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Speaker 1: Warning, this podcast contains spoilers from Doctor Strange and the

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Speaker 1: The Multiverse Mask, go watch it. Come back. This podcast

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Speaker 1: Go watch the movie first, then come back.

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Speaker 2: Hello.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jason Sebia, and welcome to x ray Vision,

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Speaker 1: the Crooked podcast, where we dived deep to your favorite shows, movies, comics,

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Speaker 1: and pop culture on today's episode. On previously on, we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about the news of the week, including

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Speaker 1: the Avatar Wave of Water teaser trailer, TLDR pores It's

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Speaker 1: all about the poores, the Novi pores of the skincare routine,

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Speaker 1: the new Miss Marvel teaser, including Kevin Faigey's recent comments

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Speaker 1: about tweaks to Miss Marvel's powers. And then we will

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Speaker 1: celebrate the lives and works of two iconic comics creators,

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Speaker 1: Neil Adams and George Perez, who passed away recently. In

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Speaker 1: the airlock, we will be answering all of your questions

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Speaker 1: about Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness in the

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Speaker 1: Hive Mind, Oh folks, Big interview with Michael Waldron, the

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Speaker 1: writer of Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness, and

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Speaker 1: of course I'm ready writer of many other things including Community,

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Speaker 1: Rick and Morty and many many others joining me down

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Speaker 1: to talk about all of that stuff. Is the great,

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Speaker 1: know about comics, A fan A Return to Oz, among

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Speaker 1: many other weird movies, Forward Tied, Goth, Rosie Night, Rosie.

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Speaker 1: How are you so?

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Speaker 1: Was what was the what was like the soundtrack?

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Speaker 1: and what a time that must have been. Okay, are

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Speaker 1: here with the t Zone of the Novvey, the beautiful,

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Speaker 1: and the Avatar Way of Water teaser trailer released by

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Speaker 1: James Cameron. That's right, we got him out of the seas.

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Speaker 1: For the where has James Cameron been for the last

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Speaker 1: We brought him to the surface so that he could

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Speaker 1: create for you people, the sequel to Avatar, released in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and nine. That's right, two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. What you think of this too? Yeah? Just

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Speaker 1: about the Avatar film franchise, owner of the top grossing

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Speaker 1: and you would not be able to tell him why.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. In the comics, the ia Agamato is actually like

435
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 3: lives inside the Amulet, and so the timestone in the original,

436
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 3: like Infinity Saga, essentially replaced the notion of the I

437
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 3: being a separate entity. But as the spoiler alert, as

438
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 3: the movie of Doctor Strange and Multiverse Madness ends, see

439
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 3: Doctor Strange with the Eye on his head which seems

440
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 3: to come from the Dark Hold, but that also links

441
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 3: back to the Iya of Agamato, and sometimes people who

442
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Speaker 3: hold it, like the Sorcerer Supreme, they can manifest it

443
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Speaker 3: as a third Eye. So there's lots of cool, weird magic.

444
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 3: But I'm so so glad Jess asked this question because

445
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 3: I think this is one of the biggest questions that

446
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 3: MCU people have had since the endgame Infinity War stuff

447
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 3: like why would he still work? Now you know the

448
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 3: Iaagamato is still powerful, still doing some magical stuff.

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Speaker 1: I love that Dan asks something Jason said in an

450
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: episode raised a question for me in the cafe scene

451
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: early on, when Steven and America and Wong are first meeting,

452
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Speaker 1: how did Stephen remember that they had recently had a

453
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Speaker 1: multiverse scare regarding Spider Man. Isn't nobody supposed to be

454
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Speaker 1: able to remember that or even that Spider Man exists? Sorry,

455
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Speaker 1: if this is a supid question, that's a great question.

456
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Speaker 3: That's a great question, not a stupid question. I think

457
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Speaker 3: that is going to be. If there is one question

458
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Speaker 3: most people have coming out of it, it is going

459
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Speaker 3: to be about that scene that to some people may

460
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Speaker 3: have seemed throwaway. So this is a great question, Dan, this.

461
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Speaker 1: Is a great question. So how it should work? The spell?

462
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: You know, if it's based at all on One More Day,

463
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: one of the most controversial story arcs in Spider Man history. Right,

464
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Speaker 1: But if it's anything like the spell that was cast

465
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Speaker 1: in that story arc, So if like you got went

466
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Speaker 1: on your phone and saw a picture of Peter Parker

467
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: and you hanging out like at a party, would that

468
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: spark the realization that you are friends with Peter Parker?

469
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Speaker 5: Know?

470
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Speaker 1: What would happen is you'd look at the picture and

471
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Speaker 1: be like, huh, this is really boring. I'm not interested

472
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: in this boring picture, and I'm moving on, and then

473
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: you would flip to the next picture and you forget

474
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Speaker 1: about it. So Peter Parker is the kind of is

475
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: the important part of this question, Dan, because it's not

476
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: that people forget about Spider Man, they forget that Peter

477
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: Parker is Spider Man. Is that correct?

478
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 5: Right?

479
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's correct. And also something that I find really

480
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 3: interesting that this question sparks off that I really want

481
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Speaker 3: to know is like Doo and Stephen remember that they

482
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: helped Spider Man fight a multiversal scare or do they

483
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 3: just remember that Spider Man was involved with one in

484
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 3: New York so they know about the multiverse? Like how

485
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 3: deep did the layers of the spell go? That's what

486
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 3: I want to know. I think that I don't think

487
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 3: it's the stupid question. I think it's actually like one

488
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 3: of the most interesting kind of throwaway notions where it's like,

489
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 3: what's that going to lead to? Like because everyone thought

490
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 3: maybe Wong remembered that Peter was Spider Man because he

491
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 3: was in karmatage she was going through a portal, But

492
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 3: it seems like from this they kind of generally remember

493
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 3: Spider Man exists, they know something multiverse will happen, but

494
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 3: we don't know if they were, if they remember being

495
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 3: involved in it, because it was very heavily related to

496
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Speaker 3: the notion of Peter Parker and many Peter Parker's.

497
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Speaker 1: So my guess is they remember that they were helping

498
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Speaker 1: Spider Man with something, and if Wong of course remembers

499
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,959
Speaker 1: that whatever it was, Stephen fucked it up in a

500
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: really bad way. But my guess is if the spell

501
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Speaker 1: again works anything like it like it does in the comics,

502
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: that they would just never They would just not at

503
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: all be They would have no curiosity about what exactly

504
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,239
Speaker 1: they were doing with Spider They would just be like, oh,

505
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: I remember that thing that we did with Spider Man, Stephen,

506
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: you really fucked that up. Yeah, And they would just

507
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: never the question of, hey, what were we doing what

508
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 1: was specifically that adventure about would just never come up,

509
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: and certainly anything related to the Peter Parker of noess

510
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: of it all would just be gone.

511
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Speaker 3: That I think actually answers a really interesting question about

512
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 3: something we've been thinking about, like, why wasn't this multiversal

513
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 3: collapse connected to the other one? Well, you wouldn't have

514
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 3: really been able to explain how everyone knew it. So

515
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 3: that's actually really smart. Thank you, Dad, you made me

516
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 3: have a revelation. Corey asks, my name is Corey. Day

517
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 3: one listener. Friday the thirteenth is my birthday. Happy birthday

518
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 3: and the perfect day for a doctor strange male. But

519
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 3: like episode, Corey is about to ask one of my

520
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 3: favorite questions. My question is, with six one six being

521
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 3: designated in the MCU as our Infinity Saga universe, how

522
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: do we rectify that with the MCU already being a

523
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 3: separate universe in the comics known as Earth one nine nine.

524
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Speaker 1: This is something that keeps me up at night.

525
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Speaker 3: Legitimately, no, no, no, truly, truly.

526
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Speaker 1: Truly, how especially with six one six being officially codified

527
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: in this movie. I mean, Rosie, where do you land

528
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: on this? Because I'm not sure I feel like this

529
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: is We're gonna reccon this as well. I think it happened.

530
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Speaker 3: I think so we're on the surface. It makes a

531
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Speaker 3: lot of sense. We have actually used in the show

532
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 3: as a shorthand six one six for main timeline in

533
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 3: the movies, but making it canon makes it very confusing

534
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Speaker 3: because the whole point of these universes is that an

535
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 3: animated film, a movie, a comic, each one is its

536
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 3: own separate universe within the greatest span of the multiverse.

