00:00:08 Speaker 1: Well, I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear. When you're a guest to my home, you gotta come to me empty. And I said, no, guests, your presences presents enough. I already had too much stuff, So how do you dare to surbey me? 00:00:47 Speaker 2: Welcome to? I said, no gifts. I'm Brigard Wineker. 00:00:53 Speaker 3: Oh. 00:00:53 Speaker 2: I hope you're doing fine. What's going on in my life? I ate dinner at five pm, and so I'm full, but it's earlier than usual. I feel like that time just continues to slip backwards. That's just maybe a condition of the pandemic. I feel like by the time this is overall, be eating lunch at eight am. And that's fine. We're just doing what we can do. You don't care, that doesn't matter. You're here for the podcast, and so we're going to get into it. I'm very excited about today's guest, and you should be too. Just a deer man, none other than Jimmy Kimmel. 00:01:31 Speaker 4: Hey, now, how you doing, Jimmy? Welcome to? 00:01:34 Speaker 2: I said, no gifts. It's weird to see you without glasses. It's a kind of a new development for me. 00:01:40 Speaker 4: I feel like I should put on glasses now, since you are now not balanced the scales here. I bought these. These are women's glasses. I bought on Costco dot com. 00:01:50 Speaker 2: What they're very nice looking. Well, thank you, you know they are. 00:01:55 Speaker 4: I need reading glasses now, and I lose them constantly all over the house. So I buy them in packs of eleven now and then sometimes they show up and they're like, I don't know what color this is, but they're not designed for men. 00:02:10 Speaker 2: They look nice. 00:02:11 Speaker 4: Oh, thank you. 00:02:12 Speaker 2: Wait, so Costco sells glasses in bulk. 00:02:14 Speaker 4: Oh they sell everything in bulk. Yeah. Yeah, they can get a whole pack of reading glasses on costco dot com. 00:02:20 Speaker 2: What if you want to launch an optometry office or something, Yeah, we're opening a lens Crafters. 00:02:24 Speaker 4: Actually, do you remember how Pamela Anderson opened the Starbucks in her home just so she had it there. 00:02:30 Speaker 2: But is that true? 00:02:31 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know. Oh you missed that one. It was a big story at the time. When it happened, it was like, oh my god, nothing crazier then this will ever happen. When I was a kid, when I was in junior high school, I wore glasses. I always had glasses as a kid, but my parents were too cheap to ever take me back to get another Paris like, these are the glasses you will wear for the rest of your life. And one arm broke off glasses and they never took me back to get another pair. So I wore for at least a year and a half. I wore glasses with one arm. And I'm here to tell you that you don't need two arms for glasses. You can wear them unless someone calls your name and you turn your head, in which case they will go flying across the room. 00:03:17 Speaker 2: Right, I feel like that's going to require a decent amount of tilting your head. That's going to lead to some sort of neck problem. 00:03:23 Speaker 4: You learn to work with it, But yeah, you might. Maybe I'll find out in my eighties that that's where my net it's. 00:03:28 Speaker 2: Going to manifest itself. At some point. You're going to just have this strange tick that you're dealing with. Wait, so how did you solve the problem? You ended up convincing your parents to get new glasses. 00:03:37 Speaker 4: I applied for what do they call it when you divorce your parents? 00:03:42 Speaker 2: Emancipation? 00:03:43 Speaker 4: Yes, I became emascurpated. No, I got a job, and then I just bought my. 00:03:47 Speaker 2: Own glasses, right right, yeah, Well, glasses until maybe five or ten years ago were a very expensive thing to buy unless you wanted the worst glasses in the world. 00:03:57 Speaker 4: Isn't it funny that you can pay I can get a pair of ray bands or whatever, or even more expensive. I sometimes I'll wander in the sunglass hut with my wife and I stare at these glasses and go, why is this one three hundred and fifty dollars? And then the glasses at CVS are one dollar? Why is that? And the answer is I don't know. 00:04:18 Speaker 2: Well, I think you put them on and you'll you'll know almost immediately, or at least people looking at you will know what's going on. I feel like a CVS pair of glasses, Well, I don't know. I haven't looked at the CBS glasses in a while, so. 00:04:31 Speaker 4: I cannot aspagine how they should be. I mean the price comparison, Like if you bought a car that costs three hundred times as much as another car, you'd say, well, there's you know, this is a much better car. 00:04:42 Speaker 2: But in the case of the CVS classes, it's like forty percent. That's very true. This is the thing that I feel like. An optometrist told me they were trying to sell me on a pair of glasses that like five hundred dollars and they told me, well the last of ten or fifteen years. And I thought, I don't want that. I don't want to be wearing the same par These will not look good in three years, in fifteen, I'm going to look like I'm out of my mind wearing a pair of glass. 00:05:03 Speaker 4: Unless you're Woody Allen, you don't wear the same pair of glasses for your whole life. 00:05:07 Speaker 2: And no one wants to be going for that look in any right, Ye out of style? Oh to be in a sunglass hut, Now that's the dream. 00:05:16 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, sure, how are you doing? I'm doing well, everything's good, you know, I I there are definitely things I enjoy about this lockdown time of our lives. You know, I'm doing a lot less, which you're right. 00:05:30 Speaker 2: I mean you were working from home for a long time. 00:05:33 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I was doing the show for my Actually the first week I was like kind of doing everything by myself. I was just sitting and talking into my laptop. And then we decided that maybe we should we should coordinate it and really you know, at the time, I thought, well, well, this will be over in two weeks. We all did, and here we are. Yeah. Now, I don't know if you've seen, but we have. You know, we forced the staff into the into the studio, right, and so there are like fifteen people sitting there pretending the last at my jokes. 00:06:00 Speaker 2: They make a very good audience. 00:06:02 Speaker 4: Yeah, they're pretty good because you know what one of the I found that it if you find if you have an audience whose jobs, whose livelihoods depend upon laughing at your jokes, it's really funny. You turned out to be hilarious. 00:06:15 Speaker 2: If all of the audience is being paid at all times, you're going to get a decent laugh. 00:06:19 Speaker 4: That's yes. 00:06:20 Speaker 2: And you guys have a new kind of setup for the guests. You've kind of got this a little bit more casual. You're not behind a desk anymore. How are you feeling about that? 00:06:28 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's one of those things. What do you think of that? Because I feel like maybe I might not ever go back to the desk. I don't know, I kind of like just sitting there. 