WEBVTT - Week in Tech: Run, Robot, Run! 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:17.280 Welcome to Tech Stuff, a production of iHeart Podcasts and Kaleidoscope. 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:19.919 I'm mas Valoshan and today Karra Price and I will 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:23.040 bring you the headlines this week, including the race of 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:26.479 the humanoid robots. Then on tech Support, we'll talk to 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:30.840 Jeff Rosenthal about the role of private investment in building 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:34.200 out energy infrastructure in the US to meet the AI boom. 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:37.000 I would argue that this is one of the spaces 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:40.360 that you just see the future manifest regularly, like the 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:42.280 impossible become passible. 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:45.360 All of that. On the weekend Tech It's Friday, April 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:50.760 twenty fifth. Hello, Hello Cara. 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:52.920 Hi as well. 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:55.840 Since we last saw each other, A big important holiday happened, 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:59.600 which was Easter. And did you see how it celebrated 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:00.080 at the White. 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:03.080 I did, And I can't say that I know many 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:07.679 people who still roll eggs around with wooden spoons, but 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:09.320 the White House likes its traditions. 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:12.240 Yeah. There was also the human sized bunny who ended 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:15.040 up next to President Trump on the podium, who. 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:17.920 Looked a lot like Peter Rabbit, but suspiciously with a 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:19.320 different colored jacket. 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:22.600 This was, in fact Peter the Rabbit, who's been subtly 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:28.520 renamed and restyled face exactly. He has not to infringe 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:32.880 on Beatrix Potter's copyright. This wasn't the only slightly weird 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.959 sight to behold at the celebration. There were also sponsorships 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:40.360 and branding from the big tech companies. Meta had its 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:42.880 own tent on the White House lawn, complete with an 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:47.080 AI powered photo op. YouTube had a bunny hop stage, 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:50.480 and a reading nook was provided by Amazon, complete with 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.360 a couch and some colorful flowers with the Amazon logo 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:56.320 in pride of place. This was all on the lawn 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:59.880 of the White House at an event traditionally sponsored by 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:00.960 American egg Board. 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:03.760 I should have done this for my butt, mitzpah. Actually, 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:07.040 just have different tech companies cover different tables. 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.440 Well, future bamans for readers of the Arch of the 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:11.840 Deal will no doubt be able to defray the costs 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:12.640 in years to come. 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:15.400 Absolutely, you know, nothing says easter to mean quite like 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.040 a pink and blue sign with the words expand your 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:21.040 World with Meta AI on it, which is just so 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.720 funny to me because Meta execs past and present are 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:26.640 literally testifying right down the street as this is going on. 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:29.040 I know, I mean, it's surely incredible. What's what's going 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:30.680 on Washington right now? On the one hand, you have 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.120 Easter at the White House with all of these corporate 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:35.640 sponsors from the tech industry, and on the other hand, 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:38.760 you have the government's lawyers arguing to break up Google 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:43.200 Meta on trial. It's this, you know, rather delicious seeming 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:46.799 irony that you can't buy friendship, at least not from 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:47.839 President Trump. 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:52.200 But you can buy a couch at an Easter party exactly, 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:53.880 You know what I mean? You know, it does make 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:55.760 me wonder where this trend will go. I can sort 0:02:55.760 --> 0:03:00.000 of imagine a huge tent around Thanksgiving saying the annual 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:04.119 pardoning of the Thanksgiving Turkey sponsored by TikTok. 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:08.680 Speaking of strange and slightly jarring tech encroachment, I've got 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.000 a headline to start us off. The Wall Street Journal 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:14.679 reports that a recent half marathon race in Beijing had 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:20.280 some unusual participants humanoid robots. This thirteen mile race featured 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:24.840 thousands of humans and twenty one robots running. There's a 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:28.120 chance for China to show off its progress in humanoid robotics. 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:30.679 You can check out the video online. It's pretty deep 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:34.560 in the Young Canny Valley to see robots jogging alongside humans. 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:37.520 This is my favorite kind of story, I think because 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:40.000 of the uncanny valleyness of it, and also because there 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:42.320 was It wasn't perfect, let's just put it that way. 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:44.080 We'll get to some of the winners and losers. 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:46.640 We'll talk about that. But you know, China is really 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:49.160 leaning into humanoid robotics. They've said they want to be 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:52.760 the leader by twenty twenty seven, which I don't know 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:55.600 about you, but that's close to when I turned forty, 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:57.560 not far away. 0:03:58.000 --> 0:03:59.800 As you mentioned, the race did show this still quite 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:02.320 a lot room for improvement when it comes to these humanoids. 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:04.360 They had to have a staggered start to the race, 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:06.720 literally so they wouldn't run into each other. There were 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.600 pauses between the robots starting. They were also in their 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:14.080 own lane, the HOV lane of the half marathon in Beijing. 