1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: So weird story about this week's classic episode. I think 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: I spent the entire episode trying to shoehorn in the 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: fact that some lizards have something like a third eye. 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: It's it's on there for it, it's sensitive delight, and 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: it's into It didn't fit in this episode. It's entirely because, Uh, 6 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: this episode in a way is about a third eye, right. Yeah, 7 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: and interestingly enough, it has to do with light sensing 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: cells that could be in your forehead. That is weird, 9 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: just like those lizards been talking about, and what what if? 10 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: That is very very special to humans and anything with 11 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: a consciousness. Yeah, and it turns out your third eye 12 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: is actually a gland, so chew on that for a while. 13 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: This is a trippy one. We can't wait. We can't 14 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: wait to hear what you think of it. This is 15 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: one of the classic ones where we dove into some 16 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: deep water pretty quickly. So let us know what you think. 17 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: From UFOs two, Ghosts and government cover ups. History is 18 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 19 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Breetings, 20 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt and 21 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: I am Ben is the tiny pine cone shaped gland 22 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: in the middle of your head, a gateway to alternate realities, 23 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: perhaps to an inner spiritual place. Or is it just 24 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: your body's ingenious way of manufacturing your sleep cycle and 25 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: monitoring it, or maybe is it something in between that's 26 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: today on stuff they don't want you to know. I 27 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: like that intro quite a bit that that's exactly what 28 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: we're talking about. We're talking about the pineal gland. And 29 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: to follow up then, I guess one thing that we 30 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: could say is that it's totally understandable that people would 31 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: think of it as a third eye. You and I 32 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: recently did a couple of videos on the pineal gland, 33 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: something we had returned to remember very early in our days. 34 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: We did a fluoride episode, yes, and the paneole gland 35 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: was right at the center of that episode. And the 36 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: pineal gland is, as you said, a pine cone shaped organ. 37 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: It swings above its weight class in terms of performance 38 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: in the body and the brain, because it produces two 39 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: very important hormones, uh, serotonin and melatonin. And I think 40 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: we say in the video that melanin and melatonin are 41 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: very different, So don't get him mixed up. Oh yeah, 42 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with the pigmentation on your skin. 43 00:02:55,480 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: It's just it's the melotonin is the thing that doesn't 44 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: it get your body into a sleep state or or 45 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: it coaxes your body towards a sleep state. Yeah, it 46 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: tells your body naptime is essentially what it does. And 47 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: one thing that really interested you and me about this 48 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: is that the pineal gland, even though it's inside the brain, 49 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: is actually able to sense and react to light. Yeah, 50 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: it's an it's an iPhone. It's not an old flip phone. 51 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: It's got some new features. Yeah, but they're actually really 52 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: old features. They're just upgrades, I guess. Yeah, that's really well, 53 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: you know, that is a way to say it, because 54 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: we do know that some animals uh have have a 55 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: similar thing that we should differentiate. Now, there's the parietal eye, 56 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: which you also hear called the third eye. It's associated 57 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: with the pineal gland, and it's present in some animal species, 58 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: like there's a there're reptiles of uh well developed third eyes, lizards, frogs, 59 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: you can see pictures of amphibians that have a lot 60 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: of frogs that have a bridal eye, and it's kind 61 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: of weird looking, just looks like a tiny little dot 62 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: in the middle of their their what would be their 63 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: foreheads also able to sense light, and we talked about 64 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: we talked about how for thousands of years, very smart 65 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: people have been breaking their heads against the wall to 66 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: figure out what the panel Glant is, right, Yeah, yeah, 67 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: it's well, it's a fascinating thing. We're always looking for 68 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: that that exit into the other realities. UM, I don't know, 69 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: it seems it seems like it could be a key. 70 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: It could be, but there are no definitive answers yet. 71 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: There's a lot of research going into it, but I 72 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: don't know what we'll have to find out. But let's 73 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: explore what we know. Okay. Well, yeah, so we know 74 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: that it's, as we said, it's pretty small in adult humans. 75 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,239 Speaker 1: It's a little under a centimeter in length or point 76 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: three inches. Uh. It weighs about point one grams. So 77 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: it's not it's not something that you would immediately notice 78 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: if you happen to be um opening up someone's head 79 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: for the first time and digging around. Uh, you know, 80 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: just in case you're doing that now and you're like, guys, 81 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: where's the pineal gland? I'm in a hurry. Um, we'll 82 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: go towards the center and look for that little it's 83 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: like I've heard I've heard it say it's the size 84 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: of a grain of rice, but it's a little bigger 85 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: than that. But still it's it seems rather insignificant when 86 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: you are looking at the structure of the brain. So 87 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: we do know that the pineal gland is an indocrine 88 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: gland or an endocrine oregon, but we also know that 89 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: it's pretty enigmatic. It's kind of a shady neighborhood of 90 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: your brain because it is associated with a lot of 91 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: mental funk sans that modern science still does not understand. 