537
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 3: So for me, this sits uncomfortably, and I think there

538
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 3: is a likelihood, as you said, that this would get

539
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 3: reckconned or it would be revealed that the eight three

540
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 3: eight universe is not as it seems, because that is

541
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 3: just one person's idea of a designation, and it's a

542
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 3: really good easter egg for comic book fans. But I

543
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 3: believe that we will go back to Earth one nine

544
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 3: nine nine nine, or it will be an ongoing conversation

545
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 3: because the kind of original multiverses of like DC Universe,

546
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 3: which has been doing it for longer, and that notion

547
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Speaker 3: of being able to have all the different things that exist,

548
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 3: the Timber and Batman universe, the comic books, yes, the Elseworld,

549
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: comic books, everything that is part of what makes the

550
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Speaker 3: multiverse special. So I would be surprised if it was

551
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 3: anything more than just the shorthand that we're using here.

552
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 3: And at some point we'll get to have another conversation

553
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 3: about it, because it's one of the most beloved things

554
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: for people to still talk about.

555
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Speaker 1: Here's the other thing, could it be that this doesn't

556
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: make it any I want to hear it, Okay, it

557
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: could it be that, you know, like when you look

558
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: at a crayon box and you're like, man, does the

559
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: color blue look the same to me as it does

560
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: to you? Maybe it's the case that whatever universe, you know,

561
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: whatever heroes are fighting, whatever adventure in the broader MCU multiverse,

562
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: they all consider themselves six one six, and therefore the

563
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: numbering system is altered in that way because to them

564
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: they are the main universe.

565
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that if you're using if we are

566
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 3: going to say that six one six translates as main

567
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 3: Marvel universe, which is what is in the comics here,

568
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 3: a main Marvel cinematic universe, you could argue that, like

569
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 3: almost every universe would see itself that way. And the

570
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 3: only reason that Christine doesn't designate herself that way is

571
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 3: because she's a scientist, so she sees it scientifically. But yeah,

572
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 3: I don't think this is the last we will hear

573
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 3: of the designations, especially with the times incursion and kind

574
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 3: of these hints a great to multiversal crisis coming.

575
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Speaker 1: But again, Corey, I think I think they're just going

576
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: to wreckon this at some point probably Next question, Alan asks,

577
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: one was that brief animated part of the multiverse hopping

578
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: the Spider Verse? And two is a diehard Sleepwalker fan.

579
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: I was disappointed they didn't explore more of nightmare and

580
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: the mindscape. Same here. Listened to our episode a couple

581
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: of episodes back where we very heavily predicted that would

582
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: mean the villain. We were wrong about that, but that's fine.

583
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Speaker 1: Do you think the nightmare illusions give hope of seeing

584
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: that in the future? And then three, can you talk

585
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: more about strange Academy that your referenced in the pod? Sure?

586
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 5: Do.

587
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: Let's take these sequentially, Rosie. Do we think that that

588
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: was the Spider Verse?

589
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 3: I do believe that one of the moments when they're

590
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 3: helping through we go through the spid to Noir world.

591
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 3: I am would I would stake a claim that I

592
00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: think it's right.

593
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: I feel the same, I feel the same exact way

594
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: the black and white world.

595
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 3: I think a little bit rotoscope, little bit thicker lines

596
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 3: look looked like we could have seen Nick Cage's Spider

597
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 3: no while going through that. Very cool?

598
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: Then do we think we see a nightmare somehow in

599
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: the MCU in the future. I actually think we do.

600
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: And I think, uh, just the fact that we are

601
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: talking about the dream dimension and the way that people

602
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: access a different plane of reality when they sleep. Uh,

603
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: that is that's nightmares realm essentially. There now there is

604
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: a dream dimension that is like good dreams, and then

605
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: of course nightmares realm uh specifically deals with nightmares. But

606
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: I would I would bet that we see him. He's

607
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: a major strange antagonist. Is a is a uh is

608
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: a a major and super scary villain. As as we've said,

609
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: we've we've kind of like alluded to of the way

610
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: nightmares dimension works. And another thing is like we're running

611
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: through villains here, Rosie, At what point and this is

612
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Speaker 1: like a broader question, I've been thinking about who's the

613
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: first villain that comes back? Right, you know, because we're

614
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: defeating a lot of these and you know, one of

615
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: the un any comics reader will tell you one of

616
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Speaker 1: the big like oh shit moments in comics is when

617
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Speaker 1: the big reveal happens on the last page and you

618
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: realize like like, oh my god, it's dark Side or

619
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Speaker 1: oh my god, it is ultron like and and here

620
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Speaker 1: comes this major villain coming back. Do we do we think.

621
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Speaker 1: Do we think we see a villain come back again

622
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Speaker 1: in the MCU to fight our friends?

623
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Speaker 3: Yes, I one hundred percent. Look, this is the reality. Okay,

624
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 3: you know, Alan, I will say as also Sleepwalker fan,

625
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 3: I think you are right. I think Nightmare is gonna

626
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 3: come into it. I also think they took a lot

627
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 3: from Sleepwalker in this movie. They did Mindscape stuff is

628
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 3: basically like this dream world, like between the dream world

629
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Speaker 3: and the astral plane. That's basically the dream walking is

630
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 3: almost like sleepwalking. Also pretty sure that who America was

631
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 3: fighting at the beginning was Cobweb. So don't worry, it's

632
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 3: gonna happen now, Jason, Yes, I think Thanos is coming back.

633
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 3: That it just makes so in the comics, Fantaseno's a

634
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 3: real thing, like I thinks alternate. So one of the

635
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 3: best things that Jim Styling, creator of Thanos absolute icon

636
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 3: love him. One of the things that he has installed

637
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 3: in the Thanos canon is that every version there's like

638
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 3: millions of Thanos clones in the comic books, Like there's

639
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 3: all these different versions. If a different creator did something

640
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 3: that Jim didn't like with Thanos, he'd be like, eah,

641
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 3: that was a clone that wasn't the real Thanos, so

642
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 3: there's lots of different ways. Also in the comics, Thanos

643
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 3: is deeply connected to death Thanos gets resurrected. I think

644
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 3: we could see a resurrected version of Thanos. I think

645
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 3: that with James Gunn and Guardians of the Galaxy three

646
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 3: coming soon that is going to have Adam Warlock. They

647
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 3: announced the casting that is confirmed. Adam Warlock is so

648
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 3: deeply connected to Thanos, and I think we could see

649
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Speaker 3: a version where Thanos is more of an ally or

650
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Speaker 3: an anti hero, and we could be dealing with an

651
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Speaker 3: evil kind of Magus and Adam Warlock split. And also,

652
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Speaker 3: as scary as it is, we're going to be five

653
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Speaker 3: years away from endgame very soon, and then it would

654
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Speaker 3: only be a couple of years to wear seven years away,

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Speaker 3: and I wouldn't be surprised. I think what if was

656
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Speaker 3: a really cool think tank for different ideas, And I

657
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Speaker 3: think I love the T'charlotte episode, and I love the

658
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Speaker 3: notion of him being this great, powerful force of good

659
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Speaker 3: who could even turn Thanos good, you know, But I

660
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Speaker 3: also think it was kind of teasing the notion of

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Speaker 3: a Thanos who is more of a heel turned sometimes

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Speaker 3: good sometimes bad force in the MCU and I I

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Speaker 3: don't think I think that if one villain comes back.

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Speaker 3: Oh also Dormamu with the end of Doctor Strange too.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know, because that clear is his niece

666
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Speaker 3: and that's who we see Doctor Strange leave with at

667
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Speaker 3: the end. But that would be less of a big

668
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Speaker 3: surprise and more of kind of like, oh, there's that

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Speaker 3: floating cosmic doom head. But Thanos, I think if you

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Speaker 3: did an echo of the Avengers stinger, you know, if

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Speaker 3: you if you do those echoes of like those big

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Speaker 3: moments that make people scream in the theater, if you

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Speaker 3: had that again with a Thanos stinger, I think people

674
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Speaker 3: especially because they never really did that there, well they

675
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Speaker 3: didn't do it at all. They hinted it in an

676
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Speaker 3: endgame and made me scream and it wasn't death. It

677
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Speaker 3: was red Skull in a clock. But I think that

678
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Speaker 3: there's a lot to delve into there. If Thanos has

679
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Speaker 3: this love lost, desperate kind of romantic he's obsessed with.

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Speaker 1: Death, here's who I think is coming back. Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: ready kind of in a very similar way to you.

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Speaker 1: I think Ultron comes back, and I think Ultron beamed

683
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Speaker 1: his brain his like, you know, because he's not the body.

684
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Speaker 3: He's not he's the consciousness.

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Speaker 1: He's the consciousness, right. I think he beamed his consciousness

686
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Speaker 1: just like out outside of Earth, out into space, hoping

687
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Speaker 1: to find some other like AI space computer, deep in space.

