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Check it out. 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:01.880 But it wasn't for that, I would not be I 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:07.279 consider a long drive to my fire tree standing well, 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:12.880 I'm here with Ted Nugent, Mr. Ted Nugent, and you 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.160 feel right at home, don't you do. It's almost like 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:19.040 opening day of deer season twenty four, seven, three, sixty 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.120 five and in my case seventy two. I have my 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:25.240 seventies second opening day this year. How lucky and prioritized 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:30.520 to my clay nucom excellent, excellent, well you wouldn't remember this, 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.359 but I didn't meet you in two thousand, just a 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:36.760 guy in a line. You came to Northwest Arkansas, and 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:40.520 um you did, uh you did like a hunter expo. Sure, 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.359 I just walked by in line and just shook your hands. 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.760 I remember your your good looks, but I did. You 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:49.600 were Clay nucom my spirit of the mystical Flight of 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.880 the Era Brothers. So you know I and you mentioned that, 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.840 and you can tell that I'm high energy and I'm 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:58.640 a happy guy and I'm really alive. It's because of 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:02.200 those kinds of connection. Is that I've been just humbled 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:06.880 and privileged to have where people share that spirit, that 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:11.800 God family, country, hunting, nature, conservation, and they really expressed that. 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.880 I'm sure that even in a moment hello handshake. I'm 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:18.680 sure that at an event, especially a hunting expo, I'm 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:22.960 sure that attitude and that connection, that brotherhood, even though 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.480 it might be a quick handshaker and autograph or hey, 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:27.920 here's a picture of my dear. Um, I tell you 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.239 I take all those two heart. And I've been clean 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:34.480 and sober for seventy two years. So my radar still 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:38.840 works and my memory still works, and mostly the result 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:42.520 of a quality of life clean and sober, is that 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:47.720 your spirit miss is very little. And so I I 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:50.960 have those connections in all fifty states, every Comedian province, 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:55.920 where in all my European travels, African travels, that human 0:07:55.960 --> 0:08:01.600 connection what a blessing. Huh you know? Yeah? You uh, 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:05.600 So you're you're still traveling and turning. Yeah, well, you 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:11.080 know the Chinese this year, But yeah, I last year, Clay, 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:15.800 are you kidding me? The music made me do. It 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:18.200 was the name of my record, my tour with Jason 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.200 Heartless on drums. So you're still you're still writing music? Yeah, 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.480 I can't. I can't stop. Can't see these weapons of 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:27.680 mass construction. I I fondled my bow and arrow, my dogs, 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:33.560 my guitars, my trucks, and my beautiful wife. I I 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:36.920 embraced that essence of all those things that still at 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:40.000 my old age, it's still really turns me on. So yeah, 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:42.760 I played my guitar every day. I love it. I 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:47.439 went down to Texas Metal just wrench gods that create 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:51.040 these masterpiece trucks and stuff. And while I was there 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.880 for their TV show, I played the star Spangled banner 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:59.839 and some grinding animal breeding soundtrack MotorCity Licks and uh 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:03.960 so everybody. There's a great musical connection obviously, and I 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:07.440 still love that stuff, you know, does your So you're 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:12.559 very passionate about your music, but you're obviously very passionate 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:17.440 about your hunting. Where where where did those intersect? Or 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:22.040 which one would uh, which one has more influence inside 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:24.600 of your life? Well, they would be asking me which 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.520 which flag you want to cut off? You know, I 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:32.480 was born in Detroit And a lot of people don't 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:34.920 know this because they probably went to school in America. 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:38.840 Detroit was the arsenal of democracy. That would have you 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:42.080 heard that term? See you were you were anti educated 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.360 in America. A bunch of things you haven't heard about. 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:50.559 Detroit arsenal of democracy, that herculean work, ethic and patriotism 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:54.160 and drive of excellence and productivity. So you're an asset 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:57.280 to your family. Instead of making trucks and cars, Detroit 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:02.319 started making tanks and howitzers and Emma and bombs and jets. 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:07.160 So that spirit of victory over the evil Japanese Empire 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:11.319 and the Nazis? Can you imagine a more positive celebration 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:16.440 in a human experience the world was jeopardized? Life itself 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:20.680 in Detroit was a manufacturing powerhouse, so that work ethic 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:25.760 permeated everybody. I think, not just Detroit, but all across America, 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:32.480 but Detroit. It was so um universal, so ubiquitous, especially 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:34.680 with my mom and dad the discipline factor. But my 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:41.199 dad clay hands are in their hands. There's here's the 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:46.319 moment of infamy. My dad was already a follower of 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:49.640 Fred Bear and a bow hunter when I was born 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:55.240 in and Les Paul had just electrified the guitar a 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:58.480 few years earlier. And it was at that time that 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:01.559 Chuck Berry and Bow did the and Lonnie mc and 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:06.920 Dwaine Eddie started unleashing these noises, these intensities that had 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:09.800 never been accomplished on any other instrument. I fake a 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.280 keyboard thing. They wish they could bend to note like 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:17.439 we do. And so what an aura, What a firestorm 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:21.400 of inspiration, the mystical flight of the air which every kid, 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:23.959 of course, every child had a bone arrow, and the 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.520 red rider be begun. I actually have one right there, 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.439 my daisy. Red Rider b begun. So every kid and 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:33.959 every we all made sling shots, we all cut were 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:37.080 you you were in the city of Detroit, It wasn't 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:39.679 like rural. Your dad would go up north, and that's 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:42.760 a big thing in Michigan, go up north. So these 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:44.880 guys worked down in the cities in the southern part 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:46.800 of the state and then went up and hunted the north. 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:50.760 But unique to my birth in Detroit was Detroit proper. 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:55.320 You could see the skyline, but the Rouge River flowed 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.960 through the area, which is why Detroit and every major 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.760 city was founded. You needed waterway. Well that waterway still 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:05.200 winded through the entire area that even into the suburbs 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:08.760 and beyond. And it was a wildlife paradise. The pheasants, 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.840 the quail. There were no deer at all, but beavers 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:14.520 and coons and possums and muskrats and skunks and river 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:17.959 rats and in in squirrels and ducks and geese and 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:23.839 record just all this wild life that mesmerized me. And 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.920 with my homemade sling shot and some really good looking 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:32.920 marbles and pebbles, I learned the stocking, stealth excitement, and 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:35.880 especially with homemade bows and arrows. And I still have 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:39.760 my first nineteen fifty five you would long bow. I 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:44.240 still have it from were you naturally like a really 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:46.320 good shot? I mean like Mike I've got I've got 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:49.120 two boys, two girls, and a couple of them. You 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:52.360 can just tell are naturally more inclined to just pick 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:53.880 up a bow, you know, when they were four years 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:55.959 old and hit what they're aiming at. Were you pretty? 0:12:56.160 --> 0:13:00.400 Were you natural? Clay? I wish I was still that natural. 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.079 I'm not kiding you. You should do an interview with 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:06.320 my cousin Mark Was. We were on a NonStop safari 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:11.319 from the time I had the socks of a Grand 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:14.600 Slam by the time I was eight um, And I'm 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:16.960 not kidding you her stories of Howard Hills shooting doves 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:20.040 and rabbits. I actually know that Doug Walker, who hunted 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:22.679 with Howard on the Islands of California, he would have 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:26.280 an arrow in his hand. Everything was back quiver. Fred 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:30.360 hadn't invented the boat quiver yet. And Doug Walker would 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:32.040 tell me how they would go for walks and if 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:35.319 he saw a sitting rabbit, Howard Hill wouldn't let him 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:40.760 shoot it. He'd take his first arrow and and get 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:44.200 it running and half drawn. Yes, and he and Doug 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:48.840 said he didn't ever remember him missing. So I don't 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.400 want to claim to be Howard Hill, and I wasn't 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.880 and I'm know Fred Bear, but as a kid, I 0:13:55.120 --> 0:14:01.160 had such an zero baggage free spirit of han after 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:03.160 millions of arrows, if you got all the time, and 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:06.400 I shooted everything, I shooted a bug, I shooted an 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:10.800 ant mound. I would shoot uh. At Miller's feed Store 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.920 on Grand River in Detroit, after the hunting season, you 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:17.520 could buy port Orford cedar arrows with these beautiful natural 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:21.800 turkey feathers, you know, hard helical shield cut with a 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:26.160 big old hundred forty grain field tip ten cents up 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:30.440 piece clay. I would collect enough bottles and I'd cut 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:32.640 enough lawn where I could get three or four in 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.680 them babies, which back then it was a quiverful. And 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:40.080 I'm telling you, even when I break them, we'd we'd 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.720 lose the tip or we'd get that heat glue. But 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.040 I would just get my pocket knife and just whittle them, 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:46.760 and it didn't matter how long it was, because I 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.800 could just hit stuff at quarter draws. You'd learned this, 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.160 it is, it's an instinct. Shoot you shooting split fingers, 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:57.280 shooting split fingers, That's yeah, That's what my dad learned 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.280 from a lot of guys are shooting three under these days. 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:04.160 I did that a lot. And if you shoot compounds, 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:09.200 or I suppose under any circumstances that apache draw gives 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.560 you a rifle barrel, that's what they're doing. Great. Even 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:15.680 though there's a little bit of a gap. Um there, 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:18.800 you're almost rifle barrel. And I do teach people. I 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.200 taught a lot of people, introduced a lot of people, 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:24.080 and I give them a twenty five pound re curve 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.360 so it's mushy, so that this isn't an effort and 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:29.680 just point like at your finger. And of course they'll 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:31.840 always shoot high the first few times because they're not 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:35.840 doing a gap. They don't realize that the angles here here. Um. 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.520 But I've turned so many people on with a lightweight, 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:43.920 graceful non compound that they and I started him at 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:48.400 ten twelve feet at a big thing, so they learn 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:52.120 to every every step in life is an adjustment, so 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:54.720 your next step is a little more efficient this way. 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:58.880 I look at archery and the joy Sarah, Governor Palin, 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:02.440 all these young boys and girls, heroes of the military, 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:05.920 friends of my sons and daughters. Um, they're all for 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:11.680 every humans fascinated by projectiles and how that's how we survives. Yeah, 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:13.280 and once you put a bow in air on their hand, 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:18.040 they become hooked, but not not if they start with 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:21.160 a compound that they have to struggle it all with 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:23.640 and you don't give him a release in a loop 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:28.640 that you need to discover the primal archery. I think, 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:33.600 to discover your zen, your samurai, where am I going in? 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:36.520 And once they get that, then they can go ahead 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:38.960 and do whatever they want, and typically they do with 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:42.400 a compound. Because I admit, if I had to get 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:46.280 dinner with my recurves these days, we'd probably buy chicken often. 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.720 But with my compound, I should not only do I 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:51.960 shoot him in trouble, but I play it. I play 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:59.880 a Matt McPherson guitar. That right, Yeah, Look, mystical blood brothers, 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:03.800 the mystic did you so the mystical flight of the arrow? Ted, 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:07.800 You wouldn't know this, but so I was. I would 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:13.800 have been ten years old in about n and that's 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:15.920 probably about the time a lot of your hunting videos 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:19.320 and stuff were coming out, and we we grew up 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:22.760 watching Ted Niget hunting videos. We really did down to 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:29.480 earth video funny stuff. But the mystic fun yeah, it was. Well, 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:32.840 so I've heard you say this phrase for thirty five years. 