92 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: One of those big ones would be sleep, you know, 93 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: like it's it's um. A lot of different neurological factors 94 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: are involved in sleep, and physical factors as well. But 95 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: if we think of sleep as like the the heist 96 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: or the object of a heist film, then the paneel 97 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: gland is totally in that Ocean's eleven crew, like it's 98 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: it's a key player. Got a little too far down 99 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: the street for that. Well, yeah, I was thinking about 100 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: sleep as one of the main mysteries here, just sleep 101 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: in general, and why animals need this RESTful cycle and 102 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: there's a ton of research going into this and and 103 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: just what the heck is it? Why do we need 104 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: it to happen? And it turns out, at least from 105 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: some of the current research, that sleep is highly important 106 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: for a brain's functioning because it is it's it's essentially 107 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: strengthening and the connections that you made throughout the day, 108 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: kind of organizing the information that you took in creating 109 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: or I guess, strengthening the memories that you've created in 110 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: that day. And it's really strange the way your brain 111 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: then connects new ideas up to the established ideas that 112 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: you already have. It's freaking fascinating and it really reminds 113 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: me of defragging a hard drive, making sure all of 114 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: the all of the bits and data are put together 115 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: in the right place. And I think that's a fantastic 116 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: point that we should consider there with with sleep, because 117 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: everything you said is true. It's absolutely true that we 118 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: have some very good guesses. Um. I I also tend 119 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: to believe the memory encoding part um, but we don't 120 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: know entirely what sleep does like completely. I think that 121 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: the memory encoding part especially with that comparison of defragging 122 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: a hard drive is absolutely spot on. We know that 123 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: we know that the need for sleep varies according to age, 124 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: Like very young babies will sleep in around twenty hours 125 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: every twenty four hours, which has got to be refreshing 126 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: to a lot of parents, right. And we know that 127 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: as people age, they get into this period where they're 128 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: somewhere between seven and nine or six and nine. And 129 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:33,599 Speaker 1: then as you um become older and I mean like elderly, 130 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: not late middle age, but as you become a an 131 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: elderly person, then you can often sleep less and less. 132 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: So we know that without melatonin, sleep is a very 133 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: difficult process. We know that sleep is also a way 134 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: that our body can rest itself because you know, if 135 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: you think about it, you know, and I have talked 136 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: about this before. Man, if you think about it, sleep 137 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: is just to me phenomenally irritating. I hate sleep that 138 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: you that you have to get. Yes, I'm beholden to 139 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: this bag of humanity that I'm I'm currently residing in. 140 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: I guess, uh, you know how strange is it if 141 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: you have to explain sleep to an alien species. You're 142 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: so tired of this. H You've heard it all right, 143 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: So here you go while you meet some aliens, Uh, 144 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: take me or leader or whatnot, and then uh, you 145 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: take them to your leader. But the leader has to 146 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: go to sleep, right, And so the aliens say what's 147 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: going on? And you say, oh, well, here on earth, Um, 148 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: you know, we're pretty normal. Every every couple of hours 149 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: or so, Uh, we just lose consciousness, lose control of 150 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: our body, and we vividly hallucinate. And then sometimes we 151 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 1: wake up. We don't know what really happened. Got to 152 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: get some coffee and then just start the process over again. Yeah, 153 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: and then we have you know, another set of hours 154 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: before the hallucinations begin. And uh, it's strange, but it is. 155 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: It is true that sleep is necessary, like just for 156 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: a quick sidebar. Um. You know we've talked about the 157 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: DARPA research another like the Uberman sleep cycle. Um, what's 158 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: your take on that stuff? The Uberman sleep cycle? Oh man, Okay, 159 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: so I have not attempted to change my sleep cycle up. Well, okay, 160 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: I have not been successful in any attempts to change 161 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: my sleep cycle. I I did try it one time 162 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: after you and I spoke. Actually, uh, and I don't 163 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: know it just I couldn't get my body too. I 164 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: couldn't get my mind and my body to sync up, 165 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 1: and I would I'd just be groggy all the time. 166 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 1: And in theory, when you change your sleep cycle into 167 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: the uber what is it called uberman, I think it's 168 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: suberman