1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Hi guys, and welcome back to this week's episode of 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: the Lesbi Real Podcast. I'm Sammy J. Today I got 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: to chat with Ben Barnes. He's an incredible actor. You 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: may have seen him in The West World, Shadow and Bone, 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: Chronicles of Narnia, and much more. Ben. Actually, you just 6 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: came out with an EP called Songs for You, and 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: I genuinely love this EP. It brings me happiness when 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: I listened to it. It is so soulful. Ben. If 9 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: you're listening, thank you so much for coming on my podcast. 10 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed this conversation, and I know all of 11 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: you will too. I hope you guys enjoy Ben. Welcome 12 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: to my podcast. I'm so excited we take it this out. 13 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, Sammy. I have to say 14 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: your EP, Songs for You, I'm obsessed. And I'm not 15 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: just saying that because here's the thing. When a lot 16 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: of people go into music, they generally do the basic 17 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:04,559 Speaker 1: pop standard, nothing really original with it. But I got 18 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: some Michael Boublet vibes, I got a little bit of 19 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: Queen in there, and it's just it feeds my soul. 20 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: That is the best review I will ever get it 21 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: feeds my soul. That's what I was going for. Well, 22 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: you nailed it. That's what music does for me. Though. 23 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: I think growing up particularly like Queen is like the 24 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: sound of me being ten and twelve and fifteen and forty. 25 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: But also like all those like those like Ray, Charles 26 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: and James all that, all that kind of mood music 27 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: is like everything that I aspire to be and feel. 28 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: And I love all that wrap pack stuff as well, 29 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: Christmas music, all that, all of that stuff that's like 30 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: nourishes your soul, like you say, And so I was 31 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: just trying to I didn't quite know what my music 32 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: would exactly sound like. I didn't have an exact thing 33 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: in my head, but I knew I wanted to like 34 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: sprinkle a little bit of all of their gold dust 35 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: into my cauldron and see what was spat out the 36 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: other side. Yeah, well let's get into that. You almost 37 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: put up music like twenty years ago, and now you're 38 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: coming back around to it. Why didn't you then? And 39 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: what makes you go back to it now? Um? So, 40 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: I think it's a few things. When I was nineteen, 41 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: I signed to a music manager and I was singing 42 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: some jazz stuff and it didn't kind of pan out 43 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: the way that I hoped it would. It was the 44 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: very first year that any of those like Pop Idol 45 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: American Idol shows came out, and that just took over, 46 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: and that was the only music thing anyone was interested in, 47 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: and my dreams kind of slipped through my fingers like 48 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,119 Speaker 1: sand and and I kind of got a bit disillusion 49 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: with it and thought, maybe this isn't what I'm supposed 50 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: to be doing. But I wasn't really writing my own stuff. 51 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: I was doing impressions of Sinatra that can Coal or 52 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: or Stevie Wonder or I would do tribute concerts and 53 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: soul nights and all those things when I was in 54 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: high school and stuff. But it was never like me, me, me, me, 55 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: And I didn't know like what I wanted to sound 56 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: like or what I really wanted to say. And and 57 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: I think after being kind of disillusioned like that, the 58 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: thought of writing my own songs and putting them out 59 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: just I got a little bit um. I think I 60 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: was just a little bit fearful of what the judgment 61 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: of that would be, not having complete confidence myself what 62 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: that would sound like. And if I did know what 63 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: it sounds like, sounded like what what would I want 64 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: to say? And I think it just takes some of 65 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: us sometimes a little bit longer to make good on 66 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: our deals with ourselves that think the promises we make 67 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: ourselves that will prioritize this or do this in our lives. 68 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: And I think during the pandemic, I spent a lot 69 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: of time talking in my head to like the eight 70 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: year old version of myself saying I didn't who didn't 71 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: like totally we all had these crises of identity. But 72 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: I was speaking to grand Pappy Barnes saying, like what 73 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: do I what do I? You know you're you're going 74 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: to regret not doing this in your life. There's no thing, 75 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: there's nothing to be afraid of, Like, there's nothing like 76 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: anyone who would judge it negatively. I'm not particularly interested 77 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: in those people in life. And it might put a 78 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 1: smile on someone's face. And honestly, two days after I 79 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: put out my first song, there was this There was 80 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: this video this I think it was a TikTok of 81 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: this girl dancing in her kitchen, smiling, spinning around listening 82 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: to my song, and I was like, this video alone 83 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: is worth making the album for. This is like I'm 84 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: so happy to watching this right now, and then people 85 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: were doing like pole dancing and like ice skating routines 86 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: to it, and like it's like talk about feed your soul, Like, yeah, 87 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: that did it for me. It's like you miss all 88 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: the shots you don't take. And I think putting yourself 89 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: out there can be really scary and vulnerable, especially as 90 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: an actor when people see you your different characters, you 91 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: haven't put yourself out there, and putting out your music 92 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: is putting yourself out there without any mask. What has 93 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: that been like stepping into yourself in this new time 94 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: of your life. Yeah, it's it's it's that's very astute. 