1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Okay, so peek behind the curtain. This is one that 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: we were incredibly excited about when we recorded the original 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: episode because while we were recording this, Matt, there were 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: a number of new discoveries that that that hit at 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: the perfect time. You know, we've all heard of Neanderthals, right, 6 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: We've all heard of those what do we call them 7 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: early mix tapes of humanity? Yeah, the versions of us 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: that evolved and evolved and involved and got better and 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: better and better until he became human. The humans, the 10 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: humans that exist in And the big question is what 11 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: were some of those iterations because we can only see 12 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: a couple of flashlight level illuminated parts of the darkness 13 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: there when it comes to the evolution of man, and 14 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: you know, you and I as well as hopefully everyone else, 15 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: just curious about those connections between those big jumps that 16 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: we see. So we we all know about Neanderthals, right, 17 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: we know about things like chro Magnan or something. But 18 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: but as we were going into this episode, all those 19 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: years ago, humanity was discovering the traces of some long 20 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: lost cousins like Homo Florenzis or the Dennis Ovans. And 21 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: in the time since we recorded this, there have also 22 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: been some new intriguing discoveries, so we may we may 23 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: end up doing a follow up to this episode, but 24 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: we want your opinion on this. Is Homo sapien folklore, 25 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: you know, the ideas of giants, gnomes and so on. 26 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: Is it in some way informed by ancient early encounters 27 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: with these other types of humans and words of the wise? 28 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: You will here been a nolan I reference information in 29 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: this episode throughout other episodes. So if you haven't listened 30 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: to this one and you've heard us mentioned Dennis Ovans 31 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: or Homo Florian's is uh, this is the one. So 32 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: listen from UFOs two Ghosts and Government cover ups. History 33 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now 34 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: or learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, 35 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt antime 36 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: Ben and today we're taking a journey, a journey through 37 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: our d n A and uh we're going back, way back, 38 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,839 Speaker 1: way back. Yet this is a deep cut. Today we 39 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: are talking about the lost races of man Nope U Matt, 40 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: you remember earlier gosh is a long time ago, we 41 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: covered them, the belief in giants, right, oh, yes, that 42 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: was one of the earliest episodes. We didn't and uh, 43 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: interesting thing that we found is that not only are 44 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: there quite a few hoaxes, especially in the days of photoshop, 45 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: and um, you know even earlier than that, in the 46 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: days of disreputable would be scientists. And if you've probably 47 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: seen these photos online, the photos of maybe it's paleontologists 48 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: down by some bones that and there happens to be 49 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: a giant human skull bone there as well. Right, that's 50 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: ridiculously out of proportion, and it will say, hey, real 51 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: photos of giants on it. Uh, we can assure you 52 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: those are photoshopped. Those for sure photoshop. But amid all 53 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: those hoaxes and amid you know, both digital and analog, 54 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: I guess we have. We have also found that there 55 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: are quite a few unexplained things about early humanity in general. 56 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: And um, if you guys will sit through some folklore 57 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: with us, we can build a pretty fascinating case here. 58 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: First off, every single culture, I don't like generalities, but generalizations, 59 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: but it's true, every single culture has legends of some 60 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: sort of human like entities. Right, Yeah, you've got some 61 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: that have the human like intelligence. Um, you think of 62 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 1: the fairies or maybe the gnomes, even giants, their legends 63 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: of these throughout many cultures, almost all cultures, and giants 64 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: are some of the original bad guys and a lot 65 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: of the epic tales of earlier empires, you know we have. 66 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: Of course, for most people in monotheistic faiths, Goliath would 67 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: be uh number one giant. The idea of the nephelin 68 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: being giants was also present in early Old Testament stuff, 69 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: some of which made it into the thechanical canonical version 70 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: of the Bible, and other stuff that's more on the 71 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: beastie sides. Uh. And then we know that there are 72 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: other myths and legends about creatures that are a blend 73 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: of animal and man. And this stuff is huge, and 74 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: of course it depends upon the types of animals present 75 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 1: in that culture's environment. Right. Yes, you wouldn't have a 76 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: giraffe uh in Native American culture, right if you just 77 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't see it because it wasn't there. But you would 78 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: have um stuff like a sader in uh in Mediterranean 79 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: culture where goats are common, menaturs centaurs. But then also uh, 80 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: let's not forget things that can change into animals, like 81 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: the werewolf myths oh yeah, skin walkers and all the 82 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: There are a lot of myths, especially Native American myths 83 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: about that kind of stuff, and we have a whole 84 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: podcast about that too, yes we do. Um and others. 85 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: Sometimes you've got kind of an angelic or a demonic 86 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: version of a human that isn't really human. So cool. Um, yeah, 87 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: it's certainly cool. And these are you know, vampires, jin 88 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: the undead, that kind of stuff. Yeah, And most of 89 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: these legends are culturally specific. So what we mean by 90 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: that is that most of these legends have a very 91 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: specific type of elf belief or type of fay belief, 92 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: or very specific race of giants or animal near human people. 