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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get

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Speaker 1: to the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today,

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Speaker 1: we're joined by Jonathan Gilliam. He's a former Navy seal,

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Speaker 1: former FBI agent Air Marshall, and we're going to get

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Speaker 1: his take on a lot of these political attacks, this

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Speaker 1: political violence that we're seeing in the country. That shocking

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Speaker 1: attack on an LDS church in Michigan, to the sniper

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Speaker 1: course the devastating assassination of Charlie Kirk in Utah. We're

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Speaker 1: going to unpack the tactical, the investigative, and the societal

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Speaker 1: layers of all these incidents. Do they have anything in common,

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Speaker 1: how do we stop them? What's next for all of this.

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Speaker 1: We'll get Jonathan's expertise on all of that. Also, we're

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Speaker 1: going to explore the Department of War Pete hegsas bold

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Speaker 1: military reforms. We saw speeches from President Trump and heg

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Speaker 1: Seth addressing admirals and generals from you know, calling them

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Speaker 1: all to Quantico from across the world. What do these

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Speaker 1: changes mean for the military? Well, also again to that

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Speaker 1: indictment of James Comy, what does Jonathan think as a

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Speaker 1: former FBI agent. So join us as Jonathan breaks down

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Speaker 1: all these important events what it means for nations security

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Speaker 1: in the future. Well, Jonathan, it's great to have you

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Speaker 1: on the show. A lot going on in your area

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Speaker 1: of expertise, So looking forward to getting your insight on

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Speaker 1: all this stuff. I wanted to start out obviously, you

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Speaker 1: know you worked in the FBI. A federal grand jury

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Speaker 1: recently indicted Comy on charges of making a false statement

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Speaker 1: gave back in twenty twenty. Now Comy says he's innocent.

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Speaker 1: So what do you make of that? Where do you

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Speaker 1: secure a conviction against Comy the former FBI director.

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Speaker 2: Well, that the big question is will any kind of

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Speaker 2: conviction come out of this? I mean, that's the hard

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Speaker 2: part about going after Washington d C insiders. And make

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Speaker 2: no mistake about it, Comy Moeller, chrispher Ray, all the

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Speaker 2: previous FBI directors are all insiders of the beltwayh They

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Speaker 3: The directors of the FBI.

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Speaker 2: Which is I have a problem with that because as

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Speaker 2: we see, the DOJ is very liberal. That's not something

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Speaker 2: years and years. And they're also very politically connected. That's

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Speaker 2: why we don't get these convictions.

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Speaker 3: So when you hand.

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Speaker 2: Those people over to the bureau to lead the bureau,

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Speaker 2: it's already a recipe for disaster of the justice system.

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Speaker 2: So when we look at Komy and the reality of

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Speaker 2: who this guy is, he's actually the same as Christopher

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Speaker 2: and Robert Mueller. So that's why of conviction is important.

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Speaker 2: But that's why it's also going to be just extremely difficult.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I would say even more difficult than going

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Speaker 2: So but here's the other thing atle say, is that

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Speaker 2: I know that they're just initially charging these things obstruction

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Speaker 2: I don't think the lying part is difficult to show.

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Speaker 2: The obstruction may not be either, because he has his

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Speaker 2: But I think that there's so many other charges that

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Speaker 2: his associates. If I did any of those things as

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Speaker 3: So I I hope that they get this a.

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Speaker 2: Charge because it will lead them to where they can

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Speaker 2: do more investigations, a deeper investigation on Comy, but also

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Speaker 2: It showed that they were committing crimes in furtherance of

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Speaker 1: And it's also in a you know, liberal part of

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Speaker 1: And you know, Comy's obviously made no secret about sort

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Speaker 2: That's the thing that's extremely egregious about Comy is that

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Speaker 3: You could just tell that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he he institutionalized this terrible, terrible morale into

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Speaker 3: And he just did things that were.

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Speaker 2: That you could see that he wasn't doing it to

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Speaker 2: He was under Moler, we had a new Diogue, which

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Speaker 3: That's what they said.

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Speaker 2: They were going to do with the FBI. And we

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Speaker 2: of like a street crimes unit. And that was kind

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Speaker 3: So this started with it progressed.

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Speaker 3: But he's an actor.

