1 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to Securing America with me, Frank Affne. The program 2 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country 3 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: we love against all enemies foreign and domestic, to the 4 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: glory of God and his Kingdom. We're going to be 5 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: talking about a number of threats to our country, and 6 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: I would argue God's Kingdom with one of our most 7 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 1: revered contributors to this program, I call him a free 8 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: range mind. We're going to cover a lot of things, 9 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: but starting with what I consider topic A China, you're 10 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: a few contextual thought. My own President Trump is mentally 11 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: working to put out the fire that has engulfed Ukraine 12 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: ever since Russian dictator of Vladimir Putin invaded it in 13 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: February twenty twenty two. He's trying to negotiate not simply 14 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: to contain the still raging flames, but to prevent permanently 15 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: a wider conflagration. But seemingly entirely absent from the discussion 16 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: is what about the arsonist? The man who probably instigated, 17 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: clearly green lighted, and certainly is enabling the war in 18 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: Ukraine is China's tyrant, Jijingpeng, his strategic arsen First, there 19 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: and subsequently in the Middle East has principally benefited the 20 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party with cheap oil, arm sails, and chaos 21 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: that is distracted and depleted the chief firefighter the United States. Currently, 22 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: the CCP's in the process of sparking a new conflict 23 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: with the Philippines. If we fail to stop, the arsonist 24 00:01:54,880 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: will likely be engulfed by World WARGI. This is my thoughts. 25 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: For more of them, follow me at Frank Affney on 26 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: x and also at Substack where we have the Securing 27 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: America page and strongly encourage you to visit it, as 28 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: well as the website of our new Institute for the 29 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: American Future. Its website is usfuture dot org and there's 30 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: a wealth of information there that I comment to you 31 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: as well, support it as it makes possible this program. Actually, 32 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: we are pleased to have with us the chairman of 33 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: the Board of Directors of the Institute for the American Future. 34 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: That would be Rod Martin. As I say, a man 35 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: we prize greatly, not least for his friendship and his 36 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: leadership in so many ways, but also for his intellect 37 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 1: and the extent to which he is now bringing it 38 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: to bear in a couple of very important ways, notably 39 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:58,399 Speaker 1: with the Institute, but also at Rodmartin dot org, where 40 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: you can find the Rod Martin World Report. It's wealth 41 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: wonderful information by Rod and a number of guest authors 42 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: as well, and I strongly commend it to you always. Rod, 43 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: welcome back. It's good to have you with us, sir, 44 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: it's great to be here. Thank you. Let's talk a 45 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,839 Speaker 1: little bit about China. I caught an interview you did 46 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: with NTD Television Network with our friend Gordon Chang the 47 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: other day, and I think you were very much of 48 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: a mind about China's role in this Ukraine business, among 49 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: other problems. Talk a little bit about how it shapes 50 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: up this set of negotiations and the fact that we 51 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: seem to be leaving out of the picture accountability and 52 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: efforts to contrain it's constrained the arsonist in chief. 53 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: I think most of the people talking about this are 54 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: leaving them out. But I don't think Donald Trump is 55 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: Everything we see in Trump's foreign policy is aimed at 56 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: isolating and containing China in almost ken and esque fashion. 57 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 2: You know, we are reinforcing the first island chain. We 58 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 2: are drying up the cash that they earn from exports, 59 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 2: which honestly is not only they're they're only they're only 60 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 2: real source of money, but the only real source they're 61 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: gonna have as their demographic collapse proceeds. So you know, 62 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: everything he's doing puts China in more and more of 63 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 2: a box. And I don't think that's lost on China 64 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 2: by any means. But yeah, you're exactly right. Beijing wanted 65 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: this war. Beijing wants this war to continue, and there 66 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: are multiple reasons. One is their long term goal to 67 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: get Siberia. And you can't blame them. I mean, I 68 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: totally get it. There's all these resources in a largely 69 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 2: empty area that's vast and exploitable only with high technology, 70 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: which the Chinese probably have enough of and assume that 71 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: they will have more of in ten or twenty years. 72 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 3: So you know, that all makes sense. It's certainly easier. 73 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: Than an amphibious invasion of Taiwan, so there's that aspect, 74 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: but much shorter term. What they've achieved here through this 75 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: war is effectively the colonization of Russia. Now whether that 76 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 2: sticks is quite another matter, but they're getting Russian oil 77 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 2: at a ridiculous discount. They're forcing Moscow to pay in 78 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 2: gold or in yawn. So they're just depleting Russia's treasury 79 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 2: as fast as they can, and they're putting Russia in 80 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 2: an incredibly subordinate position. 81 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 3: I don't think that's lost. 82 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 2: On Putin, and I think that's part of the reason 83 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 2: why he went to Anchorage. 84 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: So is it your view that there is actually a 85 00:05:54,960 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: prospect for what is being described as a rapprochemolt between 86 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: the United States and Russia that would essentially sever the 87 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: so called no limits partnership or well, the colonization that 88 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 1: you've just described. 89 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 2: Well, you can't ever trust them, obviously, but yeah, interest 90 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: is a powerful motivator. It's what we were talking about 91 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 2: in the Middle East with Trump's commerce not chaos approach. 92 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 2: Same thing here. I mean, he was very explicit going 93 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: into the Anchorage summit that you know, this isn't just sticks, 94 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 2: this comes with carrots. We're gonna invest in Russia. We're 95 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 2: gonna give Russia an opportunity to participate in the rare 96 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 2: earths in the portions of Ukraine that they currently control. 