WEBVTT - The Charity Cheat: Aaron Tonken 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:04.040 Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio Zarren. 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:07.240 You can't give in here, you get in here? 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:08.360 Was that? My girl? How you doing? 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:10.160 I'm great? How are you pretty well? 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:11.600 Feel okay? Greed for you? 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:13.960 I'm so happy for you. Do you know it's ridiculous 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:16.160 I do, Okay? 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:20.040 So you know how I love giving people life tips 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:20.760 and money advice. 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:22.760 Un solicitous. 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:25.400 I'm just going around well, no and all. Honestly, I 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:28.400 never really do that, but I find it amusing how 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:30.800 many how much media I consume where people are men 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:33.280 telling other people how to live and especially with money 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:35.320 and stuff. And then I found this guy and I 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:37.879 was like, this is exactly life advice. I would have 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:40.839 given a punk band on tour, but it wouldn't have 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:42.480 worked for them because they would have been a punk band. 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:45.120 But the idea would have been great otherwise, Okay, and 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:46.920 if they would have done your thing and acted like 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:48.960 they belonged to, act like they've been there before, act 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:51.920 like they know, it would have worked. Here's the life advice. 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:54.480 Keep all that in mind, you ready. Dude's name is 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:56.400 Jack Rains. I don't know why I'm giving him credit. 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:59.080 Be good, it's his words. So he does something called writing. 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:02.200 He writes Young Money the best finance blog you've never 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:06.280 heard of. Whatever. So this is from LinkedIn. Somebody who 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:08.679 I don't really know posted this and I found it amusing. 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:10.319 Anyway, here we go. 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:12.880 There was a screenshot from LinkedIn. I'm not on LinkedIn. 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:14.960 I don't even believe it with social media, I'm like, 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:20.560 come on, apparently people use it like Facebook. Anyway, here 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:23.119 we go. Quote. For the last two months, I haven't 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.560 paid for a single meal in New York City. How 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:29.960 is that possible? You ask? It's simple, free hotel meals. 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:33.440 New York has thirty six hundred hotels, and many of 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:36.520 those offer complimentary breakfast. By walking in and acting like 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:39.920 you're supposed to be there, you can simply grab bacon, 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:43.280 eggs and toast it any Hilton or Marriott in the city. 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:47.280 The real trick is securing free lunch or dinner. To 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:50.400 do this, you dress up a bit nicer and head 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:53.960 to the restaurant. Order whatever you'd like, enjoy the occasion. 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.720 When the waiter comes, he's going to ask card credit 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:01.080 or charge to a room. Say charge to the room, 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:05.120 then write down a random room number and name, and 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:08.959 make sure you leave before the payment processes with thirty 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:11.480 six hundred hotels. You can do this for ten years 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:15.799 without double dipping. Follow me for more personal financial tips. 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:17.880 I don't think it hashtag wealth hack. 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:19.400 I don't think it works that way. 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:21.760 It doesn't work that way. Room number, well, no, you 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:23.400 can do that. I do just traveling, and they did 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:25.160 exactly that. I just put it in on room number. They 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:27.440 didn't ask me for any Nope, it's just all on paper. 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:29.040 I just did this in a Hilton. 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:29.160 Like. 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:32.240 He's totally right about that aspect. Yeah, but it's still 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:35.600 the ready. It's not going to work for most people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:39.400 who would probably want to benefit from this exactly? No, 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:40.320 definitely not a punk band. 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.480 But who read whatever the four people who read? 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:45.000 But I did used to tell people who are on 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.920 the road, go into nice hotels and eat a complimentary breakfast, 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:49.400 grab some rolls for the road, and go. 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:51.920 That's smart, right. I used to in the city in 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:55.320 San Francisco if I back in the days pre you 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:58.840 know uber moved all that, when we're all taking taxis 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:02.079 and on evenings like Friday nights, you couldn't get a cab. Yeah, 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:05.360 I go into a hotel, come out and fact, like 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.280 I was staying there and ask the you know guys 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:10.480 in front of the bell hop or whatever to hail 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:12.919 me a cab, and I always get one. Other people 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:15.280 are all trying to flag him down the street totally. 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:16.519 I guess it's more of the doorman. 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:18.680 Than a yeah yeah, yeah, So that was the move. 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:20.680 That's a good one. I like, I'm gonna use that one. 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:25.960 Well, we don't take cabs anymore, I guess I do. Yeah, 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:28.640 isn't that ridiculous? Though? That is ridiculous. I like them 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:30.440 a lot. Do you know what else I like? And 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:31.280 that is ridiculous? 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:32.440 No, Elizabeth? What else? 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:59.000 Gerald Ford getting paid? This is ridiculous crime A podcast 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:03.640 about absurd and outrageous capers. I send cons. It's always 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:07.240 ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous. 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:08.880 Oh you damn right, Zaryn. 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:11.320 Yes, Eliza, I'm about to take you on a wild 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:13.040 ride a fever dream. 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:14.760 Yes, I love your fever dreams. 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:18.359 Researcher Andrea the Magnificent She described a lot of this 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:22.919 as surreal, and it is. It's so rich in eighties 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.640 and nineties celebrities that you're gonna poop yourself. 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:28.760 Should I get on my big boy underwear. 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:30.320 I'm going to read you a list of names that 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:35.680 are conveniently in alphabetical order. Paula Abdul Roseanne Barr, Milton Burrell, 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:41.360 Red Buttons, the Clintons, Billy Crystal, Celine Dion, Michael Douglas, 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:44.840 Betty and Gerald Ford, Wow, Michael J. Fox, Ja Ja Gabor, 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:50.240 al Gore, Kelsey Grammer, George Hamilton, Goldie Hahn, Gladys Night, Nelson, 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:53.880 Mandela Gregory, Pec, Rob rynder Niece, Rich Ray Ramono, Diana Ross, 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:57.799 Arnold Schwarzenegger, David Swimmer, Britney Spears, Rod Stewart, John Travolta, 0:04:57.839 --> 0:04:59.240 Tina Turner, and Mark Wilbert. 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:03.520 Why are you listing all my exes. 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:03.560 One thing in common? 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:05.720 I just told you what it was, herpies. 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.920 Oh no, that was a joke. They were all somehow 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:12.120 connected to the scandals generated by one Aaron Tonka. 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:13.080 Are you kidding me? 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:15.880 Yeah? I want to tell you about Aaron gulf of Tonka. 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:17.599 He's an industry Oh. 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.039 God, have you ever heard of Aaron Tonka. 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:20.840 I've heard the name, I've never looked into him. 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:24.040 He was born in nineteen sixty five in Windsor, Ontario, Canada. 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:26.880 He grew up in Michigan, just about you know, two 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:31.159 hundred and fifty miles or so. He was obsessed with 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.720 celebrities at an early age. When he was only twelve 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:38.839 years old, he started cold calling Jacqueline Onassas and other 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:40.880 celebrities like would get the number and be like, Hi, 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:44.160 it's Aaron. Do you have a moment? I love that. 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:46.320 He was desperate. 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:48.640 Do you think they ever had good conversations. 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:51.520 I don't think he had any conversation. I don't think 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:53.719 he made it. No, he didn't make it through the screening. 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:57.840 He wanted so badly to have Dean Martin performed at 0:05:57.839 --> 0:05:58.719 his bar mitzvah. 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:00.599 Oh same, I don't even have of bar mitsman. 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:02.440 I want that, and he just that's what he wanted. 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.159 But he couldn't. He couldn't make it happen. Nineteen eighty seven, 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:07.640 his dad dies of cancer. His dad was a doctor, 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:10.840 and he had a really difficult relationship with his mom, 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:13.560 and so he decided to just like split and leave. 