00:06:35 Speaker 2: I mean, I think you're kind of a casual guy. The desk has I mean, as long expired as far as why was it ever there in the first place. Why is it's not an office job? 00:06:47 Speaker 4: Well, it's in case I need to do my taxes suddenly, you know, I have a flat surface. The benefits to the desk, I'll tell you a couple of benefits of the desk. One of them is it gives you a place to like hold up an album or a photograph or whatever. And and it has to be very still when that happens because the camera is shooting it from like thirty feet away, So that is good. And then also sometimes you can hide props that you want to reveal. I can't really do if there's no desk. I also feel a little bit weird about, like I'm not sure how to sit sometimes, you know, Like I like high I like only having a third of a body. It's almost like being a muppet or something. So that's nice. So there definitely are some advantages to and also like my desk card with like my questions, my notes that I've written down, I don't have those, So what are you doing? 00:07:40 Speaker 1: Then? Uh? 00:07:41 Speaker 4: You know, the truth is I know it all. I have it in my head. It's just it's a little bit of a security blanket to have it there. But if there's something really specific that I need to read, like what time something is on, or you know, a list of names or something, it's it's not as convenient. 00:07:58 Speaker 2: Well, I feel like you get a little magazine rack to hold things, you get an easel to put them on. Yeah, you know, maybe a little like a little garden wall behind you to hide various props. 00:08:09 Speaker 4: That could be nice. 00:08:10 Speaker 2: I don't know, as someone who never knows what to do with my hands, that would be to be able to just put them on a desk. I would need that so I don't know what you're doing that would pull me off. The energy of the show would completely change, you know, as. 00:08:25 Speaker 4: A master at with as far as TV hosts, as far as the hands go is Tom bergeron I don't know if you've ever noticed how much he adjusts the cuffs on his his shirt sleeves. He will He's got a thing where he comes back from commercial I'd always noticed this when he was on Dancing with the Stars, that. 00:08:45 Speaker 2: He was always kind of fixing his sleeves. Well, that's something to do. You've got to find some business to do. 00:08:50 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think he invented it really nobody else does. 00:08:54 Speaker 2: I mean, what else are you going to do? Check your watch or put your hand? 00:08:57 Speaker 4: You could check your watch, but that it seems like you want to leave, like you're ready to go, and that's not really a great message. 00:09:02 Speaker 2: For the viewers, right. What else have you been doing in quarantine? I mean, what is your day to day when you're not working? 00:09:08 Speaker 4: Well, you know my macro may I'm pretty focused on that. 00:09:11 Speaker 2: Well, you've been sending out those in the mail, and I've appreciated them. 00:09:15 Speaker 4: Yes, it's all owls, which I think I'm trying to figure out a new animal. But I've been you know, I'm working and then I have two little kids and they're crazy and they run around. Basically, I come home from work, they attack me at the door while I still have my backpack on, you know, I topple over and then we entertain them and vice versa for about two and a half three hours, try to get them to sleep, get them to sleep. I usually fall asleep, actually I fall asleep with my son, and my wife fall asleep with my with our daughter every single night, and then about an hour and ten minutes later, we wake up and I do homework for about three hours. It's great. Yeah. 00:09:56 Speaker 2: Do you feel like your kids have noticed different major difference in life from the pandemic or is it? 00:10:02 Speaker 4: Yeah? 00:10:02 Speaker 2: I do. 00:10:03 Speaker 4: I think they're going to be you know, like if I leave the house even for a minute, it's like, well, where are you going? What's you know, what's going on? Especially when we went we first went back to work. They didn't understand it at all because every day's like every day for them was like, oh, this is how it is. Dad and mom are home. And then it's like, well it's not Saturday or Sunday, it's Monday. Now we have to go to work. And you know, it's you hate to disappoint them, but I do explain that that we have to go to work. 00:10:34 Speaker 2: Right this is my dog. My dog is dealing with similar issues. 00:10:38 Speaker 4: You have conversations. 00:10:40 Speaker 2: You I sit her down and I try to explain to her, if you want to keep living here, I'm going to have to make money. I can't have you eating the house plants while I'm gone, this kind of thing, and she doesn't understand. Yeah, it's you know, the problem is growing exponentially and we'll just have to deal with it at some point. 00:10:58 Speaker 4: And you know what, the dog, I think will get Yeah, and the kids, all three of these creatures will get used to it when they have to. Right. 00:11:08 Speaker 2: Have you traveled at all during this Yes? I took an RV trip to Idaho. That's right. Wait did you was this your first time driving an RV? 00:11:17 Speaker 4: Yes? It was. 00:11:18 Speaker 2: What what did that feel like? That feels like such a giant jump. It goes from fun to absolutely terrifying. Like there was a stretch where I decided, you know what, instead of stopping, we're gonna I'm gonna go through the night and. 00:11:33 Speaker 4: We're going to power our way from Utah to Idaho. But then it was three o'clock in the morning, and my wife and two little kids are conked out in the back, you know, and they're you know, for them, they're just dreaming, they're enjoying themselves. And for me, I was guzzling coffee my just imagining. The thing that kept me awake was imagining a big ball of fire and my whole family in it, going through terrible situations like well, you know, how would I want this to turn out? Would I want to make sure I hope I die with them because other you know, how will I handle this nightmare that I've created, and that kept me awake. But I couldn't help but be resentful as I was the only one awake in driving. 00:12:20 Speaker 2: I think drinking too much coffee late at night, We'll do that to you. Yeah, and driving a five thousand pound vehicle just resenting everyone in it. Did Mollie drive the RV at all? No? No, no, she did not sign up for driving. How fast does an RV go? Are you going like freeway speeds? This feels so dangerous to me? 00:12:43 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, you can go fast. And then but when it gets windy is when it starts getting a little shaky, because you can really feel it, right, And we even drove by it was it wasn't necessarily an RV. It was a camper like that was trailing vehicle and the camper those are the ones that are dangerous, I've learned, because when they are attached to the vehicle, there's a much greater chance that the camper is going to flip over and flip the vehicle along with it. 00:13:11 Speaker 2: God, just the vehicular chaos you've imagined over the last year. 00:13:17 Speaker 4: So we're all lucky to be alive. 