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Speaker 2: It's in the privilege. Well we have what we're looking like.

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Speaker 3: Check it on out. Yeah, we all country to mister Crumb.

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Speaker 3: You know Missipi, people from Georgia and Florida. You got

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Speaker 4: The fan.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's what's up.

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Speaker 5: Appreciate it, man, man, it's not.

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Speaker 3: Yea were good comedian, mister crow, but you don't never

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Speaker 3: flopish you can come out. Yeah, you just what other

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Speaker 3: people we need to go. I'm just getting y'all got everything.

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Speaker 3: I feel like everybody got on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Atlanta you got I want exactly. Yeah, you said

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Speaker 6: Man, And she said, yeah, I know beautiful people and

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Speaker 4: Yeah what what my what jail jah jail?

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Speaker 5: We want to prop it up. I wanna put something

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Speaker 3: Man, I went to the mall today. They in there.

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Speaker 2: I went to the cookie spot, right, I got me

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I's not to go back the ice.

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Speaker 3: That might be the coolest. That's how we lived. Man.

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Speaker 3: Let me stay that.

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Speaker 1: I'm civil rights attorney, being crumps many referred to as

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Speaker 3: And I'm here with eighty five South.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, and I was telling the fellas, first of all,

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Speaker 1: Pryor and Bernie Mack and Robin Harris, these courageous brothers

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Speaker 1: those Richard Pride jokes man. And the last thing I say, gentlemen,

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Speaker 3: Man, this might be the coolest studio I ever been.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about representing the culture. Yes, glad to have you, brother.

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Speaker 3: Smooth bit here.

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Speaker 2: Come on, man, play me something so we can get

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Speaker 2: to this deposition.

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Speaker 3: Come along.

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Speaker 5: Procedures, because hold on, I get the discovery. Hold, I

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Speaker 2: We coming real, real smooth, with more efidence than a

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Speaker 3: Come on, man, you don't know what we man.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about all the constitutional rights the Lord

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Speaker 5: They trying to take it, especially Mississippi Alabae.

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Speaker 1: But we we need to have the constitution for our people.

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Speaker 4: Boy, they used to make her read that they constituents

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Speaker 1: That and that with what's going on with Ice, boy, Shoot,

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Speaker 1: they're attacking the constitution in every way.

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Speaker 3: Now we may get into that. Yeah, man, see this

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Speaker 2: And you know, when all this stuff be going on

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Speaker 3: Many because that's exactly what I said.

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Speaker 1: Thank y'all for carring on the legacy of Richard Pride

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Speaker 1: Man and Bernie Back and there man if you go

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Richard Prony in hold back Man and Red.

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Speaker 3: Fox all.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, Man, you went there, man, Gregory kept it

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Speaker 3: Most definitely and then welcome back man. Come on man.

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Speaker 2: Now you know we come in here, we get a

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Speaker 3: Man. We got civil rights attorney. Come on, many turn yes,

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Speaker 3: come on, come.

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Speaker 5: On, and.

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Speaker 2: We get to really get the inside school man. Brother,

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Speaker 3: Hey, thank you King, Hey man, honor to be here

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Speaker 3: a for you, brothers.

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Speaker 5: Go.

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Speaker 1: I keep representing the coaching plus now more than ever.

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Speaker 3: You made, you choose law, you know, and this has

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Speaker 1: I remember the exact time when I was nine years

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Speaker 1: Well in North Carolina, I'm sure was similar in Mississippi.

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Speaker 2: And another question that I had as a black man

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because I think it's always with you.

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Speaker 1: I look at my daughter, I look at all my

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Speaker 3: Understand what you're fighting for. Man, were fighting for our future.

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Speaker 1: I mean especially right now in America, they seem to

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Speaker 3: War on black and brown people. I mean attack on.

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Speaker 3: So every day we got to be all in.

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Speaker 4: You said them grits. I was thinking about their starts

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Speaker 1: And man, that white is good for you. Man, starting

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Speaker 1: We really got to be intentional about our health because, uh,

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Speaker 1: And I do believe this man, the powers that be

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Speaker 1: You know, if they keep us eating bad food and

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Speaker 3: But I gotta say it, that's what they don't want us, six.

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Speaker 1: Stupid and broken black people, and we got to say

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Speaker 5: I mean that around you in the community, that's gonna

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Speaker 1: But it is so deep that you say that, man,

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Speaker 3: Doing farmer dirty period.

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Speaker 1: So tragic to watch the Constitution being obliberated right before

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Speaker 4: Everything that you're saying now, things that have actually been

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Speaker 3: This is my boy at my first legal thriller worse

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Speaker 1: Now it's a fiction, but you know it's very similar

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Speaker 1: to place it on the night of President Obama's historic

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Speaker 1: election in two thous lady, and I did that intentionally, Chris.

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Speaker 1: I was very focused on trying to create this allegory

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Speaker 1: of events and characters, to have the setting where it

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Speaker 1: would create symbolic ideas like the election of the first

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Speaker 1: black president of the United States history, and then people

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Speaker 1: talking about, well, it's post racial America, we ain't gonna

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Speaker 1: have no need for civil rights.

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Speaker 3: But on that very.

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Speaker 1: Night, these four white officers shoot this black man who

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Speaker 1: is a great person. I mean, they try to come

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Speaker 1: up oftentimes, y'all, and you know this colose, They will

457
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Speaker 1: try to assassinate the character, say, oh, well, you know

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Speaker 1: he was a convicted fellow, or he'd been arrested before,

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Speaker 1: or you know, an legal immigrant. They'll come up with something.

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Speaker 1: I said, I made the character Holls, my trops be

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Speaker 1: a police officer, I mean, flawless their thing.

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Speaker 3: But it didn't.

