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Speaker 1: So let me take you back first. Let me tell

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Speaker 1: I missed that. She Um. She and I took very

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Speaker 1: She's like one of those twenty somethings that buys her

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Speaker 1: was surprised to hear that she started business. She started

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Speaker 1: is selling lu lu row lu lu row if you

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Speaker 1: I get very protective, I get very defensive, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: and Brad's like laughing as I'm watching YouTube YouTube video

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Speaker 1: watched countless hours of these testimonial videos and like individual women,

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Speaker 1: But what we want to unpack today is the facts

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Speaker 1: industry reports have shown that seventy six percent of multi

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Speaker 1: ends up happening is people are like breaking friendships over this.

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Speaker 1: People are like not talking to family after this, because

431
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 1: if you're winning, it might mean that someone else below you. Um,

432
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: that's so interesting. And there's this there's this website called

433
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Speaker 1: Pink Truth dot com. It's basically an open form for

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00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: women who sell Mary Kay to talk about their experiences,

435
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 1: to share, you know, basically share the truth about it.

436
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: And one of the things I found so interesting is

437
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Speaker 1: that someone on this website says that Mary kay understand

438
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: ends that getting husbands to buy into the idea of

439
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: Mary kay Um when their wife is pretty much guaranteed

440
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: to lose money is key. So they actually have this

441
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: letter that's like that, it's like a form letter that

442
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 1: you would their husbands where it's like, thank you so

443
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: much for sharing white your name here with with us

444
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: as she goes on this journey to like help improve

445
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: women's skincare and selp this team, and it's like that.

446
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 1: It's so interesting to me how selling your friends and family,

447
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: even if you're not selling them on like joy a

448
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: company with you or the product, selling them that this

449
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: is going to be a good move is like baked,

450
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: you know, to the program. You know why they have

451
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: to do that because so many people like us are

452
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: like this, don't do it because they know as soon

453
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Speaker 1: as your friend probably knew as soon as she was

454
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Speaker 1: like she did, I'm selling that you were going to

455
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Speaker 1: be like judging? Are you? And You're They're like, this

456
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,719
Speaker 1: is my bestie. I don't want to be judging, right.

457
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: I want to be curious and I want to be

458
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Speaker 1: a geek and I do my homework. So and I'm

459
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Speaker 1: gonna watch ten YouTube videos like ten come on ten

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Speaker 1: hours of so I'm I'm unfortunately, like most of the

461
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,719
Speaker 1: news is not good on these things. And there's an

462
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Speaker 1: element to this that is especially troubling in my opinion,

463
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: because it actually it borders not just on cultiness, it

464
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 1: borders on capitalizing on people's spiritual belief in their ability

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Speaker 1: to succeed. Definitely. So the founders of Lularo are Mormons.

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Speaker 1: And so something that I found that was very interesting

467
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Speaker 1: in this research is that a lot of for a

468
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Speaker 1: lot of Mormon women, Mormon women are a lot less

469
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Speaker 1: likely to work outside of the home. So I was

470
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Speaker 1: reading in this specific Standard article, UM it says the

471
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Speaker 1: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints often encourages

472
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Speaker 1: mothers to stay home with their children, and as a result,

473
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Speaker 1: Mormon women are less likely to work from home than

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Speaker 1: your average than their average American counterparts, Mormon women are

475
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Speaker 1: more likely to do to work part time and more

476
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Speaker 1: to identify themselves as housewives. And so you could really

477
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,439
Speaker 1: see how if you are a Mormon woman, um, you

478
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Speaker 1: are more likely to be a housewife and stay at

479
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Speaker 1: home mom. That this kind of work that allows you

480
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: to stay in your house and not leave your kids

481
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: would be very very appealing. It's less shameful than saying

482
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 1: I'm I'm you know, poor me, I have to go

483
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: to work every day. Totally. And it actually says here

484
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: in Christianity today that MLMs are regarded by conservative Christians

485
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: as more more honorable option for women than normal part

486
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: part time or full time work. And so basically like

487
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Speaker 1: if you were going to work in a bank or

488
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: a clothing store at them all, somehow that is seen

