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Speaker 1: very much enjoy what I'm putting out so far. Very cool.

427
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Speaker 1: So let's get into your actual military background because I think,

428
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Speaker 1: as you know, this is UH Special Operations Forces reports,

429
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Speaker 1: so we have, you know, a lot of the guys

430
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: on who were from different backgrounds, and I think you

431
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: have an interesting background of leaving the corporate world and

432
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: becoming marine. I do. In fact, I almost went to

433
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 1: UH well, I should say I was looking to go

434
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 1: to a top ten school. I was the captain of

435
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: my mock trial team in college. We were eleventh in

436
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: the country. They actually went on to win several national

437
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: championships in mock trial. Of all things I went to.

438
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: I went to Miami of Ohio, and I went back

439
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: there two years ago on the first book tour and

440
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: spoke to the entire class of naval cadets and Rozie

441
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 1: and I went and visited my old coach. And you know,

442
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: I graduated college in ninety four, and now they have

443
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: multiple enormous real courtrooms built, they have multiple teams. I mean,

444
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 1: it was. It was unbelievable. We were like stuck in

445
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: the sociology department in like some little like rundown room.

446
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: Now they've got these huge facilities. Um. But at the time,

447
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: again I was I was looking to go into law school.

448
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: And I had one of those life changing events occur.

449
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: And this was in I was at a movie theater

450
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,199
Speaker 1: and to make a long story short, I stopped somebody

451
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: from getting beaten up by this like young punk in

452
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: the movie theater and out of four hundred people in

453
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: a sold out Saturday show, I was the only person

454
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: who stood up and did anything about it. True story. Uh.

455
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: The next day I completely changed my outlook on things,

456
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 1: and I realized I wanted to have some do something

457
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: where I'd have a more direct impact. And at the time,

458
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: I'd also just want to state title in martial arts.

459
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: So I figured, hey, why not just go into the

460
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 1: Marine Corps. So I called the Officer Selection Office in Columbus, Ohio,

461
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 1: and no kidding, I think a year and a half later,

462
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: I was in Quantico at Officer Candidate school and here

463
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: we are. That's awesome, and so at that following that

464
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: is when you went into fiction writing and your career

465
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: now as well. Well, yeah, exactly when I got after

466
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: ten years of the Marine Corps, I I got out

467
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 1: and then I started, you know, I just had that

468
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: epiphany and that moment of anger, and I sat down

469
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: and started writing. Uh, you know, but again it's taken

470
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: what the I started writing in August of and and

471
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: here we are on stight years later, you know, with

472
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: the third book coming out, and we still obviously have goals,

473
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: you know, the goals to make the New York Times

474
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Speaker 1: bestseller list. We do have the movie deal for the

475
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: first book, and I know that's moving forward as well.

476
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: But you know, this is, uh, this is definitely an

477
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: interesting career choice I found myself in right now. Yeah,

478
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: publishing is a harsh mistress, is what I often tell people. Oh,

479
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: I I have different words for it. I'm not sure

480
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: what I can say. You can say what you want

481
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: here so so so it's fucking brutals what it is.

482
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: Let me let me be honest. It it is absolutely

483
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: brutal business. Um, because the market is saturated with a

484
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: lot of quality thriller writers there. You know, marketing dollars

485
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: can sometimes be a challenge to get you have. I mean,

486
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's a tough business. And uh, I'll

487
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: never forget that. Two years ago, when I was a

488
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: debut author, I was at this event called Thriller Fest

489
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: up in New York City with a bunch of other

490
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: debut writers. They were like twenty two or twenty three

491
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: of us, and we got to spend a couple of

492
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: hours with the New York Times best selling author Steve Barry.

493
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: But one of the things that he said it was,

494
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 1: and it's true. Was Uh, you know, there's like twenty

495
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: two of you or twenty three of you in this room,

496
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 1: and within a couple of years from now, there's only

497
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: to be like two or three of you left standing.

498
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: And it's it's true. Now, I'm very fortunate because I'm

499
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: with Emily Bessler Books, I have one of the best

500
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: editors and publishers in the world in the genre. But

501
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: even then, it's still for me feels like it's a

502
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: it's a grind every day. Would you say the ultimate

503
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: goal is to be a brad Thor where this is

504
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: what you're doing full time? Absolutely? Yeah, I mean that

505
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: that is he's built a brand for himself. I mean

506
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: he's he's approached it like a business and it's the

507
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: same way that I approach it. Uh. You know, he's

508
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: obviously way ahead of me in his career. You know,

509
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: he's got his sixteenth or seventeenth book coming out. I'm

510
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: on number three, So I mean he's That's why I

511
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: was saying before, it takes a lot of discipline what

512
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: you're doing, and what brad Thor does. I mean that's uh,

513
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: he's a machine cranking him out. Yeah, yeah, Well you

514
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: have to be determined, you have to be ambitious, you

515
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: have to be perseverant. Like in the military, you cannot

516
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: get complacent. And you know, as we used to say

517
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: in the Marine Corps, remplacency kills. Hell, it was even

518
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: written on a barrier in Alkym complacency kills because it

519
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: literally does. Uh. You know you have to want this,

520
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: you really do, because this business is set up to

521
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: cold the herd in a big way. What would you

522
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: say your military background helps you with what you do?

523
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: Because when I look at the guys we've had on

524
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: you have a J. Tata, Tony Tata, who's a toy

525
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: is a great guy, great guy, former Army General Um

526
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: Anderson Harp who's a former Marine, and then the best

527
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: selling guy in the genre, bet Red stor is like myself,

528
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: never served. So I'm just wondering when you write these

529
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: do you think it? It just helps you out that

530
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: you have that background, you have the lingo down, you

531
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: know how marines act. So my first question is what

532
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: you I didn't know you never serve, but you're still

533
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: rocking the beard. I say, I've I'm the civilian here

534
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: and Jack is the guy's you know, done it ian

535
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: is our on air talent excellent? I'm sorry, I just

536
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: giving your heart. No, it's cool. If you read my books,

537
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: I'm very sarcastic. In case that wasn't obvious. Um so wait,

538
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: so what was the original question. No, I'm just wondering

539
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: if does your does your military background lend uh special

540
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: credence to to or gravitas to what you're writing that

541
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: you're able to articulate, what how marines talk to one another,

542
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: how they add or even I should add in there

543
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: make it easier because when we had Brad Thoron, like

544
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: he says that he speaks to the Trell Brothers to say, like, hey,

545
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: is this accurate for Navy seals, I would think you

546
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about that. That is correct, especially

547
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: when it comes to the way people in the military,

548
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: and in particular the Marine Corps talk to each other.

549
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: You know, in the Marine Corps, we used to have

550
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: a saying if you're like not complaining, that's when people

551
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: need to get worried, or if you're not bitching about something,

552
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: because that's the Yeah, I mean, I see Jack your

553
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: laugh because you know it's true, right, I mean, especially

554
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: if you're in the field in the middle of some

555
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: hard evolution. Marines are always complaining about something, but when

556
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: you get quiet, then everybody better just stand the funk by.

557
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's that's the reality. So yeah, I

558
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: try and capture all that in my books, especially the

559
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: esprit de corps, the camaraderie, the sacrifice, uh you know,

560
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: And I try and do that part of what I

561
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: write in a very realistic way and and inject emotions.

562
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: So so for me now, there are times though where

563
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: I've talked to my friends who are former seals or

564
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: other services and said, hey, I'm writing this sequence. Can

565
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: you tell me if this is here's what I think.

566
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Speaker 1: And fortunately, you know, even though I wasn't a seal,

567
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: I've been able They've said, nope, that's that's correct. I'm like, okay, good,

568
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: at least I semi know what I'm talking about. You

569
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 1: got to throw in some of the dirty jokes. I mean,

570
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: we're notorious for the ps jokes. Yeah yeah, so Jack,

571
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. What's your background? I was in the Army

572
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: and Range of Battalion and then Special Forces uh so

573
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: as then for eight years and then I've been doing

574
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: this job for eight years. Okay, good, to get So

575
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: we're on the white soft side of the house or

576
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah, range of Battalion and SFKA as well

577
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: as a fiction writer so much like yourself. Yeah, I've

578
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: written three novels. Um, I'm actually working on the memoir

579
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: now for for the publisher. So I'm selling out and

580
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: going legit now with an actual publisher. Good to go. Yeah, well,

581
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: just buckle down, you know. I, Like I said, you're

582
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: hearing me talk. It's it, you know how hard? Oh yeah?

583
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: Getting into something he referenced before that's more deeply personal

584
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: to you, the the issue of alcoholism. I wanted to

585
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: get into that, and I think it's great that that

586
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: you're out there and vocal about it. And it reminds

587
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: me of you know, we had buzz altering on the podcast.

588
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: I read his book, Magnificent Magnificent Desolation. Um. He's written

589
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: books prior, but Magnificent Magnificent Desolation in particular or focuses

590
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: on his alcoholism, his depression. And the thing that was

591
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: interesting to me is he came out there and talked

592
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: about it openly at a time when the people who

593
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: were running his career basically said, don't talk about this.

