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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here, of course,

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Speaker 2: with true Crime Analyst.

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Speaker 3: Body move in, call us in.

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Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong is out for the evening, So we are

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Speaker 2: gone wild.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Fortney, we.

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Speaker 2: Miss you, and we know you'll be back very soon.

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Speaker 2: But in the meantime, guess what it is August eighteenth,

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Speaker 2: and we have a stacked knight of headlines. We're finally

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Speaker 2: going to get to that Montalk story. There's like this

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Speaker 2: mysterious death of a young woman who was found dead

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Speaker 2: on a yacht, and we talked about it a bit

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Speaker 2: last night, but tonight we're going to unpack. And then

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Speaker 2: also this dump of files on the Brian Coburger case.

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Speaker 2: We're getting more and more information by the day. Body

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Speaker 2: has been going through it all day herself, myself included,

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Speaker 2: so we have lots to discuss there. And also this

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to say it, a threesome, A

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Speaker 2: threple allegedly this threesome love affair gone wrong. Apparently this

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Speaker 2: body was found under a mattress of the couple that

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Speaker 2: they were having this threesome affair with for two years.

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Speaker 3: So we have to.

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Speaker 2: Discuss the forensics on that one as well. So obviously

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Speaker 2: there's tons to unpack here. Listen, we want to hear

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Speaker 2: Is talk back Tuesdays everybody, So literally the studio we

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Speaker 2: just started to dance. It's that time of the night,

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Speaker 2: so listen, start leaving them, start thinking of them.

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Speaker 2: So first I guess let's go to a talk back.

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Speaker 3: Let's do it.

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Speaker 4: Hey Jess from Newfoudland, Canada, Again thy seconds is not

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Speaker 4: enough for a new Fie with an Irish accent wanted

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Speaker 4: to speak to that time you mentioned you wanted to

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Speaker 4: come visit Canada. Newfoundland would be a really good option.

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Speaker 4: There are lots of unsolved cases here that would definitely

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Speaker 4: help people here and it could be a work trip,

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Speaker 4: except not right now. Unfortunately we have wildfires, which is

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Speaker 4: totally not the norm for here that are pretty scary.

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Speaker 4: But when that's all over, we'd love to have you here.

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Speaker 3: I love me and Nufie. I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. Thank you for the invitation. We're

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Speaker 2: coming kind of Thelma and Louise. We're gonna throw Courtney

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Speaker 2: in ta in the back seat and boom we are on.

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Speaker 3: Stephanie and I will be holding hands, gripping yes, yeah,

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Speaker 3: tickets as we speak. Let's go to Canada.

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Speaker 2: Did I hear a work trip? I mean, come on,

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Speaker 2: thanks listen my heart.

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Speaker 3: Nufie's great and we would fit right in there. You know,

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Speaker 3: that's like where my family immigrated to. They went to

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Speaker 3: Longland from Ireland and it's a very Irish place.

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Speaker 2: This is not I did it, you know, given we

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Speaker 2: very appropriate for us to go big or go home

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Speaker 3: There with time. Let's go in the winter when it's

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Speaker 3: nice and cold. That's so nice without me what about that?

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Speaker 3: and bring us your cases, Let's dig into them, let's

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Speaker 3: Because I am not pussy footing around like let's let's go. No,

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Speaker 2: You are not postly footing around. You know famous last words. Listen,

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Speaker 3: Have you heard of that? This case a little bit

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Speaker 2: Extremely mysterious. We keep kind of teasing it. I'm from

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Speaker 2: Talking about is really what we see. What's a Lake Ronkonkoma,

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Speaker 2: Lake Gronkonkoma Island. Huh okay, I say a loud say

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Speaker 2: And anyway, I digress. So there's all these yachts and

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Speaker 2: there's this yacht club, very beautiful, very famous, and suddenly

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Speaker 2: What turns out it's her, This beautiful, beautiful young woman

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Speaker 3: So with this naked sixty year old man, with this.

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Speaker 2: Naked sixty year old man, suspicious, suspicious, suspicious. Now her

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Speaker 2: family is crying foul ball, she's saying. The family and

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Speaker 3: Okay, I was just gonna ask, did they say anything

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Speaker 2: No, they said it was really it was not violent.

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Speaker 2: There's photographs of this that have now been released of

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Speaker 2: Now listen, obviously, people their brains go to, oh, that

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Speaker 2: must be drugs. It's cocaine, or it's gunpowder or something.

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Speaker 2: It does look like white powder essentially, could be baby powder,

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Speaker 3: Who knows. So that gets kind of you know.

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Speaker 2: Now we're in the rumor land rumor land rumor land

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Speaker 3: It must be drugs.

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Speaker 2: But again we have to wait for the toxicology report

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Speaker 2: to come in. But before that, the parents are saying no.

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Speaker 2: And they're an island. By the way, Now they've come.

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Speaker 2: She grew up about thirty miles outside of Dublin, so

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Speaker 2: and they want this second autopsy to be done because look,

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Speaker 2: information could be slipping out of authorities hands. The Suffolk

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Speaker 3: You know, they're doing their best.

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Speaker 2: They're trying to make sure they're they're covering the tracks

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Speaker 2: and making sure there's no detail left undiscovered or you know, undetected.

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Speaker 2: But the toxicology report hasn't come back yet. The family

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Speaker 2: attorney of her family. They're basically saying, look, do not

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Speaker 2: go jump into a conclusion. She was not a drug user.

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Speaker 2: This was not a wild card girl. She was, you know,

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Speaker 5: Hey, good evening. This is Joseph Scott Morgan calling in.

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Speaker 5: I just wanted to put a bug in your ear

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Speaker 5: about the case to that you guys are probably going

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Speaker 5: to be handling and that's the case out of Long

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Speaker 5: Island at Montak. I'm fascinated about this case because I

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Speaker 5: don't understand first off, what substances may have been on

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Speaker 5: Another piece of this that is just absolutely puzzling is

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Speaker 5: that the individual that actually alerted the locals that there

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Speaker 5: man who came running out onto the walkway adjacent to

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Speaker 5: the boat in the marina. What part did he play

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Speaker 5: in this? This is what I want to know. I

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Speaker 5: want to know what this toxicology is going to reveal

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Speaker 5: in this case, Specifically, if this was cocaine related, and

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Speaker 5: there's been hints of some of that, was there any

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Speaker 5: sentinel in that coke? Because if she has used coke

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Speaker 5: in the past and it has not been laced with sentinel, right,

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Speaker 5: that could be the key to opening up a much

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Speaker 5: broader investigation. And what I'm thinking here just reflect back

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Speaker 5: to the case out of Kansas City where the three

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Speaker 5: the backyard of Wonder Friend's homes. That guy's being charged

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Speaker 5: right now with homicide. I'm very interested to see where

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Speaker 5: Mikes you guys, hope you have a great evening to miss.

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Speaker 3: You too, Joseph. Yeah, that was great and really good observation.

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Speaker 2: Scariest stories, scary thing we've started. Can you describe a throutle?

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness. Okay, trigger, this.

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Speaker 2: This is one decision based on another bad decision. Now

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Speaker 3: Brian Coberger files. And did you know he was particularly

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Speaker 3: interested in the decision making processes that criminals make while

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Speaker 3: committing a crime. And it made me think about the

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Speaker 3: blood droplets on Sanna's floor standing in front of that door.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe you're saying that that was the one

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Speaker 2: thing I was holding to talk to you about because

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Speaker 2: the idea and just again not to jump ahead if

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Speaker 2: you're not following this case, but you know, the Idaho

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Speaker 2: massacre we had had Joseph Scott Morgan on he was

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Speaker 2: describing these droplets of blood that we now know, based

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Speaker 2: on new information from law enforcement, that would imply that

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Speaker 2: he must have paused at some point with a knife

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Speaker 2: in his hand, and these droplets must have fallen from

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Speaker 2: his knife. And again that's the moment of decision making.

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Speaker 2: You really wanted to talk to ichotic moment, and that

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Speaker 2: is exactly what I wanted to talk to you about.

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Speaker 3: So you are so we in my head baby decided

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Speaker 3: when we came on, we were like, don't talk to

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Speaker 3: me about Idaho to save it for the show. So

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Speaker 3: are you kidding me? He wants to talk.

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Speaker 2: About that, That is the only thing I want to

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Speaker 2: talk about, because remember he was so obsessed and Brian

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Speaker 2: Coberger is the killer in the Idaho massacre. He has

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Speaker 2: now confessed to killing four incredible young adults now serving

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Speaker 2: for life sentences because there was no trial. All of

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Speaker 2: these findings and files are coming out publicly and we

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Speaker 2: can't get through.

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Speaker 3: Them fast enough.

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Speaker 2: We're eating them up as as possible. But it shows

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Speaker 2: a lot into his brain space while getting his PhD.

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Speaker 2: Because while he was getting it, he was doing like

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Speaker 2: these surveys, for example, to criminals, basically asking about personality

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Speaker 2: traits and things that you know criminals had Was it

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Speaker 2: like a thought? Was it a personality? Are you born

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Speaker 2: that way? You know, kind of like a profile if

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Speaker 2: you will, which is not uncommon if you're taking a

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Speaker 2: class like that. But the fact that he was, actually

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Speaker 2: you're in my head.