95 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: And that's exactly you know. I feel like I've been 96 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,559 Speaker 1: nudging myself towards this for the twenty years of my career, 97 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: where I look at a character and I try and 98 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: syringe pieces of myself into it, and I try and 99 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: make make those characters, even if they're like psycho killers 100 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: or like, you know, as far from me as you 101 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: could possibly get. I tried to find a little piece 102 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: of myself that I can just butter that toast with, 103 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: just to just to make it feel honest and grounded 104 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: and truthful. Um, but but I think it just it 105 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: just became time for me to offer something into the 106 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: world that was more innately and purely and authentically just 107 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: from me, um and about me, and and that's what 108 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: this and that's what this songs for you EP became. 109 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: And that's what's so beautiful. I feel like everyone came 110 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: to their own realization during the pandemic, whether that was 111 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: finding a new passion or coming across the passion that 112 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: they forgot they had. Was there a specific moment you're like, Okay, 113 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: I have to do music, or was it like a 114 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: continuing thing where you just kind of happened. I think 115 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: it's always been a continuing thing. Like I've always had 116 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: like notebooks that I've written, like little phrases people say, 117 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: or little things that rhyme in my head or something 118 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: I've read somewhere, and I'll often like type that on 119 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: my phone and then put it in a notebook. And um, 120 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: you know, I spent hours sitting at my little at 121 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: my piano there and kind of not that I really 122 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: know anything about music, but I'll just move my fingers 123 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: around until it sounds scrunchy to me, and it sounds 124 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: like a feeling that I've had, so it was a 125 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: little bit painstaking from that perspective, but um, yeah, it was. 126 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: As I say, it's it's always been something that I 127 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: wanted to do, but the pandemic really really sped up 128 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: and rushed through that feeling of if if not now, 129 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: when like, you don't want to regret not don't want 130 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: to regret not doing this, and so it just became 131 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: very clear to me and that was very freeing that 132 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: that really like released me. Like when you put out music, 133 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: it's called a release, and it feels like I've dropped something, 134 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: I've let go of this like expectation of myself to 135 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: do this, and you know, and the really beautiful thing 136 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: is no one can ever take it away from me, 137 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: like I am forever now a songwriter and a singer 138 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: and a musician. You have that title now. And I 139 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: think one of the great things about just like I 140 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: know that feeling, like for me, that's releasing the podcast. 141 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: When we're planning a season and it's releasing it, I'm like, 142 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: oh my god, Okay, it's out in the world. People 143 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: can interpret it in any way that you want, but 144 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: you did your job and that's all you can do. 145 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: And if you're happy with it. That's what matters. You 146 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: made this and no one can unmake it. Exactly exactly 147 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: where did your passion for music start? My passion enthusic 148 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: I think my dad probably he was playing. He would 149 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: play like all these seventies rock bands like the Stones 150 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: and the Beatles and the Who and the Eagles and 151 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: Queen and just all these brilliant bands. Would you know, 152 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: when he was at home, he would be he would 153 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: be blasting those um. And so I think that's probably 154 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: where it started. And then I would like root around 155 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: in the back of his vinyls and find the and 156 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: find the raychels, and I'd find that, you know, the 157 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: rat pack stuff and like all of that stuff that 158 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: he had but didn't play as often. Um. And then 159 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: when I was just when I was in school, I 160 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: would play the drums in like big bands. My first 161 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: ever job, when I was fifteen, I played the drums 162 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: in a West End London production of Bugsy Malone. That's awesome. Um. 163 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: And I've never honestly, I've done a lot of things 164 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 1: in my life that other people might think we're exciting, 165 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: but I've never felt cooler than when I would, like 166 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: in the middle of a class on like a Wednesday, 167 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: because we'd have a matinee at like eleven o'clock in 168 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: the morning. I stand up and be like, sorry, yeah, 169 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: I've got to go. I've got a job being a 170 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: drummer in the in the West end of you to 171 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: go be a musician right now, in the middle of 172 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: a class, to stand up and grab your drumsticks and 173 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: be like, peace out. I have never felt cooler than that. Yeah, yeah, 174 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: because I wasn't cool and I didn't feel seen and 175 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: I didn't feel like like I felt totally invisible, I 176 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: think when I was at school and so so I 177 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: think like, just to have that moment of saying this 178 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: is something that I do that you don't know about, 179 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 1: I felt really good. I totally agree high school was 180 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: not it for me. I am very glad to be 181 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: out of it. If you're in high school and you're listening, no, 182 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: it is temporary. It gets better. It gets so much better. 