1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Happy holidays everybody on Dan Horde and this is the 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: Bengals Booth podcast. This is it. Make no mistake where 3 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: you are. This is it You'll go in no further addition, 4 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: as we look ahead the Sunday season finale at Paul 5 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: Brown Stadium between the one and fourteen Bengals and the 6 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: six and nine Cleveland Browns. Coming up, we'll hear from 7 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: Andy Dalton on what could be his final game in 8 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: a Bengals uniform. Dave Lapham and I will weigh in 9 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: on that. Plus, now that the Bengals have clinched the 10 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: number one pick in the draft, we'll share some thoughts 11 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: on the quarterback that many people expect Cincinnati to select 12 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy winner Joe Burrow from LSU. And in this 13 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: week's Know the Faux segment, we'll discuss the Browns and 14 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: the future of first year head coach Freddie Kitchens with 15 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: Zack Jackson, who covers the team for the Athletic All 16 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: of that is straight ahead, but first, here's a quick 17 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: reminder that you can add the latest edition of this 18 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: podcast delivered rite to your phone, tablet, or computer by 19 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: subscribing on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, Spotify, or pod Bean. 20 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: It's the greatest thing since board games. In this high 21 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: tech you can do anything on your phone world, sometimes 22 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: it's nice to play a traditional board game. This Christmas, 23 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: my son received a game called Ticket to Ride as 24 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: a gift. There's a board with a big map of 25 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: the US, some plastic train cars and cards. That's it. 26 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: No joystick, no WiFi required. It's an old school board 27 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: game and it's awesome. And I don't just say that 28 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: because I dominated our family's first attempt to play. So 29 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: here's to Monopoly, Scrabble, Munchkin, and all of the great 30 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: board games out there that are awesome for the first 31 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: few days after Christmas until they wind up in a 32 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: closet until next Christmas. Now, let's get to Sunday's football 33 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: game at Paul Brown Stadium. There's a real possibility that 34 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: Andy Dalton will play in his one hundred and thirty 35 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: seventh and final game in a Bengals uniform on Sunday. 36 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: It's not definite. He's under contract for one more season 37 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 1: at seventeen point five million dollars. And here are the possibilities. A. 38 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: If the Bengals draft Joe Burrow or another quarterback Number 39 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: one overall, they could keep Andy as a veteran mentor 40 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: to help the rookies adjustment to the NFL B the 41 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: Bengals select a QB number one overall and trade Dalton 42 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: for a draft pick, which seems like the most likely 43 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: outcome if they can get a good enough deal or 44 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: see the Bengals could look at, say Chase Young is 45 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: the only sure thing in the draft, and keep Dalton 46 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: for at least one more season as the starting quarterback. 47 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: If Sunday's game is and he's last in Orange and black, 48 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: he'll leave quite a legacy. He's completed more passes and 49 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: thrown more tds than any other quarterback in franchise history, 50 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: and if he leads the Bengals to a win on Sunday, 51 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: he'll have the highest winning percentage of any Bengals quarterback 52 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: to start at least twenty five games. If the team 53 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: loses on Sunday, Andy will fall to number two behind 54 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: Ken Anderson. Andy and his wife jj have also been 55 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: incredibly giving of their time and resources to needy families 56 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: in the Cincinnati area through their foundation. Here's Andy on 57 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: the potential of this being his final game as a 58 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengal. I understand the possibility of it. So I mean, 59 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: I'll have to wait and see once the season's over 60 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: and see see what happens. But it's obviously not my 61 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: focus right now. Like I said, I understand the situation 62 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: that that I'm in, and so I'm trying to go 63 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: out and play a game I could play. Like I said, 64 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: I want to finish this thing all the right way. 65 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: I want to finish this thing off of a win 66 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: for this team, and um, so doing everything I can 67 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: to make sure we play well on Sunday. Yes, it's 68 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: not the end of my career. Obviously, there's been a 69 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: lot of Uh, a lot of our life has been 70 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: here in Cincinnati. And again, we don't know what's going 71 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: to happen. I don't know what's going to happen, and um, 72 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: I have to wait and see after the season for 73 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: all that to get handled. But um, you know, a 74 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: big part of our life has been here, and um 75 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: you know we've made Cincinnati our home and uh, you know, 76 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: we've grown up. My family's grown up together, JJ and 77 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: I have. You know, it's been our whole merry life 78 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: here like three kids. Like you said, so it's been 79 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: the city has been a big part of our life. 80 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: There's a lot of good people here in Cincinnati, and 81 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that are willing to, you know, 82 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: to help others. And I think, uh, you know, kind 83 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: of once we started our foundation and kind of started 84 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: some of the things that that we've been doing, there's 85 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people that hopped on board just because 86 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: they're they're willing to serve and willing to um, you know, 87 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: give to those in need. And so I think there's 88 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: an instant connection there. And then we're just trying to 89 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: be as involved as we can and try to help 90 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: out in so many different ways. And so, um, I think, 91 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: I just you can't do it by yourself. You have 92 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: to have support from a lot of people. And we've 93 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: had a lot of support from the city. That was 94 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: the one thing that that we wanted to do when 95 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: we first got here, is we want to make sure 96 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: that we were all in, and we were. We've been 97 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: all in too since the day since we got here, 98 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: and hopefully people see that, you know, I've I've received 99 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: a lot of support throughout throughout my years here, and 100 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: um again, we'll have to wait and see how this 101 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: whole thing ends up. Badly enough, before Andy takes the 102 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: field on Sunday, we could all be watching his successor 103 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: on Saturday when LSU faces Oklahoma in the Peach Bowl, 104 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: as Joe Burrow looks to lead the Tigers to the 105 00:05:54,839 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: National Championship game against Ohio State or Clemson. This conversation 106 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 1: with Dave Lapham, we start with the current favorite to 107 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: be the number one pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft. 108 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: I am now thinking that I'm on the Joe Burrow train. 