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Speaker 1: to my clay nucom excellent, excellent, well you wouldn't remember this,

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Speaker 1: the alerting of the animal humping that too much draw weight,

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00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: and the the fanning of the target panic flames that

426
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: guys just hang them up on nails and they go

427
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: to the crossbow, and they keep telling me, I'd rather

428
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: bow hunt, but I can't draw the bow. Didn't get one.

429
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: You can draws. Jermaine kills everything with thirty five pounds.

430
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: Everything moved, not moose yet, but elk and kudu and

431
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: zebra and pace and her her arrow, uh four hundred

432
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: grain gold tip with a two blade, you know, like

433
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: a bare razor head a hundred grainer. I think it's

434
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: a steel force we use with Jermaine thirty five pounds,

435
00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: six hundred plus pound orics in and out like butter. Yeah.

436
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: I don't don't know. Much more penetration you want? And

437
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: so the industry I think is really missing the lick

438
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: for recruitment and retention by relaxing, especially with the technology

439
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: of modern bows. Of her thirty five pound bows certainly

440
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: outperforms any sixty pounder of your I'm convinced to that.

441
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: So that's my spiel to get people to join joys

442
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: of bow hunting dead What like, what is your favorite

443
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: hunt anywhere in the world, anywhere in the country where?

444
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: What is your favorite what's your favorite thing to hunt?

445
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: It's so easy. The next one, Okay, I don't care

446
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: what it is, so you don't have the white tail

447
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: is is mystical, there's no question. Is so target rich

448
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: and I get the hunt every day. Don't hate me,

449
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: but everyday September, octover, November, December, generated February and pretty

450
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: much the rest of the year too. Um but I

451
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: I love stock and woodchucks in Michigan. I like walking

452
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: the fence roles just before dark and shooting cotton tails.

453
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: And it's thrilling to me because a small target, and

454
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: it really teaches you to pick a spot. And obviously

455
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: the white tail deer because I get so many tags

456
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: and I feed so many soup kitchens and homeless shelters,

457
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: and the joy of shopping for those two kitches and

458
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: homeless shelters really fires my spirit. And I've hunted elephant

459
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: and rhino and cape buffalo and lions and elk and

460
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: moose and caribou, and I've hunted. I haven't hunted the

461
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: sheep or the mountain goats and stuff yet. I'd love to,

462
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: but not with these knees um clay. My favorite hunt

463
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: is the next good arrow. Now I could tell you

464
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: stories about little boys and girls who their last request

465
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: in life is to go hunting with Ted Nugent. How

466
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: the hell I ever earned that, I don't know, But

467
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: for thirty plus years, families get ahold of us and

468
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: their little boy or little girls are gonna be dead soon,

469
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: and their last requesters to go to hunt with Ted Nugent.

470
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: They see Spirit of the Wild TV and or they

471
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: might see me doing an interview and talking about the

472
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: arrow and I'm funny and I'm I'm alive, and these

473
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: kids get it and I can't even I'm pretty good

474
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: with the English language, but I'm helpless to convey what

475
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: that campfire is like. And oftentimes we don't really kill anything,

476
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: though oftentimes we do, but that I get the kids

477
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: laughing and we take their mind off the chemo or

478
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: there the imminent and uh, those aren't even those aren't

479
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: even really hunts per se. But it's an experience that

480
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: came about via the hunting ethic, the hunting lifestyle. That

481
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: I stumble to Russ, what happened? You can you can sure?

482
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: And so those are favorite moments that are part of

483
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: my hunting life, that are a gift from God. And uh,

484
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how I ever qualified for that, but

485
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: that they decided idea is all I need to know.

486
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: That's great. Let me ask you a question about, uh,

487
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: just kind of the North American hunting in general. So

488
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: we're you know, the it seems the real issue is

489
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: hunter recruitment. I think the stats say there's eleven point

490
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: five million hunters in the US today. Peak hunting numbers

491
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: were in the nineteen eighties around sixteen seventeen million, somewhere

492
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: in that range. Our population is increasing, so we continue

493
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: to become this smaller minority. What what would you say

494
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: are the key features of of our hunting culture persisting

495
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,479
Speaker 1: tad because and it's and and we know that it's

496
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: so much more more than just our kids been able

497
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: to hunt or something. But I mean, you know, the

498
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: North American mole and wildlife conservation is the most successful

499
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: animal husbandry human endeavor of all times. So like there's

500
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: like our hunting is propping up, Saving wild places is

501
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: propping up. It's propping up quality air, soil, and water

502
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: is what it's propping up. So how do we so,

503
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: you know, because everybody knows. I mean, there's a lot

504
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: of narratives and a lot of them are good. And

505
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: I realized there's not one thing. But what what do

506
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: you see? What do you think when it is a

507
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: spicy cocktail of ingredients. So I'll start with number one

508
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: and again, I have a big mouth. I think the

509
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: Founding Fathers wanted all Americans to have a big mouth.

510
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: This is an experiment self government, the experiments over we

511
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: the people are supposed to be in charge, and some

512
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: people hate me because I am in charge because I'm

513
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: doing what the Founding Fathers wanted us to do. And

514
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: it's relating to the recruitment and retention and attrition in

515
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: the conservation world, license sales of family hours of recreation,

516
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: the gargantuan economy relative to it. It's it's it's it's

517
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: immeasurable way beyond any measurement. I've seen number one, the

518
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: criminal abuse of power and corruption in all bureaucracies that

519
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: it has weaseled its way into all game departments. I'm

520
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: sure as a publisher and an editor and a visible

521
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: promoter of this great sport, the greatest sport, I'm sure

522
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: you get communication from these are our fellow hunters, not

523
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: like I do. I don't care if it's a sushi

524
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: bar or the whole foods or rock and roll concert

525
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: or the gas station or a kid's school, every day

526
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: of my life for as far as back as I

527
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: can remember, at least fifty years, because in every interview

528
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: I've ever done as a rock and roller, I've always

529
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: mentioned the mystical flight of the arrow and how I

530
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: get high in nature, and backstraps and the challenge and

531
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: the excitement and the electricity of sneaking up on a

532
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: career with a sharp stick. I keep it entertaining, But

533
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 1: I don't mean to keep it entertaining. I just can't

534
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: help myself. That's so contagious that people that would have

535
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: never read Bear Hunting magazine don't even know there's an

536
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: outdoor life magazine, never even heard of fishing game, don't

537
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 1: even know what a backstrap is. They do now because

538
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 1: of me in a Rock and Roll interview, I always

539
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: turned it towards Hutton and the game laws are so

540
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: absurd and anti science, anti wildlife management that I am

541
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: bombarded constant lee with angry, frustrated people quitting because they

542
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: got a ticket for not having their boat case zipped

543
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: or for moving an apple closer to their tree stand. Clay,

544
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: No one's ever gonna come up and share that with you.

545
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: They shouldn't, no offense, But I am bombarded with this.

546
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: Deer are eating corn in every corn field on planet Earth.

547
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: Why can't they eat it closer to my tree stand? Yeah,

548
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: c w D so number one cause of attrition. People

549
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: quitting because they're being harassed by anti hunting game departments

550
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: forcing anti hunting laws on us. Right now, while you

551
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: and are sitting here, You and I can't hunt springtime

552
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: bears in Colorado. We can't use bait, and we can't

553
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 1: use pounds. Guess who can in My buddy Scott Young,

554
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: who's paid with our tax dollars through the U. S

555
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: d A, is slaughtering them as damage control because the

556
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: bureaucrats won't allow us to utilize them as an asset

557
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: in quality control. A lot of people watching or listening

558
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: right now, they don't even know what I'm talking about.

559
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: The government uses proven methodologies to bring balanced wildlife that

560
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 1: were forbidden to put are are you kidding me? People

561
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: are quitting because they didn't have their boat case zipped up.

562
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: Even though I forced a law that eliminated the boat

563
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: case law, but they were still enforcing it in Michigan

564
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: and we went thing you think people. Nope, not even close,

565
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: not even access to hunting grounds. And I know they

566
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: all play a part. Nothing is even close to the

567
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: harassment of of hunters by by cowboy game fish cops.

568
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: And I respect the ones who are respectable. In fact,

569
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: you should read the book I got. I got buddies

570
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: that are game wardens that are just there as piste

571
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: off as I am. They just throw their hands up

572
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: and go. So the guy had the deer and he

573
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: was gutting in hand, and put the tag on it,

574
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: and you're gonna confiscate his deer and and give him

575
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: a ticket. It's the dear season. That's a deer, that's

576
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: his dear license. It's the bow season. That's a bow.

577
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: He's hunting in a legal area. And you have you

578
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: ever heard one of those stories? Yeah, yeah, just people

579
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: getting I hear him all the time. Yea, look what

580
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: they did to me in Alaska. I've been hunting Alaska

581
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: since nine. I bought my bear tag. I bought it

582
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: in the area I'm hunting. I'm using the right weapon.

583
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 1: I'm using the during the right hours. I every game

584
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: law in the history of game law says upon taking

585
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: possession of the animal, you apply the tag every everyone

586
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: all my life. So I'm gonna when I take possession,

587
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: I'll put the tag on him. So I shot a

588
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: bear on TV, and you know when you want to

589
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: break a law in your shirt with fifty million viewers,

590
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: that's that's proves intent right there, doesn't it. So I'll

591
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: continue with my horror story. So sure enough, Jack Bouten

592
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: thug u s Attorney Jack Schmidt, because you went after

593
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: Ted Nuta when the Alaska Ficient game. We're not interested.

594
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 1: If there was anything that qualifies at the perfect honest mistake,

595
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: it was me. You put it on television and I

596
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: went and searched for three days, and then we finally

597
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 1: did a stop motion of the arrow and it didn't

598
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: penetrate it. Literally I caught it. It was a two

599
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 1: blade broadhead, and I caught a rib on the straight side.

600
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: It literally kicked up straight out of the air and

601
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: bounced clean off the rib. So we looked at it

602
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: and we went bears fine, I can go bear hunt

603
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 1: because I hadn't taken possession. So I had a tag

604
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: if and they went after me with a vengeance. They

605
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: spent millions of dollars analyzing all my TV shows to

606
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: prove that because there was a law that was initiated

607
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: that year on Prince of Wales is a draw blood? Yes, never,

608
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: how about this? The judge during the court hearing asked

609
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: Jack Schmidt, the the judge, and I know how the

610
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 1: courts work. This is precedent that when a judge says

611
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 1: what the judge said, I've been living in ketch can

612
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: all my life. I bear hunted all my life. When

613
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: was this law and enacted? Because I don't know anybody

614
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: that's ever heard of it? Grounds for smissal but no,

615
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: Barack Obama and Eric Holder went can't dismiss hurt nugent,

616
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 1: shut nugent up. So I had a Vendetta. Think yeah,

617
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: because I dare, I dare to demand constitutional adherents from

618
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: my president and Attorney general. And they couldn't debate me,

619
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: and they knew that I was right and they were

620
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: getting away with murder. So anyhow, that's number one. So

621
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: number one is the abusive power and scaring people away

622
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: because they're getting all these horrible fines. Check out what

623
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 1: they did to Chris Brackett. So he shoots a buck

624
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: and he wasn't sure the shot with a muzzler. You know,

625
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: Chris Brackett. Now you know the story. I think I do,

626
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: and you to know the whole story. So guess what

627
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: the Game Department in Indiana wants more dear killed. Guess

628
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: what the agriculture department wants more dear killed. Guess what

629
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: the Highway department wants more deer killed. Guess what the

630
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: Center for Disease Control or whatever it is in Indiana

631
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: they want more deer killed. We shoot one buck, So

632
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: we shot a buck. Then a giant showed up. Now

633
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: this was a mistake. Must apply the tag upon taking possession.

634
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: He didn't take possession, but he shot the bigger buck

635
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: and dad a TV show up. But he had only

636
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: had one tag, and they had one tag. They never

637
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: they never touched the first gear. They never even found

638
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: the first year. They did a cursory search, but because

639
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: they had the giant and he was gonna have his

640
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: cameraman tag it. Okay, so we're violating were that's pretty

641
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: that's a major violation though, or is it? Is it amazing?

642
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: Is it a major violation? Let me let me finish

643
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: in a state that wants more dear killed. Okay, you

644
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: know what, it is a major violation, and somebody that

645
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: has common sense, I'll tell you what the major violation is. Chris,

646
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: your jerk. You shouldn't have shot the other buck till

647
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: you did everything in your power to find that first one. Fine,

648
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: don't do it again. Donate the meat to the charity.

649
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here right now defending him. I'm I'm telling

650
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: you that his crime was indefensible, but it wasn't murder.

651
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 1: He didn't. He didn't they were They ruined his life,

652
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: They bankrupted him, they went after him and try to

653
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: get him on that that insane Lacy Act felony for

654
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: shooting an extra dear in a state that while the

655
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 1: court case was going on for Chris Brackett, sharpshooters killed

656
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: thousands of them, and cars killed thousands more. So give

657
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: me a logical response to that. Why killing an extra

658
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: dear is a major offense. I'll tell you what a

659
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: major offensive. Armed robbery that's a major offense. Rape is

660
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: a major offense. Arson is a major offense. Shooting an

661
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: extra dear is petty. They want more dear. And if

662
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 1: I was the judge when Chris Brackett, you're a dirt

663
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: bag five dollars and I need to uh need that

664
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: venison I need and if you didn't get it, I

665
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 1: need some of your venison. But more importantly, Chris Brackett,

666
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: I would like to bring in the director of the

667
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: game department and ask him why can I only shoot

668
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: one deer while you're slaughtering him with my tax dollars

669
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 1: by the thousands, And then I would indict that guy

670
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: for being corrupt. You. I don't think we can overlook though,

671
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 1: that they were trying to. His motivation was his motivation, though,

672
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: which was different than yours, with the ruining your life

673
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: when being a prick is I'm just saying his motivation

674
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: was the perceived motivation, no doubt, and that he was

675
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: making a television show just and that was major, you know,

676
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: because the TV show has nothing to do with it.

677
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: Maybe shouldn't in the court of law, of course it

678
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: shouldn't it, just like it did with your thing though. Right, well,

679
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: I don't think my TV show had anything to do

680
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: it because my celebrity, in my voice is it eclipses

681
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: the TV impact. If I didn't have a spirit of

682
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: the wild TV show, I'd still be doing media like

683
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: the million people condemning the Democrats that side with Antifa.

