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Speaker 1: Ever since he threw up in Beijing. I don't know

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Speaker 2: Everybody, Hi, and welcome to the Renee Stubs Tennis podcast.

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Speaker 2: We are back in New York City and I am

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Speaker 2: joined by my trusty left hand because you're on my

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Speaker 2: left side today, Andrea Pekovitch, Hi, picko, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing really well and I'm going to set I'm

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Speaker 1: going to set you up for this joke that you

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Speaker 2: We are in the closet, literally we If we sound

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Speaker 2: really great today, it's because we have a setup in

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Speaker 2: literally the closet of your apartment in Brooklyn. Because your

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Speaker 2: amazing boyfriend Jesse is also a musician, and so he

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Speaker 2: records a lot of stuff in here.

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Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, he does well. He has a studio a

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Speaker 1: little further away from here, but for some smaller stuff

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Speaker 1: that doesn't involve drums, for example, he sometimes records here.

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Speaker 1: And I actually recorded my audiobook for the last two

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Speaker 2: It'll probably sound like mine didn't.

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Speaker 1: That would be like I wish I had my voice

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Speaker 1: was always like this, But unfortunately, we will go back

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Speaker 1: to the squeaky mess that I have smoke.

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Speaker 2: A couple of packs of cigarettes, and you might just

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Speaker 2: sound like that any day you want. But anyway, the

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Speaker 2: point is that I'm back in the closet, is what

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Speaker 2: Petco would like to let everybody know. I'm back in

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Speaker 1: Forty five minutes.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have to be so we are here, and

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Speaker 1: I'm excited. I really got used to First of all,

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Speaker 1: And second of all, I really enjoyed that daily thing

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Speaker 1: podcast set. It's a color podcast. But not only that,

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Speaker 1: But also what I really liked is it gave me

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Speaker 1: because we see tennis so differently and still but it's

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Speaker 2: And I see each other things differently.

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Speaker 1: We see different things, but both are correct, you know,

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Speaker 1: so differently put you see things that I don't see,

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Speaker 1: Well, and that's that's what I wanted to get that.

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Speaker 1: First of all, what you said reminded me of another

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Speaker 1: No, I will give my own I mean.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I don't know. I guess you know. Look, results

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Speaker 1: Results will show. The one thing I have to say

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Speaker 1: circles back to the things we talked about before, that

431
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,240
Speaker 1: you need people in your kana and that's the complicated

432
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,840
Speaker 1: part of a tennis player's relationship with their coach. This

433
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,719
Speaker 1: is the only sport where the tennis player pays the

434
00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:36,159
Speaker 1: coach to be an authority on you. That's not going

435
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,719
Speaker 1: to work. If you need somebody to tell you the

436
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,200
Speaker 1: truth and that guy is reliant on your salary, he's

437
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,719
Speaker 1: not going to tell it to you, unless it's somebody

438
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,480
Speaker 1: like Darren Cahill who doesn't need the job because he

439
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,880
Speaker 1: knows he can get a job tomorrow. He's with ESPN,

440
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,639
Speaker 1: he's well off, he's fine. He has a reputation that

441
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 1: cannot be stained anymore. He's one of the best coaches

442
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,240
Speaker 1: we have in the world. He doesn't need to hold

443
00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 1: back the truth. But there are many coaches out there

444
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,480
Speaker 1: that are great coaches, but that are at the beginning

445
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 1: of their career and that can't afford to just tell

446
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,680
Speaker 1: a player, I think you're messing up. I don't think

447
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 1: you should go to Sanbramo. I don't think you should

448
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 1: do that. But they can't afford to do that because

449
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,119
Speaker 1: their salary is dependent on them and they have a

450
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 1: family to feed, they have a house to pay off.

451
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 1: And that is a terrible system really for those players.

452
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 1: And if you are and I'm not faulting Hulger again,

453
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 1: it comes back to what we talked about. He's a

454
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,439
Speaker 1: young guy, he's a kid. I don't fault him, but

455
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 1: it's about the system is not great for players, and

456
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 1: especially players who are impulsive, who act on their whims.

457
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,239
Speaker 1: You're about to make some decisions that you might end

458
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 1: up regretting. And I don't know if this is one

459
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,639
Speaker 1: of them. I hope certainly not, because I think Olga

460
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 1: is a very exciting player and I hope it goes

461
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,679
Speaker 1: well for him. But yeah, I think this system is

462
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 1: really really fraud in tennis. Yeah.

463
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 2: I mean I can say. Look, I've had a couple

464
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Speaker 2: of coaching stints, and I can say that one of

465
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 2: the things that I say, and I have said this

466
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,200
Speaker 2: to a player that I worked with, is I don't

467
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 2: need this job. And listen, it's not to say that

468
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 2: I don't I won't take the money. It's not to

469
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 2: say that I don't like the money. If they do

470
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 2: well and I get a nice bonus check and all

471
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff, but I don't need it to live, right.

472
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 2: I have my ESPN gigs, I've got at other stuff

473
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 2: going on. I had my own career and I said

474
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 2: to a player one time, I don't need this job,

475
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 2: so if you want to hear the truth, you're going

476
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 2: to hear it from me. And this person literally turned

477
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 2: around to me and said, well, I'm not used to

478
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 2: someone like being not tough on me, but I'm not

479
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 2: used to someone telling me these things and being like this.

480
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 2: And I said, well, I don't need this job, so

481
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,199
Speaker 2: if you want me to help you, this is what

482
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Speaker 2: I'm going to say. And I also say, I don't

483
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 2: take things personally until you make it personal, right, So

484
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 2: if someone snaps on me on the tennis court because

485
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 2: I've told them something and they're like, you know, I

486
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 2: don't want to hear that right now, you know, step

487
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 2: back or whatever it is. I mean, Serena told me

488
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 2: that one time, or I don't want to doc to

489
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 2: you right now, it's like okay. But if they say,

490
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,120
Speaker 2: you know, shut up, you dyke right, and they make

491
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,439
Speaker 2: it personal to me, and I'm like, okay, that is

492
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 2: I'm out, see you later. But if they're losing their

493
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 2: shit to me, it's a different thing. Because I was

494
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 2: the worst person to coach probably ever, so I understand

495
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 2: that feeling out there, But the most important thing is

496
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 2: that you are absolutely telling your player what they need

497
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 2: to hear at that time to make them better. And

498
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 2: if it's a tough conversation then and so be it.