489
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Speaker 1: as less saying like maybe your husband doesn't make enough

490
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Speaker 1: money take care of you, but if you're doing an

491
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: MLM from home and how that's yeah, that's more. That's more, okay, Yeah,

492
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Speaker 1: And I mean there's a lot baked into this around

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Speaker 1: shame and women's you know, ideal roles either in the

494
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Speaker 1: home or outside of the home. Um. And I think

495
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: what's interesting is these MLMs and also pyramid schemes like

496
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: women helping women really like rely on selling you on

497
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: the commune totally like that that more out in the

498
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: research so much like you've had these women who were

499
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 1: either stay at home moms or they were moving across

500
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: the country for um, you know, school or other kinds

501
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: of programs where they felt like they didn't have that

502
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: sort of like woman bonding community. And as you know

503
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: from an earlier episode, friends are important that you have

504
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: to have friends in your life, like that is a

505
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: proven thing that helps us psychologically live our lives. And

506
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: so they basically got involved in these in mlm s

507
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: because it gave them that outlet for you know, adult

508
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: interaction with that they weren't getting otherwise. Like you know, well,

509
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: you know where else you get that typically is in

510
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: your organized religion, right, I mean, that's one of the

511
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: huge hallmarks of organized religion in this country, especially as

512
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: many different churches and synagogues and organized religion communities are

513
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: you know, having trouble with recruitment into like with the

514
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: millennial generation in particular. This is filling the void. This

515
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 1: is stepping in as an alternative, but doing so with

516
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: the same tools and tactics all the way up to tithing, right,

517
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: Like it's the same exact model um and and follow

518
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: through with the spiritual component of you have to believe

519
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: it to see it or to be it, you know

520
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like a lot of the YouTube testimonial

521
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: and man, I fell down a rabbit hole that I'm

522
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: not proud of, Like I mean spent like all night

523
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 1: one night watching there were women who are crying on

524
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: their YouTube videos because they are communicating on YouTube. They're

525
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: like they're talking to one another and finding support in

526
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: the YouTube community, saying I know that I can do this.

527
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: I know that I have what it takes. I know

528
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: that I have to put in my time and build

529
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: my network. But I'm just, you know, I'm failing. And

530
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: this shame of warehousing or garage status is John Oliver's

531
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: Peace sort of pointed to women who have you know,

532
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: are literally stockpiling warehousing in their houses. They feel like

533
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: they're just not believing in themselves enough, or that's what

534
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: they're being taught by some people. And I think you're

535
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: you hit right on the head where you kind of

536
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: identity five that these are the same hallmarks of organized

537
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: religion is guilt. You know, that's literally we're a little

538
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: biased when religion. The first thing that comes up in

539
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: my head is guilt. Um. But yeah, I mean when

540
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: you even look at the you know, rhetoric of their pitches,

541
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: it's so it's reminds me so much of reading like

542
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: you know, Bible study right quotes where it's like on

543
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: the one hand very inspiring, like this can change your work,

544
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: you can pay off debt, you can empower women, and

545
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: you can be your own boss. You can live for me.

546
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: There's this awesome article that I highly recommend reading too

547
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: for the geeks out there like me who are just

548
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: like you know, dying to know everything about this industry.

549
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: That I thought there was a very level handed case

550
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: made in Christianity today. Um about thirty one what's it

551
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: called thirty one gifts? Gifts? Thirty one Gifts is like

552
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: a purse ish company that brought in six hundred forty

553
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: three million last year, which is more than vera Bradley. Okay,

554
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: Like these are big companies, bigger than household names. And

555
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: the article is called the Divine and Rise of Multi

556
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: Level Marketing and they, you know, there's through two reporters

557
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: with bylines here Kate Shalnott, Hannah Anderson really take a

558
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: deep look at how these are nothing to scoff at,

559
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: Like these are companies who are killing it and it's

560
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: coming to a church near you. They talk about how

561
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: Christian women in particular, um that network through your church

562
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: and become instrumental for distributors. That makes me want to

563
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: throw up that. I mean, I just feel like it's

