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Speaker 1: As a guide an hunter, I've spent thousands of days

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Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren.

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Speaker 1: This is cutting the Distance. Welcome back to the podcast everyone.

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Speaker 1: It is pretty crazy. It's already almost the end of

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Speaker 1: the year. It just seems like yesterday I was recording

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Speaker 1: an end of the year podcast and here we are again.

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Speaker 1: For me, it kind of flew by, But this week

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Speaker 1: it's kind of into the hunting season. In my hunting

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Speaker 1: lodge here, just got done with a lot of guiding

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Speaker 1: and you got the fire going. I'm slipping through a

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Speaker 1: few photo albums, some old pictures of some guy that

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Speaker 1: hunts have done in the past, kind of reminiscing and

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Speaker 1: then just realizing I've got about a hundreds of stories

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Speaker 1: and noticed there's quite a few that I actually forgot about.

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Speaker 1: But I really do love guiding hunters, and for me,

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Speaker 1: it's always just been away, or at least starting out

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Speaker 1: was a way that I could be hunting all the time.

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Speaker 1: Just as someone that's obsessed with hunting, I thought, there's

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Speaker 1: gotta be a way I can do this all the time,

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Speaker 1: and for me, that was getting into guiding. Hey, I

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Speaker 1: mean really, I kind of made it a year round gig.

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Speaker 1: I travel the world, chasing the seasons. I go to

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Speaker 1: Southern Hemisphere when hunts would close down in the North,

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Speaker 1: travel different states, and then of course throwing my own

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Speaker 1: I probably spent way more nights in a sleeping bag

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Speaker 1: that's just a different story in itself. I think one

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Speaker 1: of the things that I'm most proud about is just

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Speaker 1: having that background and experience base as a guide and outfitter,

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Speaker 1: and well, of course building a good business and working

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Speaker 1: really hard for it and the time I was one

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Speaker 1: figured I'd answer both of them in this podcast. The

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Speaker 1: first is it regarding how do you become a hunting guide?

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Speaker 1: but there's really no job fair for it. There's really

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Speaker 1: And then you know, if I do choose to go guided,

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Speaker 1: us listen took place in Newfoundland and we're chasing moose

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Speaker 1: is this year. Actually, I told the story of the

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Speaker 1: a good option to think about when you're thinking about

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Speaker 1: planning that hunt, planning maybe that first kind of planning

424
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 1: a hunt out west, maybe planning a hunt where you

425
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 1: drew a special limited tag or something like that. So

426
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Speaker 1: I feel like we'll just kind of dive in and

427
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,160
Speaker 1: talk about the reasons why, like some good reasons why

428
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:13,880
Speaker 1: you might want to go on a guide and hunt

429
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 1: as opposed to do yourself or at least like look

430
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 1: at all the options. So the first is kind of

431
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,959
Speaker 1: the a major one, and this one for me is

432
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 1: the choice where it's like these are the kind of

433
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 1: the guide and hunts that they go and it would

434
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: be like legal restrictions. There's certain areas Alaska for mountain goats,

435
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 1: sheep and brown grizzly bear you have to have a guide.

436
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: Legally pretty much, if you're a US resident and if

437
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: you want to hunt anywhere in Canada, you have to

438
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,199
Speaker 1: have a guide. Um. There are a few exceptions with

439
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 1: some hunter hosts things that I mentioned before, but I mean,

440
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 1: by and large, you have to have a guide. Now,

441
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 1: even if you're a Canada resident of one province and

442
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Speaker 1: you want to hunt and say like BC, you actually

443
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 1: have to have a guide as well. So if you

444
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Speaker 1: live in Alberta and you want to hunt BC, you

445
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: to have a guide. UM. Now there's other like um,

446
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: access logistics. You know when I was guiding a lot

447
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 1: in New Zealand, Uh, you know, there's a lot of

448
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: places you can hunt, and it's like I do. I

449
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: mean I went over there and the reason that drew

450
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: me over there was being able to do some d

451
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: I Y hunts in essentially public land d I Y