00:13:19 Speaker 2: Did you stop any I mean you left la in this thing. Where was your first stop? Was it in like southern Utah or what? 00:13:26 Speaker 4: Yes, it was, we stopped it. There's this great campsite near It's spelled Hurricane, but they call it hur Hurrican, you know that. Right, of course, we stopped at that camp site and that was great. We stayed in the tent and saw all the stars and all of that stuff and it's lovely covered with dirt, and we loaded ourselves back up. And then on my way up to this is what really got us off track is I decided that on our drive up to Utah, I knew one person. I know one person who lives in Salt Lake City, and it's Ty Burrell from Modern Fans, right. He owns a bar there, Yeah, and he lives there. That's where he lives. So I decided I had his address. We were going to stop at his house and knock on the door, just with no no heads up, nothing. So we did and he was quite a way off the freeway, which you know, takes a while on the RV. And we get off the freeway and we get to his house and I'm not gonna do nobody's else. Now I've and I'm laughing the whole time. This is gonna be so funny. I'm knocking this door. And then we get there and I decide, Okay, here's what we're gonna do, and my wife take a picture. I'm just sitting on the steps in front of his front door, and then we're going to text it to him and see what happened. And you know, a lot of pranks that take a lot of effort, is easy to be disappointed by the people's reaction because he's like, oh my god, what are you doing? Intel? Oh, one of those even what am I doing it? I'm in front of your house. 00:15:05 Speaker 2: I drove an rvy. 00:15:07 Speaker 4: I've never been to salag City before. It's my first time. I'm sitting in front of your house. 00:15:13 Speaker 2: Was he completely out of town? 00:15:14 Speaker 4: He was complete, he was in La Oh. 00:15:17 Speaker 2: For me to just drop by a friend's house here is a huge hassle. 00:15:20 Speaker 4: I would only do it as a prank. I would only do it to intentionally make them uncomfortable. 00:15:25 Speaker 2: I feel like you're very committed to a prank. It's something I admire, and that also makes me really uncomfortable. I'm someone who is not good at pranks or good at receiving a prank. 00:15:35 Speaker 4: I love them. I you know, I was thinking about it today because when we're taking this is April fools Day, and I was thinking, you know, what am I going to do? And you know, should I do anything? It's just like, you know, like if you're a real drunk, you don't get hammered on New Year's Eve. 00:15:48 Speaker 2: You know, that's kind of me on April fools Day. But I do like doing stuff. 00:15:53 Speaker 4: And I bought my kids some rubber dog shit. We invested in, uh war pieces of rubber dogshit, and I brought them home and I showed them to my daughter who's six, and boy, I've never seen anybody laugh harder than she was laughing while we were setting them on the toilets around the house. We just put them on the seat and then just in front of the toilet or whatever and waiting for you know, Grandma and Aunt Kelly to find these things. 00:16:23 Speaker 2: And she was dying laughing. I mean, she was laughing so hard that it made me laugh so hard. 00:16:29 Speaker 4: And I don't know that I've ever laughed more from five dollars worth of anything, never mind brown rubber. 00:16:35 Speaker 2: That it's incredible. I had a friend text meybe. About an hour ago, he said, you better check out your Instagram stories. They're full of porn. I think you got hacked, and my heart sank. I was like, oh my god, what's happening. I can't handle these things. And of course it wasn't. It was a prank. And you know I'm not. I'm nervous enough as is. I'm unsettled all the time. I don't need more pranks in my life. 00:17:01 Speaker 4: Since there are certain people I won't pull pranks on because it upsets them too much. Everybody I could go through, like if you and I went through a list of everyone we know mutually, which is probably one hundred and fifty people, right right right, I could tell you whether or not I would pull a prank on each one of those people, and maybe to what degree. 00:17:19 Speaker 2: I feel like even old coworkers, the writers at your show, I could probably tell you that person certainly doesn't like to be pranked. That person, yeah, that kind of thing. 00:17:28 Speaker 4: Yeah, whether they like it or not is not necessarily part of my criteria. 00:17:36 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I like scaring people. I like jumping out of places, and I get that from my dad, and no one ever likes that and no. My boyfriend Jim had to finally beg me, you have to promise you'll never do this again. And I couldn't understand, like why would I stop doing this? But it was genuinely scaring. I love it too, and my mom would do it a lot. 00:18:03 Speaker 4: And my mother would, you know, like grab my dad's ankle in the shower and that kind of stuff, and it is so fun. I mean, you know, there are certain people around my house, but my wife gets so mad when I scare her. I can't scare her anymore because sometimes I scare her accidentally, So I have to make a lot of noise now when I go into the bathroom when I come home from work, because when she's bathing the children, you know, because they react, they're like hey, and she screams. Some people are just jumpy, right, Those are the ones who are really fun to scare. 00:18:34 Speaker 2: Right, And I think the thing those people need to understand is it's one of the rare feelings that you don't get in any other situation. To get your heart racing and you're afraid for a moment and then you're safe enjoy that for a minute. That's not a pick of a deal. 00:18:48 Speaker 4: That's one way of looking at it. Yeah, I think you know what a really great prank is, and this is if you are somebody like your boyfriend who gets scared a lot. Is if you can have you can have wherewithal to keep this in your brain. The moment you do get prank is pretend to die of a heart attack, and then it all turns right back around. 00:19:12 Speaker 2: This is all adding up. I do have cholesterol at the high end of normal. So I think that I'm just building a story here and eventually I will be dead on the floor for a few minutes and see what happens. Jimmy, I mean speaking of all of this kind of thing and surprising people and you know, not obeying people's wishes, that kind of thing. Look, this podcast is it has a very clear title. I said no gifts, and a few weeks ago, excuse me, I just. 00:19:43 Speaker 4: Feel like it'd be rude to not bring a gift. You know. 00:19:46 Speaker 2: Look, look I reached out to you. I thought Jimmy could probably use a little exposure. Maybe you'd be on my podcast and we just have a nice chat. This is my former boss. I have a deep respect for this person. We'll have a good time and then move on with our lives. You agreed to be on the podcast. I was very happy, and I believe it was yesterday. I opened the door and there's a box waiting for me. 00:20:13 Speaker 4: I know, I know, I know, but you know I just wanted to get you a little something. 00:20:19 Speaker 2: Okay, well, I mean, do you think I should open it here on the show? I can wait till later. 00:20:24 Speaker 4: Okay, now I think you should open it. I'd love to get your reaction to it's kind of a wrap beautifully. 00:20:30 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's truly a beautiful wrapping job. It's kind of a Is this a Gingham? Is that what we're calling this? 00:20:36 Speaker 4: I believe it is. Yes, I believe it is. Yeah, maybe linens that look like that. Yes, it's flew a Gingham pattern, wrapped by my assistant Kelly. Because I am the worst rapper of gifts, I. 00:20:49 Speaker 2: Would need that absolutely best you in that footage of me wrapping a gift would be the saddest footage ever recorded. 