594
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: It's going to destroy your career. And I think the

595
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: more people like you come out, even though you may

596
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: be obviously a smaller voice than a buzz Aldrin, more

597
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: people say, you know what this is okay to talk about? No, absolutely,

598
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, all I can do is UH. As a

599
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: recovering alcoholic, one of the first things you realize is

600
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: that you have, all of a sudden you have self awareness.

601
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: You know. I joke now that I'm a better Marine

602
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: officer now than when I probably was in and I

603
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: was that was a good marine officer. Uh. You know,

604
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't what we call water walk or anything like that.

605
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: But you know, I did my job and when it

606
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: came to like certain things, I was really good at UH.

607
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: But you know, being sober, it provides you with that

608
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: self awareness that I didn't have. UM. So, you know,

609
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: for me talking about it, the Marine Corps instilled in

610
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: me the discipline that I needed to finally face my

611
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: issue and gets sober. I mean, there's no answers or

612
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: butts about it. If I weren't, you know, didn't have

613
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:06,959
Speaker 1: that from the Marine Corps, there's no way in hell

614
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: I'd be able to I'd be sober today. You know,

615
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: I realized I had a problem. I was getting ready

616
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: to be promoted to major is, getting ready to go

617
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: to next my next career level school, and I was miserable.

618
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: And I just realized that I needed to address this

619
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: head on where I was gonna end up dead, alone, miserable, unemployed,

620
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: all of the above. And uh so what I did

621
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: was I actually I called the Marine Corps uh down

622
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: at Fort Myers. They have I can't remember what it

623
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: is that like, their their alcohol treatment facility program. And

624
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: I ended up going to Andrews Air Force Pace for

625
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: five and a half weeks in their intensive outpatient program,

626
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: driving down every day. And and since then my sobriety

627
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: stuck me, you know, and I am very thankful for

628
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: that opportunity. There were It was really unique because there

629
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: was a group of individuals who were incredible overachievers and ambitious.

630
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: Uh there was like literally the Air Force Pilot of

631
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: the Year in the program with me. Uh you know,

632
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: there was a nurse from bethesa hospital there. There. It

633
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: was a bunch of hard charging folks that you realize

634
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: that had a problem when it came to alcohol. But

635
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: like I said earlier, that it's the most important thing

636
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: that I can talk about because there was a point

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Speaker 1: where I never thought I'd be able to get sober,

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Speaker 1: Like I just didn't think that was in the cards

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Speaker 1: and and I look back and I just honestly, there

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Speaker 1: are times where I can't believe I was the guy

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Speaker 1: still have the same mannerisms. I still but like my

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Speaker 1: priorities have changed completely. I'm sure there's people who probably

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Speaker 1: didn't like me then who still don't like me now.

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Speaker 1: You know, Hey, so be it. It's incredibly important for

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Speaker 1: you know, people like you who have been successful to

648
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Speaker 1: come out and talk about that and same thing like

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Speaker 1: you were mentioned with buzz Aldren. I mean we had

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Speaker 1: um on here one time. Tom Spooner, who is a

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Speaker 1: delta operator, he was one of these guys he did

652
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Speaker 1: like twelve back to back deployments and he's very candid

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Speaker 1: and open about how he struggled with PTSD and um.

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Speaker 1: You know, when somebody like that comes out, what it

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Speaker 1: does is it gives like mental permission to other people

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Speaker 1: who are suffering to like, oh okay, if that guy

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Speaker 1: had that problem and he's way tougher than I am,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, now it's okay for me to

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Speaker 1: admit that I need to get help too. So, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think it's great that there's people like you, Matt

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Speaker 1: that are kind of like, you know, you can pull

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Speaker 1: yourself out of this. It's possible. Yeah, it is, you know,

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Speaker 1: and I've been very fortunate that, and I use this

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Speaker 1: step of a a anyhow you spread that yeah. So

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Speaker 1: so so I try and talk about as much as

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Speaker 1: I can. And that's why I wrote my characters the

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Speaker 1: way that I did, because he's, uh, you know, I

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Speaker 1: from what you were describing. I mean, the protagonist of

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Speaker 1: these novels also struggles with alcoholism at the Yeah, at

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Speaker 1: the very beginning of Overwatch he does, so yeah, and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, when I sat down to write, I literally

673
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Speaker 1: took the old baddage of right what you know to heart.

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Speaker 1: So I split my personality down the middle and I

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Speaker 1: made Logan the dark, you know, dealing with alcohol side

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Speaker 1: of me, and then the you know, John Quick, the

677
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Speaker 1: self deprecating, sarcastic son of a bitch that he is,

678
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Speaker 1: which is pretty much what most people see unless I

679
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Speaker 1: get upset. You know, most people aren't gonna ever see

680
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Speaker 1: the logan west side of me unless something's gone really wrong. Yeah.

681
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Speaker 1: I kind of did the same thing. I mean, the

682
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Speaker 1: character I wrote is sarcastic and cynical like I am,

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Speaker 1: but he's also just like way more badass than I am.

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Speaker 1: I mean, exactly six, I'm not running and gunning, you know,

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Speaker 1: I like, hold on, let me get a segway here, guys.

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, yeah, I'm at that point, Like now

687
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Speaker 1: I just want to drink mimosas and hang out, you know,

688
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Speaker 1: take my wife out the dinner exactly, and hope it

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Speaker 1: doesn't go down at the restaurant. Right, Yeah, that's funny, man. Um.

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Speaker 1: So if people want to check out the latest book,

691
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Speaker 1: which as you said, is a standalone, but they're gonna,

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Speaker 1: of course, start with the first in the series. But

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Speaker 1: the latest is Field of Valor, just came out what

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Speaker 1: last month, I believe, Yeah, it came out. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: pick that up and we'll put the link to the

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Speaker 1: book in there too so people can check it out. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: it's available everywhere you know, your typical usual suspects, Barnes

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Speaker 1: and Noble, Amazon, Indie bound, iTunes, books a million, all

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Speaker 1: the military stores. Yeah, it's also available in audio book.

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Speaker 1: Very fortunate. Since the very beginning of the series, Simon

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Speaker 1: Schuster has this fantastic narrator named George Newbern. He was

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Speaker 1: one of the actors on ABC show Scandal. He played

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Speaker 1: he played a character named Charlie. And he's an awesome

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Speaker 1: guy and he's just like the perfect voice for for

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Speaker 1: the series. And I've told Simon Schuster for as long

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Speaker 1: as I'm writing as and as long as George is

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Speaker 1: doing it, please have him do it, because they're just

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Speaker 1: it's fantastic, you know, that's great. Yeah. So the website

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Speaker 1: is Matthew Betley dot com, b E T L E

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Speaker 1: Y at Matthew Bentley on Twitter. And I was going

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Speaker 1: to ask you before we started, you said that you

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Speaker 1: were um off somewhere on the road in the coming days, right, correct, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: tomorrow I get on the road and I'm heading down

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Speaker 1: to Fort Bragg for an event on Thursday, and then

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Speaker 1: from there, as soon as I finish at the p X,

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Speaker 1: I head to North Carolina to camp well, that is,

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Speaker 1: North Carolina had to camp was June over in Jacksonville

718
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Speaker 1: for an event at their p X on Friday, So

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Speaker 1: those are the next two stops on the book tour.

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Speaker 1: So you just do like speaking, engagement signings, that type

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Speaker 1: of thing. So it's actually kind of funny. So at

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Speaker 1: at independent bookstores or like a Barnes and Noble, I'll

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Speaker 1: speak um. But in a military event, it just depends

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Speaker 1: on the venue. Uh. Sometimes they will literally just put

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Speaker 1: you at a table in the front of the p

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Speaker 1: X and you know, here you go. All right, Jack's laughing,

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Speaker 1: It's true. I was just at the Fort Meat p

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Speaker 1: X and it is a really good event. I had

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Speaker 1: a lot of people come by. But it's like you're like,

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Speaker 1: you're selling sham wows, you know, the Bentley exactly. You know,

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Speaker 1: they're going to Martini Zucchini Bikini and they're like, what

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Speaker 1: the hell is wrong with this guy? Um? So you know.

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Speaker 1: But but yeah, and that's the other thing. If you

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Speaker 1: do these events and you're not outgoing, you will suffer

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Speaker 1: because you know how military folks are. I remember when

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Speaker 1: p X, I would walk in and I would just

738
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Speaker 1: be like on a mission to get theodor and I

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Speaker 1: don't care about some dude sitting at the table, so

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Speaker 1: you have to be outgoing. Fortunately, they do a good

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Speaker 1: job trying to advertise. UM. So it really just to

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Speaker 1: answer your question, it just depends on the venue I've

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Speaker 1: had anywhere from I have had one event in three

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Speaker 1: years where no one showed up, and that was a

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Speaker 1: really nice place and it turned out it was like

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Speaker 1: the nicest evening they had had in Chicago and no

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Speaker 1: one was coming into bookstores, and you know, I got zero.

