remember telling him when I loved him it was

637
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: I was kind of shocked the way he reacted or

638
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: I told him I was falling in love with him,

639
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: and I felt like he was just like, okay, cool.

640
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: But I guess he wasn't able to show me more

641
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: because then, if not, I was going to get too

642
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,279
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643
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644
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: made me start second guessing, like, oh, maybe it's not me. Right.

645
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: He could just he could have just told everybody. That

646
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:36,400
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647
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Speaker 1: I want to hear about your experience on Bachelor in Paradise.

648
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: There's a couple interesting things that I always hear about Paradise,

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Speaker 1: huge Sleep number fan. Um. Anyways, Chelsea, I hear the

686
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: sleeping in the paradise is not the best. Walk us

687
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Speaker 1: through somebody behind the scenes of b I p okay,

688
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: you're ready for it. We are so. I'm from I'm

689
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: from Maine and I typically don't mind the whole idea

690
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: of camping. Well, this is definitely glamping. Um. We are

691
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: in a resort setting, but it's actually more of like

692
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: a cottage. Super sweet. We have huge windows and doors

693
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,959
Speaker 1: that are wide open to the ocean. I swear to God,

694
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: I was going to be actually carrying the ocean like

695
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: months after leaving Paradise because it's just so loud with

696
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: the roaring waves. However, we have yeah, we have friends, um,

697
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: a lot of friends, a lot of friends like that.

698
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: Many I thought it was just like added in as

699
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: editing or something. The bugs, Yeah, the crabs, crabs. Can

700
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: we talk about the June the June bug? Anyone get cramped?

701
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: And then um and then also at nighttime bed check

702
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: for cocker, which I found many fellow did you did

703
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 1: you have crabs in my bed? Did you guys zip

704
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: up your luggages before, Like if you leave your luggage open,

705
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: you don't know what's going to crawl into your luggage

706
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 1: and then what you're going to bring home. No Asterid

707
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: brought home whether they were like rotten crabs in her

708
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: luggage when she came back. We were on this big

709
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: group tax and everyone was sending photos of the items

710
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: that they had. Your little stockar unintentional souvenirs, nasty, nast day. Yeah, Paradise,

711
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 1: Paradis was really beautiful up he was saying. It was

712
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: just open ocean everywhere and no windows, no privacy, So

713
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: you know when you're no privacy. There's one door without

714
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: a lock, no locks on the other side. Use my

715
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: leg to right. There was a many of situations that happened.

716
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: Here's my sense of watching Paradise. I'm a big, big

717
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: bachelor in Paradise fan. Um. I get this sense that

718
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: kind of all boundaries get broken down. And that's maybe

719
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: why this love thy works there because like Vanesse would

720
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,959
Speaker 1: just say, like you're you're pooping in front of people,

721
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: you're sweating, you all kind of smell a little bit

722
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: like there is no fake There are very few fake things,

723
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: at least when it comes to physical appearance for both

724
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: the women and the men. When it comes to Paradise,

725
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 1: Am I wrong or right? Well? Do you remember, um?

726
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: For the problems for this? They showed me talking It

727
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: was probably two wills and I said, we're all just

728
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: basically naked, and that was the one way I could

729
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: describe it. We are all naked. Like there's no point

730
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: in where make up, there's no point in putting on

731
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: fields or like dressing up for anyone because it's just

732
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: a different type of climate there. It's something where that's

733
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, we don't have resources in Mexico, like we

734
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: do in United Yeah, like Amazon Prime or air conditioning fans.

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00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's so true. Paradise is just such a UM.

736
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: I definitely felt I personally felt so much more comfortable

737
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: in Paradise because I mean, as Chelsie was saying, it was,

738
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: you know, very relaxed. I mean, you didn't curl your

739
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: hair because it just fall flat within an hour. And

740
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: it just allowed us to be really focused on spending

741
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: quality time with one another, girls with girls, girls guys,

742
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: and just friendships and relationships to really blossom in form

743
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: and I felt like it was such a conducive relationship

744
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: or environment for relationships, which Chelsea, I have to say,

745
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 1: I'm so surprised that you didn't come out with a man,

746
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: and I was very very very careful. And then you

747
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: earlier had mentioned how you wanted to be respectful in

748
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: you know, getting to know everyone, and I think that's

749
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: the way that I did it as well, is I

750
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: didn't want to be fixated on just one person. I

751
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that that that person was always

752
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: in my head no matter how many people I took

753
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: time to get to meet and to know um, because

754
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: that was my one opportunity. It's the one time in

755
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: life that you are like literally free of all your

756
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: distractions and you can focus on dating. Um. I don't

757
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: get a lot of that. I mean, it's really hard

758
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: to do it when I'm available fifty percent of my time. Um,

759
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: and the dating is honestly blimp pickings here in the

760
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: Partland main area. It's hard. Everywhere I took, I took

761
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: advantage of it, and I honestly I love getting to

762
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: know people in general. And I made some amazing friendships

763
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: and I really did come out of there with love

764
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: in a different aspect and that family and friends. UM.