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:16.159 There's so much about this that I love. But my 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:19.120 favorite part is that some of these robots were wearing accessories. 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:22.320 You know, some had like running shoes, tank tops, you know, 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.880 they have those little like bicycle hat and to me, 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:26.640 they all kind of look like guys in Fort Green 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:29.080 who are trying to like bag women on hinge. 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.200 Those weren't the only upgrades to the robots. They went 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.760 beyond low ups In some cases, the developers had to 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.920 modify the robots for the race so that plastic components 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:40.640 wouldn't break off while they were running, and actually recast 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:44.440 and replace those parts with metal. They also given longer legs, 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:45.480 something I would love to. 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:48.719 Have, which you know, to me, this is a sign 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:52.239 that humans are still superior. These robots trained for months 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.360 so they could navigate both the flat and hilly parts 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.640 of the course and also take six left turns and 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:00.599 eight right turns, something fortunately I still don't have to 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:01.159 practice for. 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:03.799 And I think the majority of these robots were actually 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.840 remote controlled. But a big issue was stamina. That doesn't 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:08.560 mean they need to take water, break or catch their 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:10.839 breath like we do, but these robots are breat on 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.960 batteries which need to be recharged every two hours, and 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.200 the race was what over three hours long, so at 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.240 different points in the race, the robots were stopped because 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:20.160 they ran out of power and had to swap batteries 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:21.440 in order to keep going, which. 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.240 Is just like a pit stop at a NASCAR race. 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:26.000 Let me just clarify when you say a group of 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:29.880 humanoid robots. Listeners might think this is a robot army, 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.080 you know, it's like very Star Wars, where they all 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:34.279 look the same and run at an identical pace. But 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:37.480 that was not what happened here. It was a melee. 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:40.760 Have you seen Have you seen when dog walkers are 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:43.000 in Central Park and you have every type of dog 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:45.159 from big to small, from crazy to calm. 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:46.520 That's how we lose people. 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:48.760 That this was that of robots. It was a melee 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:52.880 of different shape, different size, different herky jerky robots. I 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.040 think in some sense, you know, there was a competition 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:59.720 amongst the robot manufacturers. Some fared better than others on 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:03.040 one and you have the front runner, Chian Kung Ultra, 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.760 who stood at five foot nine and only fell over 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:08.880 once when it's battery failed. It did change his battery 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:11.680 three times, but Tien ran at about six miles an 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:15.080 hour across different terrains including hills, stairs, grass and sand. 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:20.159 Others weren't so lucky. One humanoid with propellers went off course, 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:24.320 slammed into a fence and broke into pieces. It sounds comedic, 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:27.120 it was actually kind of scary. Things. Two hundred pound 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:30.719 metallic humanoid charge its way into a crowd of people, 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:33.640 how to tell you, some were barely able to walk, 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:38.039 much less run. One humanoid robot named Juan Juan actually 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.000 went in the wrong direction for a little bit before 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:43.120 sitting down and refusing to go further, which was like 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:45.320 me at sports day as a child. Yes, in you two. 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:46.920 I think I was going to say we are all. 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.200 One on this podcast where we are one. 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:51.280 Sure, it's very relatable. 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:54.800 And while Tian Kung Ultra was the first humanoid to 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:57.559 cross the finish line after about two hours and forty minutes, 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:00.680 a human runner finished the race over an hour and 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.640 a half before that, So only two humanoids cross the 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:06.640 finish line within the race's original cutoff time, which cut 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.039 extended to four hours and ten minutes because most of 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.600 them just simply weren't going to make it. If I 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:13.679 was running a marathon, this would also happen. 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.760 By the way, it's funny to laugh at the missteps 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:20.239 of these robots. But remember how when we were first 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.720 playing around with Gennety of Ai. You know, it was 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:24.600 impressive that it could write anything at all, but the 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:29.040 writing was completely unserviceable. So, you know, I think that 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:30.840 we're seeing what we may be seeing here as a 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:33.840 kind of leading edge of in fact and explosion in 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:39.480 humanoid robots because these robots are intertwined deeply with the 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:43.040 development of AI. Robots have different parts, but you could 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:47.120 say that the brain is the AI which allows the 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:51.320 robots to learn from patterns and mimic human behavior in 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:55.480 real time. And according to analysts at Goldman Sachs, Deep 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.360 seeks are one model may have changed the game for 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:02.320 Chinese robotic companies because now top level AI performance is 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:05.800 possible with fewer advanced ships and less computing power, which 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.360 makes it easier to distribute across a society. 