688
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Speaker 1: And I think he found it. And this is you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm basing this off of Annihilation Conquest, one of from

690
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: my money, Annihilation and Annihilation Conquests that really relaunched the

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Speaker 1: Guardians of the Galaxy as currently constituted in Marvel Comics.

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Speaker 1: I think those two crossover events are two of the

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Speaker 1: best things that Marvel has ever done, and Ultron is

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Speaker 1: the major villain of one of them. He has been

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Speaker 1: beamed out into space. He creates all these versions, like

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Speaker 1: you know, like fearsome, destructive robots created in his image,

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Speaker 1: and he sends out this annihilation wave to just basically

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Speaker 1: destroy everything. And I think that there's a world in

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Speaker 1: which Ultron has done that in the MC and he's

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Speaker 1: out there somewhere.

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Speaker 3: I agree. And also I think there's two things in

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Speaker 3: Doctor Strange that make that seem very very relevant, which

703
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Speaker 3: is there is an annihilation name drop they say it

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Speaker 3: in the same way they drop incursion and we saw

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Speaker 3: an ultrom bot that worked, So I don't think those

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Speaker 3: two things are disconnected. I think that's very small.

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Speaker 1: It's good. And then finally, can you talk more about

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Speaker 1: Strange Academy, which we were referenced in the pod? Sure? So,

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Speaker 1: Strange Academy is a Marvel Comics title creative team Scott A.

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Speaker 1: Young and her Romberto Ramos. It launched in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: and it is It's Marvel Comics hogwarts, Stephen Strange and

712
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Speaker 1: some of the most powerful magic users in the Marvel

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Speaker 1: universe get together. They found this school that Strange then runs,

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Speaker 1: and we meet a lot of wonderful young students, you know,

715
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Speaker 1: Dormamu's son, a Frost Giant, various others, and we get

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Speaker 1: to watch them on their magical journey in a school setting.

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Speaker 1: It's just like a super super super fun book. And

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Speaker 1: I just with America Shava is now at Comartage learning

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Speaker 1: to be a sorcerer. It. You know, it feels like

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Speaker 1: we've got the first student for the Strange Academy if

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Speaker 1: they ever decide to do it. And it's just like

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Speaker 1: it's an easy win for a Disney Plus show if

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Speaker 1: they ever launched.

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Speaker 3: That, and the art is so good and it's like

725
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Speaker 3: set in New Orleans, so it has this kind of

726
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Speaker 3: folkloric like space to the idea of magic and like

727
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Speaker 3: the history of magic in the area, and it is

728
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Speaker 3: just very fun and I hope that And they just

729
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Speaker 3: bring in so many cool magic characters, like even like

730
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Speaker 3: Nico from the Runaways and like man Thing, who I love. Like,

731
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Speaker 3: there's just a lot of there's a lot of cool

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Speaker 3: nods and notions of like what a magic character can be.

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Speaker 3: And in a way that's just so relevant right now

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Speaker 3: in the MCU because we're talking so much about who

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Speaker 3: these different magic characters are, how do their powers work,

736
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Speaker 3: Where do we find more of them? Are they born?

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Speaker 3: Are they taught? So yeah, that's that's a really great pick.

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Speaker 3: Next question, Angela te on Twitter asks do you think

739
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Speaker 3: the ending of this movie makes it impossible for Wonder's

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Speaker 3: twins to become young Avengers slash teenagers? Ooh, Jason, I

741
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Speaker 3: know you have some thoughts on this.

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Speaker 1: I think it makes it incredibly possible. I think what's

743
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Speaker 1: going to happen is we're going to go open a

744
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Speaker 1: portal to one of the many, many, many universes apparently

745
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Speaker 1: where Wanda gave birth to Billy and Tommy, and we're

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Speaker 1: going to bring those kids to six one six, and

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Speaker 1: they are going to become wickened speed of the Young Avengers. Like,

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Speaker 1: just the fact that they're out there in the rest

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Speaker 1: of the multiverse, it makes it even more possible.

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Speaker 3: What do you think, Yeah, I think so totally. I

751
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Speaker 3: also think they've established like a tragic mother storyline if

752
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Speaker 3: they wanted to use the ones from the eight three eight.

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Speaker 3: I also think that the notion of them existing in

754
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Speaker 3: the multiverse and this kind of cosmic journey we're going

755
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Speaker 3: on in the MCU at the moment means we could

756
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Speaker 3: even see something where we meet Hulkling in Secret Invasion

757
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Speaker 3: and which is a scroll story Hulkling as a scroll

758
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Speaker 3: and we even maybe met Billy there instead, do you know,

759
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Speaker 3: I mean, and we kind of meet these different versions

760
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Speaker 3: of them. We could even have more than one. But

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Speaker 3: I agree with you that we're in a space where

762
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Speaker 3: the ending actually makes them even more likely to be

763
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Speaker 3: playing a major part in the future of the MCU.

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Speaker 1: My good friend Liz asks, what's the difference between a

765
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Speaker 1: sorcerer and a witch? Do you have to be born

766
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Speaker 1: a witch? Is Lokia Witch? How does that work? She

767
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Speaker 1: also asks how many tvas are there? And sub question

768
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Speaker 1: is the quantum realm its own universe or our universe? Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's take these in order. Okay, do you want to

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Speaker 1: take the sorcerer vers whitch thing first?

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Speaker 3: Okay? I think this is like one of the most

772
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Speaker 3: everyone's just asked such great questions. First of all, thank you,

773
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Speaker 3: you're really asking the vital questions. And Liz, I think

774
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Speaker 3: this is one of the most important questions in the MCU.

775
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Speaker 3: In the comics, this is very malleable. But I think

776
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Speaker 3: in the MCU they have essentially shown us quite explicitly

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Speaker 3: that you have to be born a witch or you

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Speaker 3: learn to be a sorcerer. So I do think that

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Speaker 3: would mean Loki is technically a witch in the MCU,

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Speaker 3: but Loki is also technically a god. So then you

781
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Speaker 3: end up in that situation where what's the difference between

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Speaker 3: a god and a witch. I think the answer there

783
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Speaker 3: would probably be a god is born from a deity

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Speaker 3: who has powers and that's why they inherit them, whereas

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Speaker 3: someone like Wonder, as far as we know in the

786
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Speaker 3: MCU now was born to two humans. And her powers

787
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Speaker 3: manifested like a mutant in a moment of fear, and

788
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Speaker 3: then she became she had her powers, and she was

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Speaker 3: officially a witch. And Agatha in WandaVision kind of speaks

790
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Speaker 3: to this when she talks about there being communities of

791
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Speaker 3: witches who train and who recognize those who are born.

792
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Speaker 3: So I think in the MCU it is as lists

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Speaker 3: stated that you are born a witch or you can

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Speaker 3: learn to be a sorcerer like Stephen Strange.

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Speaker 1: Now in the comics, I forget where she says this,

796
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Speaker 1: but Agatha arc And I said, I think in the

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Speaker 1: I want to say it's in the Scarlet Witch Solar series.

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Speaker 1: She says something like, wherever in the universe there is life,

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Speaker 1: there's witches and magic. So I think that one of

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Speaker 1: the ways we can think about this is there's different

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Speaker 1: sources of magic in Marvel comics, like there is for

802
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Speaker 1: Iron Fist, there's chi. You know. Of course, the as

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Speaker 1: Guardians have their own version of magic, which is basically

804
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Speaker 1: like as Guardian technology. There's chaos magic, which is what

805
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: Wanda taps into the in Marvel comics, the Odin Force,

806
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: which is like Odin's own energies that become magic. There

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Speaker 1: is necromancy, the magic of blood magic kind of a

808
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: more evil magic, and I think that it thinking about

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Speaker 1: magic that way, I'm guessing that MCU witchcraft and the

810
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Speaker 1: MCU version of whiches is just like natural magic that

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Speaker 1: is derived from life from whereas sorcery is like interdimensional

812
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: magic and magic derived from the like the Vashanty and

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Speaker 1: these of a notable magical like magical deities.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I thought it was really interesting in Multiverse

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Speaker 3: of Madness where they say runes mean witchcraft. That's how

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Speaker 3: we know it because sorcerers use spells and spell casting,

817
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Speaker 3: but witches carve runs. So I think the more we

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Speaker 3: go into it, the more this kind of notion of

819
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Speaker 3: different types of magic is going to grow use. So

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Speaker 3: this is really controversial and probably not true at all,

821
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Speaker 3: but you just said something that made me wonder, like,

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Speaker 3: do you think.

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Speaker 4: There's a world where basically the MCU's first wave of

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Speaker 4: mutants are just seen as witches like they have people

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Speaker 4: just think they have Scarlet Witch's power and they're actually

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Speaker 4: just witches rather than mutants.

