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Speaker 1: So you see everybody don't have their issues with shall

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Speaker 1: support I happened? Thank god, thank god I ain't had this.

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Speaker 2: I think well that let not let me say that,

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Speaker 2: you know, because you uh, you're a married man and

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Speaker 2: you know your wife and you've got the family unit.

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Speaker 2: You know, some of us have the biggest fortunate to

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Speaker 2: take that route. And you know, uh, if you was

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Speaker 2: happening kids or league and you go just you know,

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Speaker 2: ship like that, or you know, just had a key

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Speaker 2: in with a girl you brought that you would date or.

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Speaker 1: With it it didn't work out. You know, that's how

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Speaker 1: that comes to play, you know, he just comes to pass. Well,

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Speaker 1: the homeman that we have on here tonight, man, it's

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Speaker 1: an expert. And if you think you gonna heard some

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Speaker 1: crazy stories, I guarantee you have never heard anything like

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Speaker 1: this before. We got my boy TJ in here, man

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Speaker 1: from child Support, his fraud. Man, I've known TJ for

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Speaker 1: a minute and now man and I really man, I

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Speaker 1: got to commend you. Man. First of all, thanks for

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Speaker 1: stopping through the ug A man. For sure, I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you buving me. I'm a fan of the show. You know,

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Speaker 1: I've been watching and so.

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Speaker 3: Once I've seen you know, we bump between each other

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Speaker 3: at church, it's like, oh man, I ain't even no

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Speaker 3: skill in there. But you know, once you reached out

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Speaker 3: and said, you know, I want you to come on

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Speaker 3: the show, you know, I was eager to get on because,

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Speaker 3: like I said, I'm a fan of the show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having them so for sure, and I'm

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Speaker 1: a fan of your content too. I've only jump right

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Speaker 1: into it. Man, you are a very you are like

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Speaker 1: a man's you know, women got their little groups and

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Speaker 1: people are standing up for them. I feel like you

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Speaker 1: talk for all the homies out here that they're being

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Speaker 1: taken advantage of about the whole should support system, because

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Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people realize a lot

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Speaker 1: of that money from shout support don't actually doing the kids.

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Speaker 3: No the especially when there's government assistance, meaning when they're

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Speaker 3: getting cachet, Medicaid, Medicare or foodstone. They can keep up

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Speaker 3: to sixty six percent of the money that they keep

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Speaker 3: and they can then dish out the remaining to the mothers.

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Speaker 3: And really, technically, if they really wanted to, like really

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Speaker 3: if they collected five hundred dollars every five months, I

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Speaker 3: mean for every every month, they could keep up to

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Speaker 3: forty four hundred and fifty dollars boasted on what's actually

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Speaker 3: put in place to repay back that money they can

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Speaker 3: keep up to they can only they can keep all

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Speaker 3: their money and give out fifty bucks. But typically what

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Speaker 1: Wow, I don't think I ever heard story like yours, man.

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Speaker 1: I want to go into it, man, and I guarantee

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Speaker 1: you that you have never heard nothing like this before.

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Speaker 2: Eight So well, everybody can claim that their stories are different,

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Speaker 2: you saying everybody gonna claim, you know, and then we're

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Speaker 2: in the state of California, Uh shit is different probably

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Speaker 2: than other states, you know. So, but this is his

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Speaker 2: story of what he went through. As far as you know,

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Speaker 2: having kids and going through the child support system, I

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Speaker 3: So like of course, like everybody, the de fine details

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Speaker 3: of everyone's case can be different. But what I tell

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Speaker 3: You can be in Alaska, Wyoming, Texas, Compton, wherever you are,

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Speaker 3: and you're in the United States of America, that case

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Speaker 3: has to be opened the exact same way no matter

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Speaker 3: that's where I obtained my remedy. So for me, I

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Speaker 3: How that happened is when I turned eighteen. So a

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Speaker 3: She was receiving government assistance as well, so she couldn't work,

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Speaker 3: and put me in arrears for all of the money

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Speaker 3: that they gave out for the last six years okay,

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Speaker 3: allegedly served me at a house I don't even know.

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Speaker 3: after the case larned. I'm on child support for seven

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Speaker 3: the rears and they're telling me you were pursuing to

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Speaker 3: the California Cold blah blah blah, you had six months

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Speaker 3: there's nothing that can be done. And I'm under this

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Speaker 3: misrepresentation for a whole nother thirteen years, so total, I

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Speaker 3: took them back to court because for the first thirteen

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Speaker 3: that can be done because I didn't respont within those

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Speaker 1: So, just to get this clear, they claim they served

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Speaker 3: So not no, no said was once he turned eighteen.

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Speaker 3: They backdated his shit, eh, exactly, so they said at

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Speaker 3: that point, they said that they served me when I

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Speaker 1: Now when I.

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Speaker 3: Took them to court, So just put a timeframe on it.

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Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety six, the case was started. I found

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Speaker 3: about found out about the case in two thousand and three,

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Speaker 3: and what was it, two thousand and eleven they suspended

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Speaker 4: So I then found out, you know, I found something

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Speaker 4: to haven't released my license and twenty sixteen, from twenty

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Speaker 4: eleven to twa they taking my money.

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Speaker 3: I'm paying them additional money so my license wouldn't get suspended,

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Speaker 3: but my license is getting suspended every year for a

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Speaker 3: system error. So now here we are in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 3: and I'm talking to the people on the farm, like, YO,

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Speaker 3: why keep going after this anyway? Like I'm on top

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Speaker 3: of the money y'all taking. I'm giving y'all additional fifty

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Speaker 3: dollars to keep my license, but every year my license

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Speaker 3: is getting suspended for a system error. I have to

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Speaker 3: call y'all, you got to reinstate my license. I got

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Speaker 3: to give y'all a whole nother fifty dollars for reinstate

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Speaker 3: it and pay the DMV another seventy five to reinstate

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Speaker 3: my license. Every year, and I'm like, man, this shit

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Speaker 3: is fraud. And the lady said fraud. What you mean fraud?

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Speaker 3: You got served? I said, whoa woke me up. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I got served. She said, yeah, you got served. I said, well,

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Speaker 3: tell me what day did I get served? Because I've

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Speaker 3: been with me every day of my life and I

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Speaker 3: know we didn't get served. The lady placed me on hold.

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Speaker 3: She said, man, I'm gonna tell you exactly what dy

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Speaker 3: you got served. She placed me on hold. We come back.