499
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 2: But there are so many players that have coaches that

500
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 2: are absolutely reliant on them, and I have to say,

501
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 2: I mean, that's one of the things about Tom that

502
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 2: I think with Sakar is that she did have him

503
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 2: for a long time. I'm sure he tried to influence

504
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 2: her in certain ways, but at some point she wasn't

505
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 2: listening and she wasn't doing the things that he was

506
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 2: requesting or asking. And you just wonder how tough he

507
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,479
Speaker 2: was because they were such good friends as well, you know,

508
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 2: he needed an more authoritative figure to come in and

509
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 2: be like, no, you need to do X. And I

510
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 2: think his lack of experience in big moments and just

511
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 2: you know, he was never a great player. He was

512
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 2: a college player, and that's no slide on him. There's

513
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 2: been plenty of players, you know that weren't great players

514
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 2: that became phenomenal coaches. But he lacked that experience in

515
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 2: the big matches. And I do think that she needed

516
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: someone who had been there or done it, whether it

517
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 2: be with another player or as a player. And I

518
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: think that that's probably where it's hurt her a little

519
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 2: bit to not have a more authority figure over top

520
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 2: of her, to not let her carry on like a

521
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 2: pop chop on the court, which she does half the time.

522
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: Well, and I wonder can you maybe let us in

523
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: a bit on the thought process that goes on, because

524
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 1: as I mentioned before, marias said, Maria said many times

525
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: before that she wanted to end her career with Tom

526
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: Hill by her side. She clearly didn't. What do you

527
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 1: think how much has the pressure risen on her and

528
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: how much has the lack of results maybe just become

529
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 1: a thing, a cloud in her head where she or

530
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: somebody else in her team was like you need a change,

531
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Speaker 1: or maybe she thought I need a change. What do

532
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 1: you think how does that function in the tennis players? Yeah?

533
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know as well as I do. Like

534
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 2: you just get to a point where, like, you know,

535
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 2: it's stale, and you know you're not listening to them anymore,

536
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 2: and then the things that they're telling you are not working.

537
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you tell me you've had coaching changes. You

538
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 2: know what it feels like to get to a point

539
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 2: where you just feel like, Okay, you need a new

540
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 2: voice and then you get the new voice and you're like, oh,

541
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: it's great, and they could be telling the same thing

542
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 2: just in a different way.

543
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: Well, I have this experience with because my dad is

544
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Speaker 1: my coach. He's a tennis coach, and he was my

545
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: coach for a long time, so I have this experience

546
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: firsthand that especially when you're young, when you're a teenager

547
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: until I was maybe twenty four, I want to say

548
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: my dad, I always thank god. He always said I

549
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: think you need a travel coach. I don't think I

550
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: can travel with you because it will jeopardize our relationship

551
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: as a father and a daughter. And I'm really glad

552
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 1: that he had the clarity of mine to make this

553
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: decision for us as a family. But he would say

554
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: many things that were exactly the same that my traveling

555
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 1: coaches would tell me. And I'd be like, ah, Dad,

556
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: you know, like stop it. Why are you telling Because

557
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: he's my dad, you know, I don't want my dad

558
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: to tell me like maybe turn your record on your

559
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: forehead that way. And then my coach would come and

560
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: say the same thing. I was like, oh, my god,

561
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: you're a genius. You think so so much. Yeah, but

562
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: understand probably was in the background, like, oh my god,

563
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 1: fuck you Andress.

564
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's the case. I mean for me, it

565
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 2: was I had some coaches that would tell me stuff,

566
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 2: and then I had, you know, other people tell me stuff,

567
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: and it resonated differently. So I do think that at

568
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: some point when things do get stale. And she won Guadalajara,

569
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,959
Speaker 2: but let's face it, it wasn't the strongest one thousand,

570
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: but she beat who she had to beat to win

571
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 2: the tournament, so I think that gave him a little

572
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: bit of life. But I think long before that she

573
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: should have had a change. And that's nothing against Tom.

574
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 2: I just think at some point she needed to have

575
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: fresh eyes and a fresh attitude with her. So we'll see.

576
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 2: I kind of sort of know who she's going to

577
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,479
Speaker 2: be working with. I don't want to say it here

578
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 2: because I don't think it's public yet, but it'll be

579
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 2: interesting to see how she responds and how she can

580
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 2: change things. She lost early again in Dubai. Things are

581
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 2: not looking good for her, so it's going to be

582
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: a big necessity to turn around. I mean, and if

583
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 2: you watch Breakpoint, I mean every week she's like, I'm quitting.

584
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: So she's got to get away from that mentality, that's

585
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: damn sure, and start finding the joy much like as

586
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 2: your burd But os you know, this knee is an

587
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: ongoing issue. But I also think that Ons is just

588
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 2: fucking miserable on the court, and Marie is the same.

589
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: So you know, I said this to Sam when I

590
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 2: started working with her, when she had you know, her

591
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 2: ranking was really, really quite low and she was struggling.

592
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 2: I said, Sam, you gotta find the joy in what

593
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: you're doing on the tennis court. And if you don't

594
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 2: find the joy, don't be here, you know. And so

595
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: if you're not finding joy in the work and the

596
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 2: matches and the stress and the travel, don't do it.

597
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: And if you can find that joy, you will have

598
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: the results that you want because you will find the

599
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: you'll find the joy back in what you're doing, which

600
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 2: is it's friggin hard to be a tennis player.

601
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: It is hard. And I'm sorry I don't have as

602
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: brilliant the segue to the next subject as I had.

603
00:27:51,440 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: Shame for that. Shame, yes, shame, shame shape from relationship

604
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: with coaches to relationship between tennis players and the chair umpires.

605
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 2: Oh my god, can you believe that? Did you see it.

606
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: Have you seen the replay of what happened with Coco.