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:36.000 The mystical flight of the arrow is that. Uh did 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:37.919 you come up with that? No? No, I didn't. Um 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:39.479 A lot of people attribute a lot of the things 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:41.600 I say is that's a clever statement, and they are clever, 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:43.880 but I didn't come up with it. For example, I've 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:46.440 always I've been cleaning sober my whole life, and I 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:49.800 keep emphasizing that because you'll never shoot as good of 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:53.359 an arrow if you're drunk or stone, or you get 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:58.359 chemicals of any kind case clothes, but because I have 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:01.520 influenced a lot of young people because of the intensity 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.679 of the music and the intensity of my fun factor, 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.240 which I'm sure you related to because I was having fun. 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.040 A lot of the guys play. Some of the most 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:15.520 dangerous bow hunters in the world are the dangerous bow 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:19.639 hunters because they're so low key that they don't have 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:24.040 this this spiritual erection when the beast drives, so a 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.360 lot of in Fred bears a perfect example, my hero. 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.840 He was so easy going, and I talked with Chuck 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:35.080 Adams and it's almost like it's almost like they're flatlining 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:38.040 and Claude Pollington. I'm named. I could name a hundred 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:41.080 killer bow hunters that are not crazy and uppity and 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:47.600 energized like I am. So I've always celebrated that this 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:50.520 is my sacred temple. Now, when I was growing up, 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:54.760 that was a ubiquitous colloquialism. Have you ever heard that, ye, 0:18:55.760 --> 0:19:00.960 my sacred temple? You know? Yes, So I've used phrases 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.920 like that, um in the Mystical Flight of the Arrow. 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:07.240 I think I might have got it from um a 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:15.359 fred bear tomb or one of his times around the campfire. Probably, Uh, 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:21.760 I'm thinking of there's a book Will Thompson. Is that 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:25.960 the name? Um? One of the original guys. You've heard 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:29.879 it somewhere. Yeah, I read everything you had with a 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:33.520 bow and arrow, that hunting deer and archery. So I 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.720 read all that stuff, and I picked up on Mystical 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:38.200 Flight of the arra. But I think it is a 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:43.639 historical colloquialism relative to our archery pursuits. Yeah, Ted, do 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.000 you remember your first big game animal? But I know 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:48.919 you do. What was it? Tell me that? Absolutely? As 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:52.080 a coal October night in nineteen seventy And I've been 0:19:52.200 --> 0:20:01.440 hunting non stops since. I mean literally, Yeah, I would 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:08.440 have been that December, and I've been. I I think 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:12.520 I qualify as officially bow hunting since I was five 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.399 or six because I had my bow. I followed my 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:18.920 dad through the Manistee National Forest up north, and I 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:21.399 had a broadhead and I was shooting chipmunks and I 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:24.760 was looking for a deer. So I you know, I 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:28.119 would bow hunt um and I and not only didn't 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:32.200 I ever killed a deer. My dad never killed a deer. 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:37.119 We never killed a deer. We went every year, we 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:41.080 never killed nothing. I mean, I got the world slam us. 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:43.760 He could have been hunting with a firearm, yeah, and 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:46.520 I did. He chose to shoot, and we did for 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:50.040 gun hunt two November fift was just too powerful to ignore, okay. 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:52.280 So it was just in the bow season he was 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:57.680 and and so it was. It was October of seventy 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:00.680 and I hunted every day I could. I was on 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:04.760 tour NonStop. I did three hundred concerts a year, sometimes 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:07.160 three d fifty, so I'd have a week or two 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:10.480 to bow hunt. And I still didn't understand the rut. Yet. 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:15.480 We didn't know nothing. There was just no real knowledge 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:20.640 out there, especially pertaining to archery constrictions. So I never 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:25.600 killed nothing, but I kept going clay, I kept strategizing. 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:27.560 I was trying to figure them out. And this was 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:31.480 a time when white tails were just beginning to really 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:35.560 appear in southern Michigan where my original farm was. So 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:38.000 I had watched this dough and fauns, and I've seen 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:41.159 these bucks and there's I used to climb trees and 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:43.960 just hang on the limbs. I was a monkey, as 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:47.440 an absolute ape. I could climb any I was. I 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:50.200 was like Bruce Lee. I was so wiry. I was 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:52.840 climb these limbs. And I get up in a crotch 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:56.960 and stand there all day finding this dough. And two 0:21:57.040 --> 0:22:01.399 fawns came out, and of course my heart's gone and 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:05.720 I'm going and your your goofball. You can shoot squirrels. 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:09.760 Pretend there's a squirrel there. That's a squirrel behind your 0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:12.960 shoulder that I hit high, but I spined heer in 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:18.239 my second recurve. Yeah, recurve of sasheft of barrakodiak um 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:25.159 probably and you know, forty six pounds was shooting thirty 0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:29.240 at the time. Micro Flight micro flight glass arrows. Micro 0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:33.680 Flight tends with a rasor head with with the insert 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:38.240 and I knocked her down in him. I was out 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:42.240 of body, and my second earrow was perfect because now 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:45.960 I don't know the planets can align. And I called 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:49.440 upon that natural hand I guy that was shooting squirrels, 0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:54.800 and I held that doze head in my hands and 0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:59.600 I sat there out of body. And from then on 0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:06.600 I've caught up because it's about spirit, emotion management, heart 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:12.639 rate management, and and directing your priorities to shoot a 0:23:12.720 --> 0:23:16.280 good arrow, not the deer. Yeah, I mean some of 0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:20.520 those psychological problems that's many of us encounter that manifest 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:24.720 horrifically and target manic. The guys that are a little 0:23:24.760 --> 0:23:30.320 bit more relaxed, I really envy them because they might 0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:32.520 not know that that. However, here's a great story you're 0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:39.240 gonna love. So seventy s. I mean, I'd kill a 0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:42.199 lot of deer by that. I started killing deer pretty regularly. 0:23:43.280 --> 0:23:45.359 I'm in a tree up north in our Land and 0:23:45.880 --> 0:23:48.920 near Irons, Michigan, and I got an eight arrow beer 0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:52.680 bowl quiver and I was shooting aluminums. The still with 0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:57.399 the hard helical shield cut real feathers right out of 0:23:57.400 --> 0:23:59.720 the bear catalog. In fact, Fred gave them to me. 0:23:59.840 --> 0:24:03.000 I was already connected to Fred by this and that 0:24:03.640 --> 0:24:12.200 buck a buck came and of course I'm helpless, just 0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:18.560 our wreck. I don't mean to you know, beef, you know, 0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:22.200 too disrespectful, but that moment kind of prepared me for 0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:25.080 nine eleven um. And I know that was a horrific 0:24:26.119 --> 0:24:29.680 death and destruction moment that shattered all of us emotionally, 0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:33.800 but I I, I don't mean to offend anyone, but 0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:39.879 that moment was significant moment, significant moment. All story short, 0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:43.120 I'm not going to repeat what happened. But eight arrows 0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:49.959 later he was still walking away. I flinched so violently 0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:53.040 and I had it, got the corner of the mouth 0:24:54.359 --> 0:25:01.480 touched the same tooth we're getting, and motions of shots 0:25:01.520 --> 0:25:04.359 into the air. I ran back to my cabin and 0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:08.159 I called Fred as a wreck. I said, let me 0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:11.080 tell you what it just happened to me. And he 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:15.639 laughed and it's not funny. And he goes, the same 0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:19.159 thing happened to him in the nineteen fifties as a 0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:23.600 as an n f A A field champion, and he 0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:26.359 said he had the same thing happened to him and 0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:28.480 he had to go through craid routine and he gave 0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:32.000 me that routine ultra lightweight bow right next to the 0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:34.600 damn and arrow length away from a paper plate with 0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:39.000 a black spot in the middle of it. You, yes, 0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:41.440 you come back to full draw, and you close your eyes, 0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:45.040 and you let these guys work without this guy, because 0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:51.440 this guy's reckon this guy. The eyeballs somehow inflame and 0:25:51.640 --> 0:25:56.400 enraged the psyche. And and I haven't beat it, as 0:25:56.440 --> 0:26:01.000 you know, nobody does, but I have it across. I 0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:03.560 have managed it since that day. And I did go 0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:06.320 to a compound shortly after. I thought that might help. 0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:11.320 It didn't. Um But over the years I've gone through 0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:15.119 that heartbreak and horror, and I've helped a lot of 0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:18.359 people who have experienced that don't know what it is. 0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:23.560 They have no idea why the hand is thrown violently 0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:26.920 off target, or they can't even get it anywhere near 0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:32.000 the target. It's it's it's a it's a of the 0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:36.320 human spirit. But I have managed it. And I write 0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:38.880 a lot of articles, and I've addressed this and deer 0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:41.680 and deer hunting in a bunch of publications I write for. 0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:50.040 And I'm convinced that too much draw weight will result 0:26:50.160 --> 0:26:55.000 in target panic more often than not. And that's the 0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:58.040 number one cause of attrition in our sport. It's why 0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:00.960 the numbers of bow hunters if you take out crossbows, 0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:04.560 which is fine, but it's not the mystical flight of 0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:08.240 the arrow. As far as I press um, it's the 0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:12.600 number one cause of attrition. Too much draw weight, the 0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:15.680 discomfort and the damage done because of too much draw weight, 0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:19.480 the alerting of the animal humping that too much draw weight, 0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:25.600 and the the fanning of the target panic flames that 0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:27.359 guys just hang them up on nails and they go 0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:30.000 to the crossbow, and they keep telling me, I'd rather 0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:32.480 bow hunt, but I can't draw the bow. Didn't get one. 0:27:32.560 --> 0:27:36.800 You can draws. Jermaine kills everything with thirty five pounds. 0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:40.879 Everything moved, not moose yet, but elk and kudu and 0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:47.840 zebra and pace and her her arrow, uh four hundred 0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:50.280 grain gold tip with a two blade, you know, like 0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:52.560 a bare razor head a hundred grainer. I think it's 0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:55.800 a steel force we use with Jermaine thirty five pounds, 0:27:56.119 --> 0:28:01.359 six hundred plus pound orics in and out like butter. Yeah. 0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:04.480 I don't don't know. Much more penetration you want? And 0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:08.280 so the industry I think is really missing the lick 0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:14.040 for recruitment and retention by relaxing, especially with the technology 0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:17.480 of modern bows. Of her thirty five pound bows certainly 0:28:17.520 --> 0:28:21.960 outperforms any sixty pounder of your I'm convinced to that. 0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:25.760 So that's my spiel to get people to join joys 0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:32.160 of bow hunting dead What like, what is your favorite 0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:35.760 hunt anywhere in the world, anywhere in the country where? 0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:38.440 What is your favorite what's your favorite thing to hunt? 0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:44.200 It's so easy. The next one, Okay, I don't care 0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:47.400 what it is, so you don't have the white tail 0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:51.680 is is mystical, there's no question. Is so target rich 0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:53.880 and I get the hunt every day. Don't hate me, 0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:58.160 but everyday September, octover, November, December, generated February and pretty 0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:01.440 much the rest of the year too. Um but I 0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:05.000 I love stock and woodchucks in Michigan. I like walking 0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:07.640 the fence roles just before dark and shooting cotton tails. 0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:10.080 And it's thrilling to me because a small target, and 0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:13.560 it really teaches you to pick a spot. And obviously 0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:16.360 the white tail deer because I get so many tags 0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:19.880 and I feed so many soup kitchens and homeless shelters, 0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:22.600 and the joy of shopping for those two kitches and 0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:27.400 homeless shelters really fires my spirit. And I've hunted elephant 0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:31.120 and rhino and cape buffalo and lions and elk and 0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:35.080 moose and caribou, and I've hunted. I haven't hunted the 0:29:35.160 --> 0:29:37.320 sheep or the mountain goats and stuff yet. I'd love to, 0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:42.840 but not with these knees um clay. My favorite hunt 0:29:43.800 --> 0:29:47.320 is the next good arrow. Now I could tell you 0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:52.160 stories about little boys and girls who their last request 0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:54.600 in life is to go hunting with Ted Nugent. How 0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:57.520 the hell I ever earned that, I don't know, But 0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:03.360 for thirty plus years, families get ahold of us and 0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:05.960 their little boy or little girls are gonna be dead soon, 0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:08.960 and their last requesters to go to hunt with Ted Nugent. 