109 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: The Heisman Trophy winning quarterback out of LSU. He completed 110 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: seventy eight percent of his passes this year through for 111 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: nearly five thousand yards, forty eight touchdown passes, six interceptions. 112 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: He's a leader. The intangibles are off the charts. The 113 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 1: one negative when you talk to football people that have 114 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: seen him is that they say he has what they 115 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: describe as an average plus arm. That's what's said about 116 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: Joe Montana coming out. And note to Dame when he 117 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: was drafting the third round, it was the arm strength 118 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: was the question, not the football IQ, not the decision making. 119 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: You know nothing from an intangible standpoint, but they were 120 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: worried about his arm. And you know, when you talk 121 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: to a lot of quarterbacks, quarterback coaches, people familiar with 122 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: the position. The biggest thing is throwing with the anticipation 123 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: and accuracy. You have to be a straight a player 124 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: and his accuracy, my gosh, in the SEC to be 125 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: completing almost eighty percent of year passes man to shives 126 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: and uh so he has to be throwing with some 127 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: anticipation to have those kind of completion numbers. So I 128 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: think he might be one of those straight a Guys's 129 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: got to do a little bit more. Look, you know, 130 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: research into you know, how he plays. But the thing 131 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: that every team that's having success now, not just the 132 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: Jacksons of the world where there's you know, just one 133 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: of those kind of guys, but quarterbacks that can extend 134 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: and create plays and make it impossible for guys in 135 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: the back end to cover long enough. The mahomes Is 136 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: of the world, Aaron Rodgers, you know at his he's 137 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: still doing it. Those guys that can do that get 138 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: out of pocket and buy time, they're valuable in borrows athletic. 139 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: He can do it. I mean, he's he's shown that 140 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: in the SEC's spun away from people. He's not afraid to, uh, 141 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,559 Speaker 1: you know, step up in the pocket, climbed the pocket, 142 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: hit a rush lane that's vacated, get yards he's got. Probably. 143 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: I bet people are going to be surprised to see 144 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: his times at the combine, how fast he is, and 145 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: what his shuttle is and all those kind of things, 146 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: because this guy's an All state basketball player. I mean, 147 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: you do basketball. You know the athletes that are on 148 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: basketball court. In my opinion, NBA players are the best 149 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: athletes in the world and these guys are ridiculous, and 150 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: you know, he's athletic, So I'm pretty much sold. I'm 151 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: going to be very interested to see him Saturday night 152 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: against Ohio State because all the people here in Ohio 153 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: are going to be, you know, highly interested and keenly 154 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: interested in that football game because they think sunrises and 155 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: sets on Buckeyes offense, defense or whatever, see if the 156 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 1: defense can do anything with Joe Burrow. We don't know 157 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: for sure how things are going to play out next year, 158 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: but it certainly feels like there's a strong possibility that 159 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: this is going to be Andy Dalton's last game at 160 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: the Bengals uniform. Yeah, it does. And you know, I 161 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 1: think he's handled everything with class. No surprise there when 162 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: he was raised right, He's a man of faith and 163 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: his faith is the strongest thing in his life, obviously, 164 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: and he does things the right way. And honestly, he's 165 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: had a great career. I mean when you look at 166 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: him leading the Bengal statistically in a lot of passing 167 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: areas considering the quarterbacks that have been here, and I 168 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: know it's different eras and throw the ball a heck 169 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: of a lot more and all those things. But he's 170 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: done a good job for this franchise on and off 171 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: the football field. His foundation has had a huge impact 172 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: here in the state of Ohio and in the state 173 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: of Texas as well. So he's done He's done a 174 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: lot of really unbelievable things, and you know, it's it's 175 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: it's a I'm sure it'll be bittersweet for him. And 176 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: if they particularly if they go and beat the Cleveland 177 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: Browns and he has a big game, and that that's 178 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: what you hope for. You hope that goes out on 179 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: the highest note possible. And you know, like about a 180 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: three touchdown, three hundred yard performance, no interception is Baker 181 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: Mayfield has some turnovers, he doesn't, they win the football 182 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: and potentially rides off into the sunset, you know, in 183 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: a very very positive way. I hope that works out 184 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: for him, and that would be the Hollywood script as such, 185 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: and I think he deserves that. So I'm hopeful that 186 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: that it does turn out that way for him because 187 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 1: he's given everything he's got, you know, to the organization. 188 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: And I think he's as stunned as anybody that in 189 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: training camp. Watching him operate in training camp when he 190 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: had most of his bodies available to him, and even 191 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: before that, no ta's and mini camps, I was like, man, 192 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: this is gonna this offense fits and he Dalton skill set. 193 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: AJ Green's gonna have a big year. I mean, all 194 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: these guys are gonna have play well. Man just unfolded. 