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Speaker 3: And then we learn more because it seems like their

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Speaker 3: version of magic is very similar to the comic book

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Speaker 3: version of mutants.

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Speaker 1: That would be a really fun way to do it,

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Speaker 1: and it brings with it the thing that we've talked

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Speaker 1: about which is important when you're going to introduce the

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Speaker 1: X one, which is you need that society needs to

834
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Speaker 1: hate and fear these figures, and that would bring in

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Speaker 1: that would be a really cool way to do it. Okay,

836
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Speaker 1: then Liz asks and these are very this is like,

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Speaker 1: this is an important question. Let's take the last part

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Speaker 1: of it first. How many tvas are there? So this

839
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Speaker 1: is unclear, but let me just say in the comics,

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Speaker 1: the TVA is infinitely large because think about it as

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Speaker 1: the tvas were dealing with all these different timelines and

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Speaker 1: all these different realities. And in the offices of the TVA,

843
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 1: there's an office that deals with every single reality, right,

844
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Speaker 1: so there's one that deals with six one six, there's

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Speaker 1: one of the devils at six one seven. And because

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Speaker 1: there are an infinite number of realities, the office space

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Speaker 1: required by the TVA is infinitely large. So I suspect

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Speaker 1: that it works that way, where the TVA is just

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Speaker 1: like this massively infinitely large place that deals with the

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Speaker 1: infinitely large multiverse. It may not be the case of course,

851
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Speaker 1: at the end of Loki, we saw that there was

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Speaker 1: a statue of He Who Remains there in the TVA annex,

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Speaker 1: leading us to believe that he had somehow changed the timeline,

854
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Speaker 1: so that Kang He who Remains, is now you know,

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Speaker 1: like the ruler of the Tva, that he changed something.

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Speaker 1: How do you think it works, Rosie, I think you're right.

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Speaker 3: When I first watched the final episode of Loki and

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Speaker 3: that stinger, I assumed that it meant he was in

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Speaker 3: a different universes version of the TVA. But I don't

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Speaker 3: think that's the case. I think that you are right.

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Speaker 3: The one thing that the TVA in Loki adapted so

862
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 3: well from the comic books, it is a boring bureaucracy.

863
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 3: It is like officies. So basically all you have to

864
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 3: imagine is each multiverse has its like boring office block

865
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 3: that deals with that multiverse. So I think you're right.

866
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 3: I think there is a in the comics, it's the

867
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 3: three kind of people who lead it. In this they

868
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 3: implied that and then we learn it was He Who Remains.

869
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 3: I think there is a singular office that is in

870
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 3: charge of all of the multiverse. Each multiverse or branch

871
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 3: of the TVA, but they are technically one branch now here.

872
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: Here is how I can explain the the Kang statue

873
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: essentially at the end of Loki, so he remains end

874
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: Kang are the same person, just like Immortis is also

875
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: a version of Kang, just as Rama Tut is also

876
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: a version of Kang. So he who remains at the

877
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 1: end of Loki was kind of like the best version

878
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 1: of like the most chill version of And he talks

879
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: about this like I was bloodthirsty, I'd fought a million wars.

880
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: But so he who remains was the most calm, most reliable,

881
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: and most peaceable version of a very very violent character

882
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: that it evolved over multiple, multiple, multiple timelines, and because

883
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: of the events of Loki, it flipped. Instead of He

884
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: who Remains being in charge of the TVA, it was

885
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: the less evolved, more violent, more warlike version of himself Kang.

886
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: So really it's actually the same per.

887
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 3: You're just different, all right. Yeah, And it also could

888
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 3: be like a before time, it could be an aftertime.

889
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 3: The real thing that I think clued us in was

890
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 3: like maybe they there was things that people didn't know.

891
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 3: They could have had their minds wipe. There's all kind

892
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 3: of men in Black answers that could have occurred. But

893
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 3: I think you're right. That's basically what if Kang the

894
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 3: Conqueror ran the TVA instead of he who remains?

895
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: And then finally, the quantum realm, which we are going

896
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: to see in uh in ant Man Quantum ant Man

897
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: in the Worst Quantum Mania. Is the quantum realm also

898
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: known as the micro verse in Marvel comics. Is it

899
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: its own universe or a part of our universe? I

900
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: think it's pretty clearly like a separate universe that you

901
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 1: can get to just by shrinking.

902
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like it's like the instead of a portal

903
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 3: into it, the portal is shrinking so small that you

904
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 3: become you know, quantum sized or whatever they would call

905
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 3: it in ant Man. And the notion is like it

906
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 3: is its own singular dimension, that is right, And that's

907
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 3: why time moves differently there. That's why people can survive

908
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 3: there for a certain amount of time or other people can't,

909
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 3: or things grow very large, all these different kind of things,

910
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 3: and some things are tiny. I think it's its own

911
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 3: universe or dimension. But I also think it's a really

912
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 3: clever and interesting question because I think this is where

913
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 3: the notion of like multiverse and different universes versus dimensions

914
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 3: becomes confusing, like the quantum realm and then the negative zone,

915
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 3: which is a key Fantastic Four location, those of both

916
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 3: works more as dimensions than singular universes that run alongside.

917
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 3: So I think when we get more and we will

918
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 3: probably get very into that definition in at Man and

919
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 3: the West Quantumania, so I think we're safe to say

920
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 3: it's separate, and I'll be interested to see the route

921
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 3: that they go with it, because with Kang playing a

922
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 3: major role in that movie and the Quantum rom existing,

923
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 3: that could definitely be a space to potentially introduce or

924
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 3: tease the Fantastic Four in a more concrete way than

925
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 3: the Multibasse of Badness did for.

926
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: Any Marvel unlimited people or people who have access to

927
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: back issues. Hulk One, by Harlan Ellison and Roy Thomas

928
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: as writers, with the Great Herb Trimp as a councilor,

929
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: is a great and very influential Hulk adventure in which

930
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: he is shrunk down and discovers this kingdom inside the

931
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: microverse and then falls in love with one of Hulk's

932
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: great loves ever, Durella, a very important figure there in

933
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: the microverse. It's a really fun adventure from the Bronze

934
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: era of kindness, Silver, from the Silver age of comics. Yeah,

935
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: it's like nineteen seventy one.

936
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very controversial. Silver, Bronze, silver, bronze.

937
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: Silver, the silver and or bronze.

938
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 3: Era of depending on your belief system.

939
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right.

940
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 3: So this was from my DMS and Christian asked what

941
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 3: Kang comics should I read to understand the multiverse? Away, Yes,

942
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 3: I have three. I have three? Now will these help

943
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 3: you understand the multiverse? The multiverse is a many splendid,

944
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 3: strange thing. But these are good Kang story arcs that

945
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 3: will be useful to you. So the first one is

946
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 3: Avengers two sixty seven to two sixty nine, Roger stern

947
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 3: At writing obviously, John Bischmer breakdowns, Tom Palmer finishes. Howard

948
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 3: Mackie was the editor on that one, and Mark runenworld

949
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 3: as well, who we know is like a really big

950
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 3: part of low Ki and the stuff that we saw

951
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 3: that this is the arc that introduces the notion of

952
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 3: many Kangs and the Council of Capra.

953
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: Important specific, super super important stuff. So if you'll see

954
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: a lot of Rick and Morty kind of elements in this.

955
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: You'll see a lot of Council of Reads, Yes, fantastic

956
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: four elements that were started right here.

957
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 3: And if you're if you're a fan of Rick and Morty,

958
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 3: you know Mike, you will hear in our chat with

959
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 3: Michael Wardron, the writer of Maltivus of Madness. Rick and

960
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 3: Morty was a big comic book room, and this is

961
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 3: one of the comic books that was most influential, so like,

962
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 3: and something really really fun about it is you get

963
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 3: multiple versions of the heroes, you get multiple versions of Kang.

964
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 3: This is also a Monica Rambo era Avengers. So there's

965
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 3: just a lot here that seems like it's going to

966
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 3: be very important nay more and Yeah, it's really fun.

967
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 3: And the Council of Kang's, as Jason said, is like

968
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 3: when you read it, you'll be like, oh, like, I see,

969
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 3: this is where this comes from. This is where that

970
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 3: comes from. Yes one that I'm gonna reference here, which

971
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 3: is very relevant because of Loki. And it's also just

972
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 3: really fun. Mark Greenwell back again he's the writer this time.

973
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 3: Pencils by Mike Gastavich, Inca, budl. Rosa colorist Christmathias Letterer,

974
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 3: Steve Doutro. What is the comic called? It is called

975
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 3: Avengers the Terminatrix Objective. Now, this is really fun, and

976
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 3: I think this is from nineteen ninety three. It's incredibly nineties.