684
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: So I don't need a TV show promoting oneting to

685
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 1: give me a voice, because I demand a voice because

686
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: I'm a free American. So you're right, but be careful,

687
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: Clay Nukem major offense? When did kill dear become a

688
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: major offense? I? I see, I see your point, I

689
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: really do, thank you. I see your point. But also

690
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: see inside the context of hunting, inside the see you

691
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: took it outside the context of honey, which bigger that's

692
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: fair to do? I mean a major fency. Yes, I'll

693
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 1: see what you're saying, but inside the inside the context

694
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 1: of hunting. Yeah, we've turned him down to sit touch here,

695
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: inside the context of hunting, that. I see that as

696
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: pretty significant, though, I mean because your your whole position,

697
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: and part of the reason I'm here is because I

698
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: respect you at the level that you have a value

699
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: system that you live by. I mean, you have a

700
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: value right, here's the he I mean, let's talk about

701
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: the value system specifically for a moment. Ethics are about

702
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: doing the right thing. Do you know that oftentime an

703
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: illegal act is the right thing? How About when I

704
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 1: see a deer bleeding to death stuck in a fence,

705
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: ted nugent is supposed to call a bureaucrat to put

706
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: this deer out of its misery, what in a couple

707
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: hours maybe tomorrow. It would be against the law for

708
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: me to dispatch that deer, which I've done many times,

709
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: because the law is immoral. And I think when you

710
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: take that kind of condemnation and ruin a person's life

711
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: over killing an extra dear and not tagging the right dear,

712
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: all right, it's a crime and it's unethical. Five fine.

713
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 1: That would have hurt him plenty, but not ruin his life.

714
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 1: The running of his life came from the social consequences

715
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: of that from network, those were not social consequences, though

716
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: we're those were jack booted bureaucrat. No, you can't find

717
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: me a human Stop hunting, stop doing your magazine. You

718
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: go out of crusade and find me a human being

719
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: that knows about Chris practice shooting an extra dear so

720
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: we can get that social comment. Nobody knows. I'm and

721
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm again talking inside the hunting world, to be careful

722
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 1: your reputation, To be careful inside the hunting world. You'll

723
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: find people who hate me because I bait Fred Bear baited.

724
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: They hate me because I shoot a lot of deer.

725
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: I have to shoot a lot of deer. So in

726
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: our own hunting community you got some inbred cannibals that

727
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: are so elitist and judgmental, and they play no role

728
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: in any thought pattern or conduct of mind whatsoever. The

729
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: worst human beings in the world are people that turn

730
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: on their own And because I get to kill a

731
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: lot of deer legally and ethically and provide venison by

732
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: the tons to my fellow man, there are people in

733
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: our industry that absolutely curse me and they can kiss

734
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: my And in fact, I don't even need to kill

735
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: more deer this year, but I'm gonna just to piss

736
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: them off because they're so small minded. So I went

737
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: hunting too much. Nobody ever said, who says you hunt

738
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: too much? Well, I get these from different publishers and

739
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: people in the You know, they're really angry. I think

740
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: they think you're a game hog. Really, I shot four

741
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: d pigs from a helicopter one day with my machine gun,

742
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: and guess who thanked me. The game department, the le landowners,

743
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: the environmentalists, and the agriculture business shut up. We have

744
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: such ignorant, small minded duface is in our hunting community.

745
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: There's just a lunatic cringe. The vast majority here's one

746
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: wet with me. Go with me to the shot show

747
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: and just follow me around. Stay back about fifty ft

748
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: and follow me around. I have a love affair, a

749
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: blood brotherhood spirit connection on intellectual and decency and conservation

750
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: wise use levels with the maturity of sporting families in

751
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: this country that my haters hate me even more for.

752
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 1: It's it's unbelievable. So you know, I I don't think

753
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: my poop doesn't smell. In fact, I'm quite proud of

754
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: the aroma. But I know that my intellect and my

755
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: moral guide posts have forced me a lot with my

756
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: drill sergeant Dad to just conscientiously choose the right thing

757
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, and I have. And people will make

758
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 1: up that I'm a draft dodger, not never dodged anything,

759
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: that I'm a child molester. You look at the internet,

760
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: Huffington Post, Salon dot Org, Wikipedia. How about in New

761
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: York I was banned from saying thank you to the

762
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: NYPD last weekend because, according to the New York Times

763
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: and Governor Cuomo, I'm an anti Semite, I'm a racist,

764
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: and I'm a homophobe. Obviously you don't know my Jewish, Black,

765
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: or gay ends. I've been surrounded by every imaginable stripe

766
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: of mankind for fifty plus years, sixty years, and yet

767
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: there will level these horrific false accusations against me from

768
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: the left because I'm so effective at spotlighting their indecency

769
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: and criminal behavior, and from our own hunting community. I'm

770
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: guessing they're either stoned or drunk or just mentally ill.

771
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: Because if all these families have decided to fulfill their

772
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: dying sons and daughter's request with Ted Nugent, I'm I

773
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: have to be okay. They've they've they know everything that

774
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: my haters know, what what more stamp of approval, could

775
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: have man beg for then for a family in that

776
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: emotional trauma and heartbreak, to include the old guitar player.

777
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: What I must have done something right? Why why do you?

778
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 1: Uh you? And this is just an honest question I

779
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: would ask if if these we weren't in this format,

780
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: why why do you want to focus on those that

781
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: are against you? So I don't never do I'm responding

782
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: to something I don't. If you follow my average day,

783
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: I've been maybe during and and I'm very active. I

784
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: do media all the time, and I have my own

785
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 1: Tenutian spirit campfire right for all these publications positive positive, positive,

786
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: positive positive celebration, good good, good fun, fun, fun, conservation, conservation.

787
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: I hate you because you hunt over bait eat me.

788
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 1: Just for that, I'm mean to hunt over bait even more,

789
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: fred Bare hunt and over bait of American hunting families

790
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: in the Midwest, hunt over and attracting. So that guy

791
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 1: doesn't hate me. He hates all those families. Beautiful. That's

792
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: all we need to know. That's an official dirt bag

793
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 1: right there. He let me let me. By the way,

794
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm focusing on it now because I

795
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: mentioned that it's the harassment that is the core of

796
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: attrition people quitting because of the Yeah, that was the

797
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: original question, wasn't But the factors that are hurting us

798
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: as and and access to hunting land is one of them,

799
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: but not not crucial because everybody's got an uncle or

800
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: everybody's got a buddy, and there's plenty of state land,

801
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: and I know it's a consideration in some instance, and

802
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: the cost is going up. So these are all things.

803
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: But this thing that we just focused on just a

804
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: moment ago is the inbreeding and cannibalism and the hate

805
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: by a lunatic fringe in our sport. I can't believe

806
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: you had a sight on your your muzzleloader. I can't

807
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: believe you use the scope, but I'm not supposed to

808
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: be really accurate. When I killed the day Air with this,

809
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: you've seen it. So that is that is an element

810
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: that we can crush by identifying their indecency and ostracizing them.

811
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: So that so there's your You just tell about your strategy.

812
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: So you think that we need to call out those people,

813
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: because what you're saying is we need unity inside this

814
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: port and I don't want to no batter Ever since

815
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: is the right thing to do to call those guys

816
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: out as crazy? Does that not make it more divisive? Ted? Oh,

817
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: I like division, you know the division. I like. I

818
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: like the division between families that go shopping in Seattle

819
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: and the people who are burning down Seattle. That's a

820
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: good division. I like the division between the guy who

821
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: goes to the bank and withdraws from his own account

822
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: versus the bank robber. Division is good. So we have

823
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 1: to so you think unity will come inside the hunting world,

824
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: And that's what we're talking about through calling out these

825
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: guys that would be anti hunt. I can't believe you

826
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: use training wheels. If you're a real hunter, you use

827
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: a longbow. Yeah. And and I'm all for teasing, and

828
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm all for cute little you know, uh, back and forth.

829
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: But these guys are just nasty. And again, it's a

830
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: limitedringe that's in every every aspect of life. Though, no

831
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: doubt there's people that are that are that are like that.

832
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: You know where it's not. I I raised professionally for

833
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: twelve years with Parnelli Jones and Mickey Thompson and Ivan Stewart.

834
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: It didn't exist. The guy that raced for Ford never

835
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 1: said a bad thing about the Chevy guys who was

836
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: a camaraderie. I'm in the music. How do how do

837
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,919
Speaker 1: we utify people? Though? Like, I hear what you're saying

838
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: about Uh, I mean I understand your philosophy there about

839
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: like uh calling out the bad guys. It's a proven methodology.

840
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: Actually you should come up. I I've I've sold out

841
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: all my hunts again this year. I have twelve to

842
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: twenty people at my um hog operation in Michigan every

843
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: weekend September, October November. The greatest human beings on the planet.

844
00:54:55,400 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: They support any individual choice, methodology, weapon system people. You know.

845
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:08,760
Speaker 1: Yeah again haters and the squawkers are a thin lunatic fringe.

846
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: But we really are united, except that you have some

847
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: of these judgmental people find their way into the outdoor

848
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: writing community. Now there's less of it than there was

849
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: for a while, and never forget outdoor life. I was

850
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 1: telling us that we shouldn't wear a cameo in public

851
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: and avoid the hunting issue. How do you promote something

852
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: that is coming under attack if you hide from it? No,

853
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: And I always wrote, and I got condemned by some

854
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: of those writers were cameo all the time, have that

855
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: deer in the back of the truck and open the

856
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 1: door for the lady, help her with the groceries, tip

857
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: your hat and say hello and show them that you're

858
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: good people. Just like what do they call it? The uh?

859
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: The cameo are our Vada when the hurricanes hit? Who

860
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: do you think saved all those people from the floods?

861
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: Duck hunters, big truck deer hunters. That that's how you

862
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: and they're all cameo and they even you know, a

863
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,919
Speaker 1: our fifteens come and get it. So I CBS didn't

864
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: know the guy had the T shirt on and anti

865
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: hunting CBS actually showed a promotional gun ownership. So be outspoken,

866
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: be courteous and friendly, and be sure they know you're

867
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: a hunter. Where that and r a hat to counter

868
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: the lives about guns. You know, maybe some of the

869
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 1: roots of this philosophy would have subconsciously come from stuff

870
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: I've heard you say over the years, But I you know,

871
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: I think that any dedication to craft, dedication to something

872
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: that takes as much energy effort as hunting does to

873
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: be successful, makes you a better human. Question. You know

874
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 1: a lot of guys talk about like limiting factors inside

875
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 1: there hunting, like, how can I be more successful? And

876
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: what I always say is that the way you could

877
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: be a more successful hunter is to be a better

878
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: human outside of hunting. If your family is in order,

879
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: if your finances are in order, that's why. If your

880
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: life is in order, then you're to have more time

881
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: to unite here. So I always take hunting as a

882
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: position of you know, hunting is not salvation. I mean

883
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: it's not. It's it's you know, we might be dedicated

884
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: to something else that could do a similar thing, maybe

885
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: not as fun, not as good, but dedication two craft

886
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: gives you the opportunity can make you a better human.

887
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: And that's that's what I say to these to our

888
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: to our hunters. That's pursuit of excellence, good, better neighborliness,

889
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: positive spirit, generosity, caring, not being judgmental. If you don't,

890
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: I've never said, well, you're not as good as I

891
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: am if you don't hunt. Not everybody's a hunter, Not

892
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: everybody's a wool rancher. I'm glad you do it because

893
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: I like my wool clothing, but I don't have a sheepherd.

894
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: It's about excellence, samurai life, liberty, pursuit of happiness in

895
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: your given calling. And you're absolutely right. That's why I

896
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: mentioned my campfires. And I've been doing this since the

897
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: late sixties. Sharing campfires. Boy, you could become you know, jaded.

898
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: On the positive side, you could become convinced that the

899
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: world is perfect if you just came to my camp

900
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: fires every weekend in Michigan and Texas. These are the

901
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: greatest people, entrepreneurs and work ethic and fun and positive energy.

902
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: And we talk about charities, and we talk about guidance

903
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: and schools and and challenging elected employees to adhere to

904
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: their constitutional oath. I'm telling you I am not the

905
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: weird guy. I am that rancher, I'm that hardware store operator.

906
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just happened to be the guitar player, and

907
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: I promote the things that turned me on the most.

908
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: But I also promote my welding buddies and the mechanics

909
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: and the plumbers and the teachers and the cops. So

910
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. You find a person who's really a

911
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: dedicated hunter. Doesn't mean they have to kill a deer

912
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: every year or a big bucker, or focus on trophies.

913
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: Even though a good Woodchuck is a trophy to me.

914
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: But you'll find that the that the inescapable discipline of stealth, marksmanship,

915
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: mystical flight of the arrow zen that as they as

916
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: they pursue and discover upgrades incrementally in those pursuits. They're

917
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: going to be a better teacher, They're going to be

918
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: a better father, a better husband, a better brother. I'm

919
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: convinced to this um so I call it the spirit

920
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: of the wild, and I think we can go back

921
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: to the Aborigines, the Native America with Coach He's and

922
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: crazy horse and city and bull and the oneness with

923
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: the great spirit that they always referenced and the lyrics

924
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: to my Great White Buffalo that came from divine intervention

925
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: on a jam session. I didn't know that the legend

926
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: of the Great White Buffalo, but I sang it lick

927
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: for lick spontaneously. I made him up, made the lyrics came.

928
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: I think because of the spirit that I've discovered and

929
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,919
Speaker 1: that I've been saturated with from learning to get close

930
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: to that quail on the Rouge River in Detroit in

931
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: n There it's not just physical, it really is spiritual.

932
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: Let me let me go back to something that I

933
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: wanted to that's related to this very much, so that

934
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to. Well, I've wanted to talk to

935
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: you about this. Where did you so? I've heard you

936
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: say you were clean and sober for all these years,

937
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:46,439
Speaker 1: where it takes a lot of identity to be able

938
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: to be in the places you were in, the culture

939
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: that you were in and not fall into that. Where

940
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: did that come from? Ted? I mean, and I know

941
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: you could. I mean, like, where did the strength to

942
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: be opposite positional to the time come from? Just listen,

943
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: just this is an official performance, and I'll keep it

944
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 1: down so you can hear everything. But have you ever

945
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: heard my song? I just want to go hunting? I

946
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't think I have what you're about

947
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: to And I'll keep it down so that the lyrics

948
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: are forceful. I was always different. Nobody understood. I didn't

949
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: play follow the leader. I was always in the woods

950
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: where they hadn't invented peer pressure. Yet it seems I

951
01:01:54,400 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: stood alone. My daddy had a vision, love family and

952
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: the home. Well, some punks used to laugh at me.