765
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: So my heart is certainly full. But I know that

766
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: I left that situation, um, giving it my all, and

767
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: you know I didn't find love. But I'm watching you,

768
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: Crystal was Chris Like. It has given me so much

769
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: hope that it does work and it's still out there.

770
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: That's all right. I'm going to Paradise next season. I

771
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 1: actually gotta go. My ubers waiting for me downstairs, and Vanessa,

772
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: we love you, thank you having you. Uh, Chelsea, We're

773
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: gonna get back to your love story and Paradise in

774
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: a second. I cannot wait to dig in a little

775
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,879
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776
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,200
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777
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,040
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778
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,200
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Speaker 1: What what is life like? UM? I want to hear

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00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: are definitely the trolls and the judgment that I get

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00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: for quote unquote being away from my son. Um. You

834
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,719
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835
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839
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,000
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Speaker 1: could last, um all the way to the end. We're

841
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: actually fine love and it benefits mine in Fammi's life. UM.

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of the ups and downs of doing

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00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: it as a parent because I'm not as free as

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00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: other people or care I would say careless to really

845
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: like pass fun with it. It's a more serious process

846
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: for me because I'm not only dating for me. I'm

847
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: dating for my son, UM and I I know so

848
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: much more now because of Sammy what it is in

849
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: life that I'm looking for UM and I feel so

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Speaker 1: blessed to happen in my life. It's never a downfall.

851
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: I much rather be single than settle. Um. I am

852
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: really never alone because I have him and um he

853
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: is that one guy that literally makes me become my

854
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: best possible self. UM. So, you know, going on Paradise,

855
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: I was fully equipped and I had this little boy

856
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: reminding me, you know, in my heart and in the

857
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: back of my head what it is I was fair for.

858
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: Especially when there are days where I'm like, why am

859
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: I not coupled up like everyone else. Um, And it

860
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: was also a purpose and a reason. And it's just

861
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 1: because I'm not going to settle. You know, it would

862
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: be nice to walk out of there with a boyfriend

863
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: and you know, get a little extra more air time

864
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: or something out of it, but it's it really isn't

865
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: worth it in the end. UM, I do want something

866
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: that has you know, happy ever after to it, And UM,

867
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: I have a better sense of what that is because

868
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: of how clear, um, how clear my thoughts are and

869
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: what it is I'm looking for. UM, I don't know.

870
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: It was. It was definitely challenging being away from him,

871
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: but it was worth understanding more and more through these experiences. Um,

872
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 1: what it is that him and I need in our life. Yeah, yeah, Chelsea,

873
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: And I think that I just want to commend you

874
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: for being such a beautiful, strong mother and an example

875
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: for Sammy. And in Paradise and I'm bachelor. You and

876
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: I had gotten to know each other and had spoken

877
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: about how difficult it was for you to be away,

878
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: but at the same time, and I think that a

879
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: lot of mothers out there can relate how important it

880
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: is for you to have this time for yourself too.

881
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: And I work with clients on this, especially mothers. You

882
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: need the time to self love, self care so that

883
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: you can come back and be that that mom, that

884
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: partner that you know, employer, coworker. You need this time

885
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: for yourself and so I'm proud of you for taking it. Well,

886
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: thank you. Go ahead. No, I just I just think

887
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: you're I mean, what you just said was completely correct.

888
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: And it's it's always, um, it's always something. It's intriguing

889
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,720
Speaker 1: to be the relationship between the fans and the mothers

890
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: or fathers that go on this show. I think it

891
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: was a dynamic that was like a shocker kind of

892
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 1: on Chris Souls. This season was really the first time

893
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: I remember it, but I hadn't watched the show really

894
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: before that. UM, kind of just like, oh my gosh,

895
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: there's a mom and it was like the storyline of

896
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: like when was she going to tell Chris that she

897
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: has a child? And that was kind of, you know,

898
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: the first thing. And then nowadays it moves into this

899
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: whole thing where you're a single mother and their single

900
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 1: fathers have gone on the show too. And as Crystal

901
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: just said, which I want to mirror, is we forget

902
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: or we assume or the fans sometimes judge the fact

903
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: that you want time for yourself to just like we

904
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: were saying, dating is hard, and especially you know that

905
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: if you add different elements and like being a mother, father,

906
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: going on this show allows you to take intentional time

907
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: to say, Hey, I'm out there, I'm ready. I want

908
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: to do this again, and as much as I love

909
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: my child, I want to partner in this. Uh and

910
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: this show seems to be a decent attitude for it. Yeah,

911
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: I would have. I would agree because truly you don't

912
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: have any any distractions and you can really take the

913
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: time for yourself and to find the relationship. Did you think, Chelsea?