452
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 1: hunts for myself and then but for most people it's like,

453
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: you're traveling all the way around the world. Do you

454
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 1: have the logistical ability to get in there and and

455
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 1: do those hunts yourself? Some people yes, majority of people know,

456
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: so they would hire a guide. Another thing would be

457
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 1: like equipment restrictions something where uh, think about like a

458
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: backcountry hunt in Alaska, or in order to access that

459
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: you might need a plane or a boat or something

460
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: that's like very hard to get where you're at. Um,

461
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: it's not just like where you can show a rent

462
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 1: a car and hike in. It might be a unit

463
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Speaker 1: that's X amount of miles from the road you need

464
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: a plane to access it. Or even like, um, let's

465
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: say a wilderness hunt where it's just better to have

466
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 1: a string of horses, or maybe you're gonna go do

467
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: a specific hunt like a mountain lion hunt and you

468
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: need to pack of dogs. It's like there's an equipment

469
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: restriction for something. You don't have a guided hunt that

470
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 1: I went on recently. Uh, something that I really wanted

471
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 1: to do for a long time was hunt snow geese.

472
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 1: But I was like, I didn't have two thousand decoys.

473
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 1: So I was like, Okay, instead of buying two thousand decoys,

474
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: I could go with a guy that has the decoys

475
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: and has the property or whatever and um and still

476
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: have that experience of hunting snow gees. Another reason, like

477
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 1: if you think about looking at a guided hunter going

478
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: d I y having a special tagger once in a

479
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 1: lifetime opportunity. I think if I think about the kind

480
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 1: of hunts where I would you know, potentially go with

481
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Speaker 1: a guide. There are a few hunts that I thought,

482
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: if I ever drew, I would hire a guide, even

483
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: though I really enjoy the aspect of you know, doing

484
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: it myself. I done almost the majority of I would say,

485
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: nine percent of my hunts have been d I y um,

486
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: aside from I suppose a couple in Alaska where I'm

487
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: able to you know, you have to have a guide

488
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: for legal reasons, and then Canada um just this year.

489
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Speaker 1: Uh so, you know. But like I thought about it,

490
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Speaker 1: and I was like, man, if I ever drew a

491
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: Missouri Breaks Sheep tag, I probably hire a guide because

492
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 1: I know that there's two rams, and I know that

493
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 1: I would want it to RAM, and I know myself

494
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: and know that I would have to scout the whole

495
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: season and probably hunt every day of the season, and

496
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: know that it would probably just be better to hire

497
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: somebody that has already done that over the years and

498
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: knows where the rams are and how access to certain

499
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 1: areas and whatever. Now I don't have to worry about

500
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: that because I don't actually even put in for that unit.

501
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 1: But if I did and I drew it, and if

502
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: I randomly put in for it when you're and drew it,

503
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: then I would probably hire a guide or maybe like

504
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: an errors on a strip meal der tag where it's like,

505
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 1: you you are never gonna draw this again. It's just

506
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: lucky that you got it, um, And it's like one

507
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: of the best hunts you could go for. And there's

508
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: you know, you could put in the time, but you

509
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: might not have the time to put in and you

510
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't and you'd want to do that once in a

511
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: lifetime opportunity. Justice. Good friend of mine, uh this year

512
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: drew an Arizona strip meal to your rifle tag. It

513
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: was like, I had hardly any points. It's like, all right,

514
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: you know he he had was not expecting it, and

515
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: I think he made the right movie. He hired, you know,

516
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: one of the best guides in the area. And it's like, yeah,

517
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: it costs a lot more than just going out on

518
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: your own, but you're also you're paying for that experience

519
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: of these guys are the best, they know the area,

520
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: they know, and you're never gonna get that tag again,

521
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: so you might as well do that tag. Justice, if

522
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: you have the ability to do that, and then you

523
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 1: know the flip side is you know that's that's kind

524
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: of a decision that you can make if you know

525
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: that opportunity rises. Now, another reason guys maybe think about

526
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: using you guys, just like your physical conditioning. Sometimes older

527
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: guys that maybe aren't the best shape don't have the

528
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: time to backpack into or the ability to backpack into

529
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: an area, so they hire a guy because of logistical reasons,

530
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: or maybe just um better access, like something where it

531
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: could be private land hunt where they've got there's gonna

532
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: be an easier, physically easier hunt, um, better access to

533
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: I don't know, animals that are unpressured, no other hunters.