97 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 2: We're gonna do things that get Russia back up off 98 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 2: the mat. Well, the more you do that, the more 99 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: Russia is detached from China. Obviously there's the risk that 100 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 2: they could collaborate, but their long term geopolitical enemies. There's 101 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of tension there that we 102 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 2: have nothing to do with. So if Russia is stronger 103 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 2: but in a framework that keeps them neutralized with regard 104 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: to threatening Naido, the natural result of that is harm 105 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: to China's position, and it makes it harder for China 106 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 2: to actually get control of Siberia. 107 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 3: So on balance, I think Trump's on the. 108 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: Right track here, and with respect to China, I think 109 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: your point is very well taken. About Siberia, I'm not 110 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: so sure I agree with the prospects of repro small frankly, 111 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: simply because I think they've they've effectively sold their soul 112 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: to the Chicoms. But Siberia, I think you're absolutely right, 113 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: is not only an aspiration of gen company to colonize it, 114 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: but they're well on their way to doing it as 115 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: I understand it. You've got substantial numbers of Chinese now 116 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: populating that largely unpopulated area, as I understand it, and 117 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: that may mean this is a more near term prospect 118 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: than otherwise would be expected on. 119 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: A proportional basis. The Russian Far East has a much 120 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: much worse illegal immigration problem than we had under Biden. 121 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 4: And the problem and it's mostly Chinese. 122 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, And the problem for Russia is that in large measure, 123 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 2: the Russian women in the Russian Far East are very 124 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 2: very happy to marry Chinese men, who by and large 125 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 2: are not alcoholics and don't beat them. 126 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: So you're and the Chinese have an interest because there 127 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: are no women for them in their own country. 128 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 2: By mine, I mean, there's just everything works in China's 129 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: favor in the long term in Siberia, except that China 130 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 2: has destroyed its own future at home with the one 131 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 2: child policy and the demographic collapse. We continue to watch, 132 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 2: you know, they're looking to stabilize their total fertility rate 133 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: around zero point eight. At that rate, they lose seventy 134 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 2: five percent of their population by the end of the century. 135 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 2: And the harm in the short term is greater than 136 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 2: in the long term. In the short term, you're losing people, 137 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 2: primarily in your younger working age generations, so you have 138 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: fewer and fewer people to support a larger and larger 139 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 2: proportion of the population that's elderly, and the whole the 140 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 2: train is just going off the tracks. 141 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: When you say you're losing them, you mean that you 142 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: just don't have them. They're not being born, they're not 143 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: being raised, They're not part of the demographics of the country. 144 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: This is such an important point, Roger hold the thought. 145 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 1: We have to come back to it. Stand By, We've 146 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: got to take a very quick break. We'll be right 147 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: back with Rod Martin on all Chinese demographics, among much 148 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: else to We're back, and so is Rod Martin, the 149 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: chairman of the Institute for the American Future. I'm very 150 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: proud to say he is also the well driving force 151 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: behind rodmartin dot Org, a wonderful online resource which I 152 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: strongly commend to you. It compiles his written materials, those 153 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: of guest authors, and also video appearances, including sometimes those 154 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: of this program as well. We're always delighted to see 155 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: it there. Rod. I hated to interrupt you, but you 156 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: were making a very important point about the demographic time 157 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: bomb that is China. As a result of its one 158 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: child policy, by the way, folks having murdered an estimated 159 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: one hundred million of its own people. It actually boasts 160 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: of having killed four hundred million in the womb as 161 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: part of this population control exercise. The implications of this 162 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: are are stunning. I don't know that the world has 163 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: ever seen anything like it, certainly not without massive World 164 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: War II level destruction of the population. 165 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 2: Really hates life, and you see that wherever they're in power. 166 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: You know, the obvious examples are Hitler and Stalin and 167 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 2: mal or Paul Pott for that matter. But look at 168 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: New York. You know where the Democrats are in control. 169 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 2: Black Democrats talk constantly about their desire for greater political power, 170 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 2: but they've destroyed that with their own hand through abortion. 171 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 2: More Black babies are aborted in New York than are 172 00:11:58,520 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 2: born alive. 173 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 3: And if you look at what abortion. 174 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: Has done to the Black population in the United States 175 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 2: since Roe v. Wade, what you realize is they're about 176 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 2: twelve percent of the population right now, but without abortion, 177 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: they'd be eighteen percent. Now, how many more congressmen and 178 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 2: how much more power does that turn into? 179 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 3: And they've done it to themselves. 180 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 2: China has done exactly the same thing on a massively 181 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: greater scale, and the net result is just catastrophic over time. 182 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 2: And the point I was making right before the break 183 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 2: was that part of the problem here and it's catching 184 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 2: up with them is that China lies about all of this. 185 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 2: So they have been counting in their population total about 186 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: one hundred million to one hundred and twenty million working 187 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 2: age people who simply don't exist. 