93 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: But there are some commonalities here in These commonalities are startling. First, 94 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: pretty much every culture has some idea of little people, 95 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: whether these are little physical people or little spirits, you know, 96 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: a spirit of your home or something. Um, maybe it's 97 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: not fair to say every culture, every continent save Antarctica 98 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: has myths like this. And then giants are always around, 99 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: as we said, the original bad guys. And there's another 100 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: thing which I think we've we you and I referred 101 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: to as near men are almost men. Yeah, these are 102 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: apes sometimes uh, usually apes, sasquatch things, orangutans that just 103 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: live in the forest, but they you know, if you 104 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: get a glimpse and you don't really know what it is, Yeah, 105 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: it could. I could imagine someone seeing, uh, kind of 106 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: an older orangutan with the long arms, just this weird 107 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: old man in the woods who's just hanging out in 108 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: the forest. Maybe it's his domain, Maybe he's magical. I 109 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm freaked out just from here and you 110 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: tell this story. I've never seen that thing before, right, Yeah, 111 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: And that's that's a really good point map because some 112 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: of these legends have later proven to have a grain 113 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: of truth, right, especially the example that you just mentioned, 114 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: which is a rangutans. Well, yeah, it's a it's a 115 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,679 Speaker 1: fairly strange looking creature and it's but it's very humanlike 116 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: as well. And for a long time, uh, the Europeans 117 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: who were invading or colonizing, depending on which side of 118 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: history you're on. Uh, for a long time, those uh, 119 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: the Europeans were saying, what is this weird monster you 120 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: guys are talking about? Who is the old man of 121 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: the forest, And nobody believed it until the discovery finger 122 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: quote discovery of the orangutang, which is is fascinating to me, 123 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: and we know that this has happened, you know, with 124 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: other ape populations. Guerrillas at one time were believed to 125 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: be largely fictitious by uh right, early colonizing Europeans. I 126 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: believe it was early colonizing Europeans. Somebody will fact check 127 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: me on that. But this brings us so we've walked 128 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: through the folklore and we've shown that in a few 129 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: cases the folklore does have some sort of grain of truth, right, 130 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: So it brings us to this, what about Homo sapiens. 131 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: Did we ever encounter early creatures one ones that actually 132 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: were like us? It's a good question. Well, if we 133 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: want to use natural selection as the kind of the 134 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: lens that we're looking through, then we absolutely had to 135 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: have Homo sapiens had to have experienced Neanderthals or at 136 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: least a version or I guess it would be closer 137 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: to the well, I mean talking out of my um 138 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: rear at the moment, but it would have to be. 139 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: You know, we split at some point, and it's not 140 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: it's not instantaneous, and you the other you know, once 141 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: you've split, whatever you turned into the other side, just 142 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: doesn't disappear, right. Yeah, it's uh, it's sort of like 143 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: the old problem with um some theories about teleportation. It 144 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: reminds me a little bit by way of painful analogy 145 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: about a movie called The Prestige, And yeah, this is tangential. 146 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: This is also chock full of spoilers. So if you 147 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: have not seen The Prestige and you are one of 148 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: those people who will get upset at me, uh for 149 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: you listening to spoilers, then don't us into this part. Uh. Anyway, 150 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: in The Prestige, David Bowie plays Nicola Tesla and does 151 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: a pretty good job considering they look nothing alike. And 152 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: he uh, he invents this teleportation machine with a huge drawback. 153 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: It doesn't so much teleport people as it makes copies 154 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: of objects, because actual teleportation is much more difficult than 155 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: this this sort of mimicry or doubling. So there's a 156 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: very strange situation where one of the magicians, one of 157 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: the main characters in the Prestige, is continually killing earlier 158 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: versions of himself, which is which is hellish. And there's 159 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: also an Orson Scott card story about that that was great, 160 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: but I don't want to ruin that one for you 161 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: either movies all day long. I've done enough damage, you know, 162 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: I think. So we do know, we do know that 163 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: there are a lot of unanswered questions about the arrival 164 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: of modern man. Anyway, for for most of us, most 165 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: people in the West understand the out of Africa theory, 166 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: which is the prevalent modern the prevalent theory in the 167 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: modern time today. And we all know the story. So 168 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: Homo sapien evolves in Africa and from Africa leaves via 169 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: you know, the Northwest Africa area to locations around the globe, 170 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: spreads out and civilization is founded, you know, somewhere in 171 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: the Near East, Middle East in this valley. Um. Well, 172 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: that is also coming up for debate because there are 173 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: some ancient sites have been rediscovered. Yeah, old sites than 174 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: they should be. How do you pronounce it? Cats that 175 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: can't you know what you're talking to? A show on that. Yeah, 176 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: did you hear what Ben said? Trying to figure out 177 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: how to put that into Google? And uh, look that 178 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: up because it's really interesting. Okay, So, um, but they're 179 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: alternate theories there are there. Perhaps there's this one theory 180 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: that there may have been another hominid or humanoid uh 181 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: that had left Africa earlier and traveled throughout the world. 