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:15.560 He went to live with his aunt and uncle in Detroit. 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:16.560 Teens. 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:20.360 Yeah, this is what his aunt said. Michelle Sill's quote. 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:23.080 He drove to our house straight through without a nickel 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:25.159 in his pocket. He had to bust through the toll 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:28.280 gase because he had no money bust through. I love 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:31.040 the theatrics of that quote, like no, come on, He's like. 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.440 He's splintering like a film montage. 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:38.719 Totally, So he's like crashing at all these various relatives houses. 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:41.520 He didn't really get like a job or anything. Of course, yes, 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:45.719 and he care of he'd lie and he say he'd 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:47.440 say he was going to work, but he was just 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:51.240 going to like restaurant openings and press conferences because he 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:53.919 thought that celebrities would be there in Detroit. 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.240 Well, they do have the auto industry, so there might 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:57.920 have been you. 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:01.000 Know, like I had coca. Oh yeah, And so he's 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:03.080 hoping he can like rub shoulders with him and then 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:04.880 he would come home and be like I sold two 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:07.880 thousand pairs of socks today and they're like, that's amazing. 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:11.120 You set a record. He's like, I totally did. So 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:13.240 he wants to he wants to rub shoulders and by 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.200 that I mean hobnob not massage. Yes, of course he 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:20.600 wanted more. Though, what's more, Elizabeth he Arizona. He went 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:23.280 to live with one of his grandma's in Arizona. And 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:25.120 it makes it sound like he has a stable of 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:27.640 old ladies retainer one of his grandma's. 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:29.480 He's going through a platoon of old ladies. Yeah. 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:33.080 So there he is in Scottsdale, Okay, and it was 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:36.200 there that he met John Murphy. John Murphy drove a 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:40.040 nineteen eighty six corvette and he owned a silk pants company. 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.760 Oh so he's like a snowbird just cruising around Arizona. Like, 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:43.720 pick it up on old bird. 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:46.680 He has my new fake job when introducing myself a 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:48.760 purveyor of fine silk pants. 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:52.800 So I thought it was serious. He's aveyor. 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:57.080 We're sent dead to write serious that he's in an 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:59.880 eighty six corvette and he owned a silk pants company. 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.840 I love Saren, I'm telling you the truth here. So 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:05.760 Murphy is like, I like the cut of your jip. 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:07.320 I'm going to offer you a job. You can be 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.000 a salesman. Tonkin's like, let's do this. This is what 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:13.080 Murphy said. Quote. He was the best phone guy I'd 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:17.240 ever seen, just incredibly persistent. I've sat in his office 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:20.200 in l a And he's the fastest dialer I've ever seen, 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:23.160 just incredible. He just won't take no for an answer. 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:29.960 Fingers fly finger like lightning speed at that. That's what 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.240 makes you the best phone guy. I can tell him, 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:33.200 we're so fast. 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:34.440 You guys, and then I get to the hang up 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:35.880 call onto the next so quick. 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:40.360 So in nineteen ninety, Murphy sells the pants company. But 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:41.840 don't worry. I don't want you to worry about it 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:46.600 when from him, uh tongan, don't worry about him. He's 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.640 cozying up to Gilbert or Tega, aka the King of 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:56.480 Indian Jewelry. So he owns Gilbert or Taga Galleries, which 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:59.120 is the largest retail of Native American arts and crafts 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:05.040 in the world. We're talking turquoise Bolo ties for days talking. 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:07.640 He gets a job, a sales job from Ortega. Remember 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.600 he's got like fingers of lightning totally. And then he 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:12.280 even moved into Ortega's house. 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:13.960 Why not sure? 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:18.600 This is what Ortega's first wife, Linda Ortega said, quote, oh, well, 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:22.160 you know when Aaron moved into Gilbert's house. The way 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.400 Aaron got to Gilbert was he said his mother wanted 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:27.080 him to learn business before he could collect his trust money. 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:29.319 He said he thought Gilbert was the perfect person to 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:32.520 learn from. It appealed to Gilbert's ego. You know, you're 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:34.360 so great, I need to learn from you. It's the 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:36.600 same when he met me. You're such a great mother. 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.240 I wish I had a mother like you. You kind 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:41.760 of knew he was faking, but somehow he had this quality. 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:42.800 You felt sorry for him. 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:46.199 Oh he played that flip so. 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:50.160 Pretty soon the Ortega's they're over him. Okay, yeah, they've 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:53.800 had enough. This is what Gilbert said, quote he's very 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:58.319 very very very very aggressive. If that boy learned to 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:00.920 use his talents in the right way, he be a billionaire. 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.880 But man, he'll eat up and spitch you out. That's 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:08.360 a salesman talking, Gerry So talking. He eventually moved out, 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.120 but he owed them money, of course. And his next 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:15.719 gig he got as a marketing manager for Scottsdale Limousines. 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:17.760 And that's kind of like a good way to get 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:20.160 celebrity adjacent or prom adjacent. 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:23.640 Oh I guess like a Major League Baseball training you 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:24.760 can meet Mike Schmid that. 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:29.080 Way, very prom forward gig, and then like minor league 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:30.520 Baseball or major league. 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:33.480 Got a couple of ways. 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.240 This is what the owner, Eddie McCoy had to say, quote, 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:38.920 he was just a kid, a kid I hired after 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.680 he worked for Gilbert. He did very well on sales, 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:45.120 brought in several accounts. I was always leary of him, though. 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.280 He always wanted me to get into things. One time, 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:49.960 I remember he asked me if I wanted to have 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:54.000 breakfast with Grant Woods, the state attorney general. I said, why, 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:56.280 why would I want to do that? In his heart 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:58.280 of hearts, you can see Aaron was doing it because 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:00.800 he thought somehow it could help me. He was obsessed 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:04.120 with celebrities, anyone who was famous or important or powerful, 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:08.960 just collecting him as interesting. So one day, nineteen ninety two, 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:11.840 talking he shows up for work in a station wagon 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.640 that he said he bought for three hundred bucks, crammed 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:17.640 full of his stuff, and McCoy, the owner said, quote, 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.120 the day he left Arizona, he came by here and 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:23.400 he said, I'm going to La to seek my fortune. 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:25.280 It was the bravest thing I've ever seen a young 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:27.920 man do. I mean, someone who was so troubled. It 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:29.840 seemed to me that he had just run out of 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:31.960 things to do. He needed to find his way. So 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.840 he said, I'm going to California. I may be an actor. 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:36.760 I don't know, but I'm going to be a success. 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:39.360 Then he drove off in that old station wagon. 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:42.880 And that's the bravest thing that this man saw you do. 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:45.920 And he tried left Los Angeles. 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.760 So he gets a call. McCoy gets a call a 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:50.800 few days later from the guy that sold the station 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:54.880 wagon to Tonkin looking for payment. Yeah, because he's looking for 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:56.599 who's going to pay me for the station wagon? He 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:59.720 said to call you, and you bought it. So why 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:01.920 did decided that it was time to head to Hollywood. 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:04.760 I mean it's a natural thing for someone who's celebrity obsessed. 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:05.960 Oh, I don't know. 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:10.240 The impetus for him was that he had cozied up 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:18.679 to Angelica Houston's stepmother. Angelica Houston's stepmother, I guess she 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:19.480 lives in Arizona. 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:23.559 So John Houston's wife, the Bob I. 