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Speaker 1: But then I've also had eight five show up. It

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Speaker 1: just depends on the venue and the time. And people

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Speaker 1: are going to be listening to this podcast for over

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Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks. I mean, why don't you

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Speaker 1: just give us the rest of the dates for your

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00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: for your tour? All right? In that case, hold on, yeah,

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Speaker 1: please let the people know where they can go meet you. Yea,

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Speaker 1: So well, okay, So I'm gonna be, like I said,

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Speaker 1: at Campbell June on Friday, Fort Bragg on Thursday, and

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Speaker 1: then I believe I have a bit of a break

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Speaker 1: and my next Hold on a second, let me pull

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Speaker 1: up my schedule of course on a website. By the way,

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Speaker 1: if people want to see the location and all that,

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Speaker 1: absolutely that you know if they just go to Matthew

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Speaker 1: dot Bentley dot com and pull up the events tab,

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Speaker 1: they are all listed there. I know that I'll be

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Speaker 1: in Rhode Island at the end of June on June Westerly,

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Speaker 1: Rhode Island, and then I will also be at the

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Speaker 1: Marine Corps Museum, which I'm really looking forward to on June.

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Speaker 1: That's a Saturday from eleven to two pm. So if

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Speaker 1: any of you listening make it, definitely say to Matthew, hey,

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Speaker 1: I heard you on Software Radio. That would be pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: So absolutely, like I said, just I always tell people,

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Speaker 1: just come out and harass me. Ask me anything you want.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'll answer any question. Often to my

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Speaker 1: wife's chagrin. It'll happen. Though. I definitely think you'll you'll

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Speaker 1: meet some people from this audience because they do come

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Speaker 1: out to book signs and all that stuff. And I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're a worldwide audience, so there's people in all those locations. Excellent,

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Speaker 1: and I believe I appreciate it. As an author, I

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Speaker 1: do exactly, or any chance they're going to be in

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Speaker 1: New York City at some time, we'd love to have

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Speaker 1: you in studio. Man, oh, yeah, you guys are up

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Speaker 1: in New York City. I didn't realize that. Yeah. No,

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Speaker 1: In fact, I'm at some point going to have meetings

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Speaker 1: with my publisher since their headquartered up there and that's

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Speaker 1: where Simon Schuster is. Definitely I'll definitely swing by the studio. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We we might even know a few same people. They're

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Speaker 1: the ones who are publishing my book, my memoir, which

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Speaker 1: which imprint or vision. I'm actually not sure which imprint

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Speaker 1: it is off the top of my head. Do you

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Speaker 1: know your editor's name? Jack? Yeah, I know her, that's uh,

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00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 1: but that's the person I go through. So um, yeah,

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00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: next time you're in the city, definitely feel free hit

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Speaker 1: us up and we we have you in studio. Actually,

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00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: that'd be definitely. Yeah, I'm all for that. That'd be great. Yeah, definitely,

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Speaker 1: So let's do it. Keep in touch. I have yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're I should say publicists email, but you know, if

797
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: if you know, feel free to shoot me an email

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00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: personally and we'll make it open. Cool. So the book

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Speaker 1: you having you on, man, this was great. Thanks guys,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. It's always good to uh talk to

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Speaker 1: spec ops channel app, which our web developer Chris did.

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Speaker 1: He does an awesome job with everything. So check out

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Speaker 1: Great Club Kuna spec Ops Channel. A lot of great

855
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: stuff happening at Hurricane Media, as well as some things

856
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: in the future that I believe we cannot yet talk about.

857
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: There's things brewing in I have my hands in many

858
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: sinister soups. You know that by now, so be on

859
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 1: the lookout for that. UM With that, as I said,

860
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: we had some emails that I wanted to get to UM,

861
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: but first wanted to do that interview. So let me

862
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 1: make sure those all pulled up. Uh, what was the

863
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: other one that I had here that I don't know

864
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: where it is. Um, where's my hate mail? Ian? Oh no,

865
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 1: there was a hate review which I read my review. Um,

866
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 1: all right, let me just see which is the one

867
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: I just not the one, okay, the one from George?

868
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: All right, alright, So getting into these emails, Um, the

869
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: first of which is from either Jorge Torres or George

870
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: Shore As. I've seen people pronounce it either way with

871
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: the J because I have a friend who goes by George,

872
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: but it's spelled the who ae way anyway. Um from

873
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: Mr tures Hey, soft rep love the two shows a

874
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: week and the guests you guys are bringing on. My

875
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 1: question is for Jack. I know that the Ranger Regiment

876
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: hires from all types of MS. But if someone was

877
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: to go on the Army as an intelligence analyst and

878
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: then later try to join the seventy five, would that

879
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: person work as intel analysts in support of Range of

880
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 1: missions or would that person go through RASP and go

881
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: combat operations as well? You would be working. I mean,

882
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna be working in your MS regardless. Um, So

883
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: if you join the Range of Regiment as a cook,

884
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 1: you're gonna be working as a cook. Um, it's funny

885
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: how often you get these kinds of questions. I mean,

886
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: if you wanna go on combat operations, you need to

887
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: be an eleven Bravo or an eleven Charlie or a

888
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: combat medic forward observer. Um what who else is thrown

889
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: in there? R T O maybe, um, all those kind

890
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: of cats. So yeah, if you want to be a

891
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: combat dude, go into a combat mos. Um. If you're

892
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: an Intel analyst, you're gonna be doing um, you know,

893
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,919
Speaker 1: analyst work for the range of regiment and UM, that's

894
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: kind of that. That should answer it, Okay, not that,

895
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: not that that's a bad job. You know, if you

896
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 1: want to do Intel, you want to do soft Intel,

897
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: go for it. This next one is from alex once again,

898
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: sent to soft Rep dot Radio a soft rep dot com.

899
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: I I often get tweets of like where to send these,

900
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: so I always try to remind you guys. Um, any

901
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: quifations don't like d m A or tweet them, send

902
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 1: them to soft rep dot radio at softrep dot com

903
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: and keep them brief like these these. Send Ian your hate,

904
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 1: send me your love. Um, all right. This is from

905
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: alex Ian and Jack first briefly, The most recent few

906
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: dozen episodes have all been nothing short of awesome. So

907
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: much knowledge from so many incredible people, it becomes harder

908
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: and harder to listen to certain other podcasts, which only

909
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: seem to scratch the sirc you didn't, you didn't with

910
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: each episode you guys put out. Thank you man um.

911
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: My question is mostly for Jack, for someone very highly

912
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: interested in entering into SF, how can I go about

913
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: balancing the frustrations and paradoxes of US soft operations? As

914
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: voiced by Evan a few episodes ago and by plenty

915
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: of other people sources podcast episodes with a sentiment from

916
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: so many current and former SOFT guys that the job,

917
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: mission and lifestyle are certainly overwhelming worth it. I have

918
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: never been one to wear rose colored glasses about the U. S.

919
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: Government and military undertakings, and I have people like you

920
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: to thank for giving a more realistic view of these things.

921
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: But I've never been there, done that, and I'm so

922
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: and and I am so and so I am confused.

923
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: Sorry when those who have been there and experienced these

924
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 1: frustrations firsthand still can say I love the job, recommend

925
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: it to you, and I would do it again. You know,

926
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 1: I would do it all again in a heartbeat. Which

927
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: is the fun out way? The rest that seems off

928
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: putting best alex Well, I guess, first and foremost what

929
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: I would say is, you know, the Army offers four

930
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: year contracts. You might even be able to get like

931
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: a three year contract or a two year contract, so

932
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: you don't have to sign up for the full monty

933
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 1: and do twenty years. You can go in for four years, um,

934
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: which within those four years you can go into the

935
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,479
Speaker 1: range of regiment or special forces UM if you want,

936
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: and you get a taste for that and see, you know,

937
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: if is it something you want to stick around and do?

938
00:49:58,520 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: Is it do you want to get out and go

939
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 1: to college? You know, you don't have to. You can

940
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: go in and get a taste of it and see

941
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 1: if you like it or not, you know, before making

942
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: a twenty year commitment to it, um, whether or not.