182 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: And in this theory, humanity evolved different locations throughout the 183 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: world separately. Um. And this is I think it's called 184 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: the multi regional theory. Yes, the multi regional theory, which 185 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: sounds can sound pretty strange to us. If you look 186 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: at the timeline of evolution of man from what we know, 187 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: the the errors, the margins of error are huge, just 188 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: the range of dates in which these things could have occurred. 189 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: Uh So, while there is room to explore that, it's 190 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: not and it's not treated as um importantly in the West, 191 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: but in some areas of the world, in China, for instance, 192 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: a version of the multi regional evolutionary theory is incredibly popular. Really. Yeah, 193 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: and I'm going to be honest with you. Uh, I've 194 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: read some accusations that it's because of racism. Well, unfortunately, 195 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: that's where my mind goes when I hear it. Uh, 196 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: it could. Here's the problem. It it's possible. I can't 197 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: discount it currently, but at least that theory because I 198 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,599 Speaker 1: don't have the tools to do the research. I know, 199 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 1: I know what the information is anyway I can That's 200 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: where my mind went when we began talking about that theory. Yeah, 201 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: it's strange because it makes um It makes a space 202 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: where you could say, well, you could easily see a 203 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: lot of people with tremendous prejudice saying oh, yes, of 204 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: course we really are different to you know, insert group 205 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: we don't like here. Somebodys have beef with the Welsh 206 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: or something, and they say, uh, you know, and yes, guys, 207 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 1: Welsh listeners. I'm using the Welsh as an example of 208 00:13:54,200 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: racism because I'm pretty sure that it's not a serious thing. 209 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: And if I'm wrong, I'm I'm sorry, But I'm just 210 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: using it as an example. It would be a terrible thing. 211 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: If that would be a terrible thing, Welsh prejudice. I 212 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: hope it's not around anymore. Point being, point being, there 213 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: is a space in there that people use intern for racism. 214 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: There's another similar theory that an earlier Homed had left 215 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: Africa involved evolved into something like Homo Sapien. So maybe 216 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: you know the demo version of the full album that 217 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: will be Homo Sapien and then returns to Africa. Then uh, 218 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: like a homecoming, Yeah, like an into Africa before out 219 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: of Africa interesting. But again, the most widely accepted theory 220 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: by far and large is the out of Africa theory, 221 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: wherein Homo sapien evolves on the African continent, departs leaves later, 222 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: um starts to have regional variants into the things that 223 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: we recognize as different parts of different human populations around 224 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: the world today. So, you know, you and I have 225 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: a lot of freckles that happened, stuff like that, kind 226 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: of upset with those. Those are ancestors. Got to own it, 227 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: mant own it. It's just too expensive to get all 228 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: these things removed. Uh, it's not cool. We can't even 229 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: walk outside for a very long time. But it's all 230 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: part of the mosaic that is the human experience. Right. 231 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: There are some cave dwellers, our ancestors. I'm sorry I'm 232 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: harping on this, but hey man, they lived. They must 233 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: have been deep in those caves um too. Yeah, and today, 234 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: Homo sapien in general is one of the most successful 235 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: large life forms in Earth's history. Now, we have talked 236 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: before about what defines a successful life form, like our insects, 237 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: the most successful type of life, it's bacteria, because God knows, 238 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: they're a hell of a lot more of them then 239 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: there are humans. Yeah, but regardless of ben there are 240 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: billions of humans running around the earth. And that's a 241 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: large number. Even though there are a lot more of 242 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: the others, of insects and those trees, there's a whole 243 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: lot of us. We're pretty big. But here's the thing. 244 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: Have we always been alone in this space of the 245 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: intelligent large creatures? What a great question. And before we 246 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: answer that that, I think it's time that we have 247 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor. All right, sounds good, let's 248 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: let's go to it. Well, hey there, fren uh me. Yes, 249 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: you you have a look of fear and terror about you. 250 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: Oh jeez, I don't mean to him. Is it my 251 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: eyes work, it's your eyes, it's your posture, it's frankly, 252 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: your smell, everything about you. Said that you are afraid 253 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: of giants. Oh, well, I am afraid of giants, and 254 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: you should be. They are huge, they are dangerous. The 255 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: legends are true, my friend. 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The Neanderthals are 290 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: the first group of hominids that we need to talk about. 291 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: They were first discovered in Germany in the neander Valley, 292 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: which is a silly name anyway. Yeah, so they're They're 293 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: usually classified by paleontologists as the species Homo Neanderthal talness, 294 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: and some consider them to be kind of a the 295 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: sub or a subspecies of Homo sapiens um Homo sapiens 296 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: and neanderthalis okay um. But anyway, Yeah, so the question 297 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: is if they're their own species or if they're just 298 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: a subspecies of modern man. Absolutely, that's that is the question. 