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Speaker 3: So I don't even want to like that.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to jump the shark and steal the moment,

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Speaker 2: but I'll let you kind of set it up. I

470
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Speaker 2: know we have to go to a break, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think we have a lot of Brian Coburger to

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Speaker 2: come back.

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Speaker 3: We really do. Unfortunately, Yeah, these it's taken up all day.

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Speaker 3: You know, I was on vacation and while these dropped,

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Speaker 3: and you know, I'm like, oh my god, I get

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Speaker 3: these documents. I get home, I immediately down get the documents. Start. Anyway, well,

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Speaker 3: we're going to get into it next, so stick around

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Speaker 3: for that. We're going to be starting our coverage of

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Speaker 3: the new Brian Coberger Unsealed Files, and later in the show,

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Speaker 3: the latest with the Devil's Den double homicide. We'll be

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Speaker 3: right back keep it right here at True Crime tonight.

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Speaker 3: Well we're talking true crime all the time. Give us

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Speaker 3: call eighty eight thirty one Crime and listen.

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Speaker 2: We have so many files and new pieces of information

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Speaker 2: to discuss from these unsealed documents in the Idaho Massacre. Also,

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Speaker 2: our podcast Dropping on iHeart comes out on Wednesday, The

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Speaker 2: Idaho mass Er Season three, where we do a real

488
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Speaker 2: deep dive on so much body is in it as well.

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Speaker 2: Also Courtney Armstrong the voice of the Idaho Massacre. So

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Speaker 2: we're hoping you'll check it out and listen. We have

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Speaker 2: a talkback right now, Let's go straight to that.

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Speaker 7: Hey, I just want to say I love you guys.

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Speaker 7: Megan here from Kentucky. I just wanted to weigh in

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Speaker 7: on a little bit on what Joseph got Morgan was

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Speaker 7: talking about about the PhD thing with the students and everything. Like,

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Speaker 7: I've gone through all of that myself is the chemistry

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Speaker 7: PhD graduate, and I think that, you know, everything he's

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Speaker 7: saying is exactly right, and it is is very complicated

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Speaker 7: to understand what is going on with you know, people

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Speaker 7: in these different levels of where they are in their

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Speaker 7: academic program. And you know, he was very spot on that.

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Speaker 7: You know, the professor said he identified him maybe as

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Speaker 7: a predator pretty early on. But I just want to

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Speaker 7: say I love you guys, and I listen to your

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Speaker 7: show every day, and thanks.

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Speaker 2: Meg, you make it crazy for you. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: listening every day.

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Speaker 3: And congratulations on your PhD. Like that's smarty pands. I

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Speaker 3: was talking, you know, I was talking India. I was

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Speaker 3: thinking about going and get my masters. You'd be great,

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Speaker 3: I been. I was thinking about doing it in criminal justice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course you should. I always want to go

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Speaker 2: to law school. So did you going to go to

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Speaker 2: night school together? This is the best sitcom?

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Speaker 3: Is this our study group? It's our study group? I know,

516
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Speaker 3: is there a baby bar or something I could take?

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Speaker 2: But you know we're lawyers by proxy a little bit,

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Speaker 2: But you'd be great.

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Speaker 3: You should do that. I'm thinking about it. Oh, we'll see.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'll maybe I'll talk to Joseph and get in

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Speaker 3: at Jack's where he teaches. Yeah. So I've been digging

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Speaker 3: into these Coburger files and it's, you know, it's kind

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Speaker 3: of insane, and I don't even know really know where

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Speaker 3: to begin. So what I did was I went through

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Speaker 3: all of my skimmed all of them, and then my

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Speaker 3: friend Heinze and character Analysis and I sat down and

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Speaker 3: we've kind of been picking the ones that really stood

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Speaker 3: out to us. The most, and there was about fifteen,

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Speaker 3: and then I combined all those and did a summary, okay,

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Speaker 3: on on the key you know, consistencies throughout the reports,

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Speaker 3: and this is what it is, Okay. Brian Coberger is

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent in cell. He's one hundred percent and

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Speaker 3: in cell, and he's described by many as creepy, socially awkward,

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Speaker 3: and domineering. This is my summary, Okay. He frequently stared

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Speaker 3: intensely at people. One woman counted nine times during a

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Speaker 3: class she saw him staring at her intensely, like creepy, scary,

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Speaker 3: like without a blank.

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Speaker 2: You know, times you might just be gazing in a

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Speaker 2: direction and you happen to be looking at a person

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Speaker 2: and it's so embarrassing. You're like, where I'm not overly staring.

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Speaker 2: But in this case, this was a repeat pattern, and

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Speaker 2: he wouldn't really blink. He would just be so intensely staring.

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Speaker 3: Right. He exhibited this macho or puffed up demeanor, and

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Speaker 3: he always wanted to dominate every conversation he had. So

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Speaker 3: if you if you and I were talking about the

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Speaker 3: new Barbie doll, okay that we all got. We love

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Speaker 3: this Barbie doll. Enter Coburger he would turn the conversation

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Speaker 3: into something he's interested and then dominate that conversation. It

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Speaker 3: was actually because we're women too, especially because we're women,

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to get to that too. That's the

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Speaker 3: next section. Interactions with women. Okay, persistent complaints from women

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Speaker 3: about his behavior. He made sexist and belittally remarks. He

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Speaker 3: denied man explaining even exists. This This girl was in

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Speaker 3: and then the class was telling her something about eyewitness

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Speaker 3: You know, eyewitnesses get things wrong, and they were talking

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Speaker 3: about that, and he basically told her she was wrong

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Speaker 3: and explained why she was wrong, which is fine, but

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Speaker 3: apparently he was man'splaining, and it got the The argument

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Speaker 3: got so heated that she left the classroom crying and

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00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 3: heated and like left everything behind. Wow, it got so heated.

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Speaker 3: In this conversation, he told a disabled gay student he

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Speaker 3: would only accept a physically perfect partner and would she

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Speaker 3: even consider procreating because of her disability, meaning because.

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Speaker 2: She had a disability, he thought maybe she shouldn't like

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Speaker 2: That's what he was implying is that you're not perfect

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Speaker 2: enough to procreate, right.

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Speaker 3: He was dismissive of all the female professor's authority he

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Speaker 3: questioned one's ability to grade because she was too foreign. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and it got it was so bad that class people

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Speaker 3: in classes that were that were with Coburger started keeping

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Speaker 3: a tally how many times he was late to female

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Speaker 3: professors classes versus the male professors. It was apparently very

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Speaker 3: obvious that he had issues with women. Female grad students

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Speaker 3: often felt uncomfortable, harassed or trapped. He would block doorways,

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Speaker 3: preventing them from leaving offices, and he would like corner them,

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Speaker 3: and the word was spatially trap people in rooms and conversations,

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Speaker 3: and then when you would try to get away from him,

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Speaker 3: he would follow you and continue the conversation, sometimes following

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Speaker 3: people all the way to their car. And it got

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Speaker 3: so bad that WSU, now this is all redacted. I'm

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Speaker 3: assuming WSU security or campus police had to start meeting

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Speaker 3: some of the students at five o'clock to walk them

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Speaker 3: to their cars to avoid Brian Cooberger. Can you imagine?

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Speaker 2: And by the way, this is a very big deal

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Speaker 2: back to Megan, are callers, Yeah, point you know, here

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Speaker 2: you are, you're getting your PhD. You're a student, you know.

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Speaker 2: And also he has younger people underneath him, like theyre

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Speaker 2: prey to him. At this point, he's cornering them in

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Speaker 2: offices and making them feel uncomfortable. This guy was, you know,

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Speaker 2: like American.

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Speaker 3: Psycho, and you know, some faculty even warned students not

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Speaker 3: to be alone with him. You know, I'm a little

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Speaker 3: I'm a little taken aback by how obvious his like

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Speaker 3: absolute disdain and disrespect for women were. What were they

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Speaker 3: thinking after the murders, Like did they question like, oh

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Speaker 3: my god, I wonder if it could be him, Like

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Speaker 3: I wonder like internally did any of them kind of go, oh,

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: And can you imagine being a parent sending your child

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Speaker 2: to university and they're that unsafe. So here are all

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Speaker 2: of these multiple complaints. Obviously in a very short amount

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Speaker 2: of time, this guy is making everybody a little uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: There are this many complaints that we really weren't aware of.

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Speaker 3: Again, we talked about this before.

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Speaker 2: We've interviewed students and people that knew him during this

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Speaker 2: time period who said, yeah, he was weird. But imagine

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Speaker 2: you're a parent and your daughter is going to school

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Speaker 2: there and is in class with him, and the school

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Speaker 2: isn't keeping them safe.

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Speaker 3: Right, This is Jree grahmtonight and iHeartRadio. I am going

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Speaker 3: through some of the stuff that I found in the

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Speaker 3: Brian Koberger documents. I'm still going through them, and I

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Speaker 3: still have a lot to go through. But if there's

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Speaker 3: something that you found that you want to talk about,

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Speaker 3: give us a call. Eighty eight to thirty one Crime

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Speaker 3: I am. I want to hear what you have to say,

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Speaker 3: because listen, I might have missed something. My friends and

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Speaker 3: I might have missed something. Tell me what did I

619
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Speaker 3: miss Give us a call. But let's get back to it.

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Speaker 3: There were at least at the time of the report,

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Speaker 3: there were at least nine complaints that were officially filed

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Speaker 3: against him, which is a remembering he'd been there. He'd

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Speaker 3: only been there since July, like you know, the six

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Speaker 3: months nine complaints. Some peers, oh this was this was crazy.