914
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: Ask you? Um, your time on Bachelor Verse Paradise? Um,

915
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: I mean coming? If you could do one more show again,

916
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: which one would you do? One lead or a group

917
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: of men on the beach? Oh? Gosh, um? Because Ben's

918
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: going on Paradise next summer. It's hard. It's I get

919
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: very nervous about that because you know, we saw me

920
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: played Bachelorette and it kind of has this sexual you know,

921
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: being tied to it or image tied to it, and

922
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: that's not who I am. I certainly don't go out

923
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 1: and tis every guy that I meet. However, I can't

924
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 1: stop one from doing that to me. Um So I

925
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: did I could see myself as bachelorette because of how

926
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: serious I am about this process. I'm determined I am

927
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: to find love and how much I really do want it.

928
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 1: Um and knowing what I'm looking for would only help

929
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: the process. Then you mentioned that there are some you know,

930
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: there's some strategy behind who you choose to go on

931
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: one on one day, and you know the way that

932
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: you do it. My biggest thing about being bachelotte would

933
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: be hurting people. Um So, I definitely would have to

934
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: get over that. But you know, I do like Bachelor

935
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 1: in Paradise. Um. I had a great experience. I came

936
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: out again with you know, a ton of friends and

937
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: in a larger family now. But um I think I

938
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: said the other day that I'm interested to see if

939
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: it's just gonna organically happen. With my two experiences, I

940
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: saw a couple like Clay and Angela get together and

941
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: they weren't even on a season together. But we're all

942
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: in this one big niche where we somehow know one

943
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: another and it's an easy way to reach out. So

944
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: you know, or there's Ashley and Jared's you know, three

945
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: three years later they reunite and you know, they're not

946
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: getting married. So I believe in the process so much

947
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: that I would be certainly open to another experience. I'm

948
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 1: just um, I'm not I'm not sure when I'm not sure?

949
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: How UM, real quick before we we send you off,

950
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: that you've been great and you've been around uh, and

951
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: you've stayed on this podcast for a lot longer than

952
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: you YouTube and we really appreciate it. Um. If uh,

953
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: they would have asked you to go on Colton's season

954
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 1: of The Bachelor, would you have done it? Big question?

955
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, Um Okay, Well, so after meeting Colten, Um, God,

956
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: this is a hard one. I know, yeah, this is

957
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: a hard one. Um. If I was asked to go

958
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: on Colton season, I would personally say no. I watched

959
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: him kind of go between um, not knowing what he

960
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: wanted and knowing what he wanted, and I'm pretty sure

961
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: I want somebody that absolutely knows And we had the

962
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: time to talk to each other and he certainly was

963
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: not interested in me and he I respect that so much,

964
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: so I would have started out even though I really

965
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: didn't have enough time to get to know him. I

966
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: had enough time to feel a vibe. Um, and I

967
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 1: just don't think that we could like clicked on that level.

968
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: So um no, and and honestly, girls, it gets weird.

969
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: That gets weird. Guys. Hey, Chelsea, we love you. Thank

970
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: you so much. We have this is a good podcast.

971
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: Vanessa and Chelsea and you we got cake cow Um Chelsea,

972
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: thanks again, I love you too. Happy Firthday. Alright, bye Crystal,

973
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,439
Speaker 1: you are again, uh just super healthy. I was gonna

974
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:34,919
Speaker 1: say health and up, but that has this like weird

975
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: kind of taste where they get you're obsessed with being healthy.

976
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 1: You're just a very healthy person. You work out well,

977
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: you eat well, you keep your body in shape, which

978
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: is something that I admire and appreciate about you, and

979
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people do as well. One

980
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Speaker 1: of the products that supports this podcast is really focused

981
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: on allowing people to get the essential vitamins they need.

982
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: And I would love for you to tell our listeners

983
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984
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985
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: those daily vitamins. Okay, so um, thank you for the

986
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: nicet compliment and I definitely live health inventness lifestyle, and

987
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Speaker 1: I definitely recommend for anyone looking just to kind of

988
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: get started. It's talking about UM really focusing on a

989
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Speaker 1: strong multivitamin. This company called Ritual I've been trying out

990
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Speaker 1: and I'm a really big fan of it. Um. These

991
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992
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Speaker 1: really good like a natural essential oil. So Ritual is um.

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Speaker 1: But also you know they're in the USA with no

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999
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: help prevent nausea. Yeah, that which we talked about last week.

1000
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: This crazy thing. So I take all these vitamins um

1001
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: or I have in my life, and they always make

1002
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: my they really do, and I think they make my

1003
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: stomach hurt. And you get sick from vitamins exactly, Yes,

1004
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: I do. I definitely do on an empty stomach. So

1005
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:15,719
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1006
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: I know you love subscription boxes, all of our listeners

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1011
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1057
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Speaker 1: We have a new week with new updates. One thing

1058
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: I want to mention is, Uh, I've been in a

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1060
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: little stiff with Ashley Spivey. Um. We have now talked

1061
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: on the phone three day Frint times about this tiff

1062
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: went over Twitter. Yeah, I'll give you some background here,

1063
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: but I also want to say that Ashley is going

1064
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: to be coming on the podcast next week to talk

1065
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: about it. Um. I think it's going to be incredible

1066
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: for us to hash this out right here on our podcast.

