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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Hi? Everybody, welcome to are You a Charlotte?

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Speaker 1: We are looking at season three, episode seventeen, so it's

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Speaker 1: three seventeen. What Goes Around Comes Around? Air date October eighth,

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Speaker 1: two thousand. This is a great, great episode and I

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Speaker 1: have many things to confess about it. One is that

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Speaker 1: I always thought that the episode where Carrie loses Aiden's

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Speaker 1: dog and goes through running through the village, I thought

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Speaker 1: that was called What Goes Around Comes Around? But no,

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Speaker 1: in fact I was wrong. This episode is called what

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Speaker 1: Goes Around Comes Around and is equally as good. I

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Speaker 1: have to say, maybe not quite as good. It might

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Speaker 1: not unseat that episode is my all time favorite, but

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Speaker 1: it's a very very good episode. It was written by

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Speaker 1: Darren Starr, directed by Alan Colter. This is the episode

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Speaker 1: where Carrie is held up at gunpoint in Soho basically

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Speaker 1: looking for West Broadway, which is really funny and a

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Speaker 1: little bit weird, and she loses her baguette and her

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Speaker 1: Manolo Blonnis and her ring in her watch and then

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Speaker 1: a very handsome detective comes and then Miranda ends up

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Speaker 1: dating him Meanwhile, Samantha ends up having a little dalliance

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Speaker 1: with someone named Sam Jones, which is also very interesting.

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Speaker 1: And then also Charlotte is in Connecticut with the mcdougles. Now, honestly,

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Speaker 1: I remembered almost none of this, so it was really

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Speaker 1: really interesting for me to watch it. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if we're just so tired by this point in the

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Speaker 1: season that I can't remember anything, but it was like

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Speaker 1: highly enjoyable. And I did laugh out loud a few times,

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Speaker 1: so that was really fun. So it starts with all

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Speaker 1: of us out to lunch at an actual restaurant, not

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Speaker 1: the coffee shop, and I am wearing a purple dulcha

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Speaker 1: and gabana dress and my nails are painted purple. And

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Speaker 1: this is what I do remember this season. This episode, Sarah,

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Speaker 1: Jeska and I were on the corner. I don't know

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Speaker 1: I am a Southern girl at heart, right, So I thought,

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Speaker 1: like I'm wearing this purple dress, I should paint my

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Speaker 1: a grape color, which you see me waving my hands

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Speaker 1: around at the coffee shop. You know, questionable, definitely questionable,

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Speaker 1: did not remember the storyline at all for Charlot, which

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Speaker 1: we'll get to where I literally kiss a gardener, which

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Speaker 1: It's all very interesting and slightly sad, but we'll get

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