943
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of a difficult question, Like it

944
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: does the fun outweigh all the bullshit? I mean, you

945
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: get to do things in the military that you can't

946
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: do anywhere else. You know, Um, there's training you can't

947
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: get anywhere else. There's uh, you know, doing the things

948
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: we did riding around on cool helicopters and fast roping

949
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: and shooting all these different weapons systems and learning about

950
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: combat and how to how to conduct war, how to

951
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: go after targets, and then actually deploying overseas and doing it. Um,

952
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: there's nothing like it, So there's and there's also nothing

953
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: to compare it to. But how much does the bullshit

954
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: outweigh the fun? I mean, it's like it really depends

955
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: on the group of guys you get in with, and

956
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: it has so much to do with the dudes and

957
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: your platoon and the guys on your team. Um, even

958
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: if you have a really shitty chain of command, the

959
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: job might be bearable just because the guys you work

960
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: with on your team are so squared away and there's

961
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: such good dudes that you can put up with it

962
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: and disregard some of the b s um. But then

963
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: then again, maybe not. Maybe the morale in your unit

964
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: is just so low in your chain of command is

965
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: so bad that even when you work with good dudes,

966
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: it can't compensate for all the bullshit that's getting thrown

967
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: at you guys on a day to day basis. So

968
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 1: I mean, it comes down it very much comes down

969
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: to people and personalities. Um. And I was very fortunate

970
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: to work with some terrific guys. And and I'm actually

971
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 1: like having my little uh self reflective moment as because

972
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 1: I'm writing this book about, you know, stuff I did

973
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: in the military. And I mean I just worked with

974
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: like some terrific n c o s and some really

975
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: good officers. I smack talk officers all day, but I

976
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 1: mean I had some great platoon leaders, some great company commanders. UM.

977
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: I had a really good, um team leader when I

978
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: was in Special Forces, guy who really looked out for

979
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: the boys. Um. But then the flip side of that is,

980
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: you know, I also worked with alongside and uh in

981
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: four some douche bags you know, um, you know, and

982
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: we worked under some really weak, shitty leadership at different points.

983
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: So I can, I guess all I can offer up

984
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: to a question like this is experiences may vary. Yeah,

985
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, it comes down to personalities

986
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:37,919
Speaker 1: and people. I think I very rarely hear people say

987
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 1: that they regret joining the military. I believe he said,

988
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: because I'm thinking back. I think the only person on

989
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: this podcast who I I'm pretty I haven't listened to

990
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: it in a very long time. But I believe said

991
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: they regretted joining the military was Michael Behannon, the guy

992
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: who served time and uh Fort leaven Worth right for um,

993
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 1: that'll do it. I guess, um that which makes sense.

994
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: I mean he was there for I believe close to

995
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: the military is a great experience. I think, I think

996
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 1: it's an important experience. Uh, it's an important experience for

997
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: I think young men to have. UM, and I recommend

998
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: people take a look at it and see if it's

999
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: right for them. Um. The only people I mean, I

1000
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: definitely don't regret joining the military. I've actually only over

1001
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: the last few years have I even I've begun to

1002
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: question a little bit. But that's because of other things

1003
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: like friends of mine who have committed suicide and things

1004
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: like that that kind of make me like, I'm like, damn,

1005
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: how did this happen? But I certainly don't regret joining

1006
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: the military. The only people I know who really regret

1007
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: joining the military are like these like social justice warrior

1008
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: veterans who like they're they're all like neo communists now

1009
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: and I hate America And it's like the constant hand ringing,

1010
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: you know, it's fucking ridiculous but those are the only

1011
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 1: people I know who like hate the military, and they're

1012
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: people who hate our country anyway. So some of the

1013
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: people I think might not even regret it though, because

1014
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: they'll still say like, oh, the experience shaped my worldview,

1015
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 1: and well, they'll definitely trade up like I was a veteran,

1016
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 1: I was there, therefore fuck America. You know. They're doing

1017
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: the same thing that the people that um that they

1018
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: complain about, the more conservative veterans were like, I'm a veteran,

1019
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: you know, therefore everything I say is valid. You know,

1020
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: they're all kind of everyone is kind of using their

1021
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: veteran status as capital to to try to build on

1022
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: some sort of weird agenda um, which the latest of

1023
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: which I'm thinking of is who's the Navy seal again?

1024
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 1: Who was out there on Twitter? Who's basically was like

1025
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 1: who he came out there said that something like PTSD

1026
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: cases or bullshit, and he likel down that, yeah, that's right,

1027
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: Carl Higby. Yeah, And he doubled down on them on Twitter,

1028
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: and he did have the whole thing of like, I'm

1029
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,240
Speaker 1: a veteran, I know this, I can say this almost

1030
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: you know, so yeah, I mean I'm actually quoted in

1031
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: a Wall Street Journal article, um talking about veterans making

1032
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: false claims to v A and how they're they're fucking

1033
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: the system and by extension, they're fucking veterans who really

1034
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 1: need help. So I mean, those things exist. I absolutely

1035
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: don't deny it. And I'm quoted in that article because

1036
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: I saw at firsthand my first my freshman year of college,

1037
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: when I was at Mercy and Dobb's Ferry, and I

1038
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: saw these vets and they came up to me and

1039
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: they're trying to convince me to make false claims to

1040
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,919
Speaker 1: v A. They're like, you're not getting money from v A. Like, look,

1041
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: you just need to go tell them something's wrong with you.

1042
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: Go tell them that your penis doesn't work. I'm like what.

1043
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: They're like, Yeah, there's no test they can do to

1044
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: see if your dick works or not. Just go tell

1045
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: them that your dick doesn't work. And I'm thinking, like

1046
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: my my wife at the time, she was like six

1047
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,439
Speaker 1: months pregnant. I'm like, how the fund is that gonna work?

1048
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, they're they're making all these fraudulent claims that

1049
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: that stuff exists. But like, that's a really bold statement

1050
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: to make to say that what did you say, like

1051
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: PTSD is a real thing. A lot of guys are

1052
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: suffering from it now, So I mean we shouldn't disregard,

1053
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 1: you know, people's v A claims, you know, just out

1054
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: of hand or um or minimize you know, what these

1055
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: guys are going through. And I see a lot of

1056
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: a lot of people out there, a lot of veterans.

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00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: It's it's not like civilians. This is our our drama

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00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: and our baggage. Um. You know, veterans are really good

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00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: at attacking each other. We don't have a war anymore

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00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: to fight, so we just fight each other. Um. And uh,

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00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think it's becoming a fucking mess. Um.

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00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: But there's there's a lot of dudes out there who

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00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: are suffering, um from PTSD. And I we we are

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00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: not done a very good job of grappling with it.

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00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: Maybe we're getting a little bit better, but there's a

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00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: lot more work to do. And I think I see

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00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: I watched these uh, these vets, these vets who are

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00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: like on the left and on the right, and they

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00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: attack each other. And when I look at them, what

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00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: I see on both sides is guys who are suffering

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00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 1: and they're actually going through the same thing. They're having

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00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: troubles with PTSD, with t b I and generally assimilating

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00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: back into society. And then that gets colored by either

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00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: the left wing ship or the right wing ship. But

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00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,439
Speaker 1: really it's the same thing that the same person. They're

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00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,919
Speaker 1: the same person that cannot integrate back into their own

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00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: culture and they're struggling with the same ship. And so

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00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: it's not really a left wing thing or a right

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00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: wing thing. That's just kind of the window dressing. UM.

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00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: But these dudes, these vets, they attack each other over

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00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: like politics and and weird ship like that. It's like,

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00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: you know, you guys actually have a hell of a

1083
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: lot in common. Yeah, you know, surprised they don't see that. Yeah.

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00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: I think it's you know, the polarized political climate it

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00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: creeps into everything and toxic social media culture that turns

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00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: us all into assholes that it does. That does I

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00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: we haven't done a throat punch of the week in

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00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: a long time. This guy has a coming. Yeah, I

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00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: thought this was an obvious one. So this guy, Nathan

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00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: Lawson is running for Congress in Virginia's tenth district. UM,

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00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: and I pulled up why we're giving him the throw

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00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: punch of the week. This is from The Hill. Admitted

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00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: pedophile rapist running for Virginia Virginia congressional seat uh Nathan Lawson,

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00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: a self declared racist and x con who advocates for

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00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: pedophilia and rape, is running for congress in Virginia's tenth district.

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00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: While speaking to huff Post on Thursday, the thirty seven

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00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: year old independent candidate from Charlottesville told the public publication

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00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,919
Speaker 1: he identifies as a and I've never heard this term

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00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: quasi quasi neo reactionary libertarian who is open about his

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00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: pedophilia so as to remain unconstrained by political correctness. And

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00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: I would not put pedophilia under political you know people

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00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: against poetic Uh, pedophilia under people were political. Political correctness

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00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: is why I can't rape children. Yeah, a lot of

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00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: people are tired of political correctness and being constrained by it,

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00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: Larson told the outlet. People prefer when there's an outsider

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00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: who doesn't have anything to lose and is willing to

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00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: stay with a lot of people. It's on a lot

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00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: of people's minds. So he's basically trying to put himself

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00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: in that, you know, Donald Trump category and there's a

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00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 1: huge difference between Donald Trump, who says it's on a

1111
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: lot of people's minds, and you, you know, this was

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00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: this was interesting because I read this article and what

1113
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: Huffington's posted was they looked at his congressional website and

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00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: they realized that it was being run by the same

1115
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: like I P address or something that was running a

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00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: couple other websites. Yeah, which in those websites it was

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00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: like inellup, yes, s U I P E d dot org.

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00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: I don't even know you'd pronounce that or what it means.