1067
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: You find who she is because I know, but I

1068
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: think a lot of people listening don't. Yeah. So, Ashley

1069
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: was on The Bachelor a couple of years ago. She

1070
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: has now kind of left the Bachelor world. She lives

1071
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: in New York City. She's friends with a lot of

1072
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: the Bachelor UH contestants, and she's really made her life

1073
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: mission to stand up in support of women, and hey,

1074
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: I admire her for that. A little backstory here, and

1075
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: Ashley and I will talk about this next week in

1076
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: the podcast and make sure you check it out. I'm

1077
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,479
Speaker 1: I'm really excited for this conversation. I think it's gonna

1078
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: go someplace deeper than most conversations go, just in life

1079
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: in general. But what happened was I tweeted a tweet

1080
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: just saying that I think light always outshines darkness, no

1081
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: matter what you believe or where you're from, that the

1082
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: light of the world will he's outshined the evil of

1083
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,919
Speaker 1: the world, and that we can use the good things

1084
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: in life to outshine the evil. Well, she because she's

1085
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: sensitive right now and she's angry, and I get why

1086
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: she feels like there's a lot of injustices at play,

1087
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: especially towards women, and that tweets like that are coming

1088
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: from a place of not understanding where women what women

1089
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: are dealing with. And so I said that was not

1090
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: my intention, is not with my hope. But I get

1091
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: why she's angry, and you know, it probably was just

1092
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: bad timing, and she took it out on me, and

1093
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: she tweeted, give me your quote again. I want to

1094
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: hear it again. Um, my light outshines darkness. The light

1095
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: will always prevail. Yeah, it was. It was a kind

1096
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: of a make on Martin Luther King um. And he

1097
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,919
Speaker 1: has a really famous quote out there that just talks

1098
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: about being the light of the world. So my tweet,

1099
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: I was sitting I remember, I mean, this is this

1100
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: is what happened. So I'm sitting in my bed, um,

1101
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know what the world is just

1102
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: feels a little. Uh, there's a lot of dissension. Uh,

1103
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: there's it's very decisive right now. There's just separation amongst

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00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: men and women and races. And I just I feel

1105
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: like there's this urge inside of me say that we

1106
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: were going to do this thing, like we're gonna get there.

1107
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: We just have to continue to fight for the right things. Um.

1108
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: And And that was my intention. And again I cannot

1109
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: wait to bring her on because we are we are

1110
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: fixed things like this is. We've had three very productive

1111
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: conversations and we've came to a place of understanding. Um So,

1112
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: my my exact quote was, we all believe a bunch

1113
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: of different things, and we all have our incredibly valid

1114
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: reasons for that, but but no matter what you believe,

1115
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: we can we all agree that light conquers darkness. Darkness

1116
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: is hate, bigotry, and justice, inequality, et cetera. Will never

1117
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: conquer the light. And her response was pretty much was

1118
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: saying like, hey, this is coming from a place of

1119
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: privilege in a place that you just don't understand that

1120
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: there is a lot of like really heavy things going

1121
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: on right now. And at first I took it really offensively.

1122
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: So we went back and forth on Twitter and people

1123
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: chimed in and it became this kind of a big

1124
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: deal and it hurt because of a sudden I felt

1125
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 1: like I was defending myself against the one thing that

1126
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: I care so much about, which is being the light.

1127
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: I really do. And um but hey, you know what

1128
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: this brings up, Crystal Amy and everybody out there listening.

1129
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: It brings up that we just need to start talking

1130
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: more because as soon as Ashley and I got on

1131
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: the phone call and started talking, there was a lot

1132
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: of mutual respect. We realized we're on the same team.

1133
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: We both want to fight for equality. We both want

1134
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: to fight for people to vote and to stand up

1135
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: for what they care about. We we both want to

1136
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: fight for people to feel known, to be known, to

1137
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: feel like they can to fight in life with a purpose.

1138
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: And we only got there by talking. And so I

1139
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: think Ashley's gonna come on that podcast next week and

1140
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk. That's good, I think, though, Ben. The thing,

1141
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: and I'm going to be opinionated, is you're allowed to

1142
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:50,959
Speaker 1: say what you're feeling, and Ashley is allowed to say

1143
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: what she's feeling. But my hesitation with her is that

1144
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: she had to criticize or take you down to get

1145
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: her message out, which seems to be counterintuitive to what

1146
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: her message is. And I think that's exactly what she

1147
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: would say now, and I think she realizes that this.

1148
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it was funny we just got off the

1149
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: home before the podcast, because we're trying to talk as

1150
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 1: much as possible to kind of get an understanding and

1151
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: to feel like, okay, how as a male can I

1152
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: support women, and what can I communicate and share that

1153
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: that will be effective? And um, one of the things

1154
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: she'd even realized, you know about the podcast that we've

1155
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: done with I Heart Radio and Supportive Women. She's like,

1156
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: that's crazy, That's exactly what I think you should be doing.

1157
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: And I'm like, exactly, Like I'm the wrong person to

1158
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: be picking on right right, that's rights. It's like I said,

1159
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: super counterproductive to what her mission is. My hesitation on

1160
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: her and I totally will say this to her face

1161
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: and everybody can have their opinions. She was the one

1162
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: who sort of did the like detective work to out Garrett.