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Speaker 2: He's I believe he's a psychopathic narcissist when you look

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Speaker 1: Is a little worrisome in terms of like I mean,

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Speaker 2: Well, I think, yeah, that's because they're there. That shows

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Speaker 2: the ideology. At least, it shows the ideology of who

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Speaker 2: And I've given Pete Hexath, I've given him a lot

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Speaker 2: that that's transparency. I believe those are clicks, But I

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Speaker 2: or using the public to further their investigations, that's great.

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Speaker 3: But I've been really hard.

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Speaker 2: On Pete Hexath because I feel like it's too much

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Speaker 2: He knows a lot more than they probably realize. Now

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Speaker 1: it's like it's still but you know, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: he sort of summoned like generals and admirals, hundreds of

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Speaker 1: do you make of that meeting? And and like, did

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Speaker 1: from the the Secretary.

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Speaker 2: I did, And listen, this is what you cannot restructure

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Speaker 2: these entities within the government, so the Department of War,

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Speaker 2: which listen. I don't want to take credit for that, Lisa,

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Speaker 2: but I've been saying that for years. I've been on Fox,

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Speaker 2: to the Department of War. But also they need to

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Speaker 2: seen occurred, whether they're ideological or whether they are just

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Speaker 2: individuals that are confused about life. We're seeing veterans shoot

438
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Speaker 2: up and blow up things New Year's Date. Both of

439
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Speaker 2: those individuals that carried out two different types of attacks

440
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Speaker 2: were veterans. One was Special Forces and he just wanted

441
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Speaker 2: to kill himself in a you know, go out in

442
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: a bang of glory for some weird delusional reason. So

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00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: the other guy was associated with fundamental Islam. So now

444
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Speaker 2: we're starting to see all these people who are transgender

445
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 2: with specific engravings on their bullets, writings on their magazines

446
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 2: and their guns. That's an evolutionary tactic of basically spreading

447
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Speaker 2: fear and intimidation through their violence. And so I think

448
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Speaker 2: we have and I think the Bureau has enough to

449
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Speaker 2: start looking into where is this coming from? The military

450
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Speaker 2: stuff is odd because these people are acting this stuff out.

451
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Speaker 2: And I don't think the guy with the Mormon Church

452
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Speaker 2: is probably going to be found to be a leftist.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about the guy that was offshore.

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Speaker 2: Both of those things sound like they had beefs with

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Speaker 2: delusional or otherwise they did not like that specific group

456
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 2: and so they went after them. But still the act

457
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 2: of multi pronged attacks or shooting up a restaurant, that

458
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Speaker 2: is not something that veterans would ever do before. So

459
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Speaker 2: there's something's changed there. But with the left and where

460
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Speaker 2: that's concerned, I believe that there's enough evidence to start

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Speaker 2: an investigation just to look into what type of grooming

462
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Speaker 2: has happened and how it's occurred in who's carried it out.

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Speaker 2: And I think if they did the investigation correctly, they

464
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Speaker 2: would find that there's a link back to all of

465
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Speaker 2: these people that we've talked about the beginning of this show,

466
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Speaker 2: the Komi's, the Molers, the Department of Education, all these judges.

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Speaker 2: It's if you take a step back, Lisa, if I

468
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Speaker 2: drew on a hundred foot wall a big mural that

469
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Speaker 2: showed all this stuff, but I only let you stand

470
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Speaker 2: two inches away from the wall, you're not going to

471
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Speaker 2: be able to see it. But when you start to

472
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 2: step back, things become revealed. And that's where we are now.

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Speaker 2: We could look and see this huge mural of all

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Speaker 2: these players, and I don't think it's any coincidence that

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Speaker 2: the judges side with the left, that Mueller, Comy Christy

476
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: or Christopher Ray. They all side with the left. The

477
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 2: shooter side with the left, the teacher side with the

478
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Speaker 2: left that groomed them. I think this is a system

479
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Speaker 2: that needs to be investigated as a whole.

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Speaker 1: I guess how do you stop it? Then? You know,

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Speaker 1: because even laying out with like the the church shooter,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I mean, these are you know, sort

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Speaker 1: of different kinds of people, different goals and objectives. So

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Speaker 1: it's like, how do you stop this? How do you

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Speaker 1: stop that?