183 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: And I heard people say that to me, but I 184 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: didn't believe it, but I wish I did, because I 185 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: still don't understand those people who say, oh, yeah, school 186 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 1: was the best best days of my life. And I 187 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: can understand maybe if you were like the high school 188 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,079 Speaker 1: quarterback and like you were the king of everything. I 189 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: can understand in high school though, like who wants to 190 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: peak and eyes? Well I don't, but I can understand 191 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: those people saying that was there there, you know they 192 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 1: remember it's really fondly or whatever. But but no, you're right, No, 193 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: I'm playing a long game here. I will say that 194 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: high school musical did me dirty because I thought going 195 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: into high school I would be like all these cute 196 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: boys and then no, it's like all these pre pubous 197 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: and eighth graders like all joining what you think. But 198 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: that's because when when you watch films when you're fifteen, 199 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: that those those actors are twenty five. Okay, why don't 200 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: people cast like the actual eight I don't know, but 201 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: I looked so young when I was seventeen, I looked 202 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: about fourteen, and so I could never have played the age. 203 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: And then when I was twenty five, I got cast 204 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: in this pilot on the c W called Split Decision, 205 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,719 Speaker 1: which never made it to air. But it was kind 206 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,239 Speaker 1: of like that movie Sliding Doors, like it's saw um 207 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: it saw like a girl's first day of high school 208 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: too different ways, and like depending on whether she sat 209 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: with the cool kids or like the nerds like it 210 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: would see how her life went. And I was I 211 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: was the jock, the quarterback. My name was Chris Kinkaid, 212 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: and I had like a like a letter's jacket. But 213 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: I was like twenty two or something out twenty three, 214 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: something like that. I can't quite remember, but I was 215 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: definitely thinking, Ah, now I'm cool enough to be seventeen. Yeah, 216 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: it's you know, you've said it so perfectly. That's the 217 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: thing about movies and TV shows. It just gives you 218 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: a false sense of what life is like in some ways. 219 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: But you know, I will say something that I think 220 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: is super interesting is you've played a lot of villains. Um, 221 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: you don't seem like a very Yeah, you don't seem 222 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: like a very villainous person. You seem very nice. You 223 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: do look scary in her. But the thing is, I 224 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: think what's so interesting is in your more recent projects, 225 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: it's often in a very dystopian world. You know, it's 226 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 1: in a different universe and it's an escape. And music 227 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: does the same thing. So I'm curious what draws you 228 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: to kind of that escape bism to put your worries away, 229 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: whether that's in acting, or in music. So so I 230 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: think there's two things. One one is that I do 231 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: love that escapeist stuff and I'm just a big fan 232 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 1: of like fantasy stuff and it's just storytelling. I love 233 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: to escape into series and stuff. I am an unabashed 234 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: like binger of TV and movies. What's your best binge? 235 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: I mean everything, test me, I will. I mean, like 236 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: I just finished a good game, I haven't seen it yet. Well, 237 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: then I win because in the first, the first one 238 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: we've mentioned. Can I tell you why I think I 239 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 1: win this one? Because I watched Breaking Bad in nine days. 240 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: Oh oh, I see what you mean by your best binge? Um, 241 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: six seasons over forty five minutes. It was my big 242 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: It was like the beginning of the pandemic. I was like, 243 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. That is that is that is 244 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: actually that is actually credible. Um. Yeah, I'm impressed. I'm 245 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: trying to think what my best bringers are. I'm sure 246 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: I did some seasons of Um, what have I done 247 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: really quickly? I'm sure back in the day, I did 248 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: some seasons of twenty four or something like that very fast. 249 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sure I probably tried to do it 250 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: in twenty four hours and failed epically. But yeah, I've 251 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: definitely had a few of those. But I think so 252 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: I love all the escapism, but the main draw I 253 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: think of those things and the reason that I've sort 254 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: of been um I think anyway, I kind of found 255 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: myself this little niche of like villains but not really 256 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: villains like humans. Yeah you've answered my God, damn you, 257 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 1: damn samny j you you've answered my my answer before 258 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: I've done it. But yeah, I like my my quest 259 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: in life, whether it's songwriting or just like the way 260 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: I have friendships and the way I connect with people 261 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: is always about like trying to eat all the sides 262 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: of it and you know, just empathy and human and 263 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: and so when I see these characters, I'm like, Okay, 264 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: so on West World, my character, this guy's a douche bag. 265 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: But why And then you find out in the second 266 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: season that actually he's had this very strange relationship with 267 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: his dad and doesn't feel like he's loved and is 268 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: acting out like a baby, you know, and we all 269 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: have this like Russian doll of ourselves, Like I think, 270 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: like the teenager, the strappy teenager that we were, and 271 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: the love that Russian dollar of yourselves. It's so right 272 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: like that, I see what you're saying though this you know, 273 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: the hangry baby and the strappy teenager, and then the 274 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: like adventurous twenty year old and the like you know, 275 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: trying to be more majorre than you are thirty year old, 276 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: and then this slightly more together for your like, we 277 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: we gather these things together and they never go away. 278 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: And then when we're tired or or stressed or whatever, 279 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: like these these things like like they they kind of 280 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: come out on us. And I just think all people 281 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: have the power to be every thing and the capacity 282 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: to feel everything. And so when I get these villainous 283 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: kind of characters, I'm interested in telling those stories about hope. 284 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: And if I'm the obstacle, that's that's that's how I 285 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: fit into the story. But I want to find those 286 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: little ways that I can humanize. And you know, if 287 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: if the character is scary, where is where is he vulnerable? 