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Speaker 1: consider a long drive to my fire tree standing well,
Speaker 1: I'm here with Ted Nugent, Mr. Ted Nugent, and you
Speaker 1: feel right at home, don't you do. It's almost like
Speaker 1: opening day of deer season twenty four, seven, three, sixty
Speaker 1: five and in my case seventy two. I have my
Speaker 1: seventies second opening day this year. How lucky and prioritized
Speaker 1: to my clay nucom excellent, excellent, well you wouldn't remember this,
Speaker 1: but I didn't meet you in two thousand, just a
Speaker 1: guy in a line. You came to Northwest Arkansas, and
Speaker 1: um you did, uh you did like a hunter expo. Sure,
Speaker 1: I just walked by in line and just shook your hands.
Speaker 1: I remember your your good looks, but I did. You
Speaker 1: were Clay nucom my spirit of the mystical Flight of
Speaker 1: the Era Brothers. So you know I and you mentioned that,
Speaker 1: and you can tell that I'm high energy and I'm
Speaker 1: a happy guy and I'm really alive. It's because of
Speaker 1: those kinds of connection. Is that I've been just humbled
Speaker 1: and privileged to have where people share that spirit, that
Speaker 1: God family, country, hunting, nature, conservation, and they really expressed that.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that even in a moment hello handshake. I'm
Speaker 1: sure that at an event, especially a hunting expo, I'm
Speaker 1: sure that attitude and that connection, that brotherhood, even though
Speaker 1: it might be a quick handshaker and autograph or hey,
Speaker 1: here's a picture of my dear. Um, I tell you
Speaker 1: I take all those two heart. And I've been clean
Speaker 1: and sober for seventy two years. So my radar still
Speaker 1: works and my memory still works, and mostly the result
Speaker 1: of a quality of life clean and sober, is that
Speaker 1: your spirit miss is very little. And so I I
Speaker 1: have those connections in all fifty states, every Comedian province,
Speaker 1: where in all my European travels, African travels, that human
Speaker 1: connection what a blessing. Huh you know? Yeah? You uh,
Speaker 1: So you're you're still traveling and turning. Yeah, well, you
Speaker 1: know the Chinese this year, But yeah, I last year, Clay,
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? The music made me do. It
Speaker 1: was the name of my record, my tour with Jason
Speaker 1: Heartless on drums. So you're still you're still writing music? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't stop. Can't see these weapons of
Speaker 1: mass construction. I I fondled my bow and arrow, my dogs,
Speaker 1: my guitars, my trucks, and my beautiful wife. I I
Speaker 1: embraced that essence of all those things that still at
Speaker 1: my old age, it's still really turns me on. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I played my guitar every day. I love it. I
Speaker 1: went down to Texas Metal just wrench gods that create
Speaker 1: these masterpiece trucks and stuff. And while I was there
Speaker 1: for their TV show, I played the star Spangled banner
Speaker 1: and some grinding animal breeding soundtrack MotorCity Licks and uh
Speaker 1: so everybody. There's a great musical connection obviously, and I
Speaker 1: still love that stuff, you know, does your So you're
Speaker 1: very passionate about your music, but you're obviously very passionate
Speaker 1: about your hunting. Where where where did those intersect? Or
Speaker 1: which one would uh, which one has more influence inside
Speaker 1: of your life? Well, they would be asking me which
Speaker 1: which flag you want to cut off? You know, I
Speaker 1: was born in Detroit And a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: know this because they probably went to school in America.
Speaker 1: Detroit was the arsenal of democracy. That would have you
Speaker 1: heard that term? See you were you were anti educated
Speaker 1: in America. A bunch of things you haven't heard about.
Speaker 1: Detroit arsenal of democracy, that herculean work, ethic and patriotism
Speaker 1: and drive of excellence and productivity. So you're an asset
Speaker 1: to your family. Instead of making trucks and cars, Detroit
Speaker 1: started making tanks and howitzers and Emma and bombs and jets.
Speaker 1: So that spirit of victory over the evil Japanese Empire
Speaker 1: and the Nazis? Can you imagine a more positive celebration
Speaker 1: in a human experience the world was jeopardized? Life itself
Speaker 1: in Detroit was a manufacturing powerhouse, so that work ethic
Speaker 1: permeated everybody. I think, not just Detroit, but all across America,
Speaker 1: but Detroit. It was so um universal, so ubiquitous, especially
Speaker 1: with my mom and dad the discipline factor. But my
Speaker 1: dad clay hands are in their hands. There's here's the
Speaker 1: moment of infamy. My dad was already a follower of
Speaker 1: Fred Bear and a bow hunter when I was born
Speaker 1: in and Les Paul had just electrified the guitar a
Speaker 1: few years earlier. And it was at that time that
Speaker 1: Chuck Berry and Bow did the and Lonnie mc and
Speaker 1: Dwaine Eddie started unleashing these noises, these intensities that had
Speaker 1: never been accomplished on any other instrument. I fake a
Speaker 1: keyboard thing. They wish they could bend to note like
Speaker 1: we do. And so what an aura, What a firestorm
Speaker 1: of inspiration, the mystical flight of the air which every kid,
Speaker 1: of course, every child had a bone arrow, and the
Speaker 1: red rider be begun. I actually have one right there,
Speaker 1: my daisy. Red Rider b begun. So every kid and
Speaker 1: every we all made sling shots, we all cut were
Speaker 1: you you were in the city of Detroit, It wasn't
Speaker 1: like rural. Your dad would go up north, and that's
Speaker 1: a big thing in Michigan, go up north. So these
Speaker 1: guys worked down in the cities in the southern part
Speaker 1: of the state and then went up and hunted the north.
Speaker 1: But unique to my birth in Detroit was Detroit proper.
Speaker 1: You could see the skyline, but the Rouge River flowed
Speaker 1: through the area, which is why Detroit and every major
Speaker 1: city was founded. You needed waterway. Well that waterway still
Speaker 1: winded through the entire area that even into the suburbs
Speaker 1: and beyond. And it was a wildlife paradise. The pheasants,
Speaker 1: the quail. There were no deer at all, but beavers
Speaker 1: and coons and possums and muskrats and skunks and river
Speaker 1: rats and in in squirrels and ducks and geese and
Speaker 1: record just all this wild life that mesmerized me. And
Speaker 1: with my homemade sling shot and some really good looking
Speaker 1: marbles and pebbles, I learned the stocking, stealth excitement, and
Speaker 1: especially with homemade bows and arrows. And I still have
Speaker 1: my first nineteen fifty five you would long bow. I
Speaker 1: still have it from were you naturally like a really
Speaker 1: good shot? I mean like Mike I've got I've got
Speaker 1: two boys, two girls, and a couple of them. You
Speaker 1: can just tell are naturally more inclined to just pick
Speaker 1: up a bow, you know, when they were four years
Speaker 1: old and hit what they're aiming at. Were you pretty?
Speaker 1: Were you natural? Clay? I wish I was still that natural.
Speaker 1: I'm not kiding you. You should do an interview with
Speaker 1: my cousin Mark Was. We were on a NonStop safari
Speaker 1: from the time I had the socks of a Grand
Speaker 1: Slam by the time I was eight um, And I'm
Speaker 1: not kidding you her stories of Howard Hills shooting doves
Speaker 1: and rabbits. I actually know that Doug Walker, who hunted
Speaker 1: with Howard on the Islands of California, he would have
Speaker 1: an arrow in his hand. Everything was back quiver. Fred
Speaker 1: hadn't invented the boat quiver yet. And Doug Walker would
Speaker 1: tell me how they would go for walks and if
Speaker 1: he saw a sitting rabbit, Howard Hill wouldn't let him
Speaker 1: shoot it. He'd take his first arrow and and get
Speaker 1: it running and half drawn. Yes, and he and Doug
Speaker 1: said he didn't ever remember him missing. So I don't
Speaker 1: want to claim to be Howard Hill, and I wasn't
Speaker 1: and I'm know Fred Bear, but as a kid, I
Speaker 1: had such an zero baggage free spirit of han after
Speaker 1: millions of arrows, if you got all the time, and
Speaker 1: I shooted everything, I shooted a bug, I shooted an
Speaker 1: ant mound. I would shoot uh. At Miller's feed Store
Speaker 1: on Grand River in Detroit, after the hunting season, you
Speaker 1: could buy port Orford cedar arrows with these beautiful natural
Speaker 1: turkey feathers, you know, hard helical shield cut with a
Speaker 1: big old hundred forty grain field tip ten cents up
Speaker 1: piece clay. I would collect enough bottles and I'd cut
Speaker 1: enough lawn where I could get three or four in
Speaker 1: them babies, which back then it was a quiverful. And
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, even when I break them, we'd we'd
Speaker 1: lose the tip or we'd get that heat glue. But
Speaker 1: I would just get my pocket knife and just whittle them,
Speaker 1: and it didn't matter how long it was, because I
Speaker 1: could just hit stuff at quarter draws. You'd learned this,
Speaker 1: it is, it's an instinct. Shoot you shooting split fingers,
Speaker 1: shooting split fingers, That's yeah, That's what my dad learned
Speaker 1: from a lot of guys are shooting three under these days.
Speaker 1: I did that a lot. And if you shoot compounds,
Speaker 1: or I suppose under any circumstances that apache draw gives
Speaker 1: you a rifle barrel, that's what they're doing. Great. Even
Speaker 1: though there's a little bit of a gap. Um there,
Speaker 1: you're almost rifle barrel. And I do teach people. I
Speaker 1: taught a lot of people, introduced a lot of people,
Speaker 1: and I give them a twenty five pound re curve
Speaker 1: so it's mushy, so that this isn't an effort and
Speaker 1: just point like at your finger. And of course they'll
Speaker 1: always shoot high the first few times because they're not
Speaker 1: doing a gap. They don't realize that the angles here here. Um.
Speaker 1: But I've turned so many people on with a lightweight,
Speaker 1: graceful non compound that they and I started him at
Speaker 1: ten twelve feet at a big thing, so they learn
Speaker 1: to every every step in life is an adjustment, so
Speaker 1: your next step is a little more efficient this way.
Speaker 1: I look at archery and the joy Sarah, Governor Palin,
Speaker 1: all these young boys and girls, heroes of the military,
Speaker 1: friends of my sons and daughters. Um, they're all for
Speaker 1: every humans fascinated by projectiles and how that's how we survives. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and once you put a bow in air on their hand,
Speaker 1: they become hooked, but not not if they start with
Speaker 1: a compound that they have to struggle it all with
Speaker 1: and you don't give him a release in a loop
Speaker 1: that you need to discover the primal archery. I think,
Speaker 1: to discover your zen, your samurai, where am I going in?
Speaker 1: And once they get that, then they can go ahead
Speaker 1: and do whatever they want, and typically they do with
Speaker 1: a compound. Because I admit, if I had to get
Speaker 1: dinner with my recurves these days, we'd probably buy chicken often.
Speaker 1: But with my compound, I should not only do I
Speaker 1: shoot him in trouble, but I play it. I play
Speaker 1: a Matt McPherson guitar. That right, Yeah, Look, mystical blood brothers,
Speaker 1: the mystic did you so the mystical flight of the arrow? Ted,
Speaker 1: You wouldn't know this, but so I was. I would
Speaker 1: have been ten years old in about n and that's
Speaker 1: probably about the time a lot of your hunting videos
Speaker 1: and stuff were coming out, and we we grew up
Speaker 1: watching Ted Niget hunting videos. We really did down to
Speaker 1: earth video funny stuff. But the mystic fun yeah, it was. Well,
Speaker 1: so I've heard you say this phrase for thirty five years.
Speaker 1: The mystical flight of the arrow is that. Uh did
Speaker 1: you come up with that? No? No, I didn't. Um
Speaker 1: A lot of people attribute a lot of the things
Speaker 1: I say is that's a clever statement, and they are clever,
Speaker 1: but I didn't come up with it. For example, I've
Speaker 1: always I've been cleaning sober my whole life, and I
Speaker 1: keep emphasizing that because you'll never shoot as good of
Speaker 1: an arrow if you're drunk or stone, or you get
Speaker 1: chemicals of any kind case clothes, but because I have
Speaker 1: influenced a lot of young people because of the intensity
Speaker 1: of the music and the intensity of my fun factor,
Speaker 1: which I'm sure you related to because I was having fun.
Speaker 1: A lot of the guys play. Some of the most
Speaker 1: dangerous bow hunters in the world are the dangerous bow
Speaker 1: hunters because they're so low key that they don't have
Speaker 1: this this spiritual erection when the beast drives, so a
Speaker 1: lot of in Fred bears a perfect example, my hero.
Speaker 1: He was so easy going, and I talked with Chuck
Speaker 1: Adams and it's almost like it's almost like they're flatlining
Speaker 1: and Claude Pollington. I'm named. I could name a hundred
Speaker 1: killer bow hunters that are not crazy and uppity and
Speaker 1: energized like I am. So I've always celebrated that this
Speaker 1: is my sacred temple. Now, when I was growing up,
Speaker 1: that was a ubiquitous colloquialism. Have you ever heard that, ye,
Speaker 1: my sacred temple? You know? Yes, So I've used phrases
Speaker 1: like that, um in the Mystical Flight of the Arrow.
Speaker 1: I think I might have got it from um a
Speaker 1: fred bear tomb or one of his times around the campfire. Probably, Uh,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of there's a book Will Thompson. Is that
Speaker 1: the name? Um? One of the original guys. You've heard
Speaker 1: it somewhere. Yeah, I read everything you had with a
Speaker 1: bow and arrow, that hunting deer and archery. So I
Speaker 1: read all that stuff, and I picked up on Mystical
Speaker 1: Flight of the arra. But I think it is a
Speaker 1: historical colloquialism relative to our archery pursuits. Yeah, Ted, do
Speaker 1: you remember your first big game animal? But I know
Speaker 1: you do. What was it? Tell me that? Absolutely? As
Speaker 1: a coal October night in nineteen seventy And I've been
Speaker 1: hunting non stops since. I mean literally, Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: have been that December, and I've been. I I think
Speaker 1: I qualify as officially bow hunting since I was five
Speaker 1: or six because I had my bow. I followed my
Speaker 1: dad through the Manistee National Forest up north, and I
Speaker 1: had a broadhead and I was shooting chipmunks and I
Speaker 1: was looking for a deer. So I you know, I
Speaker 1: would bow hunt um and I and not only didn't
Speaker 1: I ever killed a deer. My dad never killed a deer.