299 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: So the first humans with proto Neanderthal traits are believed 300 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: to have existed in Europe um roughly or as early 301 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: as six hundred thousand to three hundred and fifty thousand 302 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 1: years ago, right, and so this means that they became 303 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: extinct during the time of of modern man in terms, 304 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: you know, in terms of anatomy. Right. Uh, there's a 305 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: another group that we should talk about that you and 306 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: I got pretty excited about when we first heard of this, 307 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: and those are the dennis Ovans. Um spoiler alert. Most 308 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: of the early man variations that we find have names 309 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: based only on where there were first discovered. Okay, so 310 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: the dennis Ovans, we don't have much to go on 311 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: with these folks. Uh. Fairly recently, researchers at the Denisovan 312 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: Cave in the Altai Mountains of Siberia found, uh, just 313 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: some tiny stuff like fingerbone, toe, a couple of toes, 314 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: fragments of skulls, and from this they were able to 315 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: look at the d NA and discover that there was 316 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: another either a completely different species of early man or 317 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: a subspecies of Homo sapien. And here's the thing. Asia, 318 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: the entire continent is not very well mapped from an 319 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: evolutionary perspective, so we're not sure what's going on with 320 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: the Denisovans. We don't really know what they look like. 321 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: We we don't know where they came from. Yeah, it's 322 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: it's very new. The Denisovan, the idea of the Denisovan 323 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: is very new, and we could have found some stuff 324 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: from earlier that was also a Denisovan example, but just 325 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: not recognized. Right. Um. One one thing to note here 326 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: been is that it's I've seen them called Asian Neanderthals 327 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: or the Denisovan uh Denizowan's referred to as that, and 328 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: that doesn't appear to be accurate. Even though it does 329 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: appear that they bred with Neanderthals or interbred with neanderthals Um, 330 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: seventeen of their DNA does it does seem to be 331 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 1: neandertal um, although they think maybe they also perhaps bred 332 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: with another unknown uh homaid variant. Weird, right, And this 333 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: is this fascinating because some Neanderthal bones were found with 334 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: Dennisovan bones in the Outzhim Mountain cave, and it seems 335 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: as though they might have been living together. Again, we 336 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: don't know what they look like because we only found 337 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: a little bit of stuff, but this, this finger bone, 338 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 1: which is from a younger female, is uh, way bigger 339 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: than it would be if you was a Homo sapien. 340 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: So based on that, the big assumption that we're making 341 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: is that they were probably well, it's a polite way 342 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: to say this, probably robust, you know, hardy um. Maybe 343 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: in a video game they would be the tank. Oh 344 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: totally yeah, if that makes sense, they right, Yeah, their 345 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: bruisers for sure. At least they were larger than Homo sapien, 346 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: probably maybe not taller. But research is ongoing, so we're 347 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: gonna learn more about Dennis Savins as we continue. Hopefully 348 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: we'll be able to update our video episode with some 349 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: more information. This leads us to one of the most 350 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: exciting and controversial recent finds of early man Homo floris sins. 351 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: This which I just totally that's the that's exactly the 352 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 1: way I wanted to pronounce fit, but I I wasn't 353 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: gonna attempt it so what are we talking about when 354 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: we say this, what are we talking We're talking about 355 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: a real well a real life hobbit. Okay, I see 356 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: the finger quotes there, Yes, all right, how do we 357 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 1: find out about this? All right? So there were nine 358 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: individuals discovered in Indonesia in two thousand three on an 359 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 1: island island called Florious, which again mispronouncing there um. They 360 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: were standing about three and a half feet tall. Well, 361 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: they would be standing three and a half feet tall 362 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: if they could, and we're alive. But but that was 363 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: the entire community. It wasn't just one or two that 364 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: they found nine individuals that were that at all. Right, 365 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: And we know a lot of modern news outlets just 366 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: want to run with the sexy headline. So a bunch 367 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: of scientists got their dander up when they saw these 368 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: headlines that said real live hobbits found in Indonesia, uh, 369 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: and immediately started trying to shoot holes in the theory. 370 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: Was there a genetic problem? Somebody had said, be this 371 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 1: was an isolated and the uh the implication there will 372 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: be inbred population that had microcephaly, which is a very 373 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: debilitating condition wherein somebody's head is much smaller than it 374 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: should be and it can affect intelligence as well, or 375 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: maybe they had no thyroid for some reason. Another another 376 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: thing that's not the same but similar is that maybe 377 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: they were a distinct community that had island dwarfism, which is, 378 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: you know, the the theory that animals who end up 379 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: being on islands also end up being growing smaller over 380 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 1: time their species for this to happen, and they would 381 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: have to be divergence here. But there's a really weird part. 382 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: They were around pretty recently, right, Yes, these um they 383 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: lived as only as twelve thousand years ago, which is well, 384 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: it's very recent from the span of humanity, um, and 385 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: that means it was it was alive during the time 386 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: of modern man, so when human humanity was around, Homo sapien, right, 387 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 1: they were around as well. That is crazy because