564
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: really taking this thing that like should be a sacred

565
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: network that you have and being like, oh, here's how

566
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: you can monetize that network, sell and sell. Like and

567
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: it's like I think about the church that I grew

568
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: up in, where it's like so many sweet little old

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00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: ladies who like if I came to them and was like,

570
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: can you buy this thing? They would totally would do

571
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: it exactly. It's like, you know, I just think like that,

572
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's in my mind, it's perverting something

573
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: that I think should be very very pure and then

574
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: like not that that's the only way that those pure things. Yeah,

575
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: and I think it's also in this great article for

576
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: Christianity today, they talked about how this is spoiling the

577
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: relationships of many people who are in the same religious groups.

578
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: So this this can have negative consequences beyond financial risk,

579
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: It can have negative consequences when it comes to your

580
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: individual relationships. So it's not good. Ladies like I am

581
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: not convinced and I am open minded. I swear to you,

582
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: I really want to hear both sides of this argument.

583
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: But when I'm looking out there for credible journalistic sources.

584
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: There's almost no one other than the occasional um occasional

585
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: like self published medium post about why this is a

586
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: good thing. So when we come back from this break,

587
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about how to keep your eyes

588
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: wide open when you are approached with an opportunity to

589
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: pay off debt and be your own boss and empower

590
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: women and change your life that could be. So it's

591
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 1: it's too good to be true, and in fact, that

592
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: is what we are saying. So we'll be right back

593
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: in just a second. So I know that we've just

594
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time raining on the MLM parade,

595
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: but we wanted to also give some advice for folks

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00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: who do want to have a side hustle. Because there's

597
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with wanting to make you know, extra money,

598
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: for wanting to have an outlet. You know, that's a

599
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: good thing. Like we don't want to you know, trash

600
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: that that's great. So one thing that I cannot cannot

601
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: cannot stress enough is be cautious with your side hustle.

602
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: Right like, do your due diligence, Google YouTube, check out

603
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: the Better Business Bureau, right like, get a good sampling

604
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: of stories and people's experiences with whatever organization you're about

605
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: to do, just like anything else, right, like which I

606
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: recommend all job seekers to do any deformer employees, talk

607
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: to current employees totally, and like, you know, don't just

608
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: rely on the person that's like trying to bring you

609
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: in to be forthright with you about what the vibe

610
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: is on this situation. And I think at the same

611
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: time that we're railing against these companies, we also want

612
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: to make it clear that we are not railing against

613
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: the women who are in the thick of it and

614
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: who are trying to recruit, because we get it, you're

615
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: dealing with a tough financial choice and that is the

616
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: avenue to success in MLMs and pyramid schemes. And so

617
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, I have a lot of I think my

618
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: my personal feelings towards women in these feelings, like in

619
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: these um structures, is more one of empathy and like, man,

620
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that this is what you're trying to hawk

621
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: right now, I'm not gonna buy sorry, how can I

622
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: help otherwise? How can you we get you a job

623
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: that's different. It's like I hate the don't hate the player,

624
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: hate the game, don't hate the women who are doing

625
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,239
Speaker 1: this right, like we get it, we get it, just

626
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: like everybody is different from their job title. I know

627
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 1: that's hard to remember in America, Like you are not

628
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: your job. Like shout out to the women who are

629
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: n m l ms or who have gotten out of

630
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: m l m s or thinking about getting into m

631
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: l m s. I think you are worthy of like

632
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 1: love and belonging and connection and support and a living

633
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: wage without being a part of an m l M.

634
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: That's just my philosophy there. And then the other thing

635
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 1: to keep in mind is that they're not all created equal,

636
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: not all m lms or pyramid schemes, not all pyramids games,

637
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: all pyramids schemes are illegal, so they're not all as

638
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: restrictive as one another. So look into Lulu Ro's very

639
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: rapidly changing policies on returns, like how much money will

640
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: you get back if you stockpile and need to get out?