607
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: I actually I was watching the match, so I missed

608
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: kind of the entire conversation because I watched it without it.

609
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: I watched it without a tone, and then when I

610
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: saw it kept because it kept going on and on

611
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: and on, I turned on the tone and so the sound,

612
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 1: and then I caught the Why just explain to me,

613
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: why did Pierre not call the supervisor diickad I know

614
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to.

615
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: So just for those In actual fact, if you ask

616
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: for the tour supervisor, he has to call the to

617
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 2: a supervisor. I'm fairly certain, okay that what Coco mistake

618
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: Coco made was continuing to talk. She should have walked down.

619
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: Now I've already tweeted about this what he was saying.

620
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 2: If it's a rule like, if it's a rule interpretation,

621
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: you can ask for the chair of the supervisor. If

622
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: it's a judgment, judgment call on the court, like if

623
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: it was a double bounce, or if it was what

624
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: he said, I called the ball out when she hit it,

625
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 2: I put her off kind of thing, that's his call.

626
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: So in actual fact, the supervisor would have come out.

627
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: This is what would have happened. The supervisor would have

628
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: come out. She would have said, what's the problem, and

629
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,959
Speaker 2: she would have said, he said out after she hit

630
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,239
Speaker 2: the ball in the net. And then she would look

631
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: at the umpire and said, what's the Is that the

632
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: what happened? And he would say, no, I thought that

633
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 2: I called when she hit the ball, so that's why

634
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: I'm playing a lit. And then the supervisor would looked

635
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: at Coco and said, sorry, Coco, I can't do anything

636
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: about this. That's his judgment call.

637
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: Okay.

638
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: So he was correct in what he was saying. Where

639
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: he was incorrect is not sending the supervisor out just

640
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: to appease her, because she was doing that just to

641
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: make a point, because Coco knew she was never going

642
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: to win that point. Coco knew that what had happened

643
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: was too late, and the judgmentcall was the umpires. She

644
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: was trying to make a point, and I don't blame her,

645
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: but the mistake she made was going on. She should

646
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: have sat down and she said I'm not playing until

647
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: you call the supervisor, and then he would have to

648
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: call the supervisor, right because just to appease her. But

649
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: what he did in his tone and the way he spoke,

650
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: he should have known better that he said for a

651
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: fact out after the ball was basically in the net.

652
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: That was the worst fucking call I've seen in a

653
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: long time.

654
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: But don't you think that's why he did it? Because

655
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: he knew that he was wrong, and if he now

656
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: called the supervisor, I think in the end it did

657
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: go viral. But maybe he hoped because if he calls

658
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: the supervisor, everyone will see it. Do you think he

659
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: knew that he was wrong so to know?

660
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, if the serve was out, which it wasn't,

661
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: but if the server was out and Kaya had hit

662
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: the ball into the net, she would have said challenge,

663
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: why are you fucking overruling that call? And everyone's like, oh,

664
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 2: it's the best line for him to overall. No, it's not.

665
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 2: It's actually a very difficult line to overall because you're like, well,

666
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: it's the closest line to the umpire. Well, actually it's

667
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: really hard to see the space sometimes with the ball

668
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: between the ball and the line. When the ball's in

669
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: front of you, in front.

670
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: Of the line, well, and the angle is really that's

671
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: right from there.

672
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: I just don't understand why he decided to overrule in

673
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: the first place, like, shut the fuck up. If it's out,

674
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: Carolina is going to be like, dude, challenge it was

675
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 2: a fault and clearly it wasn't, so he could have

676
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: just let her walk to the other side, which Carolina

677
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: was basically doing, and then he's like out and then

678
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: he's like, no, I called. I mean he it was

679
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: just horrible. It's horrible, and not calling the supervisor out

680
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: was that's on him. And you know what, it really

681
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: changed things because she played really well after that, so

682
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: I think it gave her incentive. If Carolina had been smart,

683
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: she probably would have walked to the other side of

684
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 2: the court knowing that she she knew that that call

685
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: didn't interrupt her.

686
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well, and it's interesting because Coco's dad posted

687
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: on Instagram today, I don't know if you saw it.

688
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm so proud of her, and she

689
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: did handle it really well. But I think there where

690
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: he was correct was that the situation couldn't have been changed.

691
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: He couldn't have altered his decision. And that's a really

692
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: weird thing because because we have the we have all

693
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: these replaced now, and still these things are this strangely

694
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: and set and stone traditions of tennis that cannot be changed,

695
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: and one of them is if the chair umpire makes

696
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: a call, it's set in stone for the next two

697
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years plus. Yes, what do we do that?

698
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 2: Well, it'd be interesting to see if that happened at

699
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: the US Open, because you know, now we have that

700
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: system where you can actually look at double bouncers, you can.

701
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: That would be if it was me, we should include that.

702
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: We should include an umpire fucking up royally and being like,

703
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,719
Speaker 2: oh actually no, just like Va, oh no, actually in

704
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: a penalty shootout the ball did go over the line

705
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: or you came out early as the goalkeeper. So for me,

706
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: we need to get it right. And you know, everyone

707
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: and every Tom Dick and Harry that was like, you're

708
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: so mean, like getting rid of the lines. People, it's

709
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: what they do and they love tennis. I'm like, then

710
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: go and watch tennis, like I'm sorry, this is someone's livelihood.

711
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: And quite frankly, if if if Coco had lost that

712
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: point after and then subsequently lost that game, Carolina would

713
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: have served for the match at five to four in

714
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: the second set. So it was an absolutely massively pivotal

715
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: moment of the match. It's just a Coco won the

716
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: point and won the game and then ended up breaking

717
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: actually to win the set six to four. But frankly,

718
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: like that was bullshit what happened, and that umpire. I

719
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: hope he gets big time scolded for that. And if

720
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: I'm Coco, I'm refusing to have him in my chair anymore,

721
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: because once you lose trust and faith in somebody like that,

722
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: and she did handle it well. She even shook his hand,

723
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: which I can guarantee you I wouldn't have. I mean,

724
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: I would have been so pissed at that guy.

725
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: Would you would go up to him and be like,

726
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: I meant a fense by not shaking your hand.