534
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: Or it could be something where you're just like looking

535
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: for an experience that you can't get somewhere else. So

536
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: those are kind of reasons benefits of going guided. Now,

537
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: just if you're talking about general like, um, let's say

538
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: you guys like I'm going to go on an ELK hunt.

539
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: I really want to get an ELK So you could say,

540
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: well you could go you could do it yourself, public land, unguided,

541
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: and I think the average guy, you know, this isn't

542
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: necessarily people coming from a house to atre whathever. But

543
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: I read this was a Rocky Mountain Elk foundation a

544
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: long time ago. Don't know if it's still current because

545
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: there's a lot of new technology out there, but it's

546
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: like one in every seven years a guy would kill

547
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: an elk, like just on his own d I y

548
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: even people that live in areas where there self because

549
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: like one in seven years. I'm thinking, like, man, that's crazy,

550
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: but that's a long time. And then with a guide,

551
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: it's like cuts it down to like one in two

552
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: years or one in three years, So you cut the

553
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: time to success in half, and if it's with a

554
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: really good guy, to probably even less than that, so

555
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: you know the opportunity of having success or then the

556
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: other thing is just somebody that maybe doesn't know. Over

557
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: the course of my guiding, there's been a lot of

558
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: people that I've taken out that had never really had

559
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: those big game opportunities, never had somebody to show them

560
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: kind of got into it, got their feet wet, never

561
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: found success, and so it's like, let's go with somebody

562
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: that really knows what they're doing, where I can pick

563
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: up some tips and things that I can use back

564
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: home wherever I hunt, where I can kind of learn

565
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: from my mistakes or kind of be shown the ropes

566
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: and like feel comfortable and confident and maybe get that

567
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: first success or that that at least that experience with

568
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,479
Speaker 1: somebody that has some form of expert knowledge. And we

569
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: always talk a lot over this. Of the course of

570
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: this podcast, I've talked a ton of you know, you

571
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: get into the field and here's what you can expect

572
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: um on a guided hunt. I think that you should

573
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: also have like here's what I can expect, and I

574
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: think the one thing to expect is like, no matter

575
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: what the guided hunt, unless it's like some kind of

576
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: high fenced thing, success is not guaranteed. Even if you

577
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: pay a lot of money for whatever kind of hunt,

578
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: it's never guaranteed. Uh, it's wild animals, as wild conditions.

579
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,959
Speaker 1: Anything can happen, whether it can happen whatever, even if

580
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: it's in a really high percentage area. Nothing, I would say,

581
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: nothing is guaranteed. There's places where it's a lot higher

582
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: likelihood that you would kill something. I know that there's

583
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: you know, you see I've seen videos of guys hunting

584
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: some private ranches for elk, and it's like, man, if

585
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: you couldn't get one there, you aren't going to get

586
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: one anywhere. Um. You know, the opportunity abounds. But you know,

587
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: while I'm over here just like grinding and out for

588
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: some public land general unit ELK, you know, you could

589
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: be over here on some other place chasing private land

590
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: really well managed. Sure that gets zero pressure. Um. But

591
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,959
Speaker 1: even then success wouldn't be guaranteed, you know, unless like

592
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: I said, that's those you know, high fence thing, but

593
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: that I don't know, that's its own deal. We weren't

594
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: even talking about that, so um. You know. Another thing

595
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: to expect is the fact that whether you go guide

596
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: it or not, there's only so much a guide can

597
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: do for you. I used to always say, like, as

598
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: a guide, you have to do everything except pull the trigger,

599
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: and that includes like even helping guys set up because