0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:12.120 They see Spirit of the Wild TV and or they 0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:14.320 might see me doing an interview and talking about the 0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:18.360 arrow and I'm funny and I'm I'm alive, and these 0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:21.720 kids get it and I can't even I'm pretty good 0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:25.560 with the English language, but I'm helpless to convey what 0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:29.240 that campfire is like. And oftentimes we don't really kill anything, 0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:33.760 though oftentimes we do, but that I get the kids 0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:37.840 laughing and we take their mind off the chemo or 0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:44.880 there the imminent and uh, those aren't even those aren't 0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:49.320 even really hunts per se. But it's an experience that 0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:55.880 came about via the hunting ethic, the hunting lifestyle. That 0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:02.720 I stumble to Russ, what happened? You can you can sure? 0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:05.920 And so those are favorite moments that are part of 0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:12.000 my hunting life, that are a gift from God. And uh, 0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:14.560 I don't know how I ever qualified for that, but 0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:16.680 that they decided idea is all I need to know. 0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:21.040 That's great. Let me ask you a question about, uh, 0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:25.760 just kind of the North American hunting in general. So 0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:29.520 we're you know, the it seems the real issue is 0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:32.720 hunter recruitment. I think the stats say there's eleven point 0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:36.520 five million hunters in the US today. Peak hunting numbers 0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:41.360 were in the nineteen eighties around sixteen seventeen million, somewhere 0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:45.520 in that range. Our population is increasing, so we continue 0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:49.440 to become this smaller minority. What what would you say 0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:55.440 are the key features of of our hunting culture persisting 0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:59.479 tad because and it's and and we know that it's 0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:02.600 so much more more than just our kids been able 0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:03.960 to hunt or something. But I mean, you know, the 0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:07.840 North American mole and wildlife conservation is the most successful 0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:13.000 animal husbandry human endeavor of all times. So like there's 0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:17.400 like our hunting is propping up, Saving wild places is 0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:20.240 propping up. It's propping up quality air, soil, and water 0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:22.280 is what it's propping up. So how do we so, 0:32:22.440 --> 0:32:25.480 you know, because everybody knows. I mean, there's a lot 0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:27.640 of narratives and a lot of them are good. And 0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:31.240 I realized there's not one thing. But what what do 0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:33.840 you see? What do you think when it is a 0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:39.000 spicy cocktail of ingredients. So I'll start with number one 0:32:39.480 --> 0:32:43.280 and again, I have a big mouth. I think the 0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:45.920 Founding Fathers wanted all Americans to have a big mouth. 0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:50.480 This is an experiment self government, the experiments over we 0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:53.320 the people are supposed to be in charge, and some 0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:56.720 people hate me because I am in charge because I'm 0:32:56.800 --> 0:32:59.040 doing what the Founding Fathers wanted us to do. And 0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:03.240 it's relating to the recruitment and retention and attrition in 0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:09.320 the conservation world, license sales of family hours of recreation, 0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:15.760 the gargantuan economy relative to it. It's it's it's it's 0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:25.160 immeasurable way beyond any measurement. I've seen number one, the 0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:32.080 criminal abuse of power and corruption in all bureaucracies that 0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:37.840 it has weaseled its way into all game departments. I'm 0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:40.480 sure as a publisher and an editor and a visible 0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:43.920 promoter of this great sport, the greatest sport, I'm sure 0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:49.800 you get communication from these are our fellow hunters, not 0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:53.200 like I do. I don't care if it's a sushi 0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:56.200 bar or the whole foods or rock and roll concert 0:33:56.320 --> 0:34:01.000 or the gas station or a kid's school, every day 0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:03.680 of my life for as far as back as I 0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:07.160 can remember, at least fifty years, because in every interview 0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:09.280 I've ever done as a rock and roller, I've always 0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:11.239 mentioned the mystical flight of the arrow and how I 0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:15.040 get high in nature, and backstraps and the challenge and 0:34:15.160 --> 0:34:18.800 the excitement and the electricity of sneaking up on a 0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:21.120 career with a sharp stick. I keep it entertaining, But 0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:22.879 I don't mean to keep it entertaining. I just can't 0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:28.239 help myself. That's so contagious that people that would have 0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:31.319 never read Bear Hunting magazine don't even know there's an 0:34:31.360 --> 0:34:34.719 outdoor life magazine, never even heard of fishing game, don't 0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:37.720 even know what a backstrap is. They do now because 0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:41.240 of me in a Rock and Roll interview, I always 0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:47.840 turned it towards Hutton and the game laws are so 0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:57.520 absurd and anti science, anti wildlife management that I am 0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:05.520 bombarded constant lee with angry, frustrated people quitting because they 0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:08.800 got a ticket for not having their boat case zipped 0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:14.960 or for moving an apple closer to their tree stand. Clay, 0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:18.120 No one's ever gonna come up and share that with you. 0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:22.600 They shouldn't, no offense, But I am bombarded with this. 0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:28.160 Deer are eating corn in every corn field on planet Earth. 0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:33.719 Why can't they eat it closer to my tree stand? Yeah, 0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:43.640 c w D so number one cause of attrition. People 0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:48.680 quitting because they're being harassed by anti hunting game departments 0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:52.080 forcing anti hunting laws on us. Right now, while you 0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:54.960 and are sitting here, You and I can't hunt springtime 0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:58.279 bears in Colorado. We can't use bait, and we can't 0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:01.919 use pounds. Guess who can in My buddy Scott Young, 0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:04.920 who's paid with our tax dollars through the U. S 0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:10.840 d A, is slaughtering them as damage control because the 0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:13.880 bureaucrats won't allow us to utilize them as an asset 0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:18.000 in quality control. A lot of people watching or listening 0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:19.920 right now, they don't even know what I'm talking about. 0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:26.040 The government uses proven methodologies to bring balanced wildlife that 0:36:26.360 --> 0:36:32.240 were forbidden to put are are you kidding me? People 0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:35.080 are quitting because they didn't have their boat case zipped up. 0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:38.680 Even though I forced a law that eliminated the boat 0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:41.880 case law, but they were still enforcing it in Michigan 0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:52.000 and we went thing you think people. Nope, not even close, 0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:54.680 not even access to hunting grounds. And I know they 0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:59.360 all play a part. Nothing is even close to the 0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:09.400 harassment of of hunters by by cowboy game fish cops. 0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:13.200 And I respect the ones who are respectable. In fact, 0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:16.480 you should read the book I got. I got buddies 0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:20.600 that are game wardens that are just there as piste 0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:22.960 off as I am. They just throw their hands up 0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:26.040 and go. So the guy had the deer and he 0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:27.840 was gutting in hand, and put the tag on it, 0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:30.879 and you're gonna confiscate his deer and and give him 0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:36.880 a ticket. It's the dear season. That's a deer, that's 0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:40.520 his dear license. It's the bow season. That's a bow. 0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:43.759 He's hunting in a legal area. And you have you 0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:47.000 ever heard one of those stories? Yeah, yeah, just people 0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:52.920 getting I hear him all the time. Yea, look what 0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:55.960 they did to me in Alaska. I've been hunting Alaska 0:37:56.000 --> 0:37:59.680 since nine. I bought my bear tag. I bought it 0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:01.880 in the area I'm hunting. I'm using the right weapon. 0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:05.720 I'm using the during the right hours. I every game 0:38:05.800 --> 0:38:08.200 law in the history of game law says upon taking 0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:12.600 possession of the animal, you apply the tag every everyone 0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:17.480 all my life. So I'm gonna when I take possession, 0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:19.400 I'll put the tag on him. So I shot a 0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:21.360 bear on TV, and you know when you want to 0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:23.600 break a law in your shirt with fifty million viewers, 0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:27.759 that's that's proves intent right there, doesn't it. So I'll 0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:31.840 continue with my horror story. So sure enough, Jack Bouten 0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:35.640 thug u s Attorney Jack Schmidt, because you went after 0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:38.560 Ted Nuta when the Alaska Ficient game. We're not interested. 0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:42.760 If there was anything that qualifies at the perfect honest mistake, 0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:48.920 it was me. You put it on television and I 0:38:49.160 --> 0:38:51.800 went and searched for three days, and then we finally 0:38:51.880 --> 0:38:54.760 did a stop motion of the arrow and it didn't 0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:57.000 penetrate it. Literally I caught it. It was a two 0:38:57.040 --> 0:39:01.760 blade broadhead, and I caught a rib on the straight side. 0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:04.400 It literally kicked up straight out of the air and 0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:07.640 bounced clean off the rib. So we looked at it 0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:10.759 and we went bears fine, I can go bear hunt 0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:12.919 because I hadn't taken possession. So I had a tag 0:39:13.680 --> 0:39:18.359 if and they went after me with a vengeance. They 0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:23.759 spent millions of dollars analyzing all my TV shows to 0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:27.279 prove that because there was a law that was initiated 0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:34.759 that year on Prince of Wales is a draw blood? Yes, never, 0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:39.880 how about this? The judge during the court hearing asked 0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:43.560 Jack Schmidt, the the judge, and I know how the 0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:48.919 courts work. This is precedent that when a judge says 0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:50.839 what the judge said, I've been living in ketch can 0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:53.080 all my life. I bear hunted all my life. When 0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:56.120 was this law and enacted? Because I don't know anybody 0:39:56.200 --> 0:40:02.040 that's ever heard of it? Grounds for smissal but no, 0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:07.520 Barack Obama and Eric Holder went can't dismiss hurt nugent, 0:40:08.560 --> 0:40:16.359 shut nugent up. So I had a Vendetta. Think yeah, 0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:21.520 because I dare, I dare to demand constitutional adherents from 0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:24.840 my president and Attorney general. And they couldn't debate me, 0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:27.400 and they knew that I was right and they were 0:40:27.440 --> 0:40:30.040 getting away with murder. So anyhow, that's number one. So 0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:33.040 number one is the abusive power and scaring people away 0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:35.719 because they're getting all these horrible fines. Check out what 0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:41.439 they did to Chris Brackett. So he shoots a buck 0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:45.200 and he wasn't sure the shot with a muzzler. You know, 0:40:45.320 --> 0:40:48.440 Chris Brackett. Now you know the story. I think I do, 0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:53.160 and you to know the whole story. So guess what 0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:57.319 the Game Department in Indiana wants more dear killed. Guess 0:40:57.360 --> 0:41:00.960 what the agriculture department wants more dear killed. Guess what 0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:04.840 the Highway department wants more deer killed. Guess what the 0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:07.800 Center for Disease Control or whatever it is in Indiana 0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:10.400 they want more deer killed. We shoot one buck, So 0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:12.759 we shot a buck. Then a giant showed up. Now 0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:19.120 this was a mistake. Must apply the tag upon taking possession. 0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:21.279 He didn't take possession, but he shot the bigger buck 0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:23.000 and dad a TV show up. But he had only 0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:25.040 had one tag, and they had one tag. They never 0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:28.320 they never touched the first gear. They never even found 0:41:28.360 --> 0:41:32.000 the first year. They did a cursory search, but because 0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:34.200 they had the giant and he was gonna have his 0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:38.200 cameraman tag it. Okay, so we're violating were that's pretty 0:41:38.320 --> 0:41:41.759 that's a major violation though, or is it? Is it amazing? 0:41:41.840 --> 0:41:45.800 Is it a major violation? Let me let me finish 0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:49.200 in a state that wants more dear killed. Okay, you 0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:51.400 know what, it is a major violation, and somebody that 0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:54.799 has common sense, I'll tell you what the major violation is. Chris, 0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:58.200 your jerk. You shouldn't have shot the other buck till 0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:03.920 you did everything in your power to find that first one. Fine, 0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:06.680 don't do it again. Donate the meat to the charity. 0:42:11.520 --> 0:42:13.960 I'm sitting here right now defending him. I'm I'm telling 0:42:14.040 --> 0:42:18.560 you that his crime was indefensible, but it wasn't murder. 