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Speaker 3: I'm on the phone. She said, mister Tillman, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: we don't have your signature. And I'm like, well, she

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Speaker 3: cut me off. She said, but that don't matter anyway,

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Speaker 3: because you volunteered into the program. I said, I did what.

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Speaker 3: She said, yeah, you volunteered. I said, well, tell me

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Speaker 3: one day did our volunteered. She said, well, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: tell you the exact boy, we got your signature. She

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Speaker 3: placed me on hold again. She comes back, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: mister Tillman, we do not have your signature. So at

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Speaker 3: this point she told me one that I got served

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Speaker 3: have my signature. And two she told me that child

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Speaker 3: support was voluntary, that I volunteered into the program, which

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Speaker 3: she didn't have my signature. So I started doing more research.

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Speaker 3: What else are they supposed to do to open these cases?

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Speaker 3: And that's when all hell broke loose.

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Speaker 1: So when you say that you when she told you

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Speaker 1: that you were volunteered into the program, what is that

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Speaker 1: that mean?

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Speaker 3: That means?

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Speaker 2: And another question, you didn't get you saying you got served.

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Speaker 2: A lot of niggas I know didn't get served. They

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Speaker 2: got a letter in the mail saying if you don't

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Speaker 3: And that's that's part of substitute service. So what It's

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Speaker 3: a two part question now. So first I'm gonna go

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Speaker 3: with eight. I proved that the house that they served

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Speaker 3: who lived at this address on this date at this time.

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Speaker 3: They came and said, now, we did live at that address.

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Speaker 3: At one point they said that they served me by

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Speaker 3: the addressing comptent w I'm looking at the address and

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Speaker 3: I'm like, wait, hold up, if my memory serves me correctly.

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Speaker 3: We moved from Compton to Watts when I was still

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Speaker 3: a minor, so y'all say, y'all serve me at Compton

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Speaker 3: when I was in a doe. So I sent the

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Speaker 3: subpoena to LADWP. They can't have testify it, said, well,

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Speaker 3: his grandmother she closed the service down in Coffin. I

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Speaker 3: been there for the last sixteen years. So there's no

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Speaker 3: technically we didn't have any power there because no one

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Speaker 3: nobody could assigned for it because we didn't even have

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Speaker 3: any power there. So that's one. So I proved that

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Speaker 3: they never even that the signature was actually void, so

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Speaker 3: that at that point you would think that the case

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Speaker 3: would just be over, but we still had to argue points.

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Speaker 1: This whole thing about the volunteery system work.

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Speaker 3: So there's something called a general appearance. When a general

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Speaker 3: appearance says when a person comes to a court for

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Speaker 3: making a general appearance because you recognize our authority. That

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Speaker 3: means you're waiving your rights the childnge jurisdiction jurisdiction, and

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Speaker 3: you are consenting to participate in the program. So what

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Speaker 3: they're said is when remember I told you in two

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Speaker 3: something to hard my license released. They said, at that point,

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Speaker 3: I recognized their authority, and I made a general appearance,

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Speaker 3: like and just like when A was saying, just say,

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Speaker 3: for instance, you get a summons in the mail and saying,

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Speaker 3: okay you someone is starting a shout support case against you.

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Speaker 3: You show up this day, this hard, and you show

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Speaker 3: up thinking okay, well shit, I got to show up.

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Speaker 3: At that point, you just made a general appearance because

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Speaker 3: you recognize our authority. That letter was an offer letter.

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Speaker 3: You didn't have to show up, or you could have

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Speaker 3: showed up. The thing is, when I you have to

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Speaker 3: combat that, you have to do something called a special appearance.

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Speaker 3: A special appearance says I'm not wait even any of

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Speaker 3: my rights. I'm only here to examine the evidence fout

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Speaker 1: Wow, so how hear? Is so many different? Like we

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Speaker 3: But here's the thing. Even if just say, for instance,

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Speaker 1: Man, it's a it's.

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Speaker 3: A cold game that they play, and taking it even

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Speaker 1: So the real daddy, he just a spermed on. He

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Speaker 3: This is what it's cold and like even for me too.

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Speaker 3: And this is something that the court brought up while

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Speaker 3: we're going through my process. The court looking at him like,

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Speaker 3: I mean child support is like, whoa, No, we never

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Speaker 3: always ask like why why do you think that is?

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Speaker 1: So why hasn't there been no like sweeping legislation over this?

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Speaker 1: Changed these laws.

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Speaker 3: I just told you when they issuing out seven hundred

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Speaker 3: it every year. It says that what was it, uh

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Speaker 3: Attorney Bar Association to train these judges. All everybody is

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Speaker 1: So everybody is eating. So you going through this whole thing,

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Speaker 1: assume all the pinions stopped at that time, that you

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Speaker 3: No more or no, So every way they were still

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Speaker 3: Sixteen ninety one says that everything that's filed the summons,

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Speaker 3: I said, there's I'm sure everybody heard of innocent into

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Speaker 3: proven guilty. That's in the judicial process. But in these

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Speaker 3: three branches of government, judicial, legislative, and executive. Child support

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Speaker 3: falls under administrative. In these administrative parents, they work under

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Speaker 3: something called prima faci. Prima fac says the courts take

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Speaker 1: So let me get this straight. You can have a

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Speaker 3: Your shape, Yes, because they gonna want you to come

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Speaker 3: in and to challenge it, to provide evidence to show

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Speaker 3: they will undo the child support. Okay, So, but if

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, So with your particular case, I don't want

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Speaker 1: tell me you got reimbursed all the money they were taking.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I did, and and even and something. This is

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Speaker 3: even get into that. Ultimately, the courts rule that I wasn't.

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Speaker 3: I hadn't even reached puberty to even produce a child.

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Speaker 3: So the courts ruled that I wasn't. There's no way

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Speaker 1: That's one.

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Speaker 3: And but you would think, okay, the kid is not his.

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Speaker 3: If he couldn't birth a child, then let's end the

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Speaker 3: child support. No, that did not happen. I still had

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Speaker 3: whether it was I had to prove that they never

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Speaker 3: and my case was dismissed for extriistic fraud after twenty

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Speaker 3: because shit, I need damages y'all. Y'all had this unlawful

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Speaker 1: I need damages too.

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Speaker 3: So they thought you your money better than that, and

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Speaker 3: I was gonna take it. Yeah, No, I didn't take it.

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Speaker 3: So I they made me a settlement offer. I declined it.

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Speaker 3: They made me two more settlement offers, and on the

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Speaker 1: Now, what happened to miss old girl that just said

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Speaker 3: What happened to her?

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Speaker 1: Did she get go to jail?