1163
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: I want to know what her that was. Hervation is yeah,

1164
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. Am I messing that up? Then? No,

1165
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: you're not. She she was her mode ovation I think

1166
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: is well, it's not. But in the defensive Ashley and

1167
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: I think next week we should just all talk. I

1168
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be awesome. I think it's gonna be incredible.

1169
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: I think she has been hurt um in ways that

1170
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: I don't understand. Like there's things. So here's one thing

1171
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:20,439
Speaker 1: I came to conclusion with to day, And this isn't

1172
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: easy for me to admit, but it's something that Ashley

1173
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: and I will talk about, and we can talk about

1174
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: now if we want. Is as a white male from

1175
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: a really good home, which I never want to take,

1176
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: I mean that is where I was born, My parents

1177
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: have been great to me. I am so thankful for that.

1178
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: There are things that have happened in a lot of

1179
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: people's lives, women, people of other races, people of the

1180
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: same race as me, from even the same town as me,

1181
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: in the same neighborhood as me. There are there are

1182
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 1: stories to be told that I will never be able

1183
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: to understand and process. And as a result, we just

1184
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: need to start listening. And I need to start listening,

1185
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: and I need to start becoming more aware. And so

1186
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: I think what Ashley is saying, and I don't think

1187
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: this was the best way for her to go about it.

1188
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: But look what we're doing, our talking on a podcast

1189
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: about this issue that hundreds of thousands of people listen to,

1190
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: and hundreds of thousands of people will listen to us

1191
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 1: talk and hash out and I will admit to her

1192
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: that hey, I don't get it. Please explain to me

1193
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: where you're coming from, where this hurt is, where this

1194
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: anger is, and how can we then come together in

1195
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: unison and help share more light? Because I will never

1196
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: I will tell anybody this, and this is one thing

1197
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: I've told her. I will never ever back down to

1198
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: the idea or the philosophy that light will outshine darkness.

1199
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: That's not something I will I will never never submit

1200
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: to see. That's not sweet, was fine, and it's what

1201
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: you were feeling. I am interested to talk to her

1202
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 1: because there are people that get on their soapbox and

1203
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: they forget to listen. They're so certain of their message

1204
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: and their passion, which I respect, but they forget to listen.

1205
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: And I think I just find with her that I

1206
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: think she's getting something out of taking some people down,

1207
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,439
Speaker 1: which I'm not a hundred percent sure is the best

1208
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 1: way to go. But I will definitely be tuning in

1209
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 1: to listen to that podcast. What a podcast. It's gonna

1210
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: be awesome. Excited. She's been great, We've she has been

1211
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: tremendous to me um here the last few days. It

1212
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: has been more of a therapeutic experience than I ever

1213
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 1: could have imagined. I'm learning a ton from her, and

1214
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: I think vice versa one person, we have a lot

1215
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 1: to learn from something that's been captivating the country. Something

1216
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm still so confused about is Jenna Cooper. Jenna Cooper

1217
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: and Jordan's are still hashing it out. We had Jordan's

1218
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: the podcast last week. We understand that the quality maybe

1219
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: wasn't as good as what we desire for this podcast.

1220
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 1: But unfortunately Jordan was I don't know, up in the

1221
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: mountain skiing when we booked him for the podcast, so

1222
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: blame him cutting really bad. It sounded like it was

1223
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: absolutely awful, so we didn't get his Uh we need

1224
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: get a clear side of the But I have read

1225
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: so many articles been I am so confused by what

1226
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: is happening. I'm even more there's like lawyers and what

1227
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: is how opening and they have opposite sides, and I'm like,

1228
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: what is really happening? Yeah, so we don't get it,

1229
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 1: but I don't think anybody does. I would love Crystal

1230
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: Free to weigh in on this because you were with

1231
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: them in Paradise. Um. But a little backstory just in

1232
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: case you missed last week's episode or you didn't watch Paradise.

1233
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: Is Jenna and Jordan dated in Paradise. They come off

1234
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: Paradise engaged and the love Uh long story short to

1235
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: just speed up the process. There were them some pictures

1236
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: of tweets that came out where Jenna was texting another guy, UM,

1237
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: a bunch of very like romantic things. Jordan and Jenna

1238
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: then ended up breaking up once these pictures were released. UM,

1239
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: Jenna puts out a statement and then uh, just recently

1240
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:48,479
Speaker 1: she posts on her Instagram from Hatch Little and bun LP,

1241
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 1: which I'm assuming is the UM attorneys a forensic report

1242
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: digging into where these pictures of the text came from,

1243
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 1: who sent them, and there is an investigation on its way.