977
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 3: And I think the reason that people will be more

978
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 3: interested in this comic right now is it's about Ravona Renslayer,

979
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 3: who we met in Loki, and it is a story

980
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 3: where she takes on the esthetic and persona of Kang

981
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 3: and it is like very very cool and weird, and

982
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 3: it is an extremely strange and extreme nineties comic. But

983
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 3: I do think it's actually something that they're really looking

984
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 3: to at this moment in time, Like this was a

985
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 3: book that definitely was read in that Loki writer's room.

986
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 3: And also the art is just really cool and weird.

987
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 3: Ravona is really cool.

988
00:55:58,719 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 2: Ni.

989
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: This was a absolutely bizarre time for comics and a.

990
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 3: Lot of the art is unique, very unique, and this

991
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 3: stuff is like if you want to talk about characters

992
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 3: who are in there now, this is like a story

993
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 3: that stars alternate versions of the Avengers. Right, so you

994
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 3: have thunder Strike Thor, which is very interesting because the

995
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 3: current new Thor movie Thor Love and Thunder looks like

996
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 3: it's going to really take from that era aesthetically. You

997
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 3: have US Agent who we met recently, and you have

998
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 3: war Machine who's going to be coming up in Armor Wars.

999
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 3: So there are things here that are that feel relevant

1000
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 3: and also like, if you just want to out and

1001
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,919
Speaker 3: out wild sci fi superhero book, this is the one

1002
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 3: if all of that feels a bit like, oh, I

1003
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 3: don't want to have to read a whole arc. There

1004
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 3: was a single issue that came out last year which

1005
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 3: was Marvel Comics way of essentially introducing readers to Kang

1006
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 3: and to a bunch of different stuff that was going

1007
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 3: to happen in Marvel Comics universe, and a little bit

1008
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 3: of the MCU which was called Timeless by Jeb McKay,

1009
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 3: who wrote Death of Doctor Strange, which we were shouting out.

1010
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 3: And then it's got a ton of our artists, keV Walker,

1011
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 3: Greg land, Mark Bagley, Andrew Hennessy, Jay Leistein, Marte Garcia.

1012
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 3: There's just a bunch of people on there, lettered by

1013
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 3: Ariana Mayer, and that is just a really really great

1014
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 3: singular one shot about Kang, about the impact of Kang,

1015
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 3: about the timeline of Kang, and about the way that

1016
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 3: Kang can influence the Marvel universe. And it's just that's

1017
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 3: a great starting point, I think, especially if you're more

1018
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 3: into contemporary comics and you don't necessarily know how to

1019
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 3: embrace the strange nineties art of it. Okay, so, Jason,

1020
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 3: what about you?

1021
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: I have just one to add to that really excellent list.

1022
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: I would add West Coast Avengers the Out of Time

1023
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: out it's outer time. Excuse me, oh utta out of

1024
00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: Time arc which starts on and West Coast Avengers Volume two,

1025
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: number seventeen. This is written by Steve Engelhart. Pencils by

1026
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: Al Milgram, Josin On on the inks, Kevin food in

1027
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: a Which food in A? Which? Ken food in A

1028
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: Witch on the colors, Janish Chang lettering edited by Yeah,

1029
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: edited by Mark Runwaldt. And first of all, you get

1030
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: some of some West Coast Avengers flavor. For those of

1031
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: you who haven't, who are not fans of West Coast Avengers,

1032
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: haven't picked up a really fun book of the mid eighties.

1033
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: And of course there's a lot of threads and some

1034
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: of the Disney Plus shows that we've talked about in

1035
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: the past, Hawkeye in particular had laid some threads that

1036
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: could lead to the foundation of a West Coast Avengers team.

1037
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: And it's a really really fun time traveling adventure that

1038
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: gives you a lot of the backstory of Kang and

1039
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: how the whole Kang shebang works. Super super fun, super

1040
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: fun arc. And then our question is from Rosie. Rosie

1041
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: Night asked, Rosie Knight asks, and this comes from our

1042
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: interview with Michael Waldron in the next segment, which you

1043
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: will hear, Mike has a very specific answer or non answer,

1044
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: we should say, on the question of the various cameos

1045
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: and people that appear in the Illuminati sequence in Multiverse

1046
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: of Madness, and that led us, or it leads Rosie

1047
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: to ask, what's the deal with Charles Xavier and Patrick Stewart?

1048
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: So what is the deal? Rosie?

1049
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Michael, such a brilliant interview, just so, and it

1050
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 3: is a spoiler interview that you are going to get

1051
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 3: insights into the movie, right. But one thing that kind

1052
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 3: of blew my mind was Michael said when I he's

1053
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 3: a fan of the X Men animated series, you know,

1054
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 3: as most of us saw, And I said to him,

1055
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 3: how does it feel to have been the one to

1056
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 3: introduce Charles Xavier in the Yellow Wheelchair, you know, and

1057
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 3: he was like, I got to be very careful about

1058
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 3: what I say about the names and who's in the movie,

1059
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 3: and da da da da da. And I thought, well,

1060
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 3: that's interesting because everything else has been very spoiler friendly,

1061
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 3: and that is something that we all assumed happened. So

1062
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 3: I just think it's really interesting. I think it's quite exciting.

1063
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 3: I would love to know the reasoning behind why you

1064
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 3: couldn't necessarily say that's Charles, or that it was the

1065
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 3: Charles from the Animated Universe, and I just think it's

1066
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 3: I think anything do the X Men is exciting. But

1067
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 3: that was an answer that made me think there could

1068
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:37,439
Speaker 3: be more Charles Xavier in our future, in whatever guys right.

1069
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: I think that the fun the fun theory is that

1070
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: Patrick Stewart, who had previously been outspoken in his desire

1071
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: to not do Charles Xavier again as part of the MCU,

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Speaker 1: but who had recently been quoted as saying, actually, like

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Speaker 1: there's some really fun and interesting stories here or something

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Speaker 1: to that effect. I think that the the fun theory

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Speaker 1: version is that, oh maybe Patrick could do it. Maybe Patrick, maybe,

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Speaker 1: As you know, we had theorized that, like this could

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Speaker 1: potentially be the end of these characters in the MCU.

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Speaker 1: Certainly everybody but maybe Peggy Carter is done here. But

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Speaker 1: Michael's answer or non answer evasive answer kind of like

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Speaker 1: opens the doorway to maybe maybe Patrick Stewart will do it.

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Speaker 1: I think that the the boring the boring version is

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Speaker 1: maybe Marvel just doesn't know particularly what they are going

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Speaker 1: to do yet and just don't want to get painted

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Speaker 1: into a corner. Yeah, being like it is that Charles Xavier, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course it is, But is it because him right

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Speaker 1: to say to state that would paint them into a

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Speaker 1: corner that they would then have to retcon if they

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Speaker 1: go a different way, and so they just want to

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Speaker 1: keep their options open. That's the boring version, I think.

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Speaker 1: But that also that that answer also, I mean both

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Speaker 1: of us in the in the room at the same

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Speaker 1: time are like whooo hold.

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Speaker 3: On, yeah, okay. So my timfoil hat light theory, which

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Speaker 3: I love to have mine, is that you can't really

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Speaker 3: say it's Charles Xavier because like he's a scrawl, and

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Speaker 3: that's what the big reveal is gonna be. Is like

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Speaker 3: the eight three eight universe is like a scroll universe,

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Speaker 3: and so all those illuminatis were just scrawls. And that's

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Speaker 3: why I think you can't call him Charles Xavier. So

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Speaker 3: give somebody, give me ten dollars if that's true in

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Speaker 3: like five years.

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Speaker 1: And then finally Paul asks, uh, let's say we push

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Speaker 1: a hole in our own universe and safely jump across

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Speaker 1: into a universe which is similar to ours. But they

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Speaker 1: receive the Earth eight three eight MCU in their cinemas.

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Speaker 1: What would be the first Earth eight three eight MCU movie?

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Speaker 1: This is a great question. Wow, Okay, who man, Rosie,

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Speaker 1: who do you what do you think the first the

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Speaker 1: first Earth eight three eight movie is?

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Speaker 3: I think that we.

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Speaker 1: Should run down Let's illuminati. Let's run down the Illuminati. First,

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Speaker 1: we've got Read Richards, of course, mars Man Navers. We've

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Speaker 1: got Monica Rambo.

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Speaker 3: As Captain Marvel as Captain Marvel.

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Speaker 1: We have got Peggy Carter as Captain Britain slash Captain Carter.

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Speaker 1: We have Black Bolt of the Inhumans. Yes, we have

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Speaker 1: Professor Charles Xavier, Headmaster of Xavier School for Gifted Children.

