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Speaker 1: On October twenty second, live on pay per view at

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Speaker 1: the Etzy Hot Arena in Abu Dabby, UFC two to

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Speaker 1: eighty will take place, and gentlemen, if I do say

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Speaker 1: so myself, I think it's the card of the year.

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell, Chuck Mendenhall, the iceman himself, Luke Thomas, this

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Speaker 1: is your UFC two eighty non rooftop edition of the

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Speaker 1: pregame preview.

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Speaker 2: Chuck, how are you doing non roofeed edition? Which is uny?

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Speaker 2: Brian Campbell's here, so there's no I.

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Speaker 3: Don't know if that's true or not, but I look

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Speaker 3: like I'm wearing a Callsby sweater over here and seriously

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Speaker 3: out of the Gatehot.

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Speaker 2: How many gummies in your tummy right now? None?

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Speaker 3: But here's what I will say about this. I've got

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Speaker 3: two rules for this. Number one, real talk, real talk

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Speaker 3: like men do. And number two, Chuck, I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: turn over a new leaf. I will not interrupt you once.

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Speaker 4: Oh, come on, it won't be the same if you don't.

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Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure he already has.

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Speaker 2: Chuck. Am I wrong? UFC two eighties It the card

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Speaker 2: of the year.

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Speaker 4: Okay, let me blow your minds right, off the top.

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Speaker 4: Here to illustrate the point of how good this card is,

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Speaker 4: take pieretr Yon out of the equation, right, take him

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Speaker 4: on Sean O'Malley. Okay, so take him out of the equation.

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Speaker 4: This is just one guy off the main card. Now

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Speaker 4: you take those other nine fighters and you end the

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Speaker 4: two top prelim guys, which is Mohammed and Sean Brady. Yep,

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Speaker 4: eighty one fight unbeaten streak. That is all those fighters combined.

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Speaker 4: This is this is a Chukegian and mental piero and yes,

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Speaker 4: so factoring than them. So you just take away just

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Speaker 4: the one guy and it's an eighty one fight unbeaten

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Speaker 4: streaks seventy nine oh and one.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 4: The only guys who had like is Mohammed had the

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Speaker 4: Leon Edwards no contest and O'Malley had the last one

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Speaker 4: was a no contest. Everything else. So this is a

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Speaker 4: thundering herd of momentum going at each other. This is

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Speaker 4: unique in ways that we've never seen where all the momentums,

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Speaker 4: guys on seven fight eight fight win streaks are going

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Speaker 4: at each other. This isn't one of those things where

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Speaker 4: you're getting brand names who they kind of brush off

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Speaker 4: that type of thing. These are legit guys at the

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Speaker 4: and women at the very top of their game, and

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Speaker 4: when you think.

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Speaker 2: About that, man, it kind of blows your mind.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I've ever seen a card this

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Speaker 4: stacked from that perspective. Before the guy and even the

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Speaker 4: guy yawn, if you just take away that he's fighting

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Speaker 4: the guy on there who beat him Sterling, if you

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Speaker 4: take him out, like if you kind of like put

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Speaker 4: him back in, he has eleven fight winning streak besides

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Speaker 4: the Sterling losses.

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Speaker 1: Right, which by the way, was a close competitive exiget

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Speaker 1: some people think you want anyway.

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Speaker 4: But that kind of blew my mind because I was like,

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Speaker 4: I kept looking at these these matchups and I'm like, God,

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Speaker 4: that guy, you know, this person on lost rev that

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Speaker 4: and all of them except for dil Shaw, who's on

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Speaker 4: last fight. But if you put all those others, they're

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Speaker 4: all big winning streak. Here's how big this card is.

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Speaker 1: My wife's co worker, this is true is flying to

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Speaker 1: Abu Dhabi, not for like a week, just to go

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Speaker 1: to this fight, they got tickets, and then they're flying

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Speaker 1: back the next day. And I asked my wife, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: this is the only UFC event that that.

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Speaker 2: They're they've ever gone to.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Like, and especially when I come from where people aren't

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Speaker 1: not a lot of fight fans, exactly, I couldn't believe

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Speaker 1: when I heard that. Now, BC, here's the other side

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Speaker 3: Which which this happens once in a while. Where essentially

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Speaker 3: this feels like the hardcore fight fans special card. I mean,

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Speaker 3: there's not only six right legitimate fights on this card

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Speaker 3: you know, we're not just putting one name up there

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Speaker 3: This feels like if you're a hard core fan, which

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Speaker 2: One of those.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately I do, bitch.

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Speaker 2: I know you're that's not true. That's not fair. You

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Speaker 2: all the way been hard on your.

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Speaker 3: Stallf draank minimum during the show. Right, they get they've

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Speaker 3: got me some high noons, some some Dad Seltzer. Right,

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Speaker 3: But I will say this, you know this is you

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Speaker 3: like this. Thank you UFC matchmakers. I am so fired

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Speaker 3: up because we could do a whole pregame preview on

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Speaker 3: like four of these fights separate, like each one could

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Speaker 3: get their own episode. It's that good. Tell me I'm right.

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Speaker 4: I think you're right style wise, everything these people are about.

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Speaker 4: I mean this is like, this is hard.

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Speaker 2: This it would take.

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Speaker 1: And listen, I not only have a John Deeliver, I

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Speaker 2: And even.

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Speaker 1: If someone like me looks at this card and goes,

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Speaker 1: holy shit, this thing is amazing, you could get rid

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Speaker 2: All right, So let's start with that main event.

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Speaker 1: Now, we technically technically have no UFC Lightweight champion. I

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Speaker 3: Still the lineal champion.

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Speaker 1: Nevertheless, olivera Islam Makaichef Islam Makachev going to be obviously

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Speaker 3: Okay, but it'd have to be nasty. It'd have to

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Speaker 1: I think your promise went capoop in about five seconds.

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Speaker 3: People, it does, and people tell me I'm crazy, as

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Speaker 4: If you look at it, man, I mean, just look

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Speaker 4: You have gai Chi, Porier, Chandler, and Lee and I

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Speaker 2: I think that that's true.

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Speaker 1: And I've been trying to think about like the Habib

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Speaker 2: Just seemed inevitable, right, they were inevitable. They could not be.

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Speaker 1: Sen and uh Olavera was never that guy.

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Speaker 2: He was never inevitable.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone holds this title for too long. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: No, it's definitely way more stack than it's ever been.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the difference between them, as far as I

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Speaker 1: of it. It's just it's is thirty two, two thirty two.

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00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,040
Speaker 1: But Doers already made his yits right, made his UFC

437
00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,840
Speaker 1: debut at twenty, which means his decline is almost certainly

438
00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,200
Speaker 1: going to happen long before other.

439
00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,920
Speaker 3: Ones away not talking enough that like he should definitely

440
00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:31,720
Speaker 3: make weight this time.

441
00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,000
Speaker 2: Are you really having any concerns about that?

442
00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:35,960
Speaker 3: Well, he does have a history of it, Let's be fair,

443
00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:36,560
Speaker 3: he doesn't have.

444
00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,800
Speaker 1: One forty five and the last one you and I

445
00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,520
Speaker 1: would both agree that was I think that they mismanaged

446
00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,080
Speaker 1: the process a little.

447
00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,240
Speaker 3: Bit, miscalibration of the scale.

448
00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they should have they.

449
00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,720
Speaker 1: There should have been better contact between Camp and Commission

450
00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,120
Speaker 1: about that and also through the promotion. I just don't

451
00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:53,680
Speaker 1: think they're going to have those issues this time. I'd

452
00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,200
Speaker 1: be very always possible. I would be surprised, right, I'm

453
00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:58,399
Speaker 1: not really start dubbing.

454
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Speaker 2: I just I feel like they'll just put it on

455
00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,199
Speaker 2: one fifty five. I say fuck it.

456
00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,480
Speaker 3: Luke and I have debated this in the past. How

457
00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,400
Speaker 3: ready do you think if Islam Maachav wins this championship

458
00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,800
Speaker 3: and gets that rub from being the next Habib be

459
00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,359
Speaker 3: hecketts Habib's boy? Right, are we looking at like a

460
00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,280
Speaker 3: star not just a guy that can win and hold

461
00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,120
Speaker 3: the title. Are we looking at a future star? Because

462
00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,160
Speaker 3: Habib became an accidental pay per view brand in a way, right,

463
00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,600
Speaker 3: we didn't expect that out of him. It helped any

464
00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,639
Speaker 3: fought Connor in a crazy build.

465
00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,640
Speaker 2: But that's a tough one. I don't know.

466
00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,960
Speaker 4: There's this huge like moment in time where like a

467
00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,399
Speaker 4: lot of Eastern European and uh Dagistani and those guys

468
00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,960
Speaker 4: are all over these weight divisions and they're all kind

469
00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,240
Speaker 4: of running it. I'm not sure honestly, Like what do

470
00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:44,760
Speaker 4: you I mean, you tell me what you guys think.

471
00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,280
Speaker 4: Like I I'm not sure he has that it factor

472
00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,800
Speaker 4: in the way that translates beyond just his performance. And

473
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,199
Speaker 4: like you said, he does take his time. He is

474
00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,320
Speaker 4: a little bit more like you know, he's gonna make

475
00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,200
Speaker 4: he's more of a GSP player that way, like he's

476
00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,439
Speaker 4: going he's going to do that. I don't know if

477
00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,600
Speaker 4: he's gonna transcend in the way.

478
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:02,560
Speaker 2: That they want him.

479
00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:04,959
Speaker 1: And I think I think the fan base to an

480
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,760
Speaker 1: extent wants him to be like, oh, we lost to BEIB.

481
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,240
Speaker 2: And then they replace him, for that's impossible.

482
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,960
Speaker 1: And you can't can we give a personality and from

483
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:12,880
Speaker 1: talent you can't do.

484
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,840
Speaker 3: The cheeky funny Bib's.

485
00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:14,800
Speaker 2: Got like.

486
00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, like he's got one liners. He's intense if you

487
00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,320
Speaker 3: try to stalk him, he's intense in general. He's almost

488
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,920
Speaker 3: like him and DC at this bit that has almost

489
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,680
Speaker 3: softened him. But like coming up in the build of

490
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,119
Speaker 3: TWOL five when he felt he was screwed out of

491
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:32,800
Speaker 3: the chance to fight.

492
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:34,480
Speaker 2: Also someone as.