641
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: Like what is the actual amount of risk that you're

642
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 1: taking on? Some are more like a traditional franchise model,

643
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: like selling a subway sandwich and paying subway headquarters for

644
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Speaker 1: the napkins every month that you need to have because

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Speaker 1: they only let you have their expensive napkins. Also just

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Speaker 1: an fy I, if you're going to wear those leggings,

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Speaker 1: be sure to wear full butt underwear if you're going

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Speaker 1: to be in public. That's just a little from me.

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Speaker 1: You're you know what's freaking me out because I think

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Speaker 1: one of the things I stumbled upon while is doing

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Speaker 1: my lu lar Ro research was a podcast in which

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Speaker 1: they were literally having the same kind of leggings, the

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Speaker 1: leggings like exposing someone's ass like it was all out,

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Speaker 1: full full. I'm not the only one that has happened.

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Speaker 1: Now google it. Yeah yeah, yeah, So I mean we

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Speaker 1: could do a whole episode on leggings. We could doing it.

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Speaker 1: It's happening, Yeah, go ahead. So yeah, just another in

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Speaker 1: addition to the leggings, an underwear thing. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: too good to be true, probably is, right, Like if

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Speaker 1: someone is selling you this idea that you can work

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Speaker 1: pay off all your debt, pay off your student loans,

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Speaker 1: become rich, like all of these things that Shoul's in

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Speaker 1: the red flag up that you should do some research

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Speaker 1: because again, if if if that was true, wouldn't everybody

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Speaker 1: be doing it? So just keep that in mind, and

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Speaker 1: you know that advice reminds me of actually Warren Buffett,

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Speaker 1: of all people who's like probably so far from lu

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Speaker 1: La Row on the business spectrum that it's comical. But

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Speaker 1: you know, Warren Buffett is this prolific investor, and he

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Speaker 1: had some great advice for investing. He said, if I

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Speaker 1: don't understand how a company makes money, I don't invest

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Speaker 1: in it. So, if it sounds too good to be true,

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Speaker 1: if they're just manufacturing cash money out of thin air,

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Speaker 1: and it's not clear where the value is going and

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Speaker 1: who the customer bases other than other distributors, be like

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Speaker 1: Warren and be cautious, right, be skeptical. It's a healthy

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Speaker 1: amount of skepticism. And if you are skeptical with other

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Speaker 1: distributors and they start, you know, gaslighting you and making

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Speaker 1: you feel like an idiot, making you feel like you're bad, like,

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Speaker 1: don't let that shame based pressure pressure you into joining

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Speaker 1: anyone of these. So I think macro level solution once again,

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Speaker 1: which I think we find ourselves saying very often here

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Speaker 1: be is that what women really need to be successful

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Speaker 1: economically are policies that protect women. Things like equal pay

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Speaker 1: for equal work totally, things like paid parental leave, policies

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Speaker 1: so that men and women can have kids without sacrificing

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Speaker 1: their entire career trajectories. And flexible work for all, like

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Speaker 1: including shift workers, including workers at minimum wage. Like flexibility

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Speaker 1: matters for men and women who want to find a

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Speaker 1: healthy amount of work life balance without you know, having

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Speaker 1: to talk leggings to slang leggings totally. And I think,

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Speaker 1: like for me, if we had better workplace policies and

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Speaker 1: and sort of better pay all for women, people wouldn't

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Speaker 1: feel like they had to do this right Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: feel yeah, I could not agree more. And I hope

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Speaker 1: that our listeners and our fan base know that like,

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Speaker 1: this is a safe space. Sventy's community is a safe

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Speaker 1: space for you to be candid with us about you know,

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Speaker 1: where we're what we're overlooking here and um, if this

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Speaker 1: if an MLM has been a vehicle for you to

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Speaker 1: empowerment and financial freedom, I want to really genuinely we

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Speaker 1: want to hear from you. Um, so don't forget that

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Speaker 1: you know we are listening on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast.

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Speaker 1: We are excited to get your emails telling us about

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Speaker 1: your experience with with MLMs or pyramid schemes, good, bad,

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Speaker 1: We think so, you think so, I hope. So I

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Speaker 1: think we maybe not justice, Maybe that's not the right.

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Speaker 1: We brought them to justice. Alright, ladies, we can't wait

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