953
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,919
Speaker 1: They said, how can you rock and not get high?

954
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: I just stood my ground, and then I watched those

955
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: punks falling die because I just want to go hunt.

956
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: A little goose bunks makes me feel so good. I

957
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: just want to go hunting. Try to find me in

958
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: the woods. Things get a little crazy in this day

959
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: and age. The concrete jungle warfare got everybody in a rage. Well,

960
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 1: I shore like my rocking danger, and I crave my

961
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: rocking roll. But when I get my limit, I know

962
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: where to go. I just jump into four wheel drive

963
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: and I lord up. The dogs in the family leave

964
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna feel a live with the wild life

965
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: where I can't breathe, because I just want to go hunting.

966
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: It makes me feel so good. I just gotta go hunting.

967
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 1: Try to find me in the woods. Yeah, I'm sitting away.

968
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:27,959
Speaker 1: I'm looking for a new sunrise. I got to feel

969
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: okay because it's times like this makes me healthy and wild.

970
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: God told me in the Bible, he said, go ahead,

971
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: wag him tied. So I'll take my kids hunting. So

972
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: I don't gotta hunt for my kids. We like to

973
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: jump in the four wheel drive. We gotta bloat up

974
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: the dogs and the family. I gotta I gotta feel

975
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: alive with the wild life where I can't breathe because

976
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: I just want to go on. It makes me feel

977
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: so good. I'm gonna always go hunting, and I'll always

978
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: be in the woods because I'm slipping away. I gotta

979
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: get get anyway farther way every day. I gotta feel

980
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 1: alive in my way because I'm slipping away. That answers

981
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: the question do you see the goose bumps? I could

982
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 1: have literally cried as I was singing, that is that yours?

983
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: That your life? The punks used to laugh at me

984
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 1: because I wouldn't get high. You can't rock like dad

985
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: and not get high. So I watched those punks fall

986
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: in die, all of them, and the ones that didn't

987
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: I can't talk. And they made fun of me because

988
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: I'd promote hunting. I had a cowardy murders Bambi. Oh yeah,

989
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 1: let's reduce precious living, breathing wildlife to a cartoon level.

990
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: Smoke some more dope. You gotta be kidding me. It

991
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: took a lot of took a lot of internal forges.

992
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 1: Did your were your siblings like that? Dad? Yeah? In

993
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: different ways? And let me expound in that briefly. Because

994
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 1: my dad was a drill sergeant World War Two. God

995
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: bless war and Henry nugent and he was already both

996
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 1: hunt What was your father's name, Yeah, Warren Henry nugent

997
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: Um was a drill sergeant in the U. S. Army

998
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: Cavalry in World War Two and Korea. And he brought

999
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: home his riding crop, the same riding croppy train horses

1000
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: with and my brother's sister and I just lost my

1001
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: brother John, and January. It's a great, great guy. If

1002
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: we are all around the campfire, we'd have you roaring

1003
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 1: with laughter of stories of my day. The youngest know

1004
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 1: as the second oldest brother Jeff is two years older

1005
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: than I am, and then me and then my brother

1006
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: John would have been. And my sister Cathey was up

1007
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 1: North Michigan, right up where we started hunting Um, but

1008
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: he was already a bow hunter, and the discipline factor

1009
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 1: we hated him. We were controlled unnecessarily and fearful of discipline.

1010
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 1: A beautiful parenting system, by the way. But he also

1011
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: took me hunting every year and taught me those disciplines

1012
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 1: slow stealth, quiet shadows, which I wasn't real good at

1013
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 1: because you, as you've noticed, I'm a bit uppity. Not

1014
01:06:55,840 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: exactly the personality conducive to sneaky bow hunting techniques, but

1015
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:04,439
Speaker 1: I've adapted over the years. Um. And then of course

1016
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: they would just my dad would threaten us touch liquor tobacco.

1017
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 1: You know, they're both drank and smoked. Go figure. Um.

1018
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: So if anybody was in the vortex of rebellion, it

1019
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 1: would have been me because I was already rocking my

1020
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: balls off and he hated that, playing a little Richard stuff,

1021
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: and he wanted to play Lawrence Welcome music Stare, What

1022
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: a what a fascinating journey. So so I would have

1023
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 1: been inclined to smoke and drink, and especially in that

1024
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 1: era where it was ubiquitous, you couldn't get away from it.

1025
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: I'm surprised I didn't get stone just on their second

1026
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: hand dope. But I realized, luckily my dad's discipline I

1027
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: would have dismissed and rebelled against. Except by that age

1028
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: I was twelve or thirteen. I'm struggling to play Killer

1029
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 1: Chuck Barry Bow did the rock and roll. And I

1030
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: saw these great musicians much better than me. I watched

1031
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: them drink and lose their musical touch. I watched them

1032
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 1: get high, and they were always late and they forgot

1033
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 1: the arrangements. So now my dad's discipline now had a

1034
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 1: pragmatic indicator that if I really love the music, which

1035
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: I really loved them, that's a great lick. And that's

1036
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 1: a great lick. It's a rock and lick on acoustic

1037
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 1: guitar by Matt McPherson. Um So I was. I never

1038
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,600
Speaker 1: wanted to be a rock star. I never wanted to

1039
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: make plant of albums. I never I just want to

1040
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 1: make music. The music drove me. You know they say

1041
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:45,879
Speaker 1: that guys getting in it for the chicks. I adapted

1042
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 1: to that later, but I bought just making music. Um So,

1043
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 1: now I'm seeing that my dad's discipline of clean and

1044
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: sober would benefit my musical prowess. And when do you

1045
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 1: think he came to that? Mean you had to have

1046
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 1: been a little had some age on you to understand that.

1047
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: I mean you, because you said early teens. And then

1048
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:10,879
Speaker 1: by the time that they're beating X turned into hippies

1049
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: and just began this huge, slobbering, drooling, stumbling, puking, gaggy

1050
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 1: death march. I'm going and they were calling you the party,

1051
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: and I'm going, it's not a party. You're dying you're puking,

1052
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,799
Speaker 1: you're stumbling, you're bumping into people. That's not a parties

1053
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 1: around a campfire with some killer music and some chicks

1054
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 1: where you're cognizant of the chicks. If you're comfortably numb,

1055
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 1: you're your your a liability you can't do in your

1056
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:42,719
Speaker 1: late You know, the song goes like this your dirt bag.

1057
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 1: There's a win went through so many musicians, so you know,

1058
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 1: all this makes sense as a recipe to what made

1059
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: me what I am. But also, Clay, come on, let's

1060
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: admit it. I am a defiant, cocky son of a boot.

1061
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 1: And if you want to convince me of anything to

1062
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 1: try this doper, this cocaine, you're gonna have to penetrate

1063
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 1: my intellectual shield that it's going to be was not

1064
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 1: to do it when everybody else was done. Yes, I

1065
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: rebelled against the inescapable stupidity of the drooling and puking

1066
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 1: and dying Clay did. I turned down Jimmy Hendricks dope

1067
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 1: and I said no, and it's gonna kill you. Come on, man,

1068
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 1: Jimmy Hendrix tried to right this close you and me,

1069
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 1: Keith Moon of the who not Keith, You got buggers

1070
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 1: coming out of your nose. You you just think, no,

1071
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna kill you. I said the words it's gonna

1072
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 1: kill you. Jimi Hendrix, Keith Moon, Bond, Scott A C

1073
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: D C. John Belushi, Sam Kenderson. Luckily Sam sobered up

1074
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 1: and then he unfortunately died in a car wreckt Over

1075
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 1: over again, John Entwhistle of the who I go, No,

1076
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, I know it's gonna kill you. And

1077
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys you've never heard of that were

1078
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 1: just geniuses, Oh my God gifted musical forces. And they

1079
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 1: thought they had to just like punks used to laugh

1080
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 1: at me, said how can your rock? And they felt,

1081
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 1: how can you rock? And knocket high? They think they

1082
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 1: had to do that to rock out? No, no, no, no,

1083
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 1: no no, and get and guess who all the good clean,

1084
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 1: pretty girls want clean and sober guys, you jerks um.

1085
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 1: So there was. You know, the God rewarded me in

1086
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 1: different ways. But so that song articulates the clear and

1087
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 1: present system of decision making. And again it goes back

1088
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 1: to the discipline. You had to do the right thing.

1089
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 1: My dad. Knock your block off, Remember the term knock

1090
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 1: your block off. You really would knock your block off,

1091
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 1: it's awesome. And if you can meet all my sons

1092
01:11:56,160 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: and daughters and all my grandkids, that Poppy I'm a

1093
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: I'm I got, I got eleven of them, and when

1094
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 1: I show up, all of a sudden things get a

1095
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 1: little bit more organized. And even though they all shooting

1096
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 1: hunt and they love off roading with Poppy, and they

1097
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: love wrestling and I you know there's a woodchuck in

1098
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 1: their garden, they know who to call. So so it's

1099
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 1: really served me well. But the song says it all.

1100
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: They hadn't invented peer pressure yet, seems I stood alone

1101
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 1: when my daddy had a vision, love, family and a home. Well,

1102
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 1: how on hip is that? How cool am I? How

1103
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: how prioritized? How smart was I? Yeah? Do you know

1104
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 1: any other musicians that were in your that would have

1105
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 1: been a peer of yours that took on that stance? Well,

1106
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 1: first of there there's different categories of peers. I've been

1107
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 1: surrounded by the world's greatest virtuous was all my life.

1108
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:55,640
Speaker 1: I mean, my musicians in all my different bands, the

1109
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 1: best that ever walked the earth. And when you're when

1110
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 1: they're not in my band, typically September through Marsh, it

1111
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 1: is because I'm not available. Um. They worked with the

1112
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: greatest artists on the planet. UM. But as far as

1113
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 1: peer on a on a human, spiritual, freeman American level, UM,

1114
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 1: I would say some great great guys, a lot of

1115
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,759
Speaker 1: straight guys. My band Jason Heartlet was twenty year oldrummer

1116
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:28,639
Speaker 1: from Detroit, Clean and Sober Monster. Greg Smith my longtime

1117
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 1: bass player from Pennsylvania, Clean and Sober Monster. I could

1118
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 1: name so many my Damn Yankees buddies. I'm sure they

1119
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 1: had some history of this stuff. They'll probably Michael Cardiloni

1120
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:39,560
Speaker 1: didn't because he was so young when he joined the

1121
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 1: Damn Yankees. UM. So there's a lot of clean and

1122
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:44,680
Speaker 1: sober guys out there now, and a lot of them

1123
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 1: saved their lives by by stopping in time to retain

1124
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: some brain matter, and many didn't. But I think of

1125
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 1: Gene Simmons of Kiss, he's been cleaning sober all his life. UM.

1126
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 1: I'm hard us to think of someone else. Maybe Ricky

1127
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,559
Speaker 1: Medlock of Blackfoot and Leonard Skinners. I think I had

1128
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:09,799
Speaker 1: him on my spirit campfire recently, and if he hasn't

1129
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,560
Speaker 1: been cleaning sober all his life, he is so upbeat

1130
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 1: and so tuned in and as an Indian, as a

1131
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 1: Native American. He and I really have a bond. And

1132
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 1: I would venture to say that Ricky Medlock has never

1133
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 1: been started or drunk because he's just too tuned in.

1134
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 1: He doesn't miss nothing. In other words, I test my

1135
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: friends by just flicking a pick in the air, and

1136
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: the ones that catch it I feel. Hey. So, okay,

1137
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 1: now I've heard you talk about your guitar playing like

1138
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 1: it's a beast. Okay, okay, we're not on the air,

1139
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 1: and you're not talking about yourself. You're outside of your body.

1140
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: Often when I played my guitar, I am, by the way,

1141
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 1: I swear to God, I'm a fan of the music.

1142
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 1: Honest question, and I know you're gonna give me an

1143
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 1: honest answer. How good of a guitar player are you?

1144
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I mean, I know, I know I'm

1145
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:07,759
Speaker 1: as good. I'm as good as anybody that's ever walked

1146
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: the earth. I don't care who you mentioned. I know

1147
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 1: him all, I probably played with them all, and I'm

1148
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: I've got no reason to not believe you. There. The

1149
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 1: songs I've written are monstrosity soundtracks. Two people's lives I

1150
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 1: have who are some of the other great guitar players.

1151
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 1: There's so many. I mean my my guitar player, Derek

1152
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 1: Saint Holmes for so many years, Ricky Medlock, Billy Gibbons. Uh,

1153
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 1: Tommy Shaw. They never mentioned Tommy Shaw. He's a monster. Um.

1154
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:41,600
Speaker 1: Certainly Eddie van Halen and certainly Clapton and Page and

1155
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:45,719
Speaker 1: back and Brian may and um, Sammy Hagers and monster

1156
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 1: Sammy's guitar player, Vick Johnson's a monster. Um. Ronnie Montrose

1157
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 1: was a monster. Of course, you go back to Dick

1158
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 1: Dale and Lonnie Mack and Dwayne Eddie and Chuck Berry

1159
01:15:55,479 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 1: and Bow Diddley. Um. Obviously Jimmy Hendrix was an earth mover. Uh,

1160
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 1: there's so many monster uh. Rich who plays with Toby

1161
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 1: Keith as a monster on guitar? Uh. Some of these

1162
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 1: country guys, though their tone is horrible and they don't

1163
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 1: put them up in the mix where they belong. Brad

1164
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 1: Paisley and the funny haircut from Australia. Um, I can't

1165
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 1: think of his name right now, but they're monsters. Shmayne

1166
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 1: knows who they are. Um, and I apologize for not

1167
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 1: knowing his name. Uh. So there's guitars are such a

1168
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 1: sensual individual expression. I mean, this is I want you

1169
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 1: to play Fred bare Force. I will, But this is

1170
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 1: my electric guitar. This is my Gibson Birdland. How long

1171
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 1: have you had this guitar? Um for? Probably it looks

1172
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 1: pushing fifty years. It looks like it's been played a little.