493
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 1: Someone who's you know, parent had English as a second language, yo,

494
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,480
Speaker 1: Like you know, that kind of broken English can sometimes

495
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,480
Speaker 1: be fucking hilario, but it.

496
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,639
Speaker 3: Could also be as intense as ship as he was

497
00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,160
Speaker 3: on the you know, the the send Me location era,

498
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 3: that whole build to that. I don't know if Islam

499
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,200
Speaker 3: has that, but.

500
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,639
Speaker 4: Talking to Dana and the and the people caged that

501
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 4: as he's beating a guy up, remember this, Yeah, that

502
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,480
Speaker 4: was that sort of stuff really translated well for him because.

503
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:00,200
Speaker 2: Nobody did stuff.

504
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 1: He was the first smash guy, which were talking about.

505
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,399
Speaker 1: That's the thing for Islam, which's kind of up against

506
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 1: and it's not really his fault, although I'm sure he does.

507
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 1: You know, its very fairly does benefit from the habib halo,

508
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,239
Speaker 1: But that hbib halo can be an anchor too.

509
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:13,919
Speaker 3: When you saw a bib fight and win, you were like,

510
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 3: Holy Hammed.

511
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 2: The first mistake would be the I think the big mistake.

512
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 2: Never said that in my life.

513
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 4: Ready, it's inevitable that everybody's going to make this association

514
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 4: to a bibe, right, But that is also the mistake.

515
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 4: If you're talking about him being a star, I don't

516
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 4: think he can do it that way, you know, I

517
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 4: don't think he's going to accidentally fall in because he

518
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,680
Speaker 4: happens to be the first smash guy or whatever you're

519
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 4: talking about. Like, I think he's going to have to

520
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,400
Speaker 4: figure out a little something more and it might come

521
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,440
Speaker 4: with like competition. If he's able to win this, that'll

522
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,439
Speaker 4: be a big step. Then it comes down to like

523
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,640
Speaker 4: subsequent fights, like how big do they seem? Like, how

524
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 4: you know, where does it go, how they play out,

525
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,919
Speaker 4: who's the opponent, that sort of thing like that'll probably

526
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,400
Speaker 4: play orle I just currently though, if I was really

527
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 4: answer your question, I don't know. I don't think so,

528
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,679
Speaker 4: especially because of what you said. I feel like there

529
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 4: are guys dog geared behind him who are going to

530
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 4: come up. Somebody is gonna beat him. I think even

531
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 4: if he gets it, so it's like I just I

532
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 4: don't think he would get to that to that level.

533
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 3: But Looke Town possible. Can sorry, you can win this

534
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 3: fight and win the title on the feet if he

535
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 3: has to not sorry, can fucking the other Guybib Junior?

536
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,239
Speaker 3: Good lord, sorry, Islam Mahachev, I've been drinking all right,

537
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 3: and win this fight on the feet. He can Islam

538
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 3: Mahachev win this fight on the field.

539
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 1: Yes, unlikely that that would be the way he did it.

540
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 1: But it's possible, sure, I don't, I don't. I just

541
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 1: don't see that as likely because for the reasons we mentioned,

542
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 1: where is Islam Makhachev going to be best able to

543
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 1: manage risk grappling, Like, he's just not going to be

544
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: able to manage risk on the feet the same way,

545
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 1: especially for a guy like h Charles Lavera. One of

546
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 1: his best distance closing entries is he likes to jump, switch, knee,

547
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 1: push someone against the fence line and then he will

548
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 1: begin to just throw, not not super wildly, but very aggressively.

549
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 3: You're saying he might have frown and get askrind no,

550
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 3: but that he would put pressure on a guy like

551
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 3: Islam who just doesn't want to fight on those terms,

552
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:01,919
Speaker 3: like doesn't want any part of it.

553
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 1: And what happens with Charles is if when people will

554
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,199
Speaker 1: try to escape, he can crack them with something or

555
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: they try to clinch, and then he is now good

556
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: in the clinch. That's the funny part about Charles, the

557
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: guy who has the most amount of submissions in UFC history.

558
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 2: Really he does go.

559
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he chases submissions, but if they told

560
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 1: him you could no longer go for submissions. I don't

561
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: know how much longer he could win, but he could

562
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: still beat very good guys. He could still beat very

563
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: good guys with justice clinch and just his stand up,

564
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 1: and that says something about why he's in the position

565
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 1: that he's in.

566
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've come up with your own

567
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 3: personal pick yet, and maybe we wait that for the

568
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 3: Friday before the fight. That's what we do in this business.

569
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 3: But for this fight. The reason, Chuck, why I love

570
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 3: this fight so much is if you told me separately

571
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 3: different scenarios in which Charles Oliver would win spectacularly in

572
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 3: almost one side fashion or Mahachev doing the same. I

573
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 3: believe both, and I'm not sure which one I believe more.

574
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 3: And I'm not even sure where the betting odds are

575
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 3: on this fight at the moment, but I feel like

576
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 3: I really really don't know who's gonna win it. Where

577
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 3: even great fights that are quasi fifty to fifty, there's

578
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 3: still something in your heart tell you, Okay, great fight,

579
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 3: but I know this guy's gonna win.

580
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 2: Is the most I don't know who's gonna win this.

581
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 3: Do you feel you're in the same bullshit?

582
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, yeah, but that's what makes right off

583
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 4: the top. We talked about it being like a fighter's fight. Yes,

584
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 4: Like it's the type of thing where fighters who look

585
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 4: at these guys are like, oh my god, it can't

586
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 4: get any better in this diehards, we're gonna love this

587
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 4: type of thing.

588
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 2: That's why.

589
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 4: I mean, it's like you can't really put a beat

590
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 4: on who has the advantage in a fight like this.

591
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 1: Our friends at Caesar's now they have it with the

592
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 1: highest disparity in most places, it's not this far apart,

593
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: but our friends at Caesars have marktchev at A as

594
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 1: the favorite a minus one ninety to Oliver plus one six.

595
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: That's a little high. There are other that's the highest

596
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 2: on the entire board.

597
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 3: That's the Highest'll break because you could envision a scenario

598
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 3: I guess to bridge the gap between my with the

599
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 3: two options I just gave you, where let's say Mahachev

600
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 3: controls one to two to three rounds and then Oliver

601
00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 3: finishes it.

602
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 4: I mean this this could go so oh that's all

603
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,199
Speaker 4: of arrow right, Like that's what he kind of do.

604
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 3: I love this fight. I love this shit, yeah, Chuck,

605
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 3: I love this shit.

606
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 2: This is your fight.

607
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, were you looking up nuts?

608
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: No?

609
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 1: I wish, I wish that would be much better than

610
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 1: doing this, all right. Nevertheless, thinking about this fight, the

611
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: one thing that I also wanted to discuss very quickly

612
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: about it was, I don't know if this is right.

613
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: Tell me if I'm onto something or not. If I'm not,

614
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: by all means, speak up. But it does feel to

615
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: me a little bit like a bookend on the existing

616
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: power structure at lightweight, like for example, Paria.

617
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 2: Excuse me, Chandler.

618
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: Could end up winning at UFC two eighty one, and

619
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: if Makachev wins, his first title defense will be Chandler.

620
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 2: Right, there's a very possible ways.

621
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 3: A lot of people counter that idea though, and say, hey,

622
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 3: don't forget that Gamrat and dar Yoush're fighting. If dur

623
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 3: USh wins, we could.

624
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: Very fair, it's all possible. But I'm putting out a possibility.

625
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 1: So it's not like the guys from remember like all

626
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: the Guitap guys. Now, this is not quite right, of course,

627
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: because Chandler wasn't in the UFC twin sixteen. Remember the

628
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: lightweight at twenty sixteen, when I had Tony and Habib

629
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: and Connor and all this stuff. I feel like that

630
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 1: chapter of Lightweight is coming to a close, and these

631
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: guys like Pari A and Chandler they're still viable talents,

632
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: but not for a whole lot longer. And then this

633
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: new era is coming in. Maybe Olivera will be able

634
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: to withstand it, maybe Makachev will be able to withstand it,

635
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: But the gam Rocks and everybody else, right, I feel

636
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: like this is the right This is the beginning of

637
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 1: the end. Second, how do I put this? This is

638
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: the beginning of the end for this last class Like.

639
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 3: Ice worldth the open Empire strikes back and the Empire's coming.

640
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 2: Empire's coming.

641
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: Okay, but then I don't know who Luke Scott Walker

642
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: is in the next one.

643
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 2: But yes, it works with this.

644
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 3: I mean he did kiss his sister, and then.

645
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 2: George, he didn't know what he was doing. I think

646
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 2: Ja Da banged anybody his hand.

647
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 3: Now, he does make a good point, Chuck, when you

648
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 3: look at this new generation that has reloaded Mahachev gam Rod,

649
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 3: I mean, sorry, Yukin's gotta still be in that and

650
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 3: Gulov is coming to just a couple Uh, He's right,

651
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 3: we are in good hands. For the future. So what

652
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 3: you're really asking, is olivera going to be the bridge

653
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 3: to that new yeah, or or is this the end

654
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 3: of that era because anymore, you know, Gatchie's going in

655
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 3: the wrong direction.

656
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: Even if Connor comes back and somehow it all comes

657
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: back to Connor, but it's most likely based on just

658
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: the way he looks and whatever else is going to

659
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: be a one seventy and who the fuck knows what

660
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: that's going to be against. I just feel like that class,

661
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: you know, the graduating class of whatever that.

662
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 4: Was, they're almost done, well, see almost. We were asking

663
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 4: about John Jones. I feel like that's the parallel John Jones.

664
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 4: When he came in, right like, it felt like there

665
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 4: was a changing of the guard, the old all the

666
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 4: old names that were basically still there. He was going

667
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 4: to get through them. But there weren't a lot of

668
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 4: guys with John Jones. The big difference is we're talking

669
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 4: about the depth of that division and that so many killers,

670
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 4: whereas John Jones was just the guy. He was going

671
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 4: to knock off those guys, and it felt like he

672
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 4: would have a long run because there was really nobody

673
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 4: could project but beat him, you know what I mean?

674
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 4: Right now, the star of the division is the division itself.

675
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 4: I think that that's going to be a new thing.