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Speaker 3: No, there's no repercussions for that because she didn't. She

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Speaker 3: She don't have any procedures or guidelines to follow. Now,

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Speaker 3: let's just be fully transparent. I was twelve years old.

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Speaker 3: I know the girl I she spent she spent a

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Speaker 1: I never passed go.

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Speaker 3: I didn't collect two hundred dollars. I never penetrated her

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Speaker 3: back end for anything the case. There's the state's responsibility

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Speaker 3: They wouldn't have did that wide because they were found

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Speaker 1: Hmmm, so they just get to grow. Now, let me

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Speaker 3: But that's and that's exactly what I said, and this

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Speaker 1: Learned from a federal judge.

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Speaker 3: Fraud is a criminal offense. In order for criminal charges

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Speaker 3: criminal charges. The district attorney was one of the defendants

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Speaker 3: in my case when I took them, when I sew

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Speaker 3: they was defended as well. So how does that work?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Man, it seemed like this a big

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Speaker 1: in never ending repit hole when it come to that man.

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Speaker 1: Because I'm gonna tell you, in America, the man gets

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Speaker 1: the short end of the stick and everything. Yeah, sure

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Speaker 1: we get to shortening the stick. And I don't you

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Speaker 1: call for y'all did beat daddy's officers. Don't take care

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Speaker 1: of your kids. You're supposed to take care of your kids.

434
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 1: If you own child support, you're supposed to take your

435
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: child support. This ain't no scheme for you to get

436
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 1: out of your responsibility.

437
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 3: No facts. And that's why my tagline is anytime you

438
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 3: hear me say child support, this fraud, immediately after I'm saying,

439
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 3: but we still taking care of these kids, because this

440
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 3: ain't no get out of jail free caller. I'm not

441
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 3: educating men nor women to challenge any parents' responsibility to

442
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 3: take care of children. I'm just saying that, Okay, if

443
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 3: if this is the process that we're going through, let's

444
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 3: just make sure that y'all doing your job.

445
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: Well. Let me ask you, the whole time you was

446
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: going through this, were you married already?

447
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 3: I was. I got married in twenty sixteen, so yeah,

448
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 3: from twenty sixteen on, from twenty sixteen to two thousand.

449
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 3: The case got dismissed in twenty eighteen, so for two

450
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 3: years while I was going through the court process, I

451
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 3: was married.

452
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, you knew your wife of course before you you

453
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: know your day to do this, it wouldn't cause any

454
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 1: derisks in your relationship.

455
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 3: No, I mean because she knew about it. I mean,

456
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 3: like I said, this happened when I found out about

457
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 3: it at twenty three, So at that point I had

458
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 3: already met her. I met her my wife when I

459
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 3: was what seventeen, so she already everybody knew that I

460
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 3: was going through this child support the issue. And it's like, well,

461
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 3: you say you didn't have sex with her, how is

462
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 3: this even your baby? But the course is saying, ain't

463
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 3: nothing you can do, so what do you do? So

464
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 3: but answer your question now, it was there was never

465
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 3: no issue that Actually the only issue that came up

466
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 3: was when we actually got married and uh, we was going.

467
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: We thought we was going to Puncha Kona for our honeymoon.

468
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 3: I pay to get my passport. He coming to mail.

469
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 3: I rip it over. They're gonna for to get my passport.

470
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 3: It's a denial letter from child support saying your passport

471
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 3: is on hold. We done pay thirty eight hundred dollars

472
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 3: to go to Ponta Kana. I can't even go. It's

473
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 3: only a month left. Now I gotta tell her, hey,

474
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 3: I can't even go to the kind of mouth fustport

475
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 3: is a hold and she like dog like you you

476
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 3: need to fix that and really get on it, because

477
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 3: like now it's it's we losing money, yeah.

478
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 1: And this effecting you know eventually, man, even if your

479
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: walk wife on your team, then just starting infecting your relationship.

480
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no, I see it all the time because

481
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 5: I do like consultations and I'll be talking to men

482
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 5: and surprisingly like some women actually be tapping in and

483
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 5: be contacting me.

484
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 3: For their husbands and for their boyfriends. Like, man, this

485
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 3: is affecting him. He don't want to go in there

486
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 3: and deal with them people and want the people in

487
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 3: his business. But we can't even go out of the

488
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 3: country because of this because his passport on hold is

489
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 3: stopping us from buying the house because he got this

490
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 3: lean on his name.

491
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, it definitely affects you. So when you so

492
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: when you old child's board, they put a lean on you,

493
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: just like if you owe money to somebody put a

494
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: link on your account. Well I'll tell you that you Yeah,

495
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: they put a lien on your name.

496
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 3: But even with that lean too, It's it's tricky, bro,

497
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 3: because they they don't they don't follow their own procedures

498
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 3: because they the Lincol actually only be your name for

499
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 3: twenty years, so and before that ten year mark they

500
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 3: have to renew it. And if they don't renew it

501
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 3: before the ten years, delane is not even enforceable anymore.

502
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 3: But it'll still be there if you don't even know

503
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 3: how to go in there and going.

504
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: Challenge, So you didn't when they first told you that

505
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: you owe child support, you didn't challenge it. You just

506
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: started paying.

507
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 3: No, they took my money. So when I found out

508
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 3: about it, I was working and HR called me and said, hey,

509
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 3: we just got an income up holder or that they

510
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 3: start taking your check effective immediately. So I didn't have

511
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 3: no option. They just start taking my money. And when

512
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 3: I contacted child support, they're like, well, why you call

513
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 3: on a stand You've been on child support for seven years?

514
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 3: What you mean you call it right now? I'm like

515
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 3: seven years, And like I said, at that point, I

516
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 3: was told by child support and I went to the

517
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 3: courts and the course said, well, you know, Chrishilla California call,

518
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 3: you had six month three responders. At that point, it's

519
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: default judgment, so there's nothing that can be done. But

520
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 3: what they don't tell you is that a boyd judgment

521
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 3: or fraud. When they when it's open under fraud, misrepresentation, misrepresentation, comhersion,

522
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 3: or under the rest a boy judgment is boy past president.

523
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 3: In the future, there's no time when they on a

524
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 3: boy judgment. It can be challenged at any time.

525
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: That's crazy. That's that's insane, man, that's insane. I was

526
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: talking earlier. Man. You know, we hear a number of cases,

527
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: you know, going back to this of you have women

528
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: who knowingly put other men as a father only child's

529
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: birth certificate right for whatever reason. They may not like

530
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: the other command. The other man may be a drunk,

531
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: the other man may be a drug at it, so

532
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: they put those others down there. And you hear about

533
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: these guys playing child support for years and never being

534
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: able to get off when they if they eventually exonerated

535
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: from that, is there any jail time towards the woman

536
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: who made the explation? WHA, they're not. They're not gonna stick.