0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:23.720 He didn't. He didn't they were They ruined his life, 0:42:24.320 --> 0:42:27.680 They bankrupted him, they went after him and try to 0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:33.160 get him on that that insane Lacy Act felony for 0:42:33.320 --> 0:42:37.160 shooting an extra dear in a state that while the 0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:41.240 court case was going on for Chris Brackett, sharpshooters killed 0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:48.839 thousands of them, and cars killed thousands more. So give 0:42:48.960 --> 0:42:52.480 me a logical response to that. Why killing an extra 0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:56.600 dear is a major offense. I'll tell you what a 0:42:56.640 --> 0:43:01.600 major offensive. Armed robbery that's a major offense. Rape is 0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:06.200 a major offense. Arson is a major offense. Shooting an 0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:11.279 extra dear is petty. They want more dear. And if 0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:13.399 I was the judge when Chris Brackett, you're a dirt 0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:16.880 bag five dollars and I need to uh need that 0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:18.960 venison I need and if you didn't get it, I 0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:21.760 need some of your venison. But more importantly, Chris Brackett, 0:43:22.000 --> 0:43:24.239 I would like to bring in the director of the 0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:27.320 game department and ask him why can I only shoot 0:43:27.400 --> 0:43:30.880 one deer while you're slaughtering him with my tax dollars 0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:35.399 by the thousands, And then I would indict that guy 0:43:35.880 --> 0:43:39.759 for being corrupt. You. I don't think we can overlook though, 0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:44.399 that they were trying to. His motivation was his motivation, though, 0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:47.799 which was different than yours, with the ruining your life 0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:51.920 when being a prick is I'm just saying his motivation 0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:57.520 was the perceived motivation, no doubt, and that he was 0:43:57.600 --> 0:44:00.800 making a television show just and that was major, you know, 0:44:00.960 --> 0:44:03.880 because the TV show has nothing to do with it. 0:44:04.400 --> 0:44:06.640 Maybe shouldn't in the court of law, of course it 0:44:06.680 --> 0:44:10.400 shouldn't it, just like it did with your thing though. Right, well, 0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:12.320 I don't think my TV show had anything to do 0:44:12.400 --> 0:44:17.320 it because my celebrity, in my voice is it eclipses 0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:20.400 the TV impact. If I didn't have a spirit of 0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:22.320 the wild TV show, I'd still be doing media like 0:44:22.560 --> 0:44:28.319 the million people condemning the Democrats that side with Antifa. 0:44:28.880 --> 0:44:31.600 So I don't need a TV show promoting oneting to 0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:33.919 give me a voice, because I demand a voice because 0:44:33.920 --> 0:44:37.320 I'm a free American. So you're right, but be careful, 0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:43.560 Clay Nukem major offense? When did kill dear become a 0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:47.160 major offense? I? I see, I see your point, I 0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:49.960 really do, thank you. I see your point. But also 0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:53.520 see inside the context of hunting, inside the see you 0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:57.000 took it outside the context of honey, which bigger that's 0:44:57.040 --> 0:44:59.200 fair to do? I mean a major fency. Yes, I'll 0:44:59.239 --> 0:45:03.320 see what you're saying, but inside the inside the context 0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:05.879 of hunting. Yeah, we've turned him down to sit touch here, 0:45:07.120 --> 0:45:13.640 inside the context of hunting, that. I see that as 0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:20.120 pretty significant, though, I mean because your your whole position, 0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:22.360 and part of the reason I'm here is because I 0:45:22.560 --> 0:45:25.680 respect you at the level that you have a value 0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:28.040 system that you live by. I mean, you have a 0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:32.000 value right, here's the he I mean, let's talk about 0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:38.360 the value system specifically for a moment. Ethics are about 0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:43.160 doing the right thing. Do you know that oftentime an 0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:48.160 illegal act is the right thing? How About when I 0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:51.800 see a deer bleeding to death stuck in a fence, 0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:57.120 ted nugent is supposed to call a bureaucrat to put 0:45:57.239 --> 0:45:59.640 this deer out of its misery, what in a couple 0:45:59.719 --> 0:46:03.440 hours maybe tomorrow. It would be against the law for 0:46:03.600 --> 0:46:06.360 me to dispatch that deer, which I've done many times, 0:46:06.719 --> 0:46:11.520 because the law is immoral. And I think when you 0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:16.040 take that kind of condemnation and ruin a person's life 0:46:16.640 --> 0:46:20.279 over killing an extra dear and not tagging the right dear, 0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:25.600 all right, it's a crime and it's unethical. Five fine. 0:46:26.040 --> 0:46:29.760 That would have hurt him plenty, but not ruin his life. 0:46:30.080 --> 0:46:33.320 The running of his life came from the social consequences 0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:38.120 of that from network, those were not social consequences, though 0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:43.040 we're those were jack booted bureaucrat. No, you can't find 0:46:43.120 --> 0:46:46.279 me a human Stop hunting, stop doing your magazine. You 0:46:46.400 --> 0:46:49.000 go out of crusade and find me a human being 0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:52.200 that knows about Chris practice shooting an extra dear so 0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:56.440 we can get that social comment. Nobody knows. I'm and 0:46:56.560 --> 0:46:59.960 I'm again talking inside the hunting world, to be careful 0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:03.439 your reputation, To be careful inside the hunting world. You'll 0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:09.200 find people who hate me because I bait Fred Bear baited. 0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:12.279 They hate me because I shoot a lot of deer. 0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:15.719 I have to shoot a lot of deer. So in 0:47:15.840 --> 0:47:20.520 our own hunting community you got some inbred cannibals that 0:47:20.640 --> 0:47:26.120 are so elitist and judgmental, and they play no role 0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:29.920 in any thought pattern or conduct of mind whatsoever. The 0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:34.640 worst human beings in the world are people that turn 0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:37.400 on their own And because I get to kill a 0:47:37.440 --> 0:47:41.759 lot of deer legally and ethically and provide venison by 0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:45.360 the tons to my fellow man, there are people in 0:47:45.440 --> 0:47:50.239 our industry that absolutely curse me and they can kiss 0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:53.719 my And in fact, I don't even need to kill 0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:56.120 more deer this year, but I'm gonna just to piss 0:47:56.160 --> 0:47:59.440 them off because they're so small minded. So I went 0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:03.920 hunting too much. Nobody ever said, who says you hunt 0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:07.279 too much? Well, I get these from different publishers and 0:48:07.400 --> 0:48:09.680 people in the You know, they're really angry. I think 0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:12.000 they think you're a game hog. Really, I shot four 0:48:12.239 --> 0:48:15.080 d pigs from a helicopter one day with my machine gun, 0:48:15.239 --> 0:48:19.000 and guess who thanked me. The game department, the le landowners, 0:48:19.080 --> 0:48:23.840 the environmentalists, and the agriculture business shut up. We have 0:48:24.280 --> 0:48:29.200 such ignorant, small minded duface is in our hunting community. 0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:32.200 There's just a lunatic cringe. The vast majority here's one 0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:37.120 wet with me. Go with me to the shot show 0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:39.759 and just follow me around. Stay back about fifty ft 0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:44.880 and follow me around. I have a love affair, a 0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:53.160 blood brotherhood spirit connection on intellectual and decency and conservation 0:48:53.360 --> 0:48:59.719 wise use levels with the maturity of sporting families in 0:48:59.760 --> 0:49:04.040 this country that my haters hate me even more for. 0:49:05.000 --> 0:49:08.919 It's it's unbelievable. So you know, I I don't think 0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:12.320 my poop doesn't smell. In fact, I'm quite proud of 0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:17.560 the aroma. But I know that my intellect and my 0:49:17.760 --> 0:49:22.120 moral guide posts have forced me a lot with my 0:49:22.680 --> 0:49:29.040 drill sergeant Dad to just conscientiously choose the right thing 0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:33.399 to do. Yeah, and I have. And people will make 0:49:33.520 --> 0:49:37.240 up that I'm a draft dodger, not never dodged anything, 0:49:37.840 --> 0:49:40.480 that I'm a child molester. You look at the internet, 0:49:40.880 --> 0:49:45.480 Huffington Post, Salon dot Org, Wikipedia. How about in New 0:49:45.600 --> 0:49:48.040 York I was banned from saying thank you to the 0:49:48.200 --> 0:49:52.200 NYPD last weekend because, according to the New York Times 0:49:52.239 --> 0:49:55.960 and Governor Cuomo, I'm an anti Semite, I'm a racist, 0:49:56.000 --> 0:49:59.279 and I'm a homophobe. Obviously you don't know my Jewish, Black, 0:49:59.440 --> 0:50:05.320 or gay ends. I've been surrounded by every imaginable stripe 0:50:05.360 --> 0:50:10.319 of mankind for fifty plus years, sixty years, and yet 0:50:10.360 --> 0:50:14.759 there will level these horrific false accusations against me from 0:50:14.800 --> 0:50:19.040 the left because I'm so effective at spotlighting their indecency 0:50:19.080 --> 0:50:22.319 and criminal behavior, and from our own hunting community. I'm 0:50:22.440 --> 0:50:27.040 guessing they're either stoned or drunk or just mentally ill. 0:50:28.080 --> 0:50:33.279 Because if all these families have decided to fulfill their 0:50:33.400 --> 0:50:39.239 dying sons and daughter's request with Ted Nugent, I'm I 0:50:39.520 --> 0:50:42.920 have to be okay. They've they've they know everything that 0:50:43.040 --> 0:50:47.640 my haters know, what what more stamp of approval, could 0:50:47.680 --> 0:50:51.800 have man beg for then for a family in that 0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:57.120 emotional trauma and heartbreak, to include the old guitar player. 0:50:58.760 --> 0:51:02.040 What I must have done something right? Why why do you? 0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:07.320 Uh you? And this is just an honest question I 0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:10.520 would ask if if these we weren't in this format, 0:51:11.040 --> 0:51:13.120 why why do you want to focus on those that 0:51:13.200 --> 0:51:15.719 are against you? So I don't never do I'm responding 0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:19.440 to something I don't. If you follow my average day, 0:51:19.480 --> 0:51:23.160 I've been maybe during and and I'm very active. I 0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:25.080 do media all the time, and I have my own 0:51:25.320 --> 0:51:29.360 Tenutian spirit campfire right for all these publications positive positive, positive, 0:51:29.400 --> 0:51:34.560 positive positive celebration, good good, good fun, fun, fun, conservation, conservation. 0:51:35.000 --> 0:51:38.400 I hate you because you hunt over bait eat me. 0:51:39.040 --> 0:51:40.839 Just for that, I'm mean to hunt over bait even more, 0:51:41.560 --> 0:51:46.400 fred Bare hunt and over bait of American hunting families 0:51:46.400 --> 0:51:49.319 in the Midwest, hunt over and attracting. So that guy 0:51:49.400 --> 0:51:54.919 doesn't hate me. He hates all those families. Beautiful. That's 0:51:54.920 --> 0:51:57.680 all we need to know. That's an official dirt bag 0:51:57.880 --> 0:52:01.879 right there. He let me let me. By the way, 0:52:01.960 --> 0:52:05.000 by the way, I'm focusing on it now because I 0:52:05.480 --> 0:52:08.880 mentioned that it's the harassment that is the core of 0:52:08.920 --> 0:52:12.200 attrition people quitting because of the Yeah, that was the 0:52:12.239 --> 0:52:15.840 original question, wasn't But the factors that are hurting us 0:52:15.920 --> 0:52:18.400 as and and access to hunting land is one of them, 0:52:18.480 --> 0:52:22.239 but not not crucial because everybody's got an uncle or 0:52:22.239 --> 0:52:24.719 everybody's got a buddy, and there's plenty of state land, 0:52:25.200 --> 0:52:27.719 and I know it's a consideration in some instance, and 0:52:27.880 --> 0:52:30.000 the cost is going up. So these are all things. 0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:32.120 But this thing that we just focused on just a 0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:36.160 moment ago is the inbreeding and cannibalism and the hate 0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:40.480 by a lunatic fringe in our sport. I can't believe 0:52:40.520 --> 0:52:43.160 you had a sight on your your muzzleloader. I can't 0:52:43.160 --> 0:52:46.960 believe you use the scope, but I'm not supposed to 0:52:47.000 --> 0:52:49.680 be really accurate. When I killed the day Air with this, 0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:52.800 you've seen it. So that is that is an element 0:52:52.880 --> 0:52:59.160 that we can crush by identifying their indecency and ostracizing them. 0:52:59.480 --> 0:53:01.960 So that so there's your You just tell about your strategy. 0:53:03.080 --> 0:53:08.520 So you think that we need to call out those people, 0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:11.200 because what you're saying is we need unity inside this 0:53:11.360 --> 0:53:16.120 port and I don't want to no batter Ever since 0:53:16.400 --> 0:53:18.480 is the right thing to do to call those guys 0:53:18.520 --> 0:53:21.759 out as crazy? Does that not make it more divisive? Ted? Oh, 0:53:21.960 --> 0:53:26.000 I like division, you know the division. I like. I 0:53:26.160 --> 0:53:29.160 like the division between families that go shopping in Seattle 0:53:29.560 --> 0:53:32.400 and the people who are burning down Seattle. That's a 0:53:32.480 --> 0:53:35.279 good division. I like the division between the guy who 0:53:35.320 --> 0:53:37.360 goes to the bank and withdraws from his own account 0:53:37.680 --> 0:53:41.600 versus the bank robber. Division is good. So we have 0:53:41.719 --> 0:53:46.320 to so you think unity will come inside the hunting world, 0:53:46.320 --> 0:53:49.440 And that's what we're talking about through calling out these 0:53:49.520 --> 0:53:55.840 guys that would be anti hunt. I can't believe you 0:53:55.920 --> 0:53:58.839 use training wheels. If you're a real hunter, you use 0:53:58.880 --> 0:54:02.080 a longbow. Yeah. And and I'm all for teasing, and 0:54:02.200 --> 0:54:06.000 I'm all for cute little you know, uh, back and forth. 0:54:06.239 --> 0:54:08.880 But these guys are just nasty. And again, it's a 0:54:09.000 --> 0:54:13.719 limitedringe that's in every every aspect of life. Though, no 0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:16.920 doubt there's people that are that are that are like that. 0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:19.600 You know where it's not. I I raised professionally for 0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:22.880 twelve years with Parnelli Jones and Mickey Thompson and Ivan Stewart. 0:54:23.480 --> 0:54:26.279 It didn't exist. The guy that raced for Ford never 0:54:26.360 --> 0:54:28.800 said a bad thing about the Chevy guys who was 0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:31.000 a camaraderie. I'm in the music. How do how do 0:54:31.080 --> 0:54:33.919 we utify people? Though? Like, I hear what you're saying 0:54:34.000 --> 0:54:38.000 about Uh, I mean I understand your philosophy there about 0:54:38.200 --> 0:54:41.600 like uh calling out the bad guys. It's a proven methodology. 0:54:41.680 --> 0:54:44.400 Actually you should come up. I I've I've sold out 0:54:44.440 --> 0:54:46.440 all my hunts again this year. I have twelve to 0:54:46.520 --> 0:54:49.680 twenty people at my um hog operation in Michigan every 0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:54.840 weekend September, October November. The greatest human beings on the planet. 0:54:55.400 --> 0:55:02.320 They support any individual choice, methodology, weapon system people. You know. 0:55:02.520 --> 0:55:08.760 Yeah again haters and the squawkers are a thin lunatic fringe. 0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:14.000 But we really are united, except that you have some 0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:18.000 of these judgmental people find their way into the outdoor 0:55:18.160 --> 0:55:21.200 writing community. Now there's less of it than there was 0:55:21.280 --> 0:55:23.680 for a while, and never forget outdoor life. I was 0:55:23.760 --> 0:55:25.800 telling us that we shouldn't wear a cameo in public 0:55:25.840 --> 0:55:29.600 and avoid the hunting issue. How do you promote something 0:55:29.680 --> 0:55:32.719 that is coming under attack if you hide from it? No, 0:55:33.080 --> 0:55:35.000 And I always wrote, and I got condemned by some 0:55:35.080 --> 0:55:38.160 of those writers were cameo all the time, have that 0:55:38.239 --> 0:55:39.640 deer in the back of the truck and open the 0:55:39.680 --> 0:55:41.839 door for the lady, help her with the groceries, tip 0:55:41.920 --> 0:55:43.719 your hat and say hello and show them that you're 0:55:43.760 --> 0:55:46.200 good people. Just like what do they call it? The uh? 0:55:46.560 --> 0:55:51.040 The cameo are our Vada when the hurricanes hit? Who 0:55:51.120 --> 0:55:53.200 do you think saved all those people from the floods? 0:55:53.520 --> 0:55:58.480 Duck hunters, big truck deer hunters. That that's how you 0:55:58.640 --> 0:56:00.520 and they're all cameo and they even you know, a 0:56:00.600 --> 0:56:03.919 our fifteens come and get it. So I CBS didn't 0:56:03.960 --> 0:56:05.840 know the guy had the T shirt on and anti 0:56:05.960 --> 0:56:11.840 hunting CBS actually showed a promotional gun ownership. So be outspoken, 0:56:12.440 --> 0:56:15.440 be courteous and friendly, and be sure they know you're 0:56:15.440 --> 0:56:19.040 a hunter. Where that and r a hat to counter 0:56:19.160 --> 0:56:22.680 the lives about guns. You know, maybe some of the 0:56:22.800 --> 0:56:26.760 roots of this philosophy would have subconsciously come from stuff 0:56:26.800 --> 0:56:29.640 I've heard you say over the years, But I you know, 0:56:29.760 --> 0:56:34.680 I think that any dedication to craft, dedication to something 0:56:34.800 --> 0:56:38.840 that takes as much energy effort as hunting does to 0:56:38.920 --> 0:56:43.000 be successful, makes you a better human. Question. You know 0:56:43.920 --> 0:56:46.840 a lot of guys talk about like limiting factors inside 0:56:46.880 --> 0:56:49.320 there hunting, like, how can I be more successful? And 0:56:49.400 --> 0:56:50.759 what I always say is that the way you could 0:56:50.760 --> 0:56:52.719 be a more successful hunter is to be a better 0:56:52.840 --> 0:56:55.799 human outside of hunting. If your family is in order, 0:56:56.160 --> 0:56:58.400 if your finances are in order, that's why. If your 0:56:58.520 --> 0:57:01.319 life is in order, then you're to have more time 0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:04.279 to unite here. So I always take hunting as a 0:57:04.360 --> 0:57:08.080 position of you know, hunting is not salvation. I mean 0:57:08.160 --> 0:57:10.719 it's not. It's it's you know, we might be dedicated 0:57:10.760 --> 0:57:13.000 to something else that could do a similar thing, maybe 0:57:13.080 --> 0:57:18.440 not as fun, not as good, but dedication two craft 0:57:19.400 --> 0:57:22.000 gives you the opportunity can make you a better human. 0:57:22.120 --> 0:57:23.800 And that's that's what I say to these to our 0:57:24.040 --> 0:57:29.120 to our hunters. That's pursuit of excellence, good, better neighborliness, 0:57:29.360 --> 0:57:36.800 positive spirit, generosity, caring, not being judgmental. If you don't, 0:57:36.800 --> 0:57:38.400 I've never said, well, you're not as good as I 0:57:38.440 --> 0:57:41.840 am if you don't hunt. Not everybody's a hunter, Not 0:57:42.000 --> 0:57:45.520 everybody's a wool rancher. I'm glad you do it because 0:57:45.520 --> 0:57:48.680 I like my wool clothing, but I don't have a sheepherd. 0:57:49.840 --> 0:57:54.680 It's about excellence, samurai life, liberty, pursuit of happiness in 0:57:54.800 --> 0:57:57.520 your given calling. And you're absolutely right. That's why I 0:57:57.600 --> 0:58:00.560 mentioned my campfires. And I've been doing this since the 0:58:00.760 --> 0:58:08.960 late sixties. Sharing campfires. Boy, you could become you know, jaded. 