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Speaker 1: Matter because they didn't see him. They only saw a

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Speaker 1: projection of him, and in their mind Obama had just

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Speaker 1: become president, and they wanted to assert and show everybody

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Speaker 1: that no, no, it don't matter who in the White House,

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Speaker 1: we're still in control. And it was almost for shouting

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Speaker 1: because it was the pushback against the election of the

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Speaker 1: first president there. And so the book on top of

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Speaker 1: being a legal thriller with all the twist and turns

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Speaker 1: and you trying to get to truth in justice. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they shot him ten times, yet they charged him with

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Speaker 1: attempted murder and he's facing prison. And then this Vote Cooper,

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Speaker 1: lawyer from Houston, Texas, with his crew, come in and

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Speaker 1: they know early on, at the very beginning when they

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Speaker 1: start denying him bail and so forth, that to beat

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Speaker 1: this broken system, Bolee Cooper gonna need more than the

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Speaker 1: truth to prevail.

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Speaker 3: And that's the scene.

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Speaker 1: And it's like a few men and all that I

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Speaker 1: know but with a different flavor, because now you got

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Speaker 1: people lily like us as he rose and the coachre

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Speaker 1: on front Street in the courtroom, objecting.

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Speaker 2: Like any actions and got to be around Barack Obama.

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Speaker 3: How did that? How did that look? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: It is deep man, because you know President Obama, when

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Speaker 1: I was representing Trayvon Martin, you know, he came out

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Speaker 1: in the White House Rose Garden and said, if I

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Speaker 1: had a son, he would look like Trayvon. And the

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Speaker 1: case was already building. But when he did that, that

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Speaker 1: was the first time. People, you know, we expect now

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Speaker 1: presidents to talk about these social justice issues, but.

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Speaker 3: They had never done that in America.

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Speaker 1: Not even a US president had talked about Emmitt Till

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Speaker 1: and so forth. So when Barack Obama did that, you

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Speaker 1: knew that it was a watershed moment for America. And

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Speaker 1: so I wanted to remind America that this two thousand

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Speaker 1: and eight, even though we celebrated and it was a

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Speaker 1: moment of hope and progress for so many, for others,

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Speaker 1: it was you know, a line in the sand, and

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Speaker 1: it was the pushback. And it's what you said, now,

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Speaker 1: what we have happened in America now? And so I

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Speaker 1: wanted to tell them. I mean, bring those two convergent

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Speaker 1: things together. Obama elected black man brutally shot and so forth,

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Speaker 1: and how the systems told us loud and living color. No, No,

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Speaker 1: this ain't no post racial America. We going to need

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Speaker 1: civil rights lawyers, not more than ever. And that's what

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Speaker 1: we try to do with the book inspid the next generation,

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Speaker 1: just like books like to Kill a mocking Bird people.

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Speaker 3: People.

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Speaker 4: That's why I think we broke college from Mississippi. He

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Speaker 4: made me get into the Mississippi history even more with

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Speaker 4: like you said in matild case.

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Speaker 3: Til case came about because t R. M. Howard made

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Speaker 3: and Ma till Mama come forward with the case. Right,

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Speaker 3: And Howard had.

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Speaker 4: An insurance company, Mecca Elvis and fan of New Hammer

518
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Speaker 4: worked for Tim Howard.

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Speaker 3: So we got some leaders. That's that's right there. But

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Speaker 3: we may not know it all the way right there there,

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Speaker 3: right And man, I'm just blown away brother about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: your historical accuracy talk about that's what he do. He

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Speaker 3: gonna he gonna, he's gonna.

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Speaker 5: Look into some black history and he's gonna find out

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Speaker 5: and he's gonna share it with anybody.

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Speaker 3: Who you know what I'm saying, yeah, he.

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Speaker 1: Love make up to the museum. Just argue the museum

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Speaker 1: what you said. And you know, and I love it, man,

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Speaker 1: because when I watched Dave Chappelle's specials and everything, and

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Speaker 1: you know his mother was an African American.

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Speaker 3: History but.

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Speaker 1: Mombo and Kenya and everything, well congo right, you're right,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: Get y'all in Kenya.

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Speaker 1: But it's those type of things that if we can

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Speaker 1: find a way to entertained through the comedy but yet

537
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: still be teaching, man, that's how we win because we

538
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Speaker 1: got to figure out how to get to the young people.

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Speaker 1: Since they're trying to take black kid history out of

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Speaker 1: the school, we got to teach our history in other ways.

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Speaker 1: That's what and that's why that's why I'm you know

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Speaker 1: by South Baby, it's your time, man, I'm serious about.

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Speaker 3: That they take black history.

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Speaker 5: It's gonna be a problem because it was started adding

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Speaker 5: stuff to the story rose a parts of lou color food,

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Speaker 5: Come on, seven white men down and waiting for the police.

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Speaker 3: Bb King making it up. We're gonna make it. We're

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Speaker 3: gonna make it. I want.

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Speaker 2: What's your message to the next generation of young black professionals,

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Speaker 2: Because we don't get to hear from a lot of

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Speaker 2: our people who are in the position like a band crump,

552
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Speaker 2: like the next generation of lawyers, or like you said,

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Speaker 2: the graduates from the HBCUs Man. Sometimes all it take

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Speaker 2: is to just hear from somebody who've been there.

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Speaker 3: Man, So what's your message to him?

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Speaker 1: You know, my message is pretty straightforward. The future of

557
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: black people is not determined upon how white people treat us.

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Speaker 1: The future of Black people is not determined about how

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Speaker 1: white people support us. The future of black people is

560
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Speaker 1: not determined by how white people invest in us. The

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Speaker 1: future of black people is going to be determined by

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Speaker 1: how we treat each other. The future of Black people

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Speaker 1: is going to be determined on how we support each other.

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Speaker 1: The future of black people is going to be on

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Speaker 1: how we invest in each other, because right now we

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Speaker 1: have to build a strong black economic base. More than

567
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Speaker 1: anything else, y'all, more than anything we could be doing,

568
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: is supporting black business, trying to work with other black people,

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Speaker 1: trying to have eighty five style production company and.