Speaker 1: We never killed a deer. We went every year, we
Speaker 1: never killed nothing. I mean, I got the world slam us.
Speaker 1: He could have been hunting with a firearm, yeah, and
Speaker 1: I did. He chose to shoot, and we did for
Speaker 1: gun hunt two November fift was just too powerful to ignore, okay.
Speaker 1: So it was just in the bow season he was
Speaker 1: and and so it was. It was October of seventy
Speaker 1: and I hunted every day I could. I was on
Speaker 1: tour NonStop. I did three hundred concerts a year, sometimes
Speaker 1: three d fifty, so I'd have a week or two
Speaker 1: to bow hunt. And I still didn't understand the rut. Yet.
Speaker 1: We didn't know nothing. There was just no real knowledge
Speaker 1: out there, especially pertaining to archery constrictions. So I never
Speaker 1: killed nothing, but I kept going clay, I kept strategizing.
Speaker 1: I was trying to figure them out. And this was
Speaker 1: a time when white tails were just beginning to really
Speaker 1: appear in southern Michigan where my original farm was. So
Speaker 1: I had watched this dough and fauns, and I've seen
Speaker 1: these bucks and there's I used to climb trees and
Speaker 1: just hang on the limbs. I was a monkey, as
Speaker 1: an absolute ape. I could climb any I was. I
Speaker 1: was like Bruce Lee. I was so wiry. I was
Speaker 1: climb these limbs. And I get up in a crotch
Speaker 1: and stand there all day finding this dough. And two
Speaker 1: fawns came out, and of course my heart's gone and
Speaker 1: I'm going and your your goofball. You can shoot squirrels.
Speaker 1: Pretend there's a squirrel there. That's a squirrel behind your
Speaker 1: shoulder that I hit high, but I spined heer in
Speaker 1: my second recurve. Yeah, recurve of sasheft of barrakodiak um
Speaker 1: probably and you know, forty six pounds was shooting thirty
Speaker 1: at the time. Micro Flight micro flight glass arrows. Micro
Speaker 1: Flight tends with a rasor head with with the insert
Speaker 1: and I knocked her down in him. I was out
Speaker 1: of body, and my second earrow was perfect because now
Speaker 1: I don't know the planets can align. And I called
Speaker 1: upon that natural hand I guy that was shooting squirrels,
Speaker 1: and I held that doze head in my hands and
Speaker 1: I sat there out of body. And from then on
Speaker 1: I've caught up because it's about spirit, emotion management, heart
Speaker 1: rate management, and and directing your priorities to shoot a
Speaker 1: good arrow, not the deer. Yeah, I mean some of
Speaker 1: those psychological problems that's many of us encounter that manifest
Speaker 1: horrifically and target manic. The guys that are a little
Speaker 1: bit more relaxed, I really envy them because they might
Speaker 1: not know that that. However, here's a great story you're
Speaker 1: gonna love. So seventy s. I mean, I'd kill a
Speaker 1: lot of deer by that. I started killing deer pretty regularly.
Speaker 1: I'm in a tree up north in our Land and
Speaker 1: near Irons, Michigan, and I got an eight arrow beer
Speaker 1: bowl quiver and I was shooting aluminums. The still with
Speaker 1: the hard helical shield cut real feathers right out of
Speaker 1: the bear catalog. In fact, Fred gave them to me.
Speaker 1: I was already connected to Fred by this and that
Speaker 1: buck a buck came and of course I'm helpless, just
Speaker 1: our wreck. I don't mean to you know, beef, you know,
Speaker 1: too disrespectful, but that moment kind of prepared me for
Speaker 1: nine eleven um. And I know that was a horrific
Speaker 1: death and destruction moment that shattered all of us emotionally,
Speaker 1: but I I, I don't mean to offend anyone, but
Speaker 1: that moment was significant moment, significant moment. All story short,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to repeat what happened. But eight arrows
Speaker 1: later he was still walking away. I flinched so violently
Speaker 1: and I had it, got the corner of the mouth
Speaker 1: touched the same tooth we're getting, and motions of shots
Speaker 1: into the air. I ran back to my cabin and
Speaker 1: I called Fred as a wreck. I said, let me
Speaker 1: tell you what it just happened to me. And he
Speaker 1: laughed and it's not funny. And he goes, the same
Speaker 1: thing happened to him in the nineteen fifties as a
Speaker 1: as an n f A A field champion, and he
Speaker 1: said he had the same thing happened to him and
Speaker 1: he had to go through craid routine and he gave
Speaker 1: me that routine ultra lightweight bow right next to the
Speaker 1: damn and arrow length away from a paper plate with
Speaker 1: a black spot in the middle of it. You, yes,
Speaker 1: you come back to full draw, and you close your eyes,
Speaker 1: and you let these guys work without this guy, because
Speaker 1: this guy's reckon this guy. The eyeballs somehow inflame and
Speaker 1: enraged the psyche. And and I haven't beat it, as
Speaker 1: you know, nobody does, but I have it across. I
Speaker 1: have managed it since that day. And I did go
Speaker 1: to a compound shortly after. I thought that might help.
Speaker 1: It didn't. Um But over the years I've gone through
Speaker 1: that heartbreak and horror, and I've helped a lot of
Speaker 1: people who have experienced that don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: They have no idea why the hand is thrown violently
Speaker 1: off target, or they can't even get it anywhere near
Speaker 1: the target. It's it's it's a it's a of the
Speaker 1: human spirit. But I have managed it. And I write
Speaker 1: a lot of articles, and I've addressed this and deer
Speaker 1: and deer hunting in a bunch of publications I write for.
Speaker 1: And I'm convinced that too much draw weight will result
Speaker 1: in target panic more often than not. And that's the
Speaker 1: number one cause of attrition in our sport. It's why
Speaker 1: the numbers of bow hunters if you take out crossbows,
Speaker 1: which is fine, but it's not the mystical flight of
Speaker 1: the arrow. As far as I press um, it's the
Speaker 1: number one cause of attrition. Too much draw weight, the
Speaker 1: discomfort and the damage done because of too much draw weight,
Speaker 1: the alerting of the animal humping that too much draw weight,
Speaker 1: and the the fanning of the target panic flames that
Speaker 1: guys just hang them up on nails and they go
Speaker 1: to the crossbow, and they keep telling me, I'd rather
Speaker 1: bow hunt, but I can't draw the bow. Didn't get one.
Speaker 1: You can draws. Jermaine kills everything with thirty five pounds.
Speaker 1: Everything moved, not moose yet, but elk and kudu and
Speaker 1: zebra and pace and her her arrow, uh four hundred
Speaker 1: grain gold tip with a two blade, you know, like
Speaker 1: a bare razor head a hundred grainer. I think it's
Speaker 1: a steel force we use with Jermaine thirty five pounds,
Speaker 1: six hundred plus pound orics in and out like butter. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't don't know. Much more penetration you want? And
Speaker 1: so the industry I think is really missing the lick
Speaker 1: for recruitment and retention by relaxing, especially with the technology
Speaker 1: of modern bows. Of her thirty five pound bows certainly
Speaker 1: outperforms any sixty pounder of your I'm convinced to that.
Speaker 1: So that's my spiel to get people to join joys
Speaker 1: of bow hunting dead What like, what is your favorite
Speaker 1: hunt anywhere in the world, anywhere in the country where?
Speaker 1: What is your favorite what's your favorite thing to hunt?
Speaker 1: It's so easy. The next one, Okay, I don't care
Speaker 1: what it is, so you don't have the white tail
Speaker 1: is is mystical, there's no question. Is so target rich
Speaker 1: and I get the hunt every day. Don't hate me,
Speaker 1: but everyday September, octover, November, December, generated February and pretty
Speaker 1: much the rest of the year too. Um but I
Speaker 1: I love stock and woodchucks in Michigan. I like walking
Speaker 1: the fence roles just before dark and shooting cotton tails.
Speaker 1: And it's thrilling to me because a small target, and
Speaker 1: it really teaches you to pick a spot. And obviously
Speaker 1: the white tail deer because I get so many tags
Speaker 1: and I feed so many soup kitchens and homeless shelters,
Speaker 1: and the joy of shopping for those two kitches and
Speaker 1: homeless shelters really fires my spirit. And I've hunted elephant
Speaker 1: and rhino and cape buffalo and lions and elk and
Speaker 1: moose and caribou, and I've hunted. I haven't hunted the
Speaker 1: sheep or the mountain goats and stuff yet. I'd love to,
Speaker 1: but not with these knees um clay. My favorite hunt
Speaker 1: is the next good arrow. Now I could tell you
Speaker 1: stories about little boys and girls who their last request
Speaker 1: in life is to go hunting with Ted Nugent. How
Speaker 1: the hell I ever earned that, I don't know, But
Speaker 1: for thirty plus years, families get ahold of us and
Speaker 1: their little boy or little girls are gonna be dead soon,
Speaker 1: and their last requesters to go to hunt with Ted Nugent.
Speaker 1: They see Spirit of the Wild TV and or they
Speaker 1: might see me doing an interview and talking about the
Speaker 1: arrow and I'm funny and I'm I'm alive, and these
Speaker 1: kids get it and I can't even I'm pretty good
Speaker 1: with the English language, but I'm helpless to convey what
Speaker 1: that campfire is like. And oftentimes we don't really kill anything,
Speaker 1: though oftentimes we do, but that I get the kids
Speaker 1: laughing and we take their mind off the chemo or
Speaker 1: there the imminent and uh, those aren't even those aren't
Speaker 1: even really hunts per se. But it's an experience that
Speaker 1: came about via the hunting ethic, the hunting lifestyle. That
Speaker 1: I stumble to Russ, what happened? You can you can sure?
Speaker 1: And so those are favorite moments that are part of
Speaker 1: my hunting life, that are a gift from God. And uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know how I ever qualified for that, but
Speaker 1: that they decided idea is all I need to know.
Speaker 1: That's great. Let me ask you a question about, uh,
Speaker 1: just kind of the North American hunting in general. So
Speaker 1: we're you know, the it seems the real issue is
Speaker 1: hunter recruitment. I think the stats say there's eleven point
Speaker 1: five million hunters in the US today. Peak hunting numbers
Speaker 1: were in the nineteen eighties around sixteen seventeen million, somewhere
Speaker 1: in that range. Our population is increasing, so we continue
Speaker 1: to become this smaller minority. What what would you say
Speaker 1: are the key features of of our hunting culture persisting
Speaker 1: tad because and it's and and we know that it's
Speaker 1: so much more more than just our kids been able
Speaker 1: to hunt or something. But I mean, you know, the
Speaker 1: North American mole and wildlife conservation is the most successful
Speaker 1: animal husbandry human endeavor of all times. So like there's
Speaker 1: like our hunting is propping up, Saving wild places is
Speaker 1: propping up. It's propping up quality air, soil, and water
Speaker 1: is what it's propping up. So how do we so,
Speaker 1: you know, because everybody knows. I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of narratives and a lot of them are good. And
Speaker 1: I realized there's not one thing. But what what do
Speaker 1: you see? What do you think when it is a
Speaker 1: spicy cocktail of ingredients. So I'll start with number one
Speaker 1: and again, I have a big mouth. I think the
Speaker 1: Founding Fathers wanted all Americans to have a big mouth.
Speaker 1: This is an experiment self government, the experiments over we
Speaker 1: the people are supposed to be in charge, and some
Speaker 1: people hate me because I am in charge because I'm
Speaker 1: doing what the Founding Fathers wanted us to do. And
Speaker 1: it's relating to the recruitment and retention and attrition in
Speaker 1: the conservation world, license sales of family hours of recreation,
Speaker 1: the gargantuan economy relative to it. It's it's it's it's
Speaker 1: immeasurable way beyond any measurement. I've seen number one, the
Speaker 1: criminal abuse of power and corruption in all bureaucracies that
Speaker 1: it has weaseled its way into all game departments. I'm
Speaker 1: sure as a publisher and an editor and a visible
Speaker 1: promoter of this great sport, the greatest sport, I'm sure
Speaker 1: you get communication from these are our fellow hunters, not
Speaker 1: like I do. I don't care if it's a sushi
Speaker 1: bar or the whole foods or rock and roll concert
Speaker 1: or the gas station or a kid's school, every day
Speaker 1: of my life for as far as back as I
Speaker 1: can remember, at least fifty years, because in every interview
Speaker 1: I've ever done as a rock and roller, I've always
Speaker 1: mentioned the mystical flight of the arrow and how I
Speaker 1: get high in nature, and backstraps and the challenge and
Speaker 1: the excitement and the electricity of sneaking up on a
Speaker 1: career with a sharp stick. I keep it entertaining, But
Speaker 1: I don't mean to keep it entertaining. I just can't
Speaker 1: help myself. That's so contagious that people that would have
Speaker 1: never read Bear Hunting magazine don't even know there's an
Speaker 1: outdoor life magazine, never even heard of fishing game, don't
Speaker 1: even know what a backstrap is. They do now because
Speaker 1: of me in a Rock and Roll interview, I always
Speaker 1: turned it towards Hutton and the game laws are so
Speaker 1: absurd and anti science, anti wildlife management that I am
Speaker 1: bombarded constant lee with angry, frustrated people quitting because they
Speaker 1: got a ticket for not having their boat case zipped
Speaker 1: or for moving an apple closer to their tree stand. Clay,
Speaker 1: No one's ever gonna come up and share that with you.
Speaker 1: They shouldn't, no offense, But I am bombarded with this.
Speaker 1: Deer are eating corn in every corn field on planet Earth.
Speaker 1: Why can't they eat it closer to my tree stand? Yeah,
Speaker 1: c w D so number one cause of attrition. People
Speaker 1: quitting because they're being harassed by anti hunting game departments
Speaker 1: forcing anti hunting laws on us. Right now, while you
Speaker 1: and are sitting here, You and I can't hunt springtime
Speaker 1: bears in Colorado. We can't use bait, and we can't
Speaker 1: use pounds. Guess who can in My buddy Scott Young,
Speaker 1: who's paid with our tax dollars through the U. S
Speaker 1: d A, is slaughtering them as damage control because the
Speaker 1: bureaucrats won't allow us to utilize them as an asset
Speaker 1: in quality control. A lot of people watching or listening
Speaker 1: right now, they don't even know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: The government uses proven methodologies to bring balanced wildlife that
Speaker 1: were forbidden to put are are you kidding me? People
Speaker 1: are quitting because they didn't have their boat case zipped up.
