WEBVTT - Episode 11 - Recording El Chapo 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:04.200 At the time, there's a war going on. It just started. 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:08.200 They're making everybody pick aside yes, me and or brother 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:12.000 card in the middle between two. At that time, we're 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:17.320 the biggest drug card tells in the world, the most powerful, 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:21.119 the most dead. At least, card tells. It's not somebody 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:22.759 telling you like you're in a game. It's the boss 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:27.400 telling you, Hey, if I find out that you're receiving 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:33.159 it one kid from you're gonna have to answer. Then 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:35.200 not only that, he's they're going to say, and all 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:37.159 your little friends that you had that we know you have. 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:40.360 I want some ticket cruds. Some of these people are 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:42.760 my friends. Some of the people I'm like, I'm closer 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:49.440 and you have that. On top of me cooperating the 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:53.920 pressure of that or were going on, we're still selling drugs. Mean, 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:57.000 we're still playing cops and robbers every day. The government 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:00.240 had a hard time understand. If I tell them don't 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:02.319 sell the more drugs to me, they're gonna think these 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:06.240 duds picked to the other side. It's a ward. They 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:08.880 don't play fair. If we sent our wives away, we 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:10.680 sent our family away, and then they come into like, 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:15.560 well where is the feminine? Something wrong? We put them 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:19.880 in that situation. At the same time, it's like both 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:25.679 our wives are pregnant while we've been cooperating. The face 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:28.399 with the strangest expect the strangest things to happen is 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:33.440 right here are children a month apart. Who does that? 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:36.520 Who puts their family their kids? Ever we meet the 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.200 mistake of them knowing that we're family man, knowing that 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:42.240 we're always with our wives. You guys imagined like that, 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:45.280 what am I doing carrying that with you? That what 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:50.960 you're doing your betraying everyone, you everything, everything that you 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.040 ever know and everything that you work for, everything, all 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:56.000 the people around you, your whole life. We're keeping stuff 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:59.400 from my own family, our wives, us for we're the 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:03.200 only people that knew what we were doing. We don't 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:06.840 try anyone because Christia trustworthy. Second, because if we told 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:08.960 those people we like, we were scared that they were 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:11.600 going to try to change your mind because it didn't 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:30.720 benefit anyone. But I've got this for the st Jackson 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:33.920 and I'm Charlie Webster. And then this is surviving no chapel. 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:47.320 It's once you brought down the drug woman, getting out 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:50.359 of the cartel and changing your life is not as 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:54.519 simple as just walking away. Every path had the potential 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.480 to take away the twins life one way or another. 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:02.880 Agent family have a way of bringing your priorities into perspective. 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:07.440 Breaking the cycle of their family history, stopping themselves from 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:10.000 repeating what their father did to them was going to 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:14.480 be a monumental task. It all goes back to film 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:17.239 because that bond that keeps you going, you want to 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.960 be better for the people you love. It feard a 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:23.680 better life for them, no matter what it takes. Ultimately, 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:25.919 that was what pushed the brothers to do what they 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:32.359 had to do. Going to meet the FED, We're in 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:36.080 a hotel and of course we discuss what I was 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:40.520 interested in getting the best deal possible, and they were 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.200 looking at me like I was crazy. I do remember 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:46.360 like my brother call him, I want to know details, 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:49.680 and I remember him saying, Bro, they don't know what 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:54.880 the fuck they're doing. They're loves and just loves. I 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.720 don't know if this is a good idea. That didn't 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:05.280 make us froger. We were in another country with no 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:09.360 protection whatsoever, and it was just a very scary feeling, 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:13.880 I think for all of us because we didn't realize 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.520 that the US didn't have any jurisdiction in Mexico and 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:22.320 that they would basically be on their own and they 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:27.320 would basically have to do everything as if the US 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:29.560 wasn't involved. And I think that's what was more of 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:36.279 the scary part. Knowing how innovative that the Seno Cartel 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:41.000 was was very frightening, just because you know, they had 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:44.480 people that they would hire, like I t people that 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:48.440 would drive around and they would pick up phone conversations 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:52.640 from the airwaves to make sure that nobody was telling 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:59.880 cooperation is like that equals death. You're in great thanks 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:04.240 and there's no guarantee, and I just was, I think 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:09.760 scared for our lives. It was like so surreal. I 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.479 knew there was no turning back, and that to me 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:20.920 was scary in itself. When Jay and Peter were meeting 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:26.880 with agents, but that didn't sit well with me because 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:34.000 I felt like somebody was going to find out and 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:35.760 we're kind of going back and forth, kind of just 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:40.400 sharing information. I remember we met when am I said, listen, 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:44.520 couple and my call. You want me to go see them? 