676
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 4: It's kind of like that a bantam way too. Like

677
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 4: some of these divisions are really really deep right now,

678
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 4: and anybody could be. I feel like so many of

679
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 4: them you could. It'd be like a coin flip if

680
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 4: you threw them in the cage together.

681
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 2: So I feel like that's where the lightweight division is.

682
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 4: And for a for a sport like the UFC that

683
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 4: plays forward, it's always trying to project and hype and

684
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 4: all that stuff. It's a perfect situation, right if you

685
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 4: can kind of always have guys in the wings that

686
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 4: look like they're the killer. If you can keep bringing

687
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 4: those guys up, it's gonna be It's gonna be a

688
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 4: fun couple of years.

689
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 3: Who do you think the UFC hopes wins? Who do

690
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 3: you think the fans hope both?

691
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: Questions to you, Luke, The fans seem to want Olivera.

692
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: I would imagine if you're the UFC, you probably want

693
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: Olivera as well. I mean again, because they have both

694
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: guys under contract, they don't lose either way. It's the

695
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: house wins no matter what. But I would think that

696
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: Olivera would be better because they're starting to go back

697
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: to Brazil very soon. That market's finally going to be

698
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: opening back up. And that is all I mean, that's

699
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: that's I try to tell this to people. It's like, dude,

700
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: the Brazilians contribute to m m A in both genders.

701
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: At every weight class.

702
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: It's one of the most important places, not just my history,

703
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: but MMA is present, it's still one of the most

704
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: important places.

705
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: It's a huge sport there.

706
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: And uh my, my brother in law spent about a

707
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: year in Brazil recently.

708
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 3: And we know what he was doing for that year,

709
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: just herschel Walker.

710
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

711
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 3: I don't know if they have a pipefitters union in Brazil,

712
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 3: but he was president.

713
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: Just put some plumbing down.

714
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 3: But the point I wanted to make, I mean, he he's.

715
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: A casual mm A fan, very he told me by far, okay,

716
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: soccer is number one down there. Obviously he's like number two,

717
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: like by a considerable margin as MMA.

718
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: Like that's how big it is.

719
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: I believe it, And so I think for Olivera, I think, yeah,

720
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,959
Speaker 1: you got probably, But like dude, even if Islam wins,

721
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: opening up parts of the of of of the Muslim

722
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: world even further. Obviously he'll be made massive inroads and

723
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: I'm suporting that. Certainly he's plays rushing as well. People have,

724
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, complex had entities, but I.

725
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: Think they're gonna win no matter what.

726
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: But I just feel like making there was a while

727
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: there where Brazil was not falling off because they still

728
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: had lots of fighters in the UFC, but they had

729
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: they lost all their champions, and that we came up

730
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: in an era when it was like Hanato Soebral and

731
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: the ninjahu a Showgun who uh Leoto Machida shoot the

732
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: Box and Brazilian Top Team and all that stuff, and

733
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: I think keeping that flame lit's important.

734
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 4: I remember after UFC two twenty nine was one Connor

735
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 4: McGregor Fotza and yeah, we were doing like a post

736
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 4: show like wrap up type thing and we were looking

737
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 4: at each other, like what we learned tonight is you

738
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 4: don't mess around with these guys like they you.

739
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: Don't mess around like they're not playing, you know what

740
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 2: I mean.

741
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,719
Speaker 4: I feel like in some ways that that's an untapped

742
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 4: thing that we don't really understand about guys like makat Chev,

743
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 4: for instance, Like there's a coldness to their reign that

744
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 4: and it's very like we have to see how it

745
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 4: plays out. But there is something about Habib's thing that's

746
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 4: ice cold. It was just it was just so he raised. Yeah,

747
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 4: I mean, and I feel like you may get it.

748
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 4: If we're going to draw a parallel, you may see

749
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 4: somewhat of a revisited feel of that again, you know

750
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 4: what I mean, like where he's just kind of those

751
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 4: guys just don't they have a sense of humor, but

752
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 4: it doesn't extend to once you get into some you know,

753
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 4: the right guy poking you in the right way. I mean,

754
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 4: it just gets very dark very quickly. Yeah, they don't

755
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 4: play those fucking game yes, at all.

756
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: Which is fun though.

757
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 4: And that was a little dark the two twenty ninth theater,

758
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 4: But it's fun when it's played right, like when it's

759
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 4: when it's living there, you're like, dude, like this guy's

760
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 4: poking there.

761
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: I remember we were there because Habib had had the

762
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: melee already, and then he came back to the press

763
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: room and he was like, yo, I'm sorry. I'm obviously

764
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: changing his words, but he was basically like, yeah, I'm

765
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: sorry to the commission, I'm sorry to UFC. But yeah, like,

766
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: I don't fucking play those games, and.

767
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 3: Then my father's going to kick my ass.

768
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: Yeah he was like, no, fuck you. Like I live

769
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: a life of principle and that's just what it is.

770
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: In any case, it'll be fun to see what happens there.

771
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: A very interesting main event, Okay, but the.

772
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 2: Card, as we indicated, is goddamn stacked.

773
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the co main event, Al Jamaine Sterling

774
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: defending his UFC bantamweight title against TJ.

775
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: Dilashaw.

776
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: In many ways, this is a more interesting fight than

777
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: the main event, but not in totality.

778
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: Okay, let's set this up. Tell me if I'm framing

779
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: this right.

780
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: You have Al Jamaine Sterling, who has been a guy

781
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: that a lot of people, even including me, thought highly

782
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: of as a prospect, but then I lost a little

783
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: faith along the way. But he proved me wrong in

784
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: getting it done against Yon in the rematch obviously did

785
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: things he did to San Hagen everyone else.

786
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: Goddamn impressive. He really has.

787
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: He has I think done extra extraordini well from himself,

788
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: but he has really proven that he was worth taking

789
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: seriously all along. And so for folks like me who

790
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: got off the bandwagon, shame on us a lot of us,

791
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: but he's shared mutting it.

792
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm happy to admit it.

793
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: I was wrong, but I will say he hasn't quite

794
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: captured the fan base's love. I don't think that's I

795
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: don't think that's there. On the other side, you have TJ. Dillashaw,

796
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: who one time really was capturing some of that love,

797
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: even with the issues he had with Team Alpha Male.

798
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: Then because persona non grata after the whole USADA issue

799
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: here he is comes back, has a dog fight against

800
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: Corey san Haagen is back in there.

801
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: So you have a PD user formerly anyway against a

802
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: FA a guy who's been like.

803
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: A reluctant but admitted relevant obviously figure in the bantamwey division.

804
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: How do you assess this clash between them A list fighters?

805
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: Obviously it is, it's a little weird.

806
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 4: And then you and then you factor in right that

807
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 4: Dela Shaw. I think a lot of people are like,

808
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 4: he doesn't even deserve the shot.

809
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: He beats san Haagen quiet off that he beat him, Okay.

810
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: Even beat him, though I mean also Hudo didn't beat him.

811
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: At one thirty five, No one turns out of from

812
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: one thirty five, except you saw that's true.

813
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: So but I mean I was.

814
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 4: What I'm saying is like that there are a lot

815
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 4: of different questions. Shit, he's yeah, he's.

816
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: A dil shas fought.

817
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 4: This will only be a second fight in three and

818
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,479
Speaker 4: a half years, and yet I feel like in that

819
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 4: three and a half years he has literally become one

820
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 4: of the villains of the sport, and it is a

821
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 4: very interesting time for him. I don't know what orm

822
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 4: he'll show up in, to be honest, man, I don't

823
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 4: know how.

824
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: Much you know, like when.

825
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 4: Basically Sterling's already playing the card of like he's a

826
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 4: mental midget, Like he's going to be on you know,

827
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 4: beyond something guaranteed, he's finding loopholes. He'll come in here

828
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 4: on something anticipating. I mean he might, he might, I

829
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 4: mean the bottom eyes.

830
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 2: I don't know.

831
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 4: But there's just a lot of questions with Dyla Shaw,

832
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 4: regardless if you want to look at his meriting.

833
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 3: There's weird questions about this fight in general, because as

834
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 3: much as we probably wrongfully put it on Sterling after

835
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: the DQ win over over Yan, where people were just

836
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 3: sort of like, you know, maybe giving him shit he

837
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 3: didn't deserve. Boy, did he completely flip that script when

838
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 3: he comes out and beats him in the rematch and

839
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 3: does it as you know, solid and sort of maximizing

840
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 3: his potential right in front of us. So it's like,

841
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 3: are we were we under rating and overly harsh then

842
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 3: and now are we going too far?

843
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 4: Because you don't care about In theory, it's so crazy,

844
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 4: right yeah.

845
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: I mean, and the vicious loss to Marlon Mars.

846
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, in theory, this should be the perfect old

847
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 3: name and former champion to you know, just take al

848
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 3: Joe to the next level. This is the type of

849
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 3: first title defenses you should be as a young not young,

850
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 3: but a champion who and Aljus finally come into his

851
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 3: own and put it all together. But TJ looked very

852
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 3: good in coming back from that long suspension, and now

853
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 3: he's got an injury to overcome. This is such a

854
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 3: great fight with in terms of technical skill. But I'm

855
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: not really sure who's coming in. I mean, you know,

856
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 3: the brighter, the bigger stock at the moment is probably

857
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 3: al jo because he's the champion and he's close to

858
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 3: his prime. But if TJ came in here and did

859
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 3: the thing, if he came in here and won this fight.

860
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 3: How impressed would you actually be because we just saw

861
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 3: Davison Figarreto at thirty four, which is old as hell

862
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 3: for a Flywait, turn back and come back and beat

863
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 3: the guy who just stopped him for the title. In Marino,

864
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 3: of course, we overly romanticized Randy Coutur coming back against

865
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 3: Tim Silvia and winning back to the heavyweight title. I mean,

866
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 3: is this is this like a thing or is it

867
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 3: just gonna be? Oh yeah, TJ the user ice champion again.

868
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 3: I mean it might be the greatest bantlemin of all time.

869
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 3: But because of the link hear me.

870
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,959
Speaker 4: Want a three time champion rd right, If he wins

871
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 4: this one, that'd be the third time he's won it.

872
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: I believe that's correct.

873
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 4: That's true, and it's I always think about guys like him.

874
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: Dan Hardy one time had a discussion.

875
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 4: He was talking about guys like Dilla Shaw, who he

876
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 4: considered unflushables that you try to get rid of him

877
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 4: and you can't. They always end up in the same

878
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 4: situation and then they win a title again. I could

879
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 4: sing just because that's the way MMA works, you know,

880
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 4: I could see this happening.