727
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: Yes, I would have gone to shake your hand. I said,

728
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 2: you know what, now the past review, I'm not shaking.

729
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: Your hand, and they do mean offense.

730
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: And by the way, go and look at the videotape

731
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: your wanka. I hope he apologized to her after the

732
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: match because he said he was going to. Of course,

733
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 2: of course, of course, he said, whatever.

734
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: Well, Coca lost to a player that I have to

735
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: give us to compliment, we said, Anna Kalinskaya is going

736
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: to be very dangerous this season, and she has gone

737
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: on to prove our points. She is very dangerous this season,

738
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: and she played a great match and beat Cocoa gov Yep.

739
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 2: She's a good player. And you know, speaking of coaches

740
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: that she's had for a long time, is Patricia Tarabini,

741
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: who was a former player on the WTA two or

742
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 2: one of my peers, a little bit older than me,

743
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: but really good coach, somebody that's been with her for

744
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 2: years and years and years and years, and they trained

745
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: down in Miami and she's put I know how much

746
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: Pato has put into making this player the player she

747
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 2: is today. Happy for that relationship because Collin skuy I

748
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 2: could have pulled the plug and gone with somebody else

749
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 2: and because she wasn't having the results that she might

750
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: have hoped to have had. But also Kellin skuy will

751
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: be the first one to say that she was a

752
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 2: bit of a nightmare, a little bit pissy pants, a

753
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: little negative, like the whole thing. But now now that

754
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 2: she's starting to actually see the benefits of behaving, working hard,

755
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: putting all the efforts in, we're seeing it and she's

756
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: a really good tennis player. And this was, you know,

757
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 2: a little bit of a surprise in some ways but

758
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: not in others. I mean, I think Coco's really struggled

759
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 2: a little bit. You know, She's either been really good

760
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 2: winning in Auckland going into the Strain Open, but she

761
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: hasn't looked great since winning the US Open. And you

762
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: know something, And I don't want to rag on Brad

763
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: Gilbert because I'm going to never hear the end of

764
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 2: it because they work with him at ESPN. But you

765
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 2: know him saying to Chris mckendrey at the Austraiin Open

766
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 2: when she said, well, are you concerned about the forehand?

767
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: And he said no, and he said, well are you

768
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: working on and he put his hand up and he

769
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 2: said zero, zip zip nada. I'm not going to Angel

770
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: I'm not going to work on it. And I was like,

771
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 2: well about that.

772
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: You know my thoughts on that. I think that Para

773
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: Riba did a tremendous amount of work on that forehand,

774
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: and I think that a lot of the improvement we

775
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: saw was not only from Para Riba, but a lot

776
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: of it was from Para Riba because I saw him

777
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: work with chin Win on it before he came back

778
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: to chin Win, before he went to Coco and he

779
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: does the Spanish thing where they work on the quick rist,

780
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: the quick wrist, the acceleration right before you hit the point,

781
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: right before you hit the ball, right before you kind

782
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: of the strings touch the tennis ball. When you accelerate

783
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: right there, that's when you get that extra rotation. That

784
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: helped Coco and not missing that was what made her

785
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: so strong. We talked about it a million times. Backhand,

786
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: great movement, great serve good most.

787
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: Of the time I can serve.

788
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 1: Not good, yeah, but most of the times very good serve.

789
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: She was hitting two hundred k's an hour I think

790
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: one hundred what is that one hundred and twenty miles

791
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: an hour serfs in Australia, but forehand sometimes not that good.

792
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 1: She didn't miss it in the US series, she did

793
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: not miss it. And then as the opponent, you don't

794
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: know where to go anymore, and it's just a nightmare

795
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: to play. And she's reversed. And we saw that again

796
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: in the match against Marta Costume, who was very disciplined

797
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: for most of the match except for in the most

798
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: important moment in just going there over and over and

799
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: over again. Who has the physicality to just run the

800
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: balls down even if Coco puts it back fifteen times

801
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: and eventually Coco would miss the forehand and I.

802
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 2: Or you would get such a short ball that you

803
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 2: could crush it anyway.

804
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I agree with you that. Well, let's see,

805
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: let's see whether it's maybe we talked about it in

806
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: the beginning of the podcast, is just the letdown after

807
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: winning a Grand Slam tournament and maybe she just needs

808
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: to readjust with that new type of expectation, or whether

809
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: it is something in the game really and you.

810
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: Know, getting her back into the US obviously with Indian

811
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 2: Walls and Miami, sh'll have tremendous support, so that really

812
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 2: does helpen and she does play great with support and

813
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: with the crowd really behind her. In the Middle East,

814
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: it's just like very just stay yeah, just nobody really

815
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: watches until maybe the final because you know who's going

816
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 2: to go and watch tennis in the Middle East. I

817
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: mean it's like you've got people that are either billionaires

818
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: or people that are working, do you know what I mean,

819
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: there's no in between the yeah so so or you know,

820
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: millionaires who don't want to watch tennis. But it's not

821
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: the best place to promote women's tennis.

822
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: But anyway, well let's move on to the last. Like general,

823
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: we're going to touch on a few results and in

824
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 1: the end, but.

825
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 2: Like when you take control of the producing of.

826
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: This, hey yeah, I mean somebody has to write. It's

827
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: just the two of us.

828
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: I had plenty of things written down. I believe, did

829
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: your German thing? I am, that's on a pad of paper.

830
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: This is I do. I mean, honestly, this is really

831
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: it's a proper become it's a problem. It's become a problem.

832
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: It's just like I'm writing down things when I when

833
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: I don't have anything to do, just to write something down.

834
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: So but let's move on another thing we talked about.

835
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: Actually in the last podcast were recorded together. You did

836
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: the men's final with Caitlin Hi. Kitlin was Rebeccina and

837
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 1: Rebeccina scheduling, and I wanted to touch back on that because

838
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: she kind of did it again, not in the same

839
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: manner as she did before the Australian Open. But she

840
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: went on to play every single tournament that was possible

841
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: in the Middle East and she played great. She won

842
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: in Abu Dhabi, she made the finals in Doha, and

843
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: then she had to pull out in the biggest of

844
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: the three tournament, the Master is one thousand, the one

845
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: where you do get the biggest points, the biggest prize money.