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:27.280 Expose, Yeah at some point. So he did a brief 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:30.560 stint as her assistant, but it didn't work out. But 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:35.760 when he was assistant to Angelica Houston's stepmother, he he 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:40.600 rubbed shoulders and he meant the holy grail of aging 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:47.400 Hollywood madness needed an assistant. 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:49.000 Would you believe me if I would have said, well, 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:50.960 you asked me, why did he go to al Ja? 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:52.160 I was pulling him west. 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:54.000 There was you could feel it. 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:56.199 I'm like, Lady the wonderhorse over here. 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:02.439 So 's an assistant. Tonkin needs a job. He also 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.040 needs a place to live, natural fit faster. And you 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:08.120 can see Kato Klin. He moved into the guest house 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.640 in Jajaabor's backyard. 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:11.920 He's like, have you seen these fingers? 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:16.560 Now he'd made it. So he's getting chummy with the 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:22.360 likes of Red Buttons and Milton Burrele. So assisting Jaja 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.080 was was already starting to hurt. I know, I know, 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:29.920 assisting Jajah is great, it's great work. But Tonkin's expenses 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:30.800 exceeded his. 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:32.880 Income naturally, and that's that's a risk. 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:35.080 So when Jaja would go out of town, which is 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:39.160 you know, pretty accident, Tonkin started going outside and waving 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:42.440 down those tour buses that drive by with like the 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:47.520 tours of those stars homes, star maps so and then 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:49.480 he'd be like, wait, wait, wait, look, this is Jaja 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:52.160 Boor's house. I'll give you a tour, and he would 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:54.720 charge the people on the bus to get out and 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:56.440 walk through Jaja Bar's house. 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.000 You know he's not watching them, So there's picket pocketing. 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:02.880 Stuffy Ja finds out because sees all of course Sar 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:06.680 he gets fired, but that also meant that he lost 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:07.440 his place to live. 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:10.720 So a reporter, why would he do that? 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:11.120 You know what? 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.079 I need to make money? 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.720 A reporter for the tabloid paper The Star. 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:21.320 All of her neighbors focus on the bus stopped Josh 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:22.520 in front of your house. 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:33.320 Only employee's house, the gardeners lawn. So this reporter from 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.760 the tabloid paper The Star heard about what happened between 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:41.600 zz Gibor and Tucking and like and as an agent 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:45.520 of chaos after my own heart, the reporter reaches out 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:50.200 to Peter Paul, former manager of Fabio, and says, you've 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:53.440 got to hire this guy, Aaron Tonkin. He needs a gig. 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:57.920 He's an assistant. Like how chaotic? Is that so good? So? 0:14:57.960 --> 0:14:59.840 Who is Peter Paul? Hold the merry? 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:02.120 Why did that names come from? 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:04.680 He's gonna start ringing a lot of bells. In the seventies, 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:07.800 he was an attorney in Miami and he represented Central 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:11.760 and South American clients. In seventy nine, he got convicted 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:14.600 of participating in the scheme to defraud the Cuban government. 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:15.920 That's a smart movie. 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:17.960 And then oh can I get a side order of 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:18.880 cocaine possession? 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:19.720 Oh, there you go. 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:20.840 So he did his. 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:25.160 Time, conscious figure, he does. 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:27.040 His time, he moves to La. What did you do 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:30.480 in La? Well, he did prod. He did what any 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:32.560 of us who just got out of prison and needed 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:37.240 a new start would do. He started charity foundations, including 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:40.080 one for Jimmy Stewart, and so from there it was 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:43.640 like an easy and natural jump to celebrity management. Of course, 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:48.640 so his clients, the aforementioned Fabbia Mohammed Ali. He was 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:52.600 Mohammed Ali's the manager for a while. So Paul, he 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:54.000 listen from that. 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:55.960 You're like, come on, is not getting better. 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:59.320 It's not going well. Paul listened to that tabloid reporter 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:03.360 higher Aaron Tonkin, why not talk? Got a desk in 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:07.640 the hall offices at Wilshire Boulevard. Assignment One arranged for 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.880 celebrities to make an appearance at a wedding in New Mexico. 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:13.440 Tonkin's ultiple celebrities at the same wedding. 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:16.720 Yeah, Tonkin's like hello, Pacific Southwest. 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:20.120 Okay, Yeah, this is my region. I've got friends. 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:23.400 He locked in Charlton Heston to give a Bible reading. 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.520 He got members of Kiss to provide the music, Like 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:32.840 what is this? What is this? Okay, so now he's 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.800 cooking with Gats like he has put this together. Paul 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.600 has connections Tonkin latches onto all of them. But it 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:42.600 wasn't just his employer who got him the ends. He 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:45.400 said he found a Rolodex in the trash and that 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:51.840 the Rolodex had belonged to Danny DeVito found found Rolodex 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:54.080 and he said that he copied all the cards and 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:56.280 then he contacted Big Danny to give it back, and 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.400 apparently DeVito was super grateful, Like if it happened that way, 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:00.320 this is a from. 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.640 Always Sunny in Philadelphia. I swear to god. I found 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:04.959 Danny Divita's Rotex in the trash. I called him up. 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:05.960 He wanted to beat. 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:09.880 Yeah, now we're friends. Sandra Taylor, Fabio's ex girlfriend, huh 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:13.159 said quote. He started throwing these smart little dinner parties 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:16.240 at the Beverly Hills restaurant Tattoo. The mix of people 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:19.960 was just amazing. Joe Maloof from the Sacramento Kings, Jermaine Jackson, 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:23.240 Milton Burle. He definitely had his regulars. 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.679 The maloof the owner of the Kings, not even like 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:27.160 a player, the owner, the owner. 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:29.320 Can we talk a little about tattoo of Beverly Hills 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:32.800 in the nineties it was the spot big Mickey Rourke 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:36.640 hang out, probably Christopher roknkor as well. What a time 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:41.080 to be alive. So anyway, not a lot of information 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:45.639 available about the supper club slash restaurant nightclub, but anyway, 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.560 look up Getty images for it. It's amazing. Yes. So 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.280 in the fall of ninety three, Tonkin and Paul they 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.880 organized a joint book party slash charity fundraiser for Ivanna 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:58.200 Trump and Fabio of course, which is okay, wine, sure, 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.320 sign me up, Gavin maloof He sent a seventy five 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:04.480 hundred dollars check to Tonkin for the Muscular District Association, 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:08.800 and so the charity never saw a dime, no, of course, 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:12.160 and talking kept the check the official check to him. 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:16.400 The official with the association claim that when she requested 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:18.240 the check from Tonkin, he told her. 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:27.719 GoF did he loved to say that to a charity? 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:31.719 Oh my god? The check oh my god. 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:36.200 Okay, so debt started stacking up for Tonking, figuring that printers, 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:41.080 travel agencies, photographers, actors, charities like everything he had. Over 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:44.080 two dozen separate actions were filed against him in LA 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:47.119 Superior Court. Yeah, and most of them were just like 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:49.560 you know, he took money for those services rendered. 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:51.639 He owes me eight thousand dollars for the car rental. 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:56.920 Yeah. May of nineteen ninety four, a Russian immigrant Alex Khakov, 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:00.000 he said he paid Tonkin twenty grand to help him 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:03.840 get into the movie business, which is so weird. Kodakov 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:05.920 though he never even made it onto a movie set, 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:08.440 and like, for years he tried to get his money back, 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:12.680 no dice. His lawyer said, quote, ten years later, I'm 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:16.120 done chasing that guy, like they kept trying twenty grand. 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:20.440 West Hollywood attorney Nathan Gawler he had opinions his girlfriend 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:24.480 Irina Maliva, paid Tonkin forty five hundred dollars to help 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:25.639 her break into the movies. 