600
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: you want to make sure that that shots successful. But

601
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: as a guided client, what you can do is you

602
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: can shoot and you can hike. If it's a physical hunt,

603
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: then you need to be in physical shape and prepared

604
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: and then also prepared with whatever you're hunting with. Whether

605
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: it's a bow, whether it's a rifle, whatever, you need

606
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: to be prepared with it because that's going to increase

607
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: your chances of success. Somebody can only help you out

608
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: so far. You know. They can they can spot the animal,

609
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: they can show you the area, they can get you

610
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: in on them, they can call the bowl in, but

611
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: they can't shoot it for you. So you have to

612
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: be able to keep up, you know. I would always

613
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: tell guys like, guys, I would ask what's your successory

614
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: And I'd be like, well, if it's me and I'm

615
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: out hunting, would be like, but that would mean that

616
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: you'd have to keep up with me exactly and be

617
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: able to shoot. And so you know, by adding those

618
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: two factors, and it really kind of changes the success

619
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: rate or the chance of success. Um. So if you

620
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: can manage the things that you can manage being in shape.

621
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: You know, if it's a physical hunt, I mean, if

622
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: it's a now I would say on the flip side,

623
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: if it's like a non physical hunt, like to say

624
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: that white tail, say you're a tree stand hunter, a

625
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: blind hunt, then you have to also then in that

626
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: case be able to sit or to be able to

627
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: do the task that you're supposed to do, and then

628
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: also be able to make a clean, ethical shot. And

629
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: that comes with practice. UM. At home in the off

630
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: season before the hunt, and those are the things that

631
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 1: you could do. I think it's good to talk about um,

632
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: you know, in like I would see this podcast as

633
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: a very d I Y centric podcast. But also there's

634
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: so many you know, by getting so many questions from

635
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: people about like I don't know about guided hunts, I

636
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: don't know how to like should I do a guided

637
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: and I'm kind of going this route or thinking about

638
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: this thing. I'd like to try it myself, but don't

639
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: have the time. So you know, you just kind of

640
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: got a factor in. I think for a lot of people,

641
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: if you factored, if you penciled it out, they're probably

642
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: about equal in cost going guided or going unguided, because

643
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: if you go on guided, it might take you three

644
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: or four years to figure it out, maybe more to

645
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: figure it out to get comfortable, to be successful. And

646
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys that go out the first

647
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: year and find success, but for the average person, that's

648
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,719
Speaker 1: just not what happens. So you know, they do it

649
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: over the course of multiple years and it takes a while,

650
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: and then you know you've got your time spread out,

651
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: but you can do it yourself. A lot of the

652
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: fun is in that planning preparation and finding that success yourself.

653
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: On the flip side, you know you can you can

654
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: pay more for a guided hunt, but the logistics are

655
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: taking care of. The scouting is taking care of the transportation,

656
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: and the camping and all those kind of things are

657
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: are taken care of, so you don't have to think

658
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: about that other stuff. You don't have to spend that

659
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: extra time if you've got a limited amount of time

660
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's a good way to get into success earlier,

661
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: and you know, in the long run, sometimes it just

662
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: pencils itself out. So it's really just more of a

663
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: personal choice and sometimes factoring in those other things. But

664
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: it's good to talk about because obviously a lot of

665
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: people are interested in it. I think one of the

666
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: questions too, is like how do you find a good guide?

667
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: And I hate to say it, but the good ones

668
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: are probably already booked out. Probably can't get with them.

669
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: I know, being a new father. H if I were

670
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: to go find a good daycare place, they don't have

671
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: them available. They are all booked out. I know because

672
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: I among like eight waiting lists um or like a

673
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: good we want trading get our daughter and swim lessons.

674
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: It's like the place that you want to go to

675
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: no spots available. The best you can do is get

676
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: on a waiting list. Then you probably won't get in. UM.

677
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: And I hate to say that, but that's true. So

678
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: you know, as a as somebody that's been on a

679
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 1: couple of guided hunts, you know, I'm more on the

680
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: guiding side of it than they going on the guided hunt. Abortion.