00:20:57 Speaker 4: I can't even figure it out. I cannot never it's either way too much or three eighths of an inch too little. I'll always have a hole that I have to then cut out another square of paper. And tape over the hole. 00:21:11 Speaker 2: Or there's a giant like soft bunch of it at the end. Oh yeah, it makes no sense to me. I finally, just I've tried. I've really given at my all. I've looked at YouTube tutorials. It doesn't work for me. I think it's I'm not trying. I am trying. 00:21:27 Speaker 4: I even thought i'd be smart and start wrapping things in aluminum foil. That doesn't work at all. There's any kind of a any kind of a sharp edge forget about it. 00:21:36 Speaker 2: Right, and aluminum foil tears so easily. Yeah, but let's open this up. Let's see what's happening here. 00:21:42 Speaker 4: Open it up. This is something. It makes me think of you, and in fact, it makes me think of when I hired you, kind of why I hired you. 00:21:53 Speaker 2: Oh fantastic. 00:21:54 Speaker 4: I can't wait to see this. Okay, Oh, this. 00:21:59 Speaker 2: Is very well wrapped. Some people might go too far. I'll just say it is. 00:22:04 Speaker 4: I might have to use my teeth hair even Yeah, you know, Oh, my kids are yelling at me. Hey kids, I'm doing a podcast, been yelling, come out, come out. 00:22:17 Speaker 2: I hope everything's okay. 00:22:19 Speaker 4: Okay, hold on, because you may get to witness a prank here, so uh, don't look in your box. 00:22:24 Speaker 2: Okay, I have not seen what's inside the box yet. 00:22:27 Speaker 4: What's going on here? Oh? Thank you? 00:22:31 Speaker 2: You made this for me? 00:22:33 Speaker 4: Okay, thank you? All right. It turns out to be an Easter egg? 00:22:40 Speaker 2: Is that or a painted Easter egg? 00:22:42 Speaker 4: It's a painted Easter egg? And she says to Dad from Jane, I made this for you, love Jane. 00:22:47 Speaker 2: Oh that's so sweet. 00:22:49 Speaker 4: All right, sorry about that. 00:22:50 Speaker 2: I don't apologize. All right, let's open this up. I'd like to get the tissue here, yep, tissue, the whole deal. Oh, this is incredible. This is a deep cut. This is a real cut. You've given me a volleyball, which that's right. I mean, you can explain or I'm to explain. Well, I have to have some conversation about this. 00:23:21 Speaker 4: You know, I always thought your Twitter was very funny, but for whatever reason, what stuck with me most was when you talk about your volleyball team and that you were suing them and that you're disappointing with them, and things are not good with my volleyball team. You tweeted a lot about your volleyball team, but you space them out, as I recall it'd be like three months no mention of the volleyball team and then something, you know, like, you know, praying for the strength to forgive my volleyball team. 00:23:50 Speaker 2: I that's very true. I did that for an extremely long time. It basically ended in twenty sixteen when the world started on fire and Twitter also kind of started on fire, and I was like, I don't think people want to hear about my volleyball. I don't think they even want to see me tweeting anymore. You know what, I think it's volleyball time again, and now you have a volleyball hopefully it will inspire you to tweet more about your team. I've stopped tweeting. Twitter is not a fun place to be anymore. It's just it's truly just opening the gates of hell. Every time you get on it. You're, of course the world. A lot of horrible things are happening in the world. I just I need to be able to control when I see those things. I can't have just the banshees flying out at me at all times. Yeah, I like the big I think the strike well, strike a thousand I suppose was last January. There was a moment when truly every person on Twitter was saying We're entering World War three. Get ready for it, it's this week, and I was convinced. I was like, oh, I mean, most of these people are smarter than me, they probably read more news than me. It's world War three. And then of course that didn't come true, and so that was kind of the last one of the final straws for me. I was just like, I can't my brain cannot handle this website anymore. It's not enjoyable, and it just feels like you're telling jokes at a funeral all the time. It's just a little miserable. And it's also the way to go is to only have outgoing Twitter. That would be nice only when you. 00:25:23 Speaker 4: Put the jokes out, but you never see any feedback to anything. Or I mean, you could do that if you really wanted to, but I guess kind of part of the fun of putting a joke out there is seeing if people press that little heart button. 00:25:35 Speaker 2: Right, there's the weird addiction issue that kind of goes into it. There are just all kinds of things. But I loved volleyball. I mean Twitter. I started it as basically I thought, you know, I want to be a writer. This is my I don't know anyone in this business. I'll write jokes. I know how to do this, or I'll learn how to do it. And I did it for a long time, so it caused me a great deal of anxiety. But the volleyball team was something I would I knew I would always joy doing. I think there's a lot of drama here. There's a very clear goal of what's going on, and I can do it once a week, I can do it once a month or whatever. Also, volleyball is the sport that scares me the most. 00:26:13 Speaker 4: Is it? 00:26:13 Speaker 2: Yes, it's because I think largely because my older brother was always throwing things at me as a kid, and so there's like a real built in flinch mechanism in my brain, even more than like dodgeball, Oh what, far more than dodgeball for some reason, I think because dodgeball the goal is to run away from the ball, and so you have you know, you have the excuse to get away from the ball. But in volleyball, if you're running away from the ball, you're fucked. 00:26:40 Speaker 4: So you're saying you have no use for this gift that I've given. 00:26:44 Speaker 2: I absolutely have a use for it. I get to cherish it. I have this thing that I tweeted about for years has now manifested itself in physical form. Yes, this is like the secret. This is like what Oprah was talking about. This is exactly the books. Everything you do it tweet about it long enough and you will get a volleyball. No, I mean, I mean that said Twitter for me, as you well know. I mean, I don't know if I've ever told you this story. Like I tweeted for years and years and I moved to La in twenty ten, and I had been here for four years with no luck getting a writing job. I had a couple like close calls that didn't work out, and in twenty fourteen June, I was like, okay, well I'm not going to write anymore. I mean, like, I have no money this I really don't know anybody that's gonna be able to get me a job. And Twitter, I had had some you know whatever success on it, but nothing had come of it. So I started looking up social media jobs in Utah. I was like, it's over, and my friend Matt Ingabretzen was like, just hang on a little bit longer. And a month later my friend. It was eleven o'clock at night and I had just tweeted something that I had enjoyed, and a friend texted me and said, I'm going to Krispy Kreme, which is in Burbank. Do you want to go for a ride. So it's like, I didn't look at my phone the entire way, and we'd get to Chrispy Kreme and I take it out, take the phone out, and I've received a direct message from Jimmy Kimmel and about passed away. And you said you had been reading my tweets and that you enjoyed them, and I was. I was so glad at that moment to be with a friend, because had I not