Speaker 1: Even though I forced a law that eliminated the boat
Speaker 1: case law, but they were still enforcing it in Michigan
Speaker 1: and we went thing you think people. Nope, not even close,
Speaker 1: not even access to hunting grounds. And I know they
Speaker 1: all play a part. Nothing is even close to the
Speaker 1: harassment of of hunters by by cowboy game fish cops.
Speaker 1: And I respect the ones who are respectable. In fact,
Speaker 1: you should read the book I got. I got buddies
Speaker 1: that are game wardens that are just there as piste
Speaker 1: off as I am. They just throw their hands up
Speaker 1: and go. So the guy had the deer and he
Speaker 1: was gutting in hand, and put the tag on it,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna confiscate his deer and and give him
Speaker 1: a ticket. It's the dear season. That's a deer, that's
Speaker 1: his dear license. It's the bow season. That's a bow.
Speaker 1: He's hunting in a legal area. And you have you
Speaker 1: ever heard one of those stories? Yeah, yeah, just people
Speaker 1: getting I hear him all the time. Yea, look what
Speaker 1: they did to me in Alaska. I've been hunting Alaska
Speaker 1: since nine. I bought my bear tag. I bought it
Speaker 1: in the area I'm hunting. I'm using the right weapon.
Speaker 1: I'm using the during the right hours. I every game
Speaker 1: law in the history of game law says upon taking
Speaker 1: possession of the animal, you apply the tag every everyone
Speaker 1: all my life. So I'm gonna when I take possession,
Speaker 1: I'll put the tag on him. So I shot a
Speaker 1: bear on TV, and you know when you want to
Speaker 1: break a law in your shirt with fifty million viewers,
Speaker 1: that's that's proves intent right there, doesn't it. So I'll
Speaker 1: continue with my horror story. So sure enough, Jack Bouten
Speaker 1: thug u s Attorney Jack Schmidt, because you went after
Speaker 1: Ted Nuta when the Alaska Ficient game. We're not interested.
Speaker 1: If there was anything that qualifies at the perfect honest mistake,
Speaker 1: it was me. You put it on television and I
Speaker 1: went and searched for three days, and then we finally
Speaker 1: did a stop motion of the arrow and it didn't
Speaker 1: penetrate it. Literally I caught it. It was a two
Speaker 1: blade broadhead, and I caught a rib on the straight side.
Speaker 1: It literally kicked up straight out of the air and
Speaker 1: bounced clean off the rib. So we looked at it
Speaker 1: and we went bears fine, I can go bear hunt
Speaker 1: because I hadn't taken possession. So I had a tag
Speaker 1: if and they went after me with a vengeance. They
Speaker 1: spent millions of dollars analyzing all my TV shows to
Speaker 1: prove that because there was a law that was initiated
Speaker 1: that year on Prince of Wales is a draw blood? Yes, never,
Speaker 1: how about this? The judge during the court hearing asked
Speaker 1: Jack Schmidt, the the judge, and I know how the
Speaker 1: courts work. This is precedent that when a judge says
Speaker 1: what the judge said, I've been living in ketch can
Speaker 1: all my life. I bear hunted all my life. When
Speaker 1: was this law and enacted? Because I don't know anybody
Speaker 1: that's ever heard of it? Grounds for smissal but no,
Speaker 1: Barack Obama and Eric Holder went can't dismiss hurt nugent,
Speaker 1: shut nugent up. So I had a Vendetta. Think yeah,
Speaker 1: because I dare, I dare to demand constitutional adherents from
Speaker 1: my president and Attorney general. And they couldn't debate me,
Speaker 1: and they knew that I was right and they were
Speaker 1: getting away with murder. So anyhow, that's number one. So
Speaker 1: number one is the abusive power and scaring people away
Speaker 1: because they're getting all these horrible fines. Check out what
Speaker 1: they did to Chris Brackett. So he shoots a buck
Speaker 1: and he wasn't sure the shot with a muzzler. You know,
Speaker 1: Chris Brackett. Now you know the story. I think I do,
Speaker 1: and you to know the whole story. So guess what
Speaker 1: the Game Department in Indiana wants more dear killed. Guess
Speaker 1: what the agriculture department wants more dear killed. Guess what
Speaker 1: the Highway department wants more deer killed. Guess what the
Speaker 1: Center for Disease Control or whatever it is in Indiana
Speaker 1: they want more deer killed. We shoot one buck, So
Speaker 1: we shot a buck. Then a giant showed up. Now
Speaker 1: this was a mistake. Must apply the tag upon taking possession.
Speaker 1: He didn't take possession, but he shot the bigger buck
Speaker 1: and dad a TV show up. But he had only
Speaker 1: had one tag, and they had one tag. They never
Speaker 1: they never touched the first gear. They never even found
Speaker 1: the first year. They did a cursory search, but because
Speaker 1: they had the giant and he was gonna have his
Speaker 1: cameraman tag it. Okay, so we're violating were that's pretty
Speaker 1: that's a major violation though, or is it? Is it amazing?
Speaker 1: Is it a major violation? Let me let me finish
Speaker 1: in a state that wants more dear killed. Okay, you
Speaker 1: know what, it is a major violation, and somebody that
Speaker 1: has common sense, I'll tell you what the major violation is. Chris,
Speaker 1: your jerk. You shouldn't have shot the other buck till
Speaker 1: you did everything in your power to find that first one. Fine,
Speaker 1: don't do it again. Donate the meat to the charity.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here right now defending him. I'm I'm telling
Speaker 1: you that his crime was indefensible, but it wasn't murder.
Speaker 1: He didn't. He didn't they were They ruined his life,
Speaker 1: They bankrupted him, they went after him and try to
Speaker 1: get him on that that insane Lacy Act felony for
Speaker 1: shooting an extra dear in a state that while the
Speaker 1: court case was going on for Chris Brackett, sharpshooters killed
Speaker 1: thousands of them, and cars killed thousands more. So give
Speaker 1: me a logical response to that. Why killing an extra
Speaker 1: dear is a major offense. I'll tell you what a
Speaker 1: major offensive. Armed robbery that's a major offense. Rape is
Speaker 1: a major offense. Arson is a major offense. Shooting an
Speaker 1: extra dear is petty. They want more dear. And if
Speaker 1: I was the judge when Chris Brackett, you're a dirt
Speaker 1: bag five dollars and I need to uh need that
Speaker 1: venison I need and if you didn't get it, I
Speaker 1: need some of your venison. But more importantly, Chris Brackett,
Speaker 1: I would like to bring in the director of the
Speaker 1: game department and ask him why can I only shoot
Speaker 1: one deer while you're slaughtering him with my tax dollars
Speaker 1: by the thousands, And then I would indict that guy
Speaker 1: for being corrupt. You. I don't think we can overlook though,
Speaker 1: that they were trying to. His motivation was his motivation, though,
Speaker 1: which was different than yours, with the ruining your life
Speaker 1: when being a prick is I'm just saying his motivation
Speaker 1: was the perceived motivation, no doubt, and that he was
Speaker 1: making a television show just and that was major, you know,
Speaker 1: because the TV show has nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1: Maybe shouldn't in the court of law, of course it
Speaker 1: shouldn't it, just like it did with your thing though. Right, well,
Speaker 1: I don't think my TV show had anything to do
Speaker 1: it because my celebrity, in my voice is it eclipses
Speaker 1: the TV impact. If I didn't have a spirit of
Speaker 1: the wild TV show, I'd still be doing media like
Speaker 1: the million people condemning the Democrats that side with Antifa.
Speaker 1: So I don't need a TV show promoting oneting to
Speaker 1: give me a voice, because I demand a voice because
Speaker 1: I'm a free American. So you're right, but be careful,
Speaker 1: Clay Nukem major offense? When did kill dear become a
Speaker 1: major offense? I? I see, I see your point, I
Speaker 1: really do, thank you. I see your point. But also
Speaker 1: see inside the context of hunting, inside the see you
Speaker 1: took it outside the context of honey, which bigger that's
Speaker 1: fair to do? I mean a major fency. Yes, I'll
Speaker 1: see what you're saying, but inside the inside the context
Speaker 1: of hunting. Yeah, we've turned him down to sit touch here,
Speaker 1: inside the context of hunting, that. I see that as
Speaker 1: pretty significant, though, I mean because your your whole position,
Speaker 1: and part of the reason I'm here is because I
Speaker 1: respect you at the level that you have a value
Speaker 1: system that you live by. I mean, you have a
Speaker 1: value right, here's the he I mean, let's talk about
Speaker 1: the value system specifically for a moment. Ethics are about
Speaker 1: doing the right thing. Do you know that oftentime an
Speaker 1: illegal act is the right thing? How About when I
Speaker 1: see a deer bleeding to death stuck in a fence,
Speaker 1: ted nugent is supposed to call a bureaucrat to put
Speaker 1: this deer out of its misery, what in a couple
Speaker 1: hours maybe tomorrow. It would be against the law for
Speaker 1: me to dispatch that deer, which I've done many times,
Speaker 1: because the law is immoral. And I think when you
Speaker 1: take that kind of condemnation and ruin a person's life
Speaker 1: over killing an extra dear and not tagging the right dear,
Speaker 1: all right, it's a crime and it's unethical. Five fine.
Speaker 1: That would have hurt him plenty, but not ruin his life.
Speaker 1: The running of his life came from the social consequences
Speaker 1: of that from network, those were not social consequences, though
Speaker 1: we're those were jack booted bureaucrat. No, you can't find
Speaker 1: me a human Stop hunting, stop doing your magazine. You
Speaker 1: go out of crusade and find me a human being
Speaker 1: that knows about Chris practice shooting an extra dear so
Speaker 1: we can get that social comment. Nobody knows. I'm and
Speaker 1: I'm again talking inside the hunting world, to be careful
Speaker 1: your reputation, To be careful inside the hunting world. You'll
Speaker 1: find people who hate me because I bait Fred Bear baited.
Speaker 1: They hate me because I shoot a lot of deer.
Speaker 1: I have to shoot a lot of deer. So in
Speaker 1: our own hunting community you got some inbred cannibals that
Speaker 1: are so elitist and judgmental, and they play no role
Speaker 1: in any thought pattern or conduct of mind whatsoever. The
Speaker 1: worst human beings in the world are people that turn
Speaker 1: on their own And because I get to kill a
Speaker 1: lot of deer legally and ethically and provide venison by
Speaker 1: the tons to my fellow man, there are people in
Speaker 1: our industry that absolutely curse me and they can kiss
Speaker 1: my And in fact, I don't even need to kill
Speaker 1: more deer this year, but I'm gonna just to piss
Speaker 1: them off because they're so small minded. So I went
Speaker 1: hunting too much. Nobody ever said, who says you hunt
Speaker 1: too much? Well, I get these from different publishers and
Speaker 1: people in the You know, they're really angry. I think
Speaker 1: they think you're a game hog. Really, I shot four
Speaker 1: d pigs from a helicopter one day with my machine gun,
Speaker 1: and guess who thanked me. The game department, the le landowners,
Speaker 1: the environmentalists, and the agriculture business shut up. We have
Speaker 1: such ignorant, small minded duface is in our hunting community.
Speaker 1: There's just a lunatic cringe. The vast majority here's one
Speaker 1: wet with me. Go with me to the shot show
Speaker 1: and just follow me around. Stay back about fifty ft
Speaker 1: and follow me around. I have a love affair, a
Speaker 1: blood brotherhood spirit connection on intellectual and decency and conservation
Speaker 1: wise use levels with the maturity of sporting families in
Speaker 1: this country that my haters hate me even more for.
Speaker 1: It's it's unbelievable. So you know, I I don't think
Speaker 1: my poop doesn't smell. In fact, I'm quite proud of
Speaker 1: the aroma. But I know that my intellect and my
Speaker 1: moral guide posts have forced me a lot with my
Speaker 1: drill sergeant Dad to just conscientiously choose the right thing
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, and I have. And people will make
Speaker 1: up that I'm a draft dodger, not never dodged anything,
Speaker 1: that I'm a child molester. You look at the internet,
Speaker 1: Huffington Post, Salon dot Org, Wikipedia. How about in New
Speaker 1: York I was banned from saying thank you to the
Speaker 1: NYPD last weekend because, according to the New York Times
Speaker 1: and Governor Cuomo, I'm an anti Semite, I'm a racist,
Speaker 1: and I'm a homophobe. Obviously you don't know my Jewish, Black,
Speaker 1: or gay ends. I've been surrounded by every imaginable stripe
Speaker 1: of mankind for fifty plus years, sixty years, and yet
Speaker 1: there will level these horrific false accusations against me from
Speaker 1: the left because I'm so effective at spotlighting their indecency
Speaker 1: and criminal behavior, and from our own hunting community. I'm
Speaker 1: guessing they're either stoned or drunk or just mentally ill.
Speaker 1: Because if all these families have decided to fulfill their
Speaker 1: dying sons and daughter's request with Ted Nugent, I'm I
Speaker 1: have to be okay. They've they've they know everything that
Speaker 1: my haters know, what what more stamp of approval, could
Speaker 1: have man beg for then for a family in that
Speaker 1: emotional trauma and heartbreak, to include the old guitar player.
Speaker 1: What I must have done something right? Why why do you?
Speaker 1: Uh you? And this is just an honest question I
Speaker 1: would ask if if these we weren't in this format,
Speaker 1: why why do you want to focus on those that
Speaker 1: are against you? So I don't never do I'm responding
Speaker 1: to something I don't. If you follow my average day,
Speaker 1: I've been maybe during and and I'm very active. I
Speaker 1: do media all the time, and I have my own
Speaker 1: Tenutian spirit campfire right for all these publications positive positive, positive,
Speaker 1: positive positive celebration, good good, good fun, fun, fun, conservation, conservation.
Speaker 1: I hate you because you hunt over bait eat me.