846
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: She had to pull out before the semi final with

847
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 1: a guestro and I can't pronounce.

848
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: That gas your enter writers, And I can tell you

849
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 2: this person talking right now had gastro in Dubai. So

850
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: I don't know what she had, but I want to

851
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 2: know because if it's the same as what I had,

852
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,479
Speaker 2: that's why. And I can tell you for two days

853
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 2: it was not a fun time. Yeah, I was over

854
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 2: there with Carolina and I was just like, oh my god,

855
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: I gotta go. Oh it was terrible. So listen, that's

856
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: not an injury, but it is.

857
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: No, that's bad. That's bad luck. That's kind of bad luck.

858
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: But still but still well, it's again this theme of

859
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: playing so well in the tournaments that lead up to

860
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: the important not that the others are not important. There

861
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: were big tournaments, there were five hundreds, yeah, but especially

862
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 1: Doha is a big tournament. A lot of top players

863
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 1: play there. But again, you know the because then if she.

864
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: Plays ab Adhabi and then she goes Doha Dubai and

865
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: then she has a wake up and straight into innuos,

866
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: there's a lot of tennis, whereas yeah, you're right, I mean,

867
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: if listen, well, I think more I keep an eye

868
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: on her schedule exactly.

869
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: I think that's what I want to say. I don't

870
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: think this has been a nightmare schedule. I don't think

871
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: it was a thing with as it was at the US,

872
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: at the Australia and Open where I thought she won Brisbane.

873
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: She was playing the best tennis of all the women

874
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: that have started the season. And why the hell is

875
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: she going to Adelaide. This is not this, right, This

876
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: is not the same thing. This is just a thing

877
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 1: that reminded me of her scheduling at the Austria and Open,

878
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: where I made a note, a mental note. This is

879
00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: something to keep an eye on. And and I'm just

880
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: afraid of the hurricane situation. I said it to you

881
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: before hurricane. Amazing, yes, amazing footballer. I love him so much,

882
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: great guy. He scores so many goals and he's at

883
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: Bayern Munich now in Germany, so that's why I know

884
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: this well. But he did similar things in England. He's

885
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: such a great scorer and then it comes to an

886
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: important game and he just can't find the goal and

887
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: he's missing big chances. And now well, and now he's

888
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: getting that reputation. He's not that young anymore. Now he

889
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: has gotten that reputation in England and beyond that he

890
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: can't score in the big games. And that's not exactly true,

891
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: of course, he has scored them big games, but that's

892
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: just the reputation. You always talk about a locker room reputation.

893
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: That's the reputation he has now and I hope that

894
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: doesn't happen for all.

895
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: Between the injuries and you know, going to Adelaide, she

896
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 2: certainly had a bit of an issue with her achilles.

897
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: You said that in Melbourne, and so yeah, one thing

898
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 2: I do want to bring out, speaking of tall, lanky players,

899
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: I want to give some props to Carolina Plishkobos because Plishkiva,

900
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: you know, has had a struggle over the last few

901
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 2: years with injuries, with talk about a lot of coaching changes,

902
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: Holy cow. But she's had a great couple of weeks.

903
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 2: She wanted inclusion and then she did well again in

904
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: the Middle East. She lost three sets to Coco, but

905
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: able to pull out against IgA with the with the injury,

906
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: I think to a rist I'm not sure anyway, Yeah,

907
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 2: it's nice to see her back because she had a

908
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: lot of points to defend in the Middle East, and

909
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: she was almost going to be if she didn't do

910
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 2: well outside of the top one hundred. Can you imagine

911
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: a player that good?

912
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: Talk about pressure, talk about pressure.

913
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: Anyway, she's managed to keep her ranking up, which is good.

914
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 2: So I want to just throw out a little well

915
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: done to her.

916
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: Well, and it has to be said, I think because

917
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: we are so hard on Rebecca, it is a lot

918
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: harder for these tall, lanky players. They do get injured

919
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: more because it's just they have to carry so much

920
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: more weight on this really tall size. It's it's really

921
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 1: not easy. So it's not only it's a similar obviously

922
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: not comparing size of a body with diabetes, but there

923
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: are just inherent challenges that you have with the way

924
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: your body is built. The positives a great serve comes

925
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: with some negatives that you do have injuries, and I

926
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: think Arelina was actually quite lucky for for a long yes,

927
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: for a very long time before.

928
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,479
Speaker 2: But yeah, but you know, a great week for eager

929
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 2: Shriantec last week again she came back out like you

930
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: said it though, it's going to give fuel to these players.

931
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: When you see Saberlenka win, you're like, fucking hell, I

932
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 2: gotta get my shit together. And she played great well.

933
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: And Rebeccina winning Abu Dhabi, playing finals at Doha, Ega

934
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: winning Doha and now again in the in the final

935
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: of Dubai. That's exactly what I want, And that's why

936
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: I want Rebuccina to be there at the biggest tournaments

937
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: because I think the one thing, yes, and I'm sure

938
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: she will, because that's the one thing I want is

939
00:43:54,480 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: I want Sableenka, Rebuccna, Coco Ega and possibly on when

940
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: she's back at finding the joy in her game. I

941
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: want them to play well at the same time at

942
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: the big tournament that we have a packed semifinals and

943
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: you can take your eyes off a similar vibe that

944
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: we got from the Golf Sabalanka match in Australian Open,

945
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: right where everyone the whole stadium was you could feel

946
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: the energy that was vibing off the girls because everyone

947
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: knew this is the match of the tournament, this is

948
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: the one that decides who's going to win.

949
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: That it would be nice to see like an eager

950
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: Sablenka or eager Rebekina Sabolenka Coco semifinals at the US

951
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: Open or something, and the place will be going new.

952
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: Don't you want to see that semifinals at the French

953
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: because I'm not sure how comfortable Rebarkkina and Sabolenka are

954
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 2: the French Sablenka, I take that back, probably should have

955
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: been in the final last year, so she can certainly

956
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: do it. I don't know Rebekina how comfortable she is

957
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 2: on clay. Her movement, she's not great on that surface.