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Speaker 1: And of course we have a Morto Baron Morto and

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Speaker 1: the Angry Eye Sorcerer Supreme of the Universe eight three eight,

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Speaker 1: What is our first movie? Considering that that group we

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Speaker 1: saw soloed Thanos, so they defeated whatever their Thanos saga is.

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Speaker 1: That is the team that defeats Sanos on Titan apparently. Oh,

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Speaker 1: so what's the first movie?

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Speaker 3: So? I think if we're talking about it in an

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Speaker 3: MCU frame of mind, so it's an old universe where

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Speaker 3: the MCU is set up and established in the same

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Speaker 3: way as our MCU, that would mean that the eight

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Speaker 3: three eight r Vierade and you know, Kevin Feige and yeah,

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Speaker 3: like trying to find that character. I think that the outlier,

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Speaker 3: but the most likely movie you could make for that

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Speaker 3: slightly low budget the Old Universe, John Favreau. As much

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Speaker 3: as you got two of the biggest teams included here

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Speaker 3: a Fantastic four and Next Men, I think that would

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Speaker 3: be your Avengers. So I think I actually think the

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Speaker 3: first film would be like maybe Captain Carter, the first Avenger.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's their starting point to build the MCU

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Speaker 3: on if we're talking of the MCU of it all,

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Speaker 3: so you get that story that we see in What If,

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Speaker 3: but expounded upon you maybe see the establishment of Shield

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Speaker 3: in that universe, and then you bring in those other

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Speaker 3: characters from that space. Maybe this stinger is some is

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Speaker 3: Captain Carter going to speak to Read or going to

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Speaker 3: speak to Charles about recruiting mutants for Shield or something.

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Speaker 3: I think that's the that's if we It's hard to

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Speaker 3: remember now, but Iron Man when it came out, that

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Speaker 3: was a risk, that was a that was that was

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Speaker 3: a that was Oh my god, can you believe they're

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Speaker 3: doing this? And I think that nature of that would

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Speaker 3: be a first avenger.

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Speaker 1: Captain Carter, I think you're absolutely right, and that would

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Speaker 1: lead to the rest of them. Let's do. Let me

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Speaker 1: do some like deductive reasoning based on the uh the

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Speaker 1: little flashback snippet that we see in Multiverse of Matters

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Speaker 1: when we see the Illuminati standing over the dead body

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Speaker 1: of Thanos on Titan. So it's just the Illuminati, right,

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Speaker 1: fantastic for not there. I guess Sue could. They're like,

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Speaker 1: Sue could be there, but.

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Speaker 7: That's the family it was like in the background, So

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Speaker 7: I guess like there's a world where Sue is actually

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Speaker 7: is helping, right, uh so, and also no x men.

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Speaker 1: So this leads me to believe that eight three eight

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Speaker 1: is a world in which Charles Xavier maybe founds his

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Speaker 1: school or however he comes to prominence. He doesn't put

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Speaker 1: together an X Men team, and Reid doesn't put together

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Speaker 1: or is not part of a Fantastic Four team, because

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Speaker 1: otherwise why would they not be there?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so so no, no, no, I think Reid says

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Speaker 3: that whatever happens, there could be a he has the

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Speaker 3: four in his chest, and he.

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Speaker 1: Mentioned the kids. So mentioned the kids.

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Speaker 3: We could be living in a world where their version

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Speaker 3: of the Fantastic Four is him, Sue Valerian Franklin, rather

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Speaker 3: than so it's the family, for it's the first family

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Speaker 3: and the deepest kind of framework. I think you're right.

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Speaker 3: I think this could be an eight three eight universe

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Speaker 3: where Charles Xavier does the right thing and does not

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Speaker 3: start a child army from his house, like he just

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Speaker 3: lets the kids stay in school and play baseball. He's

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Speaker 3: not sending children out to die like fighting people for

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Speaker 3: humans who don't even like them, you know.

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Speaker 1: So I think it is a much more is It

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Speaker 1: is seemingly a much more top utopian society like everywhere

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Speaker 1: chilled out. Potentially, we don't know a lot about it,

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Speaker 1: but we're guessing that.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if the other notion of this is something

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Speaker 3: you always bring up, which I think is really funny

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Speaker 3: and true about the Illuminati, where it's like, I wonder

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Speaker 3: if the reason that the rest of the like Sue

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Speaker 3: wasn't there or Gene or any of these helpful heroes,

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Speaker 3: is because like the Illuminati kind of sucks and keeps

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Speaker 3: it all a secret, so like Sue just doesn't know

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Speaker 3: she thinks reads it like the Backs to Building, Jean's

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Speaker 3: at home, which Storms the headmaster of the school, because

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Speaker 3: Charles is always away, like Carol Danvers, who's obviously Maria

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Speaker 3: Rambo's wife, she's probably out fighting think it doesn't know

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Speaker 3: where she is, you know. I think that there's something

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Speaker 3: kind of funny that notion that, like the comics, it's

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Speaker 3: this group of people who think they know better than

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Speaker 3: everyone else. So but it does seem strange that if

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Speaker 3: you had like Jean Gray and Storm and you know,

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Speaker 3: the Sue who essentially has like an immortal power that

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Speaker 3: can see like it's a power that can save anyone's lives,

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Speaker 3: it does seem a bit silly that they wouldn't be

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Speaker 3: there for Thanos.

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Speaker 1: Now here's the other option, right, they have the statue

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01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 1: for Stephen Strange for his efforts defeating Santis. Of course

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Speaker 1: that's pr and it was the Illuminati, but still it's

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Speaker 1: clear that Santos was a major, major, major threat. There's

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Speaker 1: I guess the one of the options is Sanos killed. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, killed the thing, killed, the human torch, killed

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Speaker 1: all killed. Sue killed all of the X Men except

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Speaker 1: for Professor Charles Xavier, and that's why it had to

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Speaker 1: be the Illuminati alone facing them. So there's there's a

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Speaker 1: world in which that was also the case.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe they also had had an Avengers team and

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Speaker 3: they got killed by Fanos. Like, there's lots of different versions,

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Speaker 3: I think, And yeah, I would actually love to see it.

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Speaker 1: All of which is to say I think that you

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Speaker 1: are exactly right. I think that Thanos killing everyone aside.

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Speaker 1: I think the movie that makes the most sense is

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Speaker 1: the Captain Peggy Carter movie. Right, it can be just

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Speaker 1: like Captain America First Avenger, just Peggy Carter from a

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Speaker 1: more British centric point of view. She gets injected with

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Speaker 1: the super Soldier serum, goes on to fight that Nazis

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Speaker 1: on Hydra, defeats them, etc. Becomes the first Avenger, they

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Speaker 1: assemble an Avengers team around her. That Avengers team is

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Speaker 1: wiped out by Thanos and that's the Illuminati has to

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Speaker 1: go and save the day. But I think that you're

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Speaker 1: whatever the case after the fact, I think you're exactly

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01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: right that it would have to be Peggy Carter as

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Speaker 1: the first movie. That was a really really fun question. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thanks to everyone who who submitted questions. We love doing this,

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Speaker 1: we love hearing from you. Continue to submit questions even

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Speaker 1: though we're not asking for them, and if we get

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Speaker 1: interesting ones, we will be sure to answer them in

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Speaker 1: the run of our episodes. Up next, Hive Mind with

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Speaker 1: Loki and Multiverse of Madness writer Michael Waltron. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Hive Mind, where we explore a topic in more

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Speaker 1: detail with the help of expert guests. This week, we

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Speaker 1: could not have a more expert guest to help us

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Speaker 1: talk about Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. It

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Speaker 1: is Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness screenwriter Michael Waldron. Hello, guys,

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01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 1: Hey Michael, thanks for allowing us in the Junket verse.

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Speaker 1: Which Marvel character in the MCU would give the best

1245
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 1: wrestling promos? You think I don't know.

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Speaker 2: And Wanda cuts some good ones and and she really

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Speaker 2: did in.

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Speaker 5: In this in this movie, you know, so I think

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01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 5: she's pretty good. Fanos is a pretty good monster heel

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Speaker 5: you one? Uh so, yeah, I don't know, they're they're

1251
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:19,599
Speaker 5: both pretty good. So, by the way, I'm such a

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Speaker 5: fan of you guys. I'm so excited.

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01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 3: Oh thanks, I've been reading so much.

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01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 5: I'm such a long time Ringer fan and every Can

1255
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 5: we just talk about the Hawks this whole?

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Speaker 2: Can we talk about Trey Young this entire.

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Speaker 1: They need that second ball handler, Mike, That's what needs

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01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 1: to happen.

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Speaker 2: Bradley, Can we talk about Bradley Beal?

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Speaker 5: Get him?