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00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: And then instell apocalypse dot today and online forums for

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00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: pedophiles and violence minded misogynists. And he has a daughter

1121
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: that he doesn't have custody of and he would hope

1122
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: and he's on that he's on that website talking about

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00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: how he should be able to rape his daughter and

1124
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: all sorts of This guy is beyond any kind like

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01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: alts right or reactionary or right wing or anything. This

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01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: guy is a fucking psychopath. Like we are, we are

1127
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: right past any kind of political bullshit, not even like

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01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: this guy is just a fucking lunatic. So I the

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01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: thing that I would say is the reason this needs

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01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,919
Speaker 1: to be mentioned beyond just like condemning this and giving

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01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: a throat punch of the week, is I do worry

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01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: in this guy's congressional district. If there are not people

1133
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: out there vocals saying who this guy is, there are

1134
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: people who go to the polls and just go, oh, Republican,

1135
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: I'm a Republican. Did did this guy have any chance

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01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: at all of winning in his district? That I have

1137
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: no idea of? But I do. Um, let's see. Let's

1138
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: see if it says Larsen first ran for Congress in

1139
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. Um, however, real was that he

1140
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: was later disqualified after threatening to kill either former President

1141
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: George W. Bush or former President Obama. According to the Post,

1142
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: he spent fourteen months in federal prison for the threat.

1143
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: He says that Adolf Hitler is a white supremacist hero. Yeah,

1144
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: so I don't. I don't know his guns. Guns don't

1145
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: kill people feminists do. I don't know his chances. I mean,

1146
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: if he's not a felon, I would assume he can run.

1147
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: It's within his right, wasn't this, Um, it was something

1148
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: that he wasn't allowed to run. But then the governor

1149
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: of the state overturned it and said like, oh, now

1150
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: it's okay or something. Yeah, I don't know. I mean

1151
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: I was reading something about it, the point being because

1152
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: I haven't looked into this, I've just seen this article.

1153
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: But like, if this guy is on a primary um ballot,

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01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: I would just hope that or or worse, on any

1155
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: type of about where it's just Republican versus Democrat. I

1156
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: would just want people to be informed, this is who

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01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: you're voting for, has nothing to do with the party, Like,

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01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: whoever's opposing this guy vote for that? Well, I you

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01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: know what was really like, seals seals the deal. The

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01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: cherry on top of this whole thing is that when

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01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: the Huffington Post contacted him to talk about it, he

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01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: didn't like hang up the phone, he didn't get make

1163
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: angry denials. He just seems like he was nonchalantly, Yeah,

1164
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: we should be able to rape women and keep slaves,

1165
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: Like why not? Bro like that he's a fucking psycho,

1166
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: Like he really thinks there's nothing wrong with like pedophilia

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01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: and all this other crazy shit. So I just don't

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01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: want people to dismiss it and go, oh, this guy

1169
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: could never win, because you never know district you never know. Well,

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01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: I remember learning, you know, when I was younger about

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01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: David Duke running for UM Congress, and I think he's

1172
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: ran for a center. He's running for a lot of things.

1173
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: I think he tried to run for president at some point,

1174
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: but like at a time in Louisiana he actually did

1175
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: have a chance of getting a U S congressional seat.

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01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: So you never know. There are these districts in the

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Speaker 1: country with people who share crazy ideologies. Um so, just

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01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: I guess if you are someone who's a listener and

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01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 1: you happen to be in the tenth district of Virginia,

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01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: I highly doubt most people in the tenth District of

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01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: Virginia shared this ideology. I don't think there's any district

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01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 1: in the country where people do. But like, just make

1183
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: sure you don't vote for it, vote for whoever. Make

1184
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: sure you go to the polls and vote for whoever's

1185
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: opposing this guy, is my main point. If he's on

1186
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: the ballot, you don't want to normalize pedophilia Ian in

1187
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: cell Apocalypse, bro can't can't say do so throw it.

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01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: Punch of the Week goes to Nathan Lawson and um

1189
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: in Good News of people who run for Congress. You

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01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: guys might remember we a Navy sealed Dan Crenshaw on

1191
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: episode three sixteen, who seems like a great guy. Uh,

1192
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: this happened a while ago, but I just never got

1193
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: around to um mentioning it. And the fact that I

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01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: was going to do throw a punch of the week

1195
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 1: for this guy made me remember, um, Yeah, congratulations him

1196
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: by like a landslide. He won the UM primary in

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01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: Texas second District, second congressional district, so basically at this

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Speaker 1: point he has to run against the Democrat. I believe

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Speaker 1: he's in a very Republican district because I think he

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Speaker 1: primaried out someone who is like standing uh congressman error

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01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: I think, or or I think who was leaving the

1202
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 1: district at that point, um and retiring. So you know,

1203
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: if the seat was held by a Republican, most likely

1204
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: Dan will win. UM. But gratulations to Dan on winning

1205
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: his primary. You know, when we talked to him, I

1206
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: remember him saying, you know, this was his endeavor and

1207
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: he feels like this is a way he can continue

1208
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: to serve his country. Yeah, and and we do often

1209
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: talk about that we'd like to see more vets in office,

1210
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: more special operations vets not. That's not to say that

1211
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: they all are going to do a great job. No, No,

1212
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: because we've heard of you know, Eric Righten's and the

1213
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,479
Speaker 1: stuff that went down with him. So I have mixed

1214
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 1: feelings about it because I really, Um, on one hand, yes,

1215
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: I definitely want more veterans in government. I want people

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01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: who have served, people who have that military experience, people

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01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: who know what the troops go through, you know, where

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01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: the rubber meets the asphalt. They It's not like I

1219
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 1: feel like for a George Bush or no Bomba or

1220
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. It's all kind of abstracted, like they can't

1221
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: those people cannot understand what it's like to be in combat.

1222
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 1: Although when you say George Bush, George W. Bush, Georgie H. W.

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01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,959
Speaker 1: Bush did Sir h W did serve in combat? Um

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01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: And yes, um W was a privileged National Guard pilot

1225
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: or something like that. But um, So for that reason,

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01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: I do want more veterans in uh in office. But

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01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: then consider all the things I've said over the last

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01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: hour about veterans fighting each other, and um, you know,

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01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: the crazy right wing veterans, the crazy left wing veterans,

1230
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: how we all attack each other, how we behave like

1231
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: thirteen year olds on Instagram. The veteran community is not

1232
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 1: like all like fucking roses and sunshine. Yeah, so I

1233
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: have mixed feelings about it because we also carry with

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01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: us a lot of um arrogance and hubris and um

1235
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: you know, we carry our goes around than a kit bag.

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01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: So I personally would like to see more in general.

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01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: I mean because right now, who do you see in office?

1238
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: It's a lot of lawyers, like I personally prefer, generally speaking,

1239
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean everyone is great, but generally speaking or whatever,

1240
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: either see hold those speed seats, special operations veterans or

1241
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 1: like more lawyers just military veterans people who yeah, or

1242
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 1: some branch somewhere. Yeah, I would say nine times out

1243
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: of ten. I mean ideology matters. Yes, I'm you know,

1244
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 1: openly a more libertarian guy, but like, if it's someone

1245
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 1: with my idea ideological beliefs, I will probably take a

1246
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: veteran who knows their stuff over another lawyer. I mean,

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01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 1: I actually don't give a ship. I mean I I'm

1248
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 1: not at all opposed to voting for like a moderate

1249
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: Democrat who you know has a decent head on their shoulders,

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01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 1: or a moderate Republican like either of those, like, sign

1251
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: me up, I'll take it. You know, right, right now,

1252
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: we're in the situation where are these political parties have

1253
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: just gone gonzo? I agree. Yeah, But at the same time,

1254
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 1: like your job as a congressman, you know, really is

1255
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 1: just to vote yes and no on legislation. So I

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01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: I do want to vote for the guy who's gonna

1257
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: vote yes when I would vote no when I would

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01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 1: and like my own personal you know, interests. Yeah, and

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01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 1: and I mentioned this to Dan Cruncha on the podcast

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01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: and he agreed. Justin Amash who's a congressman in Michigan,

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01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: I he's the only one I've seen do it. So

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Speaker 1: that's why I'm mentioning him. Everything he votes on, he

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Speaker 1: puts it on Facebook, he's puts I voted yes or

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Speaker 1: no in this legislation. And here's why, like a quick

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Speaker 1: like two or three sentences on why I'd like to

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Speaker 1: see them all do that. Yeah, that's the way it

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Speaker 1: should be. I mean the direction things should be heading

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Speaker 1: in is that once a month, you jump on your

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Speaker 1: smartphone and you vote for the bill. Why do we

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Speaker 1: have congressman, Well, that's why I don't want to exist.

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Speaker 1: I believe what's his name who was very left wing

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Speaker 1: and ran for president, Mike Revel. I believe that's what

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Speaker 1: he wanted. It isn't it called like direct ballot initiative

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Speaker 1: type of thing where Yeah, that's what it is. But

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Speaker 1: people would worry that does lead to mob rule if

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Speaker 1: you have that as a whole. That's why we have

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Speaker 1: a representative republic over a pure democracy. It could be. Um,

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Speaker 1: I think that there is a time where, because we

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Speaker 1: didn't have these communications technologies, you have to alect somebody.