288 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: And if the character is cold, what what can make 289 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: him feel warm? Um? You know, if the character is 290 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: is tense, where do we see those little moments of 291 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: him relax? You know, I think I think I'm always 292 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: trying to look at things from two sides, and I 293 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: think that's what I'm trying to do with my music 294 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: as well. It's very interesting. I'm in film school, by 295 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: the way, are you amazing? Yes, So I'm learning about 296 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: just directing camera and goes and all the stuff, and 297 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: I find it so fascinating the ways you can tell 298 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: a story and how you can do that without even words. 299 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: You can just do that through cinematography totally. What would 300 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: you say your most impactful moment you've had on set? 301 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: I think there's there are so many. Um. I think 302 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: it's always actually useful to think about the moments in 303 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: which you feel like you failed a bit, because then 304 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: you can look back and see how much you've grown. 305 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: And I think I think I remember being quite overwhelmed 306 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: on the first Narnia movie and looking at these incredible 307 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: sets and costumes and you know, stunt departments and you know, 308 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: hundreds of extras on horses, and it's just this overwhelmingly 309 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: wonderful life event for me. But I remember there was 310 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: a scene where I was supposed to be kind of 311 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: melancholy and the director sort of said, oh, what's your 312 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: sort of process to get into this? And I don't 313 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: know if I even really had one at that point, 314 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: like I didn't know enough about what I was doing, 315 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: and I felt a little bit ashamed that I couldn't 316 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: sort of I wasn't giving them him what he wanted. 317 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: And I think now, you know, fifteen years, twenty years 318 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: later or whatever, like I I've sort of pride myself 319 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: on being able to put myself into any situation and 320 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: feel any human emotion and convey that. Um, but it's 321 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: something that I've worked on really, really hard over a 322 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: long period of time. So I think, um, you know, 323 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: just being being challenged, I think is probably the key 324 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: moments where and and actually the kind of direction that 325 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: I love from a director is once they've sort of 326 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: once you've sort of gone a trust, if they'd just 327 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: come up to you and sort of say I don't 328 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: believe you. You know, it's just a very simple piece 329 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: of challenging direction because then you're like, Okay, in this take, 330 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: I must tell the truth, or in this take, I 331 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,239 Speaker 1: must really listen to what they're saying, or something very 332 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: specific like that. I think if you take one thing 333 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: into the way that you're doing something, often like everything 334 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: else then just slots into place. Okay, we have to 335 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: take a quick break, but when we come back, I 336 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: want to talk more about acting, specifically the auditioning process, 337 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: your new EP, and much more will be right back. Yeah, 338 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: something that is very interesting they want to bring up 339 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: with you is I have a lot of friends that 340 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: are actors, and something that I've realized is the job 341 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: is auditioning, Like that is the full time job. And 342 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: then when you get cast, that's great, But the full 343 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: time job is auditioning and oftentimes rejection um and that 344 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: can be really hard, especially when it's constant, and if 345 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: you're in an industry when they're like thousands of you. Essentially, 346 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: how have you dealt with that throughout your career and 347 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: what advice do you have for people who are listening 348 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: that want to get into acting or are but they're 349 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 1: coming back with just rejections after audition and audition. I mean, 350 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 1: I think there's no way around that. You have to 351 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: develop a bit of a thick skin with it. And 352 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't stop at auditions, you know. I there are 353 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: films that I did earlier in my Creator which the 354 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: response was so critical and negative and poisonous, and you 355 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: have to develop a bit of a thick skin and 356 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: remember why you love it, and remember why you keep pushing, 357 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: and remember why you you kind of hang in there. Um. 358 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 1: I think with auditions it's about reframing it to an 359 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 1: opportunity for you to show them what you would do 360 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: with this material. You look at these words, and remember 361 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,959 Speaker 1: that only you'll only really ever get cast in anything 362 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: because you're you, not because of some magic tricks circus 363 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 1: trick that you'll pull off. Yes, maybe if you can 364 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: do a certain skill or do a certain accent, that 365 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: will help. But actually they've got something in mind when 366 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: you walk in. But everyone who watches you walk into 367 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: the room wants it to be you. They want to 368 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 1: find the person. So if you come in with all 369 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: of your you, all of your essence, all of like 370 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: what you took from these words and you it's a 371 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: it's an opportunity for you to present what you make 372 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: of of what you've read, basically, and and if you 373 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: leave that in there, then then you can never have 374 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 1: any regret about what you offered them. And if they 375 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 1: did choose it, it's you know, it's it's simply because 376 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: they had a different idea of what it was, not 377 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: because of anything you did or didn't do. Um. Trying 378 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: to please other people is never going to be the 379 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: way forward. It's going to be the thing that it's 380 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: going to be. Do it the way that you want 381 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: to do it. And if you keep doing that, eventually 382 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: someone that you know, someone will respond to that. It's 383 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: about you know, so it's about sort of authenticity. I 384 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: think something people people respond to something that feels honest. 