881
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 2: Dila Shaw is one of those guys. Man.

882
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 4: It's just, uh, I don't fully know what to expect

883
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 4: from him.

884
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 2: But if you took their trajectories.

885
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 4: And just really looked at you know, what they've done

886
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 4: against different opponents and stuff, and he said, who has

887
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 4: the advantage, I might still lean Dila Shaw. I don't

888
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 4: mean to do to Minill for skill, Yeah, skill for skill.

889
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 4: I don't mean to diminish Sterling.

890
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 2: But you're right. I think that you get off on

891
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 2: a certain foot.

892
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 4: It's just like Charles Olivera because you saw him lose

893
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 4: early to certain guys that he would beat.

894
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: Now obviously you.

895
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 4: Saw that with Sterling in big moments too, And I

896
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 4: don't know, I just I feel like this is still

897
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 4: a proving ground for him. He's still got to go

898
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 4: in there and sort of prove something. Even though he

899
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 4: did that with Yon, I still feel like he's in

900
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 4: that position like he's got to show a little more

901
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 4: and then then maybe you start to take him a

902
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 4: little more.

903
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's that's how it feels.

904
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 3: You agree that TJ, at least considering the layoffs, showed

905
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 3: championship grit and metal to figure out a way against

906
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 3: Courty Sanagan a very close figure out a way to

907
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 3: win it.

908
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: We can't overlook that in super veteran performance and us

909
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: you thought he won though I thought that, I thought

910
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: san Haagan won, but I recognized that scoring for Dela

911
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: Shawge is very fair. Yeah, and I don't know, I mean, yeah,

912
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: I know these guys who was like, wow, what really happened?

913
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: You know what really happened is TJ One. I don't

914
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: agree with the judges, but TJ One and I'm I

915
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: accepted not egregious?

916
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 2: Is it? No? I don't know, But what TJ did?

917
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a lot of things that he did,

918
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: but one of the big things he did was he

919
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: just took advantage of a lot of strategic errors that

920
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: san Haagan was making and was able to hold position

921
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: and control it. And there's a question of what value

922
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 1: there was to it. That's part of the controversy. Control

923
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: positions without damage and vice versa.

924
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 3: But it was just so.

925
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: Smart and veteran, like that's what a veteran does in

926
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: those in those moments, like I'm going to figure out

927
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,479
Speaker 1: even if it's not that exciting or flashy, I'm gonna

928
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: find a way. He truly gets you know, Faver told

929
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: me a story once years ago, This was in the aughts,

930
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 1: before Dila Shaw even tried out for The Ultimate Fighter.

931
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: He told me he's got this guy in his gym

932
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: and it was him, and he was saying that, like

933
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: even at a water break, he not only runs first

934
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: to the water fountain, he'll literally like tackle and bulldoze

935
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: anyone in his way just to make sure he's the

936
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: first guy at the water fountain. And I'm like, that's

937
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: like Brian Campbell at the gain and after that's totally different.

938
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

939
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 3: You're saying he's a snake in the grass. Is that

940
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 3: where you're want?

941
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 2: That's not what I'm saying.

942
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 4: Okay, strike me as a guy that would be a

943
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 4: bully in high school if he was a little bigger,

944
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 4: you know, if he's a big guy, he'd be driving

945
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 4: the big truck and all that.

946
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: It's weird because the fan base was really coming around

947
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: to him before that, and now obviously the loss of

948
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: Suhuda wasn't great, but they were coming around to him.

949
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 1: But I have to tell you, I think if he wins.

950
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: You know, we talk about redemption stories when people lose

951
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: or they get injured. We don't talk a lot about

952
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: redemption stories when people come back from ped suspension, because

953
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: they typically don't find themselves back in title pictures.

954
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 2: To be quite honest with you, that is a good point.

955
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 1: And at thirty five is thirty six sis, whatever he's

956
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: at at this point, this is it Like if he

957
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: doesn't score one here, I don't know when he'll ever

958
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: get back.

959
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: Let me ask this question.

960
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: Is the fan base ready to treat Mishaw like a

961
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 1: redemption story.

962
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 2: The way they would other redemption stories.

963
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 3: I don't think because he served his time. First of all,

964
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 3: there's not there's not this peacogram issue all one time.

965
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: He lost everything from thirty three to thirty five.

966
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 3: And then baseball. Who do we forgive the guys like

967
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 3: Jason Giambi or Andy Pettitt who came to the mic

968
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 3: and said, yes, I did take here's the reasons why

969
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 3: I got caught.

970
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: I was wrong.

971
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 3: Let me come back now and rebuild my name, which

972
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 3: both did we hold it against the people like Mark McGuire,

973
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 3: who for the whole time is like, no, no, no, I

974
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 3: do want to talk about it, Mark McGuire.

975
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 2: I think the fact that a little bit of the

976
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: section is the most that's who I care about.

977
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 3: People hate when I do this. When I go to

978
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 3: be fair, I'm not sure I've ever seen you all

979
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 3: Romero actually lose. But let's be fair for au second

980
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 3: about tak Okay.

981
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 2: I beat him in the first fight i've seen TJ.

982
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 3: I don't think so. Do Dominic Cruz deserve that tool decision?

983
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 3: Flip a coin, but I don't.

984
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: Think, but separate you beat him?

985
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 3: And then the Subhuto fight was weird. Okay, he's cutting

986
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 3: down and wait was ill advised in my opinion.

987
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 2: The whole thing was just dumb.

988
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 3: It was just weird. My whole point is this, Okay,

989
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 3: John Dotson, get dig get him, so you crack my theory.

990
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: But the whole point is this. He's unflappable. He's got

991
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 3: the veteran skills. He's still physically above his age. And

992
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 3: maybe that's from the time off, or maybe that's from

993
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 3: a lifetime of using I don't know, but either way,

994
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 3: he's got to pass the drug test to get into

995
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 3: that fight. If he does it, and if he wins

996
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 3: this title, I think begrudgingly people are going to come

997
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 3: around and celebrate more the fact that here's an old

998
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 3: guy coming back to regain, which at the end of

999
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 3: the day is the story we can't resist, especially if

1000
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 3: they're you know, a lot of times an American fighter

1001
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 3: that we feel like we can relate to. And you see,

1002
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 3: we love the comeback story. This is a great setup

1003
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 3: for a comeback story. And I think a lot of

1004
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 3: us because of the pedes, are because we thought san

1005
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 3: Haagan should have won, or like now, fuck TJ, no,

1006
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 3: fuck you, TJ is coming on if he wins the ship.

1007
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Domina Cruz, but the greatest fan of Weight

1008
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 3: of all time is TJ. Don't you that. I don't

1009
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 3: get Titan just eat that ship.

1010
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 4: I don't get that sense, honestly. I think if he

1011
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 4: wins it, so it come down to there's there's multiple factors,

1012
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 4: But how does he use the microphone? Like you just said,

1013
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 4: guys would admit it or whatever. They want to talk

1014
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 4: they're trying to win back fans. They might be able

1015
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 4: to do that. I just don't get that sense from him,

1016
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 4: like he that even knows how to do that. To

1017
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 4: be honest, I just don't feel like he's that guy.

1018
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: I don't think he has been to this point ready

1019
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: to be to make himself vulnerable in that way to

1020
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: the public. But I have a feeling that if he wins,

1021
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:41,479
Speaker 1: he might let all that weight off.

1022
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: I hope so, because he.

1023
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 3: Can look at Jail Chill, can any stand on Chaill's life,

1024
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 3: But he's able to just rub it up.

1025
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: Is the exception that proves the right.

1026
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 3: Any issues in his life, he just rubs it out.

1027
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 3: Any issues, just rubbed.

1028
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 2: You.

1029
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: But I was gonna say about TJ, is there is

1030
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: a way for him to win. Let's say it's a rotative,

1031
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: whatever that means. And then you know, he breaks down

1032
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: in tears of the post fight presser and he says,

1033
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: you know, I took a short cut and it cost

1034
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: me and I never thought I was back there, but

1035
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: I but I earned this one. I earned this one

1036
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,479
Speaker 1: the right way. I earned this one the hard way,

1037
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: And this one means the most. Do I think the

1038
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: fan base would embrace that.

1039
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: I fucking absolutely think the fan base to do that.

1040
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 4: Okay, if he doesn't do it, I don't know that

1041
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 4: I would be surprised If he does this.

1042
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 2: He strikes me as Pete Rose stubborn.

1043
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 3: He is, He's calculated.

1044
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: The MGM are the mandala a sports.

1045
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: That's TJ. Dillasha in about fifty years, all.

1046
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 3: Right, but if TJ is savvy enough, a fake face

1047
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 3: turns would be the best move if he wins No, seriously,

1048
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 3: like the same bit, okay, But if TJ winz will

1049
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 3: just stay on this card for a second, who does

1050
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 3: he call out on the mic? And who do you

1051
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 3: think would be?

1052
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 2: That's a good point.

1053
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 4: Well, that's a I think it's gonna be the winner

1054
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 4: of That's what I was going to see. I was

1055
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 4: going to say that I believe that that's obviously part

1056
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 4: of the strat of this placement on this card, other

1057
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 4: than stacking it for all the money they're getting an

1058
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 4: Abu dhabh, but especially if it's O'Malley, right, Like I

1059
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 4: think O'Malley is the guy that they're trying to expedite.

1060
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 4: They would like to see him there. If he's able

1061
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 4: to win that fight, that's.

1062
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: Probably I want to talk about that in a second,

1063
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: because we haven't even talked about Sterling yet.

1064
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 2: Here's the other side of the equation. Sterling.

1065
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: I mean, we talked a little bit about him, but like,

1066
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: is this ah okay? He's been the fan base was

1067
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: reluctant to accept him, and then he gets that one

1068
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: over Yon, and a lot of people still think it's controversial,

1069
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: but I don't. I think he was better that night,

1070
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: I really do.

1071
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 3: There's controversy from believe it or not.

1072
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a little bit, a little bit that he

1073
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 1: didn't do enough to beat Yon. He just held control positions.

1074
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: But I will say that just beating Y on the

1075
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: way anyway is extremely difficult to do. And he surprised me,

1076
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: like he showed real He knew when to hit the gas,

1077
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: when to hit the brakes, what phased the fight should be,

1078
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 1: in the whole nine yards. It was a smart performance.