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Speaker 1: It feels like it feels like between you and I

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Speaker 1: feels like Bradley Beal to Miami is the thing that

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Speaker 1: everybody's been talking about. Great, well, I guess we'll throw

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Speaker 1: out all the tough questions then, uh those sounds good.

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Speaker 1: But thanks, that's so kind of you to say. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to ask, I guess, like, how how did you

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01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 1: find the emotional What is the emotional like key to

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01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: unlocking a character like strange? Who I think if you

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01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 1: know it is like main you know, character trait is

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Speaker 1: like kind of a dick, very high a regard for himself.

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Speaker 1: How'd you unlock this guy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: It's tricky, right, I look too. I actually I look

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Speaker 5: to great television. I've thought about.

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Speaker 2: Mad Men.

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Speaker 5: My favorite show, The Sopranos, shows about it's like the

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Speaker 5: difficult Men trope, I guess, but shows about characters that

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Speaker 5: refuse that don't want to look inward and are forced to.

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Speaker 5: I feel like I feel like that's what the journey

1280
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 5: of mad Men is is. Maybe Don Don Draper not

1281
01:12:55,320 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 5: necessarily changing, but he gains an awareness of who he

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01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 5: is and why he is that way.

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Speaker 2: And I seized on that a little bit.

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Speaker 5: For Strange, and it feels like that's something you can

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Speaker 5: really do in multiversal storytelling with Loki, and you do

1286
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Speaker 5: it here. You're meeting literal mirror images of yourself, and Strange,

1287
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Speaker 5: you know, through his journey, comes to realize that that

1288
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:30,839
Speaker 5: maybe he's lying to himself when he says he's happy

1289
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Speaker 5: and living this kind of emotionally closed off life. Just

1290
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Speaker 5: because he's the best superhero doesn't mean that he's fulfilled.

1291
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Speaker 5: And that that felt like enough of an interesting journey

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Speaker 5: to send a guy on in a superhero movie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I guess kind of the counterpoint slash

1294
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 3: reflection to use a pun of that is, wonder, who's

1295
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 3: this character who's almost defined by emotions, and just kind

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01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 3: of what was it like for you to have to

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Speaker 3: bring her on this journey, which to us we've talked

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Speaker 3: about a lot on the podcast, felt very true to

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Speaker 3: our comic book backstory. But I think for a lot

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Speaker 3: of people will be quite surprised. So what was it

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Speaker 3: like to take her on that antagonist journey?

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Speaker 2: Scary?

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01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 5: Uh, because because because Wanda Vision is so good and

1304
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 5: it was made by my friends and and you.

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01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 2: You don't want to do a disservice to it. But

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Speaker 2: at the same.

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Speaker 5: Time, you have to be bold and you and you

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01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 5: have to you know, felt like we had to innovate

1309
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 5: and push the character forward. And as you said, this

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Speaker 5: is true to who the character is in the comments, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: this is this.

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Speaker 2: Is where she was always headed.

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Speaker 5: And for me, it was it was making the judgment

1314
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Speaker 5: call that that I that I felt like by the

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Speaker 5: end of the events of WandaVision, she was essentially there.

1316
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Speaker 5: She she was, she was ready, that that she had

1317
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Speaker 5: she had encountered and and and reckoned with her grief

1318
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Speaker 5: in WandaVision, but I don't think resolved it entirely. And and

1319
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Speaker 5: she walked away with the dark hold and the knowledge

1320
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Speaker 5: that her children existed elsewhere in the multi verse. And

1321
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Speaker 5: and that felt like how we could get into her

1322
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 5: her greatest, darkest stories from the comics and selfishly have

1323
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 5: a lot of fun with her terminator.

1324
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Speaker 1: Like villain, what's your what's your like origin story with

1325
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 1: with some of these comics stories. Were you a big

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01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 1: comics reader coming up as a as a young person?

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Speaker 5: I was not. I was. I was a wrestling thing.

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01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 5: I was like that that was my that was my thing.

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Speaker 5: I feel like that's what my little kid brain latched onto.

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01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 2: Was hul Cogan turning heel.

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Speaker 5: Maybe maybe that's you know what what the movie is

1332
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 5: one giant Wanda leg dropping random but so so I

1333
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 5: came to it later, really when I was in the

1334
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:17,639
Speaker 5: Rick and Morty room, because so many of those big fans,

1335
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Speaker 5: and that's when I started reading like the Tom King

1336
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 5: Vision and the Matt Fraction Hawkeye stuff. And of course

1337
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 5: now I feel like I've read so much of it.

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Speaker 2: It was really wrestling that was my comic books.

1339
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Speaker 3: I feel like, yeah, and I think like you were

1340
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 3: a fan of the X Men animated series, right, yes, yes,

1341
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 3: So what was it like to get to be the

1342
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 3: one to introduce the animated series Xavier and the Yellow

1343
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:47,720
Speaker 3: Chair into kind of a live action space, because I

1344
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:48,760
Speaker 3: know that was with the.

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Speaker 5: That was.

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01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:57,759
Speaker 1: The chills moment, Like you, it was very cool.

1347
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 5: Look, I I still have I have to be Cagy

1348
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 5: still of course, have the names.

1349
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 2: Of these people you're gonna see me get launched.

1350
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 3: Uh piano.

1351
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 2: It was so awesome, it was so cool.

1352
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, I was losing my mind the entire time.

1353
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it.

1354
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 1: You've been we'll call about your love uh for Thor

1355
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 1: the Dark World? Uh. And as a lover of hot takes,

1356
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear that expounded upon more. And my

1357
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 1: personal hot take on is is that, hey, that third

1358
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: act and the and the climactic fight is actually pretty

1359
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 1: freaking great, Like, is it not what stand for Thor

1360
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 1: the Dark World one of the most maligned m c

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Speaker 1: U movies out there?

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Speaker 5: Yes, okay, well it's basically a low key movie.

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01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 2: It is, which is which is great? It's it has.

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Speaker 5: The death of Thor and Loki's mother is an amazing

1365
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 5: moment the over music. The the ms reveal of Loki

1366
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 5: being told that his mother was killed and him turning

1367
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 5: his back and telekinetically blowing the furniture over is so great.

1368
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 5: It's Thor and Loki fight. It's like Loki turning good.

1369
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 5: It's his it's where he Han Solo flies back into

1370
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 5: the you know, into the trench and saves. They like,

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Speaker 5: it's it's it's great. So it's the start of that

1372
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 5: redemption arc. There's awesome action. I agree in that in

1373
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 5: that third act. And then Eckel said, it is like

1374
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:56,639
Speaker 5: it it's malakith Is is a cool villain, like like.

1375
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:57,599
Speaker 2: He's a great actor.

1376
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 5: So yeah, I don't know, man, it's I think it's

1377
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 5: a pretty cool movie.

1378
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am also a fan of it. I also

1379
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 3: do think it's very interesting that that's a movie that

1380
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 3: I know, like a lot of people who really like

1381
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:14,480
Speaker 3: fantasy and like especially like a lot of women really always.

1382
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 2: Love that movie.

1383
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 3: And I always think it's I love to see the

1384
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 3: movies that are seen as cool and the ones that aren't,

1385
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 3: and I think there's something interesting there. But I hope

1386
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 3: your love will translate to more people rewatching it because

1387
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 3: it's good.

1388
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 2: It's also good and it's allented. It's it's a madman.

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01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 1: Come on.

1390
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeh, no, wonder there's some great character stuff in there,

1391
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 2: you know. I don't know.

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01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 5: I guess it all comes in with a lot of

1393
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 5: these movies. It's what are you what expectations do you

1394
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:47,719
Speaker 5: come into them with? I think that movie's cool.

1395
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I think this is a very cool movie.

1396
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 3: And I was wondering, like, could you talk a little

1397
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 3: bit about working with Sam because I feel like there's

1398
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 3: definitely shades of for the dark World and the things

1399
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 3: that are cool in there, the kind of gothic dark

1400
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:04,879
Speaker 3: fantasy elements. They really came over to Multiverse of Madness.

1401
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 3: So could you talk a little bit about building that

1402
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 3: kind of visual landscape once you guys started getting to

1403
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,719
Speaker 3: work together, like wander on the Dark Hold with Danny

1404
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 3: Ellman's score, going over doing a cool montage that's like

1405
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 3: the most my favorite part. So cool.

1406
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, the electric guitar is yeah, incredible.