0:58:09.040 --> 0:58:13.440 On the positive side, you could become convinced that the 0:58:13.560 --> 0:58:17.080 world is perfect if you just came to my camp 0:58:17.160 --> 0:58:20.000 fires every weekend in Michigan and Texas. These are the 0:58:20.200 --> 0:58:25.080 greatest people, entrepreneurs and work ethic and fun and positive energy. 0:58:25.200 --> 0:58:28.640 And we talk about charities, and we talk about guidance 0:58:28.720 --> 0:58:33.120 and schools and and challenging elected employees to adhere to 0:58:33.160 --> 0:58:36.320 their constitutional oath. I'm telling you I am not the 0:58:36.480 --> 0:58:42.640 weird guy. I am that rancher, I'm that hardware store operator. 0:58:42.720 --> 0:58:45.040 I'm I'm just happened to be the guitar player, and 0:58:45.360 --> 0:58:48.840 I promote the things that turned me on the most. 0:58:48.920 --> 0:58:51.920 But I also promote my welding buddies and the mechanics 0:58:51.960 --> 0:58:55.080 and the plumbers and the teachers and the cops. So 0:58:55.320 --> 0:58:58.680 you're absolutely right. You find a person who's really a 0:58:58.960 --> 0:59:01.520 dedicated hunter. Doesn't mean they have to kill a deer 0:59:01.600 --> 0:59:04.960 every year or a big bucker, or focus on trophies. 0:59:05.040 --> 0:59:07.080 Even though a good Woodchuck is a trophy to me. 0:59:07.880 --> 0:59:16.520 But you'll find that the that the inescapable discipline of stealth, marksmanship, 0:59:17.600 --> 0:59:21.720 mystical flight of the arrow zen that as they as 0:59:21.760 --> 0:59:28.280 they pursue and discover upgrades incrementally in those pursuits. They're 0:59:28.320 --> 0:59:30.560 going to be a better teacher, They're going to be 0:59:30.600 --> 0:59:32.960 a better father, a better husband, a better brother. I'm 0:59:33.040 --> 0:59:37.280 convinced to this um so I call it the spirit 0:59:37.800 --> 0:59:40.040 of the wild, and I think we can go back 0:59:40.080 --> 0:59:42.720 to the Aborigines, the Native America with Coach He's and 0:59:42.920 --> 0:59:45.800 crazy horse and city and bull and the oneness with 0:59:46.160 --> 0:59:49.440 the great spirit that they always referenced and the lyrics 0:59:49.480 --> 0:59:54.440 to my Great White Buffalo that came from divine intervention 0:59:54.720 --> 0:59:57.440 on a jam session. I didn't know that the legend 0:59:57.480 --> 0:59:59.360 of the Great White Buffalo, but I sang it lick 0:59:59.440 --> 1:00:03.560 for lick spontaneously. I made him up, made the lyrics came. 1:00:04.240 --> 1:00:10.640 I think because of the spirit that I've discovered and 1:00:10.960 --> 1:00:14.919 that I've been saturated with from learning to get close 1:00:14.960 --> 1:00:18.160 to that quail on the Rouge River in Detroit in 1:00:18.280 --> 1:00:24.960 n There it's not just physical, it really is spiritual. 1:00:25.480 --> 1:00:27.280 Let me let me go back to something that I 1:00:27.400 --> 1:00:30.600 wanted to that's related to this very much, so that 1:00:30.920 --> 1:00:33.720 I've always wanted to. Well, I've wanted to talk to 1:00:33.760 --> 1:00:36.480 you about this. Where did you so? I've heard you 1:00:36.520 --> 1:00:39.200 say you were clean and sober for all these years, 1:00:41.480 --> 1:00:46.439 where it takes a lot of identity to be able 1:00:46.520 --> 1:00:49.280 to be in the places you were in, the culture 1:00:49.360 --> 1:00:53.320 that you were in and not fall into that. Where 1:00:53.360 --> 1:00:55.200 did that come from? Ted? I mean, and I know 1:00:55.360 --> 1:00:59.320 you could. I mean, like, where did the strength to 1:00:59.400 --> 1:01:04.040 be opposite positional to the time come from? Just listen, 1:01:04.120 --> 1:01:07.080 just this is an official performance, and I'll keep it 1:01:07.160 --> 1:01:11.240 down so you can hear everything. But have you ever 1:01:11.320 --> 1:01:14.240 heard my song? I just want to go hunting? I 1:01:14.320 --> 1:01:16.080 don't know. I don't think I have what you're about 1:01:16.080 --> 1:01:18.240 to And I'll keep it down so that the lyrics 1:01:18.320 --> 1:01:44.000 are forceful. I was always different. Nobody understood. I didn't 1:01:44.200 --> 1:01:48.800 play follow the leader. I was always in the woods 1:01:49.680 --> 1:01:54.320 where they hadn't invented peer pressure. Yet it seems I 1:01:54.400 --> 1:02:00.960 stood alone. My daddy had a vision, love family and 1:02:01.240 --> 1:02:04.720 the home. Well, some punks used to laugh at me. 1:02:05.840 --> 1:02:08.919 They said, how can you rock and not get high? 1:02:09.840 --> 1:02:13.320 I just stood my ground, and then I watched those 1:02:13.560 --> 1:02:17.680 punks falling die because I just want to go hunt. 1:02:17.720 --> 1:02:22.520 A little goose bunks makes me feel so good. I 1:02:22.840 --> 1:02:26.480 just want to go hunting. Try to find me in 1:02:26.800 --> 1:02:32.960 the woods. Things get a little crazy in this day 1:02:33.080 --> 1:02:41.280 and age. The concrete jungle warfare got everybody in a rage. Well, 1:02:41.320 --> 1:02:45.400 I shore like my rocking danger, and I crave my 1:02:45.720 --> 1:02:51.800 rocking roll. But when I get my limit, I know 1:02:52.120 --> 1:02:56.400 where to go. I just jump into four wheel drive 1:02:57.240 --> 1:03:00.360 and I lord up. The dogs in the family leave 1:03:00.760 --> 1:03:05.120 because I'm gonna feel a live with the wild life 1:03:05.560 --> 1:03:09.240 where I can't breathe, because I just want to go hunting. 1:03:10.440 --> 1:03:15.680 It makes me feel so good. I just gotta go hunting. 1:03:16.680 --> 1:03:22.000 Try to find me in the woods. Yeah, I'm sitting away. 1:03:23.800 --> 1:03:27.959 I'm looking for a new sunrise. I got to feel 1:03:28.040 --> 1:03:32.880 okay because it's times like this makes me healthy and wild. 1:03:43.360 --> 1:03:46.680 God told me in the Bible, he said, go ahead, 1:03:46.880 --> 1:03:52.160 wag him tied. So I'll take my kids hunting. So 1:03:52.560 --> 1:03:56.000 I don't gotta hunt for my kids. We like to 1:03:56.120 --> 1:03:59.960 jump in the four wheel drive. We gotta bloat up 1:04:00.080 --> 1:04:03.720 the dogs and the family. I gotta I gotta feel 1:04:03.760 --> 1:04:09.200 alive with the wild life where I can't breathe because 1:04:09.320 --> 1:04:13.480 I just want to go on. It makes me feel 1:04:13.600 --> 1:04:19.240 so good. I'm gonna always go hunting, and I'll always 1:04:19.320 --> 1:04:25.760 be in the woods because I'm slipping away. I gotta 1:04:25.920 --> 1:04:32.400 get get anyway farther way every day. I gotta feel 1:04:32.440 --> 1:04:46.040 alive in my way because I'm slipping away. That answers 1:04:46.120 --> 1:04:50.160 the question do you see the goose bumps? I could 1:04:50.200 --> 1:04:54.920 have literally cried as I was singing, that is that yours? 1:04:55.040 --> 1:04:59.240 That your life? The punks used to laugh at me 1:04:59.280 --> 1:05:01.560 because I wouldn't get high. You can't rock like dad 1:05:01.560 --> 1:05:04.280 and not get high. So I watched those punks fall 1:05:04.400 --> 1:05:08.160 in die, all of them, and the ones that didn't 1:05:08.200 --> 1:05:11.800 I can't talk. And they made fun of me because 1:05:11.840 --> 1:05:15.320 I'd promote hunting. I had a cowardy murders Bambi. Oh yeah, 1:05:15.600 --> 1:05:19.400 let's reduce precious living, breathing wildlife to a cartoon level. 1:05:19.680 --> 1:05:24.760 Smoke some more dope. You gotta be kidding me. It 1:05:24.840 --> 1:05:27.680 took a lot of took a lot of internal forges. 1:05:27.720 --> 1:05:31.000 Did your were your siblings like that? Dad? Yeah? In 1:05:32.160 --> 1:05:35.280 different ways? And let me expound in that briefly. Because 1:05:35.320 --> 1:05:38.160 my dad was a drill sergeant World War Two. God 1:05:38.360 --> 1:05:40.960 bless war and Henry nugent and he was already both 1:05:41.000 --> 1:05:43.720 hunt What was your father's name, Yeah, Warren Henry nugent 1:05:44.160 --> 1:05:46.560 Um was a drill sergeant in the U. S. Army 1:05:46.680 --> 1:05:49.200 Cavalry in World War Two and Korea. And he brought 1:05:49.280 --> 1:05:52.960 home his riding crop, the same riding croppy train horses 1:05:53.040 --> 1:05:57.280 with and my brother's sister and I just lost my 1:05:57.360 --> 1:06:01.080 brother John, and January. It's a great, great guy. If 1:06:01.120 --> 1:06:04.240 we are all around the campfire, we'd have you roaring 1:06:04.360 --> 1:06:07.760 with laughter of stories of my day. The youngest know 1:06:08.000 --> 1:06:11.160 as the second oldest brother Jeff is two years older 1:06:11.160 --> 1:06:13.720 than I am, and then me and then my brother 1:06:13.880 --> 1:06:18.000 John would have been. And my sister Cathey was up 1:06:18.040 --> 1:06:22.280 North Michigan, right up where we started hunting Um, but 1:06:22.440 --> 1:06:25.240 he was already a bow hunter, and the discipline factor 1:06:25.440 --> 1:06:35.840 we hated him. We were controlled unnecessarily and fearful of discipline. 1:06:36.160 --> 1:06:41.560 A beautiful parenting system, by the way. But he also 1:06:42.640 --> 1:06:46.560 took me hunting every year and taught me those disciplines 1:06:47.600 --> 1:06:52.560 slow stealth, quiet shadows, which I wasn't real good at 1:06:52.560 --> 1:06:55.680 because you, as you've noticed, I'm a bit uppity. Not 1:06:55.840 --> 1:07:00.800 exactly the personality conducive to sneaky bow hunting techniques, but 1:07:00.920 --> 1:07:04.439 I've adapted over the years. Um. And then of course 1:07:04.560 --> 1:07:10.080 they would just my dad would threaten us touch liquor tobacco. 1:07:10.200 --> 1:07:14.280 You know, they're both drank and smoked. Go figure. Um. 1:07:15.000 --> 1:07:20.320 So if anybody was in the vortex of rebellion, it 1:07:20.360 --> 1:07:22.720 would have been me because I was already rocking my 1:07:22.800 --> 1:07:27.160 balls off and he hated that, playing a little Richard stuff, 1:07:27.200 --> 1:07:30.720 and he wanted to play Lawrence Welcome music Stare, What 1:07:30.840 --> 1:07:35.280 a what a fascinating journey. So so I would have 1:07:35.320 --> 1:07:37.920 been inclined to smoke and drink, and especially in that 1:07:38.080 --> 1:07:40.160 era where it was ubiquitous, you couldn't get away from it. 1:07:40.160 --> 1:07:42.560 I'm surprised I didn't get stone just on their second 1:07:42.600 --> 1:07:48.200 hand dope. But I realized, luckily my dad's discipline I 1:07:48.280 --> 1:07:53.800 would have dismissed and rebelled against. Except by that age 1:07:53.880 --> 1:07:58.400 I was twelve or thirteen. I'm struggling to play Killer 1:07:59.040 --> 1:08:03.000 Chuck Barry Bow did the rock and roll. And I 1:08:03.160 --> 1:08:06.600 saw these great musicians much better than me. I watched 1:08:06.640 --> 1:08:11.600 them drink and lose their musical touch. I watched them 1:08:11.680 --> 1:08:15.960 get high, and they were always late and they forgot 1:08:16.040 --> 1:08:20.519 the arrangements. So now my dad's discipline now had a 1:08:20.680 --> 1:08:25.519 pragmatic indicator that if I really love the music, which 1:08:25.560 --> 1:08:27.840 I really loved them, that's a great lick. And that's 1:08:28.600 --> 1:08:31.400 a great lick. It's a rock and lick on acoustic 1:08:31.439 --> 1:08:35.559 guitar by Matt McPherson. Um So I was. I never 1:08:35.640 --> 1:08:37.600 wanted to be a rock star. I never wanted to 1:08:37.920 --> 1:08:40.400 make plant of albums. I never I just want to 1:08:40.439 --> 1:08:43.720 make music. The music drove me. You know they say 1:08:43.760 --> 1:08:45.879 that guys getting in it for the chicks. I adapted 1:08:45.920 --> 1:08:48.720 to that later, but I bought just making music. Um So, 1:08:49.400 --> 1:08:52.360 now I'm seeing that my dad's discipline of clean and 1:08:52.439 --> 1:08:57.439 sober would benefit my musical prowess. And when do you 1:08:57.479 --> 1:09:00.439 think he came to that? Mean you had to have 1:09:00.680 --> 1:09:04.120 been a little had some age on you to understand that. 1:09:04.200 --> 1:09:07.840 I mean you, because you said early teens. And then 1:09:07.960 --> 1:09:10.879 by the time that they're beating X turned into hippies 1:09:11.200 --> 1:09:16.360 and just began this huge, slobbering, drooling, stumbling, puking, gaggy 1:09:16.840 --> 1:09:20.280 death march. I'm going and they were calling you the party, 1:09:20.320 --> 1:09:24.439 and I'm going, it's not a party. You're dying you're puking, 1:09:24.560 --> 1:09:27.799 you're stumbling, you're bumping into people. That's not a parties 1:09:27.800 --> 1:09:30.559 around a campfire with some killer music and some chicks 1:09:31.880 --> 1:09:36.400 where you're cognizant of the chicks. If you're comfortably numb, 1:09:36.479 --> 1:09:39.760 you're your your a liability you can't do in your 1:09:39.840 --> 1:09:42.719 late You know, the song goes like this your dirt bag. 1:09:43.479 --> 1:09:46.400 There's a win went through so many musicians, so you know, 1:09:47.120 --> 1:09:50.760 all this makes sense as a recipe to what made 1:09:50.840 --> 1:09:53.760 me what I am. But also, Clay, come on, let's 1:09:53.800 --> 1:09:58.000 admit it. I am a defiant, cocky son of a boot. 1:09:58.560 --> 1:10:01.160 And if you want to convince me of anything to 1:10:01.320 --> 1:10:04.960 try this doper, this cocaine, you're gonna have to penetrate 1:10:05.120 --> 1:10:10.280 my intellectual shield that it's going to be was not 1:10:10.479 --> 1:10:15.400 to do it when everybody else was done. Yes, I 1:10:15.520 --> 1:10:22.040 rebelled against the inescapable stupidity of the drooling and puking 1:10:22.120 --> 1:10:25.760 and dying Clay did. I turned down Jimmy Hendricks dope 1:10:25.800 --> 1:10:30.120 and I said no, and it's gonna kill you. Come on, man, 1:10:30.760 --> 1:10:33.880 Jimmy Hendrix tried to right this close you and me, 1:10:35.040 --> 1:10:41.400 Keith Moon of the who not Keith, You got buggers 1:10:41.439 --> 1:10:44.080 coming out of your nose. You you just think, no, 1:10:44.560 --> 1:10:47.120 it's gonna kill you. I said the words it's gonna 1:10:47.280 --> 1:10:50.680 kill you. Jimi Hendrix, Keith Moon, Bond, Scott A C 1:10:50.840 --> 1:10:55.800 D C. John Belushi, Sam Kenderson. Luckily Sam sobered up 1:10:55.840 --> 1:10:59.880 and then he unfortunately died in a car wreckt Over 1:11:00.280 --> 1:11:02.800 over again, John Entwhistle of the who I go, No, 1:11:03.080 --> 1:11:08.280 I don't know, I know it's gonna kill you. And 1:11:08.360 --> 1:11:10.120 a bunch of guys you've never heard of that were 1:11:10.200 --> 1:11:16.280 just geniuses, Oh my God gifted musical forces. And they 1:11:16.360 --> 1:11:19.479 thought they had to just like punks used to laugh 1:11:19.560 --> 1:11:21.439 at me, said how can your rock? And they felt, 1:11:22.080 --> 1:11:24.160 how can you rock? And knocket high? They think they 1:11:24.240 --> 1:11:27.080 had to do that to rock out? No, no, no, no, 1:11:27.200 --> 1:11:29.760 no no, and get and guess who all the good clean, 1:11:29.840 --> 1:11:34.240 pretty girls want clean and sober guys, you jerks um. 1:11:34.880 --> 1:11:37.080 So there was. You know, the God rewarded me in 1:11:37.240 --> 1:11:42.000 different ways. But so that song articulates the clear and 1:11:42.200 --> 1:11:46.160 present system of decision making. And again it goes back 1:11:46.200 --> 1:11:47.519 to the discipline. You had to do the right thing. 1:11:47.680 --> 1:11:50.120 My dad. Knock your block off, Remember the term knock 1:11:50.160 --> 1:11:52.760 your block off. You really would knock your block off, 1:11:53.320 --> 1:11:56.120 it's awesome. And if you can meet all my sons 1:11:56.160 --> 1:12:00.400 and daughters and all my grandkids, that Poppy I'm a 1:12:00.760 --> 1:12:05.200 I'm I got, I got eleven of them, and when 1:12:05.240 --> 1:12:07.439 I show up, all of a sudden things get a 1:12:07.479 --> 1:12:10.559 little bit more organized. And even though they all shooting 1:12:10.680 --> 1:12:12.960 hunt and they love off roading with Poppy, and they 1:12:13.040 --> 1:12:15.880 love wrestling and I you know there's a woodchuck in 1:12:15.960 --> 1:12:19.720 their garden, they know who to call. So so it's 1:12:19.800 --> 1:12:22.240 really served me well. But the song says it all. 1:12:22.920 --> 1:12:26.920 They hadn't invented peer pressure yet, seems I stood alone 1:12:27.320 --> 1:12:31.000 when my daddy had a vision, love, family and a home. Well, 1:12:31.080 --> 1:12:34.760 how on hip is that? How cool am I? How 1:12:35.160 --> 1:12:41.160 how prioritized? How smart was I? Yeah? Do you know 1:12:41.280 --> 1:12:44.080 any other musicians that were in your that would have 1:12:44.120 --> 1:12:46.559 been a peer of yours that took on that stance? Well, 1:12:46.640 --> 1:12:49.080 first of there there's different categories of peers. I've been 1:12:49.160 --> 1:12:51.880 surrounded by the world's greatest virtuous was all my life. 1:12:52.000 --> 1:12:55.640 I mean, my musicians in all my different bands, the 1:12:55.720 --> 1:12:58.479 best that ever walked the earth. And when you're when 1:12:58.479 --> 1:13:02.120 they're not in my band, typically September through Marsh, it 1:13:02.280 --> 1:13:04.880 is because I'm not available. Um. They worked with the 1:13:04.920 --> 1:13:09.160 greatest artists on the planet. UM. But as far as 1:13:09.360 --> 1:13:17.800 peer on a on a human, spiritual, freeman American level, UM, 1:13:18.080 --> 1:13:21.920 I would say some great great guys, a lot of 1:13:21.960 --> 1:13:24.759 straight guys. My band Jason Heartlet was twenty year oldrummer 1:13:24.760 --> 1:13:28.639 from Detroit, Clean and Sober Monster. Greg Smith my longtime 1:13:28.680 --> 1:13:33.120 bass player from Pennsylvania, Clean and Sober Monster. I could 1:13:33.200 --> 1:13:35.519 name so many my Damn Yankees buddies. I'm sure they 1:13:35.560 --> 1:13:38.000 had some history of this stuff. They'll probably Michael Cardiloni 1:13:38.040 --> 1:13:39.560 didn't because he was so young when he joined the 1:13:39.640 --> 1:13:42.000 Damn Yankees. UM. So there's a lot of clean and 1:13:42.080 --> 1:13:44.680 sober guys out there now, and a lot of them 1:13:44.760 --> 1:13:48.880 saved their lives by by stopping in time to retain 1:13:49.000 --> 1:13:53.400 some brain matter, and many didn't. But I think of 1:13:53.520 --> 1:13:58.240 Gene Simmons of Kiss, he's been cleaning sober all his life. UM. 1:13:59.280 --> 1:14:02.360 I'm hard us to think of someone else. Maybe Ricky 1:14:02.439 --> 1:14:05.559 Medlock of Blackfoot and Leonard Skinners. I think I had 1:14:05.640 --> 1:14:09.799 him on my spirit campfire recently, and if he hasn't 1:14:09.840 --> 1:14:12.560 been cleaning sober all his life, he is so upbeat 1:14:12.640 --> 1:14:15.200 and so tuned in and as an Indian, as a 1:14:15.280 --> 1:14:18.800 Native American. He and I really have a bond. And 1:14:19.400 --> 1:14:21.559 I would venture to say that Ricky Medlock has never 1:14:21.640 --> 1:14:23.880 been started or drunk because he's just too tuned in. 1:14:24.040 --> 1:14:26.240 He doesn't miss nothing. In other words, I test my 1:14:26.360 --> 1:14:28.360 friends by just flicking a pick in the air, and 1:14:28.400 --> 1:14:33.000 the ones that catch it I feel. Hey. So, okay, 1:14:33.240 --> 1:14:36.479 now I've heard you talk about your guitar playing like 1:14:37.240 --> 1:14:41.479 it's a beast. Okay, okay, we're not on the air, 1:14:42.080 --> 1:14:44.960 and you're not talking about yourself. You're outside of your body. 1:14:45.200 --> 1:14:47.240 Often when I played my guitar, I am, by the way, 1:14:47.640 --> 1:14:50.160 I swear to God, I'm a fan of the music. 1:14:52.240 --> 1:14:54.880 Honest question, and I know you're gonna give me an 1:14:54.880 --> 1:14:58.880 honest answer. How good of a guitar player are you? 1:15:00.320 --> 1:15:03.320 I mean, I'm I mean, I know, I know I'm 1:15:03.360 --> 1:15:07.759 as good. I'm as good as anybody that's ever walked 1:15:07.800 --> 1:15:10.439 the earth. I don't care who you mentioned. I know 1:15:10.560 --> 1:15:13.280 him all, I probably played with them all, and I'm 1:15:13.400 --> 1:15:16.519 I've got no reason to not believe you. There. The 1:15:16.680 --> 1:15:22.760 songs I've written are monstrosity soundtracks. Two people's lives I 1:15:22.960 --> 1:15:24.920 have who are some of the other great guitar players. 