1079
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: Man. He was good, okay, and he's but.

1080
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 1: He's had a bit of a you know, an odd

1081
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: relationship with the fan base.

1082
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: How about this, chuckmanten Hall.

1083
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: What if he goes in there and beats the breaks

1084
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: off of TJ, and then in his world he could

1085
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: present it as I got rid of this scourge on

1086
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: the division. I got rid of this guy. Plus he's

1087
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: a guy he's got just name. Would this be the

1088
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: thing not that we all we now know Sterling is legit.

1089
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: We we know there for a while, but now we

1090
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 1: really know it. But is this the thing that gets

1091
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: him endeared to the fan base such as that matters,

1092
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: I would say, yes, it can.

1093
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,959
Speaker 4: I think for whatever reason, Like I was mentioned before,

1094
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 4: I feel like this would be a translatable moment for

1095
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 4: him because I think that the yon. There's always this

1096
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 4: question too, like when when TJ beat like Dila or

1097
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,720
Speaker 4: when Dela Shaw beat Barrow, it just got his number,

1098
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 4: Like some people start to feel like there's guys who

1099
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 4: have certain number. You could say that it may bee

1100
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 4: about jan even though that would be kind of ridiculous,

1101
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 4: I think, but for him to do this again against Dilashaw, who,

1102
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 4: like you you're mentioning, could be among the top guys

1103
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 4: in that division ever, or if not the guy I

1104
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 4: think so, I think that this could be that moment,

1105
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

1106
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: Also, I gotta say beating sand Haagen, beating John, beating Dillashaw,

1107
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: we're talking about wind streaks obviously goes back further than that,

1108
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: but just those three fucking a that would be.

1109
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: You know, you know what the trend is though, real quick.

1110
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 4: The trend is the long Goo fighters, right like they

1111
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:19,720
Speaker 4: overthrow some massive beast with Sarah and GSP with Wideman

1112
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 4: and then Silva and now you have him beating you on.

1113
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 4: They don't particularly perform well in this moment.

1114
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: Wow, what do you think that is? I don't know.

1115
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like, sometimes you look at those trends

1116
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 4: and they follow they follow suit.

1117
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 2: So they're the giant slayer.

1118
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 4: But yeah, somehow, like somehow they have they zone in

1119
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 4: on the guy who's the one that you have to topple,

1120
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 4: but the next guy coming up, the guy behind him

1121
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 4: or whatever's where they struggle, you know what I mean.

1122
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 4: But we'll see if that plays out. I'm just saying

1123
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 4: that has been the trend.

1124
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, al Joe would get incredible respect.

1125
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 2: Is he favorite?

1126
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 3: I think he should be the betting favorite.

1127
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: I believe so.

1128
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 3: Well. While you're asking that, the correct answer that you

1129
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 3: guys should have said is what TJ should do if

1130
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 3: he wins is then call out Henry's who and say

1131
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 3: we've got to finish the business you want to come

1132
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 3: back in, because isn't that a better Seriously, Luke, isn't

1133
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 3: that a better fight for older TJ to run back to?

1134
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 3: Huto has been out for a while? Try to avenge that.

1135
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 2: Sterling is a minus one seventy favorite del plus. I

1136
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 2: think that's about right Yeah, that's about right.

1137
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:17,479
Speaker 3: That's a better move for TJ.

1138
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: But this is more that. By the way, I could

1139
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: see that call out.

1140
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 3: I really either way, whoever wins is gonna have to

1141
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 3: fight some some killers.

1142
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: Always sounds like I'm back on Hanerson Hudo. I am

1143
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: actually glad he's back. I really like him.

1144
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 2: But everyone's like, yo, when who gonna.

1145
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 4: Fights Anthony Smith? Things like he's you know, he has.

1146
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 2: No no, no, dude, I really liked him.

1147
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 3: I'm very good fighters. He likes. He hates a lot.

1148
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: But they're like, and you don't, motherfuckers, I love them.

1149
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 2: Don't don't sit up here.

1150
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,919
Speaker 1: And be some kind of fucking fraud. I know you

1151
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: fire women, Stu. I love a lot of fighters, some

1152
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: more than other.

1153
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1154
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

1155
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: What I was gonna say was I forgot what the

1156
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: we were talking about. But uh, for a guy like well, yeah,

1157
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 1: So here's the thing with Shudo, It's like, dude, I'm

1158
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: very happy he's back.

1159
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: I'm very happy he's back.

1160
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: But everyone's like wondering when he's gonna fight John Jones

1161
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: and shit, like, when's you gonna fight Ronda Rousey?

1162
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: Can we talk about Henry in realistic matchmaking?

1163
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: He needs to fight a number one contender before he

1164
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: fights anybody for a title. And I know he was

1165
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: the champion, but his last one was Dominic Ruz. Come on,

1166
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: let's be serious here for a second. Like he's got

1167
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: to fight someone else.

1168
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 3: They're gonna him fight Morob, is what you're saying.

1169
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: Maybe I'd be a great fight. That'd be a great fight.

1170
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: Something like that would be fine anyhow, And all I

1171
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: do is win one. In my mind, I just went on,

1172
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: just win one.

1173
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 2: That's it. After that, off to the races. You can

1174
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: go have a title shot, all right?

1175
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 3: What would it for al Joe, who has finally earned

1176
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 3: our respect, rightfully so for beating Jan Cleanley and doing

1177
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 3: it the.

1178
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 2: Way hard we did hard way?

1179
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 3: If he beats still a Shaw, here are we talking

1180
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 3: about one of the top four or five pound for

1181
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 3: pump fighters in the world.

1182
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: Woh boy, that's a great question because it's it's you

1183
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: have Vulcan volt Ousmann.

1184
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 2: Is he? Yeah?

1185
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 3: I took John off my list of inactivity, But you

1186
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 3: know then you've got sort of a second tier beyond that.

1187
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 3: Those are the guys that are in contention right now

1188
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 3: for the best.

1189
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,479
Speaker 4: I don't know if this you include like Valentina, And.

1190
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what if he goes in there, If

1191
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: he goes.

1192
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 2: In there and handles TJ, you might have to.

1193
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: If he goes in there and like, you know, carefully

1194
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: beats him, maybe maybe not. I think it would depend

1195
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: on the The level of dominance over your contemporaries is

1196
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: part of that measurement, right, I mean it's informal, but

1197
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: it's still.

1198
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 2: Part of it.

1199
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 3: TJ is still pumped upon emeritus to a certain degree

1200
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 3: despite the drug test. Right, he's sort of like not

1201
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 3: there anymore, but when he comes back, you give him

1202
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 3: that respect.

1203
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: Also, the time off which one of you mentioned, it

1204
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: was weird. On the one hand, he lost two years

1205
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: of his career prime earning years too, by the way,

1206
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: but he had a I think both shoulders operated on.

1207
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 2: I think he had a knee operated on.

1208
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: Like he did get a chance to finally get healthy,

1209
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: and then he got fucked up again in the san

1210
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: Jigan fight San Hagan remember one on that knee bar

1211
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: and fucked his whole shit up on it was a heelhook. Yeah,

1212
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: then I think he popped his knee on and so

1213
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 1: you know, I think he had to forget that fixed.

1214
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: But this is it for TJ. Dill show.

1215
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: This is it, Like, if you don't make it here,

1216
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: forget it, Like he'll never be back. Almost almost in

1217
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: this division.

1218
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 4: Shit especially come on, sorry, you're going to say no, no,

1219
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 4: I was going to say, especially in this division because

1220
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 4: you have legit like four or five guys who are

1221
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 4: just waiting there.

1222
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. I agree with you. I

1223
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: think that he would probably fall off at his age

1224
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 2: and all the things you mentioned.

1225
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 4: I him wasn't even considering honestly, like some of the

1226
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 4: injuries and stuff like that.

1227
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 2: He's a dog.

1228
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 4: He's one of those guys who's like you were mentioned

1229
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 4: in the waterline and all that stuff. He's he's that competitor.

1230
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 4: I think he's that guy. Yeah, and uh, he will want.

1231
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: To do it.

1232
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 4: I just feel like that this is his his big moment.

1233
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 4: That way, if he doesn't win it, he's going to

1234
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 4: be behind a lot of guys.

1235
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, that is true.

1236
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: All right, And the interest of time, let's talk about

1237
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: something else on this card. Stay with the bantamweight division, right,

1238
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: and now we get to the absolute absurdity of it all.

1239
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 2: The guy who was previously just the.

1240
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: Champion, who did lose to Sterling, but has been otherwise

1241
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:04,240
Speaker 1: pretty dominant as the number one contender. Now just decided,

1242
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: you know what, fuck it, let me just fight the

1243
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: number two three oh thirteen contender, Sean O'Malley, who has

1244
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: had two brushes with Elite Vans and waits Chieto Vera

1245
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: and Pedro Muno's, both of which ended weirdly slash kind

1246
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 1: of poorly.

1247
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chuck, why the fuck is this fight happening?

1248
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 4: I think because O'Malley got a better contract than now.

1249
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 2: He's a war except the bigger fights. You know, both

1250
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 2: guys have to accept it. True.

1251
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 4: So you're saying from Yon's perspective, I think that there's

1252
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 4: a lot of juice to be stolen there, you know

1253
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 4: what I mean? Like, you get this guy who's getting

1254
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 4: all the rub, and the UFC has really been behind O'Malley.

1255
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 4: I mean, they've done stuff for Omalley that they haven't

1256
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 4: done for many many guys in his same situation.

1257
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 2: I think it's more like that.

1258
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 4: You're like, if I can't get and especially because the

1259
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 4: way the matchmaking had gone in that division, there wasn't

1260
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 4: a natural spot for him.

1261
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 2: What do you do?

1262
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 4: What's your next best option? Would be to take a

1263
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 4: guy like that who's getting all the shine.

1264
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 3: He wants to win, that'll get Yon wants the win,

1265
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 3: that'll get him the quickest back to a title shot.

1266
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 3: Why not fight the guy who's the UFC's boy, who

1267
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 3: they're just waiting to put in there, and if he

1268
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 3: wins this, they will probably will put him in there.

1269
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 3: Who I'm sure the guy's in the top five. Look

1270
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 3: at o'melly and go, oh no, he's not.

1271
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 2: He's not it.