uberman. Uh. That's when you take you take like 169 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: twenty minute naps at certain times during the day and 170 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: then another one fairly long sleep cycle or I don't 171 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: know exactly. I know there are different iterations, right, yeah, 172 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: but yeah, I tried the one where you just sleep 173 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 1: for twenty minutes. Then you're up for two three hours 174 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: and you sleep for twenty minutes. That's hardcore, Matt. Yeah, 175 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: that that didn't work out so well that my wife 176 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: got a little set with me that I I'm glad 177 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: you made it because that seems really difficult. That was 178 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 1: one that was really difficult for me to try for 179 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: a very long time. I did two four hour cycles, okay, um, 180 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 1: which is sort of the beginner of the uberman. So 181 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: I jumped into defend I shouldn't have done that. That 182 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 1: was my fault, to be fair. Dark Souls came out 183 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: and I really wanted to play it for as many 184 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: hours as I could. Oh weird, you were in a nightmare. 185 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: Space was intense between waking in reality and um, your 186 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: paneel gland, with sensing light at various times that it 187 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: may not have been used to, is probably scrambling to 188 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 1: adjust to this as well. Right, your circadian rhythm felt 189 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: a little off. It was haywire to be sure. Thank 190 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: you for bringing us back by the way, No, no, no, 191 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: this is This is a good question though, because what 192 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: if what if we were in those situations and our 193 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: panel glands were damaged. We know that one thing that 194 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: could happen, at least in kids is that if a 195 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: kid's pineal gland is damage, whether through cancer or an 196 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: injury of some sort, then they're going to tend to 197 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: enter puberty earlier. Really, yes, really, because the pineal gland 198 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 1: appears to play a major role in sexual development as 199 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: well also a hibernation. If if you're someone who says 200 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: the uberman sleep cycles the opposite direction where I want 201 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: to go on a lump some all my sleep over winter, jeez, yeah, 202 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: give me four weeks please, thanks. Wow, that would be weird. 203 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: Would you do that? Oh? I don't think so. I 204 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: don't think I can handle it. I if there were 205 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: a scientific way to sort of make a lump sleep payment. 206 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: Then I would do it. Oh, that's fantastic. I don't know, 207 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 1: I I they'd have to put some sort of limit 208 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: on how long you could do it or else. You 209 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: have people ripped vam winkling like seven years of sleep. Well, yeah, 210 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: and if you have any kind of responsibilities in your 211 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: life whatsoever, you just can't do it. There's no way 212 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: that's right. Sorry, kids, I'm gonna be gone for four 213 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: months and then I'll have my eye on you all 214 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: the time. That's pretty messed up. Just stock a bunch 215 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: of pop tarts up, leave the kids on their own. 216 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: We also know that the pineal gland can uh, there's 217 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: some pretty strong evidence that the pineal gland can influence 218 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: the action of some drugs like antidepressants and Tony Montana's 219 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: favorite cocaine. So this brings us to um, let's see, 220 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: that's all I've got about what we know the panel 221 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: gland does. And there's a lot of other stuff too. Okay, yeah, 222 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: that so the big thing the takeaway here is neo 223 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: gland helps regulate regulate sleep, and it's important. It's really 224 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: important for that because sleep, as we found out, if 225 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: you don't get enough sleep. There are some crazy things 226 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: that can go on inside your brain. There's some neurological 227 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: problems that you can find um just from the effects 228 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: of insomnia. So it's important, it's crucial. We've established this. 229 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: Now let's get a little crazy. Ben, absolutely, Matt, let's 230 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: get crazy with it all right before we jump in 231 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: head first to all of the interesting fringe idea surrounding 232 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: the panel. Gland, I think it's time for a word 233 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: from our sponsor. What about you? Wow? I mean, I 234 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: keep forgetting that we even have sponsors. I'm just grateful 235 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: that someone's willing to help us make this show. Yeah, 236 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: it's kind of weird sometimes that they're all subsidiaries of 237 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: the same company, But I man, I don't care as 238 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: long as that money is coming in. Well, hello there, sir, 239 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: you seem a little bit unfocused. Yeah, I have don't 240 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: have a hard time. When I watch TV and have 241 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: my phone out, I can only see one at a time. 242 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: It's weird. Ah, Yes, No, that's a common problem into 243 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: day's society, with so many devices and so much content 244 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: to consume. Two eyes just won't cut it. You, my friends, 245 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: may be suffering from third eye myopia. Third I what 246 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: third eye myopia? Why? It's a common problem both in 247 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: the Upanishad and numerous other religious text You see, your 248 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: third eye, which can access all sorts of spiritual planes, 249 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: is often not being used to its fullest extent in 250 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: the modern day, which is of course, to allow you 251 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: to watch television or read your iPad while reading a 252 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: book or watching your kids. Oh that's just my dream 253 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: man's that's everything I've ever wanted. Well, then we have 254 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: just the deal for you, sir. May I introduce you 255 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: to third eye glasses. Oh they're so shiny. And what's 256 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: this thing in the center? What a great question that 257 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: we will answer when the litigation which is ongoing has 258 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: been concluded. Yes, third eye glasses. They will allow you 259 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: to channel the rather useless connection with a higher plane 260 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: of truth into something that matters to you, like mcgiver 261 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: rewriting Mr. Belvedere Marathon. Because it has saved by the bell, 262 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: of course, it has saved by the bell that it 263 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: comes free with purchase and for just a nominal limited 264 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: fee per month you can access thousands of other eighties 265 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: sitcoms and nineties sitcoms. So well, thank you, sir. Yes, 266 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: another satisfied customer for third eye glasses. Uh, please consult 267 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 1: your doctor and cable provider before making the purchase. The 268 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: makers of their red glasses are not responsible for reverse osmosis, 269 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: myopia use a bifocal shattered lenses line to children kicking puppies, 270 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: misapprehending police forces, ongoing litigation in foreign countries, myopia, dystopia, dyslexia, interrexia, 271 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,239 Speaker 1: misapprehending the path of a boomerangu. Original cartoon idea cd 272 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: M t overdoses peneo gland deposits, florida decreation, calcium a creation, 273 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 1: and potassium phobia or magnesium in all of its forms. 274 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: The third classes are Division of Elimination Global Limited. Wow. 275 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: I didn't even know those glasses existed. Again, I'm just 276 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: glad that we have a sponsor, So yeah, I had. 277 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: I had not heard that ad before. That's an interesting one. 278 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: Did you catch the last part, the little legal LEAs 279 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: that they spent up at the end there? Oh, come on, man, 280 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: every everything has something like that. I'm sure like the 281 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: slinky had some pretty extensive one. I heard something about boomerangs, 282 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: but I don't know boomerangs. Maybe there was something in 283 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: there about boomerangs. I'll listen to it again. But if 284 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: it isn't there, I'm sure there's a reason there could be. 285 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: Nothing to fari us with illumination Global unlimited. That's that's 286 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: fine right now. And according to us statistic that I 287 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: made up just now, um, literally tens of dozens of 288 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: people may have died due to boomerangs. That's pretty grim. 289 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: But that was a little bit weird, and it's a 290 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: good segue to talk about some of the things that 291 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: are more odd or controversial about the pineal glands because Matt, 292 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: as we said, people around the world do and have 293 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: believe for some time that it's a seat of spirituality. 294 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: But there's something else there too. Uh, there's the belief 295 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: that fluoride can accumulate in the pineal gland and cripple 296 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: its function, right, can calcify it? This is this is 297 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: really interesting to me. This is one of the first 298 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: things that we ever covered as a show. I think 299 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: it was episode six five or six or something, where 300 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: we discussed fluoridation of water, specifically in the United States, 301 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: and uh, the legal battles that were going on in 302 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: order to make that happen. What kind of fluoride is 303 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: actually going into the water because as a lot of 304 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: people are unaware, there are multiple types of fluoride. I 305 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: went to the dentist just the other day and I 306 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: was looking through some of their coal gate, the bottles 307 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: of coal gate that they give away for free when 308 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: you go and see the dentist, and one of them 309 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: had or there. I looked at three separate ones, and 310 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: all three had different types of fluoride. Only one of 311 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: them used sodium fluoride um. One of them was monofloor 312 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: monofluoro phosphate or something like that, and then there was 313 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: another one. But anyway, it was just it was fascinating 314 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: to me to see even now fluoride products or have 315 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: varying different types of fluoride in them, right, Yeah, and 316 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: for most I would say, it's fair to say that 317 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: from most consumers, at least in the United States, when 318 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: you think of fluoride, you think of just one thing. 319 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: Sodium fluoride is what is the common one, right, the 320 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,239 Speaker 1: clinical grade or whatever it's called. But we also know 321 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: that in fluoridated water systems there is a different type 322 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: of fluoride involved in there, and a lot of times 323 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a what do we what do 324 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: we call it? It's a byproduct of factories sometimes of 325 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: different processes. Yeah, opponents of fluoridation have a couple of 326 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: a couple of things that that I would say, our 327 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 1: bones to pick about the production of fluoride itself. They 328 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: kind of splin the water supply, and that's stuff from 329 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: the phosphate industry, or during the early days of atomic 330 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: bomb construction, uh, the radioactive materials the manufacturing process resulted 331 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: in fluoride as a