188 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 3: And it's not even so much that. 189 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 2: Beijing was lying about it, as the local governments were 190 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 2: lying to Beijing because everything in the system is incentivized 191 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 2: to lie, and so their statistics are bogus. Everything about 192 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 2: their earnings reports are bogus. And that's why you're seeing 193 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 2: this enormous capital flight from China. We have seen foreign 194 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 2: direct investment in China drop ninety seven percent in the 195 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 2: last three years, most of which is flowing into the 196 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 2: United States, and that is a geopolitical catastrophe for them. 197 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: Indeed, I do have to just mention that the impact 198 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: that you've just described on the black population in the 199 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: United States ongoing impact, by the way, was actually Margaret 200 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: Sanger's purpose in creating Planned Parented was to suppress the 201 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: black population. Was it not another place where this is operating. 202 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: Another place where this is operating rod is the district 203 00:13:53,960 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: of Columbia as well, which has a substantially black majority. 204 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: It has also been written with considerable crime in recent 205 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: years and hopelessness and drugs and the like. The President 206 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 1: Trump has decided that he's going to act to do 207 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: something about it, essentially federalizing the law enforcement functions to 208 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: clean up the homeless encampments and provide a measure of 209 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: security for the population. There's a lot of caviling about 210 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: that from the left. He's offering to do it for 211 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: a couple of other cities, including I think New York. 212 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts about this initiative. 213 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: Well, it's brilliant politics more than anything else. What it 214 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: does is it humiliates the leaders of every major city 215 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: in this country. Accept Miami, and why do I accept 216 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 2: Miami Because Miami's run by Republicans. It's the only major 217 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: city that is. Every other city is run by these 218 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: Democrat machines that have just driven them into the dirt. 219 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: You know, your most extreme case, of course, being Detroit, 220 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 2: and they're just horrifying war zones. You're safer walking the 221 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: streets at night in Baghdad than in Chicago, and that's 222 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 2: been true for decades. 223 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 3: And they keep voting for the same people. 224 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 2: So what Trump is doing is just forcibly humiliating the 225 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 2: DC government. And yes, you could actually make some progress 226 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 2: in DC by repealing the Home Rule Act. 227 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 3: That actually would. 228 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: Be a good thing, because that city is intractably democrat 229 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 2: and they're always going to run it this way. But 230 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: in cities like New York, in cities maybe not Chicago, 231 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 2: but lots of others, there's actually a real prospect. Dallas 232 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 2: is a good example where you could actually have meaningful 233 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 2: encroachment by Republicans into the population of the city. That 234 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 2: would be That would be a tsunamic for American politics. 235 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: Interesting, especially at a time when redistricting is a thing. 236 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: Rod One last thing I'd like to cover with you, 237 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: and you may not have seen it, but over the weekend, 238 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: speaking of New York City and it's travails, a demonstration 239 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: made up of the red green axis, I've thrown the 240 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: blue the world government types as well, but principally communists 241 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: and Islamists or Jihadis or their sympathizers at least took 242 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: over part of the sacred ground of the nine to 243 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: eleven attack in New York City, and they did so 244 00:16:55,480 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: to insist on freeing Palestine. It seems as though it 245 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: was a foretaste of what we can expect a lot 246 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: more of if this Democratic mayoralty nominee Zoron Mamdani is 247 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: in fact elected mayor of the city. What are your 248 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 1: thoughts about the prospects for that, and particularly as our 249 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: friend Trevor Labn has suggested that this guy is going 250 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: to be building a counter state as a sort of 251 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: subversive effort given a his communist ties and be the 252 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: fact that he's a twelver for heaven's sakes, in connection 253 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 1: with his tradition of Islam. 254 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 2: Well, it's going to be like watching book three of 255 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 2: Atlas Shrugged. So on the one hand, it's just going 256 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 2: to be this horrible catastrophe, and on the other hand, 257 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 2: it's going to be an object lesson for the nation. 258 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 2: That is very much like what I was just describing 259 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 2: with Trump's takeover the police in DC. 260 00:17:58,320 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 3: As you see this. 261 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:04,959 Speaker 2: Catastrophe unfold, what we're going to necessarily see with it 262 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 2: is a lot of companies that are currently on the 263 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 2: NASDAQ and the New York Stock Exchange are going to 264 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 2: take a really hard look at the New Texas Stock 265 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 2: Exchange in Dallas. 266 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 3: You're going to see a lot. 267 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 2: Of business moving out of the city because it's just unlivable. 268 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 2: You're going to see them impoverish themselves in a way 269 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 2: that is probably enough to make a lot of people 270 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 2: in New York cry uncle. And that's exactly what Trump 271 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 2: is trying to achieve with the New York Operation. I 272 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 2: think the Democrats may achieve it for us in New York, 273 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 2: and again that could have a really positive effect on 274 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 2: a number of other Democrat cities that we think of 275 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 2: as intractable. But just look at the at the Rio 276 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 2: Grande Valley. We were losing those counties, which are overwhelmingly 277 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 2: Mexican demographically. We were losing those counties by thirty five 278 00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 2: and forty points consistently, election after election after election, and 279 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,479 Speaker 2: now Trump is winning them by really convincing margins and 280 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 2: we're electing Republican House members down there. So the Democrats 281 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 2: are vulnerable on policy when they really live out what 282 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 2: they truly believe. 