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Speaker 1: You have to have somebody who acts as a representative

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Speaker 1: for a large pool of people. Um. But if you

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Speaker 1: look at what the job our government is doing, it

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Speaker 1: seems like people are very dissatisfied with Congress, that our

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Speaker 1: government really isn't serving the people. Yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 1: just personally, I and I don't know. I think you

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Speaker 1: do too, but I get maybe not. I do favor

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Speaker 1: representative republic in a constitutional republic. For example, when you

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Speaker 1: see these surveys online of millennials saying that they're against

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Speaker 1: hate speech and want the government to legislate hate speech,

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Speaker 1: well what if they have direct ballot initiative that you know,

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Speaker 1: you could stop someone from saying what they want on

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Speaker 1: My belief is that's why we have a constitution. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we do, and you can't. You cannot pass a bill

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Speaker 1: that violates the Constitution. Yeah. So it doesn't matter if

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Speaker 1: millennials vote to you know, curb the First Amendment. You

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Speaker 1: can't do that. Yeah. So, so you would like to

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Speaker 1: eliminate all of Congress. I mean, I'm not saying like

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Speaker 1: we should just like fucking take a blowtorch to Congress tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: but I'm saying over the long term, we should look

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Speaker 1: at ways that we can eliminate some of these unnecessary

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Speaker 1: gate keepers in our government and maybe we can have

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Speaker 1: more of a direct democracy. I mean, I'm also a

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Speaker 1: big proponent of having constitutional democracies. But the future is coming, buddy,

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01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 1: you know, the mediator is coming. Let's not be the dinosaur.

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01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna have to evolve. We're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to look at new systems of governance. Yeah. I just

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Speaker 1: I would not want to see something that resembles mob

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Speaker 1: rule of Yeah. I mean, we're you can reflect back

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Speaker 1: on the podcast we did with John rob I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're already seeing mob rule because our government is failing

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01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: to provide so what's happening is that you're seeing individuals,

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Speaker 1: groups of individuals, and these mega corporations jumping in to

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Speaker 1: fill that void, to to kind of create that social stability.

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Speaker 1: Here's the two things I would like to see happen,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know how realistic they are. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if these are realistic solutions, but I agree with them. Um.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember there was the Supreme Court decision a

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Speaker 1: few years back of I'm trying to think of what

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01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 1: it was called, but it was basically getting corp corporate

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Speaker 1: money out of politics and it was shot down. I surprised,

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Speaker 1: but I agreed with it being shot down because of

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Speaker 1: the fact that it didn't address UM. It didn't address

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Speaker 1: unions having money in politics. So the problem I think

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Speaker 1: is typically this might not be the case now because

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Speaker 1: you look at all the corporate money Hillary Clinton got,

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Speaker 1: but typically big businesses favored Republicans, unions favorite Democrats. So

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Speaker 1: if you get all the money out of corporations giving

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Speaker 1: to politicians, I do think Democrats would have a um

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Speaker 1: basically step up if they got all this big union money.

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Speaker 1: So I think if you were able to eliminate money

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Speaker 1: in politics completely, get out the union money, get out

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Speaker 1: the corporation money, or just drastically decrease the app of

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Speaker 1: what they could donate. I'd be all for that, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a realistic thing. The left

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01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 1: really doesn't want to hear that stuff about unions, and

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Speaker 1: I mean, the reason why we can't have police reform

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Speaker 1: in this country, the reason why we can't have education

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Speaker 1: reform in this country is largely due to police unions.

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Speaker 1: Like the reason why we can't take like why the

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01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: hell can't you just fire police officers? Why can't why

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01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 1: can't there be a like strong accountability um for some

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01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 1: of the things we see and address some of these issues.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people have issues with law enforcement, including

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01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure law enforcement also the uh there are police

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01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: officers who see ways we can reform. Oh yeah, I

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01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 1: remember um ad Man Gano in Nashville County, for example.

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Speaker 1: His whole big thing and he had some corruption issues,

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01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 1: but like just going on before that, his whole big

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01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 1: thing was low taxes. Like he ran on the taxbuster platform,

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Speaker 1: uh and Republican, but he ran on two different you

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01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 1: know things on the ballad. But his one of the

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Speaker 1: main things was like, all right, we're gonna cut police

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Speaker 1: force in Nasa County. And then the police union was like, whoa,

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01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,520
Speaker 1: but if you look at Nasa County and look, I

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Speaker 1: respect police force, but like Nasa County in general, a

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Speaker 1: lot of these police are just kind of like meter maids,

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Speaker 1: people giving tickets for minor speeding violations, social welfare. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you know, I do think it's okay to like

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Speaker 1: reduce the police force if you want to, like it

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01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: is a way to reduce taxes. If you're four lower taxes,

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Speaker 1: that money is to come from somewhere. Yeah, you know,

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01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: you can't just be like, hey, I want a giant

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Speaker 1: police force and lower taxes and like all the you know,

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Speaker 1: the money has to come. So so yeah, I agree

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Speaker 1: with you on that. But yeah, it's like when I

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Speaker 1: see the hitpies out on the streets saying we need

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Speaker 1: to shut that nuclear power plants, like funk is my

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01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 1: electricity gonna come from? Yeah? Oh yeah, you haven't thought

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Speaker 1: that one through. Uh So then this I said two things.

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Speaker 1: The second thing I'd like to see happen was actually

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Speaker 1: have heard it articulated by Jesse Ventur of all people.

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Speaker 1: But I like, no, this is not that crazy. But

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Speaker 1: idea I like the idea, and I've never heard anyone

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01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: say it because people say, oh, we need a third party.

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01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,679
Speaker 1: You know, the two parties have a stranglehold. Once again,

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01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 1: don't know how realistic it is. But Jesse Ventur, I've

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Speaker 1: I've heard say that he'd like to eliminate all parties

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Speaker 1: and you can only run on your ideology and your

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01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 1: own ideas, and it's not you know, you go to

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Speaker 1: the ballot, you vote for the R, you vote for

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Speaker 1: the D. I think they'd be great, Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: I I also think it would be great. I hate

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Speaker 1: parties and I actually hate ideologies. I think ideologies are

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Speaker 1: silly as fuck. But you identify as more of a

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01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: libertarian minded guy, right, I mean yes, But ideologies are

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01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 1: just a bunch of inconsistent beliefs that get bumbled together

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Speaker 1: just to game voting demographics like ideologies are for kids basically,

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Speaker 1: so it's it's so that you don't have to think,

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Speaker 1: so that you can just go, like you said, go

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Speaker 1: and vote for the D or vote for the R.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to think about ship. That's that's why

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Speaker 1: I hate ideology. So for lazy people, I think that's

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01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 1: more of hating parties. Though. I mean, I I consider

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01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 1: myself a pretty ideological How do you separate the party

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01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: from the ideology? Um, here's okay. Whenever we bring up

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Speaker 1: this stuff. By the way, the people on the podcast,

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01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 1: we are just like just stick to special operations, so

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01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 1: and talk about this stuff. I guess I don't know

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01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 1: what to say, turn off the podcast at this point

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Speaker 1: because like we're done with the special operations stuff at

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01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 1: this point and want to talk about this and why not? Um,

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01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 1: I I would separate in this way. And this is

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01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 1: just my opinion. I personally look at Donald Trump as

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01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 1: a more big government guy, uh, you know, with some

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01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 1: of the stuff that he wants to do. Ideologically, I

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01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 1: am a very small government guy. I want to see

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01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 1: like less executive orders, a more weak federal government, a

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01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: more states rights minded federal Uh sorry, states rights state government. Um, yeah,

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01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 1: those are general my ideology. I'm like constitutionalist. I'm a libertarian.

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Speaker 1: Like I think that's a defined ideology that not all

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Speaker 1: Republicans seem to agree with. Democrats certainly don't agree with. Yeah,

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01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 1: I mean the small government, like you know, you're talking

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01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 1: like Ronald Reagan, ron Paul Barry Goldwater. Ya that that

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01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 1: Republican Party has gone that doesn't exist anymore. But it's

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01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 1: an ideology, yeah it is, But I mean, how does

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Speaker 1: this answer my question about how you separate parties from ideology,

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01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 1: because because I think you could be a you know,

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01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 1: you need something to define what what you believe. Like,

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I don't like labels for everything.

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01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 1: But if someone were to ask me, like, hey, how

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01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 1: do you look at government? I have those. I'm a constitutionalist,

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Speaker 1: I'm a libertarian. You know, I'm I'm small. It's easy

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Speaker 1: to some Yeah, well that's what I'm saying. It's an

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01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 1: intellectual shortcut because it's like an easy way to take

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01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 1: a snapshot and just throw at somebody on this and

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01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 1: they have some sort of like you need to have

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01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 1: some sort If someone goes up to you Jack and says,

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01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 1: what's your ideology and government? You have to have something right.