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Speaker 3: Then tell how to expand that.

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Speaker 1: Talking about black farmers and black grocery stores, black insurance agencies,

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Speaker 1: black mechanics, black dry cleaners, black law firms, black medical associations,

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Speaker 1: black doctors, black funeral homes. I mean supporting our own.

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Speaker 1: I mean telling each other when y'all sit around and

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Speaker 1: say that at least fifty percent of my money go

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Speaker 1: to black businesses, because we know the truths that in

577
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: the Asian community, their dollar circulates in their community twenty

578
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: four times before it leaves their community. Our Jewish sisters

579
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Speaker 1: and brothers, their dollar circulates in their community seventeen times

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Speaker 1: before it leaves the Jewish community.

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Speaker 3: And they say, the black dollar stays.

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Speaker 1: In our community seventeen minutes before we go give it

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Speaker 1: to the white community and everybody else. So the future

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Speaker 1: of black people, I say that all young professionals, we

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Speaker 1: got to support everything black and are we're gonna be perfect?

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Speaker 3: No, but it ain't none of them perfect.

587
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Speaker 1: But we are so quick to criticize black people and

588
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Speaker 1: black businesses and black associations, and it's just crabbing.

589
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 3: The bucket mentality.

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Speaker 1: And that's what they're counting on now more than ever,

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Speaker 1: especially with this misinformation that's out there on the Internet

592
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Speaker 1: and social media. They're trying to keep us attacking each other.

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00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: Just dramatic stuff like when we first started talking about

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Speaker 1: They want us to just be stupid, sick and broke.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 1: And so that's how we get by by starting to

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Speaker 1: build our community. Because when the money stays in our community,

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Speaker 1: then we can support our black colleges, we can support

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Speaker 1: our black schools, we can support our black children health care, our.

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Speaker 3: Black children have an access to capital.

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Speaker 1: I mean, once we start supporting our own, then you

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Speaker 1: can be like the Jewish community. You can be like

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Speaker 1: the Indian community. All these people they don't look for

604
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: white people to come in. They don't look for government intervention.

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00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: They said, no, no, we got everything we need within ourselves.

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Speaker 3: Like new Jack Cidy. You remember when see them be

607
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Speaker 3: saying we'll self contained unit.

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Speaker 1: We all, we all, we got that. Wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: we went from third good b.

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Speaker 3: Legal system.

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Speaker 1: Bring it was American.

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Speaker 3: Brown? Wasn't she at his real estate? He took home

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Speaker 3: in the car?

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Speaker 5: Holldo holdol hold on?

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Speaker 3: Made? The problem is cash? Find it? Hold on you?

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Speaker 5: I just live a movie fans, Yes, sir, this sounds

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Speaker 5: like you know what I'm saying. Something might be in

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Speaker 5: the I'm just saying. If it was a scene where

619
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Speaker 5: eighty five so I was on there talking about what

620
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Speaker 5: happened with the character.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that. I just that's something that just taste.

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Speaker 3: I just threw it out of that. You know, it's

623
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Speaker 3: just not I guess you know, you know something.

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Speaker 4: Give last time, last time I went to court, though, man,

625
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 4: you know, because a lot of time we go to court,

626
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Speaker 4: we'd be seeing the same the same judges and and

627
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Speaker 4: then return to judge.

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Speaker 3: He the same criminals. But sometimes they get us mixed up.

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Speaker 4: Last time I walked down court, judge and didn't I

630
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Speaker 4: tell you, don't come in my courtroom again. You come

631
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Speaker 4: in my court and get my told I'm sending you

632
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Speaker 4: to jail. I said, Man, I ain't even in here

633
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Speaker 4: for court today.

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Speaker 3: I'm here with my cousin. Niggas. Damn you in that

635
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Speaker 3: dress he gave my cousin five years foot. Take it

636
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Speaker 3: like that. But that's just all I had to say

637
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 3: about that.

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Speaker 1: Well, even though I know it's human that it has

639
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: track here, it's a lot of truth in it, you know.

640
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: Richard Pryor said, back when he was U in the

641
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: seventies and his comedy albums, I went down to the

642
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: court room looking for just us. That's all I found,

643
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: you know. So it's still the same today. But you know,

644
00:36:55,000 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 1: we can we can help the situation. I mean, I'm

645
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Speaker 1: black American's attorney general and I try to use the

646
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Speaker 1: platform I got to tell black people, man, you got

647
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Speaker 1: to uh engage in jury service.

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Speaker 3: Jerry Dudy hell Man.

649
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: They brought me down there for Jerry Dude the one

650
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 2: time talking about a double murdered man.

651
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Speaker 1: Know me, that was the only got my name.

652
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Speaker 3: Yes, you gotta let me go.

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Speaker 5: You know, when they asked them questions, I ain't gonna like,

654
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Speaker 5: do you have any any conflict interests?

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Speaker 3: Police? I said, if you.

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Speaker 1: Let me say this in all seriousness, now, in all seriousness,

657
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Speaker 1: we need you on that jury because the hardest thing

658
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Speaker 1: in the world to do as a black lawyer is

659
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Speaker 1: to go in the courtroom and with your black client,

660
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Speaker 1: June Bug, that's your and everything else in the courtroom

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Speaker 1: is white except the judge's role and expect that you're

662
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: gonna get equal justice. And you know, when you just

663
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Speaker 1: got one black person on the jury, just one black

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Speaker 1: person on the jury, it changes the whole compensation when

665
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: they deliberate people. You know, we've been blessed, man, We

666
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: we got we got we.

667
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 5: Know some huge burdens white people is going to court

668
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 5: and all the druids were black.

669
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 3: And exactly, boy, exactly, I ain't never even think about

670
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 3: it a black from my own gabbler.