385 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: But you know, there's no way around it. It's it's 386 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: an industry that you have to do, develop a little 387 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: bit of a thick skin and sort of somebody once 388 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: told me, you walk walk into the room, no, you know, 389 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: believing that that job is yours, and walk out of 390 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: the room knowing that it's not. And then it will 391 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: always be this like incredible surprise if you do get 392 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: the job, but you won't ever be like gutted to 393 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: your core. But having said that, there are always those 394 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: few jobs that you've auditioned for which you're just like, 395 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: how did I not get that job? Is there a 396 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: movie that you wish you were in? And if so, 397 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: what character what do you have played? It could be 398 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: a classic, it could be a more recent one. Oh 399 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: my god, there are some, I mean, I'm sure there 400 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: are I'm sure there are so many. Um, I will 401 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 1: tell you the one that I will tell you the 402 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: one that stung for me many many, many years ago. 403 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: I did about ten auditions for a film called Across 404 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: the Universe, which was a Beatles movie, and Evan rachel 405 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 1: Wood started it with Jim Sturgis and Evan rachel Wood 406 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: then was in West World, and I remember telling her, 407 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: you know, many many years later, like I wanted I 408 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: wanted to be in that film with you so badly 409 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: because it was singing Beetles and the Beatles too. It 410 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: was singing Beatles songs in a movie. It was just unbelievable. 411 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: And when I've done sort of ten auditions for it, 412 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,719 Speaker 1: it was just crushing to not get that one. Um 413 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: but um, you know, so there are always going to 414 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: be a few which kind of which kind of sting. 415 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: But then you look at all the things you did 416 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: do and the collectively made you who you are. It's, 417 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: you know, do you think you're going to be prioritizing 418 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: music over acting going forward? Are you going to find 419 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: a balance between the two. So interesting you said prioritizing 420 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:12,959 Speaker 1: because that's actually one of the reasons I did it 421 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: was because it was pointed out to me that your 422 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: priorities are the things that you actually prioritize, not the 423 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 1: things that you tell people are your priorities, because those 424 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 1: are just like the ways you want to be seen, like, 425 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: you know, because I remember some I said, oh, my 426 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: priorities are you know, playing more music, My priorities are 427 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: you know, having a family doing this at the end, 428 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: and I think, and I think it might have been 429 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: my mom who said, um, well, no, your priorities are 430 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: your work and your friends and your family and those things, 431 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: because those are the things that you actually spend all 432 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: of your time on off and the other things are 433 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: just like ways that you want to see yourself and 434 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: the things that you aspire to spend more time on, 435 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: but they're not your priorities. And that was a real 436 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,479 Speaker 1: like spin around moment for me of I need to 437 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: start prioritizing the things that I think that I want 438 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: to make my priorities. Otherwise they won't I'll let they 439 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: you know, I'll look back and they won't have been 440 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: my priorities. So I think that's an important word. You know, 441 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: what you prioritize, But I think no, I mean I 442 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: prioritize my my acting and my job and the thing 443 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 1: that makes me feel like me. But but I love 444 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: music so much and I always have and it's always 445 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: been such a huge part of my life, just not 446 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: in a sort of more public sharing kind of way, 447 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: but I love that feeling of sharing it so far 448 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: at least, and so I definitely want to do more 449 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: of it and try and find a balance and try 450 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: and find a way to keep keep doing it like this, 451 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: because um, it feels, honestly, even just this, doing this 452 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: chat with you now, like it feels so much better 453 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: to be talking about the way I really see things, 454 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: rather than a script that I didn't write and just 455 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: promoting something because you have to, but something that you 456 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: actually created, and that's what's so beautiful about it. Made 457 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: yeah exactly. Okay, I have to ask, Yes, you're a 458 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: very private person, which I think is so important, especially 459 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: nowadays because everything is put out there sometimes too much, 460 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: you could argue, and in your music it's very honest 461 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: and heartfelt and authentic. What has that been like so far? 462 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: Just a response and sharing your life and your thoughts 463 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: and your feelings when you haven't had before. Well, I 464 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: think part of it is by virtue of you know, 465 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: when I was young, journalists would sort of say, if 466 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: you want to be an actor, you have to answer 467 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: these kind of questions about this that the other. And 468 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: I think that it's really important to draw that personal 469 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: line for yourself. And it's different for everyone, and that's 470 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: actually completely okay, but different for everyone what you want 471 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: to share about your life in the same way that 472 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: everyone is in control of their own Instagram. You can 473 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,959 Speaker 1: pretend your life is as as cool and sexy as 474 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: you like, but it might not make you very happy. 