537
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: No mom in jail. They're not.

538
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 2: They're not unless you unless she don't physically hurt the

539
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: kid or did some ship like that. You will never

540
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: see a court throw a mom in jail over no

541
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 2: child support ship, whether on the baby all because she

542
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 2: I didn't know or or or it's just as simple.

543
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: But they're not gonna turn around and do it. They

544
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 2: could turn around and point the finger at you for

545
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: wanting them to do some ship like that.

546
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: Like her in jail.

547
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: She's the mother of your child, like you know, they

548
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: they they're just not it's not gonna work.

549
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: They really not the mother theyself she likes.

550
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: It's not gonna work in that favor. You will that happen.

551
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 3: But what they tell you is it was your responsibility

552
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: to come and you should have came in here sooner.

553
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: But you don't know something that some kids that you

554
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: don't know. What's like if somebody decided to just say,

555
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: Norman Steele is my baby's.

556
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: Daddy, you better mean you better be you better be

557
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: smart enough to know if you was fucking that bitch

558
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 2: like that, you better be smart enough to know.

559
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: No, you want to be that dumb that let a.

560
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: Bitch just walk in and go, yeah, that's my dad

561
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 2: and he's my baby's fine.

562
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: Nona listen, they listen. It's the situations that go like this,

563
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: I may just be familiar with this person. This person

564
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: may be somebody that work with or whatever like that.

565
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: Did you know listen then then.

566
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: This is what I'm talking about. There are men who

567
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: have been choose of fathering kids and they have never

568
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: had no, no kind of sex thing, even touches WoT.

569
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: They don't even know each other. In my mind and.

570
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: What you should have came to court.

571
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: You gotta go take a DNA test, that's what, because yeah,

572
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: she can walk in there right now and go this

573
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: nigga's my baby's daddy, and they gonna they go from

574
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: right there and there they gonna start making you pay.

575
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: It's your fucking responsibility to go fuck that. That's not

576
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: my kid, and I want a fucking blood test, and

577
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 2: they gonna make you pay for it.

578
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: But then that's how you get it cracket.

579
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it.

580
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: That's that's what happened. Want you got a vidion.

581
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: I ain't never fucked her or nigga all fucked her

582
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 2: once a year ago or whatever.

583
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 3: Like no, like if you can't possibly be the father,

584
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 3: and a lot of like like, let's just keep it

585
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 3: a buck. A lot of people, from what I've seen too,

586
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 3: they may even know, like, man, I don't think this

587
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 3: kid may be mine. I really, but I got a

588
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 3: one on some traffic shit, I gotta one on some

589
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 3: other All you want to go on because I think

590
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get arrested for whatever the case may be.

591
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 3: They don't go in there and do it, so it's

592
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 3: it's now you you're the dad.

593
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: By default by not showing act, you're just gonna be paid. Like, hey,

594
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: if you don't want to take the responsibility to find

595
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: out if it's yours or not, maybe maybe you did

596
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: fuck and may you like I don't think it is,

597
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: and at this point I don't even want to find out.

598
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: So you be so naive, like you said, you don't

599
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: even go down there to find out. So fuck it.

600
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: You're just paying every month. You're the legal father. Now,

601
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: now you know what I do think, man, in cases,

602
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,959
Speaker 1: because I've seen stuff, man, you know, unfortunately, man, we

603
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: all know some foul cats. I've seen dudes who've had

604
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: babies with people longly and because they married their wife

605
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: may tell them you can't have nothing to do with

606
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: their child, and they just don't have nothing to do

607
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: with the kid. You feel mean like the kid is

608
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: just over there, just in whom or whatever. Right, this

609
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: is like that see somebody you know going after somebody

610
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: for not being responsible, But it was like, it's the

611
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: opposite in this country. Now. I know so many people

612
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: I know. I know brothers who got their kids with

613
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: them paying chouts.

614
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's a problem because the.

615
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 2: Fuck about that they don't care if you're the father

616
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 2: and you got the kid. Nigga, if we order child support, nigga,

617
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: pay us that money.

618
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 3: That's it.

619
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 2: If it ain't, if it ain't coming through us, it

620
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: counts for nothing.

621
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 3: If I mean it's a gift, you could be paying

622
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 3: for your kids to go to school.

623
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 2: You can be paying for sports programs, you can be

624
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: buying the clothes, all kinds of shit, and if they

625
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: don't go through them, it counts for nothing.

626
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 3: Now y'all know Eddie Curry, Yeah, you heard the story.

627
00:34:54,160 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. This time he paid this girl over a

628
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 3: million dollars. He had receipts for everything, cashiers, checks, zel's,

629
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 3: cash out, everything, every money that he gave her, he

630
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 3: had receiveds of it. She took him to court. His

631
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 3: child was seventeen years old, and they said that he

632
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 3: never paid her anything. And he go to court, real receipts.

633
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 3: I gave this woman over a million dollars here a

634
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 3: million dollars worth of receipts. They said, well, it didn't

635
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 3: come through us. It was a gift. Yeah, it's a gift.

636
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah it didn't considered a gift. That's gift. The gift.

637
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 3: It was a gift.

638
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: Let me do what child support. It didn't come through us.

639
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it.

640
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 3: Has to like when you if you send in those

641
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 3: cash AUPs, those zel's in that note, it better say

642
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 3: child support that if you won't credit for it.

643
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: So she just used sid as eight TM. She just said,

644
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: you know, that was a gift that you get me.

645
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 3: She came up and he had a bubble back on

646
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 3: it like it's it's a cold game man like, and

647
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 3: that's that'd be the thing too, Like I just didn't

648
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 3: want mind success to be like an individual success. And

649
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 3: it's like this type of shit is just like, bro,

650
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 3: I I got to let our people, hey, you come

651
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 3: look and see what they're doing, because child support affects

652
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 3: so many people, especially in our community, and a lot

653
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: of people don't know that there are things that can

654
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 3: be done. And it, like you said, it ain't not

655
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 3: not take care of your kids, but having the people

656
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 3: in your business and taking the bread. Ain't your kid

657
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 3: not even getting the money. That's a whole other situation.