283 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and exposing what they truly believe, as you say, 284 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: is a big part of educating the public about how 285 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: actually revolting it is. 286 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 3: It is. 287 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: The demographic holding up in that respect, Rod, There's people saying, 288 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: including on the left, that oh, well, they voted for Trump, 289 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: but they don't like the policies that they voted for. 290 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 2: Well, I think that's silly. There's a reason they switched 291 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 2: from Democrat. I mean, while on earth, While on Earth 292 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 2: with these people vote against Kamala Harris if they believe 293 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 2: in what she believes in. Now, these are people who 294 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 2: actually want a good economy, they want a future. Donald 295 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 2: Trump delivers. 296 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: In the process of doing so, that's for sure, Rod Martin, 297 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: thank you for delivering. As always, we always look forward 298 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: our visits. Come back again to us next week. If 299 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: you will, we'll be right back with more folks, please 300 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: say too. Welcome back, and I'm delighted to welcome once again. 301 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: Sergio de la Pegne. He is a retired air excuse me, 302 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: Army colonel. He is also a former Deputy Assistant Secretary 303 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: of Defense whose portfolio in the department was well the 304 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: Western Hemisphere, and we turn to him as often as 305 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: we can for his expertise in that matter, and there's 306 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: some developments there that we particularly anxious to catch up on. Sergio. 307 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: Welcome back. It's good to have you with us. 308 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 5: Thank you, Frank, it's a pleasure to be here and 309 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 5: with your audience. 310 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: Thank you. So top of Mind is a turn of four, 311 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: it would appear for well, those who are not radical 312 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: Marxists and other leftists in Bolivia. It's a key country 313 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons. Tell us why, and tell 314 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 1: us what's just happened there. 315 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,239 Speaker 5: So the key thing about Bolivia is that it is 316 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 5: absolutely rich and natural resources. It has lithium, it has 317 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 5: ten if you'll recall, back in Spanish days, they mined 318 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 5: gazillions of tons of silver and gold out of Bolivia, 319 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 5: and a lot of those mineral resources are still there. 320 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 5: Under Evo morales. They used all of that money, or 321 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 5: a good portion of that money for social programs and 322 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 5: did very little to improve the infrastructure. And while the 323 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 5: prices of oh I forgot my natural gas, well, well, 324 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 5: they were making a significant amount of money off of 325 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 5: natural gas, they were not putting anything into infrastructure. Even 326 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 5: with the Chinese. The Chinese would offer up certain arrangements 327 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 5: so that they could accept loans from the Chinese, and 328 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 5: they kept jacking up the requirements so that even the 329 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 5: Chinese infrastructure didn't really go in in any great amount. 330 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 5: So now what you have is a country that's seen 331 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 5: a collapse of its economy because they were focused pretty 332 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 5: much on the natural gas that they sold to the 333 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 5: neighboring countries that desperately needed. So right now, this is 334 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 5: a major shift in that you have the Moss Party 335 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 5: that Evo Morales created and controlled in a state of disarray, 336 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 5: where if you roll up the total of the Moss 337 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 5: Party today it's about twenty seven percent two conservative. Well, 338 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 5: let's let's make sure that we put it in context. 339 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 5: Two candidates, one of the right and the other of 340 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 5: the center right won the election. But you've got to 341 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 5: put it in context. If you were to look at 342 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 5: the they call him the ultra right in Latin America, 343 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 5: the ultra right candidate actually would be considered a Bill Clinton. 344 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 5: If Bill Clinton were the Conservative party, that's about what 345 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 5: you wait, it's not what we consider a party of 346 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 5: the right, so. 347 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 1: Maga or Trumpian, it's more centrist. Even so, so let 348 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: me just recap. You're talking about a radical I think 349 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: Marxist regime that squandered its resources and wealth on social 350 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: programs of various kinds, social welfare experimentation along the communist line. 351 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: And it's always happened with such experimentation in the past. 352 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: It was a disaster. So it's now facing a runoff, 353 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: as I understand it between these two right of center, 354 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 1: shall we say, candidates, What are the implications of that 355 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: one of them will win, presumably and will it change dramatically? 356 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: Do you think the sort of opportunities for a relationship 357 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: between this country and Bolivia that could benefit both. 358 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 5: I think the relationship with the United States will definitely improve. 359 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 5: To the extent that it will improve will depend on 360 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 5: what leeway the parties are going to have. The person 361 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 5: that won from the center right has a pretty good 362 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 5: toe hold in the Senate and probably will win the Congress. 363 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 5: Now that's if he wins, and it's likely that he 364 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 5: will win because the person that came in the third 365 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 5: place has already said he was going to put a 366 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 5: support behind whoever won. So you're looking at probably a 367 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 5: center right kind of coalition. But that doesn't mean that 368 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 5: the person who came in second is not going to 369 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 5: readjust his campaign. All of these people have political experience. 370 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 5: The one of they're either, but both of the top 371 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 5: two contenders are the children of former presidents, so they're 372 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 5: not they're not naive, so. 373 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 1: It's not their first rodeo, correct. 374 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 5: And then what you have is you had a fight 375 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 5: between the mass internally where you have von Morales, who 376 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 5: wanted to come back into office, and he won nineteen 377 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,719 Speaker 5: percent of what they called the Knowle vote, the Annull 378 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 5: vote was support to Evon Morales, and then the the correct. 