byproduct. So the question then became, 332 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: was this actually good for the human population to put 333 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: it in the water or was it instead sort of 334 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: a a ploy by an industry or by government in 335 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:24,239 Speaker 1: order to repress knowledge of building these atomic weapons, or uh, 336 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: just to circumvent e p A regulations that otherwise would 337 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: have been quite expensive. Yeah. Rather than having to pay 338 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: to have these chemicals disposed of somewhere, why not let's 339 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: get paid to put it into the water source as 340 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: a benefit. I really don't know how I feel about 341 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: this subject, Ben, because when we were even then back 342 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: in the day, when we were going over this stuff, 343 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: it was very difficult, or at least I found it 344 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: difficult to find unbiased sources uh, for for really anything 345 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: about this subject. Uh really, what is it for? An 346 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: Action Network was one of the places we found, and 347 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: I mean that's just obviously against it. I don't know 348 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: where that money is coming from to fund that thing 349 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, they're against floridation there. Fluoride Action Network 350 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: does sound like a dynamic name that could go either way, 351 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: but they're definitely against fluoridation in the water system, primarily because, 352 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: according to them, there are numerous health concerns that aren't addressed. 353 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: They're not talking so much about UM specifically panel gland 354 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: damage in a spiritual sense, which we will find in 355 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: some conspiracy theories, but they're talking more about possible developmental damage. 356 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: And one of the one of the biggest arguments there 357 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: is that there we the average public person doesn't know 358 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: where this floriade is coming from. And secondly that there 359 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: are not enough cohesive studies on the events. And I 360 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: love that you said it was difficult to find um 361 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 1: unbiased sources because this is an incredibly contentious subject, so 362 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: much so that you and I are probably getting hate 363 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 1: mail from people on both sides of the argument just 364 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: by bringing it up, which really says something. And people 365 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 1: who consider themselves. Skeptics or debunkers will argue that the 366 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: that this is all alarmism right there, sensationalism, and that 367 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: fluoride in the water itself is a benefit, as the 368 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:36,719 Speaker 1: American Dental Association argues, because it lessens the um was it, 369 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: it lessens the development of cavities or the development of 370 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 1: tooth decay um. And usually when people say this, they're 371 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: very angry about it. And I'm not I'm not sure 372 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: why they're so very angry about it, but boy they 373 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: are steamed. And this of course happens on the other 374 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: side as well. My primary issue as an individual only 375 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: with fluoridation is at with it in regardless of what 376 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: the PPM or part pavilion is UM, it's very difficult 377 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: to control a dose. If it is something like if 378 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: we consider this like a medicine, right or a health benefit, 379 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 1: then it's very difficult to say, uh, you know, you 380 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: can only have this much in your system at any 381 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: given time. And you add to that toothpaste. A lot 382 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: of people who have brown stains on their teeth, and 383 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: you know, they don't drink coffee or tea, and they 384 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: don't smoke cigarettes or something else. What they end up 385 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: doing is getting these brown stains from a condition called fluorosis, 386 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: which happens because of you. Sorry, yeah you think it's 387 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: the opposite, but too much floride discolors your teeth. Well 388 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: I okay, So the biggest thing that we couldn't find 389 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: is a sign entific study that shows the calcification or 390 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: the panel the fluoride build up inside the pineal gland. 391 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: At least, I was completely unable to find anything a 392 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: scientific study on this where it's repeatable, and that to me, 393 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: right there is kind of a red flag. Um, yeah, 394 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: there is. That's that's at least not in humans, I 395 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 1: should say, Ah, yeah, okay, that's a good point. We 396 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: have seen some studies that have linked the accumulation of 397 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: fluoride but also of calcium with age. And there's one 398 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: study that's often um it's often posted, I believe by 399 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 1: an author named Jennifer Luke, and in this study she 400 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: linked fluoride accumulation in the pineal gland. But she did 401 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: it by looking at the eleven cadavers and they were elderly, 402 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: So there's not there's not a long term study of 403 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: a person's brain, which to be pretty expensive. Here well, 404 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 1: and here's the thing, how do you even do that? Are? 405 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: I guess it's just m R I after m R 406 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: I or UM. I don't even know if that would 407 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 1: be the correct thing to use, but just studying someone's 408 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: brain for the entirety of their life, and you'd have 409 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: to do it on numerous people, right, Yeah, exactly. So 410 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: I've got a little bit about Dr Luke's research. UM. 411 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: This is written by a professor named Paul Kannit at St. 412 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: Lawrence University in two thousand and one, and Dr