658
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all bad because I know a whole bunch

659
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: of homies. Men. What's crazy is they take care of

660
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: their kids, and they gonna make money to take care

661
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: of their kids, but they have somebody telling them, well,

662
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 1: you cannot leave the country because you owe as much

663
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: in child support. And the thing is, you may have

664
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: somebody going over to Japan to pick up twenty five

665
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars, ain't gone come pay their bill, and

666
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: they can't go get the money. They can't work, So

667
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: it's almost pathforts it is.

668
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: And yeah, I think that's I think that's kind of

669
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 2: crazy too, Like, Okay, you want me to pay child support,

670
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: but then you're you're fucking you're fucking killing off all my.

671
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 3: Means of maybe the money to pay child support.

672
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 2: You want to take my license. I'm supposed to get

673
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 2: to work. I can't uber to work every day. You

674
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 2: get me, what if I'm an international dude, then I

675
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 2: work overseas and do all that. I can't even go work,

676
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 2: and that could be anything. You know, their jobs are

677
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: all over you feel me. So you want to take

678
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: my passport, you want to take my license? What is

679
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: that going to do for the income? Then?

680
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 3: And the Department of Justice agree with you, because in

681
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 3: twoy sixteen and in twenty twenty three they issued child

682
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 3: support in the courts. A dear colleague letter letting them

683
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: know that suspending people's license is for forcing to force

684
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 3: them to pay these child support here in these parking tickets.

685
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 3: It was unlawful because like eight said, how you want

686
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 3: me to go to work if you suspended my license?

687
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 3: They said, it's kind of productive. They said, it's other

688
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 3: means for the state to satisfy their entry. Besides suspending

689
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 3: someone's license or restricting their right to travel to go

690
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 3: for business. You could have did something else other than

691
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 3: suspending their license. And a lot of people have used

692
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 3: that letter along with the de license restration affidavit that

693
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 3: I created to get their license released. And too we're

694
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 3: in California. This year California passed the bill that nobody's

695
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 3: license in California should be suspended because of child support.

696
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 3: As of twenty twenty five, nobody licensed in California.

697
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: I'm with that because this stupid. Because you got a

698
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: lot of gas truck drivers, got some dudes who might

699
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: drive uber you go, you need your car to get

700
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: the work. Many everybody can go catch the bus to work.

701
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: Transportation is the means of a lot of jobs for

702
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: niggas who can't get those regular jobs.

703
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: Right.

704
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: So, if I'm a fella coming home and the nigga

705
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 2: don't want to give me a job.

706
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: But I got a car out there.

707
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: I can uber, I can insta cart, I can postmate,

708
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 2: I could do anything. But now I'm in fear of

709
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: getting pulled over because my license is suspended because of

710
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 2: not paying some shit that you say I should pay,

711
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 2: you didn't because I takes care of my kid. There's

712
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: there's not a motherfucker you can haul in the court

713
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 2: right now and say, oh the nigga, Oh, the kid

714
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: plays sports. The kid goes to the movies on weekends

715
00:39:55,000 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: and have the lady's shoes and all kinds. So what

716
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: do you want me to do that? That's the dumbest

717
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: ship ever. Whoever came up with that is the dumbest

718
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: motherfucker in the history of making laws.

719
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 1: I need to work.

720
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: I expect to take money out of my checks and

721
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: expect me to pay when you're condemning me from even

722
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 2: being able to work.

723
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: What am I supposed to do? Then?

724
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: Am I supposed to hear? If I supposed to what?

725
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 2: So now I'm supposed to pay your motherfucker to get

726
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 2: to work. That's more money coming off mind, y'all. Don't

727
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: want to leave a nigga with nothing, huh at all

728
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 2: that you want a nigga to be dead broke, and

729
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 2: then you complain about the homelessnesses and ship out here.

730
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 3: But god damn, what the fuck am I you give me?

731
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be homeless in a minute because you're taking

732
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 2: money out of my check. I can't drive to work

733
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 2: because I'm gonna get pulled over and probably get my

734
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 2: car impounded because I got no license for child support?

735
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: You get me? So now what?

736
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna lose my house because I'm not making

737
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: enough money because y'all taken every fucking thing. So I was,

738
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: how is this supposed to work?

739
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 3: How it work? I'na let me tell you what child

740
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 3: support attorney told me when I told her that in

741
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 3: my child support. Then she said, mister Tilly, you can

742
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 3: get on a bus. I said, ma'am. I said, let's

743
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 3: let's just let's just take this in perspective for a second.

744
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 3: I said, I'll look you up. You from Guardina, I'm

745
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 3: from Compton, Man, I can't get on a bus with

746
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 3: my kids. You want me to put my kids in

747
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 3: danger by sitting on the bus stop. She said, Well,

748
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 3: driving is not a privilege, it's a right. And it's

749
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 3: my right in order for you to make sure that

750
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 3: these documents were fouled correctly in the very beginning, and

751
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 3: that it's a boid ad judgment. Therefore everything that you're

752
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 3: talking about is not enforceable. She ain't had nothing to

753
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 3: say at that point, She's.

754
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: Stopped, and I really feel like, maybe that's please scholar,

755
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:01,959
Speaker 1: that ship is dumb as fuck.

756
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: Then get on the bus, bitch. I'm living. I live

757
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: in the I E. I commute to work to l A.

758
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 2: I can't take no fucking bus from the fucking.

759
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 3: I E to fuck is La. It takes me three

760
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 3: hours hours. They currently all all they care about is

761
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 3: that bread. And that's the thing with child support and

762
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 3: uh and this is what I want to like, I'm

763
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 3: really happy to be on this platform. Why because I

764
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 3: know I'm talking to my people, like my people, my people,

765
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 3: like there's a difference in between family court and child support,

766
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 3: two totally different things. Why was this? Why was this created?

767
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 3: Why it was it was created? Was it because the state?

768
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 2: Was it because the state was losing money over other

769
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: ship and they figured out a mass way to you know,

770
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: because before then, you know, my parents got divorced in

771
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 2: whatever whatever, and my father had a bomb job at

772
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 2: General Motors and whatever, whatever, my mom nike it the

773
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: court for child support.

774
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 3: So let me answer that for you so real. I'm

775
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 3: gonna make it brief as possible. In nineteen thirty five

776
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 3: they started the CACHETE the program, the government assistant program

777
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 3: that started in nineteen.

778
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: County you get your county check, Yeah.

779
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 3: Exactly, And I started in nineteen thirty five because in

780
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 3: nineteen thirty five it was a great depression. Man was

781
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 3: going to war and at that time women could barely work.