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:27.800 So he's just milking naive Russians totally. 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:29.680 And all she got out of it was an invitation 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:32.800 or two to like a couple of Hollywood parties and 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:37.640 so yeah, so her attorney boyfriend goes after him. Gave 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:40.120 up trying to collect though, because it was happening. Nineteen 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:45.040 ninety five, Tonkin through his own thirtieth birthday party at Tattoo. 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:46.119 All that before thirty. 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:49.320 Yeah, it was a who's who of young hot Hollywood Okay, 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:55.520 Leonard Nimoy, Milton Burrell, Casey Kayson, Alan Thicck, Bob Barker, 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.400 cast members from the soap opera The Young and the Restless, 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:01.199 and then friends and family from Arizona. Who was the 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:05.440 host for the evening's entertainment, Red Buttons, Red Button's son 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:07.800 Adam Buttons, which like, I don't know that. I just 0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:09.640 read that over and over again, just for a fight. 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:10.440 Ohone Buttons. 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:15.120 Adam Buttons. But yes, he worked for Tonkin as a messenger. 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:18.600 He said, quote, Aaron was out of his mind. Every 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:20.720 time I went to his office, Aaron was screaming at 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:22.320 the top of his lungs at someone. He had a 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:27.280 nervous breakdown every five minutes. Tonkin's uncle Sills but goes 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:29.679 to the party at Tattoo says quote, we couldn't believe it. 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:32.399 I mean, here's a kid, he had nothing, could go nowhere, 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:35.760 had obvious mental problems and suddenly he's in Hollywood meeting 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:39.640 hundreds of these movie stars. What a country, What a country? 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:41.960 Indeed we did. 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:43.960 Let's take a break. Can we come back. We'll find 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:47.000 out whether Oh courant stars were in Aaron Tonkin's orbit. 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:13.400 Welcome right, We're back to Hollywood cavalcade we're having here today. 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:16.320 Oh man, the stars are out tonight, Elizabeth, they really are. 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:19.359 They really are. So here we have Aaron Tonkin and 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:24.879 his messenger boy Adam Buttons. So we have Aaron Tonkin 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:29.200 throwing charity benefits with very cloudy accounting practices. A good 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:33.640 friend of Aaron Tonkins was actor Jonathan Silverman, who grew 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:37.560 up with David Schwimmer. So it was through that connection 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:41.119 that Tonkin he gets tapped to organize the nineteen ninety 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:45.639 seven Friends Helping Friends gala that's centered on the Friends cast. 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:50.560 Of course, it sounds absolutely nuts. Tony Alverti, a longtime 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:53.680 event security guy of Tonkins, he said, quote, people don't 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:56.480 realize how he did those events, Like he'll meet a 0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:58.560 guy named Roger who knows someone who knows one of 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:01.320 the guys in sync. Aaron tells everyone he has in 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:03.960 sync and people come because of that. It worked every time, 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:06.720 so of course he can't get in sync. So he says, oh, 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:08.440 they had to back out. But I've got Wayne Newton, 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:12.680 I got Natalie Cole, I love his like Switcheroose. 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:19.320 Shows. Who wants to hear Wayne Newton totally? 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:24.880 Zaren close your eye. Oh my god, Okay, I want 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:27.800 you to picture it. It's nineteen ninety seven and you 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:32.280 are Randolph Duke, the designer for Halston. You were hired 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:34.720 the year prior to revive the brand, and you are 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:39.520 exceeding expectations. You are creating minimalist, clean designs in the 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:44.679 iconic Halston style of relaxed urban discothech chic. You're fabulous, 0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:47.760 from your five o'clock shadow to your buttery driving loafers. 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:50.919 Some months ago, you were introduced to a man, a small, 0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:53.520 sloppy man. You met him through a friend of a 0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:56.520 friend and in a whirl of Hollywood, we should do lunches, 0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:59.000 and I have the perfect project for you. Somehow you 0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:02.200 agreed to dress the of friends for some charity thing 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:07.359 coming up. Jennifer Aniston, Phoebe the dark haired one wearing Halston. 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:10.959 Be great for the brand and for you. Of course, 0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:13.080 this Halston gig is great, but you have your eyes 0:23:13.119 --> 0:23:16.119 on your own collection. In the meantime, you're gathering contacts 0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:19.680 everywhere you go, amassing celebrity clientele that will hopefully one 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:22.719 day wear a Randolph Duke gown on the red carpet, 0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:28.040 and they will but first friends with hard r. So 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:31.560 there you are backstage. You've arrived early and the place 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:35.360 is buzzing with excitement. You and your assistants are directed 0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:37.560 to a dressing room where you set up glamorous looks 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:42.200 for the evening, strong red seguins, blush organza, spaghetti straps 0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:45.800 for barrious. As your assistants get things rolling, you cruise 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:49.720 around and schmooze. You're sipping champagne and complimenting Tony Bennett 0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:52.560 on his velvet jacket. When one of your assistants tries 0:23:52.600 --> 0:23:55.280 to get your attention, you brush her off and you 0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:57.280 keep working the room. You look over and you see 0:23:57.320 --> 0:24:00.399 Jennifer Aniston. She's emerging from a dress room and she 0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:05.840 looks stunning, but not Halston stunning, Calvin Klein stunning. That's 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:10.440 a Calvin Klein gown she's wearing, not one of your creations. Soon, 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:14.199 the dark haired one on Friends walks by. She's in 0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:17.280 a lovely dress, but it's not one of yours, and 0:24:17.400 --> 0:24:19.560 she's fully made up and ready to go. You scan 0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:21.960 the room for the man who promised you the friends ladies, 0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:25.200 and you spot him, Aaron Tonkin. You push by people 0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:28.440 and rush to his side. Why aren't they wearing my gowns? 0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:32.199 You hiss at him. What then, No, baby, I've got 0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:35.280 someone even better. He holds your chin and turns your 0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:38.439 face toward a dressing room. The door opens, outwalks a 0:24:38.440 --> 0:24:41.240 beautiful woman in one of your tasteful gowns. She's wearing 0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:45.000 those pink tinted sunglasses and her honeyed highlighted hair is huge. 0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:48.879 Who the fuck is that, you asked, Tonkin. It's the 0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:53.640 host of MTV's House of Style. That's not Cindy Crawford. No, 0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:58.280 that's Daisy Fantaste, much better than Jennifer Aniston. In say, 0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:01.639 twenty seven years, no one will remember who Jennifer Aniston is. 0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:05.760 But Daisy Flentes, MTV's first Latina vej host of MTV 0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:08.960 spring Break. She'll be a household name forever. You stared 0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:13.360 daggers at Tonkin while the bustling backstage chugs along around you. 0:25:13.359 --> 0:25:16.320 You walk toward the dressing room. Mister Duke, such a 0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:19.960 pleasure to meet you, says Daisy Flentes. This gown, it's extraordinary. 0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:22.240 When Aaron told me you selected me to wear it, 0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:25.080 I was truly honored. You smile and shake her hand, 0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:28.000 and then stride into the dressing room. Wrap up the dresses. 0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:30.800 We're leaving. You turn to Miss Fwents. Have your people 0:25:30.840 --> 0:25:33.359 drop the dress off tomorrow at my studio. You turn 0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:36.080 and head for the exit. An assistant trailing behind you 0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:38.720 slips a business card to Daisy Flentes. The address of 0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:39.840 the studio is on there. 0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:43.639 She tells her, dah now and tell Dan Cortez not 0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:45.240 to call me anymore. 0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:51.439 Not Eric niece now. Vanity Fair sponsored the event. Vanity 0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:54.560 Fair's executive director of creative Services at the time was 0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:58.440 a woman, Gene Carlson. She said, quote, I don't think 0:25:58.480 --> 0:26:01.520 we knew what we were getting. The event was kind 0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:04.040 of messy. Everyone's screaming at me. At the end, they 0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:06.399 ran out of gift bags, and it went on so long. 0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:09.120 By the time Tony Bennett got up to sing, most 0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:11.520 of the people had left. It was not the work 0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:16.080 of a prot Let's check in with Adam Buttons. What 0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:16.879 is Adam Buttons. 0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:19.280 Yes, Adam Buttons, he said. 0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:22.840 Quote, I will go on record saying I did deliver 0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:26.000 cash to a number of celebrities on Friends Helping Friends. 