1173
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,600
Speaker 1: And if you offered me three hundred thousand dollars, I

1174
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 1: would have to turn you down, which I already have

1175
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,560
Speaker 1: on numerous occasions. But this is a this is a

1176
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 1: really unique Truman that uh was made as a jazz

1177
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 1: guitar in Kalamazoo, Michigan. What kind of guitar is this?

1178
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 1: This is a Gibson Birdland B y R D L

1179
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 1: A N D. It's a hollow body that has the

1180
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 1: greatest tone in the world. Listen, listen how smooth you

1181
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 1: can make it sound, and then you can make it

1182
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 1: sound really nasty. Um probably looked too loud for your equivactor.

1183
01:17:49,200 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 1: It does this. It talks to me. It talks to me. Oh,

1184
01:18:26,160 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 1: here we go. There it is I'm looking for a

1185
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 1: flag to salute. Look around, there's a whole bunch of

1186
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 1: military flags that have flown over battlefield. There we go.

1187
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 1: Bright On mystical flight of the guitar. Um. That was beautiful.

1188
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 1: It's such a such an independently expressive instrument because you

1189
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 1: can bend notes and go where there're semi tones where

1190
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 1: no other instruments can go, especially with a bird land.

1191
01:20:55,520 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 1: I've cultivated the feedback sonics, the overtones, the the the

1192
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:06,560
Speaker 1: unbelievable unlimited voice of noise, and I've actually whooped it

1193
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 1: into melodies and patterns because it's so noisy, and you

1194
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 1: stand in front of an apple, it's just feedback and

1195
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 1: eat your face, which is a challenge every night. But yeah,

1196
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 1: guitars and bows and arrows, man. Yeah, it's been a beautiful,

1197
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 1: beautiful thing. Well, hey, we'll end here with a little

1198
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 1: talk about bears. Tell me, tell me, tell me where

1199
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:32,599
Speaker 1: you're You're a lifelong bear hunter all my life. Yeah,

1200
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 1: back in Michigan, you could, uh didn't even need a tag.

1201
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: You can hunt bears during the deer season. Um. And

1202
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 1: I think at one time, when they first made him

1203
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 1: a big game man, we could buy a tag over

1204
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 1: the counter for five bucks. You're going back up there

1205
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 1: this fall, Clay after seventeen years, and this is a

1206
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 1: this hearkens back to my condemnation of overreaching bureaucrats again

1207
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 1: up in the Lake County north of Baldwin, where we

1208
01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:04,480
Speaker 1: have our property and my sister lives, bears are dangerously

1209
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 1: overpopulated the nuisance bear complaints, putting them in the liability

1210
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 1: column instead of the asset column. We're supposed to have

1211
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 1: sound science. In fact, the law in Michigan, I hope

1212
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:15,719
Speaker 1: it is everywhere, is that wildlife has to be managed

1213
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 1: based on sound science. There is no sound science to

1214
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 1: be found in Michigan. You want your heartbroke. There are

1215
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:25,679
Speaker 1: so many sand hill cranes, Ribby's in the sky. Follow

1216
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:28,440
Speaker 1: me on this. I talked a moment ago about immoral

1217
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 1: laws some human beings. I'm giving them the benefit of

1218
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 1: the doubt. We're in a room in Lansing, Michigan, who

1219
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 1: have credentials in wildlife management, Natural Resource Commission, Department Natural Resources.

1220
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 1: These human beings were in a room and agreed that

1221
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 1: after years of intense and increasing complaints by the agricultural

1222
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:51,600
Speaker 1: community that the sand hill cranes were destroying millions of

1223
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:57,560
Speaker 1: dollars worth of crops each year, that they decided you

1224
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:01,640
Speaker 1: can shoot a ribby in the sky on site, but

1225
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 1: it's you're forbidden to consume them. Mm hmm. It's a disaster.

1226
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 1: That is a disaster when human beings with wildlife credentials

1227
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,840
Speaker 1: can even think in those immoral terms and then make

1228
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 1: such an immoral decrease. So let's go back to bears.

1229
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 1: So for over a dozen years the bear population has

1230
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 1: been expanding, hallelujah. And we have forensic evidence up in

1231
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:35,719
Speaker 1: the UH the I believe it's called the Turtle Club

1232
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 1: areas like acres historical going back to the early nineteen

1233
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 1: club where they's just have been ravaged by bears. There's

1234
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 1: bears everywhere and they can't draw a tag. I think

1235
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 1: they a lot on this is they a lot three

1236
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 1: tags a year. Well, they went and they did studies.

1237
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 1: They put the barbed wire in the bait, and they

1238
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 1: got the hair, and they did forensic studies and everything

1239
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: they want. You know, there's there's not thirty two bears

1240
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 1: in the place. There's three bears on the place, three

1241
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 1: tags only. So in my area, on my property, I've

1242
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: been begging nobody can have a bird in the up. No,

1243
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 1: I'm up in this northern UH the Lower Peninsula up

1244
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 1: near the Manistee National Forest Factory. Were in the Manistee

1245
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 1: National Forest. So kids are being chased home from bus stops.

1246
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 1: You see bears daylight hours. They're not afraid of humans

1247
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 1: at all. They follow your truck into the cabin. Um

1248
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 1: just just inescapable, unambiguous indicators of dangerous overpopulations. And so

1249
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 1: I finally drew a tag after seventeen years. And even

1250
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 1: though I'm just identifying the bad and the ugly part, now,

1251
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 1: the good part is that I can't wait. It's like,

1252
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:50,959
Speaker 1: is there something special about hunting anyway? Um, whether successful

1253
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 1: or not? And then there's really something special about being successful,

1254
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 1: the venison, the spirit, the sense of accomplishment. But when

1255
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 1: you I've lived a life like I have, and I've changed,

1256
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 1: you know, farmland from hayfields to towering forests that I've

1257
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 1: had I planted myself, and you kill a deer out

1258
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:14,479
Speaker 1: of a forest that you planted, it's one of the

1259
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 1: greatest joys of life. Almost on a parallel with welcoming

1260
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 1: a child into your family at birth, you know, not

1261
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 1: quite but close. Well, for all my life I've known

1262
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 1: the bears have been exploding up there, And so I

1263
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:33,640
Speaker 1: drew a tag, and I'm so excited to go out

1264
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 1: there and start my baiting legally on August and my

1265
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 1: tag is good for September, and I suspect yeah, so

1266
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm heading up there soon. So with with the population

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01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 1: of bears up there, I have a funny feeling I

1268
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:52,840
Speaker 1: can be real patient and wait for a big old

1269
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 1: bore and I'm planting on it. And my bait system

1270
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 1: is so proven with the bacon and the syrup and

1271
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 1: the dog food and the marshmallows and the beaver. I

1272
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:05,680
Speaker 1: got a bunch of beaver carcasses. So I expect to

1273
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 1: be surrounded by bears. Of course, I have the eternal optimists.

1274
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'll get skunked for a few days, but

1275
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:15,679
Speaker 1: I expect great, great things that can't wait. That's excellent.

1276
01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 1: You know we uh, we have a all end with this,

1277
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 1: and you can you can tell me what you think.

1278
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 1: The We have a phrase that we're using called guard

1279
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 1: the Gate ted, which basically bear hunting in all its forms, baiting, hounds,

1280
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:35,680
Speaker 1: spot and stop. You know we I love every one

1281
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 1: of them, and I love them equally, and they're all

1282
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 1: equally important exactly for management tools. And so I believe

1283
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 1: that in the broader spectrum of North American hunting, bear

1284
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 1: hunting and predator hunting specifically is important because it is

1285
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 1: the entry point for the anti hunting community to come

1286
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 1: into ourselves. Was proven in the trapp fiasco of the

1287
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 1: of the nineteen sixties when they would manufacture photos of

1288
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 1: a dead raccoon they find on the road that's half

1289
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:12,560
Speaker 1: you know, deteriorated. Then they clamp a foothold trap on

1290
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 1: it and claim that trapping is cruel. And because the

1291
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 1: trappers were isolated, that's that cannibalism and in breeding men

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01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:20,639
Speaker 1: talk about. Nobody from the hunting or the gun industry

1293
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:23,559
Speaker 1: came to the defense of the trappers. I immediately training

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01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 1: the National Trappers Lal, and you'll notice, Clay Nuclem that

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01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 1: you in my thousands upon thousands of interviews promoting conservation,

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01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 1: I and I think I alone, have always said hunting, fishing,

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01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 1: and trapping critical management tools for healthy balance. If you

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01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:43,759
Speaker 1: want quality wildlife and quality air, soil and water production

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01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 1: from a balanced managed habitat, so trapping is critical because

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01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:51,200
Speaker 1: it's it's the number one your entry level for the

1301
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 1: the dishonesty and the anti nature, anti hunting people. You're

1302
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 1: absolutely correct well, and and so inside the hunting space,

1303
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 1: what we're doing a Baronning magazine is trying to educate

1304
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 1: people that aren't bear hunters, that don't understand some of

1305
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 1: the management tools that we use, like dogs, like bait,

1306
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:12,680
Speaker 1: like we need those and to bring unity so that

1307
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 1: we can have those guys that love hunting, that love

1308
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:20,559
Speaker 1: North American hunting come to our aid as the anti

1309
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 1: hunting community tries to incrementally knock off pieces, I mean,

1310
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 1: just like they do in Michigan, just like they do

1311
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 1: anywhere there's a hound season. And so we have this

1312
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:32,600
Speaker 1: hashtag guard the Gate, which guard the Gate means that

1313
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:36,720
Speaker 1: we have to unify. Like so even if you're not

1314
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 1: at the whole point is even if you're not a

1315
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 1: bear hunter, Like there's guys that will never that will

1316
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 1: never hunt a bear over bait, they'll never hunt with dogs.

1317
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 1: But if they love North American hunting, if they love conservation,

1318
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 1: they need to come in and to at least give

1319
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:53,720
Speaker 1: vocal support and not tear down things that maybe they

1320
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 1: don't understand. So anyway, guard the Gate. You know, we're

1321
01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:00,839
Speaker 1: trying to We're trying to recruit the help through education,

1322
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 1: Like because man, we we nerd out about biting bears.

1323
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:07,600
Speaker 1: We nerd out about hounds, and we're introducing it to

1324
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 1: a bunch of people that would hunters that would have

1325
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:15,479
Speaker 1: no exposure to it not understand it and think that

1326
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 1: it was negative. And it's working. It's working well that

1327
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 1: you've witnessed. And if there's a battle cry, guard the gate. Hello,

1328
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 1: that's what I've been doing my whole life. And I

1329
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:30,479
Speaker 1: I saw right away because I've always trapped. I always

1330
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:32,680
Speaker 1: ran a trap line. I'm not a professional trapper, but

1331
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:36,280
Speaker 1: I started with you know, muskrats and beavers and coons

1332
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 1: and possums and skunks, and I fascinated when you approach

1333
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 1: that trap to just said it right, what do you got?

1334
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:44,920
Speaker 1: It's it's one of the greatest hunting, wildlife management, exciting

1335
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 1: fun techniques that you can indulge in. So yes, uh,

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01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 1: I would like to think that in my experience, I'm

1337
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:56,000
Speaker 1: sure I'm sure yours reflects this. That most hunters that

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01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 1: don't hunt over bait for anything, whether there's lions or

1339
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 1: bears or do or ducks. By the way, when you

1340
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 1: hunt over bait with ducks, the government allows you to

1341
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 1: hunt a flooded cornfield, but don't spill a colonel. That's

1342
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:11,080
Speaker 1: like that kind of things they've talking about. It's not

1343
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:13,760
Speaker 1: can I shoot six ducks or can't I just shut

1344
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:18,000
Speaker 1: up and leave me alone. Anyhow, bear hunting hounds and

1345
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 1: bait and expanded opportunities are one of my main battle cries.

1346
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 1: Because I don't know if you follow me closely or not.

1347
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:29,000
Speaker 1: But you know why there's a bear season in New Jersey.

1348
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 1: You know who lobbied the legislator and the Game department,

1349
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:36,720
Speaker 1: Your old buddy, Ted Nugent. I. I did that with

1350
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of New Jersey buddies of mine. And again,

1351
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 1: what was the biggest voice against US hunters that think

1352
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 1: it's unfair to anybody can put out a door and

1353
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:48,280
Speaker 1: shot the bear. Well, show me now that but you

1354
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 1: can't even use the donor I can't. You can't now

1355
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:53,760
Speaker 1: because we kept pushing so and then the Pennsylvania the

1356
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:57,280
Speaker 1: one day bear season I just hammered and hammered against.

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01:30:57,320 --> 01:30:59,000
Speaker 1: That's not a hunting trip. That's I don't know what

1358
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 1: that is, but it's not a hunt. Um so yes, absolutely,

1359
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:10,080
Speaker 1: And where I promise you this, wherever a stupid hunting

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01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:12,840
Speaker 1: law has been gotten rid of or a better law

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01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:16,760
Speaker 1: has gone in, I have a footprint there, I all

1362
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 1: fifty states, every Canadian province up in Scotland hunting the

1363
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:26,879
Speaker 1: Red Stagg in Inverness. So yes, I've always been a fighter,

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01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:29,880
Speaker 1: not just an advocate. I don't not like, I don't

1365
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:34,600
Speaker 1: mention his name. One of the biggest powerful celebrities on

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01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:38,880
Speaker 1: planet Earth lives to hunt. Not a word out of

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01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 1: him because well, I'm on it shows me hunting. Sometimes

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01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:46,760
Speaker 1: that's not it Isn't that good enough? Man? People in

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01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 1: your Hollywood community hate what we do, and you have

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01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 1: an opportunity to educate him. Tell them how fulfilling and

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01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:55,479
Speaker 1: how important it isn't balancing the hers so they're an

1372
01:31:55,479 --> 01:31:57,840
Speaker 1: asset instead of a liability thanks to the U. S

1373
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 1: d A and they the game departments. So yes, um

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01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 1: hounds in bait. The Colorado thing is California just vulgar

1375
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:11,599
Speaker 1: the anti hunting laws and what's worst of them all,

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01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 1: Just like Jack Schmidt, there's a whole bunch of game

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01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 1: wardens and game agencies out there that qualify as no

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01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:20,240
Speaker 1: soul and no conscious because they enforced laws that they

1379
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 1: know are against nature. You can't not hunt bears in

1380
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 1: California over hounds in bait, but then authorized tax dollars

1381
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 1: to go for a guy to clean up your mess

1382
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 1: for you because you didn't add adequately harvested reno Lake Taho.