379 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: Rule who could not run for re elections, right. 380 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 5: Correct, Well that and he's also been accused of being 381 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 5: a pediast. So there's all of that hanging. And so 382 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 5: Eva Morales and Luis I'll say, the correct President of 383 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 5: Olivia were in a horrible conflict that week in the party, 384 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 5: which also benefited the Bolivian people, and that they weren't 385 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 5: able to pull a lot of the machinations that they 386 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 5: typically pull for manipulating the elections. And if you look 387 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 5: at as He's that campaign, and you see Maludo, you 388 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 5: see Korea, former president of Ecuador, and you also see 389 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 5: Dela Russa former president of Brazil. So they had a 390 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 5: lot of backing from their buddies. But even with all that, 391 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 5: it didn't matter because right now the economy is what's 392 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 5: really driving the Bolivians to vote against the socialists. 393 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 394 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: In fact, that lends up just quickly because I want 395 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: to get your sense of what the Chinese are doing 396 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 1: more generally in the Hemisphere. You remarked that it didn't 397 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: really work out so well in Bolivia. As you know, 398 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: I'm married to a woman who hails from Peru originally, indeed, 399 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: and I'm constantly being apprised of the incredible well colonization, 400 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 1: I think is the only word for it, that is 401 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: taking place in that country at the hands of the 402 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party House service. Problem is it there and 403 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: elsewhere in the region at the moment. 404 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 5: Sir, Well, if you look at China as a commercial 405 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 5: partner and compare it with the United States, the Chinese 406 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 5: are the number one trading partner in South America. If 407 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 5: you look at Latin America as a whole and you 408 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 5: include Mexico, then the United States is the number one 409 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 5: trading partner. But remember Mexico is the United States number 410 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 5: one trading partner. So if you take out Mexico, yeah, 411 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 5: then you what you find is that China is now 412 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 5: the number one trading partner. So that'll give you an 413 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 5: idea of the influence that they have. In the case 414 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 5: of Peru. They just built a massive port in Shankai, 415 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 5: which is about seventy kilometers north of Lima, and it's 416 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 5: going to have open access to the Pacific Ocean and 417 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 5: eventually what they're going to do is connect the Atlantic 418 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 5: and Pacific through the transama Zonian Highway. So the Chinese 419 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 5: are making big inroads commercially and by extension, if you 420 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 5: put these ports in that have the ability to accept 421 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 5: large ships, by extension, you can do that with naval 422 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 5: vessels and so you have significantly more influence. And the 423 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 5: Chinese are also very good about expanding their infrastructure in 424 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 5: the IT world, So anything it has to do with communications, 425 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 5: they're going to be there, and they're one of the 426 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 5: biggest providers of infrastructure for IT throughout Latin America. 427 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of all that infrastructure and events technology, we 428 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: did a very interesting program last week at our Committee 429 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: on the Present Danger of China Sergio about China's ambitions 430 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: in space, Yes, and the extent to which they have 431 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: used the ability to allow people to have access to 432 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: space who wouldn't otherwise do to partner with, notably Venezuela, 433 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: but others in the region as well. They've they've begun 434 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: getting you know, a colonial hold on others space programs 435 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: as well. And ominously you don't look like they're busily 436 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: weaponizing space against US to boot, including the Moon Sergio. 437 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: There's also the issue of Nicholas Maduro in Venezuela, and 438 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: I saw this morning a report that the USS gerald Ford, 439 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: our newest and most modern aircraft carrier, has been dispatched 440 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: to the Caribbean, and it was characterized as kind of 441 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: a throwdown with Maduro. Do you see it that way? 442 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 5: And if so, why, Well, First of all, I speak 443 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 5: for myself and not the US government, And so President 444 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 5: Trump has already said that he's going to use military 445 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 5: forces and counter drug operations, and he's already included that 446 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 5: in an executive order. The limit of what he's going 447 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 5: to use and how he's going to use is the 448 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 5: re establishment of the terrence, which means that Maludo doesn't 449 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 5: know exactly and to what extent the President can act. 450 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 5: But if I was Maludo, I'd be really nervous when 451 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 5: somebody puts a fifty billion dollar bounty on my head 452 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 5: and Maludo then comes out and has all of his 453 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 5: leadership around him making oaths of allegiance. They're a fairly 454 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 5: solid group of people because they know if they disengage 455 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 5: from Maludo, the US could arrest them, or Maludo can 456 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 5: come after them, so they're kind of in a in 457 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 5: a pickle. But if you keep increasing pressure on Maludo, 458 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 5: there may be an opportunity for those that are against 459 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 5: him to possibly turn. So that's that's kind of as 460 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 5: that's a big lift. But you never know because we 461 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 5: didn't nobody, nobody expected the results of the Bolivia election. 462 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,959 Speaker 5: They were completely off the charts. The guy that came 463 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 5: in first place was not even considered in the top 464 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 5: four in the polls. And oh, by the way, it 465 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 5: was an election rate that participated in Bolivia. They do 466 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 5: have mandatory elections, but ninety percent is a very very 467 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 5: high rate. So there's you know with the key thing 468 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 5: that to take into consideration of Bolivia is is it's 469 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 5: an indicator of the alignment that countries are coming to 470 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 5: through logic because they realize that the communist models don't work. 471 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 5: In the Cuba's a disaster, Nikaraua is a disaster, of 472 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 5: Venezuela is a disaster, and they know that and they 473 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 5: finally are fed up in Bolivia's remember that's the country 474 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,959 Speaker 5: where Cheyevada ended his career. 