been, I would have spent twelve hours thinking how do you respond to this, I'm going to ruin another, you know, my last opportunity. And he's like, just be a normal person, just say thank you. And so that's what I did, which is, you know, whatever I would have come up with certainly would have ruined my chances at getting this job. And then over about the course of am of course, the next day I was flying to Utah and so I was like, oh, any chance of a job coming up is now ruined. I'm going to be in Utah for three weeks. But for the next month, I every time I tweeted, I was sweating because you said you wanted to meet and about possibly for a job, and so I was like, well, every time I tweet, I may ruin my chance at getting this job. And we also did have a lot of communication, so every time I tweet, it was like, oh, well, I haven't heard from Jimmy in two weeks. I guess the hope is Hope has died, and who knows what will happen. But then I finally came and I met you at your office and you hired me, which and then I went into my car and cried, and then, I mean, you truly just turned my entire life around. It was such a wild moment for me. And weirdly, that was kind of the last time you and I spoke, just had a conversation, because then you became my boss. And then my next fear set in, which is, now this man's going. 00:29:41 Speaker 4: To fire me. 00:29:43 Speaker 2: So I was just afraid of you for a year and a half. And I mean, it was a wonderful job and I had such a great time, but every night I would go to bed and think, I hope I have at least one joke he likes tomorrow or career is dead. 00:29:57 Speaker 4: Well, you know, I'm pretty I'm pretty loose when it comes to that sort of thing, Like you can go through a pretty long dry spell and I won't say anything about it because I get it, And you know what, I think that's a not that we're necessarily looking for lessons, but it's interesting because people think it's People think that you become successful because of a moment, and if you really if you don't really analyze it, you may go like, oh, well that was the moment, Bridget that I happened. Jimmy Kimmel saw his tweet and then he contacted him and he hired him. But the truth is, you've been working on this every single day for years and doing it and doing it and doing it and doing it over and over again. I see funny tweets all the time, but I won't necessarily reach out to somebody unless I see a pattern of them, because anybody can write something funny once. And I probably was tracking you for six months. When I reached out to you. 00:30:56 Speaker 2: I think you had been because I remember you when you fall. Of course, I remember when you fall me, and I was like, well, I mean that adds a little bit of anxiety, but then you kind of forget about it and keep like there's like two weeks Jimmy Kimmel's followed me. I better be good. Then you don't hear from him, and so it's just like, okay, well he probably muted me, and now I'm free again. But then it all worked out. It never occurred to me to mute anybody. 00:31:17 Speaker 4: I think if I follow somebody, that's like, uh, you know that that means I'm interested. 00:31:22 Speaker 2: Oh well, it's it's occurred to me hundreds of times to mute people. 00:31:27 Speaker 4: It's weird to be in a position where people are over analyzing what you might think for me anyway, because you know, I've certainly been on the other end of that, and and I never really think of myself that way. I have to like stop and kind of go through, you know, go okay, oh yeah, well all right, that makes sense. Yeah. The guys, you know, looking for a job, and that's you know, that's what I did when I was trying to get the attention of like my local radio DJ who I would call it and try to be funny and they're like, yeah, that's funny, and then you know, you go to you never even get the hotline number. You have to keep calling the request line over and over again to try to get through and make the guy laugh and hopefully meet him at a at an appearance at a wet and wild water park or something. 00:32:14 Speaker 2: But that, I mean that worked. I mean that worked out for you. I mean I'm curious, like, because you've started in radio and now that podcasting is this enormous thing, do you have any interest in podcasting? 00:32:25 Speaker 4: I enjoy I loved being on the radio. You know, it's basically this is the same as the radio, although there's a lot less pressure when you're doing a podcast than when you're doing a radio show, where you know, you have a boss and you have ratings every month and you have all of this and sponsors to deal with and all this kind of stuff. It's definitely different and it was much harder to get in. Like I feel like if there had been podcasts when I was starting out, I could have maybe gone more quickly, because just getting on the air is two years of hanging around the radio station. You're barely ever on and then you know, some might call it a stroke of luck, but really it was just like your situation where I was just I came up a little funny ideas for this dish jockey, you know, over a course of years, like a couple of times a week, and then finally he got an opportunity where he could hire me, and he hired me. And it wasn't a matter of like being funny one time, or making a tape or you know, acing a job interview or something. It was just a matter of like laying a ton of groundwork. Sure, and really, like you know, being it's not even about it's not about being an A plus once or twice. It's it's about being like a B minus like a thousand times in a row. 00:33:46 Speaker 2: You know, everybody appreciates a B minus. A B minus is pretty good, right, that's beyond, way beyond passing. 00:33:54 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:33:56 Speaker 2: Now, something else I've been wanting to talk to you about is cooking, because you're I mean, you're cooking up a storm. I mean, as of the last couple of days even you're now just boasting about how good you are at making pizza. Cigarette Have you been cooking your entire adult life like this? Or is it like a recent interest. 00:34:16 Speaker 4: I started cooking when I was twenty. I actually I started when I was a teenager, but I was cooking things like hot dogs. But I put a lot of effort into and I still do. When I make a hot dog is like I used to eat three hot dogs for lunch almost every day, which explained my physique. 00:34:34 Speaker 2: What were you putting on the hot dogs? 00:34:36 Speaker 4: Golden's mustard and sauer kraut. And the way I did it was I cooked the hot dogs in a dry pan so I could kind of burn the outside the skin in the same way you get like a Nathan's in New York. And then I would throw the the sour kraut into the pan with the hot dogs to then steam them. I put the funds over top of everything so that the steam from the sour crowd steam the buns a little bit, and then I go crazy with the mustard, and from there, you know, I did morning radio. My first real paying job was in Seattle and my partner Kent Voss, this guy I worked with. We lived together and I was married. I got married when I was twenty as well, so my wife at the time had a regular job, so she got home from work at five point thirty and Kent and I got off work at ten am. So oftentimes i'd come home, i'd make lunch for the two of us, and then I had, you know, four hours of the day where I would make lunch, make dinner, and my wife would come home and we'd have dinner. And I just started doing it over and over again, and I got interested in it. 00:35:40 Speaker 2: And do you, I mean, are you cooking multiple times a week? 00:35:44 Speaker 4: Oh? Yes, I cook, you know. I cook for the kids most of their meals, and I cook for my wife. Yeah, I do. I do almost all the cooking in the house. 