681
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 1: But one thing that I would always recommend to clients

682
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: they do would even book with me when I'm starting out,

683
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: is call some of our references guys that have been successful,

684
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: guys that haven't been successful. See especially the guys the

685
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: guys that you want to talk to the guys that

686
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: weren't successful, because the guys are successful probably are stoked. Um.

687
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: But that's not always the case. You know, talk to

688
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,479
Speaker 1: some people were in the mouth. That's probably the best way,

689
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: UM there are you know. I know when I was

690
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: starting out is like I was trying to book Hunters

691
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: and it was difficult, and the guys that did book

692
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: were like, well, this is the best time we've ever

693
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: been on it. And so I was like, you could

694
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: get in on the ground floor and and have something good. Um.

695
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: But you know, just talking to people that have been

696
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: on the hunt. It's a great way, you know, talking

697
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: to somebody that's reputable. Um, I actually kinda I mean

698
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of friends. You know, I've been

699
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: doing this a long time, so I'm fortunate enough. I've

700
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: got a lot of friends that also do the same thing.

701
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: We know, we run in the same circles, We go

702
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 1: to the same convention kind of things, we hunt together,

703
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 1: we do things outside of UH in the off season,

704
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 1: or one guy will come down and hunting or guide

705
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: with us and we'll go up there and do the same.

706
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: Just depends, you know, like back and forth, and so

707
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: through that, I've got to meet a lot of good

708
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: guides and know a lot of people that that are good. Um.

709
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 1: Actually kind of like I have been starting a little

710
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: booking agency kind of thing just to recommend people to

711
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: places that I know or are pretty solid. Call it

712
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: my remy warrant expeditions. If you want to check it

713
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: out and go for it, Um you can get kind

714
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: of my recommendations. But um, you know, outside of that,

715
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: just kind of finding places, you know, talking to people

716
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: that maybe have been on hunts, whether it's friends, word

717
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: of mouth, that's a great way to do it. You know.

718
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,959
Speaker 1: You could do the random internet search and then once

719
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: you find something kind of just do your due diligence. Uh,

720
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: talk to people that have been there, I think is

721
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: a good way and just get a good feel for it.

722
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: You know, but there are out there. I hate to

723
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: say it because I am as an outfit. There are

724
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: a lot of jokers out there. Man, you gotta be careful. Um.

725
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: I guided over the years many hunters that have gone

726
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: on hunts. There's probably more bad ones than good ones,

727
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: and I hate it's really really really unfortunate. But there

728
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: are some good ones that are really good and they

729
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: do the whole experience right, and they know what they're doing,

730
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: and they're professional and they're experts and they hire expert

731
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: guides and it's an incredible experience to go as somebody

732
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: that does that for a living. And so, um yeah,

733
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 1: you just gotta kinda I wish that there was like

734
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 1: an easier way to figure it out, like weed through

735
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: the sift through the garbage. But really it's just a

736
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: word of mouth and talking to somebody that has done

737
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: the hunt or like, you know, how's a good reputation

738
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: now on the flip side. Maybe you are a guy

739
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: like myself. This just or guy or gal doesn't matter.

740
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: Um that is just absolutely obsessed with hunting, and you're like, man,

741
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: I just want to hunt every day possible. I was like, cool.

742
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: I remember my first guiding job. I think I think

743
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: maybe I've told this story before. Maybe I haven't, but anyways,

744
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: I factored it out right. I was like, it's kind

745
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: of a long story, but anyways, the outfitter that was

746
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: working for had a heart attack. I ended up having

747
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: to like take care of the horror says, feed all

748
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 1: the dogs, Um, get up, cook breakfast, because the cook

749
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: had to rush him to the hospital. Like cook breakfast,

750
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: do dinner, do the dishes. I think I slept like

751
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: two hours a night for seven days. I'm that type

752
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: of person that could take naps. I'd just be like

753
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: if guys were napping in the middle of day. I'm

754
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: glass like, I'm just I was just working my ass off, right,

755
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: and I think I penciled it out. Like I had

756
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: to pay for gas in my vehicle and had to

757
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: get to this particular places in the Swan Value in Montana,

758
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: like round the Bob Marshall and there was you know,

759
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: drive from where I was at. My truck got like

760
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: eight miles of the gallons that had to cover my gas,

761
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: and yeah, I had to have a guide license with

762
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: like a hundred bucks. So that first guide trip that

763
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: I guided, I think I made like seventeen cents an hour.