Speaker 1: Just for that, I'm mean to hunt over bait even more,
Speaker 1: fred Bare hunt and over bait of American hunting families
Speaker 1: in the Midwest, hunt over and attracting. So that guy
Speaker 1: doesn't hate me. He hates all those families. Beautiful. That's
Speaker 1: all we need to know. That's an official dirt bag
Speaker 1: right there. He let me let me. By the way,
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm focusing on it now because I
Speaker 1: mentioned that it's the harassment that is the core of
Speaker 1: attrition people quitting because of the Yeah, that was the
Speaker 1: original question, wasn't But the factors that are hurting us
Speaker 1: as and and access to hunting land is one of them,
Speaker 1: but not not crucial because everybody's got an uncle or
Speaker 1: everybody's got a buddy, and there's plenty of state land,
Speaker 1: and I know it's a consideration in some instance, and
Speaker 1: the cost is going up. So these are all things.
Speaker 1: But this thing that we just focused on just a
Speaker 1: moment ago is the inbreeding and cannibalism and the hate
Speaker 1: by a lunatic fringe in our sport. I can't believe
Speaker 1: you had a sight on your your muzzleloader. I can't
Speaker 1: believe you use the scope, but I'm not supposed to
Speaker 1: be really accurate. When I killed the day Air with this,
Speaker 1: you've seen it. So that is that is an element
Speaker 1: that we can crush by identifying their indecency and ostracizing them.
Speaker 1: So that so there's your You just tell about your strategy.
Speaker 1: So you think that we need to call out those people,
Speaker 1: because what you're saying is we need unity inside this
Speaker 1: port and I don't want to no batter Ever since
Speaker 1: is the right thing to do to call those guys
Speaker 1: out as crazy? Does that not make it more divisive? Ted? Oh,
Speaker 1: I like division, you know the division. I like. I
Speaker 1: like the division between families that go shopping in Seattle
Speaker 1: and the people who are burning down Seattle. That's a
Speaker 1: good division. I like the division between the guy who
Speaker 1: goes to the bank and withdraws from his own account
Speaker 1: versus the bank robber. Division is good. So we have
Speaker 1: to so you think unity will come inside the hunting world,
Speaker 1: And that's what we're talking about through calling out these
Speaker 1: guys that would be anti hunt. I can't believe you
Speaker 1: use training wheels. If you're a real hunter, you use
Speaker 1: a longbow. Yeah. And and I'm all for teasing, and
Speaker 1: I'm all for cute little you know, uh, back and forth.
Speaker 1: But these guys are just nasty. And again, it's a
Speaker 1: limitedringe that's in every every aspect of life. Though, no
Speaker 1: doubt there's people that are that are that are like that.
Speaker 1: You know where it's not. I I raised professionally for
Speaker 1: twelve years with Parnelli Jones and Mickey Thompson and Ivan Stewart.
Speaker 1: It didn't exist. The guy that raced for Ford never
Speaker 1: said a bad thing about the Chevy guys who was
Speaker 1: a camaraderie. I'm in the music. How do how do
Speaker 1: we utify people? Though? Like, I hear what you're saying
Speaker 1: about Uh, I mean I understand your philosophy there about
Speaker 1: like uh calling out the bad guys. It's a proven methodology.
Speaker 1: Actually you should come up. I I've I've sold out
Speaker 1: all my hunts again this year. I have twelve to
Speaker 1: twenty people at my um hog operation in Michigan every
Speaker 1: weekend September, October November. The greatest human beings on the planet.
Speaker 1: They support any individual choice, methodology, weapon system people. You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah again haters and the squawkers are a thin lunatic fringe.
Speaker 1: But we really are united, except that you have some
Speaker 1: of these judgmental people find their way into the outdoor
Speaker 1: writing community. Now there's less of it than there was
Speaker 1: for a while, and never forget outdoor life. I was
Speaker 1: telling us that we shouldn't wear a cameo in public
Speaker 1: and avoid the hunting issue. How do you promote something
Speaker 1: that is coming under attack if you hide from it? No,
Speaker 1: And I always wrote, and I got condemned by some
Speaker 1: of those writers were cameo all the time, have that
Speaker 1: deer in the back of the truck and open the
Speaker 1: door for the lady, help her with the groceries, tip
Speaker 1: your hat and say hello and show them that you're
Speaker 1: good people. Just like what do they call it? The uh?
Speaker 1: The cameo are our Vada when the hurricanes hit? Who
Speaker 1: do you think saved all those people from the floods?
Speaker 1: Duck hunters, big truck deer hunters. That that's how you
Speaker 1: and they're all cameo and they even you know, a
Speaker 1: our fifteens come and get it. So I CBS didn't
Speaker 1: know the guy had the T shirt on and anti
Speaker 1: hunting CBS actually showed a promotional gun ownership. So be outspoken,
Speaker 1: be courteous and friendly, and be sure they know you're
Speaker 1: a hunter. Where that and r a hat to counter
Speaker 1: the lives about guns. You know, maybe some of the
Speaker 1: roots of this philosophy would have subconsciously come from stuff
Speaker 1: I've heard you say over the years, But I you know,
Speaker 1: I think that any dedication to craft, dedication to something
Speaker 1: that takes as much energy effort as hunting does to
Speaker 1: be successful, makes you a better human. Question. You know
Speaker 1: a lot of guys talk about like limiting factors inside
Speaker 1: there hunting, like, how can I be more successful? And
Speaker 1: what I always say is that the way you could
Speaker 1: be a more successful hunter is to be a better
Speaker 1: human outside of hunting. If your family is in order,
Speaker 1: if your finances are in order, that's why. If your
Speaker 1: life is in order, then you're to have more time
Speaker 1: to unite here. So I always take hunting as a
Speaker 1: position of you know, hunting is not salvation. I mean
Speaker 1: it's not. It's it's you know, we might be dedicated
Speaker 1: to something else that could do a similar thing, maybe
Speaker 1: not as fun, not as good, but dedication two craft
Speaker 1: gives you the opportunity can make you a better human.
Speaker 1: And that's that's what I say to these to our
Speaker 1: to our hunters. That's pursuit of excellence, good, better neighborliness,
Speaker 1: positive spirit, generosity, caring, not being judgmental. If you don't,
Speaker 1: I've never said, well, you're not as good as I
Speaker 1: am if you don't hunt. Not everybody's a hunter, Not
Speaker 1: everybody's a wool rancher. I'm glad you do it because
Speaker 1: I like my wool clothing, but I don't have a sheepherd.
Speaker 1: It's about excellence, samurai life, liberty, pursuit of happiness in
Speaker 1: your given calling. And you're absolutely right. That's why I
Speaker 1: mentioned my campfires. And I've been doing this since the
Speaker 1: late sixties. Sharing campfires. Boy, you could become you know, jaded.
Speaker 1: On the positive side, you could become convinced that the
Speaker 1: world is perfect if you just came to my camp
Speaker 1: fires every weekend in Michigan and Texas. These are the
Speaker 1: greatest people, entrepreneurs and work ethic and fun and positive energy.
Speaker 1: And we talk about charities, and we talk about guidance
Speaker 1: and schools and and challenging elected employees to adhere to
Speaker 1: their constitutional oath. I'm telling you I am not the
Speaker 1: weird guy. I am that rancher, I'm that hardware store operator.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just happened to be the guitar player, and
Speaker 1: I promote the things that turned me on the most.
Speaker 1: But I also promote my welding buddies and the mechanics
Speaker 1: and the plumbers and the teachers and the cops. So
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. You find a person who's really a
Speaker 1: dedicated hunter. Doesn't mean they have to kill a deer
Speaker 1: every year or a big bucker, or focus on trophies.
Speaker 1: Even though a good Woodchuck is a trophy to me.
Speaker 1: But you'll find that the that the inescapable discipline of stealth, marksmanship,
Speaker 1: mystical flight of the arrow zen that as they as
Speaker 1: they pursue and discover upgrades incrementally in those pursuits. They're
Speaker 1: going to be a better teacher, They're going to be
Speaker 1: a better father, a better husband, a better brother. I'm
Speaker 1: convinced to this um so I call it the spirit
Speaker 1: of the wild, and I think we can go back
Speaker 1: to the Aborigines, the Native America with Coach He's and
Speaker 1: crazy horse and city and bull and the oneness with
Speaker 1: the great spirit that they always referenced and the lyrics
Speaker 1: to my Great White Buffalo that came from divine intervention
Speaker 1: on a jam session. I didn't know that the legend
Speaker 1: of the Great White Buffalo, but I sang it lick
Speaker 1: for lick spontaneously. I made him up, made the lyrics came.
Speaker 1: I think because of the spirit that I've discovered and
Speaker 1: that I've been saturated with from learning to get close
Speaker 1: to that quail on the Rouge River in Detroit in
Speaker 1: n There it's not just physical, it really is spiritual.
Speaker 1: Let me let me go back to something that I
Speaker 1: wanted to that's related to this very much, so that
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to. Well, I've wanted to talk to
Speaker 1: you about this. Where did you so? I've heard you
Speaker 1: say you were clean and sober for all these years,
Speaker 1: where it takes a lot of identity to be able
Speaker 1: to be in the places you were in, the culture
Speaker 1: that you were in and not fall into that. Where
Speaker 1: did that come from? Ted? I mean, and I know
Speaker 1: you could. I mean, like, where did the strength to
Speaker 1: be opposite positional to the time come from? Just listen,
Speaker 1: just this is an official performance, and I'll keep it
Speaker 1: down so you can hear everything. But have you ever
Speaker 1: heard my song? I just want to go hunting? I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't think I have what you're about
Speaker 1: to And I'll keep it down so that the lyrics
Speaker 1: are forceful. I was always different. Nobody understood. I didn't
Speaker 1: play follow the leader. I was always in the woods
Speaker 1: where they hadn't invented peer pressure. Yet it seems I
Speaker 1: stood alone. My daddy had a vision, love family and
Speaker 1: the home. Well, some punks used to laugh at me.
Speaker 1: They said, how can you rock and not get high?
Speaker 1: I just stood my ground, and then I watched those
Speaker 1: punks falling die because I just want to go hunt.
Speaker 1: A little goose bunks makes me feel so good. I
Speaker 1: just want to go hunting. Try to find me in
Speaker 1: the woods. Things get a little crazy in this day
Speaker 1: and age. The concrete jungle warfare got everybody in a rage. Well,
Speaker 1: I shore like my rocking danger, and I crave my
Speaker 1: rocking roll. But when I get my limit, I know
Speaker 1: where to go. I just jump into four wheel drive
Speaker 1: and I lord up. The dogs in the family leave
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna feel a live with the wild life
Speaker 1: where I can't breathe, because I just want to go hunting.
Speaker 1: It makes me feel so good. I just gotta go hunting.
Speaker 1: Try to find me in the woods. Yeah, I'm sitting away.
Speaker 1: I'm looking for a new sunrise. I got to feel
Speaker 1: okay because it's times like this makes me healthy and wild.
Speaker 1: God told me in the Bible, he said, go ahead,
Speaker 1: wag him tied. So I'll take my kids hunting. So
Speaker 1: I don't gotta hunt for my kids. We like to
Speaker 1: jump in the four wheel drive. We gotta bloat up
Speaker 1: the dogs and the family. I gotta I gotta feel
Speaker 1: alive with the wild life where I can't breathe because
Speaker 1: I just want to go on. It makes me feel
Speaker 1: so good. I'm gonna always go hunting, and I'll always
Speaker 1: be in the woods because I'm slipping away. I gotta
Speaker 1: get get anyway farther way every day. I gotta feel
Speaker 1: alive in my way because I'm slipping away. That answers
Speaker 1: the question do you see the goose bumps? I could
Speaker 1: have literally cried as I was singing, that is that yours?
Speaker 1: That your life? The punks used to laugh at me
Speaker 1: because I wouldn't get high. You can't rock like dad
Speaker 1: and not get high. So I watched those punks fall
Speaker 1: in die, all of them, and the ones that didn't
Speaker 1: I can't talk. And they made fun of me because
Speaker 1: I'd promote hunting. I had a cowardy murders Bambi. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: let's reduce precious living, breathing wildlife to a cartoon level.
Speaker 1: Smoke some more dope. You gotta be kidding me. It
Speaker 1: took a lot of took a lot of internal forges.
Speaker 1: Did your were your siblings like that? Dad? Yeah? In
Speaker 1: different ways? And let me expound in that briefly. Because
Speaker 1: my dad was a drill sergeant World War Two. God
Speaker 1: bless war and Henry nugent and he was already both
Speaker 1: hunt What was your father's name, Yeah, Warren Henry nugent
Speaker 1: Um was a drill sergeant in the U. S. Army
Speaker 1: Cavalry in World War Two and Korea. And he brought
Speaker 1: home his riding crop, the same riding croppy train horses
Speaker 1: with and my brother's sister and I just lost my
Speaker 1: brother John, and January. It's a great, great guy. If
Speaker 1: we are all around the campfire, we'd have you roaring
Speaker 1: with laughter of stories of my day. The youngest know
Speaker 1: as the second oldest brother Jeff is two years older
Speaker 1: than I am, and then me and then my brother
Speaker 1: John would have been. And my sister Cathey was up
Speaker 1: North Michigan, right up where we started hunting Um, but
Speaker 1: he was already a bow hunter, and the discipline factor
Speaker 1: we hated him. We were controlled unnecessarily and fearful of discipline.
Speaker 1: A beautiful parenting system, by the way. But he also
Speaker 1: took me hunting every year and taught me those disciplines
Speaker 1: slow stealth, quiet shadows, which I wasn't real good at
Speaker 1: because you, as you've noticed, I'm a bit uppity. Not
Speaker 1: exactly the personality conducive to sneaky bow hunting techniques, but
Speaker 1: I've adapted over the years. Um. And then of course
Speaker 1: they would just my dad would threaten us touch liquor tobacco.
Speaker 1: You know, they're both drank and smoked. Go figure. Um.