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01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 5: I you know, when when Sam came on, I had

1408
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 5: Sam came on this movie like three days after me,

1409
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 5: and so I just went back through Sam's library and

1410
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 5: I felt like it was my job because I come

1411
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 5: from TV where I was used to the television writer,

1412
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:47,440
Speaker 5: you have more control, I guess than you do in features,

1413
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 5: and sudden I was like, Okay, I'm working for Sam

1414
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:53,599
Speaker 5: Raymond and I've got what it's my job to set

1415
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 5: him up for success in every way I can. And

1416
01:20:56,560 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 5: so I tried to get an ear for the dialogue

1417
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 5: that he in his movies and in.

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01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 2: All of that, and yeah, just you know, he encouraged me.

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01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 5: He said, you know, look right, spooky sequences, but don't

1420
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 5: feel like you've got to do that just because it's

1421
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 5: me and I think of anything I forced, tried to

1422
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 5: force him to do the Sam Raimi stuff.

1423
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 2: He didn't want to just do the same old things.

1424
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 2: But I'm glad.

1425
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 5: I'm so glad we got stuff like dead strange that

1426
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 5: you know, yeah, he's range in the end and all

1427
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 5: of that.

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01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 1: I'm actually in the middle of a mad Men rewatch

1429
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 1: right now with my partner and I watch it like

1430
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 1: every year. Season five is where we're at. And one

1431
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:45,639
Speaker 1: thing I've noticed, and just thinking about you talking about

1432
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 1: mad Men, is you know, Don's like self awareness comes

1433
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 1: in service of It's not like he wants to be

1434
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 1: a better person all maybe in some level he wants

1435
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 1: to he wants to be better at the thing he does.

1436
01:21:56,479 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 1: He wants to unpack his toxicity so that he can

1437
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 1: better sell things to people. As we look forward into

1438
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: Strange's arc, is that do you feel like that? Is

1439
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 1: that same kind of dynamic Frustrange? She doesn't necessarily want

1440
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 1: to be a nicer, better guy, less of an asshole.

1441
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 1: He wants to understand how he's an asshole so he

1442
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 1: can become a better magician. Is that kind of where

1443
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 1: we are with Strange?

1444
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 5: He's gonna he's gonna get a little bit nicer so

1445
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 5: he can cast a spell that sells everybody a coke.

1446
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I think I think that's.

1447
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:38,640
Speaker 5: The interesting thing with a character like Strange, is you know,

1448
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 5: and and look, we're in a lot of ways. Maybe

1449
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 5: we're just beginning his journey. You see him meet Clea

1450
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 5: at the end. She's a huge part of his arc

1451
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 5: in the comics. And that's very well put about about

1452
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 5: Don And I think that that is the kind of

1453
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 5: character that's even strange is you know, is he capable

1454
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 5: of changing who he is intrinsically or is he capable

1455
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 5: of just adapting so he can do a better job,

1456
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 5: so he can be a better surgeon or so he

1457
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 5: can be a better superhero.

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01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 2: That's interesting as.

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01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,639
Speaker 5: We get into our you know, however, the eleventh, twelfth

1460
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 5: year of the MCU, those are these are jobs for

1461
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 5: these guys, and I think that those are interesting questions

1462
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 5: to ask.

1463
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and something that our listeners really love is like

1464
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 3: to know what kind of comics they should read if

1465
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 3: they really love this movie or they want to know more,

1466
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 3: what were the comics you read that most kind of

1467
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:37,599
Speaker 3: influenced and shaped this film.

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01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 5: Jonathan Hickman's you know, his Avengers run where they're talking

1469
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 5: about I think it's new Avengers, I believe. Yeah, the

1470
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 5: Incursion stuff, that's the incursion of stuff.

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Speaker 2: I mean that that stuff is just amazing. As far

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01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 2: as a strange comic, the Brian K. Vaughan run The

1473
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:00,679
Speaker 2: Oath is really great.

1474
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 5: And Nick West is the Michael still Bark's character is

1475
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 5: the bad guy. Yeah, that's a big part of why

1476
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 5: I try to keep him alive. You want to keep

1477
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 5: him out there you never know. So those are maybe

1478
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 5: two good ones to check out.

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01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 1: And then finally Michael tell us everything about Secret Wars.

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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Thanks a lot, This has been really great.

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01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 5: Thanks guys, it's an honor to be on.

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01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:30,720
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.

1483
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 1: Oh that's so nice. Good luck with the Hawks next season,

1484
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 1: except when they go next Yeah, I.

1485
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 2: Appreciate all right, Bye, guys.

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01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 1: A huge thanks to Michael Waldron and of course Rosie

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01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 1: Knight for this episode of Extra Vision. Rosie, what have

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01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 1: you to plug for the people this week?

1489
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 3: I have exciting things to plug, so obviously I have

1490
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 3: the Godzilla comic is coming out, Godzilla Rivals versus Batrack.

1491
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:57,680
Speaker 3: You can pre order it if you go to my

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01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 3: instagram Rosie Marks, I have a link tree. There is

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01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:02,760
Speaker 3: a link there that you can show your comic shop.

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01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 3: You can call up your comic shop. I will have

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01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:08,720
Speaker 3: exciting news of a sort of like a fun giveaway

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01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:10,559
Speaker 3: that we're going to do with X Ray Vision and

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Speaker 3: one of our favorite shops that will be confirmed kind

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Speaker 3: of coming sooner. The book won't be out to a

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Speaker 3: long time because it's comics, like a few months, so

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Speaker 3: we'll do that closer to the line. But if you

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Speaker 3: like comics and you want to support them. I posted

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Speaker 3: a photo on my Instagram from Free Comic Book Day,

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Speaker 3: which was last weekend at my local shop in Long Beach,

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Speaker 3: which is pop fiction comics, and on May twenty first,

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Speaker 3: from twelve till five, I'm going to be there with

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Speaker 3: a bunch of amazing creators for Transformers Day, and there'll

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Speaker 3: be a ton of Transformers creators there, Nick Marino, Mark Martinez,

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Speaker 3: David Marriot, Brenda Chi who is like one of my

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Speaker 3: favorite artists. And there's also going to be a ton

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Speaker 3: of rad local Long Beach artists. So it's going to

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Speaker 3: be very very good, and I will be there and

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Speaker 3: you can come and get some cool comic books. They'll

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Speaker 3: be Transformers graphic novels on sale. I will draw a

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Speaker 3: terrible transformerce sketch, few you can get good Transformers off

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Speaker 3: from people who actually draw for a living. So that

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Speaker 3: would just be a really cool space to celebrate the

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Speaker 3: recent Beast Wars annual which has like a ton of

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Speaker 3: cool comics. So that'll be really rad and I'll remind

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Speaker 3: everyone again next week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's gonna be super fun. Check our show notes

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Speaker 1: for the information on that, and I'm gonna I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: come down. That's gonna be so fun. Yes, folks, check

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Speaker 1: our videos and the on culture YouTube channel and the

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Speaker 1: show notes of course for the listener's guide to Extra Vision,

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Speaker 1: where you can get all the details and all the

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Speaker 1: stuff that we talk about. If you're like, oh, what

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Speaker 1: was that thing they referenced, what was that issue they referenced,

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Speaker 1: what was that story arc they referenced, It's all in

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Speaker 1: the show notes. Go check that out. Our next episode

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Speaker 1: is on May twentieth. We will hear from you then,

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Speaker 1: and of course, five star ratings on every platform where

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Speaker 1: you get your podcast. Give us the five star ratings

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Speaker 1: Crooked Media production. The show is produced by Chris Lord

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Speaker 1: and Soalrubin. The show is executive produced by myself and

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Speaker 1: Sandi Rhard are editing in sound designers by Vascillias Photopoulos,

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Speaker 1: Dilon Villanueva and Matt de Group provide video production support.

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Speaker 1: Alex Rella for handle social media. Thank you, Brian Vasquez

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Speaker 1: for theme music. See you next time, folks.

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Speaker 8: Goodbye, Hey Mike, Yeah, I want to just talk about

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Speaker 8: the Illuminati today. If you notice the Illuminati of Earth

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Speaker 8: eight three eight, they took down Thanos with no problem.

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Speaker 8: They didn't need they didn't need the airs Guardians, they

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Speaker 8: didn't need the other sorcerers. They didn't need the Wakandons.

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Speaker 8: They just did it themselves, head up, nobody else, and

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Speaker 8: then they got taken out by Wanda. Mike, I got

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Speaker 8: I gotta say, you gotta, you gotta conclude from this

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Speaker 8: that Wanda was was an absolute steal in the draft mic.

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Speaker 8: She should have gone number one overall. I don't know

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Speaker 8: how she slipped to the second round with Pietro. Uh

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Speaker 8: but but it was obviously mistake. Uh and and and

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Speaker 8: I think that the you know, the Avengers regret it, Mike,

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Speaker 8: I think they really regret it. I'll take my answer

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Speaker 8: off the line. Thank you.