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Speaker 2: That's a good question, and the main answer is the

487
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Speaker 2: one that nobody wants to hear, is that in order

488
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Speaker 2: to stop each individual attack that's going to come down

489
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Speaker 2: to the people, the citizens, You're going to have to

490
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Speaker 2: do threat assessments of your church. You're going to have

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Speaker 2: to hire companies like you know, I'm in Central America

492
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: right now with or South America with a client, and

493
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 2: everywhere we go every day, I do a threat assessment

494
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Speaker 2: before we go there, you know, and I know, from

495
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: an attacker's point of view, who would attack based on

496
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Speaker 2: historical things that are happening. The avenue approach that they

497
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Speaker 2: would that they would use, the type of attack, when

498
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Speaker 2: would be the best time to do it, and where

499
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Speaker 2: would be the best place to carry it out. I

500
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Speaker 2: do that every day, and all my other operators that

501
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: work for me, they're on different entertainment tours and things,

502
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 2: and they're doing those things every day. Last in the

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Speaker 2: past two years, we've did over a thousand arenas where

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Speaker 2: we did these threat assessments. And I know when I

505
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Speaker 2: go in there because I can look at the way

506
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Speaker 2: that their security is laid out, that they have not

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Speaker 2: done these threat assessments. I could go to any school

508
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Speaker 2: right now and tell you that they most likely.

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Speaker 3: I've actually had a school.

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Speaker 2: Tell me they didn't want to spend the money that

511
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Speaker 2: I was going to charge them, which wasn't an exuberant

512
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Speaker 2: amount on They weren't going to spend the money on

513
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Speaker 2: a threat assessment to bring them in. They were going

514
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Speaker 2: to spend it on building planters for beautification of the school.

515
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Speaker 2: And then literally six months later, not that school, but

516
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Speaker 2: about fifty miles away a school had a shooting. So

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Speaker 2: they're not interested in doing these threat assessments, and that's

518
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Speaker 2: what needs to happen. Schools churches, malls. Yeah, some people

519
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Speaker 2: still go to malls, stadiums, and arenas, all entertainment venues

520
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Speaker 2: and targets that maybe have some type of political nature

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Speaker 2: to them. People need to realize parades, for instance, that's

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Speaker 2: what I was looking for. They need to start doing

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Speaker 2: better threat assessments and realize you don't have to buy

524
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Speaker 2: the latest and greatest security equipment. You can park cars

525
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Speaker 2: in a certain place and people won't be able to

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Speaker 2: drive a vehicle in there, for instance, and crash into

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Speaker 2: a building, set it on fire. You can hire or

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Speaker 2: not even higher. You can have volunteers from the church armed.

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Speaker 2: Lots of churches have armed security that are there.

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Speaker 3: People that go to.

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Speaker 2: Church there and they they take former military or law

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Speaker 2: enforcement or even people just get their concealed weapons carry

533
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Speaker 2: and they go and they practice and come in there

534
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Speaker 2: and they are their security. They while the sermons happening,

535
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Speaker 2: they're sitting out front looking for anything and.

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Speaker 3: That that has actually stopped some of these attacks.

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Speaker 2: So in order to stop the individual attacks, it's we

538
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: the people are going to have to step up to

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00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: the plate. If but in order to stop the movement,

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Speaker 2: that's going to be the government and really the Stopping

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Speaker 2: the attacks is the easy part. Stopping the movement is

542
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Speaker 2: the hard part. And that's where President Trump, his agency leaders,

543
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: and all these people who work for these agencies should

544
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Speaker 2: start stepping forward and saying I disagree with this totally.

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Speaker 2: You know that I can see that people are getting

546
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Speaker 2: pushed forward because of their gender or because of their sexuality,

547
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Speaker 2: and I would be I would start making a fuss

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Speaker 2: about it.

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Speaker 3: Quick commercial break.

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Speaker 1: If you like what you're hearing police shore on social media,

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Speaker 1: or send it to a friend or family member. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: it's challenging with like the snipers and stuff because like

553
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Speaker 1: you know, ice facilities are pretty fortified, right so or

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Speaker 1: you know, Charlie Kirk had security, you know, and so

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Speaker 1: it's ob Charlie.

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Speaker 2: Can I say something about that yet? And I haven't

557
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: said this before. Charlie Kirk's security failed, and so did

558
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Speaker 2: that police department. That was an utter failure that Lisa.