671
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: That for y'all state, mister STIFFI Alabama where we got

672
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: the majority.

673
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 3: Oh man, if black people showing up the jury, dude,

674
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 3: they could do it.

675
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: Because I'm telling y'all, man, I go in courtrooms and

676
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: God be with us, because sometimes I'm just looking at

677
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: all white jury and I'm like, man, how can I

678
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: make them understand the life experiences of this black person,

679
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 1: the coach of this black person, you know, the loss

680
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: and the emotions of this black family's loss. And I

681
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: have to jump over hurdles to try to make sure

682
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: that these.

683
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 3: White probably Fox News watchers.

684
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: Can give equal respect and equal dignity to a George

685
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: Floyd or Breonna Taylor, mard Obby.

686
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: And God has.

687
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 1: Mike Brown, Yeah, and Mike Brown father, Mike Brown Senior

688
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: Lanley makes fatteren. I mean the fact if you can

689
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: have black jurors looking at that situation, it.

690
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 3: Makes all the difference in the world. Man.

691
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: And so we just got to show up and people

692
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: say black lives matter where it's really your time. If

693
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: you're in that courtroom and you one of those. In

694
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: most cases six jurors, and then if it's a capital

695
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: case where somebody can spend life in prison, it's twelve jurors.

696
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: But if you are in that courtroom and you one

697
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: of them, you can make all the difference in the world.

698
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: For Mike Brown, you can make all the difference in

699
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: the world. For Trey Vine, you can make all the

700
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: difference in the world, for Sandra Bland, all these people. Man,

701
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: can you imagine if you were in the jury box

702
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: and when they was talking about, you know, Zimmerman killing

703
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: Tray Vine.

704
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 3: With your message but he did.

705
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: I'm just saying you could be back there educating the

706
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: white folks. You can hate the jury and be like, nah,

707
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: we ain't send that black man to jail. Other day,

708
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I mean it's power that we have if

709
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: we just would, man, we go into the court room

710
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: and Cliff Jon know we sending the court room black

711
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 1: people do everything and their.

712
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 3: Power to get off the jury.

713
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: I mean, look, the problem is our white sisters and

714
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: brothers they doing everything and they power to be on

715
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: the jury. They like no, no, no, this to day

716
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna make America great. We're gonna be on this jury,

717
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: and I want us black people to have the same result. No,

718
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: we gonna make sure our people get justice today.

719
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you this.

720
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 2: Any you represent a lot of high profile cases, do

721
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: any of those cases disturb you want like more than

722
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 2: the other or it's just the same feeling all across

723
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 2: the board, like that's that your blad one? That one

724
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 2: really was disturbing because we still don't know what happened

725
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: to her.

726
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: There's so many of a man that are so troubling

727
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: to your soul. You know, Trey Vine would have been

728
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: thirty one years old, yes.

729
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 3: Lord, man playing yeah man yesterday.

730
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a whole life that we remember when he

731
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 4: was didn't happen, I's a whole another fifteen years, just

732
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 4: like that.

733
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 3: Man in twenty twelve.

734
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: Man, And I often think, man, what would have come

735
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: of Trayvon Benjamin Martin had he been able to live

736
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 1: his life out? What would have come of Brionna Taylor?

737
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: That sister was doing all the right stuff. I mean,

738
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: she was doing everything, both of them. Jean, Yeah, I

739
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: remember the brother who got here by the white policewoman

740
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: who came into his apartment and it was hers. He

741
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 1: eating ice cream, mining his business, she shooting killed him,

742
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: and then hold a self defense and people try to

743
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: have sympathy for her even though she killed this man

744
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: in his own place. And he was a certified public

745
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 1: accountant at twenty three years old. I mean, how much

746
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,959
Speaker 1: a future he had? I write it was, man, those

747
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: things trouble you so much. Man, that these young people

748
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: who could have been your sister, your brother, you know,

749
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: taking away Tyree Nichols in Memphis. I mean, and so

750
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: all these cases matter, every.

751
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 3: One of them.

752
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 1: And you know, I was going to say we were blessed.

753
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: You know, we got the record for the highest amount

754
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: ever paid out in what we call a compensatory case

755
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: for a wrong with that I wind seven hundred and

756
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: eighty million dollars and so forth. And I think a

757
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 1: lot of that had to do. We had three blacks

758
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: on the jury. It matters, It matters, mister.

759
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 3: I can tell you this right here.

760
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 4: When I first came up here today, my friend told

761
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 4: me that man, all right, when you talk to him

762
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 4: now you see him just on TV with everybody else,

763
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 4: but he is an educated man. He went through the

764
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 4: process he then took the bar. You are a lawyer

765
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 4: for real. So that's why I wanted to We wanted

766
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 4: to get your respect on that.

767
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 3: But I wanted to ask you too, like why was

768
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 3: it so hard for black people.

769
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 4: Black people had to have an apprentice to even.

770
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 3: Be a lawyer.

771
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: We couldn't even just go in law school like that too.

772
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: You know, we have to be careful because the passes prologue.

773
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: You know, they didn't want The whole reason they have

774
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: the barxam is because the persons side Carolina came up

775
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: with a way to try to keep blacks from becoming lawyers.

776
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: And you remember in Shakespeare's play Henry the Third, the

777
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: first thing they said is kill all the lawyers. Yep,

778
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: because if we didn't have the lawyers, nobody interpret the

779
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: law tyranny and you know, injustice can reign free. And

780
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: so if black people ain't got no black lawyers, then

781
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: they could just beat us anything. And now you see

782
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: this attack on d I like it's a bad word

783
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: and everything trying to help get black people equity, not

784
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: just equality, because there's a big difference between equality and equity.