764
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: And I was like, hot jokes on you guys, I

765
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: would have done this for free, you know. I mean

766
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: I got after that first week, I was like, man,

767
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: what these guys didn't know is I would have done

768
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: this for free. Like I was so stoked. I was like,

769
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 1: I want to do this the red to my life,

770
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: Like this is so awesome. I was like, this is

771
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: the best thing ever, you know. And if you're that

772
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: type of person where it's like that's you know, you

773
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: want that lifestyle, then guiding is for you. And I think,

774
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: you know, I actually wrote an article for Western Hunter

775
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: magazine many years ago, uh, talking about how to be

776
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: and I was like, how to be an Elkie guide?

777
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: But um, you know, whether it's an Elk guide, whether

778
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: it's whatever. I think the first step it's kind of

779
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: similar to anything, but you have to have the passion

780
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: for it, and then you know the easiest way to

781
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: get into it. Someone says, I mean, I really want

782
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: to be a guide. How do I get into it?

783
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: I say, the first thing is look for guiding jobs

784
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: where you're at the areas that you know really well.

785
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: Like if you are in Missouri and you take people

786
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: out and whatever, like find places around where you hunt

787
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: because you're familiar with it. You know, you can build

788
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: that reputation. For me. I decided that I wanted to

789
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: guide in Montana because it was like a consistent season

790
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: compared to I grew up in Nevada. But I also

791
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: my grandpa that in Montana hunted every year and knew

792
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: the area pretty well. But I ended up just like

793
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: loading up my truck and driving up and just being like,

794
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: all right, I'm just gonna like be here until I

795
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: figure it out. And I knew the area really well. Um,

796
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: but I went into an area that I knew really

797
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: well and then ran into a outfitter that was like

798
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: realized that I knew the area really well. I was like,

799
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: let me give you a job, because if you're into

800
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: somebody somewhere that you know and like that barrier of

801
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: having to show someone something is gone, then it's gonna

802
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: be a lot more likely that you're able to secure

803
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: guiding jobs. So I know that there's a lot of

804
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, I want to go do one

805
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: of these guide schools or whatever, and they ask about

806
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: that that's not the way that I did it, not

807
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: saying the way that I did it's the only way

808
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: to do it. So I know that there's guys that

809
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 1: have gone to some of these guide schools and kind

810
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: of got guide positions. Um, but I think that the

811
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 1: first step would be kind of figuring out somewhere close

812
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: by that you're already familiar with, areas that you already hunt,

813
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: places that you've already been. That's the easiest way to

814
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: kind of get your foot in the door. In my opinion,

815
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: guiding is just like any other job. You know, you

816
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: gotta have a resume, you know. I hate to break

817
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: it to most people are like, I'm not I don't

818
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: really hunt that much, but I really enjoyed it when

819
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 1: I go out, and I want to make this a living.

820
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: That's great, but you need the experience. It's just like anything. Man.

821
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: If I was like, I would really like to do

822
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: brain surgery, but I didn't go to school for it,

823
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: and I didn't like, I know nothing about it, but

824
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: that's really what I want to do. But it's the

825
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: easiest way to do that, and I don't want to

826
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: do that like long route of like having to learn

827
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: an area and do all this other stuff. I just

828
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: want to do it. Um, it's not gonna work for

829
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: that person, you know, I'm not saying guiding his brain surgery, right,

830
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: there's a big difference there. But it's just like any job, man,

831
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: you gotta have the knowledge base to get hired to

832
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: do something, and so you need to build up your skills,

833
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 1: you need to build up your resume. And that might

834
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: be just like obviously taking people, not for money, but

835
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: just like taking people your friend is out um hunting

836
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: as much as possible, like getting that experience. It's like

837
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: when a buddy has a tag. I was the guy

838
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: that was always there, like let's go hunting, let's go

839
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: you know, like building that up. And so when somebody,

840
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: when the opportunity for a guide job presented itself, it's

841
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: like here, I've got like this experience, this experience, this experience.