195 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: The football gods couldn't have been more cruel this year, 196 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: for sure. It's funny how things have gone with him 197 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: during his first five years, when they went to the 198 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: playoffs every season. In that in that fifth year where 199 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 1: he was a legitimate MVP candidate, it seemed like people 200 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: were like, he's good, He's not good enough. And now 201 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: that it appears that it might be winding down, there's 202 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: a different feeling among Bengals fans. Well, we had it 203 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, it's careful what you wish for. You know, 204 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: you don't really miss it until you really do miss it. 205 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: You know, you don't really know what you have until 206 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: you don't. All those things. Uh. Andy Dalton was amazing 207 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: to me that when he first said when he lost 208 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: his third game in a row one season as Bengal, 209 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: it's like this new experience. But I've never lost there 210 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: in a row at any level you sports, high school, college, 211 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: in the NFL. I'm like, wow, when you think about that, 212 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: and any in all sports that you're participated in, Devon 213 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: never lost three games in a row. That tells you 214 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: that you know, it's not every single time. It can't 215 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: be the team. You must be a factor in the 216 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: in the formula that all those teams were winners. And 217 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: Andy Dalton is a is a winner. I mean his makeup, 218 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: his personality, the way he lives his life. He lives 219 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: his life as a winner, not a loser. Speaking of winning, 220 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: what a win at the end of a what so 221 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: far as a one and fourteen season really make much 222 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: of a difference. It would in my mind, as you know, 223 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: as a former player, particularly after a last week's game, 224 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: to make the comeback they made and not to finish it. 225 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: You'll never hear about it anymore. It doesn't go in 226 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: the record book as biggest come from behind to tie 227 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: and losing overtime. It's the biggest come from behind victory 228 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: and franchise history, it's not the biggest come from behind 229 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: to almost win. It just it'll disappear except for the 230 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 1: guys that played in it, and you know, people that 231 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: were around to watch it and listen to it and 232 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 1: hear about it and everything else. It's it's gonna historically, 233 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: it won't have a legacy like it would in a 234 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: record book. So not going to make a record book. 235 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: So you're you're kind of like you have a you know, 236 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: a weird taste in your mouth that you did a 237 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: lot of things well to turn a game that was 238 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: lopsided into a game, but you didn't win that game. 239 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: So I think if you can win a division game 240 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: and snap to add ten game division losing streak franchise 241 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 1: records twelve in a row, you're at ten. If you 242 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: lose this one, you're in danger of tying the record 243 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 1: in your first division contest next year. You would want 244 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,719 Speaker 1: to eliminate that. You'd want to get a division win 245 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: at home, you know, and in the season on a 246 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: high note. And it is true the one thing you 247 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: do remember in the offseason, you remember your last game 248 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: first before anything else, and then you'll start remembering other games, 249 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 1: but the last game is your most recent memory. So 250 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: if you can go out with a win, you know, 251 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: against a team that was on the cover of sports 252 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: illustration is supposed to be all this and that. And 253 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: you don't want to be swept two years in a 254 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: row by the Cleveland Browns. That hasn't happened for a while. 255 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of reasons you want to win 256 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: this football game, and not to mention the most important 257 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: building momentum for next year. You asked Jack Taylor question 258 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: the other day about his biggest lessons in his first 259 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: year is the Bengals head coach, and he talked about, 260 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: we've hired good people, now I have to empower them. 261 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: Do you think that that's a really significant thing for 262 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 1: him to have learned? I do you know, I think 263 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: as a CEO's that's probably I think that was the 264 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: best trait that Paul Brown had. In my mind, Paul 265 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: Brown could have been president of the United States, could 266 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: have been CEO of p and because he surrounded himself 267 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: with good people that he felt could do their job, 268 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: and then he let them do their job. So and 269 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: then if you didn't do the job, he would not 270 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: hesitate to make a move and replace you. But he 271 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: hired you with the intent of I believe in you, 272 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: you believe in me, I'm going to let you do 273 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: your job. So I do think that that's a big, 274 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: big thing for Zach, you know, to think about and 275 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: improve upon and all those sort of things, and for 276 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: him to mention that as a lesson, I think it's 277 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: a very positive thing. Zach and this staff will get 278 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: to coach the Senior Bowl in a few weeks. How 279 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: helpful can that be? I think very you know, I mean, 280 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: you can you can watch tape on on guys and 281 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: you can, um you know, see the athletic abilities and everything, 282 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: but you can't see the intangibles. You know, and you 283 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: can hear about them. But sometimes they can be jaundice 284 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: one way or the other, depending on you know, a 285 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: guy may have rubbed somebody the wrong way at a 286 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: very high level and that now all of a sudden 287 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: unfairly so, and so his label does whatever now if 288 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: it's a consensus opinion, you know that's the way it is. 289 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: But um, there's nothing like getting firsthand evaluation that stuff 290 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: and finding out what makes a guy tick and uh, 291 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: you know, putting him in situations where you want to 292 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: see how he's going to respond on the football field, 293 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: off the football field, whatever those things may be. And um, 294 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: you know you can you can learn a lot. You 295 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: can learn a lot about not only the player, but 296 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: the person. And I think that's the big key is, Um, 297 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: the player shows up on tape, the person doesn't. So 298 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: I think I think getting that that hands on, um, 299 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: you know, introduction and evaluation of people is huge. The 300 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: Bengals placed AJ Green on injured reserve finally, so he's 301 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: not on the roster for the final game of the season. What, 302 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: in your mind is the best case scenario where his 303 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: future is concerned. Well, that's a good question, Dan, I 304 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: mean it's I guess. I guess that. I think his 305 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: biggest deal right now is adjusting to that hundred percent. 