Khannitt 413 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: says that Luke had a couple of things she found 414 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 1: out about the panel gland. She said, this little gland 415 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: in the center of the brain is responsible for a 416 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 1: lot of stuff we know that. She also found it 417 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: was a calcifying tissue like teeth and bones, So she 418 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: hypothesized that it would concentrate fluoride to noticeably high levels 419 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 1: because it's not acted by a blood brain barrier, and 420 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: it has what's called a high profusion rate of blood 421 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: and that second only to the kidney. So she found 422 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: high levels of fluoride in these eleven cadavers. But there's 423 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 1: some other stuff that we staw have to deal with, 424 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 1: you know, is this is this something that would just 425 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: naturally accumulate in someone as they age? To what degree 426 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: does fluoride inhibit the functions of the pineal gland and 427 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: which functions specifically does it inhibit? Now, I'm sure for 428 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people, especially some of our younger listeners, 429 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: the idea of reaching and going through puberty sooner might 430 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: sound just just great. You know, I don't know. Maybe 431 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: it takes all types right, but is there is there 432 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: a biological price paid for that later? It's interesting. It 433 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: takes me back to what you were talking we were 434 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: talking about sleep earlier, when what we were talking about 435 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: is you get older, you need less and less sleep. 436 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: And if I want, I wonder if there is a 437 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: connection there with the calcifying of your pineal gland. It's 438 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: function stops working so well, and I wonder if your 439 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: body kind of is making up for that in requiring 440 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: less sleep because you're maybe your melatonin just isn't what 441 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: it used to be. Interesting hypothesis there, Matt, that's not 442 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: That's a That's something I'd like to hear more about 443 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 1: also from our listeners. We have to talk about some 444 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: other ideas about the pineal gland. I know my favorite one. 445 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: What is it? D m T Ah? Yes, d m 446 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: T and and okay, so lay it on me. What 447 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: what's the gist? Well, I learned about this when I 448 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: watched a trailer for a movie called The Spirit molecula documentary, 449 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: and it's discussing whether or not the panel gland releases 450 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: small amounts of d m T during your sleep cycle, 451 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: and that basically the idea is that or the thought 452 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: the original thought is that maybe that's why we hallucinate 453 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: and have these insane dreams sometimes that don't make any 454 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: sense this way or that. Uh? And is it because 455 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: we are tripping when we're sleeping? Yeah? And d m 456 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: T uh is the more casual name for dimethyl trip 457 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: to mean this, this hypothesis is it was for a 458 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: long time fringy and controversial, and it's still very controversial. 459 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: By a guy named Rick Strassman is one of the 460 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: main proponents of this um, who also had the idea 461 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: that you get this rush of d m T when 462 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: you're dying, right the final moments of death are that 463 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: that's fascinating to me. The idea that it's kind of 464 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: it never ends. Didn't Altice Huxley get shot up with 465 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: hallucinogens before, like as he died. I remember hearing about that, 466 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: but I haven't read I haven't read any official accounts. 467 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: Well maybe that's a story for another day. But for 468 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: a long time this was very controversial. It remains controversial. UM. 469 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: But there have been there's been at least one study 470 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: done that I know of, which showed that UH rats 471 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: seem to produce some amount of d m T uh naturally. 472 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: And we know how dangerous it is to say, well 473 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: it happened to a rat, so clearly it happens to 474 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: every other animal. But it is an indication that more 475 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: research is needed at the very least. YEA, So one 476 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: of the one of the more fascinating things that you 477 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: can find when you're when you start researching d MT 478 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: and the pineal gland you get you eventually get to 479 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: or maybe even start near ayahuasca and its use in 480 00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: tribal regions and certain religions in South America and other places. UM, 481 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: which is ahuasca is essentially d M T and a 482 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: couple of other substances mixed together and it produces a 483 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: very strong hallucinating trip where in these in these cultures 484 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: it's used as a spiritual journey as a way to 485 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: kind of conquered internal demons. And when you when you 486 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: pair that up with kind of the fascination and fears 487 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: of the soul in the afterlife in the Western world, 488 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: I think that right there is ultimately the the fascination, 489 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: the reason that people really really want to know more 490 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: about this in the pineal gland and what the heck 491 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: is it? And is it really a key? Ah? Yeah, 492 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: that's that's part of the part of the ongoing search, 493 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: as you say, for the soul. Yeah. Well, the basically 494 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: the idea is, well, do they know something that we 495 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: don't know or have have we forgotten something? Yeah, And 496 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people do believe that's true. For one 497 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: reason or another. This calls to mind one of my 498 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: favorite phrases. I can't remember who said this. It was 499 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: either an artist or neuroscientist, very closer than you would think. Sometimes. Uh. 500 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: The the idea was that, um, the more we search 501 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: for the human soul, the less we find of its existence. 