475 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: Amen, much more to come on all of the Sergio, 476 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: thank you very much for joining us and for particularly 477 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: your insights into this perhaps tectonic shift taking place in Bolivia. 478 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: Will be watching holessly with your help in the days 479 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: to come. God bless you, my friend. We'll be right back. Books, 480 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: stay tuned. We're back. And so I'm delighted to say, 481 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: is Daniel Greenfield. I've come to admire most for his 482 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: well extraordinary intellect and wide ranging understanding of the challenges 483 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: of our time, and his assessments of what we best 484 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: be doing about them is also of surpassing importance. Daniel 485 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: is these days the chief executive officer of a wonderful organization, 486 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: the David Horowitz Freedom Center. He is the author of 487 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: a number of books, including most recently, Domestic Enemies, The 488 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: Founding Father's Fight against the Left. We're going to talk 489 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: with him about the Left and our times fight against it. 490 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: We benefit from his writings, notably at Front Page Magazine, 491 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: as well as his contributions to our Victory Coalition, among 492 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: many other combined arms efforts. Welcome back, Daniel. It's great 493 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: to have you with us. 494 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 6: As always, it tanana to be part of this great conversation. 495 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: Thank you. I'd like to start the conversation with a 496 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,959 Speaker 1: topic that we touched on earlier in the program with 497 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: another of our free range intellects, that would be Rod Marton, 498 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: namely the demonstration. I guess one would call it a 499 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: mob action. One might, though I think it was not 500 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: violent exactly, but nonetheless very much in our faces, with 501 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: the hard left and the well the supporters of Sharia 502 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: supremacism joining forces as they have often done of late, 503 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:21,720 Speaker 1: on the sacred ground of the nine to eleven ground 504 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: zero area. The question that I guess I wanted to 505 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 1: ask you about, Daniel, was, is this in fact a 506 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: foretaste of the kind of things we're going to be 507 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: witnessing a lot more of if this fellow by the 508 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: name of Zoran Mandani has his way and becomes the 509 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: mayor of the City of New York. 510 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 4: There's no question about it. Now. Some may recall the 511 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 4: Ground Zero Mosque, and we're. 512 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 6: Told over and over again that the location of the 513 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 6: mosque was a complete coincidence, that there were just even 514 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 6: though there was no Muslim community in the area, there 515 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 6: was a need to set up this mosque there. We now, 516 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 6: of course, see that this is a lie. We've now 517 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 6: seen several pro hamas, rallies, riots, whatever you want to 518 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 6: call them specifically targeting the area of Ground Zero, specifically 519 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 6: targeting this location was the epicenter of the Islamic attack 520 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 6: on the United States. It's not a coincidence. There is 521 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 6: nothing coincidental about it. They are specifically going here to 522 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 6: show off their triumph, their victory, their hatred for America 523 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 6: and Mondanie obviously taking power becoming the mayor of New 524 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 6: York City would be their ultimate victory. Within a generation, 525 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 6: they've gone from carrying out an attack from the outside 526 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,839 Speaker 6: to carrying out an attack from the inside. And when 527 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 6: you think about the nature of the Left, the Red 528 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 6: part of the Red Green Alliance, this is really crucial 529 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 6: because the Left went from attacking from the outside, carrying 530 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 6: out terrorist attacks in the United States, particularly in the 531 00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 6: twentieth century through the sixties and the seventies, then actually 532 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 6: taking power from the inside. And the Green part, the 533 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 6: Islamist part of the Red Queen Alliance, is expecting to 534 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 6: travel this same path that the Red part of the 535 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 6: Alliance did, from attacking from the outside to taking power. 536 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 4: From the inside. 537 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,479 Speaker 6: And the symbolism here is really important because you're talking 538 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 6: about Ground Zero, it's pretty close to New York City 539 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,919 Speaker 6: Hall the epicenter of power after nine one one, after 540 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 6: the wil Trip Center bombing, they now expect to be 541 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 6: able to cease power from within and to license violence 542 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 6: like this because there was a time that such attacks would. 543 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 4: Not have been tolerated. 544 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 6: The fact that they were shows the power of Islam 545 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 6: and of the left, the Redween Alliance over New York City. 546 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: And that's what I wanted to ask you about. I know, 547 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: is it's certainly the case, as you've indicated, that both 548 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: of these wings, if you will, of that alliance have 549 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: made a similar progression. What if the well, I guess 550 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: the the strategic import of them joining forces as they 551 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:11,879 Speaker 1: obviously are doing now and as is really personified in 552 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,240 Speaker 1: this character ma'm. 553 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 6: Donni Mamdani is probably the most notable figure, but he's 554 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 6: far from the only one. Islamist politicians have very effectively 555 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 6: been rising through the ranks. They now occupy significant portions 556 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:32,800 Speaker 6: of legislative seats. Care a number of others. Swamist groups 557 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 6: have been specifically spending a goody of money. They've been 558 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 6: setting up lobbies not just to lobby leftist politicians, but 559 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 6: to specifically use the power of their alliance when their 560 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 6: place in this alliance, the Red Green Alliance, to specifically 561 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,839 Speaker 6: move politicians to power, which is why you now have 562 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 6: Islamist politicians in office locally, statewide, pretty much across the 563 00:37:54,000 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 6: country Texas, Delaware, Rhode Island, California, even in the bother 564 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 6: mentioning places like Michigan, if you can think of a 565 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 6: place there, politicians are occupying significant portions of state wide offices. 