782
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 3: So if a man went the war, where he left

783
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 3: his woman, she couldn't see, she couldn't support herself. So

784
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 3: they had to come up with that program. Yes, in

785
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy five, President Gerald Ford, they looking at it like,

786
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 3: wait a minute, we started to give out a lot

787
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: of this free money to all of these underprivileged areas,

788
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 3: and that wasn't what the intention was. So in nineteen

789
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 3: thirty five that the program was Title four A. But

790
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy five they did an amendment called Title

791
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 3: four D, which we know as child support. It was

792
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 3: created to repay back the money that they was given

793
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 3: out from the cash shade and the food STAPs because

794
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 3: that money is a grant. So the cash shade in

795
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 3: the food stamps is a grant. What is a grant?

796
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 3: A grant is a gift. A gift is something that's

797
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 3: given without any counterbalance of payment. You don't have to

798
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 3: pay that money back. So how are you forcing? How

799
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 3: did you come up with a whole other program to

800
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 3: make people pay back money that was given out as

801
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 3: a grant. That's how it started. Child support started in

802
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy five and it's called it's under the nineteen

803
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 3: thirty nineteen seventy five Social Security ACD. It was created

804
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 3: to repay back the money that was given out for

805
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 3: the cast shade in the food stamps. Okay, that's it.

806
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 3: That's its sole purpose.

807
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 1: Wow, I got a question for your TJ. And what

808
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: happens in the event that a man is deceased and

809
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: you can't come back and suit people's the states? Right?

810
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of anything like that where a

811
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: man is dead, it's somebody coming all this stuff claiming

812
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: that he was the father of their kids.

813
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 3: If there's a rears old, then the estate they're going

814
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 3: after this state for those arrears. And he's like, you

815
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 3: can still be dead and you're still gonna pay their

816
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 3: sholder support because your child still has to be careful.

817
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 3: And especially if we gave our money, we need that

818
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 3: money back.

819
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: You know what, man America has really turned into, like

820
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: against the nation.

821
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 2: It's been against the nation of where.

822
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: They want because I tell you the situation with me

823
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: and have none to do with showers spoils a tax

824
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: thing all what I was saying too much. I know

825
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: how to protect some of my assets. Right. Do you

826
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: know that these people went into my wife's bank account.

827
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: Of course it took ten thousand dollars off. My name

828
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: ain't nowhere in her bank account, nowhere on it.

829
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 3: Y'all married, so y'all won same thing with child support.

830
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 3: You they gonna go after your They going to your

831
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 3: wife account.

832
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: That's crazy. So your wife don't have nothing to do

833
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: with this. And the thing about that, let me tell

834
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: you what the crazy thing about that guardanshing somebody's money

835
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: from the bank. What if that's not your money and.

836
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 3: They don't get it, well, I care about none of that.

837
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 3: It's a taxico social Security number.

838
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: If it's in there, we're gonna take it.

839
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: Fuck it.

840
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 3: They can't do in a business account no, they can't.

841
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 3: They will if you give them. If you if you

842
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,959
Speaker 3: can sit and authorize them to do what they will,

843
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 3: But if you don't, then they can't and would authorized

844
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 3: nothing like that. But unknowingly, m I looked at.

845
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: All the stuff we would say the people do it unknowingly.

846
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 3: I said, some people do unknowingly because a lot where

847
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 3: I see it happen the most is where like there

848
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 3: was a marriage and they going through the divorce. Now

849
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 3: they separating the assets and the wife is like, well

850
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: he got these businesses and it's all in So now

851
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 3: they're coming in. You provided them the business financially, they

852
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 3: ain't got nothing to do with me. Linelle Tillman Linel

853
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 3: Tilman LLC. Is totally different from Lonell Tillman. Those two

854
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 3: different acts. There's two different people. Yeah, but if you

855
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 3: give it to them, they're gonna go over there.

856
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, because imagine this bro like right, some people have

857
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: business together like right, like yeah, this is a podcast,

858
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: but this is a business for me and eight mm hmm.

859
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: Let's say they could hit your business account and it's

860
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars in there and they snatch it. Man,

861
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 1: that money was eight and y'all still like that wasn't

862
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: all my money. You feel what I'm.

863
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 3: Saying, and that's why they came. But they will if

864
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 3: you allow them to go in there to do it.

865
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: So I heard you mentioned something one day, man about

866
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: a birth certificate, right, Yeah, I want you to break

867
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: that down. Break that down because you was you that.

868
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: That's what made me want to get you on the show.

869
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: You were given a lot of information that people don't

870
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: know that they need to know.

871
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: So in order to open up a child support case,

872
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 3: paternity has to be established. Paternity is established through signing

873
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 3: that document at a hospital, doing a DNA, through marriage

874
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 3: by default.

875
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: Or by marriage.

876
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 3: When you sign that document in the hospital and they're

877
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 3: telling you it was for the birth certificate, but it's

878
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 3: also a dual contract for child support services, but that

879
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 3: when you sign that document, they're supposed to do certain things.

880
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 3: It's forty five CFR. That's Code Federal Regulations three h

881
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 3: three point five. It says that they must provide the

882
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 3: mother and alleged father a written materials about paternity establishment

883
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 3: B the forum necessary to sign them. The problem is

884
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 3: they don't do c C says that they have to

885
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 3: give us a notice in the hospital, saying these are

886
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 3: the legal consequences of aestablishing paternity, child support licenses, mansion

887
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 3: income with holding on the bank levey, putting it on

888
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 3: your credit report, possible jail time. And it also says

889
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 3: they must give us d D says that they have

890
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 3: to give us the opportunity to speak with a staff

891
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 3: either by telephone on person who's trained to answer questions,

892
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 3: because they presume that and we say, hey, still, you know,

893
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 3: I know your wife, she just had this baby, and

894
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 3: you know the family's buying. Here's this clipboard. It's for

895
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 3: the birth certificate, but it's also for a dual contract

896
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 3: with child support services. Oh, and we have to tell

897
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 3: you that this is a dual contract and before signing

898
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 3: it you may want to seek legal representation because you

899
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 3: are agreeing to at any point child support, licensed, mansion

900
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 3: income with holding on the bank levees, all of these things.

901
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 3: It's just if they don't provide that notice paternity was

902
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 3: never established. I'm not saying that these children are not mind.

903
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is the legal parent, the parent child

904
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 3: relations ship that y'all must have established in order to

905
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 3: open a child support case. It never happened. Therefore you

906
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 3: never even have Jewish diction even open a child support

907
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 3: case to begin with. And after forty five CFR three

908
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 3: or three point five look it up?

909
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: Do you really tell me these numbers? Do you know

910
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 1: the lulls like the day of your hand?