especially 388 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: considering that we're we as a society are still trying 389 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: to figure out what is going on with the human brain, right, 390 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: and we don't understand the nature of intelligence. For a 391 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: long time, we thought that size of a brain was 392 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: related to intelligence, but the things that we're learning about 393 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: very intelligent creatures are proving that is probably not the case. 394 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: And one thing that we found is that, uh, these 395 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,959 Speaker 1: creatures were a little bit based on their anatomy. They 396 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: were a little bit closer to apes than modern man, 397 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: you know, in terms of length of arm to length 398 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: of lag. And they have tiny, tiny heads, you know, 399 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: in comparison to us and Neanderthals, I'm sure. And despite 400 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: all this, they still built stone tools, so they had 401 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: the intelligence to make tools. And there's a really to 402 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: go back to folklore, there's this fascinating thing called the 403 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna mispronounce this one took the Ebu Go Go 404 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: myths in Flores concern this race of small little people 405 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: who are not that great at language, but they hunt 406 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: and they can play tricks, and they interact with the 407 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: local population. And it's funny that this pops up because 408 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: we know that Indonesia still has a lot of remote forests, 409 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 1: although they are increasingly being torn down for various industries. 410 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: We also know that these quote unquote real life hobbits 411 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: are the longest surviving non modern humans that we know. 412 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: It's pretty awesome. It makes me gosh, it makes me 413 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: wonder if that was the last surviving family perhaps of 414 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: of of you know, the these mythological creatures that were 415 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: an actuality a real thing. That's that's fascinating to think about. 416 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: I'd love to have that to that story told, you know, 417 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: and on a film or something, just to see that. 418 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: Darren Ronofsky, you're probably listening, Let's be honest, it's time. 419 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: Uh yeah. Well there's some really interesting stuff here too, 420 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: because reports of these ebu go go linger well into 421 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: the Portuguese arrival in Indonesia and even today there's a 422 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: cryptid called the orong Pendic, which is described as a 423 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: very short, very strong, ape like creature, and there have 424 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: been numerous reports this but we still have yet to 425 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: find a body or a fossil. You know what I mean, Man, 426 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: I just want to go out and live in the 427 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: forest for a while with a bunch of cameras. Yeah. 428 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,239 Speaker 1: Well again, anyone listening at Discovery or sign channel Ben 429 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: and I will do these kinds of things. You just 430 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: you know, just give us the money and the cameras 431 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: and we'll go. Yeah. Just the plane ticket, really plane 432 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: ticket in the camera and you don't have to pay me. 433 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: I'll camp out in Indonesia. Sure, all right. So what's 434 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: fascinating here is that the theories of how these creatures 435 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: arrived maybe it's not fair to call them creatures. I 436 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: think they're close enough that we should refer to them 437 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: as people. The theories of how these Homo floores synsiss 438 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: arrive on this island sort of requires them to have 439 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: a knowledge of rafting at the very least, to come 440 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: over on a bamboo boat or something, because the distances 441 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: too far to swim. So this means that they also 442 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: at some point, whoever their ancestors were. Whomever their ancestors were, 443 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: those people were capable of building boats, which makes us 444 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: rethink a lot of the stuff that we we think about, 445 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: because these these creatures are clearly not Homo sapien the 446 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: way that we would understand it. And so is it 447 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: possible that's just an isolated branch of Homo sapien that 448 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: over the years, over the centuries, over millennia, became something 449 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: that seems startlingly different. And that's not even that's not 450 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: even all of it. We just named the three early 451 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: man types early human types that we know of, because 452 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: there's more to the story, right right then, There are 453 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: a lot of known unknowns um we we do know 454 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: of both Dennis Ovans and Neanderthals. They both bred with 455 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: another early unknown version of man, and we don't know 456 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: what that was at all, or well, at least there 457 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: are some ideas, but we we really don't know. And 458 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: we also if you also are look at the gaps 459 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: in the early record, it's also possible that we may 460 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: discover these other variations just from going at it. Basically 461 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: more digging and more searching. Um. But the biggest thing 462 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: are Okay, so if we if we want to look 463 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: at um, one of the most interesting things to me 464 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: are these mysterious graves that exist. There are there are 465 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: numerous anecdotal and proven accounts of mysterious grave sites with 466 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: near human or humanoid basically human like remains, and they're 467 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: often really old. And some of those are are hoaxes, 468 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: like the photoshop giant pictures you mentioned earlier, or like 469 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: the pilt down man in England. Uh there. You know, 470 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: there are cases where unscrupulous, often racist investigators would take 471 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: you know, like an ape's jaw bone and put it 472 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: on a human skull and things like that. But those 473 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: hoaxes aren't the only thing. They're also medical conditions, right, Yeah, 474 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: you've got agromeglia dwarf is um um micro or also 475 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: hypo cephali. There's all kinds of genetic disorders