502 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: But the longer we search, the more that search itself 503 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,959 Speaker 1: seems to indicate that something's there. Well you know what 504 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: I mean? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So you can't 505 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: you can't find the hard evidence, but oh yeah, but 506 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: you're there's still this sort of undeniable there's something, there's 507 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: this inevitable need for a for the conscious mind too 508 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: to somehow understand what exists past it or beyond it. 509 00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: And I think that's a worthwhile endeavor. I also think 510 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: that we should mention that the pineal gland has been 511 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: linked to people who claim to be able to travel astralely. 512 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: So if you like, if you like Matt and I 513 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: are fans of those Mysteries of the Unknown time life 514 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: books and the Unsolved Mystery Show and things like that. 515 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: One of the things that happens when people who talk 516 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: about astral travel is that they often depict themselves as 517 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: rising in an incorporeal form that's linked somehow by by 518 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: this um intangible tendril right back to their back to 519 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: their actual body. And often this is depicted as a 520 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: tendril connecting pituitary gland to the where it would be 521 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: in the spiritual body. And we don't just mean um 522 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: fictionalized accounts of of astral travel. We're also talking about, 523 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: you know, stargate researchers, and most notably in a Swan. 524 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: I think there are accounts of this, real, real accounts 525 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: of people trying to do this. One last thing I 526 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: want to talk about, Ben is the symbolism of the 527 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: pine cone and whether or not it has anything to 528 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: do with the peel gland, and if it does, why 529 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: the heck are there so many pine cones in ancient symbology? Ah? Nice, 530 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: good catch. I can't believe we almost missed that one. Well, 531 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: just uh, And I just have a couple of things here, 532 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: and if maybe give me some thoughts on them, if 533 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: if you don't mind, So you know what anchor watt 534 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: looks like in Cambodia anchor watt. And if you don't 535 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: know what that looks like and you're listening this, put 536 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: a N G K O R W A T into 537 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: a search engine and look at the spires on this old, ancient, 538 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: ancient temple. They don't necessarily look exactly like a pineel gland, 539 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: but I've seen it referenced many times that this structure 540 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: is really important, the structure of these spires. Then you 541 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 1: go to a freemasonry I don't know if you've you've 542 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 1: been to the Fox Theater, right, yes, So in Atlanta 543 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,760 Speaker 1: there's a Fox Theater it used to be a Masonic lodge, 544 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: and it really looks like one, and not in this 545 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: building in particular, but there are several other Masonic buildings 546 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: in Atlanta and other places that use the pine cone. 547 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 1: A lot of times you'll see them on the ceiling 548 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: um with a light fixture or just a piece of 549 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: metal hanging down, and it's a pine cone. It's absolutely 550 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: a pine cone. Then you go to the Vatican and 551 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,399 Speaker 1: you look at, let's say, the Pope's staff that has 552 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: a pine cone on it, or maybe you go out 553 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: into the Belvidere courtyard and you check out this ancient 554 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: Roman fountain fountain that's sitting there, and it's a giant 555 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 1: pine cone. You know, when you when you go into 556 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:49,280 Speaker 1: these conspiracy theories as we do, you you start symbols 557 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: are highly important, or they seem to be very important. 558 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: And it makes me wonder, again, is there something that 559 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: these guys know about this pine cone that I don't know? Man? 560 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 1: Or is it just a symbol of releasing seeds and 561 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: harvest and you know the flow of life? Maybe? Sure? Well? All, oh, 562 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: that's a great question, great series of questions. All of 563 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: the especially in the ancient world, all of the symbols 564 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: used have significance. Um, this was you know, if we 565 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 1: look back, just from a technological perspective, people didn't have 566 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: the ability or the luxury of making um disposable arts, 567 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: you know, and so why would you waste your time 568 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: on a meaningless embellishment. So we do know that, uh, 569 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: symbols of any sort have incredible significance, especially the further 570 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: back those symbols go. Um. We could have a whole 571 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,760 Speaker 1: conversation about obelisk in a different episode. But the the 572 00:36:54,840 --> 00:37:00,399 Speaker 1: question then becomes, um, you know, what does this signify? Um? 573 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 1: What if anything doesn't mean in the modern day? And 574 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: I think that's an interesting question, but I haven't in 575 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: my own research, I haven't found much more than something 576 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: pointing out the the idea of this. And there could 577 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: definitely be a correlation because Plato is talking about the 578 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: panel gland, as did Renee Descartes, and um a couple 579 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: of other notable intellectuals Uh decart actually believe that it 580 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: was the seat of the human soul. Um. So maybe 581 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: there is more to that symbolism than we know. But 582 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 1: at this point, Matt, I have to ask you some stuff. 