1244
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's under investigation right now. And all

1245
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: I can think about is this is a really sad

1246
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 1: situation for a couple of reasons. But let's start at

1247
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 1: the beginning. Um, given just given the fact that maybe

1248
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: Jenna did cheat on Jordan's this has now blown up

1249
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: to be something that is costing. I can't imagine tens

1250
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: of thousands of dollars. Uh, that is just being dragged out,

1251
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 1: Like what is the point to be proven? So Crystal,

1252
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 1: I think Amy, I think Mark and East and everybody

1253
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 1: in studio. I just want to let you talk here

1254
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 1: and get your side. You you probably have a little

1255
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 1: more insight into this than anybody else. Yeah, I mean

1256
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: I was definitely in paradise with Jenna and Jordan's and

1257
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: I watched that whole relationship really form, and you know,

1258
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 1: I have to say that Jordan was so smitten with Jenna.

1259
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he really felt hard for her, and you

1260
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: could kind of see, you know, Jenna how this connection

1261
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 1: with Ben Watt and then also with Jordan at the

1262
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 1: same time, and really towards the end, I remember seeing

1263
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: her after the proposal and she just told me, she goes,

1264
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: I go, are you okay? I've grabbed her and polder.

1265
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 1: She was shaking and very white, and she said he

1266
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to propose. He told me he wasn't going

1267
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: to propose, and I was like what, And you know,

1268
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: and we were both, I mean, we were both just

1269
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:22,919
Speaker 1: still shaking from the whole rush of the proposal and

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01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: and I know, I read a lot of things that

1271
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: had kind of come out on Reddit saying that their

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01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: relationship um that Jenna wasn't really invested in it. And

1273
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: so when the whole scandal kind of came out, I

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01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 1: I don't want to say I wasn't surprised, but something

1275
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: smelled a little fishy. Yeah, I mean there had been

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01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 1: a lot of rumors that have been going out that,

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01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: so I wasn't surprised when that that's where it kind

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01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 1: of came out. But honestly, I feel for them because

1279
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: I thought that their relationship, I mean, it was pretty volatile.

1280
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: They were extreme highs and extreme lows, and you just

1281
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: saw a lot of movement in paradise um and I

1282
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: think that ultimately, I think this is just getting really

1283
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:10,439
Speaker 1: blown out of proportion and weird, and it's just needs

1284
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 1: to stop. Just It's like, does anybody think I actually

1285
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 1: really care? I don't totally care about I don't care.

1286
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 1: If she's disagree with you, I'll disagree with you. Now

1287
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 1: I think this drawing out the process has now forced

1288
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 1: me to care. Mm hmm. Interesting. Yeah, So like I

1289
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 1: didn't care before, I mean I still cared, like breakups

1290
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: are terrible. And I was into the Jenna Jordan relationship

1291
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 1: and I thought it was cool for both of them

1292
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 1: that Geordan had found somebody to compliment him, and you know,

1293
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 1: he had became you know, gone from villain to sweetheart

1294
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 1: as well. I thought that story line with something that

1295
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: was something I wanted to cheer for So it was

1296
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 1: like when I read the news that they were breaking up,

1297
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 1: I was like, interesting, set, I mean, just like I would,

1298
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 1: this is sad and this is this doesn't seem like

1299
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 1: it's healthy now. I mean, I'm literally reading reports on

1300
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: Instagram that she posted this. I mean, this is the investigation.

1301
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm reading legal documents right. That's why I'm completely befuddled

1302
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 1: by this, Like what is happening? I'm trying to pull

1303
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 1: up her. Has anyone gotten all the way through that

1304
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 1: legal document? I'm like, so, what's the cliff note version

1305
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 1: of it? Give it to me like five emojis like

1306
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 1: coumbs up, thumbs down, Who's at fault? Because I started

1307
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 1: going through it and it's just like, I mean, just

1308
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 1: the legal joy. I need someone. We should hire it,

1309
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 1: we should call someone in. We need a lawyer just

1310
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: to kind of give us a very a quick cliff

1311
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: note version of it. But I'm like, it's jargon. What

1312
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: is it saying? Bendy? What does it? What does it mean? Um?

1313
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 1: So here here's the notice. UM let me read you

1314
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 1: the last page of this. The next step and then

1315
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: investigative process would be to the review the source device

1316
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 1: on which the alleged messages were received. If the source

1317
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 1: device that received the messages has not been forensically analyzed,

1318
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 1: there's no way the messages posted online could be categorized

1319
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 1: and vetted and verified. So what that's saying. It sounds

1320
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 1: like it's they needed look at this phone that the

1321
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 1: guy that she was texting that then shared the messages.

1322
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 1: They need to see his phone. He's not giving it up,

1323
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: so this so it's saying, it's like, there's no way

1324
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: to continue this process unless they get his phone um

1325
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 1: or they get a warrant for his phone, and then

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01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 1: it ends. The findings, conclusions, recommendations, and opinions and this

1327
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 1: report are based on the information known by and disclosed

1328
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 1: to produce three And it's the date of this report.

1329
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 1: Get it? Are you guys done? Yeah? But then are

1330
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 1: you reading this person? Good morning princess? Like there's like

1331
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 1: transcripts of text and then it says lip emoji was

1332
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: sent from MS Cooper's phone to Mr Kimball's phone, So

1333
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 1: why is it going from her phone to his phone

1334
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 1: that says good morning princess and then me either my

1335
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 1: heart's already melting was sent from Mr Kimball to Miss Cooper.