958
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: So I think people can take advantage of that. I mean,

959
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: you throw in a drop shot against her, I would

960
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 2: drop short her every point, every point at the French Open.

961
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: So if she plays on.

962
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 2: Shibbo, she will lose, so just because she can't slide

963
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 2: very well. So sliding is a very important thing to

964
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 2: be able to do on clay, and if you don't

965
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 2: slide well, you're going to be in all sorts of trouble.

966
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, so anyway, hega, well done. That was great

967
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: Rebekina winning, as you said in Abu Dhabi. So the

968
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 2: top women are sort of putting their hand back up there,

969
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 2: going we are all good.

970
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: I think they got a wake up call from Arena's

971
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: forum are and we mentioned that Janik Sinner winning in Rotterdam.

972
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: That's a great, great showing in my opinion, after yes,

973
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: just after winning your first Grand Slam tournament, just going

974
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: out there, going out there at all and then winning

975
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: is I think really and he didn't he defend this

976
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: title to win the last year.

977
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: Can we just talk about Alcarez? I mean talking about injuries? Yeah,

978
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: I mean now he's done his ankle. They're all hoping

979
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: he's going to be back for his Netflix thing in

980
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: Vegas because there's a lot of money on the line.

981
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 2: But you know, Jesus man, he just it's a worry.

982
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 2: It's a real worry. And when you think about if

983
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: you had to put money on a player doing better

984
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 2: in their career over the next decade, between Sinner and Alcaraz,

985
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 2: I put it on Sinner. I think he's physically better.

986
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: I think he has more game. I actually think he's

987
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: a better all round player at the moment. The biggest

988
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 2: issue with al Karaz is his serf. It doesn't get

989
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: him enough free points. Yannick has a huge serve. I

990
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: think he plays a little bit too defensively on certain surfaces.

991
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 2: I think he is attackable to the forehand on a

992
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: fast court, running to his forehand. If you if you

993
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: compare Sinner and Alcoraz of their weaknesses, for me, Yannick

994
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: has less weaknesses.

995
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: Right the only thing that I will and less venture against.

996
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 1: That's true. And I also see Janik ahead right now. However,

997
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: what I will put against I think at the very

998
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: best both of them. Alcaraz has more weapons he can

999
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: play it than Do you think that, Yes, I do.

1000
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 1: He has more. He has more variety in his game

1001
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 1: for sure. Yes, he can play the high spin forehand,

1002
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 1: he can hit it hard, he can play drop shots,

1003
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: he can come to the net. He comes to the net,

1004
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: he plays serve and volley. That's all things. Janick is

1005
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: getting much better at. Yes, but it's not natural. It's

1006
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: not natural yet. So I do think that when they

1007
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: play at their best, it's the best drivalry because it's

1008
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: such clean ball shriking, and then Carlos bringing in the

1009
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: variety which challenges Yanick to also do a little bit

1010
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: more and a little bit different. I love the matches

1011
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: between them. I mean I remember the match in Miami

1012
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: and the US Open, all of them was that a

1013
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: semi final. I don't know. That was crazy, So I

1014
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: think that's a really good matchup. So I do think

1015
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 1: that Yanick has less, fewer weaknesses, but I also think

1016
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: that at the best, Carlos has more possibilities in his game.

1017
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: I think the Sinner has more upside because I think

1018
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: that Yanick has it can get better. Yes, at hitting

1019
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: the drop shot, which he's doing. He's implementing that fourhand

1020
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: drop shot, which is great. He won a couple of

1021
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 2: really big points against Alex Demonor, who's arguably the best

1022
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 2: mover in the tennis. He hit that a couple of

1023
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 2: times against him on some big points, a couple of

1024
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 2: break points. I think his net game is improving exponentially.

1025
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 2: I think Darren's had a huge, you know, influence in

1026
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: that department. So I think he's moving forward his drop

1027
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 2: shots and his variety his sliced backhand. He that's a

1028
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 2: work in progress.

1029
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you.

1030
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: Think about where's he attackable? Where do you win the

1031
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 2: point against him?

1032
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: You don't.

1033
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: You can't.

1034
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: Well you see it now, you can't.

1035
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,479
Speaker 2: There's no there's nowhere to go. He's like very He's

1036
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 2: like the same version of Novak Jo. Yes, that's exactly

1037
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 2: I mean, Novak improved his.

1038
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 1: Novak and Novak troubles al Chorazy. Even old Novak quote

1039
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: unquote is troubling al Choraz because he's so solid. And

1040
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: that's why I think Janik has been a bad matchup

1041
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: for Carlos before he found Janick Senna the Australian Open

1042
00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: chaternet Cet the Australian Open chap. I think, and I

1043
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: do think that Yannik, because of his solidity, is actually

1044
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: going to win more matches against Carlos than Carlos. But

1045
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: I do think put next to each other, Carlos has

1046
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: more yet as of now, has more variety in his game.

1047
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: And the problem is when you have that much variety,

1048
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: and you can probably talk more on that than I can.

1049
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: But I have a lot of friends that have that

1050
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 1: type of game. When your confidence goes off, it really

1051
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 1: goes off. Because I always yes exactly, so I always

1052
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: take myself as an example. I'm the perfect example. I

1053
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: had one quite one dimensional game, which made it hard

1054
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: to win against the best, but it also made it

1055
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: very easy when I was not playing well. I knew

1056
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: exactly what I had to get back on track to

1057
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: play well. I needed to grind I needed to be fit,

1058
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: and I needed to hit a lot of balls, and

1059
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: I needed to open a few angles, right, that was

1060
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: the thing that I had to do. Now, when you

1061
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: have the drop shot and the netplay and you can

1062
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: get kicksurf and you can hit fast surf and you

1063
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: can hit the forehand, but you can also play spin,

1064
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: and you lose a little bit of ca confidence. You

1065
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: get so much confusion in your head. And we see

1066
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: it with Aunts when she's not confident, all of the sudden,

1067
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: she's hitting the drop shots from five meters behind the baseline,

1068
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Speaker 1: from defensive positions instead of from inside the court. And

1069
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: that's a problem with people who are very talented and

1070
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: have a lot of variety in their games that they

1071
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: get confused when they lose confidence. Whereas somebody like jan Nick,

1072
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: if he one day loses confidence, which doesn't seem to

1073
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: be the case right now, he will know what to

1074
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: do to play well again. He needs to get his

1075
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: forehand and check, he needs to have a solid backhand,

1076
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: and a serf needs to be on point, and he

1077
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: will win most of the matches.