306 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: That's a different hundred percent. So you know, from from 307 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: the team's standpoint, you can understand, Well, if that's what 308 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: you're struggling with. Mentally, we're going to have to see 309 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: how you do adjust to that we're going to tag you. 310 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: And AJ is not gonna like to be tagged, but 311 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: I think you don't. He won't even have to dig 312 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: deep down. I think he's going to understand. He won't 313 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: like it, but I think he's going to have an 314 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: understanding of why they're they're, you know, going to be 315 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: feeling that that's the way they have to approach it 316 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: um And you know, I just hope, I just hope 317 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: that at some point in time makes his own decisions. 318 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: You hire agents, they work for you. You You don't work 319 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 1: for them, so and you hire them to do their job, 320 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: but you still hire them. So ultimately they're they're advisors 321 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: to you, they're they're consultants to you. There are all 322 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: those kinds of things. But you make the decisions. So 323 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: I wonder how as it all unfolds, the Aj Green 324 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: that we all know and love. I wonder how how 325 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: this is going to impact him, and there's decisions that 326 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: he makes down the road. If in fact, he does 327 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: get tagged, which I think is probably going to happen 328 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: to me, it seems like tagging him and trading him 329 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: might be more realistic than tagging him and holding on 330 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: to him for one more year and hoping that he 331 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: plays well, and then resigning him. I don't know. I mean, 332 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: the Bengals haven't shared their thoughts on that with any 333 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: of us, but you could see a scenario where he's 334 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: tagged and plays for another year and hopefully that sends 335 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: everything back in the right direction. Yeah, I mean, I 336 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: just keep going back to the thing that the wise 337 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: old Paul Brown said, you don't trade a guy until 338 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: you have a guy you know they can do it 339 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: at least as well or better. They don't. They don't, 340 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: So in my mind, I tag him to see if 341 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: you know things can be worked out. You know who 342 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: knows that. I guess you're hoping against hope a little bit. 343 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: But to trade him when you have nobody on your 344 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 1: roster that is close to what he gave you when 345 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: he was AJ Green. That's the big thing. Nobody knows, 346 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: you know, what is what's the new AJ Green? He 347 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 1: doesn't know. He doesn't know what his new hundred percent is. 348 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: So if he doesn't know, nobody else knows, that's for sure. 349 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: So it is. It's a but even a even an 350 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: eighty five percent AJ Green pretty damn special, because that 351 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: guy is elite. I mean he he's is smooth and 352 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: gifted and fluid an athlete has I've ever seen on 353 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: any sport. Really, he does his job as effortlessly and easily. 354 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: He's one of those guys where, oh man, he looks 355 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: makes it look so easy and you know it's not. 356 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: But he is so gifted. He makes it look like 357 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: rolling out of bed, and it's far from that. It's 358 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: just the opposite of that. So I don't I don't 359 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: necessarily move him unless I have to, because I don't 360 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: have anybody that can give me what he can give me. 361 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: When it's aj Green Underrated Story of the Year, it's 362 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: Week seventeen, it's Game sixteen, Tyler Eiford, We're playing every 363 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: game this year. It is big, and I think, and 364 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: this is something that AJ Green I think has to 365 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: think about too, because the Bengals have Nick Cosgray is good. 366 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: He knows what he's doing. And Nick Cosgray knows AJ 367 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: Green's history, he knows his body. Look what he did 368 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: for Tyler Eifford, many many rehabs. I mean, Tyler Eifford 369 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: has spent more time with Dick Cosgary than any family 370 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: member friend or anything. So to me, I honestly believe 371 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: that part of your process when you're deciding, like Andrew, 372 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: we're worth in the Rams full court press on Tyler Eiffort. Well, 373 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: the Rams don't know Tyler Eiffort's medical history. The Bengals 374 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: and Nick Cosgray do. Aj To me, that would be 375 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: a factor. They they these guys here in Cincinnati know 376 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: everything that I've gone through and reasons that that has 377 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: happened this way, and to turn you back on all 378 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: of that, I think is a little bit of a 379 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: tough thing to do. So to me, that's that's the 380 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: edge the Bengals do get and and the tipebreak they 381 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: do get. Is that the history between the athlete and 382 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,959 Speaker 1: the and the rehab people, the training, all the you know, 383 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: strength and conditions, everything that they were part of, I 384 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,239 Speaker 1: think is a factor. It would be for me, you know, 385 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: and go somewhere and hey, how you doing so? And 386 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: so you know, here's all my medical history. You know, 387 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: all that is his pictures and all that. It's like 388 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. The pictures tell you one thing, but 389 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: you don't know. You haven't deal with the people like 390 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: these guys have for years now for Tyler Eiffort and 391 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: unfortunately