1383
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 1: You're aware of all these frontline battles, so I raised

1384
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:41,519
Speaker 1: hell all I can. And then they go at Nugent's

1385
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 1: a coward, he's up in a tree, and or he's

1386
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:45,639
Speaker 1: got the hounds. Anybody can shoot a bear over hound.

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01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:49,040
Speaker 1: I'll give you five years, five years from now, you

1388
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 1: come back and tell me how many bears you hunted

1389
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:54,640
Speaker 1: over house. Nothing to you. Clime the mountain, climb the

1390
01:32:54,720 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 1: mountain and said, breast stroke through that, Marsh. I know, uh, Ted.

1391
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:05,080
Speaker 1: I appreciate your appreciate your boldness. I appreciate the strength

1392
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:07,680
Speaker 1: of identity that you have. I've always appreciated people that

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01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:12,560
Speaker 1: knew who they were, that had a super strong internal constitution,

1394
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:17,720
Speaker 1: conscience and uh and uh and then that's that's what

1395
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:22,640
Speaker 1: I've always valued about you and your your Yeah, I

1396
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:26,000
Speaker 1: can't thank you enough for for us come over here

1397
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:30,880
Speaker 1: to the culture. War started against hunting and then came

1398
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:34,160
Speaker 1: well and and part of that was anti trapping, and

1399
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:36,599
Speaker 1: they succeeded and within a year they had to hire

1400
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:38,320
Speaker 1: people to go to kill the beavers that were flooding

1401
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:40,800
Speaker 1: all the driveways and all the golf courses. But nobody

1402
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:42,760
Speaker 1: promoted that didn't hear the story and outdoor lay for

1403
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 1: field or stream or sports the field. He didn't hear

1404
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:47,040
Speaker 1: at the Pope and Young banquet, or at the Boone

1405
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 1: and Crockett banquet, or the Ducks and a limited banquet,

1406
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 1: or the finals or anybody they were. There's a lot

1407
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 1: of inbreeding going on where it. As long as I

1408
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:56,040
Speaker 1: get my dollar for the ducks, I don't want to

1409
01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 1: get involved with that. Gun rights, well then you're not

1410
01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:01,760
Speaker 1: my friend. And you can't duck hunt without guns. And

1411
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:03,519
Speaker 1: why do we have a three shell limit that was

1412
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:07,519
Speaker 1: implemented in seven during the dust ball? Why can't I

1413
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 1: shoot two pheasants but have five shells, but six ducks

1414
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:13,120
Speaker 1: don't have three shells? Well, we don't want skybusting with

1415
01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:18,840
Speaker 1: the sky busting with three shells. See if there's a

1416
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:22,519
Speaker 1: lot of these issues that are are so called leadership

1417
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:25,640
Speaker 1: is scared to death to address because they might be

1418
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:27,559
Speaker 1: called an ethico WHOA why would you need more than

1419
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:31,760
Speaker 1: three shells? Are you a game hog? If you can't

1420
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:35,600
Speaker 1: CounterPunch that nonsense, then you're not the leader of anything.

1421
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 1: And so I've seen the failure of our own guys

1422
01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:43,479
Speaker 1: step forward with all these regulations that have destroyed the

1423
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:47,560
Speaker 1: hunting culture. And I'm telling you the heartbreaking stories I

1424
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 1: hear all the time. I was busted because I forgot

1425
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:54,040
Speaker 1: to put my plug in the gun. I only had

1426
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:58,600
Speaker 1: three ducks. Mr game Warden, is this about wildlife management?

1427
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 1: He shut three ducks, He had a shell out of

1428
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 1: his gun. There was a law in nineteen thirty seven.

1429
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:07,720
Speaker 1: I want instead of giving him a ticket, go to

1430
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:11,479
Speaker 1: your boss and say change the law. I need to

1431
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:13,519
Speaker 1: shoot six ducks and I might only go a couple

1432
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:18,840
Speaker 1: of weekends a year. Leave me alone. Let me spend

1433
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:22,920
Speaker 1: the money on food, lodging, hotels, grocery supplies, tax nermus ice,

1434
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 1: gas licenses, shotgun shell Let me spend my money instead

1435
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:33,840
Speaker 1: of going no, you're you're had. I snuck a fourth

1436
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 1: shell in your gun? What is that? And I know

1437
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:41,479
Speaker 1: you thought that Chris Brackett example, that was a major offense.

1438
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 1: I want you to learn it's not a major offense.

1439
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:47,080
Speaker 1: I can I started giving you a list of major

1440
01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:49,920
Speaker 1: offenses and shooting in a duck with four shells in

1441
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:55,240
Speaker 1: your gun ain't one of turned it into that they

1442
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:59,800
Speaker 1: brainwashed us that that shooting a I don't know you.

1443
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:05,200
Speaker 1: In Pennsylvania, it's a felony to illegally shoot a deer,

1444
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 1: the same as molesting a child who doesn't see the difference.

1445
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 1: And plus what what is the everybody in Pennsylvania want

1446
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:20,760
Speaker 1: more deer killed. I'm with you. So that is a

1447
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:26,880
Speaker 1: bold leap out of the status quo mentality that we're

1448
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:29,639
Speaker 1: scared of our own shadow or your own ethical news

1449
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:32,840
Speaker 1: on ethical uses bait. He's on ethical. He killed more

1450
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:37,839
Speaker 1: deer than I did last year. Shut the I'm ethical.

1451
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:40,599
Speaker 1: I'm doing the good thing. Everything I do is based

1452
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:44,240
Speaker 1: on science. I know my habitat carrying capacity. I know

1453
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:46,880
Speaker 1: many fonds there are. I know mo much land I got.

1454
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:48,920
Speaker 1: I know what happens in January and February. I need

1455
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:51,720
Speaker 1: to kill some deer. Shut up and have a backstrap

1456
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:56,759
Speaker 1: right on. So thank you for pursuing this. I appreciate

1457
01:36:56,880 --> 01:37:00,560
Speaker 1: it because I I think getting the word, getting a

1458
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:07,919
Speaker 1: sensible word, questioning status quo, questioning tradition because the tradition

1459
01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:12,320
Speaker 1: has been bastardized. It isn't the tradition I was raised with.

1460
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:15,880
Speaker 1: November fifteenth, I got a license. I got a tag,

1461
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:19,559
Speaker 1: and I got it. Not six leave me alone? Shoot

1462
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 1: a deer? Is it over eight corns? It is over

1463
01:37:22,439 --> 01:37:25,280
Speaker 1: the spilled where the combine turned? Or did I put

1464
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:30,200
Speaker 1: the apples there? They eat apples. If I move the apples,

1465
01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:35,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't cause disease. It's apples. But it's against the law. Yeah,

1466
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:38,800
Speaker 1: it's nuts. So I can tell you stories about kids

1467
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:41,479
Speaker 1: that quit the sport because they got caught moving apples.

1468
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:48,120
Speaker 1: What is that? What is that? So thank you for

1469
01:37:48,200 --> 01:37:50,880
Speaker 1: what you do. God, bless the mighty spirit of the bear.

1470
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:55,439
Speaker 1: And I will hunt forever. I just want to go

1471
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:57,640
Speaker 1: hunt and it makes me feel so good. I just

1472
01:37:57,760 --> 01:37:59,439
Speaker 1: want to go hunt and try to find me in

1473
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:04,800
Speaker 1: the woods. Baby. That's right, thanks to Ton teds Wild

1474
01:38:04,840 --> 01:38:06,640
Speaker 1: because that's where the bears. That's the and you know,

1475
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:08,920
Speaker 1: the ultimate what I've turned most heads with. I don't

1476
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:10,519
Speaker 1: know if you heard my Joe Rogan three and a

1477
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:15,400
Speaker 1: half hour podcast, world record, world record podcast. Um, you know,

1478
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:19,559
Speaker 1: because he's gotten into hunting recently, and uh he's talking

1479
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:21,680
Speaker 1: about the vegans and they you know, they have a

1480
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:24,040
Speaker 1: they have a foundation of there. As long as they

1481
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:26,000
Speaker 1: don't eat meating, I won't no, they don't. And I

1482
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:28,479
Speaker 1: explained to him, and here you could see him for

1483
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:31,479
Speaker 1: his brow and tilt his head. As I'm explained, I go,

1484
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:33,800
Speaker 1: you know how you get to a food, don't you?

1485
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:36,880
Speaker 1: You know why crows and seagulls follow the tractor, don't you.

1486
01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:42,519
Speaker 1: The farmer's killing everything. He's dismembering everything, every shrew, every vol,

1487
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:45,439
Speaker 1: every go for, every song bird, every quail, every pheasant,

1488
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 1: every egg, every turtle, every mouse, He's killed them all.

1489
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:52,360
Speaker 1: They're the birds are following to eat the dismembered animals

1490
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:59,040
Speaker 1: that he's slaughtered by the trillions for your salad. And

1491
01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:00,840
Speaker 1: then you have a glass of wine and an animal

1492
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:03,840
Speaker 1: rights protest. Have you ever met a vineyard operator? You

1493
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 1: know what they kill to save those grapes. Everything. They

1494
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 1: have a poison drip for coons and possums and skunks

1495
01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:18,120
Speaker 1: and golfers and squirrels. They have a poison drip. You know.

1496
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:23,400
Speaker 1: I heard Shane Mahoney say that if everyone in the

1497
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:27,960
Speaker 1: United States went vegan, they would have to turn a

1498
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 1: piece of ground the size of Canada into agriculture in

1499
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:35,640
Speaker 1: order to feel that, and and how much wildlife with

1500
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:40,280
Speaker 1: that can kill everything that's dared to enter it, and

1501
01:39:40,400 --> 01:39:42,360
Speaker 1: if they don't get it with the disk and the plow,

1502
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:45,280
Speaker 1: they come back a week later with man Santo and

1503
01:39:45,400 --> 01:39:48,479
Speaker 1: anything that might have slithered back on three legs is

1504
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:53,040
Speaker 1: gonna be poisoned to death for your tofu salad. And

1505
01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:57,200
Speaker 1: Joe actually said, he goes, I never thought of it

1506
01:39:57,320 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 1: that way. Wait, that's why I'm here. And by the way,

1507
01:40:00,360 --> 01:40:05,320
Speaker 1: the sunami on my Facebook and through my office of

1508
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:08,400
Speaker 1: people that went I used to hate you because you

1509
01:40:08,479 --> 01:40:12,400
Speaker 1: were coward and killed innocent animals. I listened to Joe

1510
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:16,880
Speaker 1: Rogan and you completely woke me up. Change my mind

1511
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:19,479
Speaker 1: because I can't deny it. I can't deny the disc

1512
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:24,000
Speaker 1: didn't dismember anything. I can't deny that plow didn't dismember anything.

1513
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:28,519
Speaker 1: I can't deny that man Sano didn't poison anything. Duh.

1514
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:32,200
Speaker 1: So I think I really believe I've been I'm on

1515
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:35,800
Speaker 1: a mission of God. I see political correctness and the

1516
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:42,599
Speaker 1: denial of the urbanization of wild ground and the denial

1517
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:48,360
Speaker 1: that it creates and nurtures. And I've been a I've

1518
01:40:48,439 --> 01:40:54,280
Speaker 1: been a big giant rock of reality and people suit

1519
01:40:54,439 --> 01:41:00,840
Speaker 1: that Gary getting splashed with inescapable truisms science. So I'll

1520
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:02,880
Speaker 1: stand here, but I'm a I'm a keeper of the gate,

1521
01:41:03,680 --> 01:41:05,240
Speaker 1: keeper of the gate. Thank you, and thank you for

1522
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:08,240
Speaker 1: making this long trip. But yeah, you gotta hear Fred Bearer.

1523
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:12,320
Speaker 1: That's right, don't you. Yeah, you've got the energy for it.

1524
01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:18,479
Speaker 1: In the time you think, all right, the song, what

1525
01:41:18,680 --> 01:41:22,280
Speaker 1: year do you write this? Well? What a story? So

1526
01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:25,679
Speaker 1: I met Fred about nineteen fifty four, nineteen fifty five

1527
01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:27,599
Speaker 1: on our angel trip nor Yeah, you were just six

1528
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:33,640
Speaker 1: seven years old. And he wasn't anybody. He just had

1529
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:37,360
Speaker 1: a little shock, said bar archery over the top. Literally,

1530
01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:41,120
Speaker 1: it was kind of a yellowish cinder block shock. The

1531
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:44,200
Speaker 1: buildings still up there, I don't think so, huh. And

1532
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:46,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't greatly And my dad, you know, it's just

1533
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:49,719
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, we'll stop at the Fred Bear shack.

1534
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:52,519
Speaker 1: And we stopped and meet this tall, lanky guy. Every year.

1535
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:56,479
Speaker 1: What what a story? And if I was already a

1536
01:41:56,760 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 1: bow and arrow maniac kid, and my whole life was

1537
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:02,599
Speaker 1: bows and arrows and guitars every day down to the river,

1538
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:08,240
Speaker 1: shooting critters and shooting stumps and clumps of dirt and

1539
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:11,600
Speaker 1: going to Miller's feed store and smelling the grain and

1540
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:17,200
Speaker 1: the beautiful new artistic recurves on the wall over the years.

1541
01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:19,559
Speaker 1: And then I started realizing, I'm stopping at this place,

1542
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:21,360
Speaker 1: and that's Fred Barry. He's on the cover of True

1543
01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:24,639
Speaker 1: magazine with a grizzly bear. Wow, it's quite a bow.

1544
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:26,599
Speaker 1: And he has like the Chuck Berry of archery man.