00:35:54 Speaker 2: And does this happen after work? 00:35:56 Speaker 3: I don't. 00:35:56 Speaker 2: What is your Your schedule to me is out of control? 00:35:59 Speaker 4: Breakfast, dinner, that's there's a lunch, of course we're at work for. But yeah, I'll usually make breakfast, and sometimes I sometimes I'll make waffles or pancakes or. 00:36:10 Speaker 2: Shaped pancakes that feel good. 00:36:12 Speaker 4: Yes, sometimes they get crazy and I'll make like I'll make like a breakfast taco of some kind. But and then I'll come home and if my wife is hungry, I'll make dinner. Otherwise I try not try not to eat dinner. 00:36:24 Speaker 2: Do you have any interest in opening a restaurant or anything like that. 00:36:28 Speaker 4: Well, I do have, you know, I I have investments in restaurants and with some of my friends, but not you know, that's really hard work. I don't think people realize how hard restaurant workers. I mean that is you are on your feet, really working. I think I'm just too old for that. 00:36:43 Speaker 2: Sure, sure, Where do you like to eat in LA. 00:36:48 Speaker 4: I like to eat? I'd say the restaurants that I eat at most are apl which is on Hollywood and Vine, which is a barbecue place and steakhouse. And Connie and Ted's, which is a seafood place. Wonderful, wonderful cheeseburger on Crescent Heights. And they do have a very good cheeseburger. Yeah. I know that because my daughter will order that, eat none of it and I eat all the rest of it. 00:37:13 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really one of the best in town. 00:37:15 Speaker 4: I think the best thing they have, I think is everything they make is great. But they have a Rhode Island style clam chowder. 00:37:24 Speaker 2: I've never had clam chowder. 00:37:26 Speaker 4: Oh, well, clam chowder if you like clams, I mean I love clams like Linguinian clams is mit is my death row meal. But the clam chowder, you know, typically it's either Manhattan or New England style, so it's either that creamy white clam chowder or it's the red brothy. But this is more of a seafood. It's almost like it looks like a chicken broth, and give these little crackers to put in it, and it's got clams and they're cooked just beautifully. They're not overcooked and very good. 00:38:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, my only exposure to clam chowder has been the white clam chowder, which I never ate. It just seemed kind of like a glue consistency with canned clams, which it's a hard sell. But I feel like a good clam chowder I could probably get into. 00:38:15 Speaker 4: I don't know. I want to get the Rhode Island style clam chowder. Connoting Ted's yeah. 00:38:20 Speaker 2: Okay, well, look I think we should play a game. Okay, do you want to play a game called gift or a curse or a game called Gift Master. 00:38:28 Speaker 4: Gift, a curse, Gift or a curse. 00:38:30 Speaker 2: Okay, give me a number between one and ten six. Okay, I have to do some light calculating, so right now, you can promote something, you can recommend something, you can sing a song that won't be a copyright issue. You can do whatever you want. I'll be right back. 00:38:46 Speaker 4: Okay, since we're talking about cooking, I will talk about tortillas, because tortillas are you know, they're all pretty good. But they have these tortillas now that most people probably know about. But if you don't, you're going to go crazy and be so thankful to me for this. They're raw, they're dough, they're they're I think like a company called Tortilla Land, and there's some other company that sells them. And you put them in the frying pan and you cook them and then you have fresh tortillas. They actually they create these big like air bubbles like a great pizza, you know, and then they are a little burn marks on them. Have you had these? 00:39:24 Speaker 2: I mean, you were speaking to me on such an incredible level. I think on this podcast probably multiple times, I've complained about a factory made tortilla because I think it's a factory made tortilla is one of the biggest crimes that's being perpetrated right now. I get these ones at this place in downtown La called it's called Loki and they sell you like a dozen for six dollars or something, and they're likely half made and so great. You heat them up and they taste so much better. 00:39:52 Speaker 4: They're par cooked. 00:39:54 Speaker 2: Tried making some tortilla's early pen Park. It's extremely difficult. 00:39:58 Speaker 4: Dark. Yes, you know, Clito are leader. You know's been my friend since I was nine years old. His mom has tried to teach me how to make tortillas, and I just I don't know. I can't get it. 00:40:09 Speaker 2: They're hard to roll out, They're either too thick or too thin. And I ripped Crisco. How do you spill lowkey by the way, l o q ui? 00:40:19 Speaker 4: I believe? 00:40:20 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, very good tacos and then you can buy the tortillas. One of the you know, benefits of the pandemic is these places now selling the things that you couldn't buy before, and tortillas are one of them. 00:40:31 Speaker 4: Oh nice. 00:40:32 Speaker 2: But look, we're gonna play gift or a curse. This is how it works. I'm gonna name three things, and you're gonna tell me if there are a gift or a curse and why. Okay, and I have to be extremely clear there are correct answers. There are objectively correct answers, and so you can lose this game. Okay, so first up, this is a listener suggestion, gift or a curse demolition derbys, and that's from let's give some credit to Katie m hm. 00:41:00 Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to say gift, not because I would want to go to one, right, but because if someone tells me they go to demolition derby. 00:41:11 Speaker 2: So that's kind of all I need to know. I don't have to do any more prying investigator, I don't. I don't need to know anything more. I just know that we're probably not going to hang out. Oh okay, Jimmy, Well look you got the first one, right. I think they're absolutely a gift. And this is what I'm going to say, which may come at some level of surprise. I mean, I've probably been to a demolition derby, but the concept to me wonderful. You get to go to a place and watch cars just slam into each other. Sure, I'm on board with that. It's so the opposite of how we behave all the rest of the time. Oh, you put a ding in my car, give me your insurance information, you know, like I gotta buff this out. 00:41:56 Speaker 4: I doing everything. Oh, I scratched the side of the goddamn truck. And you go to this thing and people are intentionally driving them into each other. 00:42:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something very thrilling about it. 00:42:05 Speaker 4: I feel like I've now unfairly judged those who go to. 00:42:08 Speaker 2: Those Thank you. I think an apology is due to me and to the rest of the demolition derby audience. I guess the noise factor. I'm not a big noise person, so that part. If I could go to a silent demolition derby, that would really be a key thing for me. 00:42:23 Speaker 4: I don't mind the noise, it's the smell the feet. 00:42:28 Speaker 2: Well, how about like a Tesla demolition Derby. 