1:15:24.960 --> 1:15:27.760 There's so many. I mean my my guitar player, Derek 1:15:27.800 --> 1:15:32.120 Saint Holmes for so many years, Ricky Medlock, Billy Gibbons. Uh, 1:15:33.080 --> 1:15:37.360 Tommy Shaw. They never mentioned Tommy Shaw. He's a monster. Um. 1:15:37.920 --> 1:15:41.600 Certainly Eddie van Halen and certainly Clapton and Page and 1:15:41.760 --> 1:15:45.719 back and Brian may and um, Sammy Hagers and monster 1:15:45.800 --> 1:15:50.320 Sammy's guitar player, Vick Johnson's a monster. Um. Ronnie Montrose 1:15:50.479 --> 1:15:52.439 was a monster. Of course, you go back to Dick 1:15:52.560 --> 1:15:55.439 Dale and Lonnie Mack and Dwayne Eddie and Chuck Berry 1:15:55.479 --> 1:16:00.920 and Bow Diddley. Um. Obviously Jimmy Hendrix was an earth mover. Uh, 1:16:01.160 --> 1:16:06.280 there's so many monster uh. Rich who plays with Toby 1:16:06.439 --> 1:16:10.000 Keith as a monster on guitar? Uh. Some of these 1:16:10.080 --> 1:16:12.599 country guys, though their tone is horrible and they don't 1:16:12.640 --> 1:16:14.840 put them up in the mix where they belong. Brad 1:16:15.040 --> 1:16:20.639 Paisley and the funny haircut from Australia. Um, I can't 1:16:20.640 --> 1:16:23.200 think of his name right now, but they're monsters. Shmayne 1:16:23.240 --> 1:16:25.439 knows who they are. Um, and I apologize for not 1:16:25.520 --> 1:16:29.479 knowing his name. Uh. So there's guitars are such a 1:16:29.680 --> 1:16:35.360 sensual individual expression. I mean, this is I want you 1:16:35.439 --> 1:16:37.760 to play Fred bare Force. I will, But this is 1:16:37.840 --> 1:16:42.519 my electric guitar. This is my Gibson Birdland. How long 1:16:42.560 --> 1:16:45.479 have you had this guitar? Um for? Probably it looks 1:16:45.840 --> 1:16:48.439 pushing fifty years. It looks like it's been played a little. 1:16:48.760 --> 1:16:51.600 And if you offered me three hundred thousand dollars, I 1:16:51.640 --> 1:16:54.160 would have to turn you down, which I already have 1:16:54.880 --> 1:16:58.560 on numerous occasions. But this is a this is a 1:16:58.680 --> 1:17:03.400 really unique Truman that uh was made as a jazz 1:17:03.479 --> 1:17:20.160 guitar in Kalamazoo, Michigan. What kind of guitar is this? 1:17:20.479 --> 1:17:23.920 This is a Gibson Birdland B y R D L 1:17:24.000 --> 1:17:26.240 A N D. It's a hollow body that has the 1:17:26.360 --> 1:17:29.080 greatest tone in the world. Listen, listen how smooth you 1:17:29.160 --> 1:17:42.760 can make it sound, and then you can make it 1:17:42.840 --> 1:17:48.080 sound really nasty. Um probably looked too loud for your equivactor. 1:17:49.200 --> 1:18:25.920 It does this. It talks to me. It talks to me. Oh, 1:18:26.160 --> 1:20:19.240 here we go. There it is I'm looking for a 1:20:19.360 --> 1:20:24.479 flag to salute. Look around, there's a whole bunch of 1:20:24.600 --> 1:20:27.680 military flags that have flown over battlefield. There we go. 1:20:41.000 --> 1:20:45.760 Bright On mystical flight of the guitar. Um. That was beautiful. 1:20:46.080 --> 1:20:49.960 It's such a such an independently expressive instrument because you 1:20:50.040 --> 1:20:52.800 can bend notes and go where there're semi tones where 1:20:52.840 --> 1:20:55.479 no other instruments can go, especially with a bird land. 1:20:55.520 --> 1:21:01.120 I've cultivated the feedback sonics, the overtones, the the the 1:21:01.320 --> 1:21:06.560 unbelievable unlimited voice of noise, and I've actually whooped it 1:21:06.640 --> 1:21:11.240 into melodies and patterns because it's so noisy, and you 1:21:11.360 --> 1:21:13.240 stand in front of an apple, it's just feedback and 1:21:13.280 --> 1:21:16.880 eat your face, which is a challenge every night. But yeah, 1:21:17.120 --> 1:21:21.000 guitars and bows and arrows, man. Yeah, it's been a beautiful, 1:21:21.040 --> 1:21:24.479 beautiful thing. Well, hey, we'll end here with a little 1:21:24.600 --> 1:21:28.240 talk about bears. Tell me, tell me, tell me where 1:21:28.320 --> 1:21:32.599 you're You're a lifelong bear hunter all my life. Yeah, 1:21:32.640 --> 1:21:34.920 back in Michigan, you could, uh didn't even need a tag. 1:21:35.000 --> 1:21:37.880 You can hunt bears during the deer season. Um. And 1:21:38.720 --> 1:21:41.439 I think at one time, when they first made him 1:21:41.439 --> 1:21:43.760 a big game man, we could buy a tag over 1:21:43.800 --> 1:21:46.720 the counter for five bucks. You're going back up there 1:21:46.800 --> 1:21:50.960 this fall, Clay after seventeen years, and this is a 1:21:51.200 --> 1:21:56.080 this hearkens back to my condemnation of overreaching bureaucrats again 1:21:56.840 --> 1:21:59.800 up in the Lake County north of Baldwin, where we 1:21:59.880 --> 1:22:04.480 have our property and my sister lives, bears are dangerously 1:22:04.600 --> 1:22:08.000 overpopulated the nuisance bear complaints, putting them in the liability 1:22:08.080 --> 1:22:10.880 column instead of the asset column. We're supposed to have 1:22:10.960 --> 1:22:13.360 sound science. In fact, the law in Michigan, I hope 1:22:13.400 --> 1:22:15.719 it is everywhere, is that wildlife has to be managed 1:22:15.720 --> 1:22:18.920 based on sound science. There is no sound science to 1:22:19.000 --> 1:22:22.479 be found in Michigan. You want your heartbroke. There are 1:22:22.560 --> 1:22:25.679 so many sand hill cranes, Ribby's in the sky. Follow 1:22:25.760 --> 1:22:28.440 me on this. I talked a moment ago about immoral 1:22:28.600 --> 1:22:32.360 laws some human beings. I'm giving them the benefit of 1:22:32.400 --> 1:22:35.920 the doubt. We're in a room in Lansing, Michigan, who 1:22:36.000 --> 1:22:40.400 have credentials in wildlife management, Natural Resource Commission, Department Natural Resources. 1:22:40.720 --> 1:22:43.400 These human beings were in a room and agreed that 1:22:43.560 --> 1:22:48.360 after years of intense and increasing complaints by the agricultural 1:22:48.400 --> 1:22:51.600 community that the sand hill cranes were destroying millions of 1:22:51.680 --> 1:22:57.560 dollars worth of crops each year, that they decided you 1:22:57.680 --> 1:23:01.640 can shoot a ribby in the sky on site, but 1:23:01.760 --> 1:23:10.160 it's you're forbidden to consume them. Mm hmm. It's a disaster. 1:23:11.160 --> 1:23:16.000 That is a disaster when human beings with wildlife credentials 1:23:16.360 --> 1:23:19.840 can even think in those immoral terms and then make 1:23:19.960 --> 1:23:22.360 such an immoral decrease. So let's go back to bears. 1:23:22.720 --> 1:23:25.280 So for over a dozen years the bear population has 1:23:25.320 --> 1:23:30.360 been expanding, hallelujah. And we have forensic evidence up in 1:23:30.479 --> 1:23:35.719 the UH the I believe it's called the Turtle Club 1:23:35.840 --> 1:23:40.880 areas like acres historical going back to the early nineteen 1:23:41.680 --> 1:23:45.000 club where they's just have been ravaged by bears. There's 1:23:45.200 --> 1:23:47.360 bears everywhere and they can't draw a tag. I think 1:23:47.400 --> 1:23:50.000 they a lot on this is they a lot three 1:23:50.040 --> 1:23:52.559 tags a year. Well, they went and they did studies. 1:23:52.560 --> 1:23:54.360 They put the barbed wire in the bait, and they 1:23:54.439 --> 1:23:57.120 got the hair, and they did forensic studies and everything 1:23:57.160 --> 1:23:59.200 they want. You know, there's there's not thirty two bears 1:23:59.280 --> 1:24:03.519 in the place. There's three bears on the place, three 1:24:03.600 --> 1:24:08.559 tags only. So in my area, on my property, I've 1:24:08.600 --> 1:24:11.040 been begging nobody can have a bird in the up. No, 1:24:11.240 --> 1:24:15.320 I'm up in this northern UH the Lower Peninsula up 1:24:15.360 --> 1:24:18.120 near the Manistee National Forest Factory. Were in the Manistee 1:24:18.160 --> 1:24:21.880 National Forest. So kids are being chased home from bus stops. 1:24:21.920 --> 1:24:25.479 You see bears daylight hours. They're not afraid of humans 1:24:25.520 --> 1:24:28.760 at all. They follow your truck into the cabin. Um 1:24:29.040 --> 1:24:36.000 just just inescapable, unambiguous indicators of dangerous overpopulations. And so 1:24:36.439 --> 1:24:40.320 I finally drew a tag after seventeen years. And even 1:24:40.360 --> 1:24:43.000 though I'm just identifying the bad and the ugly part, now, 1:24:43.080 --> 1:24:45.960 the good part is that I can't wait. It's like, 1:24:46.560 --> 1:24:50.959 is there something special about hunting anyway? Um, whether successful 1:24:51.040 --> 1:24:54.320 or not? And then there's really something special about being successful, 1:24:54.760 --> 1:24:58.800 the venison, the spirit, the sense of accomplishment. But when 1:24:58.920 --> 1:25:02.400 you I've lived a life like I have, and I've changed, 1:25:02.880 --> 1:25:06.920 you know, farmland from hayfields to towering forests that I've 1:25:07.000 --> 1:25:10.080 had I planted myself, and you kill a deer out 1:25:10.120 --> 1:25:14.479 of a forest that you planted, it's one of the 1:25:14.720 --> 1:25:19.000 greatest joys of life. Almost on a parallel with welcoming 1:25:19.040 --> 1:25:22.960 a child into your family at birth, you know, not 1:25:23.200 --> 1:25:27.760 quite but close. Well, for all my life I've known 1:25:27.800 --> 1:25:31.040 the bears have been exploding up there, And so I 1:25:31.200 --> 1:25:33.640 drew a tag, and I'm so excited to go out 1:25:33.680 --> 1:25:37.320 there and start my baiting legally on August and my 1:25:38.320 --> 1:25:43.120 tag is good for September, and I suspect yeah, so 1:25:43.320 --> 1:25:47.920 I'm heading up there soon. So with with the population 1:25:48.000 --> 1:25:50.040 of bears up there, I have a funny feeling I 1:25:50.120 --> 1:25:52.840 can be real patient and wait for a big old 1:25:52.920 --> 1:25:56.120 bore and I'm planting on it. And my bait system 1:25:56.439 --> 1:25:59.439 is so proven with the bacon and the syrup and 1:25:59.520 --> 1:26:01.800 the dog food and the marshmallows and the beaver. I 1:26:01.880 --> 1:26:05.680 got a bunch of beaver carcasses. So I expect to 1:26:05.760 --> 1:26:08.280 be surrounded by bears. Of course, I have the eternal optimists. 1:26:08.720 --> 1:26:11.000 I'm sure I'll get skunked for a few days, but 1:26:11.160 --> 1:26:15.679 I expect great, great things that can't wait. That's excellent. 1:26:16.439 --> 1:26:18.840 You know we uh, we have a all end with this, 1:26:19.000 --> 1:26:20.800 and you can you can tell me what you think. 1:26:21.280 --> 1:26:23.960 The We have a phrase that we're using called guard 1:26:24.080 --> 1:26:32.280 the Gate ted, which basically bear hunting in all its forms, baiting, hounds, 1:26:33.000 --> 1:26:35.680 spot and stop. You know we I love every one 1:26:35.720 --> 1:26:38.120 of them, and I love them equally, and they're all 1:26:38.280 --> 1:26:45.000 equally important exactly for management tools. And so I believe 1:26:45.160 --> 1:26:49.280 that in the broader spectrum of North American hunting, bear 1:26:49.400 --> 1:26:53.800 hunting and predator hunting specifically is important because it is 1:26:54.000 --> 1:26:57.960 the entry point for the anti hunting community to come 1:26:58.000 --> 1:27:01.439 into ourselves. Was proven in the trapp fiasco of the 1:27:01.960 --> 1:27:06.160 of the nineteen sixties when they would manufacture photos of 1:27:06.240 --> 1:27:08.760 a dead raccoon they find on the road that's half 1:27:09.160 --> 1:27:12.560 you know, deteriorated. Then they clamp a foothold trap on 1:27:12.680 --> 1:27:15.040 it and claim that trapping is cruel. And because the 1:27:15.080 --> 1:27:17.920 trappers were isolated, that's that cannibalism and in breeding men 1:27:17.960 --> 1:27:20.639 talk about. Nobody from the hunting or the gun industry 1:27:21.040 --> 1:27:23.559 came to the defense of the trappers. I immediately training 1:27:23.600 --> 1:27:26.880 the National Trappers Lal, and you'll notice, Clay Nuclem that 1:27:27.040 --> 1:27:31.840 you in my thousands upon thousands of interviews promoting conservation, 1:27:32.000 --> 1:27:35.479 I and I think I alone, have always said hunting, fishing, 1:27:35.520 --> 1:27:40.320 and trapping critical management tools for healthy balance. If you 1:27:40.400 --> 1:27:43.759 want quality wildlife and quality air, soil and water production 1:27:44.000 --> 1:27:48.240 from a balanced managed habitat, so trapping is critical because 1:27:48.280 --> 1:27:51.200 it's it's the number one your entry level for the 1:27:51.680 --> 1:27:55.760 the dishonesty and the anti nature, anti hunting people. You're 1:27:55.760 --> 1:27:59.880 absolutely correct well, and and so inside the hunting space, 1:28:00.280 --> 1:28:03.320 what we're doing a Baronning magazine is trying to educate 1:28:03.439 --> 1:28:06.760 people that aren't bear hunters, that don't understand some of 1:28:06.800 --> 1:28:09.519 the management tools that we use, like dogs, like bait, 1:28:09.880 --> 1:28:12.680 like we need those and to bring unity so that 1:28:12.840 --> 1:28:16.320 we can have those guys that love hunting, that love 1:28:16.400 --> 1:28:20.559 North American hunting come to our aid as the anti 1:28:20.640 --> 1:28:25.000 hunting community tries to incrementally knock off pieces, I mean, 1:28:25.080 --> 1:28:26.840 just like they do in Michigan, just like they do 1:28:27.040 --> 1:28:29.519 anywhere there's a hound season. And so we have this 1:28:29.600 --> 1:28:32.600 hashtag guard the Gate, which guard the Gate means that 1:28:32.800 --> 1:28:36.720 we have to unify. Like so even if you're not 1:28:36.800 --> 1:28:38.080 at the whole point is even if you're not a 1:28:38.160 --> 1:28:40.479 bear hunter, Like there's guys that will never that will 1:28:40.560 --> 1:28:43.519 never hunt a bear over bait, they'll never hunt with dogs. 1:28:43.960 --> 1:28:47.240 But if they love North American hunting, if they love conservation, 1:28:47.520 --> 1:28:49.960 they need to come in and to at least give 1:28:50.080 --> 1:28:53.720 vocal support and not tear down things that maybe they 1:28:53.760 --> 1:28:56.960 don't understand. So anyway, guard the Gate. You know, we're 1:28:57.000 --> 1:29:00.839 trying to We're trying to recruit the help through education, 1:29:00.960 --> 1:29:04.000 Like because man, we we nerd out about biting bears. 1:29:04.400 --> 1:29:07.600 We nerd out about hounds, and we're introducing it to 1:29:07.680 --> 1:29:11.479 a bunch of people that would hunters that would have 1:29:12.720 --> 1:29:15.479 no exposure to it not understand it and think that 1:29:15.880 --> 1:29:19.000 it was negative. And it's working. It's working well that 1:29:19.080 --> 1:29:23.479 you've witnessed. And if there's a battle cry, guard the gate. Hello, 1:29:24.640 --> 1:29:27.479 that's what I've been doing my whole life. And I 1:29:27.840 --> 1:29:30.479 I saw right away because I've always trapped. I always 1:29:30.520 --> 1:29:32.680 ran a trap line. I'm not a professional trapper, but 1:29:32.800 --> 1:29:36.280 I started with you know, muskrats and beavers and coons 1:29:36.320 --> 1:29:39.120 and possums and skunks, and I fascinated when you approach 1:29:39.200 --> 1:29:41.080 that trap to just said it right, what do you got? 1:29:41.120 --> 1:29:44.920 It's it's one of the greatest hunting, wildlife management, exciting 1:29:45.120 --> 1:29:48.400 fun techniques that you can indulge in. So yes, uh, 1:29:48.720 --> 1:29:51.240 I would like to think that in my experience, I'm 1:29:51.280 --> 1:29:56.000 sure I'm sure yours reflects this. That most hunters that 1:29:56.240 --> 1:29:59.160 don't hunt over bait for anything, whether there's lions or 1:29:59.240 --> 1:30:02.400 bears or do or ducks. By the way, when you 1:30:02.520 --> 1:30:05.360 hunt over bait with ducks, the government allows you to 1:30:05.400 --> 1:30:08.920 hunt a flooded cornfield, but don't spill a colonel. That's 1:30:09.000 --> 1:30:11.080 like that kind of things they've talking about. It's not 1:30:11.600 --> 1:30:13.760 can I shoot six ducks or can't I just shut 1:30:13.840 --> 1:30:18.000 up and leave me alone. Anyhow, bear hunting hounds and 1:30:18.240 --> 1:30:23.479 bait and expanded opportunities are one of my main battle cries. 1:30:23.600 --> 1:30:26.400 Because I don't know if you follow me closely or not. 1:30:26.520 --> 1:30:29.000 But you know why there's a bear season in New Jersey. 1:30:29.680 --> 1:30:33.160 You know who lobbied the legislator and the Game department, 1:30:34.360 --> 1:30:36.720 Your old buddy, Ted Nugent. I. I did that with 1:30:36.800 --> 1:30:38.920 a bunch of New Jersey buddies of mine. And again, 1:30:39.080 --> 1:30:41.920 what was the biggest voice against US hunters that think 1:30:42.000 --> 1:30:44.040 it's unfair to anybody can put out a door and 1:30:44.040 --> 1:30:48.280 shot the bear. Well, show me now that but you 1:30:48.320 --> 1:30:50.320 can't even use the donor I can't. You can't now 1:30:50.880 --> 1:30:53.760 because we kept pushing so and then the Pennsylvania the 1:30:53.880 --> 1:30:57.280 one day bear season I just hammered and hammered against. 1:30:57.320 --> 1:30:59.000 That's not a hunting trip. That's I don't know what 1:30:59.120 --> 1:31:05.240 that is, but it's not a hunt. Um so yes, absolutely, 1:31:05.360 --> 1:31:10.080 And where I promise you this, wherever a stupid hunting 1:31:10.160 --> 1:31:12.840 law has been gotten rid of or a better law 1:31:12.880 --> 1:31:16.760 has gone in, I have a footprint there, I all 1:31:16.880 --> 1:31:21.360 fifty states, every Canadian province up in Scotland hunting the 1:31:21.520 --> 1:31:26.879 Red Stagg in Inverness. So yes, I've always been a fighter, 1:31:27.080 --> 1:31:29.880 not just an advocate. I don't not like, I don't 1:31:29.920 --> 1:31:34.600 mention his name. One of the biggest powerful celebrities on 1:31:34.760 --> 1:31:38.880 planet Earth lives to hunt. Not a word out of 1:31:39.000 --> 1:31:44.040 him because well, I'm on it shows me hunting. Sometimes 1:31:44.120 --> 1:31:46.760 that's not it Isn't that good enough? Man? People in 1:31:46.800 --> 1:31:49.880 your Hollywood community hate what we do, and you have 1:31:49.960 --> 1:31:52.519 an opportunity to educate him. Tell them how fulfilling and 1:31:52.640 --> 1:31:55.479 how important it isn't balancing the hers so they're an 1:31:55.479 --> 1:31:57.840 asset instead of a liability thanks to the U. S 1:31:57.920 --> 1:32:02.080 d A and they the game departments. So yes, um 1:32:02.560 --> 1:32:08.280 hounds in bait. The Colorado thing is California just vulgar 1:32:08.880 --> 1:32:11.599 the anti hunting laws and what's worst of them all, 1:32:11.720 --> 1:32:14.439 Just like Jack Schmidt, there's a whole bunch of game 1:32:14.520 --> 1:32:17.320 wardens and game agencies out there that qualify as no 1:32:17.479 --> 1:32:20.240 soul and no conscious because they enforced laws that they 1:32:20.320 --> 1:32:25.160 know are against nature. You can't not hunt bears in 1:32:25.280 --> 1:32:28.400 California over hounds in bait, but then authorized tax dollars 1:32:28.600 --> 1:32:30.160 to go for a guy to clean up your mess 1:32:30.240 --> 1:32:34.880 for you because you didn't add adequately harvested reno Lake Taho. 1:32:35.840 --> 1:32:39.200 You're aware of all these frontline battles, so I raised 1:32:39.240 --> 1:32:41.519 hell all I can. And then they go at Nugent's 1:32:41.560 --> 1:32:43.400 a coward, he's up in a tree, and or he's 1:32:43.600 --> 1:32:45.639 got the hounds. Anybody can shoot a bear over hound. 1:32:46.000 --> 1:32:49.040 I'll give you five years, five years from now, you 1:32:49.160 --> 1:32:51.000 come back and tell me how many bears you hunted 1:32:51.040 --> 1:32:54.640 over house. Nothing to you. Clime the mountain, climb the 1:32:54.720 --> 1:33:01.160 mountain and said, breast stroke through that, Marsh. I know, uh, Ted. 1:33:01.240 --> 1:33:05.080 I appreciate your appreciate your boldness. I appreciate the strength 1:33:05.160 --> 1:33:07.680 of identity that you have. I've always appreciated people that 1:33:07.760 --> 1:33:12.560 knew who they were, that had a super strong internal constitution, 1:33:13.000 --> 1:33:17.720 conscience and uh and uh and then that's that's what 1:33:17.800 --> 1:33:22.640 I've always valued about you and your your Yeah, I 1:33:22.960 --> 1:33:26.000 can't thank you enough for for us come over here 1:33:26.120 --> 1:33:30.880 to the culture. War started against hunting and then came 1:33:31.080 --> 1:33:34.160 well and and part of that was anti trapping, and 1:33:34.240 --> 1:33:36.599 they succeeded and within a year they had to hire 1:33:36.640 --> 1:33:38.320 people to go to kill the beavers that were flooding 1:33:38.320 --> 1:33:40.800 all the driveways and all the golf courses. But nobody 1:33:40.880 --> 1:33:42.760 promoted that didn't hear the story and outdoor lay for 1:33:42.840 --> 1:33:45.360 field or stream or sports the field. He didn't hear 1:33:45.400 --> 1:33:47.040 at the Pope and Young banquet, or at the Boone 1:33:47.040 --> 1:33:49.080 and Crockett banquet, or the Ducks and a limited banquet, 1:33:49.160 --> 1:33:51.960 or the finals or anybody they were. There's a lot 1:33:52.040 --> 1:33:54.439 of inbreeding going on where it. As long as I 1:33:54.520 --> 1:33:56.040 get my dollar for the ducks, I don't want to 1:33:56.040 --> 1:33:58.320 get involved with that. Gun rights, well then you're not 1:33:58.479 --> 1:34:01.760 my friend. And you can't duck hunt without guns. And 1:34:01.840 --> 1:34:03.519 why do we have a three shell limit that was 1:34:03.600 --> 1:34:07.519 implemented in seven during the dust ball? Why can't I 1:34:07.560 --> 1:34:10.160 shoot two pheasants but have five shells, but six ducks 1:34:10.160 --> 1:34:13.120 don't have three shells? Well, we don't want skybusting with 1:34:13.240 --> 1:34:18.840 the sky busting with three shells. See if there's a 1:34:18.920 --> 1:34:22.519 lot of these issues that are are so called leadership 1:34:22.760 --> 1:34:25.640 is scared to death to address because they might be 1:34:25.720 --> 1:34:27.559 called an ethico WHOA why would you need more than 1:34:27.640 --> 1:34:31.760 three shells? Are you a game hog? If you can't 1:34:31.840 --> 1:34:35.600 CounterPunch that nonsense, then you're not the leader of anything. 