years now, for not as many years, but years 392 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: now for Aj Green. To me, there's something to that. 393 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 1: And I don't know how big a factor it would 394 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: be in AJ's decision making process, but I know it 395 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: was a factor in Tyler's decision making process. You know. 396 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: He's phrased it as the Bengal stood by me in 397 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: the tough times and they let me do the rehab 398 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: and all that, and they paid me the whole time. 399 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: Same thing with Aj Green and Tyler Eiffort decided to stay. 400 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: Maybe Aj Green will look at it similarly to the 401 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: way Tyler Eiffort looked at it. Sometimes for a guy, 402 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: all it takes is an opportunity. Last week, Darius Phillips 403 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: wound up getting a lot of snaps because Will Jackson 404 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: hurt his shoulder. He had an interception and three pass 405 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: deflections after taking over at cornerback. They liked him, you know, 406 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: as a cornerback, and they also liked his return skills 407 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: and he's shown that right away. Darren Simmons really feels 408 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: good about him back there returning kicks. At first, he 409 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 1: was a little bit unsure about his hands, you know, 410 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: securing the football the number one requirement. But man, he 411 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: makes plays. The guy has got a nose for the football. 412 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: He reads routes well, he gets his head turned to 413 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: find the football. He seems to not have issues in 414 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: that regard. Two interceptions in an abbreviated season. I mean 415 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: he hasn't played that many football games, a little bit 416 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: more than half the season, if I'm not mistaken, And 417 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: he's got more interceptions than any cornerback has on the team. 418 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: He's got the two interceptions and Jesse Bates has three. 419 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 1: So Darius Phillips, when opportunity knocked, he has taken advantage 420 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: of his snaps. And one of his you know, interceptions, 421 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: was a huge play. I mean he took that sucker 422 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: back twenty seven yards good field positions. So again, when 423 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: he gets his hands on the ball, those return skills. 424 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: You know, in my mind, at some point in time, 425 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: he was probably pretty good running back at some level 426 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: of football because he has great instincts in space. Two 427 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: teams that have had very disappointing seasons will end the 428 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: season on Sunday at Paul Brown Stadium. We know about 429 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: the Bengals one and fourteen. The Brown's a disappointment largely 430 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: because of the expectations going into this season. They were 431 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: on the cover of Sports Illustrated. They were everybody's eight team. 432 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: It seemed, well, they're gonna finish with a worse record 433 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: this year than they did last year. They were seven 434 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: eight and one last year. They're six and nine this 435 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: year with one game to go, surprising a lot of people. 436 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: But it just goes to show you the chemistry counts. 437 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. By all accounts, Nick Chubb 438 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: is quiet, professional, team oriented, So I think that it's 439 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: not an accident that he's got fourteen hundred and fifty 440 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: three rushing yards. He just shuts up and does his 441 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: job over five yards to carry eight touchdowns. I bet 442 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: with Baker Mayfield everybody else not Huddles Charpen. Come on, Baker, 443 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: I want the ball. I want the ball. What's going on? 444 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: You know? Landry pro bowler eightyone catches over thousand yards 445 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: five touchdowns. Odell Beckham Junior has been the center of 446 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: many controversies. You know, Baker Mayfield calling throwing the training 447 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: staff under the bus with respect to Baker, with respect 448 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: to Odell Beckham Junior, an injury that was misdiagnosed and 449 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: mistreated or whatever. I just think that too many big egos, 450 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: you know, in that huddle. I think there's a tug 451 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: of war for the football and Baker Mayfield. I think 452 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 1: therefore fields pressure to distribute to football equally amongst all 453 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: parties instead of just reading things out and playing football. 454 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: Bottom line is it's it's not working. You know. I 455 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: remember in the best team I ever played on, in 456 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: the huddle, we had great players. You know, you look 457 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: as Isaac Curtis, as Kenny Anderson's Danny Ross. I mean, 458 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: it's Chris Collinsworth. When it was third and eight, it 459 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,719 Speaker 1: wasn't like Kenny, I need the ball. It was like 460 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: what play we're gonna call? How are we going to 461 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: get this first down? It wasn't about imy, It was 462 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: about we us. And that's the way it's always going 463 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: to be. With the teams that have great success, teams 464 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: that struggle, it's im stuff. Last thing, how is Christmas 465 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: with the grandkids? Phenomenal? Yeah? That was great. You know 466 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: they're uh they're they're at the perfect age, the perfect 467 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: age and uh yeah, so they met they talked with 468 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: Santa and uh my granddaughter, you know, said, um, hell, 469 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 1: your your reindeer really don't like cookies, do they? Santa 470 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: Claus was no, but I like cookies a lot, so 471 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: had to be cookies. And then she said, well what 472 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: about carrots for the reindeer? And he said that would 473 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: be perfect. So c squared cookies and carrots and Grandpa 474 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: take a bite out of one of those carrots to 475 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: make it look realistic. Oh yeah, there were, there were, 476 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: There were signs made. Gabby, thanks very much for you know, 477 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: the cookies and cart you know, Santa Santa wrote, wrote 478 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: a nice little message, nice little sign left on the 479 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: on the fireplace. Yeah, it was all good stuff. Down 480 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 1: time for this week's No the Faux segment, as we 481 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: take a closer look at the Cleveland brown It's a 482 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: team that beat the Bengals twenty seven to nineteen just 483 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: three games ago. We're joined by Zach Jackson, who covers 484 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: the Browns for The Athletic and expect Sunday's game at 485 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: Paul Brown Stadium to be Freddie Kitchen's final game as 486 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,479 Speaker 1: Cleveland's head coach. Well, I