785
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: Equality you know, is just saying we giving everybody equal

786
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: chances and everything. Equity is taking an account that they

787
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: got a four hundred year head start. You know that

788
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: we built this country for free. We didn't get our

789
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: four the acres in the mute and so forth, so

790
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: we got to account for that, and that's what we

791
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: talk about equity. But now they are trying to say,

792
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: now we don't want anything that gives black or brown

793
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: people a chance to have an equal playing field. And

794
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 1: so now we are going to properly see less people

795
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: het professional degrees like doctor's degrees and engineering degrees and

796
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: law degrees than we did twenty five thirty years ago.

797
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 3: I mean, our children, this generation today, we.

798
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: Won't get as many black lawyers today as we got

799
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 1: twenty five years ago by the laws that they're pushing,

800
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: because they understand when you give a little black boy

801
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: from Limington, North Carolina, being crupp a law degree, man,

802
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: look what that negro could do.

803
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 3: They can go win the money.

804
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and that's the thing that they I

805
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: think they don't want an equal playing field.

806
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 3: That's what they don't want.

807
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: Don't They scared to compete fairly with that right? And

808
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: that's what I think it's always been about. Because they

809
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: saw when you had the Martin Luther King's with the

810
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: oratorical skills, you had the third Good Marshalls with the

811
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 1: legal skills. You know, you had all these black inventors

812
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: were so little be able to achieve so much. You

813
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: saw the sisters with NASA and everything.

814
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 3: How they knew their.

815
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 4: Contributions they not even just contributions, the stuff that we

816
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 4: do with underniables deal literally have Yeah, especially when we

817
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 4: come together.

818
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: Think about George Washington cover there in Tuskege, Alabama.

819
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 3: Many Booker t had that.

820
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and how you know Henry Ford and them were

821
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: trying to get George Washington Carver away because he was

822
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: that brilliant and thank god he said, I might have principles.

823
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: Now I'm trying to educate the next generation of black people.

824
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 3: You got enough money, Henry Ford? Yeah, yeah, man enough.

825
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 3: That's real. Though, Why is.

826
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 4: It so hard for police officers to get prosecuted on video?

827
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 3: Thanks for bringing us back to the book. Nah.

828
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: You know, in the book we talk about how they try,

829
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: the system tries to come up with what I call

830
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: the intellectual justification of discrimination. And to a larger point,

831
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: it's what Martin Luther King said in his letter from

832
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: the Birmingham jail when he said, you know, everybody remember

833
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: injustice anywhere, threatened justice everywhere. But I thought it was

834
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: more profound when he said, just because they tell us

835
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: it's legal, that don't make it right, because you know,

836
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: they start trying us say slavery, legal segregation. Everything Hitler

837
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: did to the Jews in Germany was legal. Everything that

838
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: happened to Emmitt tell they said it was legal. So

839
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: when they tell us it's legal, that don't make could

840
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: write so this thing qualified immunity, this assumption that when

841
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: the police act in the color of law, we first

842
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: have to give him the rebuttable presumption that what they

843
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: were doing was legal, and then we have to prove

844
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 1: that whatever this I mean, it's still don't make any

845
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: tried to make them innocent by saying if they had

846
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: a subjective belief that somebody was gonna put them in

847
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: feel their life, not an objective belief, but a subjective

848
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: and fear in my mind, And think about all these

849
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 1: qualified immunity cases. Man, when you think about Eric Garneer

850
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: being choking and so forth, they're like, oh, well, justify

851
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: because they fear that he was going to harm the

852
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: police yeah, this whole theory of the bit scary black

853
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: person Michael Brown and Ferguson running away from the copy

854
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: they shoot them and everything, and qualified immunity because in

855
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: his mind he said, Mike Brown could hear yeah, I mean,

856
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: And so qualified community is just intellectual justification for discrimination.

857
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: It's just like the standard ground laws and everything the

858
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: subjective feels. And that's what made Trey vonn such a

859
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: I think phenomenon black people.

860
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 3: As bad as it was.

861
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: We had got used to police kill our children, and

862
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: they for the most part get away with it.

863
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 3: But now we'll stand your ground.

864
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: It was our lord that said any Tom Dicker, Harry Citizen,

865
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: he was killed our children and then say oh, I

866
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: felt to fill my life and go home and sleep

867
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: in their bed at night. And so that's what this

868
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: qualified immunity is about. It's trying to say, well, you

869
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: gotta try to put yourself in the shoes of the

870
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: police officer. You can't be objective with all this video

871
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: stuff we see say no, nah, he wasn't in fit,

872
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: he just killed that man.

873
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 3: How you when you got phone numbers? Yeah?

874
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 5: How you infeel when you got a whole toolb belt

875
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,479
Speaker 5: full of weapons? And everything we say, he feel because

876
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 5: somebody said, in the name of Jesus, yeah.

877
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 1: Oh my God, with the master man, Yeah, the family, No,

878
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: saw your master you know you're talking about cases that's troubling.

879
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,439
Speaker 1: She called the police for help, She called for help.

880
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: She wasn't committing no crime or anything. And and my investigator,

881
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,919
Speaker 1: Cliff Jones, and I thank god, we got as full

882
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: of justice as we can get for her. And I

883
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 1: always say a measure of justice because true justice would

884
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: be her not being shot and.

885
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 3: Killed in the brig place.

886
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: But we we were able to get a ten million

887
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: dollar civil settlement, which was the most for any black

888
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: per woman in the state of Illinois. Then we got

889
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: the saw your massive law pass. Okay, that stays that

890
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: a police officer when they come to god interview for

891
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: the job, that it must be revealed, all of the complaints,

892
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: all the other complaints of excessive force gott to be

893
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: known and so forth, because remember this guy had went

894
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: through six jobs in four years. He kept getting fired

895
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 1: different police every different police agents.

896
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

897
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you you're right man. And then saw your Massy.

898
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: Uh you know, the jury we thought it should be

899
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: first degree murder because you remember he shot her when

900
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: she said, I rebuke you in.

901
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 3: The name of Jesus.