1272
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 3: You know too much type of course. If you're Yon,

1273
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 3: you're a badst. This actually makes too much sense. I'll

1274
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 3: fight that guy. Now we've only seen himgainst the leits

1275
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 3: against Vera and it looked weird and the moon those

1276
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 3: thing was weird. I think it's actually really smart by Yan.

1277
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not sure what other good option he had.

1278
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: He fought Sterling twice.

1279
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 2: So that's out.

1280
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: Obviously's got other business. He hasn't fought Dillashaw, but dila

1281
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: Shaw is occupied, so Hudo's gone. He already beat sand Hagen,

1282
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: so you can't do that. So you begin to look

1283
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: at the Rob fontfight wouldn't make sense, for example, So

1284
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: you're just looking at who's left and you're like, well,

1285
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: it's not a lot of great other obvious choices to

1286
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 1: this point, you could have said Aldo, he already beat.

1287
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 3: Rob, but you're still in line. If you beat Morob,

1288
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 3: if you beat Omeley, you go to the headline.

1289
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if the time he would have worked

1290
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: with Morob taking on Aldo into Lake City and then

1291
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: then this maybe he could have worked, but they wasn't

1292
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: in the plan, so that like you're like, okay, you

1293
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: can fight a guy who's not ranked in the top ten,

1294
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: who is arguably the most popular dude in this division.

1295
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 2: Are you down? He must have been like, fuck yeah,

1296
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 2: hut down.

1297
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 3: Would you say that any name on this cardin O'Malley

1298
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 3: has the biggest opportunity to steal the.

1299
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 4: Night and one I was going to say the same thing.

1300
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 4: I mean, it's one percent. It's a slam dunk. If

1301
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 4: he goes in there and does he steals the night.

1302
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 4: I guarantee it. If he goes in there and beats

1303
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 4: you on that will be the big story unless there's

1304
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 4: like a fight of the year type thing.

1305
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 2: In one of those last couple of fights.

1306
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: Chuck, what do you make of the fact that the

1307
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: fight against Cheeto Vera with the leg kick.

1308
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: Controversy ended the way.

1309
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 1: It did, and then he fought Munyo's and Munos had

1310
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: the ipoke, but Muno's had definitely, I'm not gonna say

1311
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 1: shut him down, but had very much limited his offense

1312
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: the offense of Sean O'Malley before it got called he

1313
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: had two brushes with the elite and you didn't really

1314
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: get a great answer either way, did you No?

1315
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 4: And I felt like that last fight especially was very anticlimactic,

1316
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 4: like it was one of those things that you're it

1317
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 4: felt like he was getting a big spot to showcase.

1318
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 4: And I know that's a crazy word to use for

1319
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 4: like a guy of the elite level you're mentioning, but

1320
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 4: I felt like it was set up for him to

1321
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 4: basically show he's ready for the top guys, and we

1322
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 4: didn't see it. So the fascination of it is, did

1323
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 4: he bite off more than.

1324
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: He can chew here?

1325
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 4: I feel like these types of fights sometimes carry a

1326
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 4: fascination factor because you didn't pair them. I didn't see

1327
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 4: him getting this type of bump up in competition coming

1328
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 4: off of that fight. The fact that he did it

1329
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 4: just adds this level of lunacy, like you alluded to

1330
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 4: as we were starting the segment, like, it adds this dimension,

1331
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 4: that's the bang for your buck for this pay per view,

1332
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 4: where you're like, I have to see what happens here.

1333
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 4: I have to see what happens in this fight. Like

1334
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,240
Speaker 4: to me, that's the way it shakes out. Is Seana

1335
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 4: Malley elite?

1336
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 3: He is? I think we've seen while the argument is that, well,

1337
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 3: we haven't seen enough against elite competition to know if

1338
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 3: he actually would deserve the title opportunity next. I believe

1339
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 3: in that, but I also believe membership has his privileges

1340
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 3: in a club where you look like people, I mean

1341
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 3: he looked. Is he legitimately the conversation of who's the

1342
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 3: next breakout star on the sport? Yes, so that allows

1343
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 3: you to jump ahead. But I think as much as

1344
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,959
Speaker 3: we can use the lack of evidence of seeing Sean

1345
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 3: O'Malley consistently beat elites as a will hold your role,

1346
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 3: he may not be that good enough. He also might

1347
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 3: be better than we think, true, meaning sometimes you just

1348
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 3: have a weird style fight and weird things go down.

1349
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 3: Is that the case in the Vera loss, which he

1350
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 3: had a questionable reaction to? That for sure, is that

1351
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 3: the case in the weird Munnos fight where a guy

1352
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 3: limited his offense but wasn't having a big offensive night

1353
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 3: on his own. I think there's just as much a

1354
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 3: setup to where we can be sleeping on O'Malley. And

1355
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 3: as great as you look, Gianna is the toughest non

1356
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 3: title fight you can arguably make in this entire sport.

1357
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 3: I mean, Pyotr Rijana is the shit. He's absolutely just

1358
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 3: a gangster and really solid across the board, which made

1359
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 3: that dq Los surprising, just as surprising as it was

1360
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 3: to see al jack him over the top. But I

1361
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 3: don't want people to sleep on as much as you're

1362
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 3: right saying, I'm not really sure if O'Malley's that guy.

1363
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 3: He may overly impress you by just coming out because

1364
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 3: of the at and look what, it's hard to gauge

1365
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 3: a guy when he's beating competition that he should and

1366
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 3: that's who he's been fighting for.

1367
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 2: What gets you all the most part is to beat

1368
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 2: the guy that you shouldn't be able to beat, you know.

1369
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,439
Speaker 4: I feel like that's where he's at, Like he's there's

1370
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,439
Speaker 4: something already about it, like in the lead up where

1371
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 4: he's just kind of dismissing Yon like he's you know.

1372
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 1: What I mean, Like his coach told Submission Radio Tim Wallach,

1373
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: she was a good coach, but he told them, you know,

1374
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: and he was careful about like it could go this way,

1375
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 1: it could go this way. So he's introducing possibilities. But

1376
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: one of the possibilities he introduced is like not remote,

1377
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: was that Sean could go in there and to his point,

1378
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: make him look stupid. And I was like, fairly remote

1379
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: to me, that.

1380
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 4: Would be beat star making moment if he does this,

1381
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 4: who goes in there? And this would be Garbrandt and

1382
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 4: Cruise or something like who goes in there and dummies?

1383
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:47,959
Speaker 2: Yon?

1384
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 3: I do agree. The counter to what I just said

1385
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 3: should be show me evidence of somebody having done that

1386
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 3: to Yan despite having just seen him lost out. You're right,

1387
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 3: I mean maybe Mago met Manga metof is the only one.

1388
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 2: Who did that was long time and by the way,

1389
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 2: Yan got hise for that.

1390
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 3: So yeah, but so look, I mean, as much as

1391
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,720
Speaker 3: I'm saying, look, don't sleep on O'Malley against your better instinct,

1392
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 3: because he could just leap through our screen, what is

1393
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 3: the real freaking path the victim here? Because there's no

1394
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 3: hole in Yon's game unless you can get him to

1395
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 3: dq you.

1396
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 1: So there is one thing he's up against that someone

1397
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: was asking me about.

1398
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 2: Someone asked me the other day. They're like, could it happened?

1399
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: Where like Sean O'Malley, Aldo's Yan Like, you know, Yon

1400
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: comes out crazy and then Sean just hits him with

1401
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: the one hitter quitter, and it's like, well, Emma is crazy,

1402
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: but unlikely and the reason why that's unlikely at least

1403
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: in the first round, which would make it the Connor

1404
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: Aldo situation.

1405
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 2: But the point I wanted to make was Aldo excuse me.

1406
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 1: Yan has been fighting a lot of five round fights

1407
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: and has been typically used to punting on the first round.

1408
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 2: He may not throw a punch until the first two

1409
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 2: minutes out.

1410
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: He goes up there and all he does is, look, well, folks,

1411
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,240
Speaker 1: this is a three round fight. You can't be punting

1412
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: rounds that much. You kind of have to get to work.

1413
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: You are losing ten minutes off the clock in order

1414
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: to fight. You can't just seede around to Sean O'Malley.

1415
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: I wonder how that hurry up offense relative to how

1416
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: he normally does it could cause him to make mistakes

1417
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: against a guy like a guy like Sean O'Malley, who

1418
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: is sharpshooter, plays with distance well tricky.

1419
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 2: You know, it's hard for me to believe that Yan

1420
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 2: is just going to get hit clean over.

1421
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 3: So we're destined for a three round fight that doesn't

1422
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 3: one guy wins, and it doesn't really give us answers.

1423
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 3: Are you saying we're destined for that?

1424
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: I think either Sean is just going to have his number,

1425
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: or I think Jan is going to weather something of

1426
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: a slight early storm to overall break him down.

1427
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 3: And be Yan does fight nasty, right, He fights with

1428
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 3: his ship on his shoulder.

1429
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 2: He doesn't fight like a dumb ass though, No.

1430
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 3: He doesn't. So do you look at him trying to

1431
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 3: repeat what Cheeto didn't say? Okay, I see the weakness

1432
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 3: and this kid. You know he's a bit when he

1433
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 3: when he fights herd, he doesn't fight whatever, whatever you

1434
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 3: want to frame it. Do you think he goes after

1435
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 3: the legs of O'Malley.

1436
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: I think he goes after the light kicks for sure.

1437
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: But I also think he's going to make him wrestle.

1438
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: I think he's going to make him tired. I think

1439
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: he's gonna make him wrestle and even if you can't

1440
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: hold him down, just to get the blood humping in there,

1441
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: or like you know, who was it Alser over him

1442
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: beating better Harry the other day he was like, you know,

1443
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: when batters at his very best, it's very difficult. But

1444
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: if you can get him to slow down just a

1445
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: little bit, all that little bit is all you need

1446
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: and the whole thing changes. I think if you can

1447
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: get Sean Omalley doing Shawann's doing this ship and he's

1448
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: sticking and going, he's hard to hurt, he's hard to touch,

1449
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: and he can fucking floor you. But you can bring

1450
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,439
Speaker 1: that down just a little bit and he becomes much

1451
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: more any fighter would.

1452
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 4: But he haven't been doing I guess what was his name, Mautino?

1453
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 4: What the out those Well, he's doing a lot between Mautine.

1454
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm trying to say.