1:34:36.240 --> 1:34:38.920 And so I've seen the failure of our own guys 1:34:39.439 --> 1:34:43.479 step forward with all these regulations that have destroyed the 1:34:43.560 --> 1:34:47.560 hunting culture. And I'm telling you the heartbreaking stories I 1:34:47.680 --> 1:34:51.920 hear all the time. I was busted because I forgot 1:34:51.960 --> 1:34:54.040 to put my plug in the gun. I only had 1:34:54.120 --> 1:34:58.600 three ducks. Mr game Warden, is this about wildlife management? 1:34:59.200 --> 1:35:02.000 He shut three ducks, He had a shell out of 1:35:02.080 --> 1:35:04.200 his gun. There was a law in nineteen thirty seven. 1:35:05.280 --> 1:35:07.720 I want instead of giving him a ticket, go to 1:35:07.800 --> 1:35:11.479 your boss and say change the law. I need to 1:35:11.479 --> 1:35:13.519 shoot six ducks and I might only go a couple 1:35:13.560 --> 1:35:18.840 of weekends a year. Leave me alone. Let me spend 1:35:18.880 --> 1:35:22.920 the money on food, lodging, hotels, grocery supplies, tax nermus ice, 1:35:24.400 --> 1:35:29.479 gas licenses, shotgun shell Let me spend my money instead 1:35:29.520 --> 1:35:33.840 of going no, you're you're had. I snuck a fourth 1:35:33.880 --> 1:35:38.160 shell in your gun? What is that? And I know 1:35:38.320 --> 1:35:41.479 you thought that Chris Brackett example, that was a major offense. 1:35:41.800 --> 1:35:45.120 I want you to learn it's not a major offense. 1:35:45.160 --> 1:35:47.080 I can I started giving you a list of major 1:35:47.120 --> 1:35:49.920 offenses and shooting in a duck with four shells in 1:35:50.000 --> 1:35:55.240 your gun ain't one of turned it into that they 1:35:55.439 --> 1:35:59.800 brainwashed us that that shooting a I don't know you. 1:36:00.160 --> 1:36:05.200 In Pennsylvania, it's a felony to illegally shoot a deer, 1:36:05.760 --> 1:36:12.200 the same as molesting a child who doesn't see the difference. 1:36:12.640 --> 1:36:15.439 And plus what what is the everybody in Pennsylvania want 1:36:15.720 --> 1:36:20.760 more deer killed. I'm with you. So that is a 1:36:20.960 --> 1:36:26.880 bold leap out of the status quo mentality that we're 1:36:26.920 --> 1:36:29.639 scared of our own shadow or your own ethical news 1:36:29.680 --> 1:36:32.840 on ethical uses bait. He's on ethical. He killed more 1:36:33.040 --> 1:36:37.839 deer than I did last year. Shut the I'm ethical. 1:36:38.479 --> 1:36:40.599 I'm doing the good thing. Everything I do is based 1:36:40.640 --> 1:36:44.240 on science. I know my habitat carrying capacity. I know 1:36:44.320 --> 1:36:46.880 many fonds there are. I know mo much land I got. 1:36:46.920 --> 1:36:48.920 I know what happens in January and February. I need 1:36:48.960 --> 1:36:51.720 to kill some deer. Shut up and have a backstrap 1:36:53.800 --> 1:36:56.759 right on. So thank you for pursuing this. I appreciate 1:36:56.880 --> 1:37:00.560 it because I I think getting the word, getting a 1:37:00.720 --> 1:37:07.919 sensible word, questioning status quo, questioning tradition because the tradition 1:37:08.160 --> 1:37:12.320 has been bastardized. It isn't the tradition I was raised with. 1:37:12.920 --> 1:37:15.880 November fifteenth, I got a license. I got a tag, 1:37:15.960 --> 1:37:19.559 and I got it. Not six leave me alone? Shoot 1:37:19.560 --> 1:37:22.400 a deer? Is it over eight corns? It is over 1:37:22.439 --> 1:37:25.280 the spilled where the combine turned? Or did I put 1:37:25.360 --> 1:37:30.200 the apples there? They eat apples. If I move the apples, 1:37:30.439 --> 1:37:35.920 it doesn't cause disease. It's apples. But it's against the law. Yeah, 1:37:36.040 --> 1:37:38.800 it's nuts. So I can tell you stories about kids 1:37:38.880 --> 1:37:41.479 that quit the sport because they got caught moving apples. 1:37:43.760 --> 1:37:48.120 What is that? What is that? So thank you for 1:37:48.200 --> 1:37:50.880 what you do. God, bless the mighty spirit of the bear. 1:37:51.760 --> 1:37:55.439 And I will hunt forever. I just want to go 1:37:55.600 --> 1:37:57.640 hunt and it makes me feel so good. I just 1:37:57.760 --> 1:37:59.439 want to go hunt and try to find me in 1:37:59.520 --> 1:38:04.800 the woods. Baby. That's right, thanks to Ton teds Wild 1:38:04.840 --> 1:38:06.640 because that's where the bears. That's the and you know, 1:38:06.800 --> 1:38:08.920 the ultimate what I've turned most heads with. I don't 1:38:08.920 --> 1:38:10.519 know if you heard my Joe Rogan three and a 1:38:10.520 --> 1:38:15.400 half hour podcast, world record, world record podcast. Um, you know, 1:38:15.439 --> 1:38:19.559 because he's gotten into hunting recently, and uh he's talking 1:38:19.600 --> 1:38:21.680 about the vegans and they you know, they have a 1:38:21.760 --> 1:38:24.040 they have a foundation of there. As long as they 1:38:24.080 --> 1:38:26.000 don't eat meating, I won't no, they don't. And I 1:38:26.080 --> 1:38:28.479 explained to him, and here you could see him for 1:38:28.800 --> 1:38:31.479 his brow and tilt his head. As I'm explained, I go, 1:38:32.400 --> 1:38:33.800 you know how you get to a food, don't you? 1:38:34.240 --> 1:38:36.880 You know why crows and seagulls follow the tractor, don't you. 1:38:37.560 --> 1:38:42.519 The farmer's killing everything. He's dismembering everything, every shrew, every vol, 1:38:42.600 --> 1:38:45.439 every go for, every song bird, every quail, every pheasant, 1:38:45.479 --> 1:38:49.120 every egg, every turtle, every mouse, He's killed them all. 1:38:49.160 --> 1:38:52.360 They're the birds are following to eat the dismembered animals 1:38:52.680 --> 1:38:59.040 that he's slaughtered by the trillions for your salad. And 1:38:59.120 --> 1:39:00.840 then you have a glass of wine and an animal 1:39:00.920 --> 1:39:03.840 rights protest. Have you ever met a vineyard operator? You 1:39:03.920 --> 1:39:10.040 know what they kill to save those grapes. Everything. They 1:39:10.120 --> 1:39:14.360 have a poison drip for coons and possums and skunks 1:39:14.400 --> 1:39:18.120 and golfers and squirrels. They have a poison drip. You know. 1:39:18.520 --> 1:39:23.400 I heard Shane Mahoney say that if everyone in the 1:39:23.600 --> 1:39:27.960 United States went vegan, they would have to turn a 1:39:28.200 --> 1:39:32.800 piece of ground the size of Canada into agriculture in 1:39:33.040 --> 1:39:35.640 order to feel that, and and how much wildlife with 1:39:35.720 --> 1:39:40.280 that can kill everything that's dared to enter it, and 1:39:40.400 --> 1:39:42.360 if they don't get it with the disk and the plow, 1:39:42.680 --> 1:39:45.280 they come back a week later with man Santo and 1:39:45.400 --> 1:39:48.479 anything that might have slithered back on three legs is 1:39:48.520 --> 1:39:53.040 gonna be poisoned to death for your tofu salad. And 1:39:53.960 --> 1:39:57.200 Joe actually said, he goes, I never thought of it 1:39:57.320 --> 1:39:59.880 that way. Wait, that's why I'm here. And by the way, 1:40:00.360 --> 1:40:05.320 the sunami on my Facebook and through my office of 1:40:05.400 --> 1:40:08.400 people that went I used to hate you because you 1:40:08.479 --> 1:40:12.400 were coward and killed innocent animals. I listened to Joe 1:40:12.560 --> 1:40:16.880 Rogan and you completely woke me up. Change my mind 1:40:17.080 --> 1:40:19.479 because I can't deny it. I can't deny the disc 1:40:19.560 --> 1:40:24.000 didn't dismember anything. I can't deny that plow didn't dismember anything. 1:40:24.479 --> 1:40:28.519 I can't deny that man Sano didn't poison anything. Duh. 1:40:28.800 --> 1:40:32.200 So I think I really believe I've been I'm on 1:40:32.280 --> 1:40:35.800 a mission of God. I see political correctness and the 1:40:35.920 --> 1:40:42.599 denial of the urbanization of wild ground and the denial 1:40:43.000 --> 1:40:48.360 that it creates and nurtures. And I've been a I've 1:40:48.439 --> 1:40:54.280 been a big giant rock of reality and people suit 1:40:54.439 --> 1:41:00.840 that Gary getting splashed with inescapable truisms science. So I'll 1:41:00.840 --> 1:41:02.880 stand here, but I'm a I'm a keeper of the gate, 1:41:03.680 --> 1:41:05.240 keeper of the gate. Thank you, and thank you for 1:41:05.600 --> 1:41:08.240 making this long trip. But yeah, you gotta hear Fred Bearer. 1:41:08.360 --> 1:41:12.320 That's right, don't you. Yeah, you've got the energy for it. 1:41:12.360 --> 1:41:18.479 In the time you think, all right, the song, what 1:41:18.680 --> 1:41:22.280 year do you write this? Well? What a story? So 1:41:22.360 --> 1:41:25.679 I met Fred about nineteen fifty four, nineteen fifty five 1:41:25.800 --> 1:41:27.599 on our angel trip nor Yeah, you were just six 1:41:27.640 --> 1:41:33.640 seven years old. And he wasn't anybody. He just had 1:41:33.640 --> 1:41:37.360 a little shock, said bar archery over the top. Literally, 1:41:37.479 --> 1:41:41.120 it was kind of a yellowish cinder block shock. The 1:41:41.200 --> 1:41:44.200 buildings still up there, I don't think so, huh. And 1:41:44.280 --> 1:41:46.880 it wasn't greatly And my dad, you know, it's just 1:41:46.920 --> 1:41:49.719 just like, yeah, we'll stop at the Fred Bear shack. 1:41:50.280 --> 1:41:52.519 And we stopped and meet this tall, lanky guy. Every year. 1:41:52.960 --> 1:41:56.479 What what a story? And if I was already a 1:41:56.760 --> 1:41:59.920 bow and arrow maniac kid, and my whole life was 1:42:00.120 --> 1:42:02.599 bows and arrows and guitars every day down to the river, 1:42:03.280 --> 1:42:08.240 shooting critters and shooting stumps and clumps of dirt and 1:42:08.400 --> 1:42:11.600 going to Miller's feed store and smelling the grain and 1:42:11.680 --> 1:42:17.200 the beautiful new artistic recurves on the wall over the years. 1:42:17.560 --> 1:42:19.559 And then I started realizing, I'm stopping at this place, 1:42:19.560 --> 1:42:21.360 and that's Fred Barry. He's on the cover of True 1:42:21.400 --> 1:42:24.639 magazine with a grizzly bear. Wow, it's quite a bow. 1:42:24.720 --> 1:42:26.599 And he has like the Chuck Berry of archery man. 1:42:27.439 --> 1:42:30.559 So I started becoming a little giddy, and I couldn't 1:42:30.600 --> 1:42:32.599 wait to get up there. And Fred was so kind, 1:42:32.760 --> 1:42:37.040 such a gentleman, such a loving, funny guy. And we'd 1:42:37.080 --> 1:42:39.880 go to the grailing restaurant. He'd ordered cherry pie and 1:42:39.960 --> 1:42:42.080 chocolate milk, and I'd have cherry pie chocolate milk and 1:42:42.080 --> 1:42:43.560 were able to you know, I was too young to 1:42:43.640 --> 1:42:48.600 really engage in any meaningful dialogue, but I was. And 1:42:48.680 --> 1:42:51.720 then eventually my dad, who ended up working for a 1:42:51.760 --> 1:42:54.880 sweetish steel company, you know, worked with Fred because we 1:42:54.920 --> 1:42:57.960 stopped you they were friends, and my dad ended up 1:42:58.000 --> 1:43:00.360 in a way working for Bear Archery Produce. Seen the 1:43:00.439 --> 1:43:04.080 Cold Road blue tempered spring steel that went into the 1:43:04.160 --> 1:43:08.080 bare bleeder blade of the razorhead. What a great thing, huh, 1:43:08.439 --> 1:43:10.840 What a great connection. So I couldn't wait to go 1:43:11.120 --> 1:43:15.840 north to see Fred more than even bow hunting, and 1:43:16.479 --> 1:43:18.760 I was not a very good bow hunter when it 1:43:18.840 --> 1:43:20.800 came to deer, but I was pretty deadly on the 1:43:20.880 --> 1:43:25.439 river rats. And so eventually when I moved to Chicago, 1:43:26.200 --> 1:43:30.000 uh my dad was transferred in sixty five, so st 1:43:30.280 --> 1:43:32.800 and sixty six in Chicago. I graduated six or seven, 1:43:32.880 --> 1:43:35.400 came right back to Michigan with the amboy Dukes, and 1:43:35.680 --> 1:43:37.880 I went up to Grain and now it's not a shock. 1:43:37.960 --> 1:43:40.719 It's the biggest archery company on the planet, this huge museum, 1:43:41.000 --> 1:43:42.479 and I couldn't wait to get back up that. I 1:43:42.560 --> 1:43:45.680 reintroduced myself and I'm a long haired rock and roller now. 1:43:45.760 --> 1:43:48.800 And Fred was a little office, you know, because there's 1:43:49.439 --> 1:43:52.000 a perceived image that's looking right behind you. Look at that. 1:43:52.040 --> 1:43:54.000 Where do we go runner? Oh wow, he's right on 1:43:54.040 --> 1:43:56.200 the right in the porch, right on the porch. And 1:43:56.439 --> 1:43:59.240 uh so I had to kind of reconvinced Fred that 1:43:59.280 --> 1:44:01.680 I was okay, because he thought rocket roll dope and 1:44:01.800 --> 1:44:04.919 drugs and goofballs. But he told me in a subsequent 1:44:05.000 --> 1:44:07.040 meeting that all his buddy says, no, no, no, This 1:44:07.240 --> 1:44:09.760 nugent guy shoots his bow and arrow on stage and 1:44:09.880 --> 1:44:12.840 he's always raving about clean and sober, and he's pro 1:44:13.040 --> 1:44:15.360 law enforcement. When the hippies want to off the pigs, 1:44:15.560 --> 1:44:17.600 he goes, you gotta this guy's all right. And he 1:44:18.160 --> 1:44:21.639 always promotes the mystical flight of the arrow. He talks 1:44:21.680 --> 1:44:24.880 about it in Rocket Roll interviews. And so Fred mentioned 1:44:25.000 --> 1:44:27.680 that he heard that long story short. So I hunt 1:44:27.760 --> 1:44:30.280 with him every year, couldn't wait to get up there 1:44:30.640 --> 1:44:34.519 to Rose City at Grouse Haven, and uh in sixty 1:44:34.600 --> 1:44:37.240 and eight seven I was up there with him and 1:44:37.280 --> 1:44:41.160 all his reps were there, the bar archery people, and 1:44:41.360 --> 1:44:43.280 we went for walks when everybody else went hunt and 1:44:43.320 --> 1:44:46.720 Fred didn't hunt those last couple of years. Um. And 1:44:46.800 --> 1:44:48.920 he had the oxygen bottle with him everywhere, and we 1:44:48.960 --> 1:44:51.160 went for walks down the lane at Grouse Haven. We're 1:44:51.200 --> 1:44:54.439 just talking and talking, and he shared with me Clay 1:44:54.800 --> 1:44:56.320 that he said, you know, I go to all these 1:44:56.400 --> 1:44:59.640 sporting events and they all know that. Uh, you know, 1:44:59.800 --> 1:45:03.439 I started bar archery in Michigan, and anybody under forty, 1:45:03.479 --> 1:45:05.559 all they want to know is if I know Ted Doogon, 1:45:06.080 --> 1:45:09.599 Because I had trying to brought visibility to bone arrow 1:45:09.640 --> 1:45:12.800 with flaming arrows on stage. Crazy antics and stuff. But 1:45:13.280 --> 1:45:15.320 you're gonna promote something, That's how you do it, I think, 1:45:15.600 --> 1:45:20.800 And and then always talking about my hunting trips and 1:45:21.040 --> 1:45:23.760 backstraps and and so he said, you just keep what 1:45:23.840 --> 1:45:25.960 you're doing. And he says, I've also heard the critics. 1:45:26.080 --> 1:45:28.920 People thought you made a mistake by saying whack him 1:45:28.960 --> 1:45:31.320 and stack them. But what does that mean, kill him 1:45:31.360 --> 1:45:35.000 and butcher them? Or semantics? He goes to young people, 1:45:35.600 --> 1:45:38.040 that turns them on. It shows that you're having fun. 1:45:38.680 --> 1:45:40.600 What's wrong with whack and stack? How about if I 1:45:40.680 --> 1:45:44.320 just harvest in skin? What what the hell's the difference? 1:45:44.760 --> 1:45:47.160 But you you go ahead and be uh, you go 1:45:47.240 --> 1:45:51.920 ahead and be uh um uh Wayne Newton, I'll be 1:45:52.080 --> 1:45:56.200 Chuck berry um. And so we spent that last October 1:45:56.280 --> 1:45:59.800 together for about a week, and then the next spring 1:45:59.840 --> 1:46:03.759 he died and I went out to do my chores 1:46:03.840 --> 1:46:08.120 one day, and we're all shattered at his death. It 1:46:08.280 --> 1:46:11.800 was just it was just unbelievable because he made such 1:46:11.840 --> 1:46:15.320 an imprint on everybody. He's a great, great man. Did 1:46:15.360 --> 1:46:18.040 you ever meet him? Well, you're going to meet him 1:46:18.120 --> 1:46:21.559 right now. And so I went out to do my chores. 1:46:22.040 --> 1:46:28.960 I had my dog, biscuits, my Irish setters porch. I 1:46:29.000 --> 1:46:30.560 went and I grabbed the guitar, and I just I 1:46:30.600 --> 1:46:33.000 didn't know. I had no idea, I wasn't thinking of Fred. 1:46:33.960 --> 1:46:40.080 I just sat down, I went I always played killer 1:46:40.120 --> 1:46:42.320 licks when I picked up the guitar, but I never 1:46:42.360 --> 1:46:50.920 played one like this before. There I was back in 1:46:51.160 --> 1:46:57.320 a while again, and I felt right at home where 1:46:57.400 --> 1:47:05.360 I belong. And I had that feeling coming over me again, 1:47:07.880 --> 1:47:14.879 just like it happened so many times before, so many times. 1:47:27.800 --> 1:47:30.840 The spirit of the woods, he is like an old 1:47:30.960 --> 1:47:40.960 good friend, makes me feel warm and good inside. I 1:47:41.200 --> 1:47:47.759 know his name. It's good to see him again because 1:47:47.840 --> 1:47:53.840 in the wind he's still a live talking about Fred Bear. 1:47:54.560 --> 1:48:00.400 Walk with me down the trails again and take me back, 1:48:01.200 --> 1:48:08.759 take me back. I've a long Fred Bear. I'm glad 1:48:08.880 --> 1:48:13.120 to have you with my side, my friend, and I 1:48:13.200 --> 1:48:17.120 will join you on the big hunt before too long. 1:48:22.400 --> 1:48:37.400 M h. And it was kind of dark, another misty dusk, 1:48:40.360 --> 1:48:46.479 and it came from a tangle down below. And I tried. 1:48:47.200 --> 1:48:51.200 I tried to remember everything he taught me so well. 1:48:53.960 --> 1:49:01.200 I had to decide which way to go. Was I 1:49:01.280 --> 1:49:08.040 alone or in a hunter's dream? The moment of truth 1:49:08.840 --> 1:49:15.920 is here, and now I felt his touch, I felt 1:49:16.120 --> 1:49:22.200 his guide in hand, and the buckar was mine for 1:49:22.520 --> 1:49:29.519 evermore because of Fred Bear. I still walk down those 1:49:29.680 --> 1:49:35.400 trails again. He takes me back, takes me back. I 1:49:35.880 --> 1:49:42.160 be long, fred Fred Bear. I'm glad to have you 1:49:42.360 --> 1:49:47.240 in beside, my friend, and I will join you on 1:49:47.560 --> 1:50:32.400 the big hunt before too long. And we're not alone 1:50:33.200 --> 1:50:39.200 when we're in the great outdoors. We got his spirit, 1:50:39.680 --> 1:50:47.280 we got his soul, and he GUIDs my steps. Guid's 1:50:47.400 --> 1:50:56.160 my arrows home. The restless spirit for ever roams, and 1:50:56.320 --> 1:51:00.760 it roams with Fred Bear. When I walk down those 1:51:00.880 --> 1:51:07.719 trails again, he takes me back, takes me back. I belong, 1:51:10.560 --> 1:51:14.799 fred Bear. I'm glad to have you with my side, 1:51:15.040 --> 1:51:19.639 my friend, and I will join you on the big 1:51:19.800 --> 1:51:26.439 hunt before too long. Because in the wind, he's still 1:51:27.160 --> 1:51:37.880 alive in the wind, He's still alive in the wind. 1:51:40.360 --> 1:51:48.640 I can hear. I hear Fred Bear. I hear you, 1:51:48.760 --> 1:51:54.600 fred Hey, fred Let's go hunt, buddy, Calm, you go 1:51:54.720 --> 1:51:58.719 up that ridge. I'll go down to the swamp. Baby, 1:52:01.040 --> 1:52:45.840 give that book right on. I this bump, I sang it. 1:52:47.560 --> 1:52:50.920 I sang it. Then I had to go back and 1:52:51.040 --> 1:52:53.600 remember what I sang. And I never played any of 1:52:53.640 --> 1:53:00.719 that great lick So that's that spirit of the wild 1:53:00.800 --> 1:53:06.240 I do believe and that song you you you can 1:53:06.360 --> 1:53:11.400 only imagine what people have said about this song, feuding 1:53:11.640 --> 1:53:14.439 families that heard it in different parts of the country 1:53:14.520 --> 1:53:19.400 that got back together. Chris Campbell of the United States 1:53:19.560 --> 1:53:23.599 Navy Seals, whose last request was for me to play 1:53:23.640 --> 1:53:27.960 it at his funeral, and I was all set to 1:53:28.040 --> 1:53:30.040 go do it at the request of Marcus the trial, 1:53:30.880 --> 1:53:36.440 Barack Obama told me I couldn't come. M and thousands 1:53:37.160 --> 1:53:41.559 of people, especially these kids. If you go to my face, 1:53:41.880 --> 1:53:43.240 you gotta go to my faith. You want to know 1:53:43.280 --> 1:53:44.680 what the hunting world thinks. You want to know what 1:53:44.760 --> 1:53:47.320 the non hunting world thinks. My Facebook. It's the only 1:53:47.360 --> 1:53:50.320 place you're gonna find out. Yeah, three and a half 1:53:50.400 --> 1:53:52.479 three point seven million. I just did an interview I 1:53:52.560 --> 1:53:58.000 had before November. I had between eighteen million and thirty 1:53:58.080 --> 1:54:04.120 six million Facebook reach every day, thirty six million after 1:54:04.160 --> 1:54:11.480 the election, three point seven Google Boys, Zuckerburger's sensors, Marxists. 