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Speaker 3: One called him a possible future rapist like this to me,

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Speaker 3: it's it's crazy. He had a lot of stalking and

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Speaker 3: boundary issues. He again is accused of following women to

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Speaker 3: their cars, staffed arranged for escorts because of him. There

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Speaker 3: was a whole class on how to behave because of

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Speaker 3: Brian Coberger. Yes, in a whole class. They gave They

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Speaker 3: gave like an orientation on how to conduct yourselves?

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Speaker 2: How about fires cobrat of this clown? Why is not

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Speaker 2: allowed to be there? I know?

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Speaker 3: And they noted that he sat in the back with

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Speaker 3: his hands folded kind of in front of him, staring

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Speaker 3: up at the ceiling. In this class was totally about

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Speaker 3: him and his behavior.

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Speaker 2: By the way, another thing too, if he wasn't making

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Speaker 2: obscene amounts of eye contact with somebody, or not even

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Speaker 2: eye contact, just staring at somebody, he also apparently was

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Speaker 2: als so just staring at the ceiling, he did not

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Speaker 2: have any social cues, right, so we know now he

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Speaker 2: had some degree of autism.

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Speaker 3: Not that that has anything to do with the autistic community.

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Speaker 2: Obvious now, but you know, we thought that was such

646
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: a cop out. But you know, when we weren't sure

647
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 2: if he did it, you know, maybe he just didn't

648
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: have great social communication skills, right, or he just didn't

649
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: catch the hint. You know, when people are like, yeah, yeah,

650
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: you're carrying your groceries from your car to your apartment

651
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: and somebody stops and starts chatting you up. You're like, dude,

652
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 2: I'm holding all of these groceries, Like this is a

653
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 2: nonverbal cue that I'm done with this conversation.

654
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 3: He would not get that. He wouldn't get it, while

655
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 3: he allegedly stalked a staff member, asked her out on

656
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 3: a date and followed her to a car. She filed

657
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 3: a civil rights complaint with the university about this because

658
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 3: he wouldn't leave her alone. A cafe worker said that

659
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 3: he knew her name and scheduled despite never being told,

660
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 3: and she suspects that he tracked her for.

661
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: Weeks in order to figure that out. In order to

662
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 2: figure that out right, witness has been the guy that's

663
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: like sitting outside the restaurant staring through the window from

664
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 2: the outside, marking her shifts.

665
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 3: Think about that. How scary that is? Very Witnesses reported

666
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 3: him showing up at women's homes or being linked to

667
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 3: suspicious incidents. Knocks on the windows, somebody on a porch,

668
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 3: somebody's underwear was stolen. This one lady, she's a student

669
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 3: and she was in the study group with him, the

670
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 3: court the court. Well, she invited everybody to her apartment

671
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 3: for like some kind of orientation, including Brian Coburger. Then

672
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 3: rumor started circulating that she's on this drug and she

673
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 3: has this disease and da da da da whatever, and

674
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: it comes from Brian Coburger. She finds out while he

675
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 3: went through her medicine cabinet when he was in her

676
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 3: bathroom at her house. This guy, yeah, and then he

677
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 3: starts talking crap about her after getting all her you know,

678
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 3: her personal business. Like he just he didn't have any

679
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 3: boundaries at all. He didn't have anything. It's just he

680
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 3: was again, he was systematically late to classes taught by women.

681
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 3: He was never late to the male professor classes. There

682
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 3: was even a male professor who started letting his class

683
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 3: out early so that Brian could make it to his

684
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 3: colleague's female class, and Brian was still late to her class. Wow,

685
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: what is intentionally disruptive? He would leave class in the

686
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 3: middle of a woman speaking one of his professors and

687
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 3: go get coffee. Are you kidding me? He was dismissive.

688
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 2: And can you imagine if you're one of the victim's

689
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 2: family members and you're reading this now after the fact,

690
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: these were red flags that frankly went un handled. You know, yes,

691
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 2: there's a record of it, and to be honest, it's

692
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 2: pretty bothersome. And that's like an understatement of the year

693
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: that these things were on record. What more could they

694
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 2: have done?

695
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 3: Well, we're going to get listen. I left out a lot.

696
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: We're going to get to more later, including what Brian

697
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 3: Coberger said about the killer at one one, two two

698
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 3: King Road. You know.

699
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 2: As a reminder, our podcast, The Idaho Massacre, Season three

700
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: drops on Wednesday on iHeart. Please check it out, body,

701
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: you're so good on it and listen. It's shocking developments. Frankly,

702
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: some of the stuff we thought we knew and now

703
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,479
Speaker 2: that we're seeing it, it was seeing it in black

704
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 2: and white. It was all speculation and to be honest,

705
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 2: it makes it ten times scarier. So we want to

706
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 2: hear from you. Join the conversation eight eight A three

707
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 2: one crime. Remember tomorrow is talk back Tuesday. We talked

708
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 2: back Tuesday, everybody, so we want to make sure that

709
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: you were leaving your talkbacks. Download the iHeartRadio app, press

710
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: the right hand corner button and boom you are on

711
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 2: the show. Speaking of we have one right now.

712
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 9: Hi there at Cynthia from Canada College.

713
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 3: Hey, regards to the lady that.

714
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 9: Was found to ceased on the yacht, she wouldn't necessarily

715
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 9: have to be using the drugs to overdose. She may

716
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 9: have just touched it. If there was ventanyl in it,

717
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 9: You can overdose by just having touched a product with

718
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 9: it in there, if people are aware of. Fentanyl is

719
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 9: a transdermal patch and that's how it's transmitted through the skin.

720
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 9: So she may not have been using it all. She

721
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 9: just may have touched it in error, and that's what

722
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 9: might have happened.

723
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 3: Can you imagine.

724
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: And by the way, yes, suddenly you show up on

725
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: a boat, there's maybe drug use happening. You're just near it.

726
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: Maybe you sit down and it's on the seat, and

727
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 2: now suddenly you have fentanyl under your nails and then

728
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 2: you die.

729
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 3: This is no joke.

730
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: This phentanyl is a very scary thing with you on

731
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: this one.

732
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 3: The patches. The patches are designed to be absorbed through

733
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 3: the skin. They like hook into your skin and they

734
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 3: release the fentanyl into your body that way. But I

735
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 3: don't think just touching ventanyl.

736
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 8: I think you're right, body. I've just looked up really quick,

737
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 8: and it's saying you can't overdose just by touching it.

738
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 8: It's a common myth that spread through viral news.

739
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 7: But you know.

740
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 2: With Cynthia, Cynthia, because he thinks about it. Maybe she was.

741
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 3: She also may have been ignore the evidence and just

742
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 3: like let's just we know.

743
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: Have we not talked about the Ketaman queen. I mean,

744
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: this is bad stuff. I'm by no means an expert,

745
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 2: but I feel for her. Like this girl she or

746
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: she is, she's supposed to go home, she's at this

747
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 2: lovely place very she she and she's supposed to get

748
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 2: into an uber and instead maybe she goes with her

749
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 2: this guy, maybe it's her business partner or her investor,

750
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 2: and you know, something goes awry and now boom, now

751
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 2: they're having funeral services overseas in Ireland and it's just

752
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: a heartbreaker. Yeah, absolutely heartbroken. This veetanol thing is no joke.

753
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 3: No it isn't of course, not like it's a big deal.

754
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 3: Like like I said, my my best friend lost her daughter.

755
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 3: Really it's just all she was so she was so great.

756
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 3: This squirrel was so great, and it's just twenty two young,

757
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 3: very young. Yeah, and it's it's an epidemic. I mean

758
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 3: it's it's literally an epidemic. It's it's awful. And you know,

759
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 3: please carry around uh narcan and whatnot. You know, you

760
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 3: just never know who's going to need it and not

761
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 3: every person that you know dies from these things, are

762
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 3: you know, zombies walking the streets, right, like, these are

763
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 3: our friends, our cousins, our brothers, our sisters, our daughters.

764
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 3: Let's try to save as many as we can. You know,

765
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 3: just where do you get narcans? So you can just

766
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 3: get the pharmacy. You can get a Walgreens. Yeah, go

767
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 3: to the pharmacy and they'll give them to you. Yeah.

768
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,439
Speaker 2: And that's just something that have in your house at

769
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: all times. Yeah, you're frankly, if this was on that boat,

770
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 2: you know this, maybe maybe if it had that on it,

771
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 2: you know, a life could have been saved. No, again,

772
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 2: this has not been proven. Her toxicology report, it is

773
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 2: not back. Authorities say that there is no foul play

774
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 2: in this case. And this you know, sixty year old

775
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 2: man has not been charged. It's just an unfolding story.

776
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 3: Right. Courtney Armstrong is out tonight and we've lost our minds.

777
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 3: I know, we all have the giggles. Ta hilame you.

778
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 3: Conia Corney is like the serious one, okay. Corney is

779
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 3: the one that keeps us kind of like, you know,

780
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: the train is on the tracks and she is not

781
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: here and we it's Lord of the Flies up here,

782
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 3: like we are losing it. I am losing it.

783
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: I feel like I can't stop with the giggles. Sometimes

784
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 2: it's like a nervous energy in between the breaks.

785
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 3: So and it's just making fun of Brian Koberger. You

786
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 3: know what I mean, this maniac, I mean honestly.