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:10.480 So is it safe to say that this race was 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.600 less between humans and robots, which it clearly was not, 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:16.360 and more between the US and China. 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:21.160 Well, Cara, that's why they pay the big bugs. I agree. 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:23.720 I agree. There is a strong national pride element to 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:27.000 the Chinese robotics sector and seemingly a desire to integrate 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.200 robots into more and more human activities such as this marathon. 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.599 There's also some interesting robot human dance self videos that 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:34.520 you can find online. 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:35.080 I've seen them. 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:38.400 They're well worth checking out. Moving on to another story 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:40.800 that could be straight out of a sci fi novel, 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:45.240 but unfortunately is not in partnership with Wired magazine. Four 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:47.840 or four Media reported on a tool that some police 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:51.520 departments near the Southern border are paying quite a bit 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:55.559 of money to use. The product is called Overwatch, as 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:58.440 in the shoot them Up video game, naturally, and it 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.240 comes from a company called Massive Blue. 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:02.720 Only boys can name this. 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:04.920 I'm sorry, I'm not saying women can't, but it sounds 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:06.360 like something that only boys can name. 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:09.439 I'm with you on this, not unfortunately. Overwatch is marketed 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:13.760 as a product that quote deploys lifelike virtual agents which 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:19.040 infiltrate and engage criminal networks across various channels. Basically, Massive 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:22.400 Blue is offering cops virtual personas that can be unleashed 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:27.120 on the Internet and used to interact with quote college protesters, quote, 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:31.960 radicalized political activists, and suspected drug and human traffickers over 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:33.600 text messages and social media. 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:39.320 And one such example of an Overwatch AI persona is Heidi, 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:42.400 and Massive Blue described her in a presentation to the 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:47.359 Texas Department of Public Safety as quote a radicalized AI persona. 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:50.480 Here's her backstory? You ready, yeah, ready, Oh my god, 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:54.280 it's me. She's a thirty six year old, Oh my god, childless, 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:58.200 divorced woman who lives in Texas. But this is when 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:01.120 she got radicalized. She was raised in San Francisco. 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:02.080 Oh my god. 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:06.559 Her hobbies are activism and baking, and her personality is 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:11.520 quote outspoken, lonely, and body positive. This is the greatest 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:12.880 thing I've ever heard in my entire life. 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:16.959 This is summoned from the nightmares of JD events. 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.920 Literally, like the these are the threats to American society. 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.280 A body positive child woman. 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.120 Body positive, lonely, outspits. 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.400 By the way, she's going to get five thousand if 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:30.720 Heidi keeps up with this body positive, childless behavior. The 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:33.120 Trump administration might give her five thousand dollars to have 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:33.560 a child. 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:38.280 So maybe the unintended consequence of a legion of Heidi's 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:42.440 roaming the internet will be bankrupting the American American government 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:46.560 taking advantage of the credits to have children exactly. This 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:50.680 is obviously a truly weird story, but the purpose of 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:54.360 personas like Heidi is to interact with and of course, 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:58.560 perhaps we might say in trap real suspects on social media. 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.040 The idea is by looking to these potential suspects, Heidi 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:05.200 and other AI personas can gather evidence on them to 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:08.440 be used by police departments. Sorry, I shouldn't be lovey. 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:09.960 I mean it's bizarre. 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:12.400 It's the most bizarre thing. Also that like these are 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:16.040 the threats to American civilization. Like to your point, like 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:17.920 an AI cat, we don't even know if she has 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.199 a cat, because her cat could be a bigger threat. 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.680 But that she's outspoken and body positive is what's so 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.440 crazy to me. I do need to point out that 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:29.920 it is legal to protest in the United States, so 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.000 it's a bit odd that one of the types of 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:36.480 AI personas is a college protester. But the idea of 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.800 law enforcement using fake personas to catch suspects isn't new. 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:43.840 Officers have made profiles claiming to be teenagers to gather 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:45.880 information on child predators. 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.040 Now, this is like if you turned to catch your 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:52.720 predator into an AI and then turned that AI into 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:54.720 a product and then sold it to police departments. 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:56.839 That's exactly that's exactly right. 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.719 Using this software instead of having to log on and 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.680 make a fake profile message of suspect back and forth 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:04.480 and hope they don't catch on to what you're doing, 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.360 Overwatch does a lot of that work for you so. 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:09.960 Another of watched profile the police departments can use is 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:15.240 child trafficking AI persona, also known as Jason. Jason is 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:17.880 fourteen years old, likes video games, and has a hard 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:19.120 time interacting with girls. 