1078
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, for me, I had a lot of

1079
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 2: variety with the way I played, and so for me

1080
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 2: if I didn't have confidence, I was like, God, should

1081
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 2: I serve volley? Should I stay back? Should I go down?

1082
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 2: Should I slice? Should I hit over my back? There's

1083
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 2: too many choices, and so when you have no confidence,

1084
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: you're like, oh shit, what do I do now? When

1085
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 2: I got on grass, it was simplified for me. But

1086
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 2: I was calm, and I was like, I knew exactly

1087
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 2: what I needed to do every single time. Obviously I

1088
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 2: need to get into that not as much as possible.

1089
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 2: I needed to serve and volley, I need to vary

1090
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 2: this and that. But I was so calm, and so

1091
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 2: it was so easy for me to play on grass

1092
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 2: because I was finally all the ten shots became three.

1093
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 2: And so I think that when you have variety like

1094
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 2: Carlos does, and he does have so much right, it's

1095
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: almost like if he's not confident, he doesn't know when

1096
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 2: to go for it, he doesn't know when to like

1097
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 2: hit that. When he was playing great like last year

1098
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 2: when he won Wimbledon, and that he was so simple

1099
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 2: with the way he was playing, and then he figured

1100
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: it out on grass so quickly and grass became fun

1101
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 2: for him, and fun is great on grass, ons is

1102
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 2: great on grass because she can use her variety. So

1103
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: grass is important for that. But on a hard court

1104
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 2: or on a clay, you got a grind and you

1105
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 2: gotta be disciplined. And that's where someone like Janick Sinner,

1106
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 2: for example, he loves playing indoors because it just suits

1107
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 2: him so much. But he's good on every court now

1108
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 2: because honestly, I honestly don't see a weakness in his

1109
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 2: game now.

1110
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: The only thing we will see is on clay because

1111
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 1: obviously he hits the ball flatter. This is a quote unquote.

1112
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: He still has a lot of grinds. Yes, he grinds.

1113
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 1: I mean he lost to Altamaya last year the French Open.

1114
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 3: That was strange, but I think that was a very

1115
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 3: different well and also they were and looking back at

1116
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 3: it now, I'm so glad he lost that match, not

1117
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 3: because he lost it, but that he And this just

1118
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 3: shows me why he's so good.

1119
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: His mentality is so different until so many out there

1120
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: that I see where he thinks long term or he

1121
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,959
Speaker 1: has good people telling him how to think long term.

1122
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: They were teeing with his serf. You know how I'm

1123
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: missing the word, but you know they were trying tinkering

1124
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: with her serf. They were trying things out. He was

1125
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: doing the pinpoint decision and he was pulling his leg.

1126
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: Then he wasn't And that was exactly around that time

1127
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: when they were like kind of starting to figure it

1128
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: out but hadn't quite sure. And so of course his forehander. Yes,

1129
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: So of course you're going to lose a few matches

1130
00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: because you're trying, you but exactly.

1131
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 2: Investing in winning the Australian Open and winning and beating

1132
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 2: you know, Novak and winning Davis Cup and things like that.

1133
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: And so for me at the moment, he's the best

1134
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 2: player in the world. And you know, when Novak comes back,

1135
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 2: obviously he's going to be the guy to beat again

1136
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 2: because he's always the guy to beat, and he will

1137
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 2: always be the guy to beat until.

1138
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: He does he does. I mean when he's eighty. I

1139
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: feel like if he came back, I would still beat

1140
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: most of the guys just because he's smart.

1141
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 2: I mean, we don't know what's happening there. You know,

1142
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 2: obviously we're going to have two bulls going into this.

1143
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: Now you have to say one word under this. I

1144
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: mean you don't have to. But Nikos, retweeting Andrew Tait

1145
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: was surprise. Actually, I don't surprise me.

1146
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 2: I don't even know if it surprised me.

1147
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: Just that's what I wanted to be Okay, but that's

1148
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: what I wanted to know because I think we don't

1149
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: have to talk about what it means blah blah blah,

1150
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 1: because I think we all know that this is bullshit.

1151
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 1: But did it surprise you? Honestly, because I was sitting

1152
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,919
Speaker 1: there thinking that at the same time. Yes, and no,

1153
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: and this is weird. Yeah.

1154
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 2: Nick is that kind of guy. He's such a such

1155
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 2: a enigma.

1156
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: You know.

1157
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 2: It's like because we spent I spent a lot of

1158
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 2: time with him in Melbourne this year because he did

1159
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 2: a lot of work for ESPN, as he did with

1160
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 2: your sport and things, so you would have spent some

1161
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 2: time around here. He's very pleasant to be around, so

1162
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 2: pleasant to be around he you know, he can really

1163
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 2: have a nice conversation with him. He becomes like a

1164
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 2: little bit of a boy, yeah, a little kid. You know,

1165
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 2: seem very young, yes, you know when you're not in

1166
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 2: like a dumb way.

1167
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: No.

1168
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 2: No, he's less like interested or you know, wants to

1169
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 2: talk about stuff, and so you think, okay, he's not

1170
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 2: a bad guy. You know, Nick's the decent guy, and

1171
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 2: then he does stuff like that and you're like, what

1172
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: the hell, dude, this guy is up for like rape

1173
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 2: and and children and assault and trafficking children and or

1174
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 2: whatever whatever you think. If you think he's guilty or

1175
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 2: not guilty, you do not touch this guy. You do

1176
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 2: not go on Internet and retweet or say anything to

1177
00:54:58,800 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 2: this bro at all.