787
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: So we want to make sure come on join in,

788
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: give us a giggle eight eight eight to three, one

789
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: crime if you want to jump in and join the converse.

790
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 2: And remember tomorrow is talkback Tuesday, so we want to

791
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: definitely get your talkbacks, any opinions about any of the

792
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: cases that we are covering or that you would like

793
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: us to cover. You know, we kind of just want

794
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: to hear from all of you all in one night.

795
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 2: So we actually have a talkback right now.

796
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 10: Yay, Hello, my babies, This is Cindy calling in from

797
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 10: Oakland and I just want to know your guys's thoughts

798
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 10: on the missing baby, baby Emmanual and the parents. As

799
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 10: we know, the mom went to a Big five parking lot.

800
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 10: She said that she was struck in the face, passed

801
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 10: out and the baby was gone. The stepfather, I believe

802
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 10: has previous charges for abusing children. So I just want

803
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 10: to know your thoughts and are we on the verge

804
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 10: of another Casey Anthony?

805
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 5: Are your thoughts?

806
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: I love you to Felida.

807
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 4: Bye, Listen.

808
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 3: I love you too, Okay, Listen. I just spent all

809
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 3: weekend with her and she never mentioned this baby to me.

810
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 3: I have no idea what Casey's even talking you. No,

811
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: I do. And by the way, wait, are you move down, Indy?

812
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 2: We were all having a giggle and now we have

813
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 2: to talk about the sadest case ever. But yes, it

814
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: does seem suspicious. Dad, who has not been brought in

815
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: on charges yet, does have a bit of a background

816
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 2: in this. And it's tragic. It's as tragic as it gets.

817
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 2: In fact, those you know, pieces of these details are

818
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: kind of unfolding real time.

819
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 3: Indy.

820
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 2: You probably are on the front line of this, So text.

821
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 3: Me, Indiana, let me know task on.

822
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 7: We're we're kind of.

823
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 3: Following this one closely.

824
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: It's just so sad, and yes, it does seem like

825
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 2: you know, if anyone remembers the Casey Anthony case, infamously

826
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 2: known as top Mom, she was found not guilty in

827
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: the murder of her daughter, and you know, the circumstances

828
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 2: around Kayley's death have always been, you know, questioned and

829
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: really never quite resolved.

830
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 3: There's been so much he said, she said, Dad did it.

831
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 3: I didn't do it. So that's the casey Anthony. So

832
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 3: this baby was did they take the car and the

833
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 3: baby or just the baby? Just the baby? Really that's

834
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 3: the story. Huh interesting? Okay, we all dig into it too. Yeah.

835
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 3: I don't know anything about it. Yeah, let's see, let's

836
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 3: do it. I I really don't know a thing about it.

837
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 3: And she didn't say a thing to be about it either.

838
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think she listen.

839
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: I think she likes me more. I think she does

840
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: she does like you.

841
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 3: You go there next time? Okay, But no, I you know,

842
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 3: I just had never heard of it. I just didn't,

843
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 3: you know. Anyway, So I have an update that I

844
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 3: can get into. The Devil's Den suspect has pled not

845
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 3: guilty to two charges of capital murder again. Twenty eight

846
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 3: year old Oklahoma teacher Andrew McGann appeared in court for

847
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 3: his arrangement Thursday at Washington County Courthouse. McGann is accused

848
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 3: of fatally stabbing the couple Clinton and Kristen brink on

849
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: July twenty sixth, like this was pretty recent, right while

850
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 3: hiking with her two daughters in Devil's Den State Park

851
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 3: in Arkansas. So while it's usually open to the public,

852
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 3: you know, this these kinds of cases, the judge barred

853
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 3: everyone but the attorneys and McGann himself from the arrangement,

854
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 3: so press wasn't allowed in which just unusual. A gag

855
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 3: order is anticipated to be in place on this case,

856
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 3: which is why I don't like I don't like that.

857
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 3: But why do you think? I don't know, But you know,

858
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 3: it just seems like every time there's a gag order,

859
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 3: there's rumor, and you know, basically people fill in gaps

860
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 3: right with their imagination, and I just don't like that

861
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 3: in cases I think, I think transparency is key. I

862
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 3: just I don't really like gag orders. It's not my

863
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 3: I don't love I don't love them. So authorities do

864
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 3: not think McGahn had a connection or knew the couple

865
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 3: at all. They're yet to determine a motive for the crime,

866
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 3: which is very interesting. He's being held without bond obviously.

867
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 3: His next court date is scheduled for November fourteenth, so

868
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 3: it's coming up. Authorities in Wisconsin and Veron are looking

869
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 3: for a connection between McGann and two unsolved murders, one

870
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 3: John Craig Schmutzer in twenty twenty and Honore Fleming in

871
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two. However, there's no viable leads at this time.

872
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 3: There's no connective tissue yet. Honorey Fleming, she was seventy seven.

873
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 3: She was a retired dean of education and a professor

874
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,479
Speaker 3: at a local university. She was shot and killed while

875
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 3: walking on a bike pass, so she was hiking, but

876
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 3: she was shot, so it's like a different method. And

877
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 3: then John Craig Schmutzer, he was twenty four. He was

878
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 3: stabbed and killed while hiking in the Grottos Trail in

879
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 3: Doubles Lake skate Park in Wisconsin on October fourteenth of

880
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 3: twenty twenty. So again, no connective tissue there. And I

881
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,959
Speaker 3: don't think they're going to find anything. I think they're

882
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 3: kind of reaching, but what we're gonna find out I did.

883
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: It just seems so bizarre that a person would just

884
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 2: jump out of nowhere in the woods dressed in black

885
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: and murder two people, if they hadn't done that before

886
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 2: or that does seem sort of like an m O.

887
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 3: I don't think it's you know, I think we're gonna

888
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 3: I think we're gonna learn that this guy was probably

889
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: going after the kids. What I think he was probably

890
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 3: going after the kids. There's some history there with him

891
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 3: in teaching where he was acting inappropriate with uh students

892
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 3: at times and he was let go. Now it doesn't say,

893
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 3: you know what the inappropriateness was. It could have just

894
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 3: been a misuse of time. It could have been something

895
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 3: very you know, non you know.

896
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: Hetty ring necessarily a pedophile, right, That doesn't necessarily mean

897
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 2: see what's happening.

898
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 3: My mind is filling in the blanks. See what I'm doing,

899
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 3: See how I'm doing that track at least, I mean,

900
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 3: it doesn't make any sense to just be going into

901
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 3: a trail to go hiking with your family and this

902
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 3: nut just comes out of nowhere. I mean, I mean,

903
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 3: what parent isn't going to stand in between their children

904
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 3: and an attacker? Right every port on planet earth wood, Right,

905
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 3: So I just feel like, you know, it's something to

906
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 3: do with that. And then we know that mom ushered

907
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 3: the girls to safety, right and then went back to

908
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 3: help her husband, and she then was killed and I

909
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 3: just feel like Mom was like, I've got to get

910
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 3: these girls out of here, like he's coming after that.

911
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 3: I don't know we're gonna obviously we'll learn as time

912
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 3: goes on, but we just don't know anything right now.

913
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 2: Mom is such a hero too, to have alfray with all,

914
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 2: to be able to take your children, your husband is

915
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 2: being attacked and you know, killed, and you still get

916
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 2: them to safety and then go back to save your husband. Right,

917
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 2: I mean, that is so incredibly brave and what a tragic,

918
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 2: horrible ending.

919
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 3: Right. If this guy is the guy, boy, he deserves

920
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 3: it all. You're listening to True Crime tonight, we are

921
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 3: going through all the headlines. I am body moving and

922
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 3: I'm here with Stephanie La Decker and we've got Taha

923
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 3: on the boards. Stephanie, what do you got listen?

924
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, Taha just gave me a

925
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 2: thumbs up, and it makes me so happy. Tahi, is

926
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 2: that a thumbs up? Because you feel like, what, you're excited.

927
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 8: That excited to hear the next story? Because well, I'm

928
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 8: always excited to hear everything that I hear. You have

929
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 8: a good one that we're going to be covering. So

930
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 8: that was the thumbs up to that.

931
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 2: Well, have you guys been hearing much about this LSU

932
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: case where you know, this very high profile football player

933
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 2: was arrested for basically he was basically taking two of

934
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 2: his buddies who were from his hometown in Louisiana, Alexandria,

935
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 2: and they had committed a crime. They were on the

936
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,439
Speaker 2: they were on the lamb. They were wanted for second

937
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 2: degree murder. They had murdered a seventeen year old boy

938
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 2: in like a botched burglary, and they basically look up

939
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 2: the FSU football player, Lindsay is his last name, and

940
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 2: they basically say, hey, we are allegedly, allegedly allegedly they

941
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 2: need to be housed. So he was basically harboring his

942
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: two buddies from home in his dorm room at LSU

943
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 2: and now has been arrested for Yeah, basically for you know,

944
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,479
Speaker 2: harboring these people after the fact, and it's a big deal.

945
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 2: You know, you're really interrupting an investigation. And when he

946
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 2: was arrested, he was arrested, they found guns in the

947
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 2: room in the dorm room. I mean, this guy was

948
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: like an all star, He's a freshman. So at the

949
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: very beginning of his football career. He's being drafted, he

950
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 2: was considered number four in his class, like he was

951
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 2: a big deal, and now he's been suspended. But it

952
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: really does speak to the company you keep at this point.