842
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: I can show somebody pictures from all these hunts that

843
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: I've been on. I already had the experience and the

844
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: knowledge and became an expert in what I was doing. Now,

845
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: there are other routes to get into it, and so

846
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: the other one that we talked about was like this

847
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: guide school thing. Um, you know, I think that that's

848
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: a really good one for you. Gotta kind of decide

849
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: the type of area that you wanna work in. So

850
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: you're like, let's say you're from Pennsylvania and you're like,

851
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: I want to be an elk guide because that's like,

852
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: that is the dream that is the pinnacle of In

853
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: my opinion, elk guiding and sheep guiding is like the tops.

854
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: That's the best. So you know, like, but I don't

855
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: have elk where I'm at, and how do I do that? Well?

856
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: There is an option to do guide school kind of thing,

857
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: but what that's mostly teaching is that can't really teach you,

858
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: no matter what they advertise. I'm just gonna tell you

859
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 1: too straight. You aren't gonna learn how to lk hunt

860
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: really well doing that without actually lk hunting. But what

861
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: you will get is horse experience. You know, you'll learn

862
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: how to pack horses, you'll learn how to trail horses,

863
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: You'll learn you'll be a good packer, and from there

864
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: you can kind of build your way up into getting

865
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: experienced elk hunting. Because there's the nice thing about those

866
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 1: kind of areas, wilderness type guide areas is you don't

867
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: necessarily need to know that specific areas. So I always

868
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: would break it down into like picking your job and

869
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: then building your resume based on that job. So if

870
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: you're like, hey, I want to get into elk guiding,

871
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: you know, but I don't have any experience in a

872
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: particular area, then I would say there's two kinds that

873
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: are good for you, Um, wilderness type areas, because you

874
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: necessarily need to know the whole area, just need to

875
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: know where you're packing into and then be familiar with

876
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: horses and then have some milk knowledge. Um, you know,

877
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: there's two kinds of guides. So there's the guides that

878
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: know the animal really well inside and out and they

879
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: could guide anywhere. You know, a guy that knows elk,

880
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 1: he could guide in Nevada, he could guide in Utah,

881
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: guide in Arizona, doesn't matter. You bring him to a

882
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: place where there's elk, that guy will find elk. And

883
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: now somebody that has a lot of experience chasing elk.

884
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: And then there's the kind of guy that maybe doesn't

885
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: have that same amount of experience, but once to gain

886
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 1: that experience, So that that's kind of maybe somebody that's

887
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: looking for a job that's not necessarily have that certain experience,

888
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: but maybe a job that doesn't necessarily need that experience,

889
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: it's like where you can gain that experience as you

890
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: do it. So that guide school will probably be a

891
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: really good way to get your foot into elk country, um,

892
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: through packing, through learning about horses, because you can you

893
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: can learn that skill um, And it's like, uh, I

894
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: wouldn't say it's like a It's like that's something that

895
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 1: can be taught without and you'll get that experience while

896
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: doing it. And then as you get years of going

897
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: into the field and you'll start learning about elk, you'll

898
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: start understanding how to elk hunt, and then you can

899
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: build some of that elk hunting skill. So I would

900
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: say the first thing is, you know, obviously get out,

901
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: get experience, and then with that experience, go to place

902
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: that makes sense to get a job somewhere that's nearby,

903
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: somewhere that you um have interacted with, hunted with, Somewhere

904
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: that you can kind of understand, like there's guys that

905
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: know an area um, those guys that are always probably

906
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: at the top. The guys that know an area and

907
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: then know how to hunt the animals in that area

908
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: are probably the you know, the top of the resume heat.