like the 476 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: what's that what's that one been? The boscops man? Oh yeah, okay, 477 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: so this is this is interesting because we don't know 478 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: if it's exactly a genetic disorder yet. So there was 479 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: a series of skulls found in South Africa by some 480 00:32:55,520 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: farmers and they noticed, to their credit that these these 481 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: skulls fragments they were finding didn't seem to be what 482 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: you would expect from a human skull. And essentially what 483 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: they found were baby faced people with huge craniums. Ancient too, 484 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: so in uh some of the fringe research sites, and 485 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: according to a very controversial study, this so called bust 486 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: scopes man mos scopes man if I'm pronouncing correctly, is 487 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: a highly evolved or highly intelligent variant of human that 488 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: somehow died out way in the past. And this argument 489 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: for a very high intelligence on the part of these 490 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: fossils is made based on the based on the size 491 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: of what their brain would have been, how much how 492 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: much brain they could have in their brain case. And 493 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: again going back to the earlier thing we pointed out, 494 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: what we have learned is that that is not necessarily 495 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: the deciding factor. The brain can be smaller and really 496 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: intelligent I E. Ravens. Yeah, sure for all kinds. There's 497 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: high intelligence all over the place in the brain. I 498 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: guess it matters in the folds mostly, right, it's it's also, yeah, 499 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: which regions of the brain are the most are the 500 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 1: most of all, they're the most sophisticated. So when we 501 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,959 Speaker 1: when we look at this, of course we're waiting through 502 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: a lot of misinformation and a lot of disinformation. We 503 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 1: have an earlier podcast on misinformation and disinformation if you 504 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: want to know the difference. Right, Um, but we also 505 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: know that despite the hoaxes, despite the things that may 506 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: clearly be medical conditions, we have social practices and then 507 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: we have some inexplicable stuff. So when we say social practices, 508 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: there are these skulls that have, um, that that have 509 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: sort of a cone head, look, you know, ver elongated. Yeah, 510 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,479 Speaker 1: and it's because they were shaping their heads right since 511 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: they were essentially since they're born, they begin shaping their heads. 512 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: The way they do it, and don't do this to 513 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 1: your children's, don't. But the way that they do it 514 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: is taking wet uh slats of wood. I don't know 515 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: why I'm acting it out now in the audio podcast, 516 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 1: and uh and wrapping the wood tightly around the head 517 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: so that it's pressing. Now. You remember, of course, that 518 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: a baby's skull is much more pliable than human skull. 519 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 1: The bones that you are born within your skull as 520 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: a child don't fuse together until you know, later in life. 521 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: So they're able to make these things that look like 522 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: make these people that look like they have heads from 523 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: the alien films. Yeah, um, But then there are also 524 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: other things, um, the horn to growths. I remember seeing 525 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,959 Speaker 1: pictures of this ben Um. Is this was this something 526 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 1: found in the skull or is this something that was 527 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: artificially done? We are Yeah, that's a good question. We 528 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: know that there are a lot of hoaxes about this 529 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: kind of stuff too, but we do know that people 530 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: can grow horns, um for all intents and purposes. You 531 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: can look up pictures of people who have been alive, 532 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: likely during your lifetime, who, due to one rare condition 533 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: or another, have grown horns. They're normal people. They're just 534 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,320 Speaker 1: normal people affected with something the same way that you 535 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 1: would be affected with a mole. You know what I mean. Okay, 536 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: it's just growth on the bone. Uh. Yeah, I don't 537 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,399 Speaker 1: know enough about this to really delve into it yet, um, 538 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: but I can definitely check it out. We can do, 539 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: you know, devil people, if it's not gonna be too offensive, 540 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,280 Speaker 1: um to look into it at least. Yeah. And also 541 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 1: we know because of confirmation bias that a lot of 542 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: skulls have been found that are irregular, such as the 543 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: very popular star child skull remember that one, uh that 544 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,320 Speaker 1: these have These have been touted by people who believe 545 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 1: in ancient alien theories as evidence of alien visitation or 546 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: something else. It looks like in most cases those deformed 547 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: skulls come either from a medical condition or from a 548 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: uh social practice. But they're inexplicable corpses. There really are 549 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: corpses that are There are bones at least skeletons that 550 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: are eight feet tall that we find, and they're freaky, 551 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: but so far as we know, they're not part of 552 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: a large breeding population. We've only found a few. But 553 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,320 Speaker 1: to me, the most interesting things that we find that 554 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 1: are the most difficult to explain would be anachronistic remains. 555 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: Anachronistic meaning something that is not in the time it 556 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,399 Speaker 1: belongs in, And this would be stuff like Romans out 557 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,800 Speaker 1: in western China at the wrong time, So they're finding 558 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: Caucasian corpses in the weirdest places. That's easily explainable. It's 559 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: just time travel. It's fine, Okay, well that makes sense. 560 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: And also we're finding you know, an African or what 561 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: would normally be ascribed as African uh remains in South America. 