1545
01:42:27,439 --> 01:42:30,559
Speaker 1: So I started becoming a little giddy, and I couldn't

1546
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:32,599
Speaker 1: wait to get up there. And Fred was so kind,

1547
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:37,040
Speaker 1: such a gentleman, such a loving, funny guy. And we'd

1548
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:39,880
Speaker 1: go to the grailing restaurant. He'd ordered cherry pie and

1549
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:42,080
Speaker 1: chocolate milk, and I'd have cherry pie chocolate milk and

1550
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:43,560
Speaker 1: were able to you know, I was too young to

1551
01:42:43,640 --> 01:42:48,600
Speaker 1: really engage in any meaningful dialogue, but I was. And

1552
01:42:48,680 --> 01:42:51,720
Speaker 1: then eventually my dad, who ended up working for a

1553
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:54,880
Speaker 1: sweetish steel company, you know, worked with Fred because we

1554
01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:57,960
Speaker 1: stopped you they were friends, and my dad ended up

1555
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:00,360
Speaker 1: in a way working for Bear Archery Produce. Seen the

1556
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:04,080
Speaker 1: Cold Road blue tempered spring steel that went into the

1557
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:08,080
Speaker 1: bare bleeder blade of the razorhead. What a great thing, huh,

1558
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:10,840
Speaker 1: What a great connection. So I couldn't wait to go

1559
01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:15,840
Speaker 1: north to see Fred more than even bow hunting, and

1560
01:43:16,479 --> 01:43:18,760
Speaker 1: I was not a very good bow hunter when it

1561
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:20,800
Speaker 1: came to deer, but I was pretty deadly on the

1562
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:25,439
Speaker 1: river rats. And so eventually when I moved to Chicago,

1563
01:43:26,200 --> 01:43:30,000
Speaker 1: uh my dad was transferred in sixty five, so st

1564
01:43:30,280 --> 01:43:32,800
Speaker 1: and sixty six in Chicago. I graduated six or seven,

1565
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:35,400
Speaker 1: came right back to Michigan with the amboy Dukes, and

1566
01:43:35,680 --> 01:43:37,880
Speaker 1: I went up to Grain and now it's not a shock.

1567
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:40,719
Speaker 1: It's the biggest archery company on the planet, this huge museum,

1568
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:42,479
Speaker 1: and I couldn't wait to get back up that. I

1569
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:45,680
Speaker 1: reintroduced myself and I'm a long haired rock and roller now.

1570
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:48,800
Speaker 1: And Fred was a little office, you know, because there's

1571
01:43:49,439 --> 01:43:52,000
Speaker 1: a perceived image that's looking right behind you. Look at that.

1572
01:43:52,040 --> 01:43:54,000
Speaker 1: Where do we go runner? Oh wow, he's right on

1573
01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:56,200
Speaker 1: the right in the porch, right on the porch. And

1574
01:43:56,439 --> 01:43:59,240
Speaker 1: uh so I had to kind of reconvinced Fred that

1575
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:01,680
Speaker 1: I was okay, because he thought rocket roll dope and

1576
01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:04,919
Speaker 1: drugs and goofballs. But he told me in a subsequent

1577
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:07,040
Speaker 1: meeting that all his buddy says, no, no, no, This

1578
01:44:07,240 --> 01:44:09,760
Speaker 1: nugent guy shoots his bow and arrow on stage and

1579
01:44:09,880 --> 01:44:12,840
Speaker 1: he's always raving about clean and sober, and he's pro

1580
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:15,360
Speaker 1: law enforcement. When the hippies want to off the pigs,

1581
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:17,600
Speaker 1: he goes, you gotta this guy's all right. And he

1582
01:44:18,160 --> 01:44:21,639
Speaker 1: always promotes the mystical flight of the arrow. He talks

1583
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:24,880
Speaker 1: about it in Rocket Roll interviews. And so Fred mentioned

1584
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:27,680
Speaker 1: that he heard that long story short. So I hunt

1585
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:30,280
Speaker 1: with him every year, couldn't wait to get up there

1586
01:44:30,640 --> 01:44:34,519
Speaker 1: to Rose City at Grouse Haven, and uh in sixty

1587
01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:37,240
Speaker 1: and eight seven I was up there with him and

1588
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:41,160
Speaker 1: all his reps were there, the bar archery people, and

1589
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:43,280
Speaker 1: we went for walks when everybody else went hunt and

1590
01:44:43,320 --> 01:44:46,720
Speaker 1: Fred didn't hunt those last couple of years. Um. And

1591
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:48,920
Speaker 1: he had the oxygen bottle with him everywhere, and we

1592
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:51,160
Speaker 1: went for walks down the lane at Grouse Haven. We're

1593
01:44:51,200 --> 01:44:54,439
Speaker 1: just talking and talking, and he shared with me Clay

1594
01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:56,320
Speaker 1: that he said, you know, I go to all these

1595
01:44:56,400 --> 01:44:59,640
Speaker 1: sporting events and they all know that. Uh, you know,

1596
01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:03,439
Speaker 1: I started bar archery in Michigan, and anybody under forty,

1597
01:45:03,479 --> 01:45:05,559
Speaker 1: all they want to know is if I know Ted Doogon,

1598
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:09,599
Speaker 1: Because I had trying to brought visibility to bone arrow

1599
01:45:09,640 --> 01:45:12,800
Speaker 1: with flaming arrows on stage. Crazy antics and stuff. But

1600
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:15,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna promote something, That's how you do it, I think,

1601
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:20,800
Speaker 1: And and then always talking about my hunting trips and

1602
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:23,760
Speaker 1: backstraps and and so he said, you just keep what

1603
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:25,960
Speaker 1: you're doing. And he says, I've also heard the critics.

1604
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:28,920
Speaker 1: People thought you made a mistake by saying whack him

1605
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:31,320
Speaker 1: and stack them. But what does that mean, kill him

1606
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:35,000
Speaker 1: and butcher them? Or semantics? He goes to young people,

1607
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:38,040
Speaker 1: that turns them on. It shows that you're having fun.

1608
01:45:38,680 --> 01:45:40,600
Speaker 1: What's wrong with whack and stack? How about if I

1609
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:44,320
Speaker 1: just harvest in skin? What what the hell's the difference?

1610
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:47,160
Speaker 1: But you you go ahead and be uh, you go

1611
01:45:47,240 --> 01:45:51,920
Speaker 1: ahead and be uh um uh Wayne Newton, I'll be

1612
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:56,200
Speaker 1: Chuck berry um. And so we spent that last October

1613
01:45:56,280 --> 01:45:59,800
Speaker 1: together for about a week, and then the next spring

1614
01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:03,759
Speaker 1: he died and I went out to do my chores

1615
01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:08,120
Speaker 1: one day, and we're all shattered at his death. It

1616
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:11,800
Speaker 1: was just it was just unbelievable because he made such

1617
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:15,320
Speaker 1: an imprint on everybody. He's a great, great man. Did

1618
01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:18,040
Speaker 1: you ever meet him? Well, you're going to meet him

1619
01:46:18,120 --> 01:46:21,559
Speaker 1: right now. And so I went out to do my chores.

1620
01:46:22,040 --> 01:46:28,960
Speaker 1: I had my dog, biscuits, my Irish setters porch. I

1621
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:30,560
Speaker 1: went and I grabbed the guitar, and I just I

1622
01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:33,000
Speaker 1: didn't know. I had no idea, I wasn't thinking of Fred.

1623
01:46:33,960 --> 01:46:40,080
Speaker 1: I just sat down, I went I always played killer

1624
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:42,320
Speaker 1: licks when I picked up the guitar, but I never

1625
01:46:42,360 --> 01:46:50,920
Speaker 1: played one like this before. There I was back in

1626
01:46:51,160 --> 01:46:57,320
Speaker 1: a while again, and I felt right at home where

1627
01:46:57,400 --> 01:47:05,360
Speaker 1: I belong. And I had that feeling coming over me again,

1628
01:47:07,880 --> 01:47:14,879
Speaker 1: just like it happened so many times before, so many times.

1629
01:47:27,800 --> 01:47:30,840
Speaker 1: The spirit of the woods, he is like an old

1630
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:40,960
Speaker 1: good friend, makes me feel warm and good inside. I

1631
01:47:41,200 --> 01:47:47,759
Speaker 1: know his name. It's good to see him again because

1632
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:53,840
Speaker 1: in the wind he's still a live talking about Fred Bear.

1633
01:47:54,560 --> 01:48:00,400
Speaker 1: Walk with me down the trails again and take me back,

1634
01:48:01,200 --> 01:48:08,759
Speaker 1: take me back. I've a long Fred Bear. I'm glad

1635
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:13,120
Speaker 1: to have you with my side, my friend, and I

1636
01:48:13,200 --> 01:48:17,120
Speaker 1: will join you on the big hunt before too long.

1637
01:48:22,400 --> 01:48:37,400
Speaker 1: M h. And it was kind of dark, another misty dusk,

1638
01:48:40,360 --> 01:48:46,479
Speaker 1: and it came from a tangle down below. And I tried.

1639
01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:51,200
Speaker 1: I tried to remember everything he taught me so well.

1640
01:48:53,960 --> 01:49:01,200
Speaker 1: I had to decide which way to go. Was I

1641
01:49:01,280 --> 01:49:08,040
Speaker 1: alone or in a hunter's dream? The moment of truth

1642
01:49:08,840 --> 01:49:15,920
Speaker 1: is here, and now I felt his touch, I felt

1643
01:49:16,120 --> 01:49:22,200
Speaker 1: his guide in hand, and the buckar was mine for

1644
01:49:22,520 --> 01:49:29,519
Speaker 1: evermore because of Fred Bear. I still walk down those

1645
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:35,400
Speaker 1: trails again. He takes me back, takes me back. I

1646
01:49:35,880 --> 01:49:42,160
Speaker 1: be long, fred Fred Bear. I'm glad to have you

1647
01:49:42,360 --> 01:49:47,240
Speaker 1: in beside, my friend, and I will join you on

1648
01:49:47,560 --> 01:50:32,400
Speaker 1: the big hunt before too long. And we're not alone

1649
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:39,200
Speaker 1: when we're in the great outdoors. We got his spirit,

1650
01:50:39,680 --> 01:50:47,280
Speaker 1: we got his soul, and he GUIDs my steps. Guid's

1651
01:50:47,400 --> 01:50:56,160
Speaker 1: my arrows home. The restless spirit for ever roams, and

1652
01:50:56,320 --> 01:51:00,760
Speaker 1: it roams with Fred Bear. When I walk down those

1653
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:07,719
Speaker 1: trails again, he takes me back, takes me back. I belong,

1654
01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:14,799
Speaker 1: fred Bear. I'm glad to have you with my side,

1655
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:19,639
Speaker 1: my friend, and I will join you on the big

1656
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:26,439
Speaker 1: hunt before too long. Because in the wind, he's still

1657
01:51:27,160 --> 01:51:37,880
Speaker 1: alive in the wind, He's still alive in the wind.

1658
01:51:40,360 --> 01:51:48,640
Speaker 1: I can hear. I hear Fred Bear. I hear you,

1659
01:51:48,760 --> 01:51:54,600
Speaker 1: fred Hey, fred Let's go hunt, buddy, Calm, you go

1660
01:51:54,720 --> 01:51:58,719
Speaker 1: up that ridge. I'll go down to the swamp. Baby,

1661
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:45,840
Speaker 1: give that book right on. I this bump, I sang it.

1662
01:52:47,560 --> 01:52:50,920
Speaker 1: I sang it. Then I had to go back and

1663
01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:53,600
Speaker 1: remember what I sang. And I never played any of

1664
01:52:53,640 --> 01:53:00,719
Speaker 1: that great lick So that's that spirit of the wild

1665
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:06,240
Speaker 1: I do believe and that song you you you can

1666
01:53:06,360 --> 01:53:11,400
Speaker 1: only imagine what people have said about this song, feuding

1667
01:53:11,640 --> 01:53:14,439
Speaker 1: families that heard it in different parts of the country

1668
01:53:14,520 --> 01:53:19,400
Speaker 1: that got back together. Chris Campbell of the United States

1669
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:23,599
Speaker 1: Navy Seals, whose last request was for me to play

1670
01:53:23,640 --> 01:53:27,960
Speaker 1: it at his funeral, and I was all set to

1671
01:53:28,040 --> 01:53:30,040
Speaker 1: go do it at the request of Marcus the trial,

1672
01:53:30,880 --> 01:53:36,440
Speaker 1: Barack Obama told me I couldn't come. M and thousands

1673
01:53:37,160 --> 01:53:41,559
Speaker 1: of people, especially these kids. If you go to my face,

1674
01:53:41,880 --> 01:53:43,240
Speaker 1: you gotta go to my faith. You want to know

1675
01:53:43,280 --> 01:53:44,680
Speaker 1: what the hunting world thinks. You want to know what

1676
01:53:44,760 --> 01:53:47,320
Speaker 1: the non hunting world thinks. My Facebook. It's the only

1677
01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:50,320
Speaker 1: place you're gonna find out. Yeah, three and a half

1678
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:52,479
Speaker 1: three point seven million. I just did an interview I

1679
01:53:52,560 --> 01:53:58,000
Speaker 1: had before November. I had between eighteen million and thirty

1680
01:53:58,080 --> 01:54:04,120
Speaker 1: six million Facebook reach every day, thirty six million after

1681
01:54:04,160 --> 01:54:11,480
Speaker 1: the election, three point seven Google Boys, Zuckerburger's sensors, Marxists.

1682
01:54:12,200 --> 01:54:14,519
Speaker 1: But still with all those three point seven go to

1683
01:54:14,640 --> 01:54:18,519
Speaker 1: my Facebook and listen to the wonderfully supportive comments. I

1684
01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:20,240
Speaker 1: don't hunt, but I think it's great. I wish I

1685
01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:22,400
Speaker 1: could get some venit. You know, I'm a hunter, but

1686
01:54:22,479 --> 01:54:24,160
Speaker 1: I never bow hunter? How do I do? What kind

1687
01:54:24,200 --> 01:54:27,080
Speaker 1: of what do I get? It's unbelievable. It's to me,

1688
01:54:27,200 --> 01:54:32,920
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, baby, recruit retain. You know there's a

1689
01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:35,440
Speaker 1: there's a verse in that song where it says, I'll

1690
01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:38,440
Speaker 1: join you in the big hunt before too long. Verse.

1691
01:54:39,160 --> 01:54:42,120
Speaker 1: Does a seventy two year old Ted Nugent think about

1692
01:54:42,760 --> 01:54:47,360
Speaker 1: think about death very rarely, only in perspective of my family,

1693
01:54:47,760 --> 01:54:51,240
Speaker 1: because my kids the showering me with love, and every

1694
01:54:51,320 --> 01:54:53,760
Speaker 1: year I see an increase in showering of love because

1695
01:54:53,800 --> 01:54:55,880
Speaker 1: they know that there's a lot of guys my age dying.