909
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: And then there's those guys that really know the animals

910
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 1: and can go anywhere. Those guys are at the top,

911
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: and then there's you know, kind of the bottom, the

912
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: guys that are like working their way up, but they've

913
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: got to do other jobs to kind of get up

914
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: to that position where they can actually eventually guide. So

915
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: that's how I would say if I was your like

916
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 1: hunting guide, school, guidance counselor those would be my tips

917
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: and how to make hunting and outdoors lifestyle living. One

918
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: thing I should say is I think a lot of

919
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: people don't realize, and this is every state is different,

920
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 1: But as many rules as there are for hunting, there's

921
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: probably even more rules and regulations over guiding and outfitting

922
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: because it's not something in most places now. So this

923
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: is just like one of those things like learn the

924
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: laws of the land. I don't know where you live,

925
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: so I'm not giving you legal advice for anything, but

926
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: I am saying that it's not something where you can

927
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: just say, oh, I really want to UM be a guide,

928
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 1: So you just throw up a website, start advertising, and

929
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: have people pay you to take them out. That's not

930
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: legal almost anywhere. UM. There's a lot of hoops you

931
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: have to jump through. There's a lot of things that

932
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: you have to do. So there's guides and there's outfitters.

933
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: So a guide is the person that was like in

934
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: the field physically like UM taking the person out, and

935
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: then an outfitter is somebody that's allowed to hire guides.

936
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: So in most states, especially out West, only an outfit

937
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: is allowed to receive money. And it's actually a felony

938
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: to call yourself an outfitter if you're not an outfitter,

939
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: like in the state of Montana, that would be a felony.

940
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 1: If I said I'm an outfitter and I'm not an outfitter,

941
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: that's felony because there's so many hoops that somebody would

942
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: have to jump through to become that position that if

943
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: you don't have those requirements, then you know, it would

944
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: kind of like circumnavigate. UM. A system that's set up

945
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: that includes like UM liability insurance, that includes legal permits

946
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: to be on certain lands like forest service permits, UM,

947
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: state land leases all kinds of stuff. There's a lot

948
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: of different things. So generally, if you want to get

949
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 1: into guiding, you have to work underneath an outfitter. It's licensed,

950
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: that's insured. UM. Generally you have to have your own

951
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: license or your own insurance UM in order to be

952
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 1: an outfit or you often have to take a test.

953
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: You often have to UM you know, have certain permits

954
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: and other things. So it's not something you can generally

955
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: just start up and do. Now, every state's different, you know,

956
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: maybe uh the Midwest or East. You know, if you're

957
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: on your own private land, that kind of changes some things. UM.

958
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: Certain places obviously you got to look into that. But

959
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: you know, you would have to start under an outfitter

960
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: generally speaking, and can get a license through whatever state

961
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: you're in. UM. And it is a very regulated kind

962
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 1: of thing. So accepting money to take people hunting in

963
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: most places is illegal unless you have the proper licensing.

964
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: So I should put that out there, is like just

965
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: so people know, because I don't think a lot of

966
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: people realize that there are a lot of hoops and

967
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: a lot of things you've got to jump through to

968
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 1: do that. So that's why you always start out working

969
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: as a guide underneath an outfitter and then from there.

970
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: Like when I got my outfitting license, you have to

971
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: have a hundred days registered through an outfitter before you

972
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: can even test for your outfit a license yourself. Um,

973
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: so there is a lot of things that you have

974
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: to go through, But to start out, you would be

975
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: applying as a guide underneath an outfitter, and that's the

976
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 1: way that you would start to get into it. Thank

977
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: you all against so much for listening. As always, I

978
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: appreciate all the support, comments, everything. Next week we're gonna

979
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,120
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980
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981
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,760
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982
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983
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984
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985
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986
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987
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988
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989
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991
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997
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998
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999
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1000
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,799
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1001
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