00:42:31 Speaker 4: I feel like that would be nice. 00:42:32 Speaker 2: I could put that out in the air somebody, some billionaire. 00:42:36 Speaker 4: To go to a preus demolition derby. You know, in fact, my daughter has a car that could qualify it. It's like, you know, it's it's a pres I bought her in high school and she still has if she's thirty, and we could crash that thing up pretty good. 00:42:53 Speaker 2: The Katie Kimmel Demolition Derby. I think that's a great idea. Okay, you've got one so far. Number two This may be an all listeners suggestion gifter a curse, so this could be interesting. This is from someone named JAF. I don't know what that means. Giftter a curse. Cinnamon toothpaste. Okay, first of all, this is Jimmy Fallon who set this in. I know what Jam's saying. Yeah, cinnimon toothpaste. I'm gonna say, curse why. I don't think toothpaste should taste like food. I think it's confusing to the mouth. 00:43:26 Speaker 4: I have my kids have chocolate toothpaste, which is truly vile. It's like, I don't know, you're you know, you're supposed to be cleaning that out of there, not putting it in. And once you start eating that kind of toothpaste, which you know, I'm a coldgate man myself. 00:43:40 Speaker 2: Oh interesting. 00:43:41 Speaker 4: Once you really go for the food based toothpaste, I don't know that there's any coming. 00:43:46 Speaker 2: Back right right look for you know, for a little bit of tension's sake. I would love to say that you're wrong here, but I'm also I feel like cinnamon toothpaste sounds so terrible. Also, don't I don't need the toothpaste encouraging me to swallow it should be encouraging you to spit out. 00:44:05 Speaker 4: Yeah, I exactly. 00:44:07 Speaker 2: I mean we have a whole trend of things going on where things taste like other things, you know, yogurt tasting like a peanut butter sandwich. Let's just have let's keep everything in its separate category, is what I'm thinking. 00:44:19 Speaker 4: I agree, But I will say that cinnamon toothpicks I am very interesting. 00:44:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like a mint or a cinnamon toothpick. I like a toothpick in general. To be honest, me too. 00:44:30 Speaker 4: I like the guys who carry him around, you know, like you know, the guys that carry flavored toothpicks around or like always like, even if they're not your uncle, you feel like they are. 00:44:41 Speaker 2: That guy is always a pervert. That's just a sign of a true pervert. I mean, as one of the least cool people on the planet, I still with a toothpick in my mouth. It elevates you a little bit. You feel kind of like a tough guy for a minute. And there's somewhere. 00:44:56 Speaker 4: Between the tough guy and Huckleberry Finn right right. 00:44:59 Speaker 2: If you get a cinnamon there, that's just a bonus. Okay, you're doing very well. I hope you know, no one. I don't know that anyone's ever won this game. So let's let's see what happens here. A final one. This is from a listener named Aaron. This is a gift or a curse Frozen grapes as quote unquote healthy candy. 00:45:19 Speaker 4: No, that's a curse. Yeah, that's just sad. I mean that's you know, that's where you've hit rock bottom when you're you're going through your Weight Watchers cards and you know, that's where you're like, you're getting some like sugar free ice cream and pouring diet strawberry soda over top of it. And I mean it's really deserved. It's just like it's something it's like a It's like something my ant Frand would have done in like nineteen eighty one. 00:45:47 Speaker 2: Jimmy, what a wonderful little defense you've come up with here. But unfortunately, I think that despite the fact that I've never had one, a frozen grape as a healthy candy is absolutely a gift. I mean, what are we even talking about. You're getting a nice little piece of fruit. I imagine it's cold. You know, more than five people I know have tried them, so there must be something happening there. 00:46:13 Speaker 4: And yeah, tried them is the key word though, right, It's not like a lifestyle, it's something you go, eh, yeah, I tried it. I think about think about getting on like a Mexican airline. Okay, you know that the little fruit salad that comes with it. 00:46:33 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:46:34 Speaker 4: Yeah. There's always grapes that have been previously frozen, and there's nothing good about them. And to me, when I think of frozen grapes, I'm comparing them to grapes, which are which I am very in favor of. I mean, grapes are delicious, a nice cold grape, but once it reaches, once it gets grows beneath that temperature which it freezes, I'm not in favor. 00:46:55 Speaker 2: There is a worry there for me texturally. But that said, just to keep things balanced on this game, I'm just going to not let you win. I feel like I had. 00:47:06 Speaker 4: To get all three. I put to of three wins. 00:47:09 Speaker 2: No, two out of three does not win. Two out of three is a sixty six percent. And I mean, you're round. This is not a show that rounds. You do not round up on I said, no gifts, but very good job. Anyway, let's answer this is called I said no questions. People are writing into I said no gifts at gmail dot com. They're desperate for answers. Would you help me answer a question? 00:47:32 Speaker 4: Sure? 00:47:32 Speaker 2: Okay, this says let's see here. This is got a good start. Hello. My father's wife is a terrible woman. She truly dislikes my siblings and I. Passive aggressor should be her middle name. Okay, one year she gave us the movie Pay It Forward on VHS. That's an interesting detail. Please know that there is more than enough money for my father and her to want for nothing. Okay, so we're dealing with a wealthy woman. Now, as an adult, I get to keep my distance from these toxic people, and I've let go of trying so hard to be the bigger person. My question is, what do you give a garbage person of a stepmother and father that basically acts like a distant uncle. Sincerely, Jade. Now this is interesting because it just seems like Jade despises these stupieople just. 00:48:20 Speaker 4: Want to get something off his chest or her chest. 00:48:22 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:48:25 Speaker 4: Yes, there's not even like indicate what holiday it is? I mean, was is it a birthday? Is it Christmas? Is an anniversary? What are we talking about here? 00:48:35 Speaker 2: I feel like Jade knows that the stepmom and dad listened to this podcast and just wanted it to be out there for them to hear how much he or she hates them. 00:48:44 Speaker 4: I will say I'm glad. I think it's healthy that Jade didn't limit the blame to the stepmother, because I am always of the opinion that if you marry someone who treats your children badly, your children obviously from a previous marriage, that that reflects on you more than it does on the person who comes into the family. 00:49:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're there to protect the kids. 00:49:08 Speaker 4: Yeah, they're your children. You should be closer to them than you are to your spouse. 00:49:12 Speaker 2: Right, I mean it's just a tragic situation. I mean the fact that this person's writing in this podcast. All that said, what do you get a gift for someone that you don't like? 00:49:22 Speaker 4: Pay it Forward on VHS? 00:49:23 Speaker 2: I guess, how about upgrade to laser disc? I feel like, pay it Forward on laser disc or a poster? 