566 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 6: They now make up ten percent of the Democratic delegation 567 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,439 Speaker 6: in the Georgia State Senate, for example, places you would 568 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 6: not at all expect. So Mamdani is just really part 569 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,319 Speaker 6: of a rising wave, and unless there's actually a significant 570 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 6: efforts made to reverse that wave, we are going to 571 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 6: be looking at the similar situation that the Europeans are 572 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 6: are you look at the UK, you have multiple British 573 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 6: cities now with Muslim mayers who are not don't just 574 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 6: happen to be Muslim, They're pursuing Islamist agendas, agendas that 575 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 6: are fundamentally hostile to Western civilization. 576 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right about this, and it should be considered 577 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: to be a wake up call for us all that 578 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: this may be playing out in New York City in 579 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 1: this very, very way. Let me ask you about the right. 580 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 1: There's an important piece in the Journal on the eighth 581 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,839 Speaker 1: of this month by Andrew Roberts, member of the House 582 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: of Lords in Britain and a biographer of Winston Churchill, 583 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: and he's examining why it is that people on the 584 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: what he calls the far right, like Tucker Carlson, for example, 585 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: have become so stridently critical of Winston Churchill. And how this, 586 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 1: you know, seems to tie into the sentiment of many 587 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:43,240 Speaker 1: on the left. Is it a symptom of a larger problem, 588 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: would you say, and if so, how would you characterize 589 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:52,359 Speaker 1: the problem? Certainly right to ask your indulgence, I've asked 590 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: you a question without giving you time to answer it. 591 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: We'll do it on the other side of a short break. 592 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with the great Daniel Greenfield. Stay tuned, 593 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 1: welcome back, and my apologies. I asked a question about 594 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 1: the right, and very very distressing, I think it must 595 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: be said. Article that was written by Andrew Roberts about 596 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: the degree to which people he describes as on the 597 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 1: far right in this country are now very very aggressively 598 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 1: hostile to Winston Churchill, blaming him, among other things, for 599 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,320 Speaker 1: World War Two. As best I can tell you've studied 600 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: not just the left, but of course what's going on 601 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 1: in our country. More broadly, what do you make of 602 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:11,360 Speaker 1: Willtalker Carlson's well progression, shall we say? Among others? 603 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 6: There are two groups of people who tend to use 604 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 6: the term right, and that's the left, and it's European 605 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 6: fascists and the European fascists and the people who support 606 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 6: them love the idea of grouping American conservatives who with 607 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,360 Speaker 6: their movement, and their movement is not American. 608 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:31,360 Speaker 4: It's anti American. 609 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 6: And when I say it's anti American, they mean it's 610 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 6: fundamentally anti constitution. Who rejects the founding fathers, who rejects 611 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 6: the framers of the Constitution, It rejects the basic premises 612 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 6: of America. It's a hostile to those basic premises, as 613 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 6: anybody on the left is, and actually have a lot 614 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 6: in common with the left, which is why some people 615 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,319 Speaker 6: have taken to using the term woke right, because it 616 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:58,800 Speaker 6: captures it better. These people really are admirers of European fascism. 617 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 6: It's important to remember that European fascists were influenced by 618 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:03,840 Speaker 6: marxistm were influenced by the left. 619 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,359 Speaker 4: Most of their ideas really come out of the left. 620 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,920 Speaker 6: They just give them a nationalist claus They make it 621 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:14,400 Speaker 6: seem like it's nationalist, but in practice it's Marxism. You know, 622 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 6: the Nazis were the national socialists. You can focus on 623 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 6: the national part, but really the key part is the 624 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 6: socialist part. And there are people, definitely who people who 625 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,799 Speaker 6: used to be conservatives who have decided to throw in 626 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 6: with this philosophy. This philosophy right now manifests itself in 627 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 6: various kinds of rhetoric. Right now, they're attacking Churchill, they're 628 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,239 Speaker 6: attacking Israel. But their basic idea, if you actually ask them, 629 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 6: if they honestly reply, and those who are honest to reply, 630 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,800 Speaker 6: they reject the United States Constitution, They reject the American experiment, 631 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,680 Speaker 6: They reject pretty much everything about America. 632 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: Wow, and you would put Tucker Carlson in that category. 633 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 6: Tucker Calson is a guy who has reinvented himself over 634 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 6: and over again. 635 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 4: Like how a lot of people in the media do 636 00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:58,720 Speaker 4: you know when. 637 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,840 Speaker 6: You talk about Tacker Carlson, the people have this image 638 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 6: of Tucker Calls. And I've been on the Taker Show 639 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 6: a bunch of times you know, they have this image 640 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,920 Speaker 6: of the Tucker Calson who manifested himself kind of with Trump. 641 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 6: But there's also the Tucker Calson who was vehemently anti Trump. 642 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 6: We've seen this in this tech messages. There's a Tucker 643 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 6: Calson who was a good friend of Hunter Biden, was 644 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 6: doing favors for Hunter Biden and asking favors for Hunter Biden. 645 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 4: There is a Tucker Callson who. 646 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 6: Early on in the pandemic bracked the media about how 647 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,239 Speaker 6: he went to Trump and insisted that Trump take the 648 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 6: pandemic very seriously and start doing the lockdowns and the 649 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 6: crackdowns and all. 650 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:32,000 Speaker 4: The other stuff. 