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01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 1: You can't just say like, I just go with That's

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01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 1: why if you put me on the spot, i'd i'd

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01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 1: say libertarian because I'm probably fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

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01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:13,560
Speaker 1: But then there's all these caveats and we have to

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01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: go issue through issue. For instance, I'm much more hawkish

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01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: on foreign policy. Than Ron Paul. You know, I I

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01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 1: and I also think there is some role for government,

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01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 1: um social plans or political economy solutions. You know, when

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01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 1: we look at places like the rust belt, maybe there

1438
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 1: are options for quote unquote socialism where the government goes

1439
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 1: in there and like does some sort of like economic

1440
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: stimulus in stimulating new industries and new types of jobs

1441
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 1: to help those people out. And I think there are

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01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 1: roles for government where they can have a um, a

1443
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: positive influence on people's lives via social programs. And yet

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01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 1: I do not advocate socialism or or like broad social programs.

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01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 1: I don't want everybody in America relying on the government

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01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 1: that way. But I do acknowledge that there are social

1447
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 1: programs out there that can be beneficial to people into

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01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 1: society as a whole. Yeah, I uh, I think I

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01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 1: disagree with that on some level because I just think

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01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 1: of the Cylinder debacle and like, I don't like the

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01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 1: government picking winners. You know, Like Cylinder was done as

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01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 1: an effort to, oh, we're going to prop up the

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01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 1: solar industry in the you know, wind industry, and it

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01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:30,719
Speaker 1: turned out like they picked the failing corporation with our

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01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 1: tax dollars like I want to I don't want to

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01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 1: see that. Well, we do that all the time, but

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01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 1: I disagree with I don't think it's constitutional. I don't

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01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 1: think it's well, you can have corporations bid on the ideas.

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01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 1: I mean there can be there can still be you know,

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01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 1: market solutions within a government initiative. But anyway, I am

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Speaker 1: on the same page with you of your point of

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01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: here's how I see it. All right, you can have

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01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 1: an ideology, you could separate from those under that umbrella

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01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 1: on ccific issues that you may disagree with you. I

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01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 1: may be under the more right wing umbrella on a

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01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 1: lot of things, but that doesn't you know, sometimes when

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01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: people hear that, they'll, oh, you're against game marriage. Then no,

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01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 1: I'm completely for game marriage, you know. So I do

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01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:19,680
Speaker 1: think it it it makes it easy for us to

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Speaker 1: vote our ord so that that that's basically why I

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Speaker 1: agree with the Jesse event or idea of get rid

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Speaker 1: of all the parties just vote based on the person

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01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 1: in their ideology, but I mean their beliefs, So getting

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01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 1: rid of parties. Tell me how that's constitutional? Um? No,

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Speaker 1: I was just well, there's not is there anything really

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01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 1: in the constitute Freedom of Assembly? Buddy. Yeah, yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't want the government to do it. I don't know.

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01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 1: That's that's a hard choice. It's Jack and I talked

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01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 1: about this stuff before the podcast starts, because we were

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01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 1: talking about the government cracking down on fake news and

1481
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:56,639
Speaker 1: like who who's the arbiter of what is fake news?

1482
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,599
Speaker 1: And Facebook and Twitter playing their games. Yeah, and that's

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01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 1: becoming a big I mean, you do see more and

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01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 1: more millennials saying like, yeah, I do want to get

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01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 1: rid of fake news. And well, I mean I think

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01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 1: young people have probably always been like that. It's that

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01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 1: sort of like passionate conviction, like I don't like something

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01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 1: therefore eliminated outlaw, get rid of it. Yeah. I think

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01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 1: a lot of young people would. I'd have to really

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01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 1: do a true study on this, but I think they

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01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 1: would actually from what I've seen, Like the idea how

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01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 1: in certain countries you can be jailed, for example, for

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01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 1: writing a book denying the Holocaust. I don't want to

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01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 1: see that happen because of the unintended consequences, that it's shortsighted,

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01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:40,639
Speaker 1: because because then what happens. Oh, there's people who say

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01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 1: denying climate change is like denying the Holocaust, and then

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01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna put a person in jail for writing a

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01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 1: book that has a different view on that. You know,

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01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 1: so and it's in this is okay. So this even

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01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,520
Speaker 1: gets more interesting when you look in the far fringes

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01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: both uh in America, the fascists and communists, and these

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01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 1: groups of people exist. They both advocate nationalizing the Internet.

1503
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 1: They see the Internet and by extension, social media as

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01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 1: a public good and they want to nationalize all of

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01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 1: it and um put it under you know, like the

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01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 1: post office or something like that. So they these extreme

1507
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 1: political extremist groups they both identify with and understand uh

1508
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 1: the power of the Internet and social media in today's politics,

1509
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 1: and they want to seize control of it. Yeah, but

1510
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 1: then the question is for those people, for the ideological

1511
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 1: people like that, like what happens when the leader is

1512
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 1: now a guy that you don't like wants to use

1513
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 1: that same power. Again, it's shortsighted into the people. Let's

1514
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 1: say today, since this is more topical, people on the left,

1515
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 1: they say we need to or I should say some

1516
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 1: people on the left would advocate, perhaps we should outlaw

1517
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 1: Nazism and make the um use of public use of

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01:20:55,439 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 1: Nazi um symbolism, swastikas and things like that illegal, or

1519
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:04,680
Speaker 1: or certain types of Nazi pro Nazi speech illegal. So

1520
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 1: what you're saying is that you want people like Donald

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01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 1: Trump and Jeff's Sessions to regulate speech. Now, if you're

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01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 1: on the left, is this really what you want? Like,

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01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 1: think to think this through, buddy, think it through. Is

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01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 1: this what you want? And it's incredibly shortsighted. I don't

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01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 1: like Nazism any better than than they do. And maybe

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01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 1: you know the current president he uh, he outlaws a

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01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:31,719
Speaker 1: certain type of speech we dislike. But am I willing

1528
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 1: to roll the dice that five administrations from now that

1529
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,680
Speaker 1: guy is going to be some kind of angel and

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01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 1: that he's not gonna, you know, drop the hammer on

1531
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 1: me and you for for doing a podcast like this

1532
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 1: because we express some sort of dissent with the government.

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01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 1: It also doesn't you can outlaw the legislation, but it's

1534
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 1: it's not going to change people's mind. No, it's gonna

1535
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 1: drive it further underground. And if you don't think there's

1536
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 1: neo Nazis in Germany, I don't know if the fact

1537
01:21:55,840 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 1: you're a moron, because Germany's laws are extremely strict on

1538
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,400
Speaker 1: that type of thing. And it's the same thing you said.

1539
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 1: In Europe there is a much stronger fascist movement than

1540
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 1: in the United States. You want to know how crazy

1541
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 1: Look at what's going on in Italy right now. Yeah,

1542
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:11,639
Speaker 1: you want to know how crazy it is in Germany

1543
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 1: for example. And this goes into like my area of

1544
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 1: expertise as a fan of like eighties rock. I don't

1545
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 1: know if you know this. When Kiss who by the way,

1546
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 1: two of the members, you know, the main guys are Jewish.

1547
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 1: When Kiss plays Germany, they can have the original logo

1548
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 1: because it looks like the s Oh yeah, they changed

1549
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 1: the logo for really Germany. Yeah, no ship because you

1550
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 1: can't have any of that imagery. And I'm pretty you know,

1551
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 1: pretty sure too. I don't even remember Gene Simmons real

1552
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 1: name is Time something like pretty sure. He's not not

1553
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 1: border mother, is a Holocaust survivor. He's a big supporter

1554
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 1: of the State of Israel. Oh, absolutely absolutely, and and

1555
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 1: no bigger capitalist than him for sure. Yeah. I actually

1556
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:55,679
Speaker 1: was saying I'd love to get him on Power of Thought,

1557
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 1: maybe even on this podcast, would be pretty cool. Let's

1558
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 1: sit down to Gene. Yeah, he's an interest thing can

1559
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 1: And I do like that about him that he's kind

1560
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 1: of like open about all of it. He's like, oh, kiss,

1561
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 1: this is a business brother, you know. Yeah. Yeah. He

1562
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:10,679
Speaker 1: even signs his name with the dollar sign. Yeah. And

1563
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 1: and he trademarked a certain image of the money bag

1564
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 1: is owned by Gene Simmons. Yeah, he's the most shameless

1565
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:20,640
Speaker 1: of anyone about it. I I read his Uh, I

1566
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 1: read one of his more recent books. But yeah, he's

1567
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 1: been on Will Cow Show. So I tried to get

1568
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 1: him on Power. Thought maybe on here would be cool.