902
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: He said, oh, no, hell you want, I'll shoot you

903
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: in your fm face And then he stepped around the

904
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: counter and shot her in her face, which she said

905
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: it the second time. And the jury came back and

906
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: convicted him of second degree murder, and we thought it

907
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: should be first degree, but the judge did something just

908
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: uh whether the last week, Cliff, last week, the judge

909
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: gave him the maximum and very rarely do police get

910
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: the maximum sentence. The judge gave him the maximum sentence

911
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: that they could get. And y'all, it's sad, how.

912
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 3: Twenty years.

913
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: It's sad though, y'all because a brother we can get

914
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: twenty years for selling marijuana, you know. And so that's

915
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: the thing that we got to keep fighting for. The

916
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: struggle is never over. The struggle continues. And that's why

917
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: I want everybody to get the book. Worse than a

918
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: lie And the reason seriously though, y'all, my grandmother taught

919
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:43,479
Speaker 1: me when I was a little boy.

920
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 3: She said, what's worse than a lie?

921
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: That is to tell the truth. Lord, they have nobody

922
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: believe you. Can you imagine how many young brothers and

923
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: black sisters have to go in courtroom and lie on

924
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: themselves and take these plea deals, because if they don't,

925
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: the alternative could be they be convicted of a trumped

926
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: up charge. And I do mean a trumped up charge

927
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: that put them in prison for the better part of

928
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,479
Speaker 1: their lives. And so that's what we talk about. Worse

929
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: than a lot because we get in here. You see,

930
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: that is so much worse than whatever you could think

931
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: of what actually goes into court owned in the courtroom.

932
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,479
Speaker 1: Like third good marsh you said, most people will never

933
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: really know what happens in a courtroom. That's why he

934
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: said he wrote his briefs and his legal memois to

935
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: be so engaging, to try to educate the public at large. Well,

936
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: what could be more engaging than a legal thriller, And

937
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 1: so that's what I said. Now we're gonna write about

938
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: a black superhero lawyer, not like all these white superher lawyers.

939
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: Gotta be watch somebody who killed somebody who we can

940
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: all identify with, somebody who came from the hood and

941
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: came from country towns like this. He got returning sit

942
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: people being in the prison, people who went to community colleges,

943
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: working on the team and they just as smart as

944
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: all the white people.

945
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 2: I want to ask you this, because we're right here

946
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 2: in Georgia. Are you familiar with the Kendrick Johnson King

947
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 2: Very much, man, very familiar with it? Ludicrous?

948
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that man.

949
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 2: Well, my question was, it's like, you know, it's a

950
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: mystery to a lot of people who outside Georgia.

951
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: Can I say this here? And I know y'all know

952
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: Ricky Hughes too, great sister. She's an absolute secutive producer

953
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: a podcast that we're gonna start doing call Unresolved, and

954
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: it's looking at cases like you know, Kendrick, looking at

955
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: cases like Sandra b.

956
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 3: Alabama.

957
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: It's those type of cases where people got killed in

958
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: very highly questionable ways in America, just swepping under the rug,

959
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: and we're saying no, we're going to try to get

960
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,399
Speaker 1: some solution and re examine all these matters. And so

961
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: I know Ricky Hughes is a phenomenal system when it

962
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 1: comes to promoting comedy and stuff. I think we worked

963
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: for eighty five hours Dave Chappelle. But she's also, like

964
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: we said, we got to keep evolving using all our talents.

965
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: She's gonna help us with this legal podcast that helps

966
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: these families be able to examine the truth of what

967
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: really happened.

968
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 2: To let them know where the book is available and

969
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 2: how they can reach.

970
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 3: Out and all of that. I appreciate that. Cam.

971
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's available everywhere. I want to thank the thousands

972
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: of people we've already pre ordered it. I mean, render House,

973
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: the largest publishing company in the world, are blown away

974
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 1: by the sales even before it comes out on February seventeenth, Amazon, Barns,

975
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: and Noble, independent Black bookstores. It's everywhere because you know,

976
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: this is our super he wrote, Lawyer Boli Cooper is

977
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 1: our law. You're gonna be for us, our black ego

978
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: of Jessic this book. It's my first novel. I wrote

979
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: a book called Open Season, the Legalized Genocide of Colored People,

980
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: that looked at all those cases like Tray Vine and

981
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: Mike Brown's case and so forth. But this is a

982
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: fiction that we believe it's going to be turned into

983
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,240
Speaker 1: a movie and so forth. And I think it's gonna

984
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: be one of those things kind of like Pair of

985
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 1: Mason that outlive us.

986
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 3: You know I'm selling you're.

987
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 5: Interested in doing more novels, and yeah, I think you're

988
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 5: gonna We're gonna do more and they're gonna have more

989
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 5: roles for.

990
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 3: Let's let's go uber driving man look situ where you

991
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 3: need to go? Now, Look, it can be any number

992
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 3: of people, but it's.

993
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: Boldly and he got like a great cast. He got

994
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: a Puerto Rican associate lawyer. That's gonna be good for

995
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: a sister out there.

996
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 3: He got his.

997
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 1: Investigators, his partners and everything. You got the person gonna

998
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: play the black police officers. So I could think of

999
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: any number of people. Man, uh don Cheeterah would be great,

1000
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: indest Ebba, you know Herscheli Lee, Marsh Chestnert uh Uh

1001
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: you know Tammahall thought, Michael B. Jordan's it's gonna be

1002
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: just great characters for people of color to play his

1003
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: historic heroic roles.

1004
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 3: Like a black pair of Mason. You have a step

1005
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 3: into that role. Man.

1006
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: It's gonna have movie after movie after movie.

1007
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 3: We got this so much content.

1008
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 5: Because we got it like on the detective side with

1009
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 5: the easy rollers exactly, Yeah, to get it on that

1010
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 5: legal side. Looking forward to her.