475 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: And I think that you know, my mom is a 476 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: is a you know, like a sex and relationship psychotherapist, 477 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: and she was always you know, teaching the importance of 478 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: having your kind of particularly romantic relationships, but even your 479 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: like friendship and stuff. They're they're yours and they are 480 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, they are your support system when the world feels, 481 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: you know, it should be you against the world, not 482 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: not kind of you. If you offer up everything that 483 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: you are publicly, then and then everything that you are 484 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: publicly is up for scrutiny and up for criticism, and 485 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: and then you've got nowhere to lean because they've all 486 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: been a part of it. And I think that so 487 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: that that became created to me quite early on. But actually, 488 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: as I get older, I realized that, you know, ship, 489 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: what you do with music is you share it. What 490 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: you do with stories is you tell them and you 491 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: share them. And I think that the things that have 492 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: made me feel void and and and comforted in times 493 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: when I've been low is realizing that everyone feels the 494 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: same things pretty much. Um, the lows feel the same 495 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 1: kind of low. You know, anger feels the same, guilt 496 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: feels the same, misery feels the same for everyone. So 497 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: so UM being able to understand that everyone feels those things, 498 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: and everyone is confused, and everyone is like trying to 499 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: see things from me, you know, other people's perspectives in 500 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: the same way that struggle is the same. And I 501 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: think that there's no I realized there is absolutely no 502 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: harm in sharing a little bit more of that about 503 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: myself and trying to be encouraging. And actually I'm a 504 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: very hopeful person. So all my songs are have an 505 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: element of hope in them, and so you know, to 506 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: bring a bit of that hopefulness and joyfulness and soulfulness 507 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: to my characters and also to the songs. If you 508 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 1: can get someone dancing in the kitchen then or if 509 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: you can get someone like crying to it with a 510 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: cocoa because of something that's happened in their life, that's 511 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: all good too. And I think that's one of the 512 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: things that is so important and something that I unintentionally 513 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: am trying to do with this podcast is that something 514 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: I realized just starting is how the media has taken 515 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: the human out of the person and how you read 516 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: a headline and they become a figure that is on pedestal, 517 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: but they're they don't cry, They're like, they're just not 518 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: a human being with a heart and that bleeds. And 519 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: I think that's what's so great about you sharing more 520 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: with your music is that you're letting people back in 521 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: on you that you are a human totally. And I 522 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: want people to understand that because my humanness is actually 523 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: probably I think the best thing about me, exactly like 524 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: your flaws and everything it makes you you. Um, So 525 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind people sharing, sharing that and knowing that. 526 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: But I can't begin to tell you how many people 527 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: that I know personally that I've met that are in 528 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: the public eye that are just so entirely misunderstood and 529 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: so entirely misjudged by virtue of how people are keen 530 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: to portray them because they feel a certain you know, 531 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: if it's a narrative that people want to portray a 532 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: narrative exactly. It's very rare that you come across someone 533 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: in real life when you get to know them a 534 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: little bit, whose humanity isn't front and center exactly. And 535 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: I feel like that's one of the things I'm trying 536 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: to do with this podcast. If one person listens to 537 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: this really like we're all human and like that's okay, 538 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: So it's you should embrace that. Well, you're already doing 539 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 1: it because me and you were talking about it right now, 540 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: and I love someone's listening. By the way, I saw 541 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: an interview did in September, or someone brought up you 542 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: about doing music, You're like, oh, I don't know, and 543 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: then someone said about doing it. By the time you 544 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 1: afford to, you're like, oh, then i'd have to get 545 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: on that. You went on it, and you did it. 546 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 1: I got on it, step on it. Yeah, I totally did. 547 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 1: I think I may also have already been like toying 548 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: with the idea when I said that, because that again, 549 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: old me would have been very careful about that. But 550 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: who's new Ben Barnes. Who's new Ben Barnes? The new Me? 551 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: The new Ben Barnes is the most is the most me? 552 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: Love that? Yeah? I think I just I feel I 553 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: feel more me being like I don't feel necessarily like 554 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: I have to be all things to all people, which 555 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: I think is the thing that I have been a 556 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: bit guilty of, like just just wanting to be exciting 557 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: enough and funny enough and or you know, tough enough 558 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: or whatever it is that I'm You know, when you 559 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: play all these different types of characters, you kind of 560 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: want to be those things for the people that saw 561 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: you that way. Um, there's the person that I am 562 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: on a Sunday underneath Hill, you know. Yeah, Okay, we 563 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: have to take one more quick break, but when we 564 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: come back, we'll dive into your new EP and much more. 565 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: We'll be right back and we're back. As you know, 566 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: I love your new EP. You know what my favorite 567 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: song is? I don't, but I have to say, like, 568 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: knowing what people's favorite one is and why it is 569 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: like the thing that I'm most excited to find out. 570 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: So hit me. Okay, So first song I listened to 571 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: it is eleven eleven, which I love because I feel 572 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: like it gets you and it puts you in a 573 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: good mood. I feel like you can listen to it 574 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: in different settings, whether you're in a car ride, whether 575 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,719 Speaker 1: you're just jamming out in your room. You can do 576 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: it all. But I will say one song that I 577 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: think I love, that I'm excited for people to hear, 578 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: is not the end. Oh yeah, I think the lyrics 579 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: and the melody are so beautiful. Oh good? What was 580 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: the process in writing that one? So it's a few things. 