1455
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 4: Though we see it, Frans, we see him doing that

1456
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 4: against guys like that, I just haven't really seen him

1457
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 4: in that comfort zone against the elites yet either. So

1458
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 4: it's kind of you know that, That's what I'm saying.

1459
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 4: It could be an eye opening moment if he's able

1460
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 4: to do that, So.

1461
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: We should get praise to Yan for one thing, Like,

1462
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: you know, yes, O'Malley's taking on a very difficult challenge

1463
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: and uh, that's great, but most guys ranked number one

1464
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: are even Okay, I realized that he's not doing this

1465
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: service so much to O'Malley because of O'Malley's popularity. But dude,

1466
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: he is risking a lot taking on a thirteenth ranked

1467
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: guy who is, to this point.

1468
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of unproven.

1469
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he's done some great things, but against elite,

1470
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: I'll give you that.

1471
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 2: So for Yan to do that, Yan is risk I

1472
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 2: know he has a lot to gain.

1473
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,919
Speaker 3: Well wants the reward. So can we talk about that, Chuck. Yeah,

1474
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 3: if Pyodryan does beat O'Malley and he doesn't have to

1475
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 3: sun him, Let's say it's a close ish three round

1476
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 3: fight and it's a disputed decision but he wins. Does

1477
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 3: he need then in the main event, I'm sorry, in

1478
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 3: the Coleman event, a certain result happened to get in

1479
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 3: line for the Teleshow does he need Della Show to win?

1480
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 2: I think so.

1481
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 4: I think Dela Show would have to win in that scenario.

1482
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 3: Really, because in one way, you can say, go beat

1483
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 3: him twice, but he can.

1484
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 4: Just don't think that UFC wants that fight again. To

1485
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 4: be honest, I don't think that they would want it

1486
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 4: again this soon.

1487
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 2: I agree with that. Yeah, it was.

1488
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 4: It just wasn't like it didn't move the needle really.

1489
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 4: I mean, even though it was a it was a

1490
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 4: fun fight to imagine in our mind, I mean, it

1491
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 4: just didn't seem to move the needle.

1492
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 2: I just don't think they'd want somebody those You know.

1493
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 3: What they love to do when somebody becomes a new champion,

1494
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 3: especially when that person is young and you can build

1495
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 3: upon them, You want to then sub in a proven name,

1496
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 3: which is why you said, Hey, if if Mahachev wins

1497
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 3: in the main event, could be Chandler next, it could

1498
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 3: be if he waits R I wonder though, if if

1499
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 3: if Sterling wins then and if Yan also wins, then

1500
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 3: what are we doing next to them?

1501
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 2: That fuck? I don't know.

1502
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 3: I guess Sterling's teammate is Morob DeVos WILLI and as

1503
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 3: much as I think they would potentially be willing to

1504
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 3: put the decide so soon would they be willing to

1505
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 3: put aside?

1506
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: Have to get more clarity from sand Haagen and Cheeto Vera.

1507
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: But even then, if Sanhagen wins, that would still be

1508
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: a rematch that you could sell that a little.

1509
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 3: Bit cheto get get bumped up, because because the other

1510
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 3: guys that fought each other, it's possible al Jo would

1511
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 3: be badass just as much as Peotiyan versus TJ. Dill

1512
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 3: Show would be better.

1513
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: Okay, on the on the other side, though, one pyramid

1514
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: of permutation we haven't gotten is Yon versus Dila Shaw

1515
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: at any point, and if Yon wins and.

1516
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 2: Dila Shaw wins, that'd be huge.

1517
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: Also, if O'Malley wins, he overturns the apple cart completely,

1518
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: and then I think, I think here's the thing. If

1519
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: he wins, he's getting a title shot next right, If

1520
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: you gas a guarantee he's.

1521
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 3: A number one contender, it'd be promotional malpractice.

1522
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: So then so then guys like Sanhagen and Chito would

1523
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: be like, what the fuck?

1524
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 2: But they would even though Chito has the win over

1525
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 2: him he could get he would get left behind, wouldn't

1526
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 2: deserve it.

1527
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 3: But promotion wise, that's why you're putting him in this

1528
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 3: fight now to set up that next one. That's what

1529
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 3: you're doing it's what you do. So let's let's follow.

1530
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 2: You can make the argument the beating Yon is automatic

1531
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 2: to get it.

1532
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 3: And you know, just like I asked you, Look, how

1533
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 3: big could islam as a star actually be if he

1534
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 3: gets the b brub which he's in position to get

1535
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 3: if he wins. How big is O'Malley because like, I mean, look,

1536
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 3: nobody's Connor, nobody's Brock, nobody's RNDA. But how big of

1537
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 3: a star could Shaun o'melley think? Actually?

1538
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 2: I think big? Yeah?

1539
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: Could he sell five to seven hundred and fifty k

1540
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: on pay per view? Like if he can keep a

1541
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: hot streak going?

1542
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 2: I think he could?

1543
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 3: Okay, But which audience has he grabbed? The the crossover

1544
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 3: Casual twenty four thirty six, seriously, like, who is he is? He?

1545
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 2: Is? He there?

1546
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: He pulls in, He's he reminds me a little bit

1547
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: of Dravante Davis guy. He's got a little bit of

1548
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: that going where he hasn't quite fought the very very best,

1549
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: but he's got a crazy exciting style. He pulls in

1550
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: a younger demo.

1551
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 2: I feel like.

1552
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 3: Weird tattoos that week, tattoos.

1553
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: Weird colors, weird way of dressing. It's a it's you know,

1554
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: it's like the little Zane little YACHTI scenario. I don't

1555
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: know that generation at all. I'm an old, washed piece

1556
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: of shit. But they exist. There's a lot of them,

1557
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: and he has them on lock.

1558
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 3: Is he the Takashi six nine of MMA?

1559
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 2: Oh man, they're boys?

1560
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: I guess the really yeah, except Takashi can't wrap for

1561
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 1: shit and Shawn.

1562
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 2: Can actually fight a little bit.

1563
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 3: Do you think Bryce Mitchell is a better rapper than Takashi?

1564
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 2: No, I think you're a better rapper than Takashi.

1565
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 3: Now, well it was a former former factory shipping and

1566
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 3: Receiving's got to shout at that. We haven't done enough

1567
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 3: Daddy Jenki Reggaeton in the show.

1568
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 4: But the truth is he's very good. Is a very

1569
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 4: good what would you say, like a big picture media person,

1570
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 4: Like he's he's very good self promoter. And he the

1571
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 4: pressure he takes off of his fights, you know, the

1572
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 4: pressure he takes away from Like it's that's that it factor,

1573
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 4: like he just doesn't seem like he's the pressure is

1574
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 4: on him ever, you know what I mean, Like he's.

1575
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 3: Got the concept your son is middle.

1576
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 2: School years uh, seventh grade.

1577
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,919
Speaker 3: Now, would this be the type of guy that John

1578
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 3: On Malley that your son separate, separate from my dad

1579
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 3: covers mm A as as somebody who came into his

1580
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 3: life through YouTube or someone like this.

1581
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 4: He has definitely seen a lot more of his content

1582
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 4: than most of the other guys.

1583
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he.

1584
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 4: Knows exactly who is like, he sees a lot of

1585
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 4: o Malley content. So yes, he's uh, he's obviously tapping

1586
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 4: into the younger demographic, no doubt about it.

1587
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 3: All right, just taking your kids, he's taking everything everything.

1588
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: Hmm, all right, that's a little strange. But he's not

1589
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 1: the pied piper. See he's not.

1590
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 2: All right. So let's talk about what's left on this

1591
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 2: card very quickly.

1592
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: You mentioned it earlier, Benil Daryush Matteo Shamrock Gamrock getting

1593
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 1: a disputed but tough, hard fault over Harmins.

1594
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 2: Are you Kin Darus somewhat the forgotten man in this

1595
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 2: division if.

1596
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 4: You asked me, some all forgotten man, but and ROWI

1597
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 4: still forgot very very talented Chuck.

1598
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 2: What are they fighting for?

1599
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 3: I feel like respect, Chuck, respect, Well partly that's true.

1600
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 4: Actually, Yeah, I feel like if it's a Gamrock, it

1601
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 4: it could be like, you know, kind of the quick

1602
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 4: expedition right into some kind of title talk. But I

1603
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 4: think dar is it's one of those things, right, like

1604
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 4: he's trying to make his case undeniable, you know what

1605
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 4: I mean, and he's on this card.

1606
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 2: I feel like that that's where it's at.

1607
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 4: And I don't know how you could deny him, to

1608
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 4: be honest, like, at this point, how could you deny

1609
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 4: him if.

1610
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 2: He gets because here's here's the problem.

1611
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: Daryush might win, but you ain't gonna beat Mateyo scam

1612
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: Rock easily and you're gonna have to eke out a

1613
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: victory over this fucking guy.

1614
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 2: And that's a good point. If Chandler goes in there,

1615
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 2: by the way, poor you can either one.

1616
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: If either guy goes in there and puts the other

1617
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: guy's lights out, hey, they have bigger names and I

1618
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: would have a more exciting style.

1619
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 2: That's I'm sorry, but that's gonna went out. Whether or

1620
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 2: not it should, it will, Yeah, I feel like I

1621
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 2: don't know.

1622
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 4: I feel like the gamrop thing is always like one

1623
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 4: of those when you see this kind of matchmaking, you're

1624
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 4: always like I always think like for the guy like Darius,

1625
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 4: it's like they just don't want him to have me

1626
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 4: in a.

1627
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 2: Ton of fight.

1628
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 4: They want this other guy, you know, like they put

1629
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 4: them against this guy who should you know, should or

1630
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 4: maybe will beat him, you know what I mean.

1631
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 2: Like it's one of those times so you feel like

1632
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 2: like the.

1633
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 3: Welter Way but blah Mohammed, like it almost feels like

1634
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 3: or the lightweight Bama almost like call like he's in

1635
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 3: the title picture. But people forget to use his name

1636
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:42,959
Speaker 3: a lot when.

1637
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 2: Talking about that.

1638
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: Not quite because you could have made an argument that,

1639
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 1: like a few years ago, maybe this wasn't true about Daryush,

1640
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: but it's definitely true now. Dude, he fights balls out.

1641
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 1: His fight with Jakar Close was insanity. It was complete insanity.