953
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: So here's a guy whole life ahead of him, going

954
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 2: to university. It's an amazing school, and suddenly he throws

955
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 2: it all away because of his knucklehead buddies. From that,

956
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 2: you know they were wanted, Well, that's a great questions.

957
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 2: He had no idea, He had no idea that they

958
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 2: were wanted, nor of the crime they were accused of committing. However,

959
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 2: it's a very small area. Alexandria is not the hugest town,

960
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 2: and he has such close connections that apparently that was

961
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 2: very hard to believe. And then one of his associates

962
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 2: real time at LSU had tipped off police that apparently

963
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: Lindsay had said to them, I have these two buddies

964
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 2: that are Mike barboring in my in my in my

965
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 2: dorm room essentially, and that sort of tipped it over.

966
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 3: And it's a hard thing.

967
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 2: You know, you see him walking in with his mom,

968
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 2: who's probably had to work real hard to get him there.

969
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 2: You know, we can imagine it's like this guy is

970
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 2: going to go pro this has got the NFL and

971
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 2: just threw his entire life away. Can you imagine how well?

972
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I'm trying to put myself back

973
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 3: in that mind frame of being you know that young

974
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 3: and you know you've got older, you know, upperclassman. Let's

975
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 3: say who you know you maybe look up to maybe

976
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 3: or like we need to high out like the pressure,

977
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 3: like the pressure right, like, plus you're in the sports thing,

978
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 3: like that's got to add some kind of pressure, right

979
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 3: like from pride.

980
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: He's eighteen years old, he's a freshman. He's got this

981
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 2: whole life ahead of him.

982
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 3: His name is J. T.

983
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 2: Lindsay and by the way, a popular name. Like he's

984
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 2: a big deal in his hometown too, almost a hometown hero.

985
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 2: There's a real real fall from grace.

986
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 3: I don't think they're gonna pursue the charges against this kid.

987
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 3: That all that hard.

988
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 2: It's considered a cessory after after the fact, yeah, which

989
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 2: is no, you know, that could be a fine, but

990
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 2: that also could be a sentence up to fifteen years.

991
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 3: Listen, if you're listening to this, tell your lawyer that

992
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 3: you'll work with the prosecution and testify against your friends

993
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 3: and you'll get immunity and everything will be fine. Like

994
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 3: just listen to me, likechitches and that's a tough thing.

995
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 3: You know. Not everybody is raped that way. You're sort

996
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 3: of like.

997
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 2: You have to stick up for your buddies and you

998
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 2: know you're hearing all of it. Oh what you think

999
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 2: you're a big shot? Now, this guy was the number

1000
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,919
Speaker 2: seven running back in the nation. I'm talking football terms

1001
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 2: right now, So that's pretty It sounded to kind of

1002
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 2: flow off my tongue like it did.

1003
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 3: It sounded like a.

1004
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 2: Exactly am I.

1005
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 3: Sports Center Sports Tonight.

1006
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad, Yes, number four player in the state

1007
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: of Louisiana. I mean, come on, this is a big deal.

1008
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 2: This guy is okay and going all the way. Needs

1009
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 2: to do what I said.

1010
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 3: Then, I don't care about. I don't care about. He

1011
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 3: needs to save his own by Yeah, he needs to

1012
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 3: save his own butty, and you need to tell the

1013
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 3: prosecutors what those two idiots told you while you were

1014
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 3: harboring them. But how about the.

1015
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: Fact that they also found two ar fifteens and other

1016
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 2: multiple guns in this dorm room and they don't love you.

1017
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 3: In college? Isn't that against the rules.

1018
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 2: Oh, it's against the rules. And then the knucklehead friends

1019
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,439
Speaker 2: who shall remain nameless, they were like using his ID

1020
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 2: to like get in and out of the place and

1021
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 2: you know, grab some food, like they were basically living

1022
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 2: there as if they were students. Now he claims he

1023
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 2: was at football camp, but others are saying, mm, that

1024
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 2: doesn't add up. So it puts a lot of other

1025
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 2: people at risk, obviously, and other students, you know, their

1026
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 2: safety at risk.

1027
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know what a loss.

1028
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 2: And again, most importantly, the biggest loss is Corey Brooks,

1029
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 2: seventeen years old, lost his life to those guys. So

1030
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 2: you know, our hearts are with his family, are Taha

1031
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 2: Producer Taha is kind of jumping in to help us

1032
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 2: around the edges while Courtney Armstrong's away. This like information

1033
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 2: drop in the Brian Cobroger Idaho massacre trial is is

1034
00:55:58,080 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 2: making us all insane right now.

1035
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 3: It's literally is making me crazy.

1036
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 2: It is it is and before we even get there,

1037
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 2: just as a reminder to everybody, tomorrow is talk back Tuesday,

1038
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 2: So listen, set the schedule, set your clocks. We want

1039
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 2: to hear from you. Set your talkbacks, send them our way.

1040
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 2: And feel free to call us anytime eight eight eight

1041
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 2: three one crime. It doesn't have to be on topic.

1042
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 2: It can be about any of the crimes we've been covering,

1043
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 2: or any of the crimes who kind of want us

1044
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 2: to cover as well. And also as a reminder, I

1045
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 2: Hadaho Massacre Season three. The podcast drops on iHeart on Wednesday,

1046
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 2: So body, I know, we're both losing our minds during

1047
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: the breaks.

1048
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,720
Speaker 3: We're not sure where to start.

1049
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 2: There's so much information to touch on, and it's upsetting.

1050
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 3: It is upsetting to read these and it's in black

1051
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 3: and white, and it's so you know, we were talking about,

1052
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 3: you know, it's so obvious how he just didn't respect

1053
00:56:56,160 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 3: women or even like them, and it just we were,

1054
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 3: you know, kind of before we knew for sure, we

1055
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 3: were kind of guessing this is how he was right,

1056
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 3: just based on looking like his mannerisms and what we

1057
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 3: did know about him, which was very little, but we

1058
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 3: were all right. And it's just it's kind of upsetting

1059
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 3: that not only were we right, but we were spot

1060
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 3: on correct. And the fact that the fact is that

1061
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 3: we didn't even know an hing about him when we

1062
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 3: knew this, and except for that he was accused of

1063
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 3: this crime. But the fact that the people at WSU

1064
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 3: were basically getting security to escort students and other faculty

1065
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 3: to their cars because of Brian Koberger's behavior with them

1066
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 3: is so upsetting to me. It's so upsetting.

1067
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 2: Yes, imagine also being a family member, being one of

1068
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 2: the Gonzalez family, Medicine Mogan or is Ana Kernodle's family,

1069
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 2: and they're like, look, they knew an identify this guy

1070
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 2: as a total creep and a predator. My kids are

1071
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 2: gone now because of this guy. Maybe he could have

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00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 2: been stopped again in everything's in hindsight what it is.

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Speaker 3: And and this isn't like, you know, I'm not putting

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00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 3: down WSU because I feel like this is something that's

1075
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 3: you know, a problem throughout you know, the campuses throughout

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00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 3: the nation. Because you know, we were talking to Joseph

1077
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 3: last night and he was telling us, yeah, there's not

1078
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 3: really much you can do. These are you know, employees

1079
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 3: basically of the university at this point, right and you know,

1080
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 3: you just can't fire people willy nilly and anymore. You know,

1081
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 3: you have to have cause and whatnot, and you have

1082
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 3: to have write ups, and you have to have so

1083
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 3: many and it has to counseling, and that you have

1084
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 3: to go through all these steps. It's just I just

1085
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 3: kind of wonder did even one of them after the

1086
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 3: murders took place, did one of them go hmm.

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00:58:55,680 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 2: You remember, Brian Coburger was raised by really smart, loving women.

1088
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 2: He had two older sisters. He was the baby of

1089
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 2: the family. In fact, one of his sisters is a therapist.

1090
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 2: And you know, he was doted on, loved. His mother

1091
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 2: was very respected and loved. So, you know, you're raised

1092
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 2: by women, yet you have such a disdain for them.

1093
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 2: You know, again, these are psychopathic behaviors, right. He lacks compassion,

1094
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,919
Speaker 2: he lacks any love or an ability to give love

1095
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 2: or receive love in maybe a human way obviously, But

1096
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 2: it is interesting that he wasn't raised by wolves.

1097
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 3: He was raised by women. He was raised by women.

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00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 3: And he said in some of these classes that he

1099
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 3: was in that he believed in like traditional roles, and

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00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 3: he believed in like traditional marriage, which is you know,

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00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 3: dog whistles for domine cell one hundred percent, like you know,

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00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 3: and I don't like trans people or home. You know,

1103
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 3: he was homophobic. He made homophobic content or comments. He

1104
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 3: just you know, I'm just summarizing everything that he that

1105
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 3: you know that these reports say, if you're just joining us,

1106
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 3: he had hostility towards women. He was belittling, sexist, dismissive,

1107
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 3: and predatory. In fact, one of the professors said that

1108
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 3: she works with predators and she recognizes them when she

1109
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 3: sees them, and he's definitely going to be somebody that

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01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 3: they hear about. Another one said that he was probably

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01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 3: going to be a future rapist. Wow. And these are

1112
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 3: all comments that they made prior to the murders. Yes,

1113
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 3: like these aren't These aren't said in hindsight. These are

1114
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 3: said in like reports and complaints about his behavior prior

1115
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 3: to the murders. So it isn't like they're looking at

1116
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 3: the lens of history. No, they're, you know, talking about

1117
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 3: current stuff. He had a pattern of intimidation. He would stare,

1118
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 3: he would block, and he would trap people in rooms

1119
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 3: and like continue the conversation. And like, you know, he

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01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 3: lacked friends. He just had weird attempts at connections and

1121
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 3: awkward persistence. He was obsessed with crime and offenders, specifically

1122
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 3: sexual burglary, which is a term I never heard.