583 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: All right, Where can people go to learn more about 584 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: the panel gland. Well, if you want to go hardcore science, 585 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: the first place that I would go is the Journal 586 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: of Paneel Research, which is part of the Wily Online Library. UM. 587 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: This is primarily studying studying the melotonin aspects of the 588 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 1: pineal gland, but there's some fascinating stuff in there. It's 589 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,359 Speaker 1: updated all the time. Every once in a while you'll 590 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: get a free article, but most of it is you 591 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 1: have to pay to read the entire article, but you 592 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: can get an abstract and kind of see the ideas 593 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: that are being looked at. UM. So that's fascinating. If 594 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,760 Speaker 1: you want to hear people talk about this kind of thing. UM. 595 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,800 Speaker 1: If you're not already subscribed to The Joe Rogan Experience, 596 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 1: to do that now and listen to Rogan and his 597 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 1: friends talk about weird stuff. It's pretty great. Also, The 598 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: Duncan Trust All Family, our podcast. That's where I end 599 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: up all the time when i'm editing. Oh, I have 600 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: a contribution here. If you're a fan of our show 601 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: and you haven't already subscribed to Stuff to blow your mind, 602 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: you're welcome. You'll love it. They have an episode on 603 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: the pineal gland. Uh. They also are fellow monster enthusiasts, 604 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: so they cover a lot of stuff about monsters as well, 605 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: and they get weird with it. So check out their podcast, 606 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,800 Speaker 1: which is free, and you'll hear more about this stuff. 607 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,839 Speaker 1: Check out our website stuff they don't want you to know? 608 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:19,800 Speaker 1: Dot com right, still not fired, where you can find 609 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 1: Matt and I getting into all sorts of online hyjenks. 610 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 1: As we're recording this today, we just mocked strangled our 611 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: mascot agent, Scully My. That is my favorite thing I've 612 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 1: edited in a long time. I'm still really on the 613 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 1: fence about how that's gonna play out for us, but 614 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: we'll see what people think when we talk about that. 615 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 1: That's on our video Can you get Away with Murder? 616 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 1: Or getting away with Murder? I believe? And uh. In 617 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 1: the meantime, you can find us on Facebook and Twitter. Matt, 618 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,279 Speaker 1: what do you want people to write in and ask 619 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 1: us about this time around? I I want to know 620 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: your thoughts on this tiny little gland in your head. 621 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 1: First of all, we've we've kind of talked about it 622 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,880 Speaker 1: a little bit on Facebook already with our video series. 623 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: Oh you know what, I want to know, what is 624 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: your weirdest dream? That you've had that you think maybe 625 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 1: attributed to the d m T from your pineal gland. Uh. Yeah, 626 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: weirdest dream that you can recall. And do you think 627 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,760 Speaker 1: you had a precognitive pre figurative dream? You know? Is 628 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,839 Speaker 1: is time really a little bit more elastic rather than 629 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: linear in in uh dreamland? Ah, interesting stuff, good question. 630 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 1: Time travel is my favorite thing in the world. You 631 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 1: mean time travel other than one second at a time forward. Yeah, 632 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,359 Speaker 1: that's kind of boring. But and that is it for 633 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: us today. Thank you so much for listening. We hope 634 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 1: you enjoyed this. We know we touched on a lot 635 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: of things, uh, and didn't dig too deep into some 636 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 1: of the main themes we discussed. That's because we would 637 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,759 Speaker 1: like to hear from you before we jump all the 638 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 1: way into the deep waters on things like fluoridation and 639 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,839 Speaker 1: things like astro travel. So right to us and let 640 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: us know what we should cover, how should cover us, 641 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: how should cover it rather? And uh, you know it's 642 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: something that you're rarely going to hear outside of a 643 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: therapy session. Tell us what you're dreaming about, and uh, 644 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 1: tell us the weirdest, strangest dreams you've had. Wrap it 645 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 1: all up in an email, give us a title with 646 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: something like dreams in there, and uh send it straight 647 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: to us if you wish. And that's the end of 648 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: this classic episode. If you have any thoughts or questions 649 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 1: about this episode, you can get into contact with us 650 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: in a number of different ways. One of the best 651 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: is to give us a call. Our number is one 652 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: eight three three std w y t K. If you 653 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,759 Speaker 1: don't want to do that, you can send us a 654 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 1: good old fashioned email. We are conspiracy at i heart 655 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,759 Speaker 1: radio dot com. Stuff they don't want you to know 656 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: is a production of I heart Radio. For more podcasts 657 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 1: from my heart Radio, visit the i heart Radio app, 658 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.