0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:28.480 I don't know how much was in those envelopes. I 0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:30.800 didn't ask. I will say I didn't like the way 0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:33.200 he did business. That's why I stopped working for him. 0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:37.800 Say more Adam Buttons and like sorry, make red proud. 0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:42.600 Buttons wouldn't name names. However, an anonymous source said that 0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:45.639 some of the receivers of his cash included Paul Anka 0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:52.400 Not It's just all the hot stars of the nineties, 0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:56.360 Lance basovn sing Oh Chare, and Natalie Cole. 0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:58.320 It's an interesting mix of the hot stars of the 0:26:58.359 --> 0:26:59.679 nineties and the fifties. 0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:03.959 Well, it was mostly. By nineteen ninety eight, almost a 0:27:04.000 --> 0:27:07.680 dozen charities were suing him in an attempt to get 0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:10.320 the money back from all these events that just he 0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:12.439 would get paid for that never even took place, not 0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:13.640 even the big like messalage. 0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:15.800 He's just faking. Yeah, what do you think in your 0:27:15.840 --> 0:27:18.280 quiet moments you're lying their bed. You've got twenty four 0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:21.199 charities trying to see in your life isn't care. I've 0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:21.920 made some mistakes. 0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:24.120 No, no, just got to keep moving. Shark in the water. 0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:28.280 He filed for Chapter seven personal bankruptcy. Oh yeah, you 0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:31.639 got a BK when you hit that. But later the 0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:33.480 whole thing got dismissed because he didn't show up to 0:27:33.480 --> 0:27:34.520 the meeting of creditors. 0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:35.640 How does that work? 0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:38.480 I don't know. And it was during this time that 0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:43.280 Tonkin met Cynthia and Hal Gershman. They're an older couple 0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:48.160 who happened to be multimillionaires. Agency No, they had shopping centers. 0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:52.040 They had shopping centers, okay, And they also happened to 0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:54.480 live in Beverly Hills. And they also happened to throw 0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:58.400 amazing parties at their house. Of course, posy's up. They 0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:01.560 check all the boxes. So according to a family advisor, 0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:04.280 which like PS, you know you're wealthy when you have 0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:07.879 a family advisor. When Hal was on his deathbed, he 0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:10.399 urged Cynthia to let Tonkin look after her. 0:28:10.680 --> 0:28:11.040 Okay. 0:28:11.280 --> 0:28:14.520 And a friend said later that when Hal died something 0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:18.800 changed in Cynthia. Quote Cindy decided she had been held down. 0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:21.480 It was a chance to have some fun. I want 0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:23.840 to have a good time. And be socially prominent and 0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:27.479 be an actress. She started taking acting classes. She was 0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:30.199 convinced she was going to be a movie star. Aaron's 0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:32.679 genius was that he listened to what people wanted and 0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:35.199 he gave it to them. Aaron was suddenly saying, I 0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:36.400 can do this, I can do that. 0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:40.280 Of course. Yeah, that's the classic con is like, hey, 0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:41.600 what are you feeling? 0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:41.760 What? 0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:44.320 You know? Not confident about what you would love to 0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:45.400 feel confident about. 0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:51.120 So Cynthia Gershman. She starts paying Tonkin in nineteen ninety eight. 0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:54.360 One of the loans was almost two million dollars. Yeah, 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:56.719 and in return, he tells her, We're going to make 0:28:56.760 --> 0:28:58.520 you a movie star. You're going to be known as 0:28:58.640 --> 0:28:59.480 Cynthia Palmer. 0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:01.000 Know you can make the movie. 0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:05.280 There's no spring Chicken whatever. You could make the movie. 0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:07.560 Well she did. She got her Screen Actors Guild card, 0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:10.640 and she had roles in like like a couple of 0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:15.920 minor films, including the Burt Reynolds two thousand film, The 0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:19.920 Last Producer. Oh wow, she's in that. So we're talking 0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:24.920 like big stuff. Her steps on, Cynthia steps on Ronald. 0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:27.600 He worried about how all this was going to affect 0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:30.560 the financial situation of the family foundation. 0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:31.160 So his inheritance. 0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:34.240 Yeah, so he starts reorganized and he splits it off. 0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:37.040 He's like, okay, here's the family stuff and then here's yours. 0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:41.000 Just go nuts exactly, and so with control over her 0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:43.360 part of the dough, then she just ramps up these 0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:46.560 charity donations, but many of them were selected by Tonkin, 0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:50.840 not her. And then she also underwrote his benefits and 0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:54.120 that was like he did Gallas honoring Gladys Knight and 0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:57.840 Milton Burle shows up all the time. Oh yeah, total, 0:29:58.160 --> 0:30:01.320 plus the Pips and the Pips underwrite them of course. 0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:04.720 So pretty soon, like Tonkin, he could get some of 0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:08.240 the biggest names in show business and politics for charities 0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:12.840 and political fundraising, get people come out. Natalie Cole introduced 0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:19.520 him to Denise Rich, ex wife of fugitive financier Mark Rich. Yes, right, yeah, 0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:23.440 Mark Rich, international commodities trader and businessman. In eighty three, 0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:26.600 he gets indicted on federal charges of tax evasion, wire fraud, 0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:30.480 racketeering and you know the little matter of making oil 0:30:30.560 --> 0:30:33.080 deals with Iran during the Iran hostage crisis. 0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:34.280 I didn't read all the fine print. 0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:36.800 Yeah, so he's looking down the barrel of like three 0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:39.840 hundred years in prison, no exaggeration, and he fled to 0:30:39.840 --> 0:30:42.640 Switzerland never came back to the States. He left behind 0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:47.400 his Democratic megadoner wife, Denise Rich. And you know, so 0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:50.000 it only makes sense then that around nineteen ninety nine, 0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:53.240 two thousand, so if Tonkin gets introduced to Denise Rich, 0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:57.440 Denise continues the celebrity chain by introducing Tonkin to then 0:30:57.520 --> 0:31:02.040 President Bill Clinton. Keep in mind that on Bill Clinton's 0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:04.560 last day in office January twentieth, two thousand and one, 0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:08.480 he pardoned Mark Yes famous exactly like down to the wire. 0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:11.240 So anyway, Clinton's wife Hillary, I don't know if you've 0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:13.840 heard of her. Hillary, she was gearing up to run 0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:14.720 for US Senate. 0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:17.480 Huh yeah, and how did her future go? 0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:21.720 Tonkin tells Bill, I got an idea. Okay, let's have 0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:25.920 a bunch of Hollywood gallas to benefit Hillary's senatorial campaign 0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:30.240 and New York. Yeah, the New York campaign. But we'll 0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:33.960 do this in Hollywood. Gershman said that she would underwrite 0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:37.280 some of the expenses, but Tonkin wanted more money, so 0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:40.080 he reached out to his old friend and employer, Peter Paul. 0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:44.840 Remember Peter Paul Byammy Koch Lawyer in two thousand. This 0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:47.120 is this is, this is where we're into total fever 0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:47.600 dream Terri. 0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:49.640 I just always keep picturing Jake Paul's father. I know 0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:51.680 he's not, but I'm like, that feels like it's Jake Paul, 0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:53.440 Peter Paul. 0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:57.520 On Peter Paul Mary. In two thousand, Paul started a 0:31:57.640 --> 0:32:04.040 multimedia company built around stan Lee God stan Lee Wow, 0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:07.160 creator of Marvel comics. Paul was working with Lee on 0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:11.800 the internet based superhero creation, production and marketing studio stan 0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:14.840 Lee Media. Okay, And so the venture was only around 0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:16.520 for like two years. It was the victim of the 0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:19.920 first dot com shutdown. So it starts in ninety eight, 0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:23.520 two thousand. The things are looking both great and ominous 0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:26.720 for tech, and so Tonkin and Paul they hope that 0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:31.560 working with the Clintons would increase stan Lee's profile and 0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:35.280 that they could get Clinton to join the board. Like, 0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:40.400 what is happening right now? What even is this? Tonkin? 0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:44.000 So he's like all right, he The story he tells 0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:47.080 is that the Gala got set into motion after he 0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:51.200 allegedly shared a limo ride with Clinton one summer evening 0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:53.280 in June. You know, who else was in the limo, 0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:55.840 Red Buttons Choka con. 0:32:57.560 --> 0:33:00.760 Yes, I could never guess. I just knew I would never. 0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:03.280 There's something about me that not a lot of people 0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:06.920 know is that every night I have in my dreams, 0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:11.280 there's almost always a celebrity cameo, and it's usually like. 0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:13.480 A d It's always. 