1011
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, the only thing the only thing that never mind

1012
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 4: me of begging that you're a lawyer so you would

1013
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 4: know is the closest thing to it. It would be

1014
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 4: that we had a black sheriff, you know, back in

1015
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 4: the day. Lucius Emerson. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. Read

1016
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 4: that would be like more like like around the slavery time.

1017
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 4: But Lucius Emerson, this is like around the nineteen sixties.

1018
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,919
Speaker 4: But one of my friends, my cousins, was the first

1019
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 4: woman charged with voter fraud and named Maggie.

1020
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 3: Bolzman, doctor County, right, yeah, Higgins County.

1021
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 4: Usually don't like to talk about People have to make

1022
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 4: me talk about talk about that.

1023
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 6: But it's important, it's important.

1024
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 3: But is that because Maggie it was the first note.

1025
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 4: She was the first person charged with voter fraud in

1026
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 4: the country, And I don't think everybody knows that without

1027
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 4: that case, right now, that's what made that's what made

1028
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 4: Ronald Reagan pushed forward the Voters Right Act because Maggie

1029
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 4: went to jail for it and she ended up get

1030
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 4: released to the custody of a man named Lucius Emerson.

1031
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 4: Lucius Amberson is the black police share up that end

1032
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 4: up killing other clue cus klansmen.

1033
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 3: Uh huh, literally you know what I'm saying. So we're

1034
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 3: working on a movie about that. Damn right, goddamn.

1035
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: Respect you know, they voting rights under attack. So I

1036
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: think you know, we talk about what they're saying. They're

1037
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: gonna try to have ice people showing up at the

1038
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: post in November, they will directly Yeah, Well, if they

1039
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: got twenty ice people at the post, we got to

1040
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: come up with twenty five hundred black people saying no,

1041
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna vote. That's what we mean by being strategic

1042
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: and fighting united.

1043
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 2: Look, anytime we get somebody high claim stopped through here,

1044
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 2: we gotta get them to sign the table.

1045
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 3: Man, you ain't no exception. I appreciate you. We got

1046
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 3: you a cool spot right here. Right. We ain't got

1047
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 3: to worry about nobody writing over it. We got any

1048
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 3: questions in the room, right, I got the power. Okay,

1049
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 3: how do you how do you measure success?

1050
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 4: I mean, we see the money of the settlements and

1051
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 4: then we got to on your master bills pass. But

1052
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 4: what other ways do you measure success when you do

1053
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 4: win a case for our people?

1054
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: No, I think you hit it right on the nails.

1055
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: The real wind is when it benefits more than just

1056
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: the individual or the individual family.

1057
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 3: When you have us saw your master.

1058
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: You know the George Floyd Justice and Police and Act

1059
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: never was able to get cross the finish line on

1060
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: the federal level because they got so much political gridlock

1061
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: going on that you can't get anything done on the

1062
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: federal level. But do you all know over a hundred

1063
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: cities and states past George Floyd laws saying that you

1064
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: couldn't do the chokehold, you couldn't put the knee restraint anymore.

1065
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: And so those are the victories every time we could

1066
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: slow down them from killing another sister brother. You know,

1067
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: when I do all these banking while black discrimination cases

1068
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: and so forth, where now they have to pay two

1069
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: hundred three hundred million dollars to black people who they

1070
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: denied loans to, denied mortgages too, and now the bank

1071
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: gives more economic opportunities to black businesses. Those are the wins.

1072
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: You know, the case with Herod of lax where you

1073
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: know the yeah yeah, and so you know, these pharmaceutical

1074
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: companies made billions and billions and billions of dollars and

1075
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: her black family didn't get not one red cent until

1076
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 1: we sued in twenty nineteen, and for the first time

1077
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, we were able to get the

1078
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: first pharmaceutical company to pay here of the lacks family

1079
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: or some compensation for her. He'll of sales that have

1080
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: been the cornerstone of every medicine, every you know BAC

1081
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: scene in the last sixty years open. I did that

1082
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: movie in the movie, and now they're doing a documentary

1083
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: on our legal cases because now we're up to the

1084
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: fifth pharmaceutical company having to pay millions of dollars to

1085
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: her family.

1086
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 3: I consider dot a win. That is a win immediately

1087
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 3: she got the eg is that what it is she got?

1088
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 3: If I, if I can't for just a moment, you

1089
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 3: take your turn.

1090
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: Henry of Lax was a victim of medical racism that

1091
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: was just running rapid in America in.

1092
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 3: The nineteen fifties.

1093
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: The Tuskegee, Yes, you had the Tueskegee Syphilis ex spear

1094
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: Miss where they ingested the black men were syphilis and

1095
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: then cured them even though they had a cure, and

1096
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: they let it proliferate and linger for over four decades,

1097
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: where they went and had relations with the women gave

1098
01:02:56,600 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: them syphiless and then their children were born with syphiless.

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Speaker 1: And the government, not the people just in Alabama, the

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01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: US government, they always try to say it's the South.

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01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: Now America itself was racist to the car when they

1102
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,959
Speaker 1: just let it happen. Wanted to say, well, what would

1103
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 1: happen to the human body if the siphilis was never treated?

1104
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: People went blind, people lost, you know, raised, people died,

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01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: and they just watched.

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01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 2: And then you had the mississick and then you had.

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01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: The Mississippi appadectomy, and your homes exactly where the women

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01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 1: would go in for a routine, take her and they

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01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 1: would sterilize them, you know, make them where they can't

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01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: have children. The most famous band the Sipper race activist

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01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 1: Fanny Lou Haimer.

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01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 3: They said, I'm sick and tired of being sick and die.

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01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: I mean, at twenty three years old, they gave her

1114
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 1: the appidectomy where she can't have children. But because she

1115
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: was educating, resourceful, she went and was the first one

1116
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: to blow the whistle that they were doing this to

1117
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: black women, not only Mississippi, but in Alabama, Georgia Tennis.