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Speaker 2: But you know what again, Joseph Scott Morgan kind of

1124
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 2: called this day one. He did the second this case

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01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 2: broke and we heard about the murders.

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01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 3: The suspicion.

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01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 2: The suspicion from Joseph Scott Morgan was a that it

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01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 2: was sexually charged and that likely this person would have

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01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 2: struck before or been some sort of a I don't know,

1130
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 2: this is like not the official term, but like a

1131
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 2: penny sniffer, somebody who busts into somebody's house without them

1132
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 2: knowing that they're there not to steal but to sort

1133
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 2: of go through their lingeride or or you know, go

1134
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 2: through their underwear and bras. By the way, what a

1135
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 2: sick thought. And he did that and then let themselves out.

1136
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 2: Maybe he would take a token, maybe he would steal

1137
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 2: one of their undergarments and then take that home and

1138
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 2: he would get a thrill out of it their IDs

1139
01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 2: or their ideas exactly. You also, you called that from

1140
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 2: day one. And by the way, I was the one

1141
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 2: who was really anti making sure you know, I was

1142
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 2: really anti the pylon to Brian Coberger early on because

1143
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 2: I was like, look, we can't convict this guy in

1144
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 2: the press who knows maybe he's innocent.

1145
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 3: And you were right about that, and you were right.

1146
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,479
Speaker 2: I get so grossed out by myself just thinking about

1147
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 2: it in retrospect because I was snowed.

1148
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 3: I was like, this is a nice you know, nerd.

1149
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 2: You know that was being bullied and maybe he's just

1150
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 2: being cast in this role of killer and we can't

1151
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 2: just throw away the key at until he has a

1152
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 2: fair trial. Right by way, this guy was so guilty

1153
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 2: from day one.

1154
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Speaker 3: It's a joke, right. This is true Crime tonight on iHeartRadio,

1155
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 3: where we talked true crime all the time. I'mbody movin

1156
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 3: and I'm here with Stephanieleidecker, and we got Sam and

1157
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 3: Adam on the boards, and we got Tah and the

1158
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 3: producer's chair. We are ready for your talkbacks. Give us

1159
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 3: a call, eighty eight thirty one Crime. We're right in

1160
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 3: the middle of going over some of the coburger details

1161
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 3: from the Idaho State Police document dump, and I'm just

1162
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 3: kind of summarizing some of the things that we've already

1163
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 3: been talking about. And I mentioned sexual burglary and then

1164
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 3: I heard Taha cue up his mic. He was just

1165
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 3: waking Is that everybody, because I've never heard that term.

1166
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 3: Neither have I. But it's not used in legal circles,

1167
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 3: but it is used in academia. And what it is,

1168
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 3: it's it's a study of people that it's a burglary

1169
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 3: that involves a sexual element, kind of like what Stephanie

1170
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 3: was describing. For example, an offender breaking into a home

1171
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 3: not only does still property, but to also commit a

1172
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 3: sexual assault, engaging in voyeurism, or experience sexual gratification from

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01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 3: the intrusion itself, so they get they get some sort

1174
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 3: of gratification from even entering the home where they're not

1175
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 3: supposed to be. It's it's it's kind of sneaky penetrating. Yeah, okay,

1176
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 3: monology research. It's often studies as a subtype of burglary

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01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 3: where the motivation is sexual arousal, domination, or control. And

1178
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 3: so this is literally Brian Coberger's personality and what we've

1179
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 3: learned from these reports in the summary that I just

1180
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 3: read you, he was dominating every conversation. He liked to

1181
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,959
Speaker 3: control people and block them in rooms and force them

1182
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 3: to listen. He liked to basically give lectures himself. He's,

1183
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 3: you know, kind of like me right now, I'm you know,

1184
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 3: standing up on a podium giving you you know what

1185
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 3: I mean, Like he liked you a sound of his

1186
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 3: own voice. You never make a connection like that.

1187
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 2: There is no kind of like you when talking about

1188
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 2: Brian Coberger got devil himself right, No way right.

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Speaker 3: So when witnesses in these police reports describe Brian Koberger

1190
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 3: as being interested in sexual burglary, they're referring to his

1191
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 3: criminology focus, right, But they're also referring to him if

1192
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 3: you think of like this is his total personality. He

1193
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 3: was again domineering. He liked to dominate everything. He liked

1194
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 3: everyone to know that he was the smartest one in

1195
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 3: the room. He controlled conversations. If he didn't like what

1196
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 3: you were talking about, he would change the subject to

1197
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 3: make you start talking about something that he wanted to

1198
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 3: talk about. There's so many different reports. In one report,

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01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 3: there was a guy and he said that he Brian

1200
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 3: wasn't really his friend, but he was more than an acquaintance.

1201
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 3: So he's kind of in the in between. And he

1202
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 3: got a ride from Brian Coberger and they ended up

1203
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 3: being in his car for hours in the parking lot,

1204
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 3: just talking, and Brian was venting to him saying that

1205
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 3: I don't you know, I don't have a lot of

1206
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 3: guys to talk to. And this is where he started

1207
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 3: talking about his traditional marriage values and you know, yeah,

1208
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 3: and then he said he could have he could walk

1209
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 3: into a bar and have any woman he wanted.

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01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, give me a break, his guy, He

1211
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 2: couldn't get a girl. By the way, do we think

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01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 2: in some way that this was in fact a sexually

1213
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 2: motivated event where he went in to potentially rape or

1214
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 2: sexually assault one of the girls and it kind of

1215
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 2: just went sideways, and maybe murder was not the initial intention,

1216
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 2: which brings us back to this fast decision making point

1217
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:17,959
Speaker 2: that we spoke about at the top of the first hour,

1218
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 2: where you know, he was curious. He was basically researching

1219
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 2: about other criminals and their decision making abilities in the

1220
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:31,479
Speaker 2: moment of committing a crime. And you know, body, I won't,

1221
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 2: I won't steal it from you. But no, where does

1222
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 2: that go? Where where does your brain go with that?

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01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 3: My initial thought when I learned that Brian was specifically

1224
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 3: interested in learning about the decision making processes that people

1225
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 3: go through when they're committing a crime. I thought about

1226
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 3: the survey that he did on Reddit, and then I

1227
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:52,439
Speaker 3: thought about the blood droplets in Zanna's and Maddie's room.

1228
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 3: Tell me more about the blood droplets, because I haven't fascinated

1229
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 3: by that. The blood droplets in the doorway. It's basically

1230
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 3: inside the room by the door, and they're perfectly round droplets.

1231
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 3: And I brought it up with Joseph because I knew

1232
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 3: what it meant and I wanted him to explain it.

1233
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 3: But what it means is that somebody's standing pretty still

1234
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 3: so that the blood just drips from for gravity, you know,

1235
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 3: there's no movement in these blood drops. There's no tail,

1236
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 3: there's no you know, there's it just drops, which means

1237
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 3: that you're standing there. And it made me think about

1238
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 3: Brian Coberger's decision making process. He was standing there. Now,

1239
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 3: Initially I thought he was observing what he had done,

1240
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 3: but now I think he was trying to decide what

1241
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 3: to do next exactly. Was he just listening to it? Yeah,

1242
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 3: it's like a movie poster.

1243
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 2: If you picture a movie poster with like the assailant

1244
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 2: holding the knife at their side and it's dripping with

1245
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 2: blood and they're just silent in the doorway, which is

1246
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 2: essentially what we're saying. Because the blood wasn't splattered, right,

1247
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 2: it was just dripping so he was taking a moment,

1248
01:07:58,720 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 2: he was.

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01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 3: Taking up chills right now. Thank you making decisions. Yeah,

1250
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 3: so keep it here. I'm going to continue this conversation.

1251
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 3: I hope you don't mind, Stephanie'm gonna take We're going

1252
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 3: to continue this conversation about the Brian Coberger documents from

1253
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 3: the Ido State the police. Keep it right here, true

1254
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 3: crime tonight. What was on his laptop. I'm going to

1255
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 3: let you know, keep it in here.

1256
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 2: Listen, all of these unsealed documents in the Idaho massacre

1257
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 2: have now been released or are slowly being released by

1258
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:39,600
Speaker 2: law enforcement, and it's staggering. There's so many to get to.

1259
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 2: It's like two hundred plus documents. So body and I

1260
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 2: are losing her mind real time.

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01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 3: There's a quick talk back though, Let's go to that first.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Hi there, this is Elon lay Them from Washington State.

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01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 6: I am just thinking about all these unsealed documents with

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01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:01,600
Speaker 6: all this information about BK and I'm curious what we

1265
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 6: can do with this to make things better for us

1266
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 6: and those around us in the future, because sometimes listening

1267
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 6: to these just feels like spreading hot gossip, right, you know,

1268
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 6: so true?