know what it looks like, 487 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: I know what it feels like. We do this every 488 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: other year, and you know if we'd have had this 489 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: conversation even at Thanksgiving, which isn't that long ago, right, 490 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: it's Christmas. I just said no, like this is just 491 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: too much, too soon for a lot of people. A 492 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: lot of little things went wrong, Like they're not going 493 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: to do this again. Chasms have only owned the team 494 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: for seven years and two months, right, but they're gonna 495 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: do it. Freddie has not helped themselves at all. The 496 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: game mismanagement, the overall presentation is awful, and it's just 497 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 1: one thing after another. He lost five games by double 498 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: digit points, you know, absolutely blown out three times, and 499 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: then just going back to less Sunday, the sequence where 500 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: you just don't have any feel for the situation and 501 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: you let the Ravens, the hottest team in the league, 502 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 1: go from having a miserable half where you flowed them 503 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: down and made them struggle like few teams have, taking 504 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: control of the game and winning it. And that's just 505 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: the kind of management that gets you beat and if not, 506 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,959 Speaker 1: something that's going to be fixed. So yeah, I'll be 507 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: shocked if Freddie's still the coach next Monday. Okay, as 508 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: a follow up to that, there's rumor out there about 509 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: Urban Meyer. You know, I don't know if urban Meyer's 510 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: family would allow him to get back into coaching with 511 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: his health the way it is and all the issues 512 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: to go along with that. How about this off the waller, 513 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis completes his AFC North in Cleveland. He's coached 514 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: everywhere else but Cleveland, and when you think about it, 515 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: part of a successful run in Pittsburgh, won a Super 516 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: Bowl in Baltimore as defense according to the best defense ever, 517 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: fewest points allowed in the sixteen game, stretching with Cincinnati, 518 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: five straight Division A, five straight playoff appearances, a team 519 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 1: record seven playoffs in sixteen years. Would Mark and Lewis 520 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: be a potential candidate in Cleveland? Well, I think someone 521 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 1: like Marvin would make sense. If Marvin's going to guys 522 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: to be adults, right, you need somebody who's done it before. 523 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a pretty appealing job now with 524 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: the way the quarterback has struggled, and you know, just 525 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: some of the overall immaturity issues, some of the things 526 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: you're going to have to tackle here. You know, it's 527 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: it's not a wonderful job. There are huge questions, and 528 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: especially if you know they're firing guys in one year again. 529 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, the Browns has just they have 530 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: just not been adults, from head coach to player all 531 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: year long. It's just been one side show, one distraction, 532 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: one immature, slash, embarrassing or all the above thing after 533 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: the other lap. And it goes back to last year 534 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: when they finally won the games, but they acted like 535 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: they'd won fifteen of them, you know, and it just 536 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: it kind of took off on that train. So you know, 537 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: I won't be surprised if Marvin Get's interviews, I don't know, 538 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: you know, where he is, what he's thinking, or or 539 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: you know who all is going to be in the pool. 540 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: As for urban Meyer, you know, urban Meyer's a football 541 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: coach in a darn good one. Would he fit in 542 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: the NFL um with, you know, because some of the 543 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: things that he was best at an exceptional at in 544 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: college are just not an NFL thing. And specifically here 545 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: in Cleveland, I'm not sure urban Meyer and Got Dorsey 546 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: co exists, you know, just like I'm not sure Josh 547 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: McDaniels and John Dorsey co exists. So you know, I 548 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: think that kind of limits the pool, assuming there's an 549 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: opening starting next week. So in your mind Baker and 550 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: Mayfield's sophomore slump. To put it kindly, is it because 551 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: of Baker Mayfield? Because of too many egos for him 552 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: to appease in terms of wanting the football? There's only 553 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: one football, is it? Freddie Kitchens? Is it a combination 554 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: of everything? Why is Baker Mayfield having the sophomore season 555 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: he's having. Yeah, combination is the answer. He certainly takes 556 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: to nurse some of the blands. There's just been no 557 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: flow to the offense. You know, um route to get 558 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: to get Baker going. Um. You know, Nick Chubb's gonna 559 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: win the rushing title and might lead in attempts, but 560 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: it still feels like they never really stuck to that. 561 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: And Bakers are really good and they play action in 562 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: rpo quarterback, but they're just a whole year long, every drive, 563 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: every quarter kind of felt this jointed. It never felt 564 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: like the Brown said, Okay, this is what we're gonna 565 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: do and this is what we're good at, and if 566 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: and when teams stop it or just do it, then 567 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: then we strike at him. But going back to training camp, 568 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, guys, Bakers through some of the most 569 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: beautiful deep passes that I had seen and I just thought, 570 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: you know, once this offense does figure out if tiece things, 571 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: they're gonna tack, But there has been no vertical tasking game. 572 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: I mean, he's sitting at six yards per tempt underneath it, 573 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: I believe, and that just doesn't get it done. So 574 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: I'm not totally writing him off because even in a 575 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: small sample size that we have seen it, and we 576 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: know that the reason the Browns picked him and believed 577 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: in him is because of his accuracy and accuracy to 578 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: me is king you know in today's NFL. But he 579 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: has not been accurate, He has not played with his 580 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: normal level of confidence, and as much as anything else, 581 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: just then this goes to the accuracy, you know, just 582 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: the six and eight yard passes that are in the 583 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: right place that gives the guy a chance to get 584 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: more yardage, let alone a lot more yardage. Right, we 585 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: know jameson O'Dell are the kind of guys they can 586 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: take that ten yard pass and turn it into thirty 587 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: or ninety or we've seen the number of times we've 588 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: seen it all year long. You can really count on 589 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: one hand. We are visiting with Zack Jackson, he covers 590 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: the Browns for the athletic. You can follow him on 591 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: Twitter at Akron Jackson. The Browns have had a lot 592 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: of head scratching things happen this year, from the Miles 593 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: Garrett helmets swinging incident to the guy that got caught 594 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: after death threats on Twitter. Explain this one to me Zach. 595 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: Last week in their loss to the Ravens, Sheldon richards 596 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: And gets a fifteen yard penalty during an injury time 597 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: out because he refused to leave the opponent's sideline when 598 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: the officials told him too. Is that accurate? The six 599 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: wain Cleveland Browns got two fifteen yard penalties off but 600 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: Bell taunting after a routine catch and runs and one 601 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: for yes, refusing to leave an area during an injury 602 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: timeout they got. The Browns used the time out on 603 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: fourth down before ultimately deciding to punt early in the 604 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: game and then late in the game. Yes, we're assessed 605 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: the fifteen yard penalty during an injury timeout. It's the 606 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: story of the year. You can't make it up. So 607 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: Freddie got himself in a little pinch with the Pittsburgh 608 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: started at sweater. Do you think he'll come to Cincinnati 609 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: in a good Christmas sweater or what do you think 610 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: he's gonna wear? Oh man, Yeah, it's we laugh because 611 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: it's it's been that all along. I mean, this team 612 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: is all on Instagram with how they dressed in their accessories, 613 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: their headphones and their watches and all these things. Then 614 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: hewear's that T shirt? You know? I just laughed when 615 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: we talked about it on the podcast. Like the Ravens 616 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: are in this historic win streak and Lamar spotted in 617 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: a T shirt that says nobody cares work harder? Right, 618 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: the Browns are the disappointment of the league, and Freddie 619 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: spotted at the movie theater where in a pen Bridge 620 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: started a T shirt Like, what's the difference than organizations? 621 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: Will let's start there right right? Is the overwhelming feeling 622 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: this year in Cleveland of opportunity lost? I mean, the 623 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: Steelers lose Roethlisberger at the beginning of the season. The 624 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: Bengals are in rebuild mode this year. There's obviously a 625 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: lot of talent on the Browns, maybe not as much 626 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: as people thought, But is that the vibe that they 627 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: had a great opportunity and just botched it? Yeah? Absolutely, Dan, 628 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: I mean they have arguably the win of the year. 629 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: They beat the Ravens sixteen point. You know in Baltimore, 630 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: the Ravens fans left that game with eight minutes left. 631 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: Order on the final score is yeah, yeah, and you're right, 632 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: like that is one of the things we kind of do. 633 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: The apocy is was there as much talent, but no 634 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: doubt it's opportunity loss because the Steelers lost for Roethlisberger. 635 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: Even you know, going back three weeks to the second 636 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: Brown Steelers, if the Browns just win that game, then 637 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: they're in the wild card hunt and they lose the 638 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:25,399 Speaker 1: Duck Hodges, right, So yeah, yeah, they just like I said, 639 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: they just never established that flow. And even when they 640 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: started to play better in mid October through mid November, 641 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 1: which is when good teams get good. And that's fine, 642 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: you lots of teams historically have erased slow or puzzling starts, right, 643 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: they just never could get to that next step offensively. 644 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you this, even going back and I 645 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: mentioned this earlier to the summer, when I saw I 646 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,879 Speaker 1: saw this coming a little bit, I didn't like to vibe. 647 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: I didn't like the maturity yet like all that stuff. 648 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: I just thought, well, they're gonna have enough offense that 649 00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: they're gonna be able to steal a game or two 650 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: along the way and then eventually they'll figure it out. 651 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: But they haven't. You know, they have not. The Ravens 652 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: have not lost in their stadium that day, and the 653 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: Browns haven't won a road game since. And it's just 654 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 1: that's what a mature team does, is you just go 655 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,240 Speaker 1: on the road and win. And they lost the Brandon 656 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 1: Allen in Denver, who was making his first NFL start, 657 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: and they lost the Duck Hodges in Pittsburgh. And we 658 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: all know Duck Hodges is an undrafted record. So watching 659 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: tape getting ready for the first matchup with Cleveland, I thought, 660 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, like, I think your point about never established 661 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,720 Speaker 1: an identity is right on, because to me, it was like, Okay, 662 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 1: well I got the bottle Landry, I better get it 663 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,240 Speaker 1: to Beckham because he's gonna be he's gonna be pissed 664 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: if I don't job I get Oh, I better get 665 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,240 Speaker 1: it to Hunt too. It's like, instead of just reading 666 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: out plays and playing offense, he's like trying to you know, 667 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: be the you know, the bargainer and divide a football 668 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: four ways when there's only one football. It's like he 669 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 1: seemed to be almost hindered by you know, too many, 670 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: too many guys to try to get the football too. 671 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: Is there anything to that? Yeah, I think a little bit, 672 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: But I just think it's missed opportunities. You know, the 673 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 1: first three weeks that Hunt came back, they were averaging 674 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: seven yards of play with those two on the field together, 675 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:17,760 Speaker 1: you know, because he and just don't see it anymore. 