651 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 6: Before of course we saw the Tucker caution who was 652 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 6: attacking this whole thing. So Talker, like a lot of 653 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 6: people in the media, is very opportunistic. It's a question 654 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 6: of who exactly is paying him. And that's true of 655 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 6: a lot of people, a lot of people who are 656 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,439 Speaker 6: so called influencers. You know, when you have people who 657 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 6: don't have consistent views, who are for something and then 658 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,840 Speaker 6: against something, and they never actually come out and say, well, 659 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,640 Speaker 6: I reevaluated something. 660 00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 4: You know, I saw the Iraq war. 661 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 6: Did not go well, or I saw that some of 662 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 6: these policies did not go well, and I changed my mind. 663 00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:03,959 Speaker 6: I you know, in this year, I was panicked about 664 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,480 Speaker 6: the pandemic. Then I changed my mind. Well, they never 665 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,319 Speaker 6: actually admit this. There are fund these people are fundamentally dishonest, 666 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,319 Speaker 6: and you have to be skeptical of anything that they 667 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,000 Speaker 6: do and say. 668 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 1: His stridency on Israel is particularly noteworthy. He's not alone 669 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,720 Speaker 1: in that at the moment. But there is a concerted effort, 670 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,479 Speaker 1: as you know very well, Daniel, to cast as true 671 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:35,200 Speaker 1: Maga a venomous hatred for the Jews, I think, or 672 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 1: at least Israel. And though he professes, you know, to 673 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,840 Speaker 1: love Israel, it comes across as a sort of a 674 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 1: relentless attack. You've suggested that, you know, that may have 675 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 1: something to do with being compensated to take such a position. 676 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,920 Speaker 1: Is that, in fact what you think is going on 677 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,040 Speaker 1: here from Cutter or who knows where? 678 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 6: I think it's not terribly so because a part even 679 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 6: before he began attacking as well, Tucker Colson went to 680 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 6: all these wealthy Muslim Gulf countries like the Uee, like Guitar, 681 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 6: like Saudi Ay. 682 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,080 Speaker 4: But he went around there. 683 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,720 Speaker 6: He attended their major conferences, he had these very funny 684 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,400 Speaker 6: interviews with their leaders in which he praised them as 685 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 6: the greatest thing since sliced bread. 686 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,080 Speaker 4: Nothing about that as. 687 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,640 Speaker 6: America first, it's pretty clear that he's got some sort 688 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,359 Speaker 6: of financial interests involved there, because you know the guy 689 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,960 Speaker 6: I knew, you know, the old Tucker Colson would not 690 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:37,840 Speaker 6: have gone around frankly kissing the rear ends of these 691 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,560 Speaker 6: backward national leaders. I mean, why would you do that 692 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,560 Speaker 6: unless you're specifically being paid to do it. 693 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it certainly is the explanation that I think 694 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,239 Speaker 1: best fits the available facts. You don't need to know more. 695 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 1: Let me ask you about one other development. You wrote 696 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,480 Speaker 1: about a woman by the name of Ida Awkin Dane 697 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,880 Speaker 1: as I understand, a politician who is credited with coming 698 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,920 Speaker 1: up with the phrase you will own nothing and be happy, 699 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:16,759 Speaker 1: a sort of classic elitist World Economic Forum stuff. The 700 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:24,120 Speaker 1: World Forum has just had an well, rather awkward transition 701 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:29,360 Speaker 1: from the tyranny of Klaus Schwab to what I suspect 702 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,120 Speaker 1: will be the tyranny of Larry Fink. What do you 703 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,000 Speaker 1: make of all of this and what side is backstories 704 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:36,719 Speaker 1: or well? 705 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,560 Speaker 6: The video of her idea making started making the rounds 706 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,520 Speaker 6: we're talking about how you know you don't actually have 707 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,799 Speaker 6: to own anything. And the video is a bit old 708 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,480 Speaker 6: by now I should note this as a woman who 709 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,360 Speaker 6: is a member of the Danish Parliament. But you know, 710 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,439 Speaker 6: looking at her Instagram, looking at her life, she owns 711 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,239 Speaker 6: quite a bit. She enjoys very nice trips to ski resorts, 712 00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,440 Speaker 6: to other places across Europe. 713 00:46:58,440 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 4: You know, she loves a very nice life. 714 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,399 Speaker 6: Their academic husband, these people obviously make plenty of money. 715 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,600 Speaker 6: They dress very nicely, they have a lot of things. 716 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,839 Speaker 6: They don't actually believe that they shouldn't have things. They 717 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,240 Speaker 6: don't believe that they should own nothing. They believe you should. 718 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,320 Speaker 4: Own nothing, and that's a given. 719 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,640 Speaker 6: As for claud Schwad, this is a guy who's at 720 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,520 Speaker 6: this point quite outdly and leaving under a cloud of scandal. 721 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,720 Speaker 6: They're trying to avoid having those discussions about financial improprieties, 722 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:26,080 Speaker 6: about potentially sexual improprieties. And what I think is, you know, 723 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,480 Speaker 6: absolutely an idiot for stepping on board something that is 724 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:30,640 Speaker 6: now a sinking ship. 725 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,640 Speaker 4: Because all this was very part of. 726 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,120 Speaker 6: A past trend they called where the pre Trump world 727 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,560 Speaker 6: and the world economic form was very much a pre 728 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:38,160 Speaker 6: Trump world. 729 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,400 Speaker 4: There was a world where all these. 730 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,759 Speaker 6: Companies and all these politicians were trooped down to hear 731 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,040 Speaker 6: the received wisdom. It was very much also part of 732 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,960 Speaker 6: the Sabama world. And that world is now very much faded, 733 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,719 Speaker 6: it's dying out, and the declient and fall the World 734 00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,160 Speaker 6: Economic Forum really is a symptom of that. It's the 735 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 6: pre Trump world. We're now entering the Trump world, and 736 00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,600 Speaker 6: that's going to be a very different place, one where 737 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:00,400 Speaker 6: the economic one. 738 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,719 Speaker 1: Must they say, from your lips to God's ear, Staniel Greenfield, 739 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,279 Speaker 1: thank you for joining us. Come back with more as 740 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,440 Speaker 1: soon as possible. Hope the rest of you will come 741 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,480 Speaker 1: back next time, until then which you'll go forth and 742 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:11,000 Speaker 1: multiply