00:49:31 Speaker 4: What year did pay It Forward come out? 00:49:33 Speaker 2: Pay It Forward to me feels like a two thousand and two movie. 00:49:36 Speaker 4: Okay, so in two thousand and two there were no VHS tape. 00:49:41 Speaker 2: That was like the last breadth of VHS was probably two thousand and one. 00:49:46 Speaker 4: Okay, it came out October twentieth, two thousand. 00:49:49 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm two years off. I lose the. 00:49:51 Speaker 4: Game, so yes, and so it is available on VHS. So this is not a lie that this person made up. But I'm in two thousand, no one had VHS players. In fact, we were moving away from DVDs at that point into the Blu ray world, right. 00:50:08 Speaker 2: I think that was two thousand to me is like did you get the Matrix on DVD? I think that was the big exciting thing to say around that period. So I think that we were just headed into DVD territory. So VHS was not an exciting gift to get at that point. It was something you would buy used at a blockbuster. 00:50:24 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, it was definitely not a new item, and if it was, it was in the discount beIN. Yeah, ninety seven, DVDs really came out. 00:50:34 Speaker 2: So this is well into the death of the VHS. The stepmother, and also I feel like giving somebody pay it forward as a gift is kind of a It is a passive aggressive move saying I mean the concept. 00:50:47 Speaker 4: I think. 00:50:47 Speaker 2: I remember if the movie is I mean literally the title you do nice things. 00:50:50 Speaker 4: For people, I think, yeah, somebody does something nice for you and then you have to go and do something nice for someone else. So maybe the gift is two third party who's not in You can say, hey, listen, I watch that movie Paid Forward. You gave me thanks again for that. That was wonderful. What I did is I bought a VHS of Easy Money and I gave it to some asshole in my apartment complex. 00:51:16 Speaker 2: I mean, Jade has just I mean, I feel like, you know, usually I'm ready to recommend things. I feel like the gift Jade gives Stepmom and Dad is lose their number. I think it's just time to cut them off completely. 00:51:29 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well it sounds like she already has. 00:51:32 Speaker 2: Or maybe this, you know, this is rock bottom for their relationship and this brings them back together. Maybe she's she hears her words echoed back to her and calls them up and they watch finally get together and watch Pay It Forward. 00:51:46 Speaker 4: Or maybe she really wants to fuck with her give her a great gift that will blow her mind and confuse her to no end, you know, like a really beautiful bracelet or something like that, and she's just like, what the what I must have misjudged this stepdaughter completely. 00:52:05 Speaker 2: If there's ever been an opportunity for these to give a gift or to give a car with a giant bow on top, I think this is. 00:52:12 Speaker 4: The this is the time. 00:52:13 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the you know, the Lexus sales event of the season or whatever. Go buy it, put a giant. 00:52:19 Speaker 4: Bow on top. My cousin Ivy did that to my daughter Katie when she turned like seventeen. She'd rented a car she was in an accident, or rented like a truck or something. And then it was Katie's birthday party and she pulled up into the driveway in this truck, and then she decided to be funny to go in the house and say like, hey, Katie, look, look, And Katie was very excited and then realized that it was not her car. And I don't think Katie's ever forgiven him. 00:52:47 Speaker 2: I don't blame her at all. That's so mean. Oh that's heartbreaking. 00:52:53 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's bad. 00:52:55 Speaker 2: Oh okay, Well, you know we tried our best here. That's all anybody can ask of this podcast is that everyone tried that's. 00:53:01 Speaker 4: All iyone can ask of anything, right. 00:53:04 Speaker 2: Right, Jimmy, this is the end of the show. 00:53:08 Speaker 4: I mean, oh what should I do? Then? Look? 00:53:11 Speaker 2: I struggle every time to end the po because. 00:53:13 Speaker 4: The dismount is hard. Yeah, the dismount is hard. People don't realize that's the underrated moment of the interview. It's it's kind of you know, sometimes it's a little slow getting into it, but you know, an introduction always helps wrap that. 00:53:26 Speaker 2: You know what a plug is a nice way to get out is that. I'm looking for a point, but we should give you a plug. Jimmy has a little show on I believe it airs on ABC every once in a while. 00:53:38 Speaker 4: Plug Loki again. I mean, we don't need sure, but it gives you some information to talk about. 00:53:43 Speaker 2: We can plug your daughter Katie Kimmel. I've I've plugged her on this podcast before. I think that she's great. Her things make a great gift. She makes some amazing ceramic items. 00:53:53 Speaker 4: And very concess she makes funny uh ceramics and T shirts and paintings and she's at Katie Kimmel k A T I E. Kimmel on Instagram. 00:54:04 Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for being here. It's been just a delight and. 00:54:08 Speaker 4: It was my pleasure. I'm glad I got a chance to talk to you for a second time. Yeah, we talked more times than that, by the way, right. 00:54:16 Speaker 2: We probably did, but I'm telling you every time, I mean, there's just a layer of when somebody is the authority in the situation, it's very You're like, I can't say anything wrong right now, and that you not that you ever even showed signs of like it's not like you're this wild dictator that was just firing people left and right. But in my mind, I was like, if I move an inch. 00:54:37 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. Did I fire anyone during the time the whole time you were. 00:54:40 Speaker 2: There, Not that I know of, But that's why I was like, well then it's going to be me. I'm most likely candidate, so I don't know God perfectly. Well, well, it's very nice talking to you. Yes, thank you so much for this volleyball. It's going to go do some sort of mantle and it will never be tossed in the air, at least not at me. 00:55:02 Speaker 4: And give my best to your team. 00:55:03 Speaker 2: No, of course, of course, listener, this is the end of the show. As we've been discussing for a few minutes. So now you have to decide what you'll do next in life, and I trust you. I think you're going to do a great job. Take care, I said, No Gifts is an exactly right production. It's engineered by our dear friend on Alise Nelson and the theme song is by miracle worker Amy Mann. You must follow the show on Instagram at I said No Gifts, that's where you're going to see pictures of all these wonderful gifts I'm getting. Listen and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Stitcher or wherever you found me, and why not leave a review while you're there. It's really the least you could do. And if you're interested in advertising on the show, go to midroll dot com slash ads. 00:55:52 Speaker 3: Line man, did you hear Funa man? Myself perfectly clear? Mhm. But you're a guess to my home. You gotta come to me empty and. 00:56:09 Speaker 1: I said, no guests, your presences, presents and. 00:56:15 Speaker 3: I already had too much stuff, So how do you dare to surbey me?