Speaker 1: So if anybody was in the vortex of rebellion, it
Speaker 1: would have been me because I was already rocking my
Speaker 1: balls off and he hated that, playing a little Richard stuff,
Speaker 1: and he wanted to play Lawrence Welcome music Stare, What
Speaker 1: a what a fascinating journey. So so I would have
Speaker 1: been inclined to smoke and drink, and especially in that
Speaker 1: era where it was ubiquitous, you couldn't get away from it.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised I didn't get stone just on their second
Speaker 1: hand dope. But I realized, luckily my dad's discipline I
Speaker 1: would have dismissed and rebelled against. Except by that age
Speaker 1: I was twelve or thirteen. I'm struggling to play Killer
Speaker 1: Chuck Barry Bow did the rock and roll. And I
Speaker 1: saw these great musicians much better than me. I watched
Speaker 1: them drink and lose their musical touch. I watched them
Speaker 1: get high, and they were always late and they forgot
Speaker 1: the arrangements. So now my dad's discipline now had a
Speaker 1: pragmatic indicator that if I really love the music, which
Speaker 1: I really loved them, that's a great lick. And that's
Speaker 1: a great lick. It's a rock and lick on acoustic
Speaker 1: guitar by Matt McPherson. Um So I was. I never
Speaker 1: wanted to be a rock star. I never wanted to
Speaker 1: make plant of albums. I never I just want to
Speaker 1: make music. The music drove me. You know they say
Speaker 1: that guys getting in it for the chicks. I adapted
Speaker 1: to that later, but I bought just making music. Um So,
Speaker 1: now I'm seeing that my dad's discipline of clean and
Speaker 1: sober would benefit my musical prowess. And when do you
Speaker 1: think he came to that? Mean you had to have
Speaker 1: been a little had some age on you to understand that.
Speaker 1: I mean you, because you said early teens. And then
Speaker 1: by the time that they're beating X turned into hippies
Speaker 1: and just began this huge, slobbering, drooling, stumbling, puking, gaggy
Speaker 1: death march. I'm going and they were calling you the party,
Speaker 1: and I'm going, it's not a party. You're dying you're puking,
Speaker 1: you're stumbling, you're bumping into people. That's not a parties
Speaker 1: around a campfire with some killer music and some chicks
Speaker 1: where you're cognizant of the chicks. If you're comfortably numb,
Speaker 1: you're your your a liability you can't do in your
Speaker 1: late You know, the song goes like this your dirt bag.
Speaker 1: There's a win went through so many musicians, so you know,
Speaker 1: all this makes sense as a recipe to what made
Speaker 1: me what I am. But also, Clay, come on, let's
Speaker 1: admit it. I am a defiant, cocky son of a boot.
Speaker 1: And if you want to convince me of anything to
Speaker 1: try this doper, this cocaine, you're gonna have to penetrate
Speaker 1: my intellectual shield that it's going to be was not
Speaker 1: to do it when everybody else was done. Yes, I
Speaker 1: rebelled against the inescapable stupidity of the drooling and puking
Speaker 1: and dying Clay did. I turned down Jimmy Hendricks dope
Speaker 1: and I said no, and it's gonna kill you. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Hendrix tried to right this close you and me,
Speaker 1: Keith Moon of the who not Keith, You got buggers
Speaker 1: coming out of your nose. You you just think, no,
Speaker 1: it's gonna kill you. I said the words it's gonna
Speaker 1: kill you. Jimi Hendrix, Keith Moon, Bond, Scott A C
Speaker 1: D C. John Belushi, Sam Kenderson. Luckily Sam sobered up
Speaker 1: and then he unfortunately died in a car wreckt Over
Speaker 1: over again, John Entwhistle of the who I go, No,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I know it's gonna kill you. And
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys you've never heard of that were
Speaker 1: just geniuses, Oh my God gifted musical forces. And they
Speaker 1: thought they had to just like punks used to laugh
Speaker 1: at me, said how can your rock? And they felt,
Speaker 1: how can you rock? And knocket high? They think they
Speaker 1: had to do that to rock out? No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, and get and guess who all the good clean,
Speaker 1: pretty girls want clean and sober guys, you jerks um.
Speaker 1: So there was. You know, the God rewarded me in
Speaker 1: different ways. But so that song articulates the clear and
Speaker 1: present system of decision making. And again it goes back
Speaker 1: to the discipline. You had to do the right thing.
Speaker 1: My dad. Knock your block off, Remember the term knock
Speaker 1: your block off. You really would knock your block off,
Speaker 1: it's awesome. And if you can meet all my sons
Speaker 1: and daughters and all my grandkids, that Poppy I'm a
Speaker 1: I'm I got, I got eleven of them, and when
Speaker 1: I show up, all of a sudden things get a
Speaker 1: little bit more organized. And even though they all shooting
Speaker 1: hunt and they love off roading with Poppy, and they
Speaker 1: love wrestling and I you know there's a woodchuck in
Speaker 1: their garden, they know who to call. So so it's
Speaker 1: really served me well. But the song says it all.
Speaker 1: They hadn't invented peer pressure yet, seems I stood alone
Speaker 1: when my daddy had a vision, love, family and a home. Well,
Speaker 1: how on hip is that? How cool am I? How
Speaker 1: how prioritized? How smart was I? Yeah? Do you know
Speaker 1: any other musicians that were in your that would have
Speaker 1: been a peer of yours that took on that stance? Well,
Speaker 1: first of there there's different categories of peers. I've been
Speaker 1: surrounded by the world's greatest virtuous was all my life.
Speaker 1: I mean, my musicians in all my different bands, the
Speaker 1: best that ever walked the earth. And when you're when
Speaker 1: they're not in my band, typically September through Marsh, it
Speaker 1: is because I'm not available. Um. They worked with the
Speaker 1: greatest artists on the planet. UM. But as far as
Speaker 1: peer on a on a human, spiritual, freeman American level, UM,
Speaker 1: I would say some great great guys, a lot of
Speaker 1: straight guys. My band Jason Heartlet was twenty year oldrummer
Speaker 1: from Detroit, Clean and Sober Monster. Greg Smith my longtime
Speaker 1: bass player from Pennsylvania, Clean and Sober Monster. I could
Speaker 1: name so many my Damn Yankees buddies. I'm sure they
Speaker 1: had some history of this stuff. They'll probably Michael Cardiloni
Speaker 1: didn't because he was so young when he joined the
Speaker 1: Damn Yankees. UM. So there's a lot of clean and
Speaker 1: sober guys out there now, and a lot of them
Speaker 1: saved their lives by by stopping in time to retain
Speaker 1: some brain matter, and many didn't. But I think of
Speaker 1: Gene Simmons of Kiss, he's been cleaning sober all his life. UM.
Speaker 1: I'm hard us to think of someone else. Maybe Ricky
Speaker 1: Medlock of Blackfoot and Leonard Skinners. I think I had
Speaker 1: him on my spirit campfire recently, and if he hasn't
Speaker 1: been cleaning sober all his life, he is so upbeat
Speaker 1: and so tuned in and as an Indian, as a
Speaker 1: Native American. He and I really have a bond. And
Speaker 1: I would venture to say that Ricky Medlock has never
Speaker 1: been started or drunk because he's just too tuned in.
Speaker 1: He doesn't miss nothing. In other words, I test my
Speaker 1: friends by just flicking a pick in the air, and
Speaker 1: the ones that catch it I feel. Hey. So, okay,
Speaker 1: now I've heard you talk about your guitar playing like
Speaker 1: it's a beast. Okay, okay, we're not on the air,
Speaker 1: and you're not talking about yourself. You're outside of your body.
Speaker 1: Often when I played my guitar, I am, by the way,
Speaker 1: I swear to God, I'm a fan of the music.
Speaker 1: Honest question, and I know you're gonna give me an
Speaker 1: honest answer. How good of a guitar player are you?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I mean, I know, I know I'm
Speaker 1: as good. I'm as good as anybody that's ever walked
Speaker 1: the earth. I don't care who you mentioned. I know
Speaker 1: him all, I probably played with them all, and I'm
Speaker 1: I've got no reason to not believe you. There. The
Speaker 1: songs I've written are monstrosity soundtracks. Two people's lives I
Speaker 1: have who are some of the other great guitar players.
Speaker 1: There's so many. I mean my my guitar player, Derek
Speaker 1: Saint Holmes for so many years, Ricky Medlock, Billy Gibbons. Uh,
Speaker 1: Tommy Shaw. They never mentioned Tommy Shaw. He's a monster. Um.
Speaker 1: Certainly Eddie van Halen and certainly Clapton and Page and
Speaker 1: back and Brian may and um, Sammy Hagers and monster
Speaker 1: Sammy's guitar player, Vick Johnson's a monster. Um. Ronnie Montrose
Speaker 1: was a monster. Of course, you go back to Dick
Speaker 1: Dale and Lonnie Mack and Dwayne Eddie and Chuck Berry
Speaker 1: and Bow Diddley. Um. Obviously Jimmy Hendrix was an earth mover. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's so many monster uh. Rich who plays with Toby
Speaker 1: Keith as a monster on guitar? Uh. Some of these
Speaker 1: country guys, though their tone is horrible and they don't
Speaker 1: put them up in the mix where they belong. Brad
Speaker 1: Paisley and the funny haircut from Australia. Um, I can't
Speaker 1: think of his name right now, but they're monsters. Shmayne
Speaker 1: knows who they are. Um, and I apologize for not
Speaker 1: knowing his name. Uh. So there's guitars are such a
Speaker 1: sensual individual expression. I mean, this is I want you
Speaker 1: to play Fred bare Force. I will, But this is
Speaker 1: my electric guitar. This is my Gibson Birdland. How long
Speaker 1: have you had this guitar? Um for? Probably it looks
Speaker 1: pushing fifty years. It looks like it's been played a little.
Speaker 1: And if you offered me three hundred thousand dollars, I
Speaker 1: would have to turn you down, which I already have
Speaker 1: on numerous occasions. But this is a this is a
Speaker 1: really unique Truman that uh was made as a jazz
Speaker 1: guitar in Kalamazoo, Michigan. What kind of guitar is this?
Speaker 1: This is a Gibson Birdland B y R D L
Speaker 1: A N D. It's a hollow body that has the
Speaker 1: greatest tone in the world. Listen, listen how smooth you
Speaker 1: can make it sound, and then you can make it
Speaker 1: sound really nasty. Um probably looked too loud for your equivactor.
Speaker 1: It does this. It talks to me. It talks to me. Oh,
Speaker 1: here we go. There it is I'm looking for a
Speaker 1: flag to salute. Look around, there's a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: military flags that have flown over battlefield. There we go.
Speaker 1: Bright On mystical flight of the guitar. Um. That was beautiful.
Speaker 1: It's such a such an independently expressive instrument because you
Speaker 1: can bend notes and go where there're semi tones where
Speaker 1: no other instruments can go, especially with a bird land.
Speaker 1: I've cultivated the feedback sonics, the overtones, the the the
Speaker 1: unbelievable unlimited voice of noise, and I've actually whooped it
Speaker 1: into melodies and patterns because it's so noisy, and you
Speaker 1: stand in front of an apple, it's just feedback and
Speaker 1: eat your face, which is a challenge every night. But yeah,
Speaker 1: guitars and bows and arrows, man. Yeah, it's been a beautiful,
Speaker 1: beautiful thing. Well, hey, we'll end here with a little
Speaker 1: talk about bears. Tell me, tell me, tell me where
Speaker 1: you're You're a lifelong bear hunter all my life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: back in Michigan, you could, uh didn't even need a tag.
Speaker 1: You can hunt bears during the deer season. Um. And
Speaker 1: I think at one time, when they first made him
Speaker 1: a big game man, we could buy a tag over
Speaker 1: the counter for five bucks. You're going back up there
Speaker 1: this fall, Clay after seventeen years, and this is a
Speaker 1: this hearkens back to my condemnation of overreaching bureaucrats again
Speaker 1: up in the Lake County north of Baldwin, where we
Speaker 1: have our property and my sister lives, bears are dangerously
Speaker 1: overpopulated the nuisance bear complaints, putting them in the liability
Speaker 1: column instead of the asset column. We're supposed to have
Speaker 1: sound science. In fact, the law in Michigan, I hope
Speaker 1: it is everywhere, is that wildlife has to be managed
Speaker 1: based on sound science. There is no sound science to
Speaker 1: be found in Michigan. You want your heartbroke. There are
Speaker 1: so many sand hill cranes, Ribby's in the sky. Follow
Speaker 1: me on this. I talked a moment ago about immoral
Speaker 1: laws some human beings. I'm giving them the benefit of
Speaker 1: the doubt. We're in a room in Lansing, Michigan, who
Speaker 1: have credentials in wildlife management, Natural Resource Commission, Department Natural Resources.
Speaker 1: These human beings were in a room and agreed that
Speaker 1: after years of intense and increasing complaints by the agricultural
Speaker 1: community that the sand hill cranes were destroying millions of
Speaker 1: dollars worth of crops each year, that they decided you
Speaker 1: can shoot a ribby in the sky on site, but
Speaker 1: it's you're forbidden to consume them. Mm hmm. It's a disaster.
Speaker 1: That is a disaster when human beings with wildlife credentials
Speaker 1: can even think in those immoral terms and then make
Speaker 1: such an immoral decrease. So let's go back to bears.
Speaker 1: So for over a dozen years the bear population has
Speaker 1: been expanding, hallelujah. And we have forensic evidence up in
Speaker 1: the UH the I believe it's called the Turtle Club
Speaker 1: areas like acres historical going back to the early nineteen
Speaker 1: club where they's just have been ravaged by bears. There's
Speaker 1: bears everywhere and they can't draw a tag. I think
Speaker 1: they a lot on this is they a lot three
Speaker 1: tags a year. Well, they went and they did studies.
Speaker 1: They put the barbed wire in the bait, and they
Speaker 1: got the hair, and they did forensic studies and everything
Speaker 1: they want. You know, there's there's not thirty two bears
Speaker 1: in the place. There's three bears on the place, three
Speaker 1: tags only. So in my area, on my property, I've
Speaker 1: been begging nobody can have a bird in the up. No,
Speaker 1: I'm up in this northern UH the Lower Peninsula up
Speaker 1: near the Manistee National Forest Factory. Were in the Manistee
Speaker 1: National Forest. So kids are being chased home from bus stops.