676 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: And then teams adjusted and the story as they got 677 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: too cute. They're playing them together because almost like they 678 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 1: know that, but then they're splitting them out. Like Nick 679 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: Chubb is one of the three most gifted running backs 680 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: in the league. What good is he doing over they're 681 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 1: standing next to the Ravens sideline in a five wide formation? 682 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: Are doing you know good? Put him in the backfield 683 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 1: and give him the ball. You know. David Najoku, who 684 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,919 Speaker 1: is not a promising guy, but he is a first 685 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: round player and his player that needed to develop has 686 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: had a completely lost season. He had the injuries, and 687 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: now he's been a healthy scratch. Rashard Higgins, who is 688 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,439 Speaker 1: not a physically gifted receiver, but it is a really 689 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: one with Baker Mayfield that they really developed in Baker's 690 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,240 Speaker 1: first training camp has fallen totally out of the rotation. 691 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: He refused to own a game he played. He caught 692 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: the winning touchdown when they beat Buffalo, which is obviously 693 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 1: a good win, but he has not even played more 694 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: than five offensive snap since then. So it's just when 695 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: I say disjointed lap, I'm actually not doing it justice. 696 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: It's what you said with where the ball goes. It's 697 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: what you said with where the ball is supposed to go. 698 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,720 Speaker 1: It's who's on the field, it's who's mad on the field, 699 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 1: it's just everything, and it's just been maddening. And so yeah, 700 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: you just it comes back to the overall team of 701 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: this is a last year, because even if they would 702 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,280 Speaker 1: have just been a little bit better offensively and established 703 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: a couple of things, then they could be playing for 704 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,720 Speaker 1: the playoffs now and they'd be the type of team 705 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: with those two running backs that could really play with 706 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: just about anybody in January. But instead it's just been 707 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: off the field disasters and more disappointments and probably another 708 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: coaching search. My final question for Zach Jackson, who covers 709 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 1: the Browns for the Athletic Who and Who earlier in 710 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: this interview, said he would not be surprised if Marvin 711 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: Lewis got an interview to be the head coach of 712 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browl. Yes, I remember correctly, Zach that you 713 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: are on the Josh McDaniels bandwagon. Is that would that 714 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,840 Speaker 1: be your first guy to talk to? Well? Yeah, I 715 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: just think because he definitely likes Baker. I mean, Baker's 716 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: on the record saying that he thought he would be 717 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: drafted by the Patriots Matthew Brown. Josh is a Northeast 718 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,760 Speaker 1: Ohio native, and Josh has been a head coach before, 719 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,439 Speaker 1: and he knows he's only getting one more chance. And 720 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: I just think that checks a lot of boxes. I mean, 721 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,720 Speaker 1: of all this, Odell say, ergo, you know what happens 722 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: with these two running backs who are a year or 723 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,720 Speaker 1: two up from their contracts. You know what is Miles 724 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 1: Garrett's future, all this uncertainty. Baker's going to be here, right, 725 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 1: You just drafted him number one two years ago. You 726 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 1: need him to be good or you're going to be 727 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: screwed again. So I just think that guy, as I 728 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,359 Speaker 1: look at the list, is the one that I would 729 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: sit down with try to hammer out whatever differences, try 730 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: to figure out you know where he is and what 731 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,359 Speaker 1: he thinks about this team and see if you could 732 00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: make it work, because I think he would come in 733 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: with an all weather offense, with an understanding of what 734 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,800 Speaker 1: it takes to help the quarterback get to the next level, 735 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,280 Speaker 1: and you know really probably also and still some discipline. 736 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: It's a team that for much of the year led 737 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,720 Speaker 1: the league and penalties by a wide margin. They've cleaned 738 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: that up a little bit. But then we were just 739 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,439 Speaker 1: laughing about the fifteen yard or Durny injury time out. 740 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: We laugh because we don't want to cry here. Finally, 741 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: with Baker Mayfield, I mean, I know, I know the personality, 742 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 1: the you know, the big personnel that fills a room 743 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,399 Speaker 1: as an attraction to Baker Mayfield, but when he threw 744 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: the training staff under the bus, you know, with Beckham 745 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 1: and saying a little bit too much. Obviously, Josh McDaniel 746 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: is used to Tom Brady, you know, like and do 747 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: you think Josh McDaniel or whoever the next head coach 748 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: is is going to sit down with Baker Mayfield and say, hey, bro, 749 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: how about editing, how about a little zipper action? Yeah? 750 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: I think so, I think, you know, I think it's 751 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: all cute, and it's Baker is a wonderful story. Right, 752 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: I've always been doubted and it's all great when it's 753 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 1: going well. Well, this is the first time Texas Tech 754 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 1: that he's faced any adversity and it's all not so cute, right, 755 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: And so yeah, I think he needs to grow up. 756 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,959 Speaker 1: I think organizationally, they need to grow up. And we'll see. 757 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: I mean, this is about Baker Mayfield. This is about 758 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, Baker Mayfield being better in Baker Mayfield 759 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: being the right guy, because that gives whoever the coaches 760 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,359 Speaker 1: and whoever the other guys are who we all know 761 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 1: in this league are very dispensable and there will be 762 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: tons to turn over. Baker's got to be the guy 763 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,840 Speaker 1: for the Browns will eventually get to where they're playing 764 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,280 Speaker 1: this game, to get to January and playing in January 765 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,759 Speaker 1: rather than having a coaching search every January, thanks to 766 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: Zach Jackson. And that's going to do it for this 767 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 1: episode of the podcast. If you haven't done so already, 768 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,800 Speaker 1: don't forget to subscribe, And if you have a minute, 769 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: give it a rating or share a comment. Those five 770 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 1: star ratings help more Bengals fans find this podcast. I'm 771 00:40:54,800 --> 00:41:06,839 Speaker 1: Dan Horde and thanks for listening to the Bengals Booth podcast.