1:54:12.200 --> 1:54:14.519 But still with all those three point seven go to 1:54:14.640 --> 1:54:18.519 my Facebook and listen to the wonderfully supportive comments. I 1:54:18.560 --> 1:54:20.240 don't hunt, but I think it's great. I wish I 1:54:20.320 --> 1:54:22.400 could get some venit. You know, I'm a hunter, but 1:54:22.479 --> 1:54:24.160 I never bow hunter? How do I do? What kind 1:54:24.200 --> 1:54:27.080 of what do I get? It's unbelievable. It's to me, 1:54:27.200 --> 1:54:32.920 it's like, yeah, baby, recruit retain. You know there's a 1:54:33.040 --> 1:54:35.440 there's a verse in that song where it says, I'll 1:54:35.520 --> 1:54:38.440 join you in the big hunt before too long. Verse. 1:54:39.160 --> 1:54:42.120 Does a seventy two year old Ted Nugent think about 1:54:42.760 --> 1:54:47.360 think about death very rarely, only in perspective of my family, 1:54:47.760 --> 1:54:51.240 because my kids the showering me with love, and every 1:54:51.320 --> 1:54:53.760 year I see an increase in showering of love because 1:54:53.800 --> 1:54:55.880 they know that there's a lot of guys my age dying. 1:54:56.760 --> 1:55:00.400 But I'm so focused on living and I take really 1:55:00.440 --> 1:55:02.360 good care of myself. But you never know. Lightning can 1:55:02.400 --> 1:55:06.480 strike in any various fashion, whether it's Chinese communist viruses 1:55:07.040 --> 1:55:09.560 or some dirtbag drunk driver that's been let out after 1:55:09.680 --> 1:55:13.320 twenty times. Um though I'll probably Dodgeman then shoot him. 1:55:13.880 --> 1:55:20.080 Uh so. So I I'm well aware of mortality because 1:55:20.080 --> 1:55:22.320 I think it's a pistor because we're building a house, 1:55:22.400 --> 1:55:24.680 so I have at least I'm seventy two. I want 1:55:24.680 --> 1:55:26.160 to live to at least be a hundred, so I 1:55:26.240 --> 1:55:29.360 got like twenty five more opening days to go. Because 1:55:29.360 --> 1:55:31.480 I'm managing my deer, and every year I pass up 1:55:31.520 --> 1:55:34.000 these button bucks, and because I have so much unlimited 1:55:34.040 --> 1:55:36.280 time to hunt, I can pass up three year old 1:55:36.320 --> 1:55:39.640 one thirties not easy for an old Detroit bow hunter. 1:55:40.120 --> 1:55:43.280 But since I have so many opportunities, I wait for 1:55:43.360 --> 1:55:45.440 older deer. Most of the time I might see a 1:55:45.520 --> 1:55:48.839 squirrely one that's young that I think is an inferior genetic. 1:55:49.480 --> 1:55:53.160 We're talking open ground, not just my my, my exotic 1:55:53.400 --> 1:55:55.640 wildlife ranch. Here. By the way, I gotta comment on that, 1:55:55.720 --> 1:55:58.920 because that's the that's the impetus of a lot of 1:55:59.040 --> 1:56:03.960 hate out there. H Fence hunting facts, A guy who 1:56:04.200 --> 1:56:09.200 lives this stuff and understands Manistee National Force, the Sudan Wild, 1:56:09.360 --> 1:56:15.040 Kansas Wild, California Wild, South Dakota Wild, Nebraska Wild, Texas, 1:56:15.120 --> 1:56:16.880 South Texas. Have you ever hunted white tailed deer in 1:56:16.880 --> 1:56:21.320 South Texas? Dumbest creatures that walk the earth. And if 1:56:21.360 --> 1:56:23.960 you really get frustrated and get skunk too often, find 1:56:24.000 --> 1:56:26.440 a place in South Texas and spillshop corn and you 1:56:26.480 --> 1:56:30.360 can probably kill him with a spoon. Maybe I'm exaggerating 1:56:30.360 --> 1:56:33.920 a little bit, but my point being is that the 1:56:34.000 --> 1:56:38.880 Illinois deer our hunt our way dumber than the deer 1:56:38.920 --> 1:56:43.400 I was raised on. The Michigan deer are maniac radar freaks. 1:56:44.080 --> 1:56:46.839 There'll there'll be half a mile away, and a cardinal 1:56:46.880 --> 1:56:50.680 will cause them to spook. I mean, not a bishop 1:56:50.720 --> 1:56:54.560 for a cardinal talk about a red bird. My point is, 1:56:54.640 --> 1:56:57.120 here's the facts of life. I kept journals for years. 1:56:59.760 --> 1:57:05.600 High fence deer hunting or exotic hunting. The fence plays 1:57:06.560 --> 1:57:13.000 zero role in killing an animal. Zero. My experiences bow 1:57:13.120 --> 1:57:18.440 hunting in the Manistee National Force Acre Martian, Michigan, no fences. 1:57:19.640 --> 1:57:23.520 It's the exact same thing as spirit wild ramps. Three acres, 1:57:23.600 --> 1:57:30.320 high fence, right place, right time, wind, sun patterning, some feed, 1:57:30.680 --> 1:57:33.360 some food plots and some corn and stuff like that. 1:57:33.480 --> 1:57:38.120 On occasion. If it didn't fulfill me, I wouldn't do it. 1:57:38.600 --> 1:57:41.879 I hunted the Sudan no fences. I had a Zimbabwe, 1:57:42.000 --> 1:57:45.120 no fence, of South Africa, Olympopo, no fences. I hunted 1:57:45.320 --> 1:57:50.280 Rix and Gemsbach there and I hunt him here, zero difference. 1:57:51.120 --> 1:57:55.000 Either they show up or they don't. Either they turn 1:57:55.160 --> 1:57:59.800 broadside within thirty yards or they don't. It's not like 1:58:00.080 --> 1:58:05.440 the you corner them. I'm telling you high fence hunting. 1:58:05.600 --> 1:58:08.840 I suppose there might be some words a canned hunt 1:58:08.880 --> 1:58:12.320 where they raise In fact, I I hunted a breeder operation. 1:58:12.520 --> 1:58:14.200 Did you see the spirit of the wild last couple 1:58:14.240 --> 1:58:16.280 of weeks where Shamaine and I were invited to this 1:58:16.400 --> 1:58:19.320 breeder operation with these guys that were these these genetic 1:58:19.640 --> 1:58:23.440 freak free uttertage, funny dear like props of a horror movie. 1:58:24.200 --> 1:58:28.400 Now am I a purest? Yeah? That's my guitar, that's 1:58:28.480 --> 1:58:31.960 my amp, and these are my fingers, that's my grip 1:58:32.040 --> 1:58:35.000 hand on the bow, this is my drawing hand, and 1:58:35.200 --> 1:58:37.560 this is where I need to put that arrow. That's pure. 1:58:38.480 --> 1:58:40.920 I don't care if it's my old longbow or if 1:58:40.920 --> 1:58:47.000 it's my state of the art Matthews hand draw aim release, 1:58:48.920 --> 1:58:56.120 pure pure archery, my bow hunting, a spirit wild ranch 1:58:56.560 --> 1:58:59.320 for these gems back and oh a Dad and black 1:58:59.400 --> 1:59:03.400 buck and axis and fallow and psycha and white tails 1:59:03.440 --> 1:59:11.920 and turkeys and hogs, no difference. What's so ever? Then 1:59:12.640 --> 1:59:15.760 outside the fence, In fact that my journal proved that 1:59:15.840 --> 1:59:19.080 my house, my my no fence hunting was way more 1:59:19.160 --> 1:59:25.120 productive than my high fence hunting. There's a you gotta 1:59:25.200 --> 1:59:27.560 walk further to your stag because they're here TODAYMN truck. 1:59:28.200 --> 1:59:30.240 My point, I went to a breeder operation. This old 1:59:30.280 --> 1:59:32.680 guy loves what I do. Is thanks for standing up 1:59:32.680 --> 1:59:35.840 for our constitutional law and order. I raised giant white tails. 1:59:35.840 --> 1:59:37.760 Would like to come and hunt the place I went? Well, 1:59:37.800 --> 1:59:39.560 I do not, don't really want to hunt the place 1:59:40.000 --> 1:59:42.720 if they're pen raised animals, but I'd love to see it. 1:59:42.880 --> 1:59:45.800 Even though I'm a purist. I would rather shoot a 1:59:45.920 --> 1:59:50.720 wild ten inch three by three than a guy that 1:59:50.840 --> 1:59:53.200 raised the three because it doesn't seem like deer hunting 1:59:53.240 --> 1:59:55.840 to me. It looks like a deer. Well those two things. 1:59:55.880 --> 1:59:58.080 People would get confused. I'd hear half fence and think 1:59:58.320 --> 2:00:00.200 that's what they think, but that's not what is. But 2:00:00.320 --> 2:00:02.720 we did go there, so he's gotten. He's got. You 2:00:02.840 --> 2:00:05.360 gotta think six d acres. But a lot of them 2:00:05.360 --> 2:00:09.160 are breeding pets. But it's a fascinating agriculture. Pursuits the 2:00:09.240 --> 2:00:13.320 fastest growing agricroach in the world, and again they're learning 2:00:13.520 --> 2:00:18.240 that yeah is this. It's cute and different and exciting 2:00:18.280 --> 2:00:20.680 to see that much horn show up like the stags 2:00:20.720 --> 2:00:23.400 in New Zealand that they raised for just here mass 2:00:24.480 --> 2:00:26.200 But I had to tell you. We went there and 2:00:26.280 --> 2:00:27.840 I did a show. I wish you would have seen 2:00:27.880 --> 2:00:30.600 it because I articulated, you know, I have a buddy 2:00:30.600 --> 2:00:35.040 of mine he uh had he's been genetically modifying large 2:00:35.120 --> 2:00:37.320 mouth bass for a long time and the state buys 2:00:37.360 --> 2:00:39.480 him from him down Florida and Texas and a bunch 2:00:39.480 --> 2:00:41.480 of other places. And he asked, would you like to 2:00:41.520 --> 2:00:44.520 catch a ten pound bass? On? Yeah, I've never caught 2:00:44.520 --> 2:00:47.000 a ten pouty yet, let's go do it. So I 2:00:47.400 --> 2:00:48.840 had to get the right lure and I threw it 2:00:48.880 --> 2:00:50.320 in there and I caught him, and I just kind 2:00:50.360 --> 2:00:52.680 of fishing the barrel because it's they feed him and 2:00:52.720 --> 2:00:55.680 they're genetically modified. But it was huge and might pull 2:00:55.800 --> 2:00:58.240 bet over. It was exciting, and he invited me to 2:00:58.320 --> 2:01:00.560 catch the ten pound bass. So maybe it's a little 2:01:00.600 --> 2:01:04.120 more exciting to catch a you know, a hand sized 2:01:04.160 --> 2:01:06.640 blue gill out of my natural lake in Michigan. But 2:01:06.800 --> 2:01:09.840 I had fun catching that genetically modified basht It was 2:01:10.040 --> 2:01:12.280 huge and look at that bucket mouth and net belly 2:01:12.320 --> 2:01:14.560 hanging there. Well, I thought, alright, a guy does the 2:01:14.640 --> 2:01:17.120 same thing with the white tailed deer. Yeah, let's let's 2:01:17.120 --> 2:01:19.240 go do that. So Chamaine and I climbed in the 2:01:19.280 --> 2:01:20.920 tree and we put out the feet that they're used to. 2:01:21.080 --> 2:01:23.720 We waited and we waited. It's like we waited on 2:01:23.800 --> 2:01:29.880 the swamp and we waited nothing. Well, maybe tomorrow, so 2:01:30.040 --> 2:01:32.600 we went back the next day. We did this. We 2:01:33.080 --> 2:01:35.040 had to get the wind, didn't what the sun on 2:01:35.120 --> 2:01:37.720 our face, which Texas hunters need to learn. Don't look 2:01:37.800 --> 2:01:40.560 in the east in the morning, don't look in the 2:01:40.640 --> 2:01:42.520 west in the afternoon. Just a little tip from look 2:01:42.520 --> 2:01:47.640 of that. Anyhow, my point is we both shot atrocities, 2:01:47.760 --> 2:01:54.280 just three D plus ech things. But I've shot dear 2:01:54.480 --> 2:02:00.160 quicker and easier on the open ground. So be as 2:02:00.200 --> 2:02:03.520 it's easy in South Texas or in Illinois, and next 2:02:03.600 --> 2:02:05.640 to the game preserving the first preserve, you're not allowed 2:02:05.680 --> 2:02:07.440 to hunt. They take our tax dollars and shoot the deer. 2:02:07.960 --> 2:02:11.520 Welcome to Illinois, Welcome to America. But I hunt him 2:02:11.520 --> 2:02:15.040 in there and relaxed. I still got to still use 2:02:15.080 --> 2:02:16.680 the wind, still use the sun, and I still have 2:02:16.840 --> 2:02:18.120 the camera, and I still to make sure I got 2:02:18.160 --> 2:02:22.839 my stilo waker all of pure here's the word pure 2:02:23.640 --> 2:02:27.160 deer hunting at my buddy's place in Illinois. Dumb deer? 2:02:28.600 --> 2:02:31.040 Did I like it? I could use a dumb deer 2:02:31.080 --> 2:02:38.840 every once in a while. So that contentious debate is 2:02:40.040 --> 2:02:46.200 the the The anti high fence guys are presumptuous and 2:02:46.320 --> 2:02:48.560 everyone every time they go add it's fishing a barrel, 2:02:48.560 --> 2:02:50.720 and I go, really, share with me your last high 2:02:50.760 --> 2:02:54.960 fence experience. Well I've never done it. Well, then shut up. 2:02:55.960 --> 2:02:58.840 You don't like you don't like posta, but you've never 2:02:59.000 --> 2:03:01.480 had it, Then you don't know if you like it 2:03:01.640 --> 2:03:03.880 or not. You don't you don't qualify as an argument. 2:03:04.680 --> 2:03:10.080 So high fence originated in South Africa because the animals 2:03:10.120 --> 2:03:13.920 would migrate to agriculture and the agriculture concerns would slaughter 2:03:14.000 --> 2:03:16.880 them to safety agriculture. So some guys wanted kudu and 2:03:16.960 --> 2:03:20.000 game's bocket and yalla and wildebees and the zebras and stuff, 2:03:20.040 --> 2:03:21.840 so they put up high fence so they wouldn't migrate 2:03:21.840 --> 2:03:25.640 and get slaughtered. And then they obviously expanded in populations. 2:03:25.720 --> 2:03:28.320 Phenomenal miracle. They have babies every year, so you have 2:03:28.440 --> 2:03:32.240 to harvest the surplus. I e. Basic science science, wildlife management. 2:03:32.560 --> 2:03:37.920 But when you've got escape habitat, whether that habit that 2:03:38.240 --> 2:03:43.000 escape is limited by the highways in Columbus, Ohio, or 2:03:43.120 --> 2:03:46.480 the parking lot of the school in Columbus, Ohio, or 2:03:46.600 --> 2:03:49.560 this cul de Sac neighborhood. And you've got a little 2:03:49.640 --> 2:03:53.520 patch of woods in Columbus, Ohio, two hundred inch deer 2:03:53.720 --> 2:03:58.879 killers there's no fence. But all those can control factors 2:03:58.960 --> 2:04:05.320 are fences, not your point. And the the easiest deer 2:04:05.400 --> 2:04:08.480 on the planet ourselves. So should I not hunt there 2:04:08.480 --> 2:04:11.320 because they're easy? You know? I think, I think that 2:04:12.000 --> 2:04:14.400 what you're tapping into, I see, I see your point. 2:04:14.720 --> 2:04:18.480 I think what people don't like is the guy that's 2:04:18.520 --> 2:04:22.160 that kills a big deer in high fence, that puts 2:04:22.360 --> 2:04:24.720 the book or something right. Yeah, I mean that that's 2:04:24.920 --> 2:04:27.920 that's obviously what what gets them in trouble, or the 2:04:28.040 --> 2:04:31.280 or the or the guy that doesn't do any other 2:04:31.440 --> 2:04:34.760 type of hunting. And quite honestly, the guy that's in 2:04:34.840 --> 2:04:38.960 a high fence. And these deer are acclimated to human activity. 2:04:39.040 --> 2:04:42.560 Though I stopped myself already, I got buddies over in Uvaldi. 2:04:42.880 --> 2:04:45.840 Were these wild deer no fences, They come up and 2:04:45.920 --> 2:04:51.440 eat off the porch, right, So that's not fair. I'd 2:04:51.480 --> 2:04:53.880 like to feed the deer. What's not fair about feeding 2:04:53.920 --> 2:04:55.480 the deer? Why? I'm not going to shoot the deer 2:04:55.560 --> 2:04:57.560 from the porch. And if you did, I think you'd 2:04:57.600 --> 2:05:00.720 be a dirt bag. But if that big giant deer 2:05:00.760 --> 2:05:03.080 that you've waited for five years to shoot shows up 2:05:03.120 --> 2:05:07.400 at your stand, there's no fence, but it was really 2:05:07.680 --> 2:05:11.440 easy and and sometimes they don't show up. My point 2:05:11.600 --> 2:05:15.720 is is that ex deer hunting happens in no fence 2:05:15.760 --> 2:05:22.520 areas ex deer hunting exactly the same happens in my 2:05:22.680 --> 2:05:28.120 high fence hunting. I get skunked plenty. They don't show up, 2:05:28.200 --> 2:05:32.440 they don't turn broadside plenty. I touched the stand with 2:05:32.640 --> 2:05:38.840 my my limb and I spook them before ABC low fens, 2:05:39.360 --> 2:05:42.600 ABC high fence. Now, if if you've got a guy 2:05:42.680 --> 2:05:45.120 that I guarantee as soon as they use the G word, 2:05:45.160 --> 2:05:47.720 I don't go until I talked to some of my 2:05:47.800 --> 2:05:51.120 guys in South. If you gotta seat South Texas no fences, 2:05:51.640 --> 2:05:56.960 they're just crazy relaxed. You can burp and fart and 2:05:57.120 --> 2:06:00.600 sneeze and drop your ball in there you're looking at 2:06:01.080 --> 2:06:05.320 I'm eating this corn. Don't disturb me. So to each 2:06:05.440 --> 2:06:08.200 his own. And so that's why that's why they can 2:06:08.280 --> 2:06:10.960 wait for the point of what you're saying is is unity, 2:06:11.240 --> 2:06:14.760 just like any point picking on those guys if they're 2:06:14.760 --> 2:06:19.720 not breaking laws. If they're not, what what business do 2:06:19.800 --> 2:06:23.200 we have That same squawking takes place with guys. That's 2:06:23.240 --> 2:06:25.280 why they get not allowed to use a scope on 2:06:25.320 --> 2:06:29.320 your muzzleloader in Colorado. So you want to minimize my 2:06:29.640 --> 2:06:34.120 accuracy this law is well, it's it's uh what they 2:06:34.160 --> 2:06:38.520 called it, not antiques, but of it. Uh, this is 2:06:38.560 --> 2:06:43.360 the traditional style whatever traditional fire. This modern muzzleloaders your 2:06:43.440 --> 2:06:47.000 three yards like a three hundred weather be what does 2:06:47.080 --> 2:06:50.400 the scope? And they're gonna with or without a scope. 2:06:50.440 --> 2:06:55.280 So when it comes to those kinds of decisions, do 2:06:55.440 --> 2:07:01.320 you want most accuracy or less accuracy? Who would vote 2:07:01.400 --> 2:07:06.960 for less accuracy? And it goes to the crossbow debate. Well, again, 2:07:07.280 --> 2:07:14.840 the resource dictates, not the methodology until the methodology interferes 2:07:15.400 --> 2:07:20.600 with the productivity of the core resource. If if crossbows 2:07:20.840 --> 2:07:24.800 killed too many deer, then back them off. But until 2:07:24.880 --> 2:07:30.040 they do, shut up. But again with my crossbow friends, 2:07:30.080 --> 2:07:34.920 I love crossbows not as much as vertical bows, but 2:07:35.040 --> 2:07:37.480 a lot most of that, A lot most of them 2:07:37.600 --> 2:07:40.080 go to that because they're shooting too much draw weight. 2:07:40.360 --> 2:07:43.040 They're hurting their shoulders as they get older, and more 2:07:43.160 --> 2:07:46.560 than that, they're spooking the game as they struggle to 2:07:46.720 --> 2:07:49.880 pull that bowl back. I can tell you about how 2:07:49.960 --> 2:07:52.440 Pete Shepley came to Texas in the seventies and was 2:07:52.520 --> 2:07:54.280 shooting the overdraw. I don't know if you remember. The 2:07:54.320 --> 2:07:57.680 over draws is a terrible contraption and unless you were 2:07:57.680 --> 2:08:00.120 the world's greatest archer, you couldn't possibly draw on that 2:08:00.280 --> 2:08:04.000 arrow off that eighty five pounds like people shooting. So 2:08:04.080 --> 2:08:06.640 Pete was shooting eighty five pounds and that little black, 2:08:06.760 --> 2:08:09.880 new brand new carbon Aro technology off of twenty in 2:08:10.000 --> 2:08:14.800 jarrow offa overdraw those Texas well, Hell, there's some bit 2:08:14.880 --> 2:08:16.720 doing for hundred For a second, I'm getting one of 2:08:16.760 --> 2:08:18.160 the what do you got there, Pete? I'm getting just 2:08:18.280 --> 2:08:26.640 like you. Yea. They struggled and they hung it up 2:08:26.680 --> 2:08:31.200 on powerma remember the powermags that bow that hundred pounds 2:08:31.400 --> 2:08:35.880 powermag Crazy enough, Howard Hill used to shoot two of 2:08:36.000 --> 2:08:38.240 his long but both of them at a hundred pounds 2:08:38.280 --> 2:08:41.400 and go back together. But anyhow, so there's a lot 2:08:41.520 --> 2:08:49.800 of um minutia in our hunting world that the judgmentalists 2:08:50.080 --> 2:08:54.600 and they're just squawkers amongst us. That's where unity hits 2:08:54.600 --> 2:08:59.320 a roadblock. So crossbow have a great do you have 2:08:59.400 --> 2:09:03.960 a license the deer season, I love you, compound you 2:09:04.520 --> 2:09:10.120 long od sage, orange cedar, arrow, self bow at laddle, 2:09:11.440 --> 2:09:13.960 the swing shots that shoot arrows, the new rifles that 2:09:13.960 --> 2:09:15.480 shoot arrow I don't think you'd be able to use 2:09:15.480 --> 2:09:18.400 those during the archery season. Everything goes bags. Gunpowder you 2:09:18.480 --> 2:09:20.520 can use that, even the arrigas. I don't think an 2:09:20.600 --> 2:09:24.160 air gun arrow shooters should be used during the archery season. 2:09:25.800 --> 2:09:29.040 Understand you know. But but again, if the consensus is 2:09:29.120 --> 2:09:31.400 that it makes me want to go hunting and buy 2:09:31.440 --> 2:09:36.200 a license and invest in conservation, then I'd probably air 2:09:36.320 --> 2:09:40.800 on the side of choice. So the Unification battle cry 2:09:41.640 --> 2:09:44.560 guarding the gate is It's been my lifetime for at 2:09:44.640 --> 2:09:47.680 least sixty some years, and I will keep it up. 2:09:48.120 --> 2:09:56.640 Unity uh, supporting of individual choices and increasing opportunities hounds 2:09:56.720 --> 2:09:59.920 bait spring season in Michigan. We could have over the 2:10:00.040 --> 2:10:02.720 counter text for at least two years without even touching 2:10:02.800 --> 2:10:06.160 the resource um and the money that I generate would 2:10:06.160 --> 2:10:10.400 be insane good for everybody, and there's a bunch of 2:10:10.440 --> 2:10:16.720 states like that. So that's what I keep focusing on. Utility, family, 2:10:16.800 --> 2:10:21.080 hours of recreation, and revenues generated. I don't think there's 2:10:21.120 --> 2:10:26.160 anything else with the resource productivity dictating the above that 2:10:26.280 --> 2:10:29.000 makes sense. It's sounds science, not just a guitar player. 2:10:29.000 --> 2:10:31.240 I never went to college. I was too busy learning stuff, 2:10:31.480 --> 2:10:36.000 and that's what I've learned thanks to all right you 2:10:36.120 --> 2:10:36.760 back at joh