Speaker 1: You see bears daylight hours. They're not afraid of humans
Speaker 1: at all. They follow your truck into the cabin. Um
Speaker 1: just just inescapable, unambiguous indicators of dangerous overpopulations. And so
Speaker 1: I finally drew a tag after seventeen years. And even
Speaker 1: though I'm just identifying the bad and the ugly part, now,
Speaker 1: the good part is that I can't wait. It's like,
Speaker 1: is there something special about hunting anyway? Um, whether successful
Speaker 1: or not? And then there's really something special about being successful,
Speaker 1: the venison, the spirit, the sense of accomplishment. But when
Speaker 1: you I've lived a life like I have, and I've changed,
Speaker 1: you know, farmland from hayfields to towering forests that I've
Speaker 1: had I planted myself, and you kill a deer out
Speaker 1: of a forest that you planted, it's one of the
Speaker 1: greatest joys of life. Almost on a parallel with welcoming
Speaker 1: a child into your family at birth, you know, not
Speaker 1: quite but close. Well, for all my life I've known
Speaker 1: the bears have been exploding up there, And so I
Speaker 1: drew a tag, and I'm so excited to go out
Speaker 1: there and start my baiting legally on August and my
Speaker 1: tag is good for September, and I suspect yeah, so
Speaker 1: I'm heading up there soon. So with with the population
Speaker 1: of bears up there, I have a funny feeling I
Speaker 1: can be real patient and wait for a big old
Speaker 1: bore and I'm planting on it. And my bait system
Speaker 1: is so proven with the bacon and the syrup and
Speaker 1: the dog food and the marshmallows and the beaver. I
Speaker 1: got a bunch of beaver carcasses. So I expect to
Speaker 1: be surrounded by bears. Of course, I have the eternal optimists.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'll get skunked for a few days, but
Speaker 1: I expect great, great things that can't wait. That's excellent.
Speaker 1: You know we uh, we have a all end with this,
Speaker 1: and you can you can tell me what you think.
Speaker 1: The We have a phrase that we're using called guard
Speaker 1: the Gate ted, which basically bear hunting in all its forms, baiting, hounds,
Speaker 1: spot and stop. You know we I love every one
Speaker 1: of them, and I love them equally, and they're all
Speaker 1: equally important exactly for management tools. And so I believe
Speaker 1: that in the broader spectrum of North American hunting, bear
Speaker 1: hunting and predator hunting specifically is important because it is
Speaker 1: the entry point for the anti hunting community to come
Speaker 1: into ourselves. Was proven in the trapp fiasco of the
Speaker 1: of the nineteen sixties when they would manufacture photos of
Speaker 1: a dead raccoon they find on the road that's half
Speaker 1: you know, deteriorated. Then they clamp a foothold trap on
Speaker 1: it and claim that trapping is cruel. And because the
Speaker 1: trappers were isolated, that's that cannibalism and in breeding men
Speaker 1: talk about. Nobody from the hunting or the gun industry
Speaker 1: came to the defense of the trappers. I immediately training
Speaker 1: the National Trappers Lal, and you'll notice, Clay Nuclem that
Speaker 1: you in my thousands upon thousands of interviews promoting conservation,
Speaker 1: I and I think I alone, have always said hunting, fishing,
Speaker 1: and trapping critical management tools for healthy balance. If you
Speaker 1: want quality wildlife and quality air, soil and water production
Speaker 1: from a balanced managed habitat, so trapping is critical because
Speaker 1: it's it's the number one your entry level for the
Speaker 1: the dishonesty and the anti nature, anti hunting people. You're
Speaker 1: absolutely correct well, and and so inside the hunting space,
Speaker 1: what we're doing a Baronning magazine is trying to educate
Speaker 1: people that aren't bear hunters, that don't understand some of
Speaker 1: the management tools that we use, like dogs, like bait,
Speaker 1: like we need those and to bring unity so that
Speaker 1: we can have those guys that love hunting, that love
Speaker 1: North American hunting come to our aid as the anti
Speaker 1: hunting community tries to incrementally knock off pieces, I mean,
Speaker 1: just like they do in Michigan, just like they do
Speaker 1: anywhere there's a hound season. And so we have this
Speaker 1: hashtag guard the Gate, which guard the Gate means that
Speaker 1: we have to unify. Like so even if you're not
Speaker 1: at the whole point is even if you're not a
Speaker 1: bear hunter, Like there's guys that will never that will
Speaker 1: never hunt a bear over bait, they'll never hunt with dogs.
Speaker 1: But if they love North American hunting, if they love conservation,
Speaker 1: they need to come in and to at least give
Speaker 1: vocal support and not tear down things that maybe they
Speaker 1: don't understand. So anyway, guard the Gate. You know, we're
Speaker 1: trying to We're trying to recruit the help through education,
Speaker 1: Like because man, we we nerd out about biting bears.
Speaker 1: We nerd out about hounds, and we're introducing it to
Speaker 1: a bunch of people that would hunters that would have
Speaker 1: no exposure to it not understand it and think that
Speaker 1: it was negative. And it's working. It's working well that
Speaker 1: you've witnessed. And if there's a battle cry, guard the gate. Hello,
Speaker 1: that's what I've been doing my whole life. And I
Speaker 1: I saw right away because I've always trapped. I always
Speaker 1: ran a trap line. I'm not a professional trapper, but
Speaker 1: I started with you know, muskrats and beavers and coons
Speaker 1: and possums and skunks, and I fascinated when you approach
Speaker 1: that trap to just said it right, what do you got?
Speaker 1: It's it's one of the greatest hunting, wildlife management, exciting
Speaker 1: fun techniques that you can indulge in. So yes, uh,
Speaker 1: I would like to think that in my experience, I'm
Speaker 1: sure I'm sure yours reflects this. That most hunters that
Speaker 1: don't hunt over bait for anything, whether there's lions or
Speaker 1: bears or do or ducks. By the way, when you
Speaker 1: hunt over bait with ducks, the government allows you to
Speaker 1: hunt a flooded cornfield, but don't spill a colonel. That's
Speaker 1: like that kind of things they've talking about. It's not
Speaker 1: can I shoot six ducks or can't I just shut
Speaker 1: up and leave me alone. Anyhow, bear hunting hounds and
Speaker 1: bait and expanded opportunities are one of my main battle cries.
Speaker 1: Because I don't know if you follow me closely or not.
Speaker 1: But you know why there's a bear season in New Jersey.
Speaker 1: You know who lobbied the legislator and the Game department,
Speaker 1: Your old buddy, Ted Nugent. I. I did that with
Speaker 1: a bunch of New Jersey buddies of mine. And again,
Speaker 1: what was the biggest voice against US hunters that think
Speaker 1: it's unfair to anybody can put out a door and
Speaker 1: shot the bear. Well, show me now that but you
Speaker 1: can't even use the donor I can't. You can't now
Speaker 1: because we kept pushing so and then the Pennsylvania the
Speaker 1: one day bear season I just hammered and hammered against.
Speaker 1: That's not a hunting trip. That's I don't know what
Speaker 1: that is, but it's not a hunt. Um so yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And where I promise you this, wherever a stupid hunting
Speaker 1: law has been gotten rid of or a better law
Speaker 1: has gone in, I have a footprint there, I all
Speaker 1: fifty states, every Canadian province up in Scotland hunting the
Speaker 1: Red Stagg in Inverness. So yes, I've always been a fighter,
Speaker 1: not just an advocate. I don't not like, I don't
Speaker 1: mention his name. One of the biggest powerful celebrities on
Speaker 1: planet Earth lives to hunt. Not a word out of
Speaker 1: him because well, I'm on it shows me hunting. Sometimes
Speaker 1: that's not it Isn't that good enough? Man? People in
Speaker 1: your Hollywood community hate what we do, and you have
Speaker 1: an opportunity to educate him. Tell them how fulfilling and
Speaker 1: how important it isn't balancing the hers so they're an
Speaker 1: asset instead of a liability thanks to the U. S
Speaker 1: d A and they the game departments. So yes, um
Speaker 1: hounds in bait. The Colorado thing is California just vulgar
Speaker 1: the anti hunting laws and what's worst of them all,
Speaker 1: Just like Jack Schmidt, there's a whole bunch of game
Speaker 1: wardens and game agencies out there that qualify as no
Speaker 1: soul and no conscious because they enforced laws that they
Speaker 1: know are against nature. You can't not hunt bears in
Speaker 1: California over hounds in bait, but then authorized tax dollars
Speaker 1: to go for a guy to clean up your mess
Speaker 1: for you because you didn't add adequately harvested reno Lake Taho.
Speaker 1: You're aware of all these frontline battles, so I raised
Speaker 1: hell all I can. And then they go at Nugent's
Speaker 1: a coward, he's up in a tree, and or he's
Speaker 1: got the hounds. Anybody can shoot a bear over hound.
Speaker 1: I'll give you five years, five years from now, you
Speaker 1: come back and tell me how many bears you hunted
Speaker 1: over house. Nothing to you. Clime the mountain, climb the
Speaker 1: mountain and said, breast stroke through that, Marsh. I know, uh, Ted.
Speaker 1: I appreciate your appreciate your boldness. I appreciate the strength
Speaker 1: of identity that you have. I've always appreciated people that
Speaker 1: knew who they were, that had a super strong internal constitution,
Speaker 1: conscience and uh and uh and then that's that's what
Speaker 1: I've always valued about you and your your Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can't thank you enough for for us come over here
Speaker 1: to the culture. War started against hunting and then came
Speaker 1: well and and part of that was anti trapping, and
Speaker 1: they succeeded and within a year they had to hire
Speaker 1: people to go to kill the beavers that were flooding
Speaker 1: all the driveways and all the golf courses. But nobody
Speaker 1: promoted that didn't hear the story and outdoor lay for
Speaker 1: field or stream or sports the field. He didn't hear
Speaker 1: at the Pope and Young banquet, or at the Boone
Speaker 1: and Crockett banquet, or the Ducks and a limited banquet,
Speaker 1: or the finals or anybody they were. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of inbreeding going on where it. As long as I
Speaker 1: get my dollar for the ducks, I don't want to
Speaker 1: get involved with that. Gun rights, well then you're not
Speaker 1: my friend. And you can't duck hunt without guns. And
Speaker 1: why do we have a three shell limit that was
Speaker 1: implemented in seven during the dust ball? Why can't I
Speaker 1: shoot two pheasants but have five shells, but six ducks
Speaker 1: don't have three shells? Well, we don't want skybusting with
Speaker 1: the sky busting with three shells. See if there's a
Speaker 1: lot of these issues that are are so called leadership
Speaker 1: is scared to death to address because they might be
Speaker 1: called an ethico WHOA why would you need more than
Speaker 1: three shells? Are you a game hog? If you can't
Speaker 1: CounterPunch that nonsense, then you're not the leader of anything.
Speaker 1: And so I've seen the failure of our own guys
Speaker 1: step forward with all these regulations that have destroyed the
Speaker 1: hunting culture. And I'm telling you the heartbreaking stories I
Speaker 1: hear all the time. I was busted because I forgot
Speaker 1: to put my plug in the gun. I only had
Speaker 1: three ducks. Mr game Warden, is this about wildlife management?
Speaker 1: He shut three ducks, He had a shell out of
Speaker 1: his gun. There was a law in nineteen thirty seven.
Speaker 1: I want instead of giving him a ticket, go to
Speaker 1: your boss and say change the law. I need to
Speaker 1: shoot six ducks and I might only go a couple
Speaker 1: of weekends a year. Leave me alone. Let me spend
Speaker 1: the money on food, lodging, hotels, grocery supplies, tax nermus ice,
Speaker 1: gas licenses, shotgun shell Let me spend my money instead
Speaker 1: of going no, you're you're had. I snuck a fourth
Speaker 1: shell in your gun? What is that? And I know
Speaker 1: you thought that Chris Brackett example, that was a major offense.
Speaker 1: I want you to learn it's not a major offense.
Speaker 1: I can I started giving you a list of major
Speaker 1: offenses and shooting in a duck with four shells in
Speaker 1: your gun ain't one of turned it into that they
Speaker 1: brainwashed us that that shooting a I don't know you.
Speaker 1: In Pennsylvania, it's a felony to illegally shoot a deer,
Speaker 1: the same as molesting a child who doesn't see the difference.
Speaker 1: And plus what what is the everybody in Pennsylvania want
Speaker 1: more deer killed. I'm with you. So that is a
Speaker 1: bold leap out of the status quo mentality that we're
Speaker 1: scared of our own shadow or your own ethical news
Speaker 1: on ethical uses bait. He's on ethical. He killed more
Speaker 1: deer than I did last year. Shut the I'm ethical.
Speaker 1: I'm doing the good thing. Everything I do is based
Speaker 1: on science. I know my habitat carrying capacity. I know
Speaker 1: many fonds there are. I know mo much land I got.
Speaker 1: I know what happens in January and February. I need
Speaker 1: to kill some deer. Shut up and have a backstrap
Speaker 1: right on. So thank you for pursuing this. I appreciate
Speaker 1: it because I I think getting the word, getting a
Speaker 1: sensible word, questioning status quo, questioning tradition because the tradition
Speaker 1: has been bastardized. It isn't the tradition I was raised with.
Speaker 1: November fifteenth, I got a license. I got a tag,
Speaker 1: and I got it. Not six leave me alone? Shoot
Speaker 1: a deer? Is it over eight corns? It is over
Speaker 1: the spilled where the combine turned? Or did I put
Speaker 1: the apples there? They eat apples. If I move the apples,
Speaker 1: it doesn't cause disease. It's apples. But it's against the law. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's nuts. So I can tell you stories about kids
Speaker 1: that quit the sport because they got caught moving apples.
Speaker 1: What is that? What is that? So thank you for
Speaker 1: what you do. God, bless the mighty spirit of the bear.
Speaker 1: And I will hunt forever. I just want to go
Speaker 1: hunt and it makes me feel so good. I just
Speaker 1: want to go hunt and try to find me in
Speaker 1: the woods. Baby. That's right, thanks to Ton teds Wild
Speaker 1: because that's where the bears. That's the and you know,
Speaker 1: the ultimate what I've turned most heads with. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you heard my Joe Rogan three and a
Speaker 1: half hour podcast, world record, world record podcast. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: because he's gotten into hunting recently, and uh he's talking
Speaker 1: about the vegans and they you know, they have a
Speaker 1: they have a foundation of there. As long as they
Speaker 1: don't eat meating, I won't no, they don't. And I
Speaker 1: explained to him, and here you could see him for
Speaker 1: his brow and tilt his head. As I'm explained, I go,
Speaker 1: you know how you get to a food, don't you?
Speaker 1: You know why crows and seagulls follow the tractor, don't you.