581 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: One my dad, when I was a kid, used to 582 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: say to me that John Lennon quote about if it's 583 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: not okay, sorry, everything will be okay in the end, 584 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: and if it's not okay, it's not the end, which 585 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: is like the typical John Lenning genius um. But at 586 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: the root of it is this very simple, beautiful thing, 587 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: which is basically like you know, taking someone's hand and saying, hey, 588 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: are you okay? No, okay, it will get better. That's 589 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: basically what you're saying, which is the best thing you 590 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: can ever say to anyone, because it will change. Things 591 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: will change inevitably. The only thing that we're sure of 592 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: is that things will change. And then I was thinking 593 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: through like all this like cliche life advice, and I 594 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: was actually watching like some like I've seen the commercials 595 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: that were like mocking people stitching those like live laugh 596 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: long uh signs, which like the old Ladies have no 597 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know about TikTok, but it was 598 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: on to Tell Vision. It was it was like a 599 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: show I think that was mocking it and then m 600 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: and I was like, do you know what though, when 601 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: people tell you that stuff, they're trying to do a 602 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: good thing. They're like trying to like be there for you. 603 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: And even if it sounds like a cliche, like all 604 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: of those phrases that we tell each other like you know, 605 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: got there for a reason. And so I was like 606 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: listening all of the cliches I could think of that 607 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: we're like about support. I was like what if I 608 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: what if I put these all in this song? Which 609 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: I did, and then what if I try and reclaim 610 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: this like live laugh love thing is like like I'm 611 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: not going to say that to you, but like what 612 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: if I put big like Gospelly backing vocals on it 613 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: a vibe like good live love love, And I'm like, 614 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: what if I make that sound like a bit vibe, 615 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: and I put some organ and make it sound like 616 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: a bit like Doobie Brothers. E What if I make 617 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: give it a bit of that like some soul. What 618 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: if it's one of those songs you can like put 619 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: on in the morning and just go yeah, I would 620 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:02,959 Speaker 1: like that. Do that again and I go yeah. Sometimes 621 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: I do that when I get I go wolf. It's 622 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: kind of similar when I'm shocked. When I'm shocked, I 623 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: go wolf. Yeah. I feel that I make a lot 624 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: of sound effects. I'm realizing when I sit down, I'm 625 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: like and I'm just realizing that comes out of my 626 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: mouth and I don't even realize it. Well, you're not forty. 627 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: When I sit down, I go. When I sit down, 628 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: I go, I do that, And it's kind of concerning 629 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: to me that I'm already doing them, like when I'm forty, 630 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: what noises? Am I going to be making? Good ones? 631 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: Good ones? Good ones? Is a correct answer? Thank you 632 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: ten points for me. I think you should do Broadway, 633 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: just thinking because it brings together acting, storytelling, music. Have 634 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: we thought about this, Yes, we thought about it. But 635 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: here's the next question, which maybe you can answer. What 636 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: show should I be in because I do love musical stuff, 637 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: like that's where I started off. Like with my teens, 638 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: I would do that stuff. And I've done a full 639 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: of professional ones when I was very early twenties, but 640 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: I haven't touched it in so long, and but I 641 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: would want it to be something really good. Okay, right 642 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: off the bat. Three off the top of my head. 643 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: One waitress. Okay, there's a great guy roll in it 644 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: with some great soulful music in it. That is true. 645 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: The doctor too. If you're into more of a storyline, 646 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: I say dear of Vanhansen because that hits different. But 647 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: am I going to play the dad? I mean, why not? 648 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: He have some good songs to break in a glove 649 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: if you know that, I do know that. But both 650 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: of these, both of these roles are on stage for 651 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: about twenty minutes. But here's the thing. I want to 652 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: be in it. I want to be involved. If I'm 653 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: doing something, I want to be involved. Would you ever 654 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: make a musical? Yeah, maybe we should just write one. 655 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: Maybe you should write one for me, Maybe you should 656 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: write one together. Honestly, I think that'd be fun, because 657 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: I think there's something about musicals that are so underrated 658 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: nowadays from New York City to give context, but they're 659 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: coming back. They're coming back with like like obviously like 660 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: the with the movie movies of like Hamilton, Different in 661 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: the Heights and you know, all of that stuff and 662 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: into the words even um into the Woods. I love 663 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 1: that musical. I would do that. I want to play 664 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,240 Speaker 1: the Prince and the Wolf both. Yeah. Both. It works 665 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: really well when you do both, you know what, I 666 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: something like eight shows a week. You're doing both characters 667 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: that would deserve award. That's that's that's that's the way 668 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: forward for sure. So what are you? What are you 669 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: working on now? Yeah? I just finished something like two 670 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:36,399 Speaker 1: days ago, which is a new Netflix anthology horror show 671 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 1: that Gmo del Toro has put together called The Cabinet 672 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: of Curiosities, And every episode has like a different story 673 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: in a different cast and they're all like horror stories. 674 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: And I did one with Crispin Glover that is very creepy. 