911
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 3: Brouh, This is my life. I went through this shit.

912
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 3: This is my life. Dog. I had to know this

913
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 3: shit to go in there and go talk to the people.

914
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 3: I represented myself for two years with no legal background.

915
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 3: Thank you to coptain hide. They I know how to

916
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 3: I know how to read. I can't a real simple dog.

917
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 3: This is this is what your policy says. Did you

918
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 3: follow it?

919
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: Yes or no?

920
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 3: That was my defense, real simple. I took it back

921
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 3: to grade school.

922
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: Do you like me?

923
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 3: Yes or no? Did you follow your own procedures? Yes

924
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 3: or no? That's all I did.

925
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: Now when you wound to beating them, did you ever

926
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: feel at any point did you pish anybody off? Yes?

927
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,479
Speaker 3: Brother? Are you talking about the government? Bro? They giving

928
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 3: off seven hundred million dollars a year and here I am,

929
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 3: little o me telling everybody that what they're doing is

930
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 3: fraw and put showing everybody with the money out of

931
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 3: where it's going. Will you come on man, because they ain't.

932
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: You're dangerous, because that's what I mean.

933
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 3: Anytime, I was just getting ready to say that in

934
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 3: this country.

935
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: Anytime you start having the revolution in every thought for

936
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: all system, challenge the system, they usually take those kind

937
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: of people out if they start making too much noise. Bruh.

938
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 3: It just started. It started moving faster than what I

939
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 3: knew it once my case got dismissed because I was

940
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,919
Speaker 3: already like documented on ig in my process. But when

941
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 3: it actually happened, now everybody like, oh shit, like it

942
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 3: actually got dismissed. So now everybody sharing and asking how

943
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 3: did you do it? And it's just start moving. It

944
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 3: is it went from fivey twenty to fifty one hundred

945
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 3: three hundred is just start moving and it's just going. Now.

946
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 3: I'm innute, this is my life. What were we gonna do?

947
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: Did they try to get you to sign a gag order?

948
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 3: They I did sign an NBA with West. We did

949
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 3: the money part, so I can't talk about how much money.

950
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 3: But I would not agree to anything saying that I

951
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 3: can't educate my people. That was my only stipulation. If

952
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 3: you talking about like I gotta stop educating my people.

953
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 3: The deal is off the table.

954
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: So they just and they don't want you to say

955
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: nothing because they don't want other people coming trying to reclaims.

956
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: There's the state of go broke now or child support

957
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: laws pretty uniform across the country.

958
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 3: No, because the child supports is a state run program,

959
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 3: so the state. Each state has their own different state statues.

960
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 3: But I didn't use anything. I didn't use now one

961
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 3: California law and my child's apart hement. I only used

962
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 3: Supreme Court case law co to federal regulations and United

963
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 3: States codes. So I kept it on a federal level

964
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 3: because the state laws are supposed to mirror the federal laws,

965
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 3: and I use the Constitution, so it's like, okay, well,

966
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 3: the Constitution and the Supreme Court case law. It's the

967
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 3: law of the land. And it's called Article six, section

968
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 3: two in the United States Constitution that says that no

969
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 3: state can come up with their own state law that

970
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 3: conflicts with the federal law and the United States Constitution

971
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 3: that it does that state law is boyd. So I

972
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 3: kept it on the federal level. And that's how I'm

973
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 3: able to educate a mass amount of people because it

974
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 3: ain't just I didn't use nothing pertaining the California.

975
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: Your service is so needed. You have a unique service too,

976
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 1: because I've never heard of anything like that was for Brian.

977
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 3: I mean, it's there. They have to publish it. We

978
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 3: just got to you already. You know what they say.

979
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 3: If you want to hide something from a nigga where

980
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 3: you gonna put it, they have to publish the information.

981
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: We just got to read it. And I'm pretty sure

982
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: based on the way stuff feels your business strive. Yeah. No,

983
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: it's it's crazy.

984
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

985
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: It's on the incline. And I know we.

986
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 3: Go ahead now, I'm saying. And for me, I just

987
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,439
Speaker 3: try to like not to get lost in us off

988
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 3: and just remembering why I'm doing it, like the money comes.

989
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 3: But at the same time, for me, it's just like

990
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 3: it's always it's always about my people. Dog like when

991
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 3: I when I keep that in my mind, it's like

992
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 3: not to get because I'm not an attorney, so I

993
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 3: can't give legal advice. So I'm very I still on

994
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 3: that thin line of being compliant on I can educate you,

995
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 3: but I ain't gonna do nothing that put me in

996
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 3: a predicament where these people finish statue me up and

997
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 3: take me away from my family because I'm I'm in

998
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 3: their faith. I'm I'm in a public M.

999
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: So, do you have any like just you know, folks

1000
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: about your business? Spreadsure? Right, do you have any Do

1001
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: you have a lawyer that you work with as well?

1002
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 3: No, because when you're hire an attorney, you waiving your rights. M.

1003
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 3: The child support is not judicial, it's administrator. You can

1004
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 3: have an administrative You can have these administrative hearings at McDonald's.

1005
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 3: Bro respectfully, no disrespecting nobody to work for McDonald's. If

1006
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,919
Speaker 3: you got three no call, no shows at your job,

1007
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 3: they can say, hey, hey, you you signed this document

1008
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,919
Speaker 3: that said you was gonna follow a policy. You got

1009
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 3: three called no call, no shows, we're gonna reprimand you.

1010
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 3: It's the same process. It's administrative process. It's not judicial.

1011
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: You know what, man, I'm not laughing, man, I'm kind

1012
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: of laughing at the just the whole just situation with

1013
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: this because there's so many and it's almost like it

1014
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: targets black men and black family is unnecessarily like if

1015
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: you look at it, like they tell a black woman, yeah,

1016
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 1: you can live in here, you can live in these

1017
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: you could live in this house and only pay you

1018
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: fifty bucks a month. Can't no man live with you?

1019
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 3: Oh? No, that's how it is, you know, you know

1020
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

1021
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: The child father can't live with you.

1022
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 2: It's almost like, yes, man, if a woman gets on

1023
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 2: section eight, you can't have a man living there or

1024
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 2: you lose.

1025
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: And that's pretty much breaking up the whole family thing.

1026
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: So you can assume him. Because does that mean if

1027
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: you're married and having some financials you can't ask no help?

1028
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 3: No?

1029
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: No, you know you all married, you don't want that.

1030
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 3: And I mean, bro, I've seen it to where dude

1031
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 3: that lived in the house and but they was in the.

1032
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 1: Final the situation.