1336
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 1: That's very poetic texting, by the way, Like I've never

1337
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 1: received any sort of text in my life that's said

1338
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 1: my heart is melting, good morning, princess. Nothing I get like, hey,

1339
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 1: stop texting me? Where do you? Where do you find

1340
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 1: your men? Not at the castle? This is uh so. Anyways,

1341
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 1: here's my opinion, um, and I'm entitled to it. I

1342
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:22,959
Speaker 1: think Crystal said the best. This just needs to stop,

1343
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 1: Like why am I involved in this process? Like why

1344
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 1: am I being dragged in? And obviously we have a

1345
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: podcast we're gonna talk about it. But even if I

1346
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 1: wasn't on the podcast and I followed Jenna Cooper fit

1347
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 1: on Instagram, I'm gonna see some legal documents. Why is

1348
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 1: this my business? Why has it become my business? What

1349
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 1: is the intention? What is the endgame? Where is this going?

1350
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: And let's just make it stop. Like you broke up,

1351
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 1: it's ugly. Whatever happened isn't good for either side. I

1352
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 1: don't care who's at fault anymore. The text messages are

1353
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: weird no matter what. So so here's here's the two scenarios.

1354
01:11:55,240 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: Tell me if I'm wrong, Crystal. The one scenario is, um,

1355
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 1: these text messages are real. Uh they were sent. They

1356
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 1: were it was sharing a new relationship. That's weird, Like

1357
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 1: these text message are pretty weird to be engaged in

1358
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: sending the text message wake up in the morning. It

1359
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 1: says my heart is melting for you with lip emojis.

1360
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 1: The second alternative is that these texts are fake. So somebody,

1361
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 1: I think what this is saying is UM made these

1362
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 1: texts and pasted them and made it look like it

1363
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 1: was from Jenna's phone. That's weird too. So I'm reading

1364
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:29,600
Speaker 1: it right now. I'm reading it right now, and what

1365
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 1: it looks like I can have actually gotten this far

1366
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 1: into the document um is that it looks like these

1367
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 1: are exchanges between Jenna and Jordan's and the whole um

1368
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:44,839
Speaker 1: photos that came out. We're saying that these are photos

1369
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 1: text messages from Jenna to another man. And so what

1370
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: this document is saying is the photo the text messages

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01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 1: are between Jenna and Jordan's. So it was I think

1372
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 1: what ultimately, and honestly, I wanted I wanted to take

1373
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 1: a second from Jenna because um, I don't believe in

1374
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 1: cheating out. It's never okay, But I do want to

1375
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 1: say from Jenna's perspective. I know, like we go on

1376
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,480
Speaker 1: The Bachelor and Paradise, and I know Jenna was really excited,

1377
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 1: as you know, I think we all were. You have

1378
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 1: a brand and give a platform to kind of share

1379
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 1: your message, and Jenna's a businesswoman and you know, does

1380
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: a lot within her community, and I think, I know,

1381
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 1: coming out of Paradise was I'm sure very much looking

1382
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 1: forward to the opportunities that come with you know, being

1383
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 1: on the show and then having that relationship celebrated. And

1384
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: at the eve of literally like the eleventh hour of

1385
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: the finale, I mean the day of the finale leaks,

1386
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 1: this whole story leaks, which is tanks Jenna's reputation, and

1387
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:38,680
Speaker 1: really like when you go through that whole journey and

1388
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:43,640
Speaker 1: process and to have really all the opportunities and reputation

1389
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 1: kind of taken from her. And I know she's very

1390
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 1: close with her family and has a lot of younger

1391
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 1: like several younger sisters that she really is very conscious

1392
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 1: of how she behaves to set that example for them.

1393
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: So I know that I think Jenna is really just

1394
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,799
Speaker 1: trying to clean her reputation. Does she have two boyfriends

1395
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 1: or not? That like class, I don't need all these

1396
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: documents and any of this. Here's what I want to know.

1397
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: You're engaged to Jordan's totally fine. Do you have like

1398
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 1: a boyfriend? That was kind of the timing is a

1399
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 1: little dicey, like what's the real deal? And then otherwise

1400
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,799
Speaker 1: I don't care. You know. It's like I could understand

1401
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: if you know, she went into Paradise and maybe was

1402
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 1: seeing someone and I was like, I'm not gonna date anyone,

1403
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 1: and then like you know, fell in love and not

1404
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 1: someone and got engaged. I mean I was a hundred

1405
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 1: percent agle, but um and coming out of it and

1406
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:30,680
Speaker 1: you're like, just just I am not projecting. This was

1407
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 1: not me. But you know, like I know last season

1408
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 1: in Paradise there were multiple women who had boyfriends who

1409
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 1: were going on the show, like and she meets someone

1410
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 1: and it takes my surprise and comes back and it's like,

1411
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:42,639
Speaker 1: oh I got a boyfriend, Like I was dating someone

1412
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 1: before the show. I wouldn't care. That would be like, okay,

1413
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 1: so figured out are you gonna be with that guy

1414
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: or this guy? That's like, you know, we all stumble

1415
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 1: through life, we all make mistakes, right, it's a matter

1416
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: of learning and growing. Like Ben was saying earlier with

1417
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, Ashley s but it's um, if you made

1418
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: a mistake and messed up, it's just own up to it.