1696
01:54:56,760 --> 01:55:00,400
Speaker 1: But I'm so focused on living and I take really

1697
01:55:00,440 --> 01:55:02,360
Speaker 1: good care of myself. But you never know. Lightning can

1698
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:06,480
Speaker 1: strike in any various fashion, whether it's Chinese communist viruses

1699
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:09,560
Speaker 1: or some dirtbag drunk driver that's been let out after

1700
01:55:09,680 --> 01:55:13,320
Speaker 1: twenty times. Um though I'll probably Dodgeman then shoot him.

1701
01:55:13,880 --> 01:55:20,080
Speaker 1: Uh so. So I I'm well aware of mortality because

1702
01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:22,320
Speaker 1: I think it's a pistor because we're building a house,

1703
01:55:22,400 --> 01:55:24,680
Speaker 1: so I have at least I'm seventy two. I want

1704
01:55:24,680 --> 01:55:26,160
Speaker 1: to live to at least be a hundred, so I

1705
01:55:26,240 --> 01:55:29,360
Speaker 1: got like twenty five more opening days to go. Because

1706
01:55:29,360 --> 01:55:31,480
Speaker 1: I'm managing my deer, and every year I pass up

1707
01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:34,000
Speaker 1: these button bucks, and because I have so much unlimited

1708
01:55:34,040 --> 01:55:36,280
Speaker 1: time to hunt, I can pass up three year old

1709
01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:39,640
Speaker 1: one thirties not easy for an old Detroit bow hunter.

1710
01:55:40,120 --> 01:55:43,280
Speaker 1: But since I have so many opportunities, I wait for

1711
01:55:43,360 --> 01:55:45,440
Speaker 1: older deer. Most of the time I might see a

1712
01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:48,839
Speaker 1: squirrely one that's young that I think is an inferior genetic.

1713
01:55:49,480 --> 01:55:53,160
Speaker 1: We're talking open ground, not just my my, my exotic

1714
01:55:53,400 --> 01:55:55,640
Speaker 1: wildlife ranch. Here. By the way, I gotta comment on that,

1715
01:55:55,720 --> 01:55:58,920
Speaker 1: because that's the that's the impetus of a lot of

1716
01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:03,960
Speaker 1: hate out there. H Fence hunting facts, A guy who

1717
01:56:04,200 --> 01:56:09,200
Speaker 1: lives this stuff and understands Manistee National Force, the Sudan Wild,

1718
01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:15,040
Speaker 1: Kansas Wild, California Wild, South Dakota Wild, Nebraska Wild, Texas,

1719
01:56:15,120 --> 01:56:16,880
Speaker 1: South Texas. Have you ever hunted white tailed deer in

1720
01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:21,320
Speaker 1: South Texas? Dumbest creatures that walk the earth. And if

1721
01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:23,960
Speaker 1: you really get frustrated and get skunk too often, find

1722
01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:26,440
Speaker 1: a place in South Texas and spillshop corn and you

1723
01:56:26,480 --> 01:56:30,360
Speaker 1: can probably kill him with a spoon. Maybe I'm exaggerating

1724
01:56:30,360 --> 01:56:33,920
Speaker 1: a little bit, but my point being is that the

1725
01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:38,880
Speaker 1: Illinois deer our hunt our way dumber than the deer

1726
01:56:38,920 --> 01:56:43,400
Speaker 1: I was raised on. The Michigan deer are maniac radar freaks.

1727
01:56:44,080 --> 01:56:46,839
Speaker 1: There'll there'll be half a mile away, and a cardinal

1728
01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:50,680
Speaker 1: will cause them to spook. I mean, not a bishop

1729
01:56:50,720 --> 01:56:54,560
Speaker 1: for a cardinal talk about a red bird. My point is,

1730
01:56:54,640 --> 01:56:57,120
Speaker 1: here's the facts of life. I kept journals for years.

1731
01:56:59,760 --> 01:57:05,600
Speaker 1: High fence deer hunting or exotic hunting. The fence plays

1732
01:57:06,560 --> 01:57:13,000
Speaker 1: zero role in killing an animal. Zero. My experiences bow

1733
01:57:13,120 --> 01:57:18,440
Speaker 1: hunting in the Manistee National Force Acre Martian, Michigan, no fences.

1734
01:57:19,640 --> 01:57:23,520
Speaker 1: It's the exact same thing as spirit wild ramps. Three acres,

1735
01:57:23,600 --> 01:57:30,320
Speaker 1: high fence, right place, right time, wind, sun patterning, some feed,

1736
01:57:30,680 --> 01:57:33,360
Speaker 1: some food plots and some corn and stuff like that.

1737
01:57:33,480 --> 01:57:38,120
Speaker 1: On occasion. If it didn't fulfill me, I wouldn't do it.

1738
01:57:38,600 --> 01:57:41,879
Speaker 1: I hunted the Sudan no fences. I had a Zimbabwe,

1739
01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:45,120
Speaker 1: no fence, of South Africa, Olympopo, no fences. I hunted

1740
01:57:45,320 --> 01:57:50,280
Speaker 1: Rix and Gemsbach there and I hunt him here, zero difference.

1741
01:57:51,120 --> 01:57:55,000
Speaker 1: Either they show up or they don't. Either they turn

1742
01:57:55,160 --> 01:57:59,800
Speaker 1: broadside within thirty yards or they don't. It's not like

1743
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:05,440
Speaker 1: the you corner them. I'm telling you high fence hunting.

1744
01:58:05,600 --> 01:58:08,840
Speaker 1: I suppose there might be some words a canned hunt

1745
01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:12,320
Speaker 1: where they raise In fact, I I hunted a breeder operation.

1746
01:58:12,520 --> 01:58:14,200
Speaker 1: Did you see the spirit of the wild last couple

1747
01:58:14,240 --> 01:58:16,280
Speaker 1: of weeks where Shamaine and I were invited to this

1748
01:58:16,400 --> 01:58:19,320
Speaker 1: breeder operation with these guys that were these these genetic

1749
01:58:19,640 --> 01:58:23,440
Speaker 1: freak free uttertage, funny dear like props of a horror movie.

1750
01:58:24,200 --> 01:58:28,400
Speaker 1: Now am I a purest? Yeah? That's my guitar, that's

1751
01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:31,960
Speaker 1: my amp, and these are my fingers, that's my grip

1752
01:58:32,040 --> 01:58:35,000
Speaker 1: hand on the bow, this is my drawing hand, and

1753
01:58:35,200 --> 01:58:37,560
Speaker 1: this is where I need to put that arrow. That's pure.

1754
01:58:38,480 --> 01:58:40,920
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's my old longbow or if

1755
01:58:40,920 --> 01:58:47,000
Speaker 1: it's my state of the art Matthews hand draw aim release,

1756
01:58:48,920 --> 01:58:56,120
Speaker 1: pure pure archery, my bow hunting, a spirit wild ranch

1757
01:58:56,560 --> 01:58:59,320
Speaker 1: for these gems back and oh a Dad and black

1758
01:58:59,400 --> 01:59:03,400
Speaker 1: buck and axis and fallow and psycha and white tails

1759
01:59:03,440 --> 01:59:11,920
Speaker 1: and turkeys and hogs, no difference. What's so ever? Then

1760
01:59:12,640 --> 01:59:15,760
Speaker 1: outside the fence, In fact that my journal proved that

1761
01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:19,080
Speaker 1: my house, my my no fence hunting was way more

1762
01:59:19,160 --> 01:59:25,120
Speaker 1: productive than my high fence hunting. There's a you gotta

1763
01:59:25,200 --> 01:59:27,560
Speaker 1: walk further to your stag because they're here TODAYMN truck.

1764
01:59:28,200 --> 01:59:30,240
Speaker 1: My point, I went to a breeder operation. This old

1765
01:59:30,280 --> 01:59:32,680
Speaker 1: guy loves what I do. Is thanks for standing up

1766
01:59:32,680 --> 01:59:35,840
Speaker 1: for our constitutional law and order. I raised giant white tails.

1767
01:59:35,840 --> 01:59:37,760
Speaker 1: Would like to come and hunt the place I went? Well,

1768
01:59:37,800 --> 01:59:39,560
Speaker 1: I do not, don't really want to hunt the place

1769
01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:42,720
Speaker 1: if they're pen raised animals, but I'd love to see it.

1770
01:59:42,880 --> 01:59:45,800
Speaker 1: Even though I'm a purist. I would rather shoot a

1771
01:59:45,920 --> 01:59:50,720
Speaker 1: wild ten inch three by three than a guy that

1772
01:59:50,840 --> 01:59:53,200
Speaker 1: raised the three because it doesn't seem like deer hunting

1773
01:59:53,240 --> 01:59:55,840
Speaker 1: to me. It looks like a deer. Well those two things.

1774
01:59:55,880 --> 01:59:58,080
Speaker 1: People would get confused. I'd hear half fence and think

1775
01:59:58,320 --> 02:00:00,200
Speaker 1: that's what they think, but that's not what is. But

1776
02:00:00,320 --> 02:00:02,720
Speaker 1: we did go there, so he's gotten. He's got. You

1777
02:00:02,840 --> 02:00:05,360
Speaker 1: gotta think six d acres. But a lot of them

1778
02:00:05,360 --> 02:00:09,160
Speaker 1: are breeding pets. But it's a fascinating agriculture. Pursuits the

1779
02:00:09,240 --> 02:00:13,320
Speaker 1: fastest growing agricroach in the world, and again they're learning

1780
02:00:13,520 --> 02:00:18,240
Speaker 1: that yeah is this. It's cute and different and exciting

1781
02:00:18,280 --> 02:00:20,680
Speaker 1: to see that much horn show up like the stags

1782
02:00:20,720 --> 02:00:23,400
Speaker 1: in New Zealand that they raised for just here mass

1783
02:00:24,480 --> 02:00:26,200
Speaker 1: But I had to tell you. We went there and

1784
02:00:26,280 --> 02:00:27,840
Speaker 1: I did a show. I wish you would have seen

1785
02:00:27,880 --> 02:00:30,600
Speaker 1: it because I articulated, you know, I have a buddy

1786
02:00:30,600 --> 02:00:35,040
Speaker 1: of mine he uh had he's been genetically modifying large

1787
02:00:35,120 --> 02:00:37,320
Speaker 1: mouth bass for a long time and the state buys

1788
02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:39,480
Speaker 1: him from him down Florida and Texas and a bunch

1789
02:00:39,480 --> 02:00:41,480
Speaker 1: of other places. And he asked, would you like to

1790
02:00:41,520 --> 02:00:44,520
Speaker 1: catch a ten pound bass? On? Yeah, I've never caught

1791
02:00:44,520 --> 02:00:47,000
Speaker 1: a ten pouty yet, let's go do it. So I

1792
02:00:47,400 --> 02:00:48,840
Speaker 1: had to get the right lure and I threw it

1793
02:00:48,880 --> 02:00:50,320
Speaker 1: in there and I caught him, and I just kind

1794
02:00:50,360 --> 02:00:52,680
Speaker 1: of fishing the barrel because it's they feed him and

1795
02:00:52,720 --> 02:00:55,680
Speaker 1: they're genetically modified. But it was huge and might pull

1796
02:00:55,800 --> 02:00:58,240
Speaker 1: bet over. It was exciting, and he invited me to

1797
02:00:58,320 --> 02:01:00,560
Speaker 1: catch the ten pound bass. So maybe it's a little

1798
02:01:00,600 --> 02:01:04,120
Speaker 1: more exciting to catch a you know, a hand sized

1799
02:01:04,160 --> 02:01:06,640
Speaker 1: blue gill out of my natural lake in Michigan. But

1800
02:01:06,800 --> 02:01:09,840
Speaker 1: I had fun catching that genetically modified basht It was

1801
02:01:10,040 --> 02:01:12,280
Speaker 1: huge and look at that bucket mouth and net belly

1802
02:01:12,320 --> 02:01:14,560
Speaker 1: hanging there. Well, I thought, alright, a guy does the

1803
02:01:14,640 --> 02:01:17,120
Speaker 1: same thing with the white tailed deer. Yeah, let's let's

1804
02:01:17,120 --> 02:01:19,240
Speaker 1: go do that. So Chamaine and I climbed in the

1805
02:01:19,280 --> 02:01:20,920
Speaker 1: tree and we put out the feet that they're used to.

1806
02:01:21,080 --> 02:01:23,720
Speaker 1: We waited and we waited. It's like we waited on

1807
02:01:23,800 --> 02:01:29,880
Speaker 1: the swamp and we waited nothing. Well, maybe tomorrow, so

1808
02:01:30,040 --> 02:01:32,600
Speaker 1: we went back the next day. We did this. We

1809
02:01:33,080 --> 02:01:35,040
Speaker 1: had to get the wind, didn't what the sun on

1810
02:01:35,120 --> 02:01:37,720
Speaker 1: our face, which Texas hunters need to learn. Don't look

1811
02:01:37,800 --> 02:01:40,560
Speaker 1: in the east in the morning, don't look in the

1812
02:01:40,640 --> 02:01:42,520
Speaker 1: west in the afternoon. Just a little tip from look

1813
02:01:42,520 --> 02:01:47,640
Speaker 1: of that. Anyhow, my point is we both shot atrocities,

1814
02:01:47,760 --> 02:01:54,280
Speaker 1: just three D plus ech things. But I've shot dear

1815
02:01:54,480 --> 02:02:00,160
Speaker 1: quicker and easier on the open ground. So be as

1816
02:02:00,200 --> 02:02:03,520
Speaker 1: it's easy in South Texas or in Illinois, and next

1817
02:02:03,600 --> 02:02:05,640
Speaker 1: to the game preserving the first preserve, you're not allowed

1818
02:02:05,680 --> 02:02:07,440
Speaker 1: to hunt. They take our tax dollars and shoot the deer.

1819
02:02:07,960 --> 02:02:11,520
Speaker 1: Welcome to Illinois, Welcome to America. But I hunt him

1820
02:02:11,520 --> 02:02:15,040
Speaker 1: in there and relaxed. I still got to still use

1821
02:02:15,080 --> 02:02:16,680
Speaker 1: the wind, still use the sun, and I still have

1822
02:02:16,840 --> 02:02:18,120
Speaker 1: the camera, and I still to make sure I got

1823
02:02:18,160 --> 02:02:22,839
Speaker 1: my stilo waker all of pure here's the word pure

1824
02:02:23,640 --> 02:02:27,160
Speaker 1: deer hunting at my buddy's place in Illinois. Dumb deer?