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:20.720 He's an insult or just a normal. 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:22.480 Fourteen year old boy. To be fair to him, I 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.400 wasn't such a big video gamer, but I certainly had 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:28.520 those other two characteristics. In the presentation obtained by four 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:30.960 or for Media, there is a screenshot of a sample 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:34.679 text exchange between Jason and someone who is presumably a 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:39.240 predatory adult, asking these alone, Jason replies to the message, quote, 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.280 just chillin by myself. Man. My mom's at at Symbol 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:46.880 work and my dad's out of town, so it's just 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:50.199 me and my VID games video game controller emoji. 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:52.360 I would have already been under a dictionary. I wouldn't 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:54.680 even be able to talk to this. You know, we're 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:57.319 not clear if this is a real exchange. We do 0:12:57.440 --> 0:12:59.920 know that Massive Blues signed a three hundred and six 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:04.160 d thousand dollars contract with Panal County in Arizona, and 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:07.320 the county use an anti human trafficking grant to pay 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:10.600 for this exchange. The Panal County Sheriff's office did tell 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:13.360 four A four media that Overwatch has so far not 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:14.680 been used for any arrests. 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:16.400 It is used for a lot of laughs. 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.200 Yeah, I'm curious if the fact it hasn't been used 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:21.280 for any arrests it's considered to be a good thing 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:22.080 or a bad thing. 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:24.120 That's what I was going to say. Yeah, exactly. 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.719 So, Karen, while we're on the topic of what kind 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:30.280 of information can we gathered about people online, You've got 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:32.920 a headline for us about removing yourself from the Internet. 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:33.440 Yeah. 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:35.720 So the Wall Street Journal ran an article with the headline, 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:38.920 go delete yourself from the Internet, and it talks about 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:42.480 how Google recently updated its results about You feature and 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:45.800 you can plug in details like your name, various email addresses, 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:49.080 phone numbers, or street addresses, and Google will literally show 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:51.120 you what kind of things about you or out there 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:51.760 on the internet. 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:53.760 Yeah. I looked at this and I was like, him 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:55.880 is basically asking me for all of my personal data 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.080 to run a search on what personal data exists on 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.720 the Internet. So, of course I I did it anyway, 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.360 And indeed, I think this is this is less about 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:05.840 a kind of cursory Google search and more of them 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:09.280 doing like a deep web search to reveal what exists 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:10.600 about you online? Is that true? 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:12.920 Yes, it's things like where you live, if you've ever 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:16.560 gotten a speeding ticket, magazine subscriptions, which is very risky 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:18.920 for me. And these little bits of data can add 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.560 up to a pretty substantial amount of information about you 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:23.960 that's just floating around. You know, it can expose you 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:28.120 to annoyances like getting more junk mail or scarier situations 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:32.040 like identity theft or doxing or receiving unwonted flowers. 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:34.480 Has that ever happened to you? I can't talk about 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:38.440 it and not to mention. Data brokers scrape this stuff, 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:40.920 package it and then sell it on as a dossier. 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:44.040 We're talking about very personal stuff here, like license plate 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:47.280 numbers of your vehicles, list of your family members, and 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:49.360 the dossiers are getting more and more detailed as time 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.760 goes on and more data becomes available. Yes. 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:53.920 So just to be clear, like Google's results about you 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:58.160 only provides information, there's a separate request process for removing 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:00.840 things from search results, and there are are also other 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:04.520 services you can pay for to proactively remove personal data 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:05.400 from the Internet. 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:08.040 One thing I can't stop thinking about is that deleting 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:10.120 yourself from the Internet is not something you can do 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.040 once and then it's done forever. I mean, it's like 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:13.520 a never ending task. 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.000 It is a never ending story, and it's ongoing for 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:18.400 a couple of reasons. First, you know, if you don't 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:21.120 live in a state with data privacy laws like California 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:24.360 that require, for example, people search sites to take down 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:28.480 your data upon request, that information might just stay up there. 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:32.560 And second, data that's been taken down can reappear. And 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.840 I think this is an unfortunate part of being in 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.240 the modern world, is that like your data can just 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:38.920 be out there. 