1419
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:01,839
Speaker 1: And I think every one just once just the truth.

1420
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 1: And I think when you come and I can say

1421
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 1: that from having been been villainized on the show, and

1422
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of rather than being defense defense defense,

1423
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 1: but taking a second, breathing, owning it, stating what you

1424
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 1: need to stay, owning the truth, and then moving forward.

1425
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 1: I think everyone everyone can move forward. Do you think

1426
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 1: I think we all watch Yeah, I mean it's like

1427
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 1: so weird. Do you think maybe she's like a little

1428
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 1: bit because I do think the timing is interesting that

1429
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 1: the day after these instagrams were posted, the day after,

1430
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 1: Jordan's was on Dancing with the Stars, which is like

1431
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 1: a humongous TV show dancing not able to rip his

1432
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 1: shirt off with the Jenna Dancing with the Jenda Jenna

1433
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 1: right and and Joe. So, Ben, do you think that

1434
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,879
Speaker 1: that has anything to do with like why the timing?

1435
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 1: M M, yeah, so just somebody's clear. Last night on

1436
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 1: for this week on Dance with the Stars, Joe brought

1437
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,599
Speaker 1: in Jordan to be his partner on the show's that's

1438
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 1: a crazy partnership. In general, they were terrible, absolutely terrible Joe,

1439
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 1: but then they were absolutely awful, like they struggle bad. Um.

1440
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a secret at this point, but UM,

1441
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 1: you know, I wonder if there's a little resentment. You

1442
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:15,640
Speaker 1: have to imagine there's some jealousy there. This seems like

1443
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 1: a battle. Um, at this point, we should just move on.

1444
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody here. This is now kind of

1445
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 1: one of those scenarios that whatever injustice was being done, um,

1446
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 1: can be something that both parties could forgive. We can

1447
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 1: forgive both parties and just let's just close it. And

1448
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 1: I think Jenna's reputation would actually be better here. And

1449
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 1: here's the truth, Like none of us this, like the

1450
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 1: Bachelor World, is great. Nobody cares about us that much.

1451
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,679
Speaker 1: And if you just stopped talking for like twenty four hours,

1452
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:52,679
Speaker 1: other does something crazy from this show that will take

1453
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 1: over the headlines. I mean, how do we keep a

1454
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 1: whole show going on for every week of the year,

1455
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 1: because every week there's new Batchel updates of somebody else

1456
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 1: doing something absolutely asinine and ridiculous that we get to

1457
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 1: talk about and share until the show's on again, and

1458
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 1: we get a whole new group of goofballs. They're gonna

1459
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 1: mess up, try really hard, break up, hook up, whatever

1460
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 1: they're gonna do, and we're gonna talk about it. So

1461
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 1: just stop talking for a while and all this will

1462
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 1: go away. Jenna the Almost Famous Podcast supports you. Jordan's

1463
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 1: The almost Famous Podcast supports you. But next time, when

1464
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 1: you book and come on our podcast, find a quiet

1465
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 1: place you're almost Um hey, Crystal, you've been awesome. You've

1466
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 1: been really really great. We've got to go or our

1467
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:39,799
Speaker 1: listeners are gonna absolutely destroy because it's been a long podcast.

1468
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 1: Um you. Uh, we're so happy for you. Happy birthday.

1469
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 1: Tell Chris he did a great job. I'm already getting

1470
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 1: emails from people about next week. Then they're like, I'd

1471
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 1: like to tune in for that please with Ashley Spivey.

1472
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: Like that is some juicy juice. It's gonna be great

1473
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 1: and could be strong Ben and not just be like

1474
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 1: what was your perfect Ben? I don't need that, need

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Speaker 1: be that's like a warrior. Yeah, this is this is

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Speaker 1: a podcast, Ashley. Like I said, Ashley and I've been talking,

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Speaker 1: Uh we are in good terms. But they but we're

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Speaker 1: gonna say I think we've saved a lot to dig into,

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Speaker 1: and so we need a good amount of time. I

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Speaker 1: but there's also a lot I do understand, and I

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Speaker 1: lot of this is my job on a daily basis,

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Speaker 1: and so it's gonna be I think, a really helpful,

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Speaker 1: healthy conversation to have UH in a public setting on

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Speaker 1: a platform like the almost famous podcast. So thank you

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Speaker 1: for giving us opportunity. I just ask anybody out there listening,

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Speaker 1: email your questions on UH that you kind of read

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Speaker 1: from Twitter if you're a fan of that, to Ben

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Speaker 1: I think Ashley I can. I think Ashley Spivey and

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Speaker 1: I just need about fifteen minutes of uninterrupted time to

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