1825
02:02:28,600 --> 02:02:31,040
Speaker 1: Did I like it? I could use a dumb deer

1826
02:02:31,080 --> 02:02:38,840
Speaker 1: every once in a while. So that contentious debate is

1827
02:02:40,040 --> 02:02:46,200
Speaker 1: the the The anti high fence guys are presumptuous and

1828
02:02:46,320 --> 02:02:48,560
Speaker 1: everyone every time they go add it's fishing a barrel,

1829
02:02:48,560 --> 02:02:50,720
Speaker 1: and I go, really, share with me your last high

1830
02:02:50,760 --> 02:02:54,960
Speaker 1: fence experience. Well I've never done it. Well, then shut up.

1831
02:02:55,960 --> 02:02:58,840
Speaker 1: You don't like you don't like posta, but you've never

1832
02:02:59,000 --> 02:03:01,480
Speaker 1: had it, Then you don't know if you like it

1833
02:03:01,640 --> 02:03:03,880
Speaker 1: or not. You don't you don't qualify as an argument.

1834
02:03:04,680 --> 02:03:10,080
Speaker 1: So high fence originated in South Africa because the animals

1835
02:03:10,120 --> 02:03:13,920
Speaker 1: would migrate to agriculture and the agriculture concerns would slaughter

1836
02:03:14,000 --> 02:03:16,880
Speaker 1: them to safety agriculture. So some guys wanted kudu and

1837
02:03:16,960 --> 02:03:20,000
Speaker 1: game's bocket and yalla and wildebees and the zebras and stuff,

1838
02:03:20,040 --> 02:03:21,840
Speaker 1: so they put up high fence so they wouldn't migrate

1839
02:03:21,840 --> 02:03:25,640
Speaker 1: and get slaughtered. And then they obviously expanded in populations.

1840
02:03:25,720 --> 02:03:28,320
Speaker 1: Phenomenal miracle. They have babies every year, so you have

1841
02:03:28,440 --> 02:03:32,240
Speaker 1: to harvest the surplus. I e. Basic science science, wildlife management.

1842
02:03:32,560 --> 02:03:37,920
Speaker 1: But when you've got escape habitat, whether that habit that

1843
02:03:38,240 --> 02:03:43,000
Speaker 1: escape is limited by the highways in Columbus, Ohio, or

1844
02:03:43,120 --> 02:03:46,480
Speaker 1: the parking lot of the school in Columbus, Ohio, or

1845
02:03:46,600 --> 02:03:49,560
Speaker 1: this cul de Sac neighborhood. And you've got a little

1846
02:03:49,640 --> 02:03:53,520
Speaker 1: patch of woods in Columbus, Ohio, two hundred inch deer

1847
02:03:53,720 --> 02:03:58,879
Speaker 1: killers there's no fence. But all those can control factors

1848
02:03:58,960 --> 02:04:05,320
Speaker 1: are fences, not your point. And the the easiest deer

1849
02:04:05,400 --> 02:04:08,480
Speaker 1: on the planet ourselves. So should I not hunt there

1850
02:04:08,480 --> 02:04:11,320
Speaker 1: because they're easy? You know? I think, I think that

1851
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:14,400
Speaker 1: what you're tapping into, I see, I see your point.

1852
02:04:14,720 --> 02:04:18,480
Speaker 1: I think what people don't like is the guy that's

1853
02:04:18,520 --> 02:04:22,160
Speaker 1: that kills a big deer in high fence, that puts

1854
02:04:22,360 --> 02:04:24,720
Speaker 1: the book or something right. Yeah, I mean that that's

1855
02:04:24,920 --> 02:04:27,920
Speaker 1: that's obviously what what gets them in trouble, or the

1856
02:04:28,040 --> 02:04:31,280
Speaker 1: or the or the guy that doesn't do any other

1857
02:04:31,440 --> 02:04:34,760
Speaker 1: type of hunting. And quite honestly, the guy that's in

1858
02:04:34,840 --> 02:04:38,960
Speaker 1: a high fence. And these deer are acclimated to human activity.

1859
02:04:39,040 --> 02:04:42,560
Speaker 1: Though I stopped myself already, I got buddies over in Uvaldi.

1860
02:04:42,880 --> 02:04:45,840
Speaker 1: Were these wild deer no fences, They come up and

1861
02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:51,440
Speaker 1: eat off the porch, right, So that's not fair. I'd

1862
02:04:51,480 --> 02:04:53,880
Speaker 1: like to feed the deer. What's not fair about feeding

1863
02:04:53,920 --> 02:04:55,480
Speaker 1: the deer? Why? I'm not going to shoot the deer

1864
02:04:55,560 --> 02:04:57,560
Speaker 1: from the porch. And if you did, I think you'd

1865
02:04:57,600 --> 02:05:00,720
Speaker 1: be a dirt bag. But if that big giant deer

1866
02:05:00,760 --> 02:05:03,080
Speaker 1: that you've waited for five years to shoot shows up

1867
02:05:03,120 --> 02:05:07,400
Speaker 1: at your stand, there's no fence, but it was really

1868
02:05:07,680 --> 02:05:11,440
Speaker 1: easy and and sometimes they don't show up. My point

1869
02:05:11,600 --> 02:05:15,720
Speaker 1: is is that ex deer hunting happens in no fence

1870
02:05:15,760 --> 02:05:22,520
Speaker 1: areas ex deer hunting exactly the same happens in my

1871
02:05:22,680 --> 02:05:28,120
Speaker 1: high fence hunting. I get skunked plenty. They don't show up,

1872
02:05:28,200 --> 02:05:32,440
Speaker 1: they don't turn broadside plenty. I touched the stand with

1873
02:05:32,640 --> 02:05:38,840
Speaker 1: my my limb and I spook them before ABC low fens,

1874
02:05:39,360 --> 02:05:42,600
Speaker 1: ABC high fence. Now, if if you've got a guy

1875
02:05:42,680 --> 02:05:45,120
Speaker 1: that I guarantee as soon as they use the G word,

1876
02:05:45,160 --> 02:05:47,720
Speaker 1: I don't go until I talked to some of my

1877
02:05:47,800 --> 02:05:51,120
Speaker 1: guys in South. If you gotta seat South Texas no fences,

1878
02:05:51,640 --> 02:05:56,960
Speaker 1: they're just crazy relaxed. You can burp and fart and

1879
02:05:57,120 --> 02:06:00,600
Speaker 1: sneeze and drop your ball in there you're looking at

1880
02:06:01,080 --> 02:06:05,320
Speaker 1: I'm eating this corn. Don't disturb me. So to each

1881
02:06:05,440 --> 02:06:08,200
Speaker 1: his own. And so that's why that's why they can

1882
02:06:08,280 --> 02:06:10,960
Speaker 1: wait for the point of what you're saying is is unity,

1883
02:06:11,240 --> 02:06:14,760
Speaker 1: just like any point picking on those guys if they're

1884
02:06:14,760 --> 02:06:19,720
Speaker 1: not breaking laws. If they're not, what what business do

1885
02:06:19,800 --> 02:06:23,200
Speaker 1: we have That same squawking takes place with guys. That's

1886
02:06:23,240 --> 02:06:25,280
Speaker 1: why they get not allowed to use a scope on

1887
02:06:25,320 --> 02:06:29,320
Speaker 1: your muzzleloader in Colorado. So you want to minimize my

1888
02:06:29,640 --> 02:06:34,120
Speaker 1: accuracy this law is well, it's it's uh what they

1889
02:06:34,160 --> 02:06:38,520
Speaker 1: called it, not antiques, but of it. Uh, this is

1890
02:06:38,560 --> 02:06:43,360
Speaker 1: the traditional style whatever traditional fire. This modern muzzleloaders your

1891
02:06:43,440 --> 02:06:47,000
Speaker 1: three yards like a three hundred weather be what does

1892
02:06:47,080 --> 02:06:50,400
Speaker 1: the scope? And they're gonna with or without a scope.

1893
02:06:50,440 --> 02:06:55,280
Speaker 1: So when it comes to those kinds of decisions, do

1894
02:06:55,440 --> 02:07:01,320
Speaker 1: you want most accuracy or less accuracy? Who would vote

1895
02:07:01,400 --> 02:07:06,960
Speaker 1: for less accuracy? And it goes to the crossbow debate. Well, again,

1896
02:07:07,280 --> 02:07:14,840
Speaker 1: the resource dictates, not the methodology until the methodology interferes

1897
02:07:15,400 --> 02:07:20,600
Speaker 1: with the productivity of the core resource. If if crossbows

1898
02:07:20,840 --> 02:07:24,800
Speaker 1: killed too many deer, then back them off. But until

1899
02:07:24,880 --> 02:07:30,040
Speaker 1: they do, shut up. But again with my crossbow friends,

1900
02:07:30,080 --> 02:07:34,920
Speaker 1: I love crossbows not as much as vertical bows, but

1901
02:07:35,040 --> 02:07:37,480
Speaker 1: a lot most of that, A lot most of them

1902
02:07:37,600 --> 02:07:40,080
Speaker 1: go to that because they're shooting too much draw weight.

1903
02:07:40,360 --> 02:07:43,040
Speaker 1: They're hurting their shoulders as they get older, and more

1904
02:07:43,160 --> 02:07:46,560
Speaker 1: than that, they're spooking the game as they struggle to

1905
02:07:46,720 --> 02:07:49,880
Speaker 1: pull that bowl back. I can tell you about how

1906
02:07:49,960 --> 02:07:52,440
Speaker 1: Pete Shepley came to Texas in the seventies and was

1907
02:07:52,520 --> 02:07:54,280
Speaker 1: shooting the overdraw. I don't know if you remember. The

1908
02:07:54,320 --> 02:07:57,680
Speaker 1: over draws is a terrible contraption and unless you were

1909
02:07:57,680 --> 02:08:00,120
Speaker 1: the world's greatest archer, you couldn't possibly draw on that

1910
02:08:00,280 --> 02:08:04,000
Speaker 1: arrow off that eighty five pounds like people shooting. So

1911
02:08:04,080 --> 02:08:06,640
Speaker 1: Pete was shooting eighty five pounds and that little black,

1912
02:08:06,760 --> 02:08:09,880
Speaker 1: new brand new carbon Aro technology off of twenty in

1913
02:08:10,000 --> 02:08:14,800
Speaker 1: jarrow offa overdraw those Texas well, Hell, there's some bit

1914
02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:16,720
Speaker 1: doing for hundred For a second, I'm getting one of

1915
02:08:16,760 --> 02:08:18,160
Speaker 1: the what do you got there, Pete? I'm getting just

1916
02:08:18,280 --> 02:08:26,640
Speaker 1: like you. Yea. They struggled and they hung it up

1917
02:08:26,680 --> 02:08:31,200
Speaker 1: on powerma remember the powermags that bow that hundred pounds

1918
02:08:31,400 --> 02:08:35,880
Speaker 1: powermag Crazy enough, Howard Hill used to shoot two of

1919
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:38,240
Speaker 1: his long but both of them at a hundred pounds

1920
02:08:38,280 --> 02:08:41,400
Speaker 1: and go back together. But anyhow, so there's a lot

1921
02:08:41,520 --> 02:08:49,800
Speaker 1: of um minutia in our hunting world that the judgmentalists

1922
02:08:50,080 --> 02:08:54,600
Speaker 1: and they're just squawkers amongst us. That's where unity hits

1923
02:08:54,600 --> 02:08:59,320
Speaker 1: a roadblock. So crossbow have a great do you have

1924
02:08:59,400 --> 02:09:03,960
Speaker 1: a license the deer season, I love you, compound you

1925
02:09:04,520 --> 02:09:10,120
Speaker 1: long od sage, orange cedar, arrow, self bow at laddle,

1926
02:09:11,440 --> 02:09:13,960
Speaker 1: the swing shots that shoot arrows, the new rifles that

1927
02:09:13,960 --> 02:09:15,480
Speaker 1: shoot arrow I don't think you'd be able to use

1928
02:09:15,480 --> 02:09:18,400
Speaker 1: those during the archery season. Everything goes bags. Gunpowder you

1929
02:09:18,480 --> 02:09:20,520
Speaker 1: can use that, even the arrigas. I don't think an

1930
02:09:20,600 --> 02:09:24,160
Speaker 1: air gun arrow shooters should be used during the archery season.

1931
02:09:25,800 --> 02:09:29,040
Speaker 1: Understand you know. But but again, if the consensus is

1932
02:09:29,120 --> 02:09:31,400
Speaker 1: that it makes me want to go hunting and buy

1933
02:09:31,440 --> 02:09:36,200
Speaker 1: a license and invest in conservation, then I'd probably air

1934
02:09:36,320 --> 02:09:40,800
Speaker 1: on the side of choice. So the Unification battle cry

1935
02:09:41,640 --> 02:09:44,560
Speaker 1: guarding the gate is It's been my lifetime for at

1936
02:09:44,640 --> 02:09:47,680
Speaker 1: least sixty some years, and I will keep it up.

1937
02:09:48,120 --> 02:09:56,640
Speaker 1: Unity uh, supporting of individual choices and increasing opportunities hounds

1938
02:09:56,720 --> 02:09:59,920
Speaker 1: bait spring season in Michigan. We could have over the

1939
02:10:00,040 --> 02:10:02,720
Speaker 1: counter text for at least two years without even touching

1940
02:10:02,800 --> 02:10:06,160
Speaker 1: the resource um and the money that I generate would

1941
02:10:06,160 --> 02:10:10,400
Speaker 1: be insane good for everybody, and there's a bunch of

1942
02:10:10,440 --> 02:10:16,720
Speaker 1: states like that. So that's what I keep focusing on. Utility, family,

1943
02:10:16,800 --> 02:10:21,080
Speaker 1: hours of recreation, and revenues generated. I don't think there's

1944
02:10:21,120 --> 02:10:26,160
Speaker 1: anything else with the resource productivity dictating the above that

1945
02:10:26,280 --> 02:10:29,000
Speaker 1: makes sense. It's sounds science, not just a guitar player.

1946
02:10:29,000 --> 02:10:31,240
Speaker 1: I never went to college. I was too busy learning stuff,

1947
02:10:31,480 --> 02:10:36,000
Speaker 1: and that's what I've learned thanks to all right you

1948
02:10:36,120 --> 02:10:36,760
Speaker 1: back at joh