0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:16.480 And it feels like one long dream that I'm in. 0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:19.440 So Shaka Cohn's in the limo with Aaron Tonkin and 0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:26.800 Bill Clinton evening, and Tonkin is like, because Tonkin's going 0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:30.040 with like to escort Chaka Khan to an event. And 0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:34.080 Tonkin has this conversation with Bill and it ends up 0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:36.560 with Bill Clinton telling Aaron Tonkin to go forward with 0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:39.200 all the galla plans. Let's do it. Let's have a gala. 0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:43.600 So ahead, Peter Paul and Tonkin. That's like an also 0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:47.520 Ran full trio. They worked with Hillary Clinton's people to 0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:52.000 prepare the August twelfth. It's called quote the Hollywood Gallus 0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:56.120 Salute to President William Jefferson Clinton. It's a fundraiser at 0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:59.400 the Brentwood estate of businessman Ken roberts So. It was 0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:04.960 hosted by Stanley Peter Paul and impending recall target California 0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:08.880 Governor Gray Davis. Wow, there were tributes to the Clintons 0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:12.040 from Michael Douglas, Goldie Hawn, Jack Lemon, John Traval to 0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:14.600 Gregory Peckan many more. 0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:16.120 This is fun. 0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:21.160 And then Stevie Wonders Share, Melissa Ethridge, Natalie Cole, Diana Ross, 0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:25.480 Paul Anka popping his head up again, Tony Braxton, Patty LaBelle, 0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:29.799 Brian McKnight, and Sugar Ray performed. Can you believe they 0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:30.520 got Sugar Ray? 0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:32.200 I cannot believe he was able to get his people 0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:34.360 on the y And. 0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:37.439 Can you believe also that Tonkin booked someone born after 0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:41.719 Hawaii became a state. It's amazing to me. So that 0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:46.319 wasn't the only Clinton honor that Tonkin had up asleep. Yeah, 0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:49.200 he also put together an event called a Family Celebration 0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:53.000 two thousand and one on April first, two thousand and 0:34:53.040 --> 0:34:55.280 one at the Beverly Wilshire Hotel, Okay. 0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:58.680 So, Brian Burrow, this is like, right when the Clintons 0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:01.000 are out of office, he's just trying to basically take 0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:04.360 his victory lap. He's raising money for his library, and 0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:06.359 she's using that as a time to basically also get 0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:08.560 donations for her senatorial campaign, So they need to be 0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:10.680 in the public. Yeah, so they'll take anything. 0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:12.280 Yeah, Okay, and they loved Hollywood. 0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:13.880 Yeah. I'm just trying trying to get why he's so 0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:14.560 keen to have. 0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:16.960 Her all these Yeah. So this is what it was. 0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:19.799 In Vanity Fair, Brian Burrow wrote a piece quote the 0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:23.400 stars poured in. Sylvester Stallone was there in a tuxedo, 0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:27.640 chatting with his fellow honorees Betty and Gerald Ford. The 0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:31.160 evening's co chairman, Michelle Pfeiffer and her husband Ally mcbeil. 0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:35.280 Producer David E. Kelly sat at Clinton's table with members 0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:39.640 of the McBeal cast. Nearby, MTV's Carson Dally M. Seed 0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:44.240 and Elizabeth Taylor and Whoopee Goldberg made presentations thanking Clinton 0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:47.000 for his years in office, and then came the music 0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:51.399 songs from Dwight Yoko Man Ray Charles. Toward the evening's end, 0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:54.200 Clinton put on a pair of ray bands, grabbed a saxophone, 0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:57.680 and jammed for an uproar is five minutes with BB King, 0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:01.160 who then performed a bluesy let the Times roll. The 0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:04.360 evening ended precisely at ten point fifty with an energetic 0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:05.080 set by. 0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:07.560 Insane Sandy Laupper close. 0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:12.160 So the main beneficiaries were supposed to be charities selected 0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:16.040 by Kelly and the cast of Ally McBeal, And for 0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:19.080 the uninitiated, Ally McBeal was a Mark E. Kelly joint 0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:21.960 about a lawyer played by Calista Flockhart. So he gave 0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:24.520 us Calista Flockhart, which means he probably said in motion 0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:27.800 her later romance with and marriage to Harrison Ford totally, 0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:30.680 which I feel like gave us Harrison Ford still peering. 0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:33.440 And it did definitely. And also the people who like 0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:36.080 when he went and saved their lives, like but he's playing, 0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:38.400 or like people with the golfers he scared in Santamonic 0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:39.120 when he crashed his. 0:36:39.320 --> 0:36:40.239 Because of Davidy Kelly. 0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:42.439 All that's because of this, yeah, is right back. 0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:45.400 Tonk can promised Kelly and his charities one hundred percent 0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:48.240 of whatever money was raised, but then Tonkin also struck 0:36:48.280 --> 0:36:51.719 a deal with in Syncs agents in exchange for their performance, 0:36:51.760 --> 0:36:54.759 Tonkin agreed that charities selected by the band would get 0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:56.960 fifty percent of the money raised, So one hundred and 0:36:56.960 --> 0:36:59.560 fifty percent of the gate is now spoken for. One 0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:02.080 of kelly producers found out about this a day before 0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:04.320 the event, and like Tonkin smooths it out, says, you 0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:07.080 know what, Cynthia Gershman's going to cover any funding gaps. 0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:10.200 So to bank roll the dinner, Tonkin got forty grand 0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:14.120 from Gershman, seventy five grand from la businessman Robert Lorsch, 0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:16.760 and another one hundred and fifty thousand from a foundation 0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:20.640 controlled by Loreen Arbus, daughter of one time ABC Television 0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:25.280 president Leonard Goldenson. The California Attorney General would later allege 0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:27.759 that much of the money was diverted by Tonkin to 0:37:27.800 --> 0:37:31.600 pay for expenses unrelated to the event. President Ford got 0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:35.600 his beak wet on it. What His agents at William 0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:39.799 Morris demanded four hundred thousand dollars for his appearance at 0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:42.920 the gala, what two hundred thousand to be donated to 0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:46.280 the Betty Ford centerlus another two hundred thousand for President 0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:50.560 Ford himself. This is a shakedown. Most people involved with 0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:53.280 the gala did not know that Ford was being paid 0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:54.239 to be honored there. 0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:56.120 Yes, usually don't get paid. 0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:59.840 No. And then, according to Sandra Fert and Gabriel the 0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:03.160 a Washington event planner that Tonkin hired to supervise the 0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:07.080 evening when told like Ford got paid. Quote, he was 0:38:07.400 --> 0:38:10.719 President Ford. That explains so much. I mean why he 0:38:10.800 --> 0:38:13.200 went to that party the night before and the breakfast. 0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:16.920 Oh that stuns me. That's so ghosh, one of my 0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:21.080 favorite insulting descriptors. Ghosh. I love her. So, a spokesman 0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:23.799 for the Fords confirms, yeah, he got paid, but said 0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:26.360 that Tonkin only gave one hundred and fifty thousand to 0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:29.120 the Betty Ford Clinic, not two hundred. Let's get his 0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:32.880 direct number. So Paul, Peter Paul said he wrote hundreds 0:38:32.880 --> 0:38:35.839 of checks to Tonkin, like two million dollars worth. Wait 0:38:35.880 --> 0:38:38.080 what Yeah? That they were to cover things like table 0:38:38.120 --> 0:38:40.719 linens and limos. And then the payments were later in 0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:44.759 the center of like Paul's allegations about the Clinton's fundraising missteps. 0:38:44.800 --> 0:38:47.279 But we'll get to that. So, coming on the eve 0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:50.920 of the Democratic National Convention, the event gets all this 0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:54.239 press coverage and Bill and Hillary they thanked Paul and 0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:58.000 Tonkin in person. Clinton described mister Tonkin in a videotape 0:38:58.000 --> 0:39:01.480 message as quote my good friend and in handwritten notes. 0:39:02.000 --> 0:39:04.960 Several days later, though the Washington Post they put out 0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:07.920 a story spilling it about Peter Paul's earlier cocaine and 0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:12.080 fraud convictions. The Clintons immediately distanced themselves. They returned the 0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:14.640 two thousand dollars in cash that Peter Paul had given 0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:19.360 Hillary's campaign. Paul's attorneys said that Paul asked Tonkin to 0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:22.680 approach the president about securing a pardon for his past crimes, 0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:26.080 but Tonkin, whether he did or not, isn't known. 0:39:26.160 --> 0:39:26.319 Yeah. 0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:30.960 Federal prosecutors later said that Paul participated in a scheme 0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:35.879 to manipulate stan Lee Media's stock price. He fled. Peter 0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:38.480 Paul fled to Brazil in December of two thousand, four 0:39:38.480 --> 0:39:42.719 months after the benefit federal investigators closing in. And it 0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:45.040 was during this time that Tonkin met one of Paul's 0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:49.840 oldest friends, a man named Stanley Myyatt. Let's take a break. 