Speaker 1: The farmer's killing everything. He's dismembering everything, every shrew, every vol,
Speaker 1: every go for, every song bird, every quail, every pheasant,
Speaker 1: every egg, every turtle, every mouse, He's killed them all.
Speaker 1: They're the birds are following to eat the dismembered animals
Speaker 1: that he's slaughtered by the trillions for your salad. And
Speaker 1: then you have a glass of wine and an animal
Speaker 1: rights protest. Have you ever met a vineyard operator? You
Speaker 1: know what they kill to save those grapes. Everything. They
Speaker 1: have a poison drip for coons and possums and skunks
Speaker 1: and golfers and squirrels. They have a poison drip. You know.
Speaker 1: I heard Shane Mahoney say that if everyone in the
Speaker 1: United States went vegan, they would have to turn a
Speaker 1: piece of ground the size of Canada into agriculture in
Speaker 1: order to feel that, and and how much wildlife with
Speaker 1: that can kill everything that's dared to enter it, and
Speaker 1: if they don't get it with the disk and the plow,
Speaker 1: they come back a week later with man Santo and
Speaker 1: anything that might have slithered back on three legs is
Speaker 1: gonna be poisoned to death for your tofu salad. And
Speaker 1: Joe actually said, he goes, I never thought of it
Speaker 1: that way. Wait, that's why I'm here. And by the way,
Speaker 1: the sunami on my Facebook and through my office of
Speaker 1: people that went I used to hate you because you
Speaker 1: were coward and killed innocent animals. I listened to Joe
Speaker 1: Rogan and you completely woke me up. Change my mind
Speaker 1: because I can't deny it. I can't deny the disc
Speaker 1: didn't dismember anything. I can't deny that plow didn't dismember anything.
Speaker 1: I can't deny that man Sano didn't poison anything. Duh.
Speaker 1: So I think I really believe I've been I'm on
Speaker 1: a mission of God. I see political correctness and the
Speaker 1: denial of the urbanization of wild ground and the denial
Speaker 1: that it creates and nurtures. And I've been a I've
Speaker 1: been a big giant rock of reality and people suit
Speaker 1: that Gary getting splashed with inescapable truisms science. So I'll
Speaker 1: stand here, but I'm a I'm a keeper of the gate,
Speaker 1: keeper of the gate. Thank you, and thank you for
Speaker 1: making this long trip. But yeah, you gotta hear Fred Bearer.
Speaker 1: That's right, don't you. Yeah, you've got the energy for it.
Speaker 1: In the time you think, all right, the song, what
Speaker 1: year do you write this? Well? What a story? So
Speaker 1: I met Fred about nineteen fifty four, nineteen fifty five
Speaker 1: on our angel trip nor Yeah, you were just six
Speaker 1: seven years old. And he wasn't anybody. He just had
Speaker 1: a little shock, said bar archery over the top. Literally,
Speaker 1: it was kind of a yellowish cinder block shock. The
Speaker 1: buildings still up there, I don't think so, huh. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't greatly And my dad, you know, it's just
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, we'll stop at the Fred Bear shack.
Speaker 1: And we stopped and meet this tall, lanky guy. Every year.
Speaker 1: What what a story? And if I was already a
Speaker 1: bow and arrow maniac kid, and my whole life was
Speaker 1: bows and arrows and guitars every day down to the river,
Speaker 1: shooting critters and shooting stumps and clumps of dirt and
Speaker 1: going to Miller's feed store and smelling the grain and
Speaker 1: the beautiful new artistic recurves on the wall over the years.
Speaker 1: And then I started realizing, I'm stopping at this place,
Speaker 1: and that's Fred Barry. He's on the cover of True
Speaker 1: magazine with a grizzly bear. Wow, it's quite a bow.
Speaker 1: And he has like the Chuck Berry of archery man.
Speaker 1: So I started becoming a little giddy, and I couldn't
Speaker 1: wait to get up there. And Fred was so kind,
Speaker 1: such a gentleman, such a loving, funny guy. And we'd
Speaker 1: go to the grailing restaurant. He'd ordered cherry pie and
Speaker 1: chocolate milk, and I'd have cherry pie chocolate milk and
Speaker 1: were able to you know, I was too young to
Speaker 1: really engage in any meaningful dialogue, but I was. And
Speaker 1: then eventually my dad, who ended up working for a
Speaker 1: sweetish steel company, you know, worked with Fred because we
Speaker 1: stopped you they were friends, and my dad ended up
Speaker 1: in a way working for Bear Archery Produce. Seen the
Speaker 1: Cold Road blue tempered spring steel that went into the
Speaker 1: bare bleeder blade of the razorhead. What a great thing, huh,
Speaker 1: What a great connection. So I couldn't wait to go
Speaker 1: north to see Fred more than even bow hunting, and
Speaker 1: I was not a very good bow hunter when it
Speaker 1: came to deer, but I was pretty deadly on the
Speaker 1: river rats. And so eventually when I moved to Chicago,
Speaker 1: uh my dad was transferred in sixty five, so st
Speaker 1: and sixty six in Chicago. I graduated six or seven,
Speaker 1: came right back to Michigan with the amboy Dukes, and
Speaker 1: I went up to Grain and now it's not a shock.
Speaker 1: It's the biggest archery company on the planet, this huge museum,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't wait to get back up that. I
Speaker 1: reintroduced myself and I'm a long haired rock and roller now.
Speaker 1: And Fred was a little office, you know, because there's
Speaker 1: a perceived image that's looking right behind you. Look at that.
Speaker 1: Where do we go runner? Oh wow, he's right on
Speaker 1: the right in the porch, right on the porch. And
Speaker 1: uh so I had to kind of reconvinced Fred that
Speaker 1: I was okay, because he thought rocket roll dope and
Speaker 1: drugs and goofballs. But he told me in a subsequent
Speaker 1: meeting that all his buddy says, no, no, no, This
Speaker 1: nugent guy shoots his bow and arrow on stage and
Speaker 1: he's always raving about clean and sober, and he's pro
Speaker 1: law enforcement. When the hippies want to off the pigs,
Speaker 1: he goes, you gotta this guy's all right. And he
Speaker 1: always promotes the mystical flight of the arrow. He talks
Speaker 1: about it in Rocket Roll interviews. And so Fred mentioned
Speaker 1: that he heard that long story short. So I hunt
Speaker 1: with him every year, couldn't wait to get up there
Speaker 1: to Rose City at Grouse Haven, and uh in sixty
Speaker 1: and eight seven I was up there with him and
Speaker 1: all his reps were there, the bar archery people, and
Speaker 1: we went for walks when everybody else went hunt and
Speaker 1: Fred didn't hunt those last couple of years. Um. And
Speaker 1: he had the oxygen bottle with him everywhere, and we
Speaker 1: went for walks down the lane at Grouse Haven. We're
Speaker 1: just talking and talking, and he shared with me Clay
Speaker 1: that he said, you know, I go to all these
Speaker 1: sporting events and they all know that. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I started bar archery in Michigan, and anybody under forty,
Speaker 1: all they want to know is if I know Ted Doogon,
Speaker 1: Because I had trying to brought visibility to bone arrow
Speaker 1: with flaming arrows on stage. Crazy antics and stuff. But
Speaker 1: you're gonna promote something, That's how you do it, I think,
Speaker 1: And and then always talking about my hunting trips and
Speaker 1: backstraps and and so he said, you just keep what
Speaker 1: you're doing. And he says, I've also heard the critics.
Speaker 1: People thought you made a mistake by saying whack him
Speaker 1: and stack them. But what does that mean, kill him
Speaker 1: and butcher them? Or semantics? He goes to young people,
Speaker 1: that turns them on. It shows that you're having fun.
Speaker 1: What's wrong with whack and stack? How about if I
Speaker 1: just harvest in skin? What what the hell's the difference?
Speaker 1: But you you go ahead and be uh, you go
Speaker 1: ahead and be uh um uh Wayne Newton, I'll be
Speaker 1: Chuck berry um. And so we spent that last October
Speaker 1: together for about a week, and then the next spring
Speaker 1: he died and I went out to do my chores
Speaker 1: one day, and we're all shattered at his death. It
Speaker 1: was just it was just unbelievable because he made such
Speaker 1: an imprint on everybody. He's a great, great man. Did
Speaker 1: you ever meet him? Well, you're going to meet him
Speaker 1: right now. And so I went out to do my chores.
Speaker 1: I had my dog, biscuits, my Irish setters porch. I
Speaker 1: went and I grabbed the guitar, and I just I
Speaker 1: didn't know. I had no idea, I wasn't thinking of Fred.
Speaker 1: I just sat down, I went I always played killer
Speaker 1: licks when I picked up the guitar, but I never
Speaker 1: played one like this before. There I was back in
Speaker 1: a while again, and I felt right at home where
Speaker 1: I belong. And I had that feeling coming over me again,
Speaker 1: just like it happened so many times before, so many times.
Speaker 1: The spirit of the woods, he is like an old
Speaker 1: good friend, makes me feel warm and good inside. I
Speaker 1: know his name. It's good to see him again because
Speaker 1: in the wind he's still a live talking about Fred Bear.
Speaker 1: Walk with me down the trails again and take me back,
Speaker 1: take me back. I've a long Fred Bear. I'm glad
Speaker 1: to have you with my side, my friend, and I
Speaker 1: will join you on the big hunt before too long.
Speaker 1: M h. And it was kind of dark, another misty dusk,
Speaker 1: and it came from a tangle down below. And I tried.
Speaker 1: I tried to remember everything he taught me so well.
Speaker 1: I had to decide which way to go. Was I
Speaker 1: alone or in a hunter's dream? The moment of truth
Speaker 1: is here, and now I felt his touch, I felt
Speaker 1: his guide in hand, and the buckar was mine for
Speaker 1: evermore because of Fred Bear. I still walk down those
Speaker 1: trails again. He takes me back, takes me back. I
Speaker 1: be long, fred Fred Bear. I'm glad to have you
Speaker 1: in beside, my friend, and I will join you on
Speaker 1: the big hunt before too long. And we're not alone
Speaker 1: when we're in the great outdoors. We got his spirit,
Speaker 1: we got his soul, and he GUIDs my steps. Guid's
Speaker 1: my arrows home. The restless spirit for ever roams, and
Speaker 1: it roams with Fred Bear. When I walk down those
Speaker 1: trails again, he takes me back, takes me back. I belong,
Speaker 1: fred Bear. I'm glad to have you with my side,
Speaker 1: my friend, and I will join you on the big
Speaker 1: hunt before too long. Because in the wind, he's still
Speaker 1: alive in the wind, He's still alive in the wind.
Speaker 1: I can hear. I hear Fred Bear. I hear you,
Speaker 1: fred Hey, fred Let's go hunt, buddy, Calm, you go
Speaker 1: up that ridge. I'll go down to the swamp. Baby,
Speaker 1: give that book right on. I this bump, I sang it.
Speaker 1: I sang it. Then I had to go back and
Speaker 1: remember what I sang. And I never played any of
Speaker 1: that great lick So that's that spirit of the wild
Speaker 1: I do believe and that song you you you can
Speaker 1: only imagine what people have said about this song, feuding
Speaker 1: families that heard it in different parts of the country
Speaker 1: that got back together. Chris Campbell of the United States
Speaker 1: Navy Seals, whose last request was for me to play
Speaker 1: it at his funeral, and I was all set to
Speaker 1: go do it at the request of Marcus the trial,
Speaker 1: Barack Obama told me I couldn't come. M and thousands
Speaker 1: of people, especially these kids. If you go to my face,
Speaker 1: you gotta go to my faith. You want to know
Speaker 1: what the hunting world thinks. You want to know what
Speaker 1: the non hunting world thinks. My Facebook. It's the only
Speaker 1: place you're gonna find out. Yeah, three and a half
Speaker 1: three point seven million. I just did an interview I
Speaker 1: had before November. I had between eighteen million and thirty
Speaker 1: six million Facebook reach every day, thirty six million after
Speaker 1: the election, three point seven Google Boys, Zuckerburger's sensors, Marxists.
Speaker 1: But still with all those three point seven go to
Speaker 1: my Facebook and listen to the wonderfully supportive comments. I
Speaker 1: don't hunt, but I think it's great. I wish I
Speaker 1: could get some venit. You know, I'm a hunter, but
Speaker 1: I never bow hunter? How do I do? What kind
Speaker 1: of what do I get? It's unbelievable. It's to me,
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, baby, recruit retain. You know there's a
Speaker 1: there's a verse in that song where it says, I'll
Speaker 1: join you in the big hunt before too long. Verse.
Speaker 1: Does a seventy two year old Ted Nugent think about
Speaker 1: think about death very rarely, only in perspective of my family,
Speaker 1: because my kids the showering me with love, and every
Speaker 1: year I see an increase in showering of love because
Speaker 1: they know that there's a lot of guys my age dying.
Speaker 1: But I'm so focused on living and I take really
Speaker 1: good care of myself. But you never know. Lightning can
Speaker 1: strike in any various fashion, whether it's Chinese communist viruses
Speaker 1: or some dirtbag drunk driver that's been let out after
Speaker 1: twenty times. Um though I'll probably Dodgeman then shoot him.
Speaker 1: Uh so. So I I'm well aware of mortality because
Speaker 1: I think it's a pistor because we're building a house,
Speaker 1: so I have at least I'm seventy two. I want
Speaker 1: to live to at least be a hundred, so I
Speaker 1: got like twenty five more opening days to go. Because
Speaker 1: I'm managing my deer, and every year I pass up
Speaker 1: these button bucks, and because I have so much unlimited
Speaker 1: time to hunt, I can pass up three year old
Speaker 1: one thirties not easy for an old Detroit bow hunter.
Speaker 1: But since I have so many opportunities, I wait for
Speaker 1: older deer. Most of the time I might see a
Speaker 1: squirrely one that's young that I think is an inferior genetic.