675 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: And I always said I would never do horror because 676 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: I am too scared and don't like being creepy. I 677 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: don't like being creeped out. I don't mind like being shocked, 678 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: and I don't mind thrillers. But I don't like feeling 679 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: like creeped out. Yeah, but I was I couldn't say 680 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: no to like give a dotur and this and the 681 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: script was so cool, and I was like, and I 682 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: got to play this this character over like sort of 683 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: twenty five year period, so I was like, I have 684 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 1: to do this, so that will be coming soon. See. 685 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: Then now I'm torn because I hate horror, but now 686 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: I want to see it. But you love me friends, now, 687 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,240 Speaker 1: so now I'm torn. Well just watch my episode. Okay, 688 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: I will do that, and I will. It's very creepy 689 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: and it is really disturbing and the ending is terrifying, 690 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: so feel free to like, like, feel free to like, 691 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: um message me sobbing at the end, going why do 692 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: you maybe watch this? Okay? When is it? When is 693 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 1: this coming out? Or is there I don't know. I 694 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: don't know, but I'm sure next year a sure, But 695 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: you know, I need to mentally prepare for it now 696 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,280 Speaker 1: that I know there's a thriller at the end, I'm okay, okay, fine, 697 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? I was not fine 698 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 1: shooting it. I was not fine. I knew what you 699 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: scared shooting it. I was, honestly so I tried to 700 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: trick myself by like I tried to trick myself. I 701 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: would get the director lot to like play me creepy music, 702 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: or like make banging sounds during takes, or like, and 703 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: sometimes I wouldn't look at something. I would do the 704 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: rehearsal with my eyes closed so that when they did 705 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: the first take, I could look at something for the 706 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: first time. And I try not to give it away. 707 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: But in the end I did the rehearsal my eyes 708 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,240 Speaker 1: closed so that I could not look at something, and 709 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 1: then when I saw it, I was genuinely, very very upset. See, 710 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: I've I've heard horror more movies, like people on set 711 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: being like, no, it wasn't scary, but you're telling me 712 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: you were actually scared. Well, I am a sensitive soul. 713 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, that's it doesn't surprise me. But you've 714 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,280 Speaker 1: played a lot. You have. You've had some gruesome deaths 715 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 1: in your career. I have. I have heard some I 716 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 1: do die a lot. You do. Now, why do we 717 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 1: think that people want to kill me? Why do people 718 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: want to kill me so much? I don't know. I 719 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 1: think we need to explore that in one of your songs, 720 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 1: My new my new album Why Did People Want to 721 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 1: Kill Me So Much? It's a different genre. It's like 722 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: a grunge metal, like some grunge metal add in with 723 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: some nice orchestra. Yeah, but it's also a musical. I 724 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 1: will say, I am so happy. Are Do you have 725 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 1: any plans for when this EP comes out? Are you 726 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: doing any celebration? Are you just going to be by 727 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 1: your piano? But I haven't really thought about it, um, 728 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,800 Speaker 1: but I should definitely do something. I was away shooting 729 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: when the when the first song came out, so I 730 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 1: was celebrating on I was just celebrating on like Instagram, 731 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: like watching all these other people celebrating me, which was 732 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: so lovely because I owed so much of Why did 733 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 1: it too? You know. I started putting covers and things 734 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: on Instagram a few years ago, and people, you know, 735 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,879 Speaker 1: started off by saying like oh this you sound great, 736 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: or like I really love this, please do more. And 737 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: then in the end it was on Twitter. It was like, 738 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: you know, where's the damn album you're sending me that? 739 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,959 Speaker 1: That was a great imitation of Twitter, thank you, and 740 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 1: so that is that is my limitation of Twitter. Yeah, 741 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 1: and then so then I was like, yeah, where is 742 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: the damn album. I'm gonna make it. I got to 743 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: do it, so I owe them a lot. I'll celebrate there. 744 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: But yeah, hopefully I should do something in the actual 745 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 1: real world. Are I are I r L see I 746 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:19,320 Speaker 1: know things I r L I know Internet things. No, no, no, 747 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: just for future reference. If you know it, don't say 748 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: you know it. And also, don't get it wrong till 749 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: I saw a podcast before you, then get it right. 750 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: If you ever need help with some like slang, just 751 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: let me know and I will tell you what it means. 752 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,320 Speaker 1: I do that for a lot of people. Actually, right, great, 753 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 1: I need I need that person in my life so badly. Well, then, 754 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on my podcast. You're 755 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: so welcome. Hopefully we can meet in person one day 756 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 1: and not that would be brilliant. That would be ideal. 757 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: Next time we do this, we'll do it in the studio. 758 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,880 Speaker 1: Let's do it. Oh my goodness. Yeah, it was so 759 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: great to talk to you. Nobody still to thank you. 760 00:38:54,840 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: You're so good at this. Thank you, Ben, Thank you 761 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,880 Speaker 1: so much for coming on my podcast. Again. I loved 762 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: this conversation and I'm excited to meet you in person 763 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: one day. Um, if you haven't. Please listen to and 764 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,800 Speaker 1: download songs for you. The CP is truly incredible. Anyways, 765 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: don't forget to have follow Ben on social media. It's 766 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 1: Ben Barnes. And follow me on Instagram and it's Sammy J. 767 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: That's I T S S A M M, Y J 768 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: A y E. And please subscribe to the podcast and 769 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: leave a comment in a review because I always like 770 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 1: to read. I read all of them, and I always 771 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,800 Speaker 1: like to see what people say, and I want your feedback. 772 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoyed this week's episode and I 773 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: will see you next week. By