1569
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:30,599
Speaker 1: I'm I'm all for, you know, because look, we'll always

1570
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:33,680
Speaker 1: have the special operations guys on also the guys like

1571
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 1: Matthew Betley who are veterans writing stuff. But I'm all

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01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 1: for like opening it to other interesting people. When we

1573
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:43,600
Speaker 1: can do this, audience would dig so cool. Well, we

1574
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 1: went long this one political rant, complete political rants, and uh,

1575
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:50,759
Speaker 1: hopefully the people who write me or or the comments

1576
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 1: you just say, just stick to stop state. Wait, we'll

1577
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 1: always do that. But you know we're not gonna read

1578
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 1: my hate review. Oh you want me to read my

1579
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 1: hate review? All right? I will read the Jack Murphy

1580
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: hate review. And to be fair, we get plenty of these,

1581
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 1: uh for all of us, but we mostly get positive reviews.

1582
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 1: If you want to um, comeback that and write a

1583
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:13,719
Speaker 1: five star positive review, we greatly appreciate it. On Apple podcast.

1584
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 1: So yeah, this is the latest. Uh all right, and

1585
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,679
Speaker 1: this is from Audio Philly. It's funny. We we get

1586
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 1: so many positive reviews and we never read them on air,

1587
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 1: so we're giving attention to the guy who doesn't like us. Uh.

1588
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 1: So there's this character called Jack, and Jack is in

1589
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 1: quotes quote unquote Jack, who believes himself to be the

1590
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 1: Wonderful counselor the mighty Man, the everlasting power myth sounds accurate,

1591
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 1: the Prince of elites. He cracks me up, really with

1592
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:48,520
Speaker 1: his overblown sense of self righteousness and natural superiority. Sometimes

1593
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 1: he somehow ropes actual human beings into talking to him.

1594
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:54,720
Speaker 1: Let the guests be your guide. If the guest is

1595
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 1: of interest, then listen to this. Try to miss the

1596
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 1: opening yammer from Jack and his lackey ian Ian alone

1597
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 1: would probably be okay. Unfortunately, Jack is I'm the present

1598
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 1: well as befits a superior being. I don't know what

1599
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 1: kind of accent he's putting on, but it's highly annoying.

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01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 1: It's northeastern. If the owners managers, grand pubas of this

1601
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:19,600
Speaker 1: outfit want to bring it up a notch, get a

1602
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:22,719
Speaker 1: new quote, star Bro. He makes me sound like Doctor

1603
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 1: Manhattan and the Watchman, Like I'm I'm just a being

1604
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:29,639
Speaker 1: of pure blue light hovering above all of you. Oh,

1605
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 1: I don't know why the dude has his panties in

1606
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: a not though, Like what what does he even mean?

1607
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 1: I guess he looks at you as like what we

1608
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:42,680
Speaker 1: would call a coastal elitis, a coastal elite man, like

1609
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:45,560
Speaker 1: my mom was a waitress, my dad was a carpenter,

1610
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:50,679
Speaker 1: like I don't live in Trump Tower, Bro. But okay, well,

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01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:54,719
Speaker 1: please keep the five star reviews coming. We love getting those.

1612
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 1: But I actually do read every single review. And you know,

1613
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 1: how do you do do you do that to yourself?

1614
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 1: In I like to share that people are still read

1615
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:05,680
Speaker 1: the comments. Well, you know what, to be fair, if

1616
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:08,839
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about this, sometimes people have guided

1617
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 1: me in the right direction. There's some good stuff because

1618
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 1: I like to see what the audience likes. And um, look,

1619
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 1: there's people who like this type of thing. When we

1620
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 1: go outside of our normal thing and talk about different things.

1621
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 1: There's people who don't. But then there's when I see

1622
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 1: like an overwhelming part of the audience, um saying something.

1623
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:31,799
Speaker 1: I reading my book reviews on Amazon, there's sometimes sometimes

1624
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:34,559
Speaker 1: there's like three star reviews, and if you read it,

1625
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 1: like the person actually has like some valid points and

1626
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 1: you can actually learn something from it. And it's it's

1627
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 1: you can't write a book that appeals to all audiences.

1628
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, some of those people who give like lukewarm reviews,

1629
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, I see what you're saying. Yeah. The

1630
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 1: biggest of which for me was when I came on board,

1631
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 1: and you know, there, when something new comes to something

1632
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 1: that people are listening to there, it's gonna be like

1633
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:58,639
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly a little bit like hey, we want the old

1634
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 1: thing back. Yeah. So I read a lot of those

1635
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:04,559
Speaker 1: and it shaped how I wanted to do this show

1636
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:07,040
Speaker 1: because I was like, if this is what the audience wants,

1637
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 1: then this is how I'm gonna do things. And um, yeah,

1638
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 1: you know for example, this audience. There there's shows where

1639
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 1: it's like a more of a back and forth with

1640
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 1: the guests and they don't let the guests go, Like

1641
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 1: when we had Evan Barrow on and answer to a

1642
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 1: question could be ten minutes. I've learned from from reviews

1643
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 1: verything this audience really likes that. They don't want me

1644
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:30,800
Speaker 1: to interrupt or you to interrupt when guests has like

1645
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 1: a really good train of thought for ten minutes. And

1646
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 1: like in the past, there's been times where that type

1647
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 1: of stuff has been interrupted and it gets a really

1648
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 1: negative reaction from the audience. I've learned like, don't do

1649
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 1: that what these guys do because they have just great

1650
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 1: gen and we have we have an opportunity with this

1651
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:50,719
Speaker 1: podcast to have some like really savvy guests on and

1652
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 1: we're not limited by time or commercial breaks or any

1653
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 1: of that kind of stuff. So like Evan Barrow is

1654
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 1: a good example, because that guy really knows his stuff.

1655
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 1: Doesn't grant a whole lot of interviews. So I mean,

1656
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:04,519
Speaker 1: you want to let him talk, let him get his

1657
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:07,559
Speaker 1: point across, because he has some really important things to that. Yeah,

1658
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:09,720
Speaker 1: So stuff like that, Like early on, when I would

1659
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:12,639
Speaker 1: see like honestly, like Ian, don't interrupt the guests here,

1660
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 1: I'd be like, Okay, the fair point and stop doing

1661
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 1: that type of thing, and uh but no, yeah, I

1662
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:21,639
Speaker 1: I don't let it get to me whether it's positive

1663
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 1: or negative. I think like doing this for as long

1664
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 1: as I have, like it creates a confidence and like

1665
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 1: I have an idea of what sounds good or even

1666
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 1: for example, there's people who want to hear um, you know,

1667
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:37,439
Speaker 1: maybe like George hand On with another Delta Force guy

1668
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 1: at the same time, and I've always kind of put

1669
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 1: my foot down and like I just want one guest

1670
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 1: on Skype at a time. It just becomes too much

1671
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 1: overlapping noise. I like something I learned when I was

1672
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 1: in you know, getting a degree in radio at Hofstra

1673
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:53,600
Speaker 1: was like some of the times where you're having the

1674
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:55,720
Speaker 1: most fun on air and everyone is laughing and having

1675
01:28:55,760 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 1: a great time is sometimes like the worst, most unlistenable radio. Yeah,

1676
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 1: and you have too many people on there. Everyone's talking

1677
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:08,559
Speaker 1: over each other. Yeah. I hate those fucking panels on Hannity,

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Speaker 1: to be honest, where it's like it's a bleacher of

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Speaker 1: like twenty people and everyone wants to get their time in.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's pass the microphone around. Yeah. So I

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Speaker 1: remember one. I always say, like I remember one where

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Speaker 1: there were military guys in the panel. Was Nick Irving

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Speaker 1: was there, John Jilam was there, But then there was

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Speaker 1: like Michelle Fields and Joe Takapina, a Rod's lawyer, and

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Speaker 1: they're asking questions about isis and it's like Michelle Fields

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Speaker 1: and Joe Taca Pina hugging, and I'm like, why do

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Speaker 1: I care about their opinion? You know? And so I

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Speaker 1: let that be a guide for me on here. For example,

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Speaker 1: if we're talking about something that's Jack's expertise or an audience,

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Speaker 1: I'm able to sit back and let you guys go

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Speaker 1: if I want to go on a rant, as I

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Speaker 1: did earlier about sat Mar Jus, I know more than

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Speaker 1: you guys, So all right, I hope you guys enjoyed this.

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Speaker 1: We will be back next episode. With a guy who

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Speaker 1: served in the British Moral Marines, became an amputee and

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Speaker 1: went on to run marathons, which I think is pretty cool. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I have his book over here? Where is it? Here

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Speaker 1: we go You'll Never Walk by Andy Grant. Oh and

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Speaker 1: you you know why that's the title. I'm sure we'll

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Speaker 1: get into it because they told him he never walk No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: this is pretty crazy. He had a tattoo on his

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Speaker 1: leg that said you'll never walk alone. And then when

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Speaker 1: his leg was amputated, Ironically, the tattoo became You'll never

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Speaker 1: walk O ship I'm looking for because when you see it,

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Speaker 1: you're like, that's not a really good title, but then

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Speaker 1: when you hear the reason for the title, you're like, Wow,

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Speaker 1: that's powerful. That is fucking unreal. Well, thankfully that turned

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Speaker 1: out not to be true. Yeah, so we'll talk to

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