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:40.680 I mean, I feel bad for people who live in 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:45.080 states where mugshot databases automatically uploaded to the Internet. I mean, 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:48.200 I find that so deeply unfair that you're kind of 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:51.760 haunted by your mugshot forever. Even if you know Sheriff's 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.200 department takes it down subsequently, it will never never leave 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:57.280 the Internet. Also, it's one of those things where we know, 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:59.240 you know, I know we have to be much more 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:02.760 careful with day to privacy, but it's just so hard 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.000 to actually do it. I mean, it's one of those 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.760 things where it seems I until something bad happens to you, 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:11.120 it's almost impossible to motivate yourself to take more care. 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.120 And also, you and I always talk about this, like 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.520 what is to be gained by giving away my data 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.280 quite a bit? What is lost by giving away my 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:21.600 data quite a bit? But I don't care as much. 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:23.160 Yeah, I think there are things you can do at 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:25.560 the margins, like make a fake email address or a 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:27.920 burner email address for every time you sign up for 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:31.560 a site online, have a different password every time you know. 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:35.000 Those are steps you can take that will be substantially protective. 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:40.360 It's time for a quick break now. When we come back, 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.280 we'll run through the short headlines and speak with Jeff Rosenthal, 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:47.560 co founder of the VC firm SIEV about investing in 0:16:47.720 --> 0:17:03.720 energy infrastructure. Carrow it back, and it's time to get 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:04.600 into the shorties. 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:08.399 I like that. 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:12.720 I'll start with one of my favorite publications, The Aviationist. 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:13.879 Do you really read that? 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.520 You read it online? I read it online. They have 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:21.479 a story with the headline British Army radio wave weapon 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:26.720 cooks multiple drones swarms simultaneously. If you can write headlines 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:28.920 like that, you deserve to be anybody's favorite publication. 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:30.960 Peabody, Babe Peabody. 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:34.400 So the British Army is testing a new air defense 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:38.280 weapon that can simultaneously destroy more than one hundred drones 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:42.320 in one deployment. The so called rapid Destroyer we Brits 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:46.679 to God with names, damages or disrupts critical electronic components 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:51.480 inside drones using just radio waves at high frequencies. This 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:54.600 causes the drones to crash or malfunction during flight, and 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:58.080 it could actually be a transformative defensive weapon for conflicts 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:01.800 like the War in Ukraine. To the UK's Defense Intelligence, 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:05.000 Ukraine had to defend against attacks from more than eighteen 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:06.920 thousand drones in twenty twenty four. 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:09.520 So bad news for members of jen Alpha trying to 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:12.840 pose his adults on Instagram. The Verge reports that Meta 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:16.919 is taking its AI driven age detection to the next level. 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:19.480 If a user claims to be an adult, meaning they 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:22.159 lie about their birth year, but then an AI tool 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:25.680 finds evidence that they are in fact a teenager, evidence 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:29.919 like messages from friends saying happy sixteenth birthday, smoking that's 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:33.200 a big smoking gun, Meta will automatically switch that user 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:35.480 to a teen account, So watch out who your friends are. 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:37.080 These accounts are more restrictive. 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:40.440 For example, they're private by default and Instagram limits the 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:41.800 kind of content teen c. 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:45.960 Here's one for all the people still ignoring cryptocurrency. The 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:48.840 Wall Street Journal has a story under the headline Crypto 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:51.640 knocks on the door of a banking world, shut it out, 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.800 and it reports that some crypto firms plan to apply 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:58.120 for bank charters or licenses, allowing them to operate more 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:00.880 like traditional lenders that can take deposits and make loans. 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.240 This comes just a few years after the FTX collapse, 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:07.679 when many major banks cut ties with crypto firms. But 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:11.560 where a bank license comes striccher regulation. At least for now, 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:15.280 all eyes are on the crypto friendly Trump administration to 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:17.560 see where the crypto companies will have to play by 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:19.720 the same rules in order to get these licenses. 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:23.200 And lastly, I wanted to highlight a new startup with 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:28.479 an unfathomable mission to achieve quote the full automation of 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:31.879 all work, so to basically achieve humans having to do 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:34.639 no work. This story is from tech Crunch, and the 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:39.000 company called Mechanize intends to research the limitations of AI 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:43.280 because they believe quote the explosive economic growth likely to 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:48.239 result from completely automating labor could generate vast abundance, much 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:51.240 higher standards of living, and new goods and services that 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:55.680 we can't even imagine today. Unsurprisingly, the announcement has received 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:59.360 considerable disdain and backlash on social media, but the company, 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:03.280 in its affiliate nonprofit AI research organization, actually has significant 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:06.640 backing from industry insiders, and they want you to know 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:09.960 that they are hiring humans. 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:13.760 Not fully mechanized yet not yet. It is interesting, though, 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:17.040 how quickly things which seem like pipe dreams of the 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:21.840