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Speaker 2: That guy got on the roof basically by walking through

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Speaker 2: a parking lot or a parking deck, across a walkway

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Speaker 2: and just step down onto the roof, and nobody secured

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Speaker 2: that he didn't access the door. That's from what I'm

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Speaker 2: looking at based on the the route that the shooter

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Speaker 2: took to get there. Walking that we've seen there is

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Speaker 2: a walkway that goes right over to the roof and

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Speaker 2: then turns and goes down steps. All he had to

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Speaker 2: do was just step over this wire fence and he

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Speaker 2: could have been right on the roof. Charlie's security failed

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Speaker 2: and they did not have a drone up. They didn't

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Speaker 2: have anybody with binoculars looking and standing there and looking tough.

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Speaker 2: And I didn't know Charlie well, but I met him.

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Speaker 2: And it's infuriating to me because Lisa. If I had

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Speaker 2: been in charge of that security, Charlie would still be

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Speaker 2: alive because I simply would have either put somebody on

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Speaker 2: that high area that could have seen those things happening,

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Speaker 2: or I would have had a drone up. And security

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Speaker 2: has to start looking at things differently.

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Speaker 3: Again. I do this every day.

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Speaker 2: I don't rely on the police department or the security

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Speaker 2: at the venue to do my job. I do it,

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Speaker 2: and I make sure that if I can mitigate the circumstance,

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Speaker 2: I will.

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Speaker 3: But if I have to get.

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Speaker 2: My client out of there, I'm going to know why,

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Speaker 2: and I'm going to get him out of there, probably

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Speaker 2: before the venue security or the police do.

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Speaker 1: And then before we go, you know, labeling Antifa terrorist organization?

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Speaker 1: Is that the path forward of you know, labeling some

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Speaker 1: of these these groups as you know, terrorist organizations and

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Speaker 1: sort of expanding that it is. Do you think that'll

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Speaker 1: make a difference?

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Speaker 2: I absolutely do because labeling them, well, this is what's

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Speaker 2: going to make the difference.

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Speaker 3: You can label a chick and a dog.

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Speaker 2: But if you don't go investigate it and you don't

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Speaker 2: start making arrest, it doesn't matter if they're clucking or barking,

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00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 2: you know, nothing's gonna happen. So you have to The

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Speaker 2: FBI has to go after these people. We should already

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Speaker 2: be hearing about massive arrests of Antifa. They have a

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Speaker 2: headquarters in Austin. We know it's there, so why aren't

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Speaker 2: that investigation is as soon as they are labeled that

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Speaker 2: they should have a full squad looking at all the

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Speaker 2: attacks that they have carried out, whether it's hitting somebody

604
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Speaker 2: with a lock or like when they chased Andy No

605
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: into a into a room and said they were going

606
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Speaker 2: to kill him. All of these people, all of these

607
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 2: groups are affiliated. They fly all over the place, they

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00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: get funded, they have gear. I've seen them in Washington,

609
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: d C. I've seen them all over the place where

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00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: they have better gear than law enforcement sometimes and uniformed

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Speaker 2: gear and their movements. I knew a guy that was

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Speaker 2: protecting I forget the guy's name, but he was in

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Speaker 2: doing a speech at Berkeley and the violence got out

614
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Speaker 2: of hand and so they were waiting to move him

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Speaker 2: and the guy who was Special Forces, he went up

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Speaker 2: on the roof to see where they could see their

617
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Speaker 2: route and he said what he watched was uniformed and

618
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Speaker 2: standardized by these Antifa people, and he had never seen

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Speaker 2: that taught in the US military. So where are they

620
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Speaker 2: getting their standards? Where are they getting their tactics? And

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Speaker 2: those are things that I think if the Bureau and

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Speaker 2: the Intelligence services start digging into, we're going to see

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Speaker 2: that there's nation states that are connected, and we're going

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Speaker 2: to see that there's big money people and politicians.

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Speaker 3: This needs to go forward.

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Speaker 2: I think ANTIFA making them a terrorist designated them to

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Speaker 2: terrorist unit. This could lead to, just like Comy, two

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Speaker 2: great big, huge cases and could really shift the way

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Speaker 2: things are going.

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Speaker 3: In this nation.

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Gilly appreciate you joining the show. Thanks for making

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Speaker 1: the time.

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Speaker 3: You got it Lisa, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: That was Jonathan Gilliam. Appreciate him for making the time

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Speaker 1: to come on the show. Appreciate you guys at home

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Speaker 1: for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, but you can listen

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Speaker 1: throughout the week. I want to thank John Cassio, my producer,

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Speaker 1: for putting the show together.

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Speaker 3: Until next time,