1033
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 3: The dude set outside while she went in the county

1034
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 3: building to get on the county got the benefits. She

1035
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 3: signed off saying she don't know who the daddy is,

1036
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 3: so ain't helping. Walk right back outside. He got in

1037
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 3: the car and they drove off and with to Ronse

1038
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 3: with the food stamp car. She had to give him

1039
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 3: up on the inside in order to get the benefits.

1040
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 3: She had to give away his runners.

1041
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: And they started.

1042
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 2: That's how they started going after the dads, because you know,

1043
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 2: back then you could walk in, like you said, you

1044
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 2: could walk into county. Young girl could be fifteen sixteen

1045
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 2: walking the county building. Nigga, who's the fire I don't know.

1046
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 3: Nigga walked out in there with food stamps on the same.

1047
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 2: Day party got loaded, got fucked on. I don't know

1048
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 2: who it was. It could have been C Bob Jabo

1049
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 2: or whoever. I don't know who it was. Who's gonna

1050
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 2: put her on the county give her some foods and

1051
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 2: then they and then all of a sudden, they was like, oh,

1052
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 2: we need that money back, so either you're gonna pay

1053
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 2: or you're gonna.

1054
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 3: Get You're gonna give us a name.

1055
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 2: You're gonna give us somebody, give us a name, and

1056
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 2: we're going after that nigga. And you'll be like, well

1057
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 2: wait a minute, that's that's how this ship got cracking.

1058
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you talk to your mom like.

1059
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 2: Fucking moms because they wanted that money back. He just

1060
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 2: read back, so either you're gonna give up the father

1061
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 2: or we're gonna make you pay it back.

1062
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 3: And we couldn't.

1063
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 2: And them girls was like ship, sorry, but to do it.

1064
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 2: Next thing, you know, you're getting a letter in the mail.

1065
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 2: That's exactly how it works.

1066
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: You're getting a letter. It's almost like they incentivevized black

1067
00:58:54,400 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: woman dog. They do section and the reason I mentioned

1068
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: like on the sex and night stuff because it seems

1069
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: like section eight, uh, child support and what's the other stuff?

1070
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: Because you know, even if a kid is going to preschool,

1071
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: I think, and they don't have a father in the

1072
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: house and stuff with that too, right, it's like the

1073
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: incentivize all those things your child, the christal stairs. Yeah,

1074
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: you get child killed money.

1075
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 3: M it's all tied in together. All of it falls

1076
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 3: under the Social Security Act, all of it. That's where

1077
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 3: child support comes from, the Social Security Act.

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Speaker 1: They got a hell of a record. Like you said,

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00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: I never thought of it. How much is the business

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00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: worth every year? The business of charging people for kids?

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00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 3: So for this year they got seven hundred and thirty

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00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 3: five million dollars. I can tell you the exact number.

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00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 3: It's it's they got seven hundred and thirty five million

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00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 3: dollars this year alone, just this year.

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Speaker 1: Somebody eating boy. America's a hell of a con man. Ruh.

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Speaker 1: They ain't playing no games, a hell of a con man.

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Speaker 1: So how I can catch get at you, DJ? Because

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01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure we got it because you know, we

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01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: got a bunch of catch to listen to our show man.

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01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: So I'm pretty sure we got a bunch of people

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01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: that can use your services. And you can do this

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01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: all around the country.

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Speaker 3: Right, Oh yeah, most effluent and so everything is child

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01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 3: support the fraud. It's whether the child Support US fraud

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01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 3: on Instagram, YouTube, child supporters fraud dot com. It's all

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Speaker 3: the same. And what I would say to people dog

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01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 3: is educate yourself. Go child Supporters fraud dot com. You

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01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 3: going there to go buy something, but before you buy anything,

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01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 3: or you're thinking about buying something, you ain't got to

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01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 3: buy nothing. Go to child Supporters Fraud on Instagram. It's

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01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 3: over three thousand some videos on there are full of education.

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01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 3: Educate yourself, learn your right so you know how you

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01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 3: going to go in there and go talk to those

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01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 3: people that be everybody because you can get all the documents.

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01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 3: If you don't know how to go in there and

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01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 3: go talk to those people, they finna washed you. Yeah,

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01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 3: they gonna washed you up.

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01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: If you gonna do the research that you did and

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01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: going in hand and your business, you would have still been.

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Speaker 3: Paying No, most definitely, most definitely. And that's the thing, man,

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Speaker 3: You gotta know. Just learn their procedures.

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Speaker 1: That's that.

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01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 3: Kept it real simple. Once you know the procedures, its

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01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 3: real simple. This is your procedure says that red and

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01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 3: blue makes green. Here's red, here's blue. Is that green? Okay,

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01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 3: keep it real simple. Let's not make this complicated. Did

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01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 3: you follow your own policy?

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01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 3: And no. It says it has to be signed by

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01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 3: a judge. Is that person a judge? Yes?

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01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: Or no?

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01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 3: It has to be under the seal of the court.

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01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 3: Is that Where do we see a seal?

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01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: No?

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01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 3: Is it signed by the county clerk and not the

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01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 3: debuty clerk. No, it's real simple.

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01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: It's crazy, you know. So if you're all out there,

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01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: if y'all having issues, man, yo, but my guy he

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01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: gets all said. You know what y'all fellas got going

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01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: for the fourth of July.

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Speaker 2: Ship a damn thing. I'm going over to the mom's house.

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01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 2: So you told me that, Yeah, damn ship like that.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 2: I usually stay at the crib, but I'm gonna go

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Speaker 2: ahead and get out tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna tell everybody to be careful. Man.

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Speaker 1: You know I don't go out in the fourth of

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01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: July for the simple reason it's fireworks man, that people

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01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: tend to have. Fourth of July New Year's. People usually

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01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: pick them nights, sometimes exact revenge. You know we're gonna

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01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 1: be out that night though.

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01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll be back home before seven o'clock.

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01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: Before. Man, I'm in the house for Fourth of July

1144
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: New Years Man, that's when people come out. You know,

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01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: I'm an get at this dude on this day because

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01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: you know I'll get away with it. Oh yeah, they

1147
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: for sure, y'all have the same sport. Yeah, yes, sir. Well.

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Speaker 1: That concludes another episode of the Gainst the Chronicles podcast.

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01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,720
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Speaker 1: leave a comment and rating. Executive producers for The Gangster

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01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: Chronicles podcast Norman Steel, Aaron M. C a Tyler. Our

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Speaker 1: visual media director is Brian Whatt, and audio editors Tellor Hayes.

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