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01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know something that we were talking about

1270
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 3: in that last segment. I feel really kind of like

1271
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 3: something needs to change at these campuses to you know,

1272
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 3: when this kind of behavior is recognized and even commented

1273
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 3: on officially in reports like you just don't keep that

1274
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 3: guy around like I don't know, and I agree with you.

1275
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 3: In order in order for this to mean something, things

1276
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 3: have to change, right otherwise it's just us gossiping. I

1277
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 3: totally agree. And in the spirit of that, I think

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01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 3: that you know, we as a country, I don't know,

1279
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 3: really need to take a look at like you know how.

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Speaker 2: Talking laws and by the way, know for I do

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01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 2: for all us, and listen anybody that can hear our

1282
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 2: voices right now, we have to trust our spidey sense,

1283
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 2: you know, that's true.

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01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 3: Number one. You have to trust your gut.

1285
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,600
Speaker 2: And if you have a weird feeling by anybody, do

1286
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 2: not discount it by feeling like you're being impolite.

1287
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 3: You know, you were raised as women.

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01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 2: Women, Oh polite, make smiles, you know, don't never rock

1289
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 2: the ship. You know what, if someone's giving you a

1290
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 2: bad feeling and you're online somewhere, or if you think

1291
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 2: there's something fishy with the neighbor, or if you're not feeling.

1292
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 2: And again, we don't live in a scary place. These

1293
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 2: are very rare circumstances. I want to also make sure

1294
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 2: we're not perpetuating just you know, endless fear. You know,

1295
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 2: it's kind of like the Great White Shark. Right, we

1296
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 2: talk about Jaws because there aren't a ton of shark sightings. Well,

1297
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 2: I guess now they're getting more and more. But you know,

1298
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 2: my point being is, you know, being killed in this

1299
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:58,480
Speaker 2: manner is very rare, and people like this monster, Brian Coburger,

1300
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 2: are also rare, and as a result, we have to

1301
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:04,600
Speaker 2: talk about him and these types of traits so we

1302
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 2: know what to look for in the wild. Because I've

1303
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 2: said it many times, sometimes the Boogeyman is closer than

1304
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 2: we think, and sometimes it's someone we know in our

1305
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 2: immediate circle. And if just because everybody else is saying,

1306
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 2: oh yeah, uncle, so and so is amazing, or your

1307
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 2: neighbor's so lovely, if you disagree, trust your gut and

1308
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 2: keep yourself safe and let's all just look out for

1309
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 2: each other.

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01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, one thing I wanted to talk about that

1311
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 3: is in the reports, and then I'm going to move

1312
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 3: forward to the laptop. What they found on his laptop

1313
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 3: and phone. There's I need to clear something up about

1314
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 3: some headline news about something Dylan reportedly told investigators about

1315
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 3: something she heard that night. So what Dylan told the cops.

1316
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 3: It's in the PCA. The ISP report says that Dylan

1317
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,759
Speaker 3: said that she heard Brian Cooberger say the name Kaylee,

1318
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 3: which implies that there's a connection of some kind, right, Kaylee.

1319
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 3: In order to know her name, there has to be

1320
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 3: some kind of connection. And the reason I bring this

1321
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:12,679
Speaker 3: up is the person that wrote that was never talking

1322
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 3: to Dylan. The person that wrote that is never did

1323
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 3: any interviews, was never present in any of the Dylan interviews.

1324
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 3: I feel like with the news media and when I'm

1325
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 3: talking about the news me, I'm talking about you know, CNN,

1326
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 3: you know all the big ones. Okay. The detective who

1327
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 3: wrote that down in his report was not present during

1328
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 3: any of Dylan's interviews. At first, we know Dylan told

1329
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 3: Detective Blaker in detective pain that she thought she heard

1330
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 3: Kaylee crying in the bathroom, and you know, blah blah

1331
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 3: blah blah. Well, what's being reported in the report is

1332
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:52,719
Speaker 3: that Dylan said she heard the suspects say it's Okay, Kaylee,

1333
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 3: I'm going to help you, And that never happened. If

1334
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 3: you read the actual report instead of just the headline,

1335
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:04,639
Speaker 3: you'll learn that Detective Blaker provided the person that wrote

1336
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 3: this report with the narrative. Okay. So it's like it's

1337
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 3: like a bad game of telephone, is what it is exactly,

1338
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 3: which is okay, dangerous. It's so dangerous. Dylan is already

1339
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 3: under enough scrutiny by a bunch of conspiracy people who

1340
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 3: think she's involved somehow. She doesn't need ABC and CNN

1341
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 3: and News Nation Dad all these places not reading the frickin'

1342
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 3: document and just you know, reporting on the headline. Read

1343
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 3: the documents, and if and if you don't know how

1344
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 3: to read the documents and comprehendum, don't report on it.

1345
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 3: That's a fair point. Yeah, I mean that is a

1346
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 3: fair point. The detective is clearly saving this was a

1347
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:45,599
Speaker 3: narrative I was given and then he's writing it down, okay,

1348
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 3: And and Dylan is describing, Oh I think I heard

1349
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:51,879
Speaker 3: Kaylee crying in the bathroom, and the detective heard Kaylee,

1350
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 3: I'm here to help you. It never happened. It's not

1351
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 3: in any of the other it's not in the grand

1352
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 3: jury stuff. It's not in any of it's not in

1353
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 3: the PCA, it's not in anything happened. And I will

1354
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 3: die on that. Hi'll come after me. I don't care.

1355
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 2: You don't have to die on any hill and no

1356
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 2: one's coming after you.

1357
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 3: That's the good news.

1358
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,679
Speaker 2: They'll have to answer to me, and they ain't getting by,

1359
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 2: not to my girl. But you know, all that to

1360
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 2: be said, the fact that there was no real connection,

1361
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 2: I can't underscore that enough.

1362
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 3: Welling for me. It's it. But you know, when we

1363
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 3: look at like BTK or you know, on the big ones,

1364
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 3: right Ted Bundy, there was no connection to his victims either.

1365
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 3: This is what happens. It's it's too scary to think about,

1366
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:34,879
Speaker 3: but it's what happens.

1367
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 2: And it appears that it's almost intentional. It's almost intentionally.

1368
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 2: It's funny, you know, right we were. You think about

1369
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,719
Speaker 2: the fact that he had been lurking, according to Kaylee,

1370
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 2: multiple times outside the perimeter of their house in the

1371
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 2: months prior. You know, there was always those reports that

1372
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 2: Kaylee had said she was being stalked or she felt

1373
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 2: as though she was being stalked.

1374
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 3: Was that him?

1375
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 2: You know? That was again she was trusting her Spidey,

1376
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 2: since she had repeated that to several people.

1377
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:05,839
Speaker 3: She did everything correct.

1378
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 2: And this guy also down the block, was you know,

1379
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 2: creeping in other people's houses. There were these now many

1380
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 2: reports of incidents that were maybe test runs for him.

1381
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 2: And that's also really scary to think about. We can't

1382
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 2: keep our doors unlocked. That's another little takeaway, right, just

1383
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 2: to go back to our talk back. You know, those

1384
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 2: days are over, you know, and that's okay, It's okay.

1385
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 2: We have ring cameras, we have security cameras, we have

1386
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 2: each other to look after each other. But let's not

1387
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 2: like sleep with the windows open.

1388
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 3: So this is true crimetonight and iHeartRadio. I'm Boddy Moving

1389
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 3: and I'm here with Stephanie Leidecker and we're right in

1390
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 3: the middle of going over all the Brian Coberger, I guess,

1391
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 3: you know, released documents from the Idaho State Police, and

1392
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 3: I wanted to talk about the interview with Heather and

1393
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,760
Speaker 3: Jared Barnhart. They are with Celebright and they sat down

1394
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 3: with Brian Enton for his podcast on Brian Entton Investigates,

1395
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 3: and they went over some more details about things that

1396
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 3: they found looking at his phone and his computer and

1397
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 3: some of it was very, very interesting. So I think

1398
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 3: I mentioned this the other night. Brian Coberger manually powered

1399
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 3: off his phone. So he hit with an Android you

1400
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 3: have to hit the button. His phone was at one

1401
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 3: hundred percent. He clicked on Wi Fi, turned it off.

1402
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 3: He clicked on cellular device, turned it off, and then

1403
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 3: manually shut down his phone so it didn't die. There's

1404
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 3: no excuse, right, he manually shut his phone down. He

1405
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 3: only had eighteen contacts in his phone. I think we

1406
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 3: went over that already. His parents were saved as mother

1407
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 3: and father. He called and texted them obsessively, often back

1408
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 3: to back if one did not answer. On the day

1409
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 3: of the murders, he spoke with his mother for over

1410
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 3: three hours in multiple calls ranging from a few minutes

1411
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 3: to over an hour, starting around six am. In fact,

1412
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 3: when he was reported to be back in Moscow. Remember

1413
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 3: when they said he went back. The next morning, he

1414
01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 3: was on the phone with his mom. At nine am.

1415
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:02,759
Speaker 2: He was on the phone, this mom crazy, hope she talks,

1416
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 2: because honestly, that's.

1417
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:04,839
Speaker 3: A piece of the puzzle.

1418
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 2: I know that I just kind of want you know,

1419
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:10,600
Speaker 2: I've said this many times, but I remember the Columbine

1420
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 2: mom and mother of Dylan the Columbine shooter. She did

1421
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:17,480
Speaker 2: that documentary and it must have been real hard because.