562 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 1: And you know, we we we know that history is 563 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: a muddy story here. So I mean, like people still 564 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 1: are trying to figure out what's going on with the 565 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: Olmec civilization. Right, So we've looked at all these ancient 566 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: discoveries or discoveries, but from from a long time ago. 567 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: The earliest was twelve thousand years ago. But here's the big, 568 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:54,280 Speaker 1: the big question again, are we still today alone our 569 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,879 Speaker 1: Homo sapiens, the only hominid, the only version of human 570 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: that exists today walking around? Could you could you go 571 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:07,439 Speaker 1: somewhere and find one find another type of human? Well, 572 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 1: according to some studies that are a little bit controversial, 573 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,759 Speaker 1: you and I might be talking to Neanderthal's right now, 574 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: or Dennis Ovans I could be in Neandertal. Yeah, totally. 575 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: Those freckles and our reddish hair dead giveaways. Man, we 576 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: are no we are no longer pure Homo sapien quality. 577 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: You know what, I'm okay with it. So, according to 578 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: some studies that continue today, including something with the neat 579 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 1: name of the Neanderthal Genome Project uh, all global populations 580 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,720 Speaker 1: other than some parts of Africa like Sub Saharan Africa 581 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: exhibit significant Neanderthal genes, and significant only in that they 582 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,839 Speaker 1: are traceable. So through a whole genome sequencing, a two 583 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: thousand ten sequence of the Neanderthal genome revealed that Neanderthals 584 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:03,319 Speaker 1: share more A leals with Eurasian populations. So this would 585 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,280 Speaker 1: be like the French, the Han, Chinese, Papua New Guinea 586 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:12,839 Speaker 1: than they did with sub Saharan African populations. So they 587 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: think that people did the study that this means there 588 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: was a recent gene flow from Neanderthals to modern humans 589 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 1: after the migration out of Africa, and that if you 590 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: have Eurasian heritage that it could be up to one 591 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:34,359 Speaker 1: to four percent of your genome. What this means, oh, 592 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,280 Speaker 1: and then they lowered that percent in two thousand thirteen. 593 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: What this means is that people who are around there, 594 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:47,320 Speaker 1: according to this study, people whose ancestry originates. There have 595 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: some sort of evidence genetic evidence of Homo sapian interbreeding 596 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 1: with Neanderthal The highest admixture, of course, uh would be 597 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: you know, Eurasia, East Asia, and the lowest being Sub 598 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: Saharan Africa. And they're not the only people that might 599 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 1: still be in the game because we mentioned dennis Ovans, right, Yeah, 600 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 1: according to UH some of the some of this DNA evidence, 601 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:18,480 Speaker 1: it appears that dennis Ovan DNA is found in Southeast 602 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 1: Asian populations even today. Um and notably you're looking at 603 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: Papua New Guinea populations UM. And there are also there's 604 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: also evidence of this in other I guess you'd say 605 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: oceanic areas of the world, so uh, this would be 606 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:41,800 Speaker 1: in islands in Indonesia, Malaysia. Uh. There there's still some 607 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 1: studies out because they're still learning a lot about this. 608 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 1: But what this means is that dennis Ovans were probably 609 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,879 Speaker 1: all over East Asia for a time and they were 610 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 1: interbreeding with modern man, they were interbreeding with Neanderthals, they 611 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 1: were checking off the bucket list. It's almost as though 612 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: they got pushed uh out in it to see almost 613 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: like they were seafair more seafaring at least from what 614 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 1: I've been looking at. Oh yeah, yeah, there's at least 615 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,799 Speaker 1: they were good at it, right, or or their their 616 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: descendants were at the very least. Now we get to 617 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 1: the big one, Matt, what else is out there? We 618 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: have no idea, We have no idea that, we have 619 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 1: no idea what we could find. Uh. We might well 620 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,360 Speaker 1: discover that some of the legends about giants and little 621 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:38,720 Speaker 1: people or alternate versions of near human things are indeed true. 622 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,800 Speaker 1: We still haven't found a sasquatch. We still have not 623 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 1: found a sasquatch. We have found, of course, one of 624 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: the one of the interesting candidates for a sasquatch is 625 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,800 Speaker 1: always going to be a bear. But uh, but we 626 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 1: have found that polar bears and grizzly bears can interbreed. 627 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,880 Speaker 1: We have also found that, at least in the past, uh, 628 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 1: large animals could escape detection for a while. The discovery 629 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 1: of that massive collection of guerrillas in Africa a few 630 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:16,719 Speaker 1: years back, the discovery of recent mammals like um, that 631 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 1: that monkey with no nos It still freaks me remember 632 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 1: that thing? How Yeah, And then there's there's still so 633 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:29,440 Speaker 1: many archaeological mysteries in play will leave you with one here, 634 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:34,399 Speaker 1: and that's the Red Deer Cave People. As recently as 635 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 1: eleven thousand years ago. There's a community in Red Deer 636 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 1: Cave in China, and they have a unique mix of 637 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:51,280 Speaker 1: early and modern human population uh characteristics. So I implore 638 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,160 Speaker 1: you to go check out Red Deer Cave People and 639 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: read a very very interesting story. Also, I hope that 640 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 1: you will check out our video a series on giants 641 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,320 Speaker 1: and some what what else do we have on this? 642 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,680 Speaker 1: We have the who are the Nomo? We have the Nomo, 643 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:11,520 Speaker 1: the one about our humans evolving? Yeah still and if 644 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,080 Speaker 1: you want to, you can even go back to the 645 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:18,719 Speaker 1: ancient aliens content we've