Speaker 1: We're talking open ground, not just my my, my exotic
Speaker 1: wildlife ranch. Here. By the way, I gotta comment on that,
Speaker 1: because that's the that's the impetus of a lot of
Speaker 1: hate out there. H Fence hunting facts, A guy who
Speaker 1: lives this stuff and understands Manistee National Force, the Sudan Wild,
Speaker 1: Kansas Wild, California Wild, South Dakota Wild, Nebraska Wild, Texas,
Speaker 1: South Texas. Have you ever hunted white tailed deer in
Speaker 1: South Texas? Dumbest creatures that walk the earth. And if
Speaker 1: you really get frustrated and get skunk too often, find
Speaker 1: a place in South Texas and spillshop corn and you
Speaker 1: can probably kill him with a spoon. Maybe I'm exaggerating
Speaker 1: a little bit, but my point being is that the
Speaker 1: Illinois deer our hunt our way dumber than the deer
Speaker 1: I was raised on. The Michigan deer are maniac radar freaks.
Speaker 1: There'll there'll be half a mile away, and a cardinal
Speaker 1: will cause them to spook. I mean, not a bishop
Speaker 1: for a cardinal talk about a red bird. My point is,
Speaker 1: here's the facts of life. I kept journals for years.
Speaker 1: High fence deer hunting or exotic hunting. The fence plays
Speaker 1: zero role in killing an animal. Zero. My experiences bow
Speaker 1: hunting in the Manistee National Force Acre Martian, Michigan, no fences.
Speaker 1: It's the exact same thing as spirit wild ramps. Three acres,
Speaker 1: high fence, right place, right time, wind, sun patterning, some feed,
Speaker 1: some food plots and some corn and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: On occasion. If it didn't fulfill me, I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1: I hunted the Sudan no fences. I had a Zimbabwe,
Speaker 1: no fence, of South Africa, Olympopo, no fences. I hunted
Speaker 1: Rix and Gemsbach there and I hunt him here, zero difference.
Speaker 1: Either they show up or they don't. Either they turn
Speaker 1: broadside within thirty yards or they don't. It's not like
Speaker 1: the you corner them. I'm telling you high fence hunting.
Speaker 1: I suppose there might be some words a canned hunt
Speaker 1: where they raise In fact, I I hunted a breeder operation.
Speaker 1: Did you see the spirit of the wild last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks where Shamaine and I were invited to this
Speaker 1: breeder operation with these guys that were these these genetic
Speaker 1: freak free uttertage, funny dear like props of a horror movie.
Speaker 1: Now am I a purest? Yeah? That's my guitar, that's
Speaker 1: my amp, and these are my fingers, that's my grip
Speaker 1: hand on the bow, this is my drawing hand, and
Speaker 1: this is where I need to put that arrow. That's pure.
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's my old longbow or if
Speaker 1: it's my state of the art Matthews hand draw aim release,
Speaker 1: pure pure archery, my bow hunting, a spirit wild ranch
Speaker 1: for these gems back and oh a Dad and black
Speaker 1: buck and axis and fallow and psycha and white tails
Speaker 1: and turkeys and hogs, no difference. What's so ever? Then
Speaker 1: outside the fence, In fact that my journal proved that
Speaker 1: my house, my my no fence hunting was way more
Speaker 1: productive than my high fence hunting. There's a you gotta
Speaker 1: walk further to your stag because they're here TODAYMN truck.
Speaker 1: My point, I went to a breeder operation. This old
Speaker 1: guy loves what I do. Is thanks for standing up
Speaker 1: for our constitutional law and order. I raised giant white tails.
Speaker 1: Would like to come and hunt the place I went? Well,
Speaker 1: I do not, don't really want to hunt the place
Speaker 1: if they're pen raised animals, but I'd love to see it.
Speaker 1: Even though I'm a purist. I would rather shoot a
Speaker 1: wild ten inch three by three than a guy that
Speaker 1: raised the three because it doesn't seem like deer hunting
Speaker 1: to me. It looks like a deer. Well those two things.
Speaker 1: People would get confused. I'd hear half fence and think
Speaker 1: that's what they think, but that's not what is. But
Speaker 1: we did go there, so he's gotten. He's got. You
Speaker 1: gotta think six d acres. But a lot of them
Speaker 1: are breeding pets. But it's a fascinating agriculture. Pursuits the
Speaker 1: fastest growing agricroach in the world, and again they're learning
Speaker 1: that yeah is this. It's cute and different and exciting
Speaker 1: to see that much horn show up like the stags
Speaker 1: in New Zealand that they raised for just here mass
Speaker 1: But I had to tell you. We went there and
Speaker 1: I did a show. I wish you would have seen
Speaker 1: it because I articulated, you know, I have a buddy
Speaker 1: of mine he uh had he's been genetically modifying large
Speaker 1: mouth bass for a long time and the state buys
Speaker 1: him from him down Florida and Texas and a bunch
Speaker 1: of other places. And he asked, would you like to
Speaker 1: catch a ten pound bass? On? Yeah, I've never caught
Speaker 1: a ten pouty yet, let's go do it. So I
Speaker 1: had to get the right lure and I threw it
Speaker 1: in there and I caught him, and I just kind
Speaker 1: of fishing the barrel because it's they feed him and
Speaker 1: they're genetically modified. But it was huge and might pull
Speaker 1: bet over. It was exciting, and he invited me to
Speaker 1: catch the ten pound bass. So maybe it's a little
Speaker 1: more exciting to catch a you know, a hand sized
Speaker 1: blue gill out of my natural lake in Michigan. But
Speaker 1: I had fun catching that genetically modified basht It was
Speaker 1: huge and look at that bucket mouth and net belly
Speaker 1: hanging there. Well, I thought, alright, a guy does the
Speaker 1: same thing with the white tailed deer. Yeah, let's let's
Speaker 1: go do that. So Chamaine and I climbed in the
Speaker 1: tree and we put out the feet that they're used to.
Speaker 1: We waited and we waited. It's like we waited on
Speaker 1: the swamp and we waited nothing. Well, maybe tomorrow, so
Speaker 1: we went back the next day. We did this. We
Speaker 1: had to get the wind, didn't what the sun on
Speaker 1: our face, which Texas hunters need to learn. Don't look
Speaker 1: in the east in the morning, don't look in the
Speaker 1: west in the afternoon. Just a little tip from look
Speaker 1: of that. Anyhow, my point is we both shot atrocities,
Speaker 1: just three D plus ech things. But I've shot dear
Speaker 1: quicker and easier on the open ground. So be as
Speaker 1: it's easy in South Texas or in Illinois, and next
Speaker 1: to the game preserving the first preserve, you're not allowed
Speaker 1: to hunt. They take our tax dollars and shoot the deer.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Illinois, Welcome to America. But I hunt him
Speaker 1: in there and relaxed. I still got to still use
Speaker 1: the wind, still use the sun, and I still have
Speaker 1: the camera, and I still to make sure I got
Speaker 1: my stilo waker all of pure here's the word pure
Speaker 1: deer hunting at my buddy's place in Illinois. Dumb deer?
Speaker 1: Did I like it? I could use a dumb deer
Speaker 1: every once in a while. So that contentious debate is
Speaker 1: the the The anti high fence guys are presumptuous and
Speaker 1: everyone every time they go add it's fishing a barrel,
Speaker 1: and I go, really, share with me your last high
Speaker 1: fence experience. Well I've never done it. Well, then shut up.
Speaker 1: You don't like you don't like posta, but you've never
Speaker 1: had it, Then you don't know if you like it
Speaker 1: or not. You don't you don't qualify as an argument.
Speaker 1: So high fence originated in South Africa because the animals
Speaker 1: would migrate to agriculture and the agriculture concerns would slaughter
Speaker 1: them to safety agriculture. So some guys wanted kudu and
Speaker 1: game's bocket and yalla and wildebees and the zebras and stuff,
Speaker 1: so they put up high fence so they wouldn't migrate
Speaker 1: and get slaughtered. And then they obviously expanded in populations.
Speaker 1: Phenomenal miracle. They have babies every year, so you have
Speaker 1: to harvest the surplus. I e. Basic science science, wildlife management.
Speaker 1: But when you've got escape habitat, whether that habit that
Speaker 1: escape is limited by the highways in Columbus, Ohio, or
Speaker 1: the parking lot of the school in Columbus, Ohio, or
Speaker 1: this cul de Sac neighborhood. And you've got a little
Speaker 1: patch of woods in Columbus, Ohio, two hundred inch deer
Speaker 1: killers there's no fence. But all those can control factors
Speaker 1: are fences, not your point. And the the easiest deer
Speaker 1: on the planet ourselves. So should I not hunt there
Speaker 1: because they're easy? You know? I think, I think that
Speaker 1: what you're tapping into, I see, I see your point.
Speaker 1: I think what people don't like is the guy that's
Speaker 1: that kills a big deer in high fence, that puts
Speaker 1: the book or something right. Yeah, I mean that that's
Speaker 1: that's obviously what what gets them in trouble, or the
Speaker 1: or the or the guy that doesn't do any other
Speaker 1: type of hunting. And quite honestly, the guy that's in
Speaker 1: a high fence. And these deer are acclimated to human activity.
Speaker 1: Though I stopped myself already, I got buddies over in Uvaldi.
Speaker 1: Were these wild deer no fences, They come up and
Speaker 1: eat off the porch, right, So that's not fair. I'd
Speaker 1: like to feed the deer. What's not fair about feeding
Speaker 1: the deer? Why? I'm not going to shoot the deer
Speaker 1: from the porch. And if you did, I think you'd
Speaker 1: be a dirt bag. But if that big giant deer
Speaker 1: that you've waited for five years to shoot shows up
Speaker 1: at your stand, there's no fence, but it was really
Speaker 1: easy and and sometimes they don't show up. My point
Speaker 1: is is that ex deer hunting happens in no fence
Speaker 1: areas ex deer hunting exactly the same happens in my
Speaker 1: high fence hunting. I get skunked plenty. They don't show up,
Speaker 1: they don't turn broadside plenty. I touched the stand with
Speaker 1: my my limb and I spook them before ABC low fens,
Speaker 1: ABC high fence. Now, if if you've got a guy
Speaker 1: that I guarantee as soon as they use the G word,
Speaker 1: I don't go until I talked to some of my
Speaker 1: guys in South. If you gotta seat South Texas no fences,
Speaker 1: they're just crazy relaxed. You can burp and fart and
Speaker 1: sneeze and drop your ball in there you're looking at
Speaker 1: I'm eating this corn. Don't disturb me. So to each
Speaker 1: his own. And so that's why that's why they can
Speaker 1: wait for the point of what you're saying is is unity,
Speaker 1: just like any point picking on those guys if they're
Speaker 1: not breaking laws. If they're not, what what business do
Speaker 1: we have That same squawking takes place with guys. That's
Speaker 1: why they get not allowed to use a scope on
Speaker 1: your muzzleloader in Colorado. So you want to minimize my
Speaker 1: accuracy this law is well, it's it's uh what they
Speaker 1: called it, not antiques, but of it. Uh, this is
Speaker 1: the traditional style whatever traditional fire. This modern muzzleloaders your
Speaker 1: three yards like a three hundred weather be what does
Speaker 1: the scope? And they're gonna with or without a scope.
Speaker 1: So when it comes to those kinds of decisions, do
Speaker 1: you want most accuracy or less accuracy? Who would vote
Speaker 1: for less accuracy? And it goes to the crossbow debate. Well, again,
Speaker 1: the resource dictates, not the methodology until the methodology interferes
Speaker 1: with the productivity of the core resource. If if crossbows
Speaker 1: killed too many deer, then back them off. But until
Speaker 1: they do, shut up. But again with my crossbow friends,
Speaker 1: I love crossbows not as much as vertical bows, but
Speaker 1: a lot most of that, A lot most of them
Speaker 1: go to that because they're shooting too much draw weight.
Speaker 1: They're hurting their shoulders as they get older, and more
Speaker 1: than that, they're spooking the game as they struggle to
Speaker 1: pull that bowl back. I can tell you about how
Speaker 1: Pete Shepley came to Texas in the seventies and was
Speaker 1: shooting the overdraw. I don't know if you remember. The
Speaker 1: over draws is a terrible contraption and unless you were
Speaker 1: the world's greatest archer, you couldn't possibly draw on that
Speaker 1: arrow off that eighty five pounds like people shooting. So
Speaker 1: Pete was shooting eighty five pounds and that little black,
Speaker 1: new brand new carbon Aro technology off of twenty in
Speaker 1: jarrow offa overdraw those Texas well, Hell, there's some bit
Speaker 1: doing for hundred For a second, I'm getting one of
Speaker 1: the what do you got there, Pete? I'm getting just
Speaker 1: like you. Yea. They struggled and they hung it up
Speaker 1: on powerma remember the powermags that bow that hundred pounds
Speaker 1: powermag Crazy enough, Howard Hill used to shoot two of
Speaker 1: his long but both of them at a hundred pounds
Speaker 1: and go back together. But anyhow, so there's a lot
Speaker 1: of um minutia in our hunting world that the judgmentalists
Speaker 1: and they're just squawkers amongst us. That's where unity hits
Speaker 1: a roadblock. So crossbow have a great do you have
Speaker 1: a license the deer season, I love you, compound you
Speaker 1: long od sage, orange cedar, arrow, self bow at laddle,
Speaker 1: the swing shots that shoot arrows, the new rifles that
Speaker 1: shoot arrow I don't think you'd be able to use
Speaker 1: those during the archery season. Everything goes bags. Gunpowder you
Speaker 1: can use that, even the arrigas. I don't think an
Speaker 1: air gun arrow shooters should be used during the archery season.
Speaker 1: Understand you know. But but again, if the consensus is
Speaker 1: that it makes me want to go hunting and buy
Speaker 1: a license and invest in conservation, then I'd probably air
Speaker 1: on the side of choice. So the Unification battle cry
Speaker 1: guarding the gate is It's been my lifetime for at
Speaker 1: least sixty some years, and I will keep it up.
Speaker 1: Unity uh, supporting of individual choices and increasing opportunities hounds
Speaker 1: bait spring season in Michigan. We could have over the
Speaker 1: counter text for at least two years without even touching
Speaker 1: the resource um and the money that I generate would
Speaker 1: be insane good for everybody, and there's a bunch of
Speaker 1: states like that. So that's what I keep focusing on. Utility, family,
Speaker 1: hours of recreation, and revenues generated. I don't think there's
Speaker 1: anything else with the resource productivity dictating the above that
Speaker 1: makes sense. It's sounds science, not just a guitar player.
Speaker 1: I never went to college. I was too busy learning stuff,
Speaker 1: and that's what I've learned thanks to all right you
Speaker 1: back at joh