0:39:50.160 --> 0:40:14.719 When we come back, we'll learn about this. Stanley Mayott, Hello, Hi, 0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:18.759 how are you listen? Before I went to DJ that 0:40:18.880 --> 0:40:21.840 set of amazing ads, like all the hits, they played the. 0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:23.480 Hits he mixed nice on the ones and two. 0:40:23.719 --> 0:40:26.680 I was telling you about how Peter Paul hold the 0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:30.400 Mary had taken off for Brazil to avoid federal charges 0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:34.560 over manipulating this stock price of Stanley Media fever dream 0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:38.360 I told you and Aaron Tonkin our focus today. He'd 0:40:38.400 --> 0:40:40.560 cozied up to a friend of Peter Paul's, a guy 0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:41.760 named Stanley. 0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:43.000 Myatt, Yes, don't know that name. 0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:47.400 Myatt was known as mister Covert Operations because he was 0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:51.480 an alleged CIA assassin. He was in with the Italian 0:40:51.520 --> 0:40:54.479 and Russian mobs. Wow, he was a Wall Street scam artist. 0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:55.279 Everywhere he is. 0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:58.600 He was a loan shark, FBI and dea informant. 0:40:58.760 --> 0:40:59.799 Was he also a race car driver? 0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:02.160 This is Aaron fever Dreams what I'm trying to say. 0:41:03.239 --> 0:41:07.840 So the Philadelphia Mob boss, Ralph Natali, he said, quote 0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:11.239 Mayat was an insurance scam man. He was a Wall 0:41:11.280 --> 0:41:14.680 Street scam man. He bootlegged cigarettes years ago, made a 0:41:14.760 --> 0:41:17.399 huge fortune. He got into the marijuana business and went 0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:19.360 away for a couple of years. He came back and 0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:21.879 he went down to live in Florida and he made 0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:24.239 a big connection with Russian mob that came up through 0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:27.120 Florida and him himself. He came to see me at 0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:29.480 the Garden State Racetrack a couple times. Wanted to make 0:41:29.480 --> 0:41:32.520 a connection with us. The Philadelphia Mob with the Russian mob. 0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:37.279 And they have to do that at a race check. Yeah, 0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:39.040 legit not to know that those meetings that you never 0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:40.000 know where they're going to take place. 0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:43.840 True, And according to Peter Paul, Mayatt invested in dozens 0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:46.279 of companies. A lot of them were public at the 0:41:46.320 --> 0:41:49.680 request of FBI handlers because the Feds wanted to peek 0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:52.000 under the hood, and then Mayatt got him in there, 0:41:52.239 --> 0:41:54.480 and according to Paul, the FBI looked the other way 0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:58.239 while Mayatt quote looted the company. And how does Paul 0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:00.279 know this, he said, because he also worked for the 0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:02.759 FBI in the early eighties. And I also it was 0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:05.000 the early eighties. We were all working for the f 0:42:05.160 --> 0:42:07.759 It was a different time. He said that Mayatt was 0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:10.759 his supervisor and that they worked together off and on 0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:13.680 ever since. And in fact, he said that two of 0:42:13.719 --> 0:42:17.960 them investigated mafia influenced in Hollywood during the nineties, and 0:42:18.000 --> 0:42:21.160 by investigated, I think he means participated in This is 0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:24.800 my guess. So, when being interviewed about working with Tonkin, 0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:27.920 Miyatt said, quote, I don't believe I did anything, sinister. 0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:30.400 I guess you'll get some things right and something's wrong. 0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:32.320 It just doesn't make any sense for me to answer 0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:33.040 any questions. 0:42:33.160 --> 0:42:33.719 It really does. 0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:38.600 It really doesn't make any sense. Mayatt had a Philadelphia 0:42:38.680 --> 0:42:40.480 based hip hop music company. 0:42:40.560 --> 0:42:41.800 I'm gonna need you to say that again. 0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:46.280 A Philadelphia based hip hop music company called Antra Records, 0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:49.400 best known for marketing the rapper Corrupt. 0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:51.120 Oh wow, oh yes, I know. 0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:54.160 Yeah. Two thousand and one, he closed up shop and 0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:57.160 he Mayatt met with Tonkin because he wanted to break 0:42:57.200 --> 0:42:59.640 into the LA music scene. He had a new LA 0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:04.479 company he called OFC Incorporated Organized Crime Family. Oh yeah, 0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:07.319 so auditors they later go in search of, like the 0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:10.520 missing money from a family celebration two thousand and one, 0:43:10.560 --> 0:43:14.280 the bogus ally mcbeil scala. They found out that hundreds 0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:17.200 of thousands of dollars passed through accounts controlled by Myatt, 0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:21.239 who identified himself as Tonkin's money manager. Oh yeah, it's 0:43:21.280 --> 0:43:22.120 always inconvenient. 0:43:22.200 --> 0:43:24.560 Yeah, it's like being a family advisor cover so many. 0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:27.120 Things, so many things. According to Peter Paul, Myyatt quote 0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:29.759 controlled Tonkin and used him to infiltrate the music and 0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:31.560 entertainment communities for the FBI. 0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:35.000 Huh, so curious or and curious. 0:43:35.160 --> 0:43:38.000 Mayat was also He was a source of funds for 0:43:38.040 --> 0:43:41.719 a family celebration two thousand and one, providing more than 0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:45.040 one hundred thousand dollars in cash, much of which went 0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:50.680 to Sylvester Stallone and Ray Charles demanded before they would appear, they. 0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:52.600 Did that, James Brown, pay me or I'm not showing up. 0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:56.279 Yeah, Sandra Ferton in cash, Yeah, Sandra Ferton. Gabriel, that 0:43:56.320 --> 0:43:59.080 event producer. She said she saw Tonkin pull cash out 0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:01.520 of the pocket of his g and he gave twenty 0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:04.200 grand to Ray Charles. She said, quote, I was floored, 0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:06.000 but that was just how Aaron did things. 0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:07.719 Also, if you, I mean Ray Charles, if you grew 0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:09.520 up on the Chitlin circuit, you're going to be paid 0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:10.640 for your favors. Hit those. 0:44:11.560 --> 0:44:15.239 Stallone's attorney said. Stallone like the thirty grand that he got. 0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:17.960 He had kind of earmarked it to pay for medical 0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:22.640 expenses of the relative of one of his housekeepers. Oh okay, sure, okay. 0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:25.520 And then the remaining sixty g's was supposed to be 0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:30.040 covering the trips that Tonkin promised two members of David E. 0:44:30.160 --> 0:44:35.360 Kelly's production staff. So, according to an anonymous source, I 0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:38.719 love those These are just one example of how celebrities 0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:42.520 took incredible advantage of Aaron. I mean, these were charitable 0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:46.759 events and everyone from Gerald Ford to Sylvester Stallone had 0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:49.320 their hands out taking money from charity. 0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:51.200 Well, it does give you a sense of what their 0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:52.719 life is the rest of the time when they're not 0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:53.319 around him. 0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:55.239 Yeah, yeah, He's not the only one. 0:44:55.239 --> 0:44:56.720 They're doing this too, and when. 0:44:56.600 --> 0:44:59.879 It's not even supposed to be for charity, really knives out. 0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:03.840 So Tonkin he gets he's facing federal charges of fraud, 0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:06.239 one for mail fraud and the other for wire fraud. 0:45:06.960 --> 0:45:10.240 According to the indictment, in September of two thousand, Tonkin 0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:12.879 got five hundred and fifty thousand dollars for an event 0:45:12.960 --> 0:45:16.520 to honor Diana Ross and he promised three charities that 0:45:16.560 --> 0:45:18.960 they would receive all the proceeds. But the event never 0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:22.120 even took place, and so Tonkin took a plea deal, 0:45:22.600 --> 0:45:24.840 and on December ninth, two thousand and three, he's thirty 0:45:24.880 --> 0:45:27.880 eight years old, he pleads guilty to the two federal charges. 0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:31.960 During a thirty five minute appearance before Judge Dale Fisher 0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:35.799 in federal court. He admitted that he misrepresented himself in 0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:38.520 his purposes when he was like getting all these donors. 0:45:38.560 --> 0:45:40.480 When the judge asked like, well, what was your intent, 0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:44.800 he just flatly replied, to defraud. I'm just going to 0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:45.120 say it. 0:45:45.160 --> 0:45:46.239 I'm just going to lay it out there. 0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:49.120 And then Tonkin also caught state charges. He was accused 0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:53.040 of defrauding a bunch of like potential beneficiaries, including the 0:45:53.080 --> 0:45:56.360 Betty Ford Center, of at least one point five million. 0:45:56.760 --> 0:45:59.120 And for those charges, he was up against like maybe 0:45:59.200 --> 0:46:01.640 ten years in prison as well as half a million 0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:05.279 dollars fine, and then on top of that restitution for 0:46:05.360 --> 0:46:08.160 the victims. Isn't that right he's got back? Oh yeah, 0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:13.680 So all these charities, and of course Tonkin wrote a book, is. 0:46:13.600 --> 0:46:15.600 Now a qualified author? He's got charges against you. 0:46:17.239 --> 0:46:20.040 Two thousand and four, his book King of Cons came out, 0:46:20.480 --> 0:46:24.320 and he wrote that he would use cash, luxury vacations, jewelry, 0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:27.879 political donations to lure celebrities to his fundraisers and then 0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:31.480 that would then raise his profile. Quote, my bill at 0:46:31.520 --> 0:46:34.600 Cardier was a million dollars. I was handing out Hawaii 0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:37.000 trips like someone would hand out their business cards to 0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:40.040 these celebrities and their hangars on. I call it taking 0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:41.600 from the needy to feed the greedy. 