1118
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 1: I mean, they was trying to keep it from having

1119
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: people like us baby kids being.

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Speaker 3: Able to recreate.

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01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: And then you had the black soldiers with the gas mask.

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01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 1: They would give them faulty gas masks, put them in

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01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: the gas chambers, and watch their skin bubble, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean just eyes.

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01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: And then in Baltimore, Maryland, man JOHNS Hopkins Hospital, the

1126
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: number one medical research institute in America at the time,

1127
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: was trying to find out if the human cell could

1128
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 1: survive outside the human body.

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Speaker 3: God. And we don't know how many.

1130
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 1: Black people they killed before they got the herod of lax.

1131
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: When we were doing the research for the case, man,

1132
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: you had old black people who said that our parents

1133
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: told us when we were children, don't get caught at

1134
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: night John Hopskin's Hospital, because they'll snatch up and cut

1135
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: on you.

1136
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 3: They're expeariment on it.

1137
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: They were the original body snatches, snatching up our people.

1138
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: And so when they came to Herod. The lexis thirty

1139
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: one year old, beautiful wife and mother. She had five

1140
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: children and she had the early stages of cervical cancer.

1141
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 1: They never treated her, even though it was very treatable.

1142
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: She went there and they put radiation rids in her

1143
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: female organs. Now y'all understand chemotherapy, man, They give.

1144
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 3: You chemo therapy when you know your body.

1145
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: Because and they do that trying to reduce the tumor

1146
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 1: to the smallest amount.

1147
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 3: So when they have to use radiation.

1148
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: They can use the least amount possible because radiation is

1149
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 1: so hardful to the potentially fatal tod and so they

1150
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 1: didn't care about that were black people. They put radiation

1151
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: rides in her female organs, spread it open, they went

1152
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 1: a cut a piece of the cancer celle, cut a

1153
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: piece of her health to sell, and.

1154
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 3: Then sent her home the next day.

1155
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: And it's sad man because she lived eight more months

1156
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: and her family talking about how she would scream out

1157
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: and pain an agony in the middle of the night

1158
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 1: from the effects of the radiation. And it's almost biblical,

1159
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: y'all because what she had sacrifice to give the world

1160
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 1: this incredible gift, because she became the first person in

1161
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 1: the course of human history whose sales were not only

1162
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: able to survive outside of the human body, but they

1163
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 1: would regenerate every twenty four hours. And so you had

1164
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: a situation literally where it's her healer cells. Scientists could

1165
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: come and experiment on the healer sales. Now I have

1166
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: the experiment on the human body. And that's how they

1167
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: would figure out the vaccines for h PV and dealing

1168
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 1: with COVID, and dealing with ays, and I mean all.

1169
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 3: These came from her genetic materials.

1170
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 1: And so when we were in the courtroom, argon that

1171
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical companies had the audasketed to say, mister Crump must

1172
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 1: be crazy to think that he can bring a sixty

1173
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: year old case. I mean, how do And then we

1174
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: objected and they said, no, no, we can't disparage any

1175
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 1: person in the courtroom.

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01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 3: Mister Crumper's officer of the court. We're not gonna call

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01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 3: him crazy.

1178
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: But the judge said, federal judge, well, mister Crump, how

1179
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 1: do you plan on getting around the statue of limitations?

1180
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: Because statue of limitations and mostly every state is two three,

1181
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 1: four years. If you don't bring the lawsuit, then you're

1182
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 1: forever barred. And you remember hearing of lax They did

1183
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 1: this budget her in nineteen fifty one, and here we

1184
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 1: are in twenty twenty bringing this lawsuit with her family.

1185
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 1: And it was you had all the rich white pharmaceutical

1186
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 1: companies on one side of all these black Baltimore is

1187
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 1: and if y'all been to Baltimore, we was on the

1188
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: other side of the courtroom and they said, well, attorney Crump,

1189
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 1: do you have a response how you plan to get

1190
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: around the statue of limitations, And I said, well, your Honor,

1191
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:20,520
Speaker 1: I absolutely do you know all morning in this courtroom

1192
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: we've talked about here where the lacks being unprecedented, there's

1193
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: never been anybody like her. I mean, she is a miracle.

1194
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's a medical mystery how her sales continue

1195
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 1: to regenerate every day literally, And so I get it

1196
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 1: if from nineteen fifty one to twoenty eighteen her family

1197
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: is not entitled to a percentage of any of those

1198
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: profits because it's outside the statute of limitations. But your Honor,

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01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: just as I have articulated this morning, and our experts

1200
01:08:58,000 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 1: have articulated that.

1201
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 3: Hear, we are the.

1202
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 1: Lack sales regenerate every twenty four hours. So those sales

1203
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: that regenerated yesterday, we said, we got a percentage all

1204
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 1: those profits and the prophets going far, Yeah, and we

1205
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 1: want them.

1206
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 5: Crum is a smart hey man, I like, if she

1207
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 5: the only person with regenerating sales, you talk about statute

1208
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 5: of limitations, Hey, yeah, that's the sale time. Yeah, ye say,

1209
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 5: we got a new statue of the medic start over.

1210
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 1: And so that's that's what we're doing. And they're making

1211
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: a documentary about that because remember even in the book

1212
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: that they wrote that open based the movie on. They

1213
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: said in the book her family would never recover, and

1214
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 1: that underscores and it's a good way to end it.

1215
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 1: That underscores why we need black lawyers like Polk coopering Crump.

1216
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 3: Extorting their things that they say, we think like you did,

1217
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:01,560
Speaker 3: turning big trouble.

1218
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 5: And close the arguments on the fire on the fly.

1219
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 2: Comes through here, but you more than welcome to step

1220
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 2: through any time.

1221
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 3: Man five second being crumped, were out of here.

1222
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: Bigs my cash