1422
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 3: She's dead talks too.

1423
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she was like, you know, the face of

1424
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 2: a lot of criticism because look, she raised a boy

1425
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 2: that killed so many, but her her take on it

1426
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 2: was really important and it was takeaway you know, the

1427
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:33,600
Speaker 2: red flags that she missed and had you know, the

1428
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 2: wherewithal to share those after the fact, knowing she would

1429
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 2: get such criticism. But I hope that the Coburger family

1430
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 2: does the same, because you know, sometimes it's in your

1431
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 2: family that you might miss the signs right because you

1432
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:50,640
Speaker 2: love somebody so much you don't see it or you

1433
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 2: don't want to see it. And obviously, now given where

1434
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:57,560
Speaker 2: we are, I bet they have plenty to say a

1435
01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 2: bad things.

1436
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 3: And I have I have a lot more to Oh,

1437
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,639
Speaker 3: you do you've come to the right I'm waiting to interrupt.

1438
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 3: I'm like, only three minutes. I got to go. So

1439
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:11,560
Speaker 3: December twenty nine, he started searching for terms like psychopath, paranoia,

1440
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:15,639
Speaker 3: serial killer, and wire tapping. That same morning, he read

1441
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 3: a New York Times article that like described his car

1442
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 3: perfectly right, everything perfectly Guess what he did, He started

1443
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 3: looking for car detailing and selling the car that was

1444
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 3: not white and not a Hunde like he wanted to

1445
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 3: get rid of this car. He wanted to get a

1446
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 3: used one or something else. He wanted to get something else.

1447
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 3: And then right after that, right after he started searching

1448
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 3: for the car, he started searching for news updates on

1449
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 3: the Idaho homicides right after, like right after he cleared

1450
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:48,839
Speaker 3: a lot of his browsing history. But autophill preserves your searches,

1451
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 3: you know, like sometimes when your side and it fills

1452
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 3: in for you. And he was again this is proven.

1453
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:58,759
Speaker 3: The terms he was looking for were noncnsxual sex, rape,

1454
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 3: voyeurism by the way, sexual burglary, Tom Ye, keeping Tom drugged,

1455
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 3: and unconscious partners keeping Tom stuff Right, so only a

1456
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 3: handful of saved wi Fi is mainly from WSU. There

1457
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 3: was Google maps cash that showed an interest in the

1458
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 3: mad Greek, but no actual Wi Fi connection had occurred,

1459
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:23,679
Speaker 3: so they cleared that up. So it was the Google

1460
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:27,799
Speaker 3: Maps cash. He was interested around something in that area

1461
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 3: around the Magreek restaurant, which is very interesting and this

1462
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:34,520
Speaker 3: is really weird. He took a lot of selfies shirtless

1463
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 3: flexing in the mirror, apparently for himself. He never sent

1464
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:42,639
Speaker 3: these to anyone, but there were numerous, numerous The people

1465
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 3: Heather and Jared Barnhardt who were describing this said it

1466
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 3: reminded them of American Psycho that was yeah, or like

1467
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:50,599
Speaker 3: the What's the Joker?

1468
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 2: You know from that movie where he's so obsessed with

1469
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 2: his body he's losing his mind.

1470
01:19:56,360 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 3: Right, this tracks on Christmas night. He was is downloading

1471
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:03,679
Speaker 3: the Danny Rowling stuff over and over and over again,

1472
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 3: and he also looked for Danny Rolling in November. So

1473
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 3: he was really interested in the Gainesville Ripper, which is

1474
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 3: very interesting because he also used a kmar. He was

1475
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:16,440
Speaker 3: on Reddit. He engaged in threads about X cons and prisons,

1476
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 3: asking for volunteers to do surveys, which we now all know.

1477
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 3: The music I am not the music. Listen, this is

1478
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 3: the good news. We have two hours every night. Don't

1479
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 3: you worry.

1480
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:27,760
Speaker 2: We're just scratching the surface. Kids, you've come to the

1481
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 2: right place. Turns out you're on a chat show. Oh

1482
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:34,759
Speaker 2: you have plenty of time. There ain't no music kicking

1483
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 2: you off, kid, right, well, this night has flown by

1484
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 2: like a blink of an eye. Listen, I know we

1485
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 2: can't say it enough.

1486
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 3: Tomorrow was talk back Tuesday. Kids.

1487
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 2: We want you to send in your talkbacks, leave us

1488
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 2: your voicemails, hit us up on socials. We want to

1489
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 2: hear your opinions. It's all about you tomorrow, right.

1490
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 3: Body, Yeah, I want to know, like what did I miss?

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Speaker 3: Did I miss some key takeaway in these documents? You know,

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Speaker 3: like or do you feel differently about something? Let us know,

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Speaker 3: Like I need to listen. I really believe in the

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Speaker 3: power of crowdsourcing. Okay, I really really really do, and

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Speaker 3: so tell me what I missed. I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: be offended, like.

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Speaker 11: No, of course you're not about Okay, really this huge

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Speaker 11: fans show down. I think the true perm and chill

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Speaker 11: is the best option.

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Speaker 3: Have a good night yet, Oh that's true. That's the

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Speaker 3: one I wanted. That is the Now listen, you can't

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Speaker 3: tell everybody what you wanted. It's gonna gonna I'm in charge.

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Speaker 2: You're what is it called your swaying the audience?

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Speaker 3: That's okay, what does the lawyer do? You can't lead

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Speaker 3: the witness. I'm not a lawyer, oh fair, I'm an analyst.

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Speaker 3: So if you go to our Instagram and the Instagram

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Speaker 3: is at True Crime Tonight's show, and you go to

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Speaker 3: our story and you'll be able to vote on a

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Speaker 3: name for the documentary watch club, and right now my

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Speaker 3: choice is winning. I just want to throw it out there.

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Speaker 3: Let's keep you I can, I might be folding. Please

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Speaker 3: go and vote on our Instagram. It's at True Crime

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Speaker 3: Tonight's show on Instagram. And while you're there, give us

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Speaker 3: a little follow and then, you know, just vote on

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Speaker 3: our little pole there and name the segment so that

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Speaker 3: when we are saying, oh, now it's time for watch

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Speaker 3: party Wednesday or whatever. I don't know part Wednesday. Just

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Speaker 3: made that up. I just made it up. Okay, I

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Speaker 3: didn't want to see the audience. Okay, I already got

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Speaker 3: in that, but.

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Speaker 6: You know to.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, please go vote. That would make me really happy

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Speaker 3: and put a smile on my face if we got

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Speaker 3: a lot of votes on We have a lot of

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Speaker 3: votes so far, but we need more and keep help

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Speaker 3: me in the segment. Keep it coming, and I'm excited

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Speaker 3: to start diving into this with you guys. I've been

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Speaker 3: holding out watching all the documentaries because I need you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to get ahead. Yeah, so anyway, we.

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Speaker 2: Need something to watch. And by the way, leave us

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Speaker 2: some happy stories too. If you have any good news

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Speaker 2: to share, feel free to throw. So everybody's shaking their

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01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 2: head now to hear what kind of downer group is this?

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Adam. I mean, please let there be some light.

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Speaker 3: Some light.

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Speaker 2: My stepdad, Elliott, had a great surgery. He's out, So

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Speaker 2: I'm sending lots of love.

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Speaker 3: You wanted to say Happy birthday.

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Speaker 2: I love their way, and happy birthday to bodies Indie.

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Speaker 3: You are true love.

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Speaker 2: It's so fun to be on the journey with you.

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Speaker 3: So okay, yes, love it.

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Speaker 8: I know that you mentioned doc shows, but we can

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Speaker 8: also talk about podcasts, and I think there's something interesting

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Speaker 8: you have on Wednesday happening.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Idaho massacre. We can totally talk about that.

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Speaker 2: We can definitely unpack some of the new developments and

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Speaker 2: some of the teases for season three. We hope you'll listen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe some guests that you've got or because I

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Speaker 3: don't even know, like some fancy snancy guests that you've got.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I can't wait to discuss it. Might see,

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to discuss it. Yes, so and again

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01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:02,799
Speaker 2: more in these sealed documents. We'll be unpacking those all week.

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Speaker 3: To go over with you guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh well, I know you feel as though we

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Speaker 2: haven't even scratched the surface. We were thinking about doing

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Speaker 2: a twenty four hour show.

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01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 3: What do you think? Who's in? Who's with me? It's

1559
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 3: just me like I'm ready, profusely smoking at my desk,

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01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:19,679
Speaker 3: reading documents of ashes, hanging out.

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Speaker 8: You know true detective friends Cynthia from Canada, she can

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Speaker 8: get on board.

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01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 3: We get a whole team of people to work.

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Speaker 2: With this exactly. She'd be great, she'd be so good

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Speaker 2: our True Crime crew. Thank you for listening and for

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Speaker 2: keeping all the pinions coming. We want more of them.

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Speaker 2: Please stay safe tonight, have a wonderful evening, and we'll

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Speaker 2: be back tomorrow live. And if you've missed any of

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Speaker 2: the podcasts, please don't sweat it. Just catch us, you know,

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Speaker 2: miss any of the live show, catch us as a

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Speaker 2: podcast right after.

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Speaker 3: And we will be back tomorrow. We'll see you then.

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Speaker 2: This is true Crime Tonight, talking true crime all the time.

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