0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:45.120 Wow, what he just said it? 0:46:45.280 --> 0:46:49.040 Uh huh. So in order to get Arnold Schwarzenegger at 0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:51.719 a charity event in September of two thousand and two, 0:46:51.760 --> 0:46:54.920 and this is before he was governor, cause he said 0:46:55.400 --> 0:46:57.719 that Tonkin said he first had to make a contribution 0:46:57.800 --> 0:47:00.640 to a campaign that Arnold had for a state ballot 0:47:00.640 --> 0:47:04.480 proposition to promote after school sports programs, which I vaguely remember, 0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:07.160 and that's when we all kind of knew this guy 0:47:07.239 --> 0:47:10.520 is going to do it. State election records confirmed that 0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:15.760 Tonkin gave a contribution of sixty five hundred dollars. What, Yeah, 0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:21.640 that's huge. An assistant US attorney who specializes in major 0:47:21.680 --> 0:47:25.800 fraud cases, Joseph Zwicker, he said in court that Tonkin 0:47:25.840 --> 0:47:30.040 gave quote false promises to potential underwriters and that they 0:47:30.040 --> 0:47:32.880 are the charities that they represented would benefit you know 0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:35.120 that he's all this fake things, sometimes as much as 0:47:35.120 --> 0:47:38.440 four hundred thousand dollars. And then Zwicker said that Tonkin 0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:41.800 and his associates who weren't identified, would then divert some 0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:44.359 er all the money to himselves, like basically laying out 0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:49.200 what we've just seen. Zicker would not identify Tonkin's associates, 0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:51.840 but he did say that they were being investigated. And 0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:55.600 so Tonkin, he starts getting these email threats and two 0:47:55.640 --> 0:47:59.600 of them were supposedly sent by these associates under investigation. 0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:03.359 The government looks into it, they're like, you faked these, 0:48:03.400 --> 0:48:06.160 You sent these to yourself. And so as a result, 0:48:06.280 --> 0:48:09.759 Tonkin was no longer seen as important to the government's investigation, 0:48:10.239 --> 0:48:14.240 and that means he's on his own. So he's insisting 0:48:14.280 --> 0:48:16.600 that the threats were real, but the Feds are over him. 0:48:16.680 --> 0:48:20.240 His deal evaporates. The prosecutors would not reduce his sentence, 0:48:20.480 --> 0:48:22.600 and they were also really pissed off about the book deal. 0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:24.840 Oh course, this is what Zwicker said, quote, if he 0:48:24.920 --> 0:48:27.120 sells his story for money, that would have an impact 0:48:27.160 --> 0:48:30.040 on his credibility with a jury. So like, we're not 0:48:30.080 --> 0:48:35.280 gonna you can't be like state's evidence. Alan Rubin, Tonkin's attorney, 0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:38.960 said Tonkin kept just quote a very small amount of 0:48:39.000 --> 0:48:42.080 the money raised from all the fundraising events, and he 0:48:42.120 --> 0:48:45.360 said that tonkins take amounted to quote less than five percent, 0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:47.759 though he didn't do the math and say with the 0:48:47.760 --> 0:48:49.680 original number of like, what's five percent. 0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:51.840 One million dollars is a very small amount compared to 0:48:51.880 --> 0:48:52.600 one billion dollars. 0:48:53.560 --> 0:48:56.960 It's all relative. George Byrd, another lawyer of Tonkins. He 0:48:57.040 --> 0:48:59.360 issued a statement saying that it was the politicians and 0:48:59.400 --> 0:49:03.160 the celebrity who quote benefited from Aaron's work. Unfortunately, the 0:49:03.239 --> 0:49:05.520 charities did not receive the funds that rightfully should have 0:49:05.560 --> 0:49:07.920 gone to them due to the greed of celebrities themselves, 0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:11.680 which you know, he's not wrong. So Ruben said, Tonkin 0:49:11.719 --> 0:49:15.000 didn't waste the money do flashy things. At the time 0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:17.120 this all went down, Tonkin lived in a nine hundred 0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:20.760 dollars a month apartment. Really, yeah, and I did not expect. 0:49:20.920 --> 0:49:21.120 Yeah. 0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:24.000 But then he also hired three thousand dollars a night escorts. 0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:28.640 Wait what yeah, three thousand dollars a night, yeah, escorts. Yeah, 0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:30.359 but three thousand dollars a night. 0:49:30.600 --> 0:49:33.359 Yeah, what they're doing. 0:49:33.520 --> 0:49:36.799 That's like a circ of sleat stuff. I mean, that's incredible. 0:49:37.120 --> 0:49:40.920 So Ruben described Tonkin, who would not speak to reporters, 0:49:41.000 --> 0:49:44.560 is quote extremely remorseful about his conduct in the case. 0:49:44.680 --> 0:49:46.960 And then he said he played guilty because quote it 0:49:47.000 --> 0:49:50.360 was important for him to admit and accept responsibility. Aaron 0:49:50.400 --> 0:49:52.640 did something wrong, but he came in and faced the 0:49:52.760 --> 0:49:55.480 music and accepted his punishment. There were a lot more 0:49:55.520 --> 0:49:58.120 people involved in this than Aaron Tonkin. We just hope 0:49:58.120 --> 0:50:00.600 the government does not leave him as the old We're 0:50:00.600 --> 0:50:02.960 hopeful that things can work out in the future and 0:50:03.000 --> 0:50:06.280 then other people who've been involved criminally will get their punishment. 0:50:07.719 --> 0:50:10.520 August twenty fourth, two thousand and four, Yes, talking, he 0:50:10.560 --> 0:50:13.480 gets sentenced to sixty three months in federal prison. Okay 0:50:13.760 --> 0:50:17.160 for you know, all the scams with the charities. He 0:50:17.239 --> 0:50:19.520 had to pay three point eight million in restitution. 0:50:19.760 --> 0:50:21.879 Ooh does he even have any close to them? Think? 0:50:21.960 --> 0:50:24.839 So he apologized in court and he said that he 0:50:24.920 --> 0:50:27.640 was excited for his life to quote move forward into 0:50:27.640 --> 0:50:30.560 a new chapter. September twenty second, two thousand and four, 0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:33.680 he starts serving his sentence federal facility in Kentucky. You 0:50:33.680 --> 0:50:34.759 know low scarities got. 0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:37.239 Five and a quarter years ago. I mean that's it's 0:50:37.239 --> 0:50:38.240 going to be out in a couple. 0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:39.520 Oh no, he was two thousand and four is when 0:50:39.520 --> 0:50:42.719 he went in, and he had for five years, so 0:50:43.040 --> 0:50:45.759 he was out twenty ten. He's out, and the LA 0:50:45.880 --> 0:50:49.000 Times runs this huge interview with him and they proclaim 0:50:49.080 --> 0:50:52.000 him reformed. And in search of redemption, and he was 0:50:52.040 --> 0:50:54.680 apparently trying to help his victims get their money back. 0:50:54.760 --> 0:50:57.040 He's like, let's work together to get the restitution because 0:50:57.040 --> 0:51:00.000 I don't have it, but I know who does. Vegas 0:51:00.200 --> 0:51:04.400 legend Wayne Newton is quoted in the article quote, I 0:51:04.440 --> 0:51:06.759 am on that short list of people who want to 0:51:06.760 --> 0:51:08.880 see him put his life back in order. I would 0:51:08.880 --> 0:51:10.680 work with him anytime, anywhere. 0:51:10.920 --> 0:51:12.160 Why Wayne, Why. 0:51:12.040 --> 0:51:13.600 I don't know. But then on the other hand, we 0:51:13.640 --> 0:51:16.920 have Martin Gubb, a businessman who gave Tonkin cash for 0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:19.480 a Celine Dion fundraiser that never happened. 0:51:19.680 --> 0:51:20.520 From the Gub report. 0:51:20.680 --> 0:51:23.799 Yeah, quote, I hope he doesn't get his life back. 0:51:23.880 --> 0:51:25.360 What he did is beyond words. 0:51:25.640 --> 0:51:25.879 Yeah. 0:51:25.880 --> 0:51:28.800 So yes, we're gonna have both. It's unclear what became 0:51:28.840 --> 0:51:32.000 of Tonkin, Like, you know, he he doesn't have like 0:51:32.040 --> 0:51:33.960 a social media presence that I could finance, like an 0:51:33.960 --> 0:51:37.120 old Twitter account. He hasn't touched in ages. Part of 0:51:37.160 --> 0:51:40.000 his probation was that he was barred from fundraising or 0:51:40.000 --> 0:51:43.080 handling money for nonprofits. Oh but he could act as 0:51:43.080 --> 0:51:43.879 a consultant. 0:51:44.160 --> 0:51:46.759 Oh well come on, come on, yeah, Oh he said 0:51:47.160 --> 0:51:49.000 he doesn't get to touch the money. Yeah, that's essentially 0:51:49.000 --> 0:51:49.399 what you did. 0:51:49.480 --> 0:51:51.600 In twenty ten, he was also pitching a line of 0:51:51.600 --> 0:51:56.160 dietary supplements, of course, and then a year later, twenty eleven, 0:51:56.239 --> 0:51:58.200 he was involved in some sort of thing suing the 0:51:58.239 --> 0:52:09.040 insurance company for the old socialite Ladies Life insurancea Cynthia, No, 0:52:09.160 --> 0:52:13.319 the one he was Cynthia. Okay, yeah, so that I'm 0:52:13.360 --> 0:52:16.480 throwing in new celebrities exactly. I know, well she I'm surprised. 0:52:16.080 --> 0:52:18.200 She left her money to like a cat or or something, 0:52:18.320 --> 0:52:18.640 a dog. 0:52:18.680 --> 0:52:22.880 I think it's amazing horrible. So anyway, Yeah, so he 0:52:22.960 --> 0:52:24.840 was trying to get that out. He's just kind of 0:52:24.920 --> 0:52:27.480 dropped off. You can't find them interesting. But yeah, wherever 0:52:27.480 --> 0:52:29.480 he is, I hope he's doing well and not scamming folks. 0:52:29.520 --> 0:52:31.920 I hope he's reformed somewhat. It feels better about himself. 0:52:31.920 --> 0:52:34.760 What's your takeaway, Zaron in the ridiculous type of takeaway? 0:52:35.200 --> 0:52:38.560 Well, you know, thanks for asking Elizabeth the When I 0:52:38.600 --> 0:52:41.319 was down in Hollywood, I learned really quickly that I 0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:43.520 had an advantage of her a lot of people, which 0:52:43.560 --> 0:52:47.240 is that I don't give a flying a fig about 0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:49.360 a celebrity. All I see is a person with a 0:52:49.360 --> 0:52:52.120 big head, and I oh, literally a physically big head. 0:52:52.360 --> 0:52:55.200 They often the TV actors in particular, have oversized that 0:52:55.280 --> 0:52:57.520 it's one of their secrets. But I could be in 0:52:57.520 --> 0:52:59.239 a room with no matter who and I was like, 0:52:59.480 --> 0:53:01.520 I don't care. I mean, they're just a person. But 0:53:01.760 --> 0:53:04.840 most people are like this cat in one way or another. 0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:07.440 They either want to leverage the celebrity. They want to 0:53:07.480 --> 0:53:10.279 be made to feel important, to feel good. They want 0:53:10.320 --> 0:53:12.439 to reject the celebrity like I don't care about them, 0:53:12.760 --> 0:53:14.840 and personally I would either way. They're just a person 0:53:14.880 --> 0:53:17.160 to me. I didn't feel negative or positive about that, 0:53:17.200 --> 0:53:18.839 And so the people who wanted to pose me like, oh, 0:53:18.840 --> 0:53:20.200 I don't want to be around them were just as 0:53:20.239 --> 0:53:22.359 pretentious as that people who wanted to be around them. Right, 0:53:22.480 --> 0:53:26.520 everybody had to position themselves relative to the celebrity. Because 0:53:26.520 --> 0:53:28.160 of that, all these celebrities always talk to me in 0:53:28.200 --> 0:53:30.120 social functions because I was the only one not trying 0:53:30.160 --> 0:53:32.040 to talk to them or trying to ignore them. I 0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:34.040 was just like, Gid, you hand me that napkin, and 0:53:34.040 --> 0:53:35.719 they'd be like, well, so then we start talking. So 0:53:35.840 --> 0:53:38.000 this guy is interesting to me in the sense that 0:53:38.320 --> 0:53:41.680 he reminds me of the benefit of not giving a 0:53:41.719 --> 0:53:45.719 care about a celebrity. You're free, look teenie and free. 0:53:46.120 --> 0:53:46.960 What's yours? Elizabeth? 0:53:47.000 --> 0:53:49.640 What's your ridiculous ex ass? 0:53:49.640 --> 0:53:50.000 Try it out. 0:53:50.040 --> 0:53:53.440 Sometimes I think it's just backs up my suspicion of 0:53:53.480 --> 0:53:56.480 a lot of charities. Anytime you see like some big 0:53:57.000 --> 0:54:00.840 fundraiser gala, I worry about the amount of money that 0:54:00.880 --> 0:54:02.840 went in to put that kind of thing on. And 0:54:02.840 --> 0:54:05.160 I always look at look for like more immediate, ground 0:54:05.200 --> 0:54:08.160 level charities where you can see that the money goes 0:54:08.239 --> 0:54:11.520 right to action and not to And I'm just disgusted 0:54:11.520 --> 0:54:14.040 at these people asking for such amount of money, like 0:54:14.120 --> 0:54:17.200 to perform at a charity event like Ford. 0:54:17.400 --> 0:54:23.560 I did not see the shakedown. These are charities are 0:54:23.560 --> 0:54:25.640 like zoos. I don't think we really need them anymore. 0:54:25.680 --> 0:54:29.759 I really don't think so, Hey, David, can I have 0:54:29.800 --> 0:54:34.560 a talk back? 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