1178
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: Unless you want to provoke attention and provocation. And I

1179
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: don't know why he would need that. He had in

1180
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: terms of broadcasting and just attention wise, he had a

1181
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: great Australian open. People loved his commentary. People loved that

1182
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: he brought something news, a new kind of energy. It

1183
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 1: was new, it was it was younger, and he had

1184
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,919
Speaker 1: a great Australian open. So did he just did a

1185
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: week or two go by and he felt I don't know,

1186
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: left out, yes, or left out and he needed to

1187
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: It's crazy that was that.

1188
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 2: We also had the incident with Taylor Fritz liking a

1189
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 2: tweet about you know, I mean obviously slandering lgbt Q

1190
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 2: I plus people. Basically a guy had written something very

1191
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 2: derogative and and he had liked it. He had liked

1192
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 2: the quote from the guy retweeting or liking the bad tweet.

1193
00:55:55,719 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 2: And so he came back and said, and listen, I

1194
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 2: I know Taylor, and I would be I believe him

1195
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 2: when he says that he fucked up and he liked

1196
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 2: the tweet not looking at the tweet that was being

1197
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 2: retweeted above it. So let's hope that that's true, because

1198
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 2: that wouldn't be make me very happy. But I do

1199
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 2: believe him. And you know, just look guys, like when

1200
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 2: you're retweeting and doing stuff on the internet, you've got

1201
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 2: to be really careful. And you know, the nick thing

1202
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 2: that was just outrageous.

1203
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 1: But anything else you want to say, I don't know.

1204
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 2: Do you have any thing written down your little bit

1205
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 2: of paper?

1206
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: Well, I just have the one thing. Christia coming back

1207
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 1: from six match points and five to one down against Wonders, what's.

1208
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 2: Your biggest comeback? I think I might know this, but

1209
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 2: what's your biggest comeback?

1210
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I don't remember you put some of.

1211
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 2: Those snatch points down.

1212
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: Oh actually I do know that. So it was actually

1213
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: I won the tournament in the end, I won an

1214
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: Antwerp And by the way, Kim Cleisters, she was the

1215
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: tournament director then I have a bone to pick with you.

1216
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: So in the first round, I came from fat Cap

1217
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: and I had played Guydosova. Then at that time she

1218
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: was growth. I beat her eight six in the third.

1219
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: And then I came out the next day and I

1220
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: played Sam and I beat her twelve ten in the third,

1221
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: I remember, and then I played I went to Antwerp

1222
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: and I was thinking about pulling out, and they scheduled

1223
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: me on Monday night, so I played on Sunday. I

1224
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: traveled to Antwerp and I had to play on Monday night,

1225
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: and I no, I don't think that I had anything

1226
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: to do with him. I played a Belgium. I played

1227
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: Alison van Outank and I came back from nine match points,

1228
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: nine match points. I think I was down six, four

1229
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: or five too. I came back from nine match points.

1230
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: I won the match and I ended up winning the tournament.

1231
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: And here's the bone I have to pick with her.

1232
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: They had a record that was gold diamonds because Antwerp

1233
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: is the city of diamonds, so I had diamonds like

1234
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, one hundred and fifty diamonds. Put on

1235
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: this record, and if you won the tournament twice in

1236
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: a row. You would get this trophy, right, it was

1237
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: only for me to hold and then I had to

1238
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: give it back. But if I were to defend my title,

1239
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: I would get this record with the diamonds. And then

1240
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: the tournament wasn't there. Next Year's discontinued the tournament, and

1241
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: I was like, where is my diamond record?

1242
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 2: Well, they should have given you a little one that

1243
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 2: you can put around your neck, a little diamonds so

1244
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 2: you can hang on a neck thing. That's that's notice.

1245
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: I got zero diamonds. I got zero diamonds. But I

1246
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: did say, if that was the biggest comeback match point,

1247
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: that's impressive. What was your biggest comeback?

1248
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 2: My my biggest come I did know I have a

1249
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 2: great comeback down six match points, which now makes mine seempathetic.

1250
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 2: I should have gone first. Yeah, I was six match

1251
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 2: points indoors in Quebec. Oh my god against Lisa Ramona.

1252
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: That's crazy.

1253
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 2: In singles, I want she had six match points.

1254
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: Whether any of those on her surf, I don't think so.

1255
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: But where they like continuing So was it like a

1256
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: forty fifteen.

1257
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think it was always a

1258
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 2: single one six of them. But still yeah, and then

1259
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 2: I won that. I won that and I lost the

1260
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 2: Land and Leader coats in the semifinals, but six match

1261
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 2: points against Lisa Raymond. That's my best ever comeback, so real, Lisa,

1262
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 2: I rubbed that in so many times.

1263
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: So I've finished my list.

1264
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 2: Oh that's great. Well, listen, everybody, we are in the closet.

1265
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 2: As I said here in Brooklyn, we intend on trying

1266
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 2: to do as many of these as we can for

1267
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 2: you guys. We do really appreciate you listening to us

1268
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 2: and supporting us. And Indian Wells is coming up. Obviously,

1269
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 2: the tournament still hasn't finished in Dubai. Eagerson Tech looking

1270
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 2: very good there again, and now with Coco out and

1271
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 2: obviously Rebarkina out and Sabalanca out, you can't imagine that

1272
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 2: not Egason Tek's not going to hold up that trophy.

1273
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 2: But we'll see the men's tennis. There's still tennis and

1274
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 2: that's what we play, and obviously the guys are playing

1275
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 2: as well in the Middle East. So we look forward

1276
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 2: to Indian Wells Miami and all the big tournaments. You're

1277
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 2: going to hit pet go on Tennis Channel and me

1278
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 2: you're just gonna hear me here on the point. Hopefully

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Speaker 2: with Petco as much and as many times as possible,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna try and do as many as we can

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Speaker 2: for you guys coming up through the year. All right, guys,

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Speaker 2: thanks for joining us again Petco. What do we say

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01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 2: now we're in Brooklyn? Do we still say?

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Speaker 1: Jeez?

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01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 2: Now we're gonna do that together.

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Speaker 1: Ready, Cheers?

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Speaker 2: Thanks, Jeff, go, thank you, Jesco. Don't care.