covered. Um, there's this branches out 646 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:23,080 Speaker 1: into it. Yeah, it's gonna go with it anyway. It 647 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 1: has a lot of branches this episode and um, and 648 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,440 Speaker 1: one thing we would I would like to say this, 649 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:33,400 Speaker 1: this kind of topic lends itself towards, um, some of 650 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:38,719 Speaker 1: the darker things in humanity, towards racism and some of 651 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:44,720 Speaker 1: anytime you're talking about DNA and humanity, would just encourage 652 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,920 Speaker 1: you to fight any of those urges. If you have 653 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,879 Speaker 1: any of those, uh, fight them off with a stick. Please. Well, yeah, 654 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,640 Speaker 1: we we do know that in most cases think things 655 00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 1: like that are huge impediments to science. They're not really helpful, 656 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: they get in the way. In our Human Experimentation episode, 657 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:11,040 Speaker 1: we talk about the huge ethical dilemma of Nazi experimentation 658 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,680 Speaker 1: on people, and we also note that one of the 659 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,400 Speaker 1: things that really prevents a lot of this research from 660 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,040 Speaker 1: being as valuable as it could have been was the 661 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: underlying Yeah, the underlying bias, the underlying ideological constraints of 662 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 1: the experimenters. So so, yeah, Matt, you and I are not. 663 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,239 Speaker 1: I think it's fairly clear that you and I personally 664 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,480 Speaker 1: believe in and out of Africa theory rather than the 665 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:47,239 Speaker 1: multi regional hypothesis. UM. I think that there are more 666 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,320 Speaker 1: early races of manner and the word race is not 667 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,640 Speaker 1: really fair here. I think they're more early versions of 668 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:57,040 Speaker 1: man that were around and have a genetic legacy today. 669 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,400 Speaker 1: The contributions by the way of Denisovans, uh, Neanderthal's and 670 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,680 Speaker 1: other archaic humans appear to be if all this is true, 671 00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,320 Speaker 1: if the studies are true, Uh, these appear to be 672 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:14,000 Speaker 1: crucial parts of our evolution in terms of immunity to 673 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:19,640 Speaker 1: pathogens that evolved after Homo sapien left Africa. So we're 674 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 1: alive in a weird way. Again. If this stuff is 675 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,919 Speaker 1: true because we have been saved by cave people, awesome. Yeah, 676 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,000 Speaker 1: also not fair because Homo sapiens total cave people for 677 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:34,600 Speaker 1: a very long time. I've got We've got one more 678 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,919 Speaker 1: surprise here before we head out. Instead of doing listener mail, 679 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,279 Speaker 1: you and I didn't experiment on Twitter, right, Yes we did. 680 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,759 Speaker 1: We just asked you if you wanted to hear your 681 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:51,440 Speaker 1: name on a podcast. Yeah, guess what it's happening right now. Okay, 682 00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,239 Speaker 1: let's start checking out some people who wrote to us 683 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,960 Speaker 1: or retweeted and asked for a shout out. Kia Stacy, 684 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:03,440 Speaker 1: Hello there, don Tree, you are in the house. I 685 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,880 Speaker 1: believe there's Joel Micah Harris chet Lemon. I've seen you 686 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:14,759 Speaker 1: around on Twitter. JP Wiganed also seen your face a lot. 687 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:22,000 Speaker 1: San Juan Underscore, Puerto Rico. Interesting, So is that a 688 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,600 Speaker 1: place that wants a shout out? Maybe it's a person, 689 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,480 Speaker 1: it's like a representative of the place. That's pretty fun. Well, 690 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,719 Speaker 1: just to cover our bases, let's also give a shout 691 00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:36,720 Speaker 1: out to the entire city of San Juan, Puerto Rico, Rico, Rico. 692 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:42,200 Speaker 1: We've also got uh a very interesting person named JPC. 693 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:49,240 Speaker 1: We also have no uh yeah, there's a oh jeez, 694 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:54,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and do this right Keith Mastro Michal's 695 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:59,040 Speaker 1: shout out to ellipses or dot dot dot. Well, we'll 696 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 1: come back to that one, come back to I think 697 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,480 Speaker 1: that's what that means. Um. We've also got Joe v 698 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:09,400 Speaker 1: on ax Man. That's a cool name. Oh yeah, Jessica J. 699 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:15,560 Speaker 1: Glover f congratulations, your name was just spoken uh digitally 700 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:21,279 Speaker 1: on a podcast. There's Jason R. Yeager seen you as 701 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,800 Speaker 1: well all over Twitter, one of the first people to 702 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:28,200 Speaker 1: read tweet. That's right too. And that's not all. Some 703 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,680 Speaker 1: of you wrote to us with uh responses here. So 704 00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,560 Speaker 1: Bobby Samuel replied to something that made me laugh. Matt, 705 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,000 Speaker 1: I want to read it to you and see if 706 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,239 Speaker 1: you see if you get this, it's more of a 707 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,080 Speaker 1: visual thing conspiracy stuff. Can I get a shout out 708 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:49,120 Speaker 1: from my friends Nil wob neb and Cured deer Tam. 709 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,520 Speaker 1: Do you get it? No? I have to read it 710 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:57,920 Speaker 1: nice our words back? Yeah yeah, got us there, um okay, 711 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,759 Speaker 1: and Heather also wanted us out out high Heather and 712 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:06,080 Speaker 1: thank you for the very nice thing you said in 713 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,400 Speaker 1: what you called your ill advised late night tweets. Uh. 714 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:14,600 Speaker 1: We also have uh not Mugan who just learned about 715 00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,400 Speaker 1: our audio podcast. We hope you're checking out and enjoying it. 716 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,680 Speaker 1: Uh JPC. You made us laugh, of course when you 717 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,120 Speaker 1: said it will be a conspiracy if I don't get 718 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:28,000 Speaker 1: a shout out. Well played, sir, And we'd also like 719 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,480 Speaker 1: to return to our buddy who was Ellipses or dot 720 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:37,960 Speaker 1: dot dot, because we had an actual conversation online about 721 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,480 Speaker 1: how to pronounce your name, my friend. We wanted to 722 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,719 Speaker 1: make sure we got it right because, as we said, 723 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,960 Speaker 1: Americans on both continents sorry cartoonishly bad at pronouncing things. 724 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,239 Speaker 1: So shout out to you Keith Lee. 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