1642
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 1: So you can't say he's not exciting. The thing is

1643
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: he's just got a real awe shucks Sam out Helvy thing,

1644
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 1: only like unlike Samy's like real good.

1645
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be mean. Sam still catching strays,

1646
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 2: I don't you know. I'm not trying to I'm not

1647
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 2: trying to beat him up. I'm just trying to.

1648
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 3: Say he Daryusha has like legit gray hair for being

1649
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 3: a UFC title contender.

1650
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 2: Like you should be supporting.

1651
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 1: You know, he gets out there and he's like this,

1652
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: the most important thing right now, guys is that I

1653
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: love Jesus, and I'm always like mute. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1654
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 1: you know, not a lot of people even with that,

1655
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 1: not that not Actually don't even mean that I did

1656
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: that just to piss him off.

1657
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 3: Just fine believers, thank you.

1658
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 4: I actually don't.

1659
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: But I do think in all seriousness, I was joking there.

1660
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: But in all seriousness, he does have an awe shucks

1661
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 1: thing that doesn't make him It's not any way hateable,

1662
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: no Jesus, but it doesn't elevate him.

1663
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 4: He's not even getting like the diehard pining push you know,

1664
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 4: for for you know, like some guys who have been

1665
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 4: there for a while, remember John Fitch way back in

1666
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 4: the day. Guys like that, They at some point they

1667
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 4: tip over and people are like, you got it. You

1668
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 4: can't deny him him the shot that is there. But

1669
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 4: I don't feel like people are pining for him to

1670
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 4: be in the title John Fitch Path to Victory.

1671
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 2: It's long. Yeah, here's the other problem with it. Not

1672
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 2: only is it long and difficult, you only get one

1673
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 2: once you get the.

1674
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: Tile show on the John Fitch path. They ain't giving

1675
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 1: you another one. That's just how it goes, all right,

1676
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: guys were short on time. Frequently, any quick thoughts about

1677
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: Kaitlyn Chuke get taken on a non fr ro. Then

1678
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: Nofio Row another one of these French fighters is going to,

1679
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: I think, really show that that market has some depth

1680
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 1: in combat sports.

1681
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 3: They can't keep Chicky getting away from the title picture

1682
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 3: because she tends to lose when she says, SEPs up

1683
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 3: to the very highest level. But it's pretty damn consistent

1684
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 3: across the board against anyone who's b B minus in

1685
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 3: this division. And now they resigned her at a point

1686
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 3: on a wind streak where there was some question whether

1687
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:40,439
Speaker 3: they would, you know, because does she have the style

1688
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 3: exciting enough? We've already seen her against the champion and

1689
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 3: she got dominated. Do you feel like she's been brought

1690
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 3: back to kind of just be that that elite gatekeeper. Well,

1691
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 3: that's who's next line is ready, because that's one of the.

1692
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 2: Definitions of a gatekeeper at this one, because they don't

1693
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 2: really want.

1694
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 4: Her and that's just.

1695
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 2: Somebody that good. Also, here's the problem. She's rich Franklin.

1696
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 1: She's better than just about everyone else in that division,

1697
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 1: but the difference between her and Shivchenko is enormous, so

1698
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: it's like, what are you?

1699
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 2: What are you supposed to do? Although I will say

1700
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 2: Fierro has a good chance here.

1701
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 3: Okay, Firero building toward somebody that they can legitimately build

1702
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:17,599
Speaker 3: behind because the path Devlentera is so short because it's

1703
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 3: never been Yes, a deep division, that beating track an

1704
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 3: who's always seemingly ranked number one, to be fair, that

1705
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 3: might be enough. Would that be enough?

1706
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: Yes, it would be It would be I mean we

1707
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 1: we you know, there's obviously a Lexa Grasso in the mix,

1708
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 1: and we'll see what happened.

1709
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 3: You would do that fight in France, wouldn't they?

1710
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:36,719
Speaker 1: They might they the French market before we go, because

1711
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn back into a punkin here just a

1712
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:40,599
Speaker 1: few minutes. Yeah, Yeah, we've been We've been all over

1713
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 1: for an hour. Yeah, we've been going all right. Last

1714
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: thing b C and I had Sean Brady, who fights

1715
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 1: bloh Mohammed in the main event of the prelims, right

1716
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 1: here on this couch, and we all made a deal.

1717
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: I do know if you know this, and part of

1718
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 1: that deal is if he beats Balah Mohammed. We all

1719
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 1: have to get tattoos together in any Philadelphia.

1720
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

1721
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 2: The Tacola part not so hard but legitim yes? Wow.

1722
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 2: Okay with that being said, is BC gonna have to

1723
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 2: get a tattoo?

1724
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 4: Are you a blank canvas right now? You have what

1725
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 4: I am? I am?

1726
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:07,679
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm very colorful.

1727
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 2: Gonna be rooting for for Brady to win.

1728
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 1: We talk about turnover in the lightweight division, but you

1729
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 1: have rockmanov Jmis.

1730
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 2: And he can make it. Brady. People don't they This

1731
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 2: is a big one for him, big time.

1732
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 4: And I feel like he's kind of in that space

1733
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 4: too that diehards know they they're looking at him, but

1734
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 4: the most people haven't really looked at him.

1735
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 2: He's in a good spot.

1736
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 4: It's the last prelim, right like, so I feel like

1737
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 4: that's that's an awesome spot, uh for him to showcase.

1738
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 4: And I think that guy's the legit. I I'm fearful.

1739
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 4: Do you guys know what You're gonna get a test

1740
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 4: to back when we had him.

1741
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 2: In studio, was so muscular, look like a fucking hurd.

1742
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 3: Jurassic bat Sean Brady, you have Jurassic back. He was

1743
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,640
Speaker 3: also a really cool dude. But here's the deal. Is

1744
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 3: bloss takedown defense enough to make this a moot?

1745
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 2: You've never got off in his corner.

1746
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 3: That's untalked about storyline, by the way.

1747
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 1: As a topseding guy who comes out to he's got

1748
01:09:57,800 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 1: one of the best walkout songs in all of MMA.

1749
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 1: My blo this Palestinian, which is this incredible and that

1750
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 1: whole crowd is going to be on his side under

1751
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 1: that name, big time, big time. Brady is going into

1752
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 1: the mouth of the lion here, big time on this one.

1753
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,680
Speaker 3: It's like Rocky in Moscow and against Here's the thing

1754
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 3: I've been so.

1755
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:16,679
Speaker 2: Wrong about bal Mohammed.

1756
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: I really am just trying to reserve judgment because early

1757
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 1: in his career he was kind of up and down

1758
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,600
Speaker 1: ish and more up than down certainly, But you know,

1759
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 1: he had a couple of hiccups along the way where

1760
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I'm not so sure what

1761
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 1: we're going to get here. But of late, you know,

1762
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:31,560
Speaker 1: fans want to talk about, oh, he's boring this or

1763
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 1: he's boring that. Fine, you can have that argument if

1764
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 1: you're a fan. If you want pay for the fights,

1765
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 1: you want to pay for a don't But in terms

1766
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,560
Speaker 1: of the results he's getting, especially over the rematch with

1767
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:43,639
Speaker 1: Luke Dude, he looked good like he has definitely gotten

1768
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,719
Speaker 1: way way better and he is, by the way, also

1769
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 1: a fucking hulk two.

1770
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 2: That is going to be a highly interesting thing.

1771
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:53,599
Speaker 4: You say that a bunch of real wills because they

1772
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,719
Speaker 4: both like to dictate everything in the cage.

1773
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 3: Because Bola's pecks are so freaking toned. Would you see

1774
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 3: as the best hits in the UFC in the u

1775
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 3: UFC which on.

1776
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: The raypically all right, we gotta UFC eighty will be

1777
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 1: I think in the afternoon it's going to be a

1778
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 1: pay per view at the Etty Hot Arena in Abu Dhabi.

1779
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be watching from home.

1780
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going.

1781
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 4: Oh.

1782
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 3: Do you think there was enough actual real talk like

1783
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:22,759
Speaker 3: men doing the show or were we a little soft today?

1784
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 2: A little soft today? Expected a little.

1785
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 4: More for me?

1786
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 2: Edible didn't hit at all. I wasn't interrupted nearly enough.

1787
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 3: Chuck. We won a lot of awards on this show,

1788
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:36,600
Speaker 3: I know, and you're a big part of it. So Chuck, congratulations,

1789
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 3: thanks man.

1790
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:40,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I said, for this award here I least

1791
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 4: deserve like the Big Toe on that one.

1792
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 2: It dick and ball, all right, we'll take that.

1793
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 3: You didn't even drink anything, you old salty bitch.

1794
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 1: Yes, I also have a four hour commute ahead of me,

1795
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 1: so go fuck yourself. So that's Brian Campbell, that's Chuck

1796
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 1: Minon Holly Oh. If they want to get more from you,

1797
01:11:58,920 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 1: where do they go?

1798
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 4: Twitter at Chuckman and I think it's my handle and

1799
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 4: the myth dot com.

1800
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 3: You want to buy my page?

1801
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 2: Yes, you can bought off.

1802
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 3: So you gifted Luke.

1803
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 2: I was prett happy with that.

1804
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 4: Will he actually wear those before?

1805
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 2: Yes? I really like that one.

1806
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:21,719
Speaker 3: You do have like a what Italian man bag? Aside

1807
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,640
Speaker 3: when you when in pink panther pants aside, when you

1808
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 3: go for it in the specific style ling, you have

1809
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 3: a tendency to pull it off.

1810
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 2: I appreciate that, Brian, But you can still go fund yourself.

1811
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 2: All right.

1812
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 1: That's there's your UFC two eighty Morning Combat pre game

1813
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: preview preview. Yes, because what are we doing here? I

1814
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 1: get paid to do this because I'm an idiot. Pregame preview.

1815
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,639
Speaker 1: Enjoy yourselves, enjoy the fights. We'll catch you all next time.

1816
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 3: Hey Sean Brady, Hey Sean Brady, all right, you want

1817
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 3: to put the needle in my skin?

1818
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 2: There it is. It's on you, virginal canvas right here.

1819
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 3: Remember that name about I mean, this is your time.

1820
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 3: Are you coming on? Because this is permanent? Oh god,

1821
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 3: this is permanent that. Oh god, this skin's untouched. It's pasty, bro.

1822
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 3: You want to add some color on this.

1823
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 2: I want to looking at this far. That's a fire.