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:47.560 You guys want to come. One of them had all tattoo, 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:50.080 looked like a biker and at that time there's like 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:54.640 Canadians there, so like, man, you look like they don't 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:57.600 even think you're agent. You could come with me. I'm 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:02.800 gonna say that you're my you're my Canadian customer. And 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:08.200 they're like absolutely not, that would never happen. I guess 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:10.120 they didn't trust me, like I was not ever going 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:14.000 to try to put on your harm's way. I mean 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.560 I was getting that bold. I guess getting frustrated. So 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:21.280 we'll meet with them and just give information. We had 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:23.600 give him a couple of loads and just talked to 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:30.280 him about the business. It was just stressful, really really stressful, 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:38.000 and it was very very stressful. I remember like at 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:40.159 the time when I'm talking to agents and we were 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:42.919 like a little deeper into our cooperation and they're like 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:45.560 I'm gonna give your number to this agent and I 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:48.039 do not give my number to no one. I don't 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:51.960 want to know one to know him doing this. And sadly, 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.000 like there was a cooperator who didn't make it. We 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.720 come to find out that there was a Columbian man 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:03.360 that was cooperating with the and they had found out 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:08.040 about it against shop against our against Yeah, they had 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:09.640 a lot of people on the payer of a lot 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:14.800 of higher ups in the government and had a lot 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:20.280 of higher rooms the government and the Mexican Mexican government 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:24.840 had these individuals are working together on special teams with 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:29.360 with the U. S. Government. Their feedum information there in 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:33.560 turn feeding information to the cartel. And this is at 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:40.240 the very top. Sure at that time we're working on 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:45.160 the deal and cocaine it's a little bit hard to get. 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:48.400 And then he's on the run. They have one bad 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.080 on the run at the time our trans they're kicking 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.520 out every door everywhere he stays. They're like, I don't know, 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:59.560 you know, like they're hat on his tail. And I 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.320 remember the cause and say, look, I got five tons coming. 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:07.560 Who called you? And the people like, I got five tons? 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:10.080 You tell me how much you want to buy all 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:13.000 these And we're like, well, let me see how much 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.880 money we can get together. So we end up purchasing 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:23.000 like a thousand forty kiddos. I record those cars and 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:26.320 the load got through and I purchased a thousand kil 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:28.880 loads of that. Well, I turned that over to the 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:32.040 FEDS and we are not supposed to purchase it from Beltrand. 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:36.400 Now I'm playing both sides at this. I have to Yeah, 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:38.520 I took that risk because in order to for me, 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:42.920 not only to complete my cooperation, I had to keep 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:48.360 myself alive. It was I said, oh my god, it's 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:51.160 just a nightmare. There's a nightmare. I'll be thinking like 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:56.640 I'm the FEDS travel my r thurs done. Like you're 0:08:56.679 --> 0:09:01.120 trying to just satisfy everyone and risking at all every day. 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:07.199 I can't even tell you in words what it was like. 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:12.640 At the same time, I have my baby coming. He 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:20.120 was a zombie for sure. I couldn't eat, really wasn't present, 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:24.440 trying to juggle so many things. And at the same 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:29.200 time my brother brought the idea. He brought the idea 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:33.360 to the table. Then he would disappear on me. I'd 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:36.480 be so piste off at him, man, like, bro, like 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:42.120 you gotta help me. What do you mean you did? 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.880 Like I hate to see it like that. That's when 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.920 I feel like I was saying that he didn't like 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:55.240 the idea of like recording the people. Once that hit home, 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:59.720 it was like, it wasn't the part you wanted to entertain. 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:08.040 It's just so ugly of a time. I worked so hard, man, 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:14.040 just to to do everything I could help the government order, 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.160 you know, and turn to help ourselves in the future. 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.000 I used to feel sometimes the government didn't do I 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:22.520 couldn't have job to put the case together, you know, 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:26.560 if we're out there on our own, no help, like 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:34.720 no guaranteed. There was like no Remember the twelve I 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:39.400 remember it being a nice, chilly November day in Mexico. 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:45.840 We had all the people with us. I don't remember. 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.200 I've been expecting to call from the chapel form like 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:51.520 a day or two, and I had his phone in 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:56.360 my pocket. I remember it was a white phone and 0:10:56.440 --> 0:11:00.439 I had the recording out of the pocket. At that time. 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:05.240 I was carrying the recorder around. We're going to eat 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:08.720 and wearing a cowboy with the trucks me the like 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:13.640 followers are going up take and the Mexican government sending 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:17.560 up the police present and an a normal day. You know, 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:19.880 you're send to look out. Tell you how it looks 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.240 on this day. It was just like Sunday or something. 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.240 We're gonna go, you know, we're gonna have a dimeing 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:32.439 meal and we're passing up like we're getting to like 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:35.520 a popular place and Gualahara, you know, they call that 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:40.120 that glory to me, and I see that day that 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:43.520 they have a military checkpoint, like a whole cop checkpoint 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:47.480 with the minitary and I'm with the Cowboy and I 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:51.040 had to record in my pocket, and I'm like like, 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:52.760 that's all I need for them to pull me over 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:57.880 and I have to record in my pocket. Don't just 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.640 stop anywhere and put a checkpoint and they'll just stop 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:04.880 pulling cars over. I remember they see me and they're 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:09.719 like they start telling to pull over, and I kind 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:12.320 of like pulled to the side. I'm like, I'm panic. 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:15.280 I'm like a little panning moll. I kind of pulled aside, 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.560 but there's like a a long line of the cars 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:20.199 that already have pulled over. I kind of pulled off 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:22.480 to the side and I just I just took off 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.560 and they didn't come. Thank you God. I was like, 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:31.880 thank you God, they didn't come. If it have found 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:33.319 the record, is what do you think about it? Have 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:38.440 happened three cords of the work for the cartel? They 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:41.400 either one they worked like I tell the other they 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:43.719 actually really good cops and they're turning me in, like 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.240 why do you have recorded? You know? I had to 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.320 keep in the car, like it was just oh my 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:55.400 little moments where just one after another. Not too long 0:12:55.480 --> 0:13:00.040 after that, I make another recording. I turned in a 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:05.160 load of heroin the Government's allowed me to pay for 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:09.320 these loads with our own cats. I give the government 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.600 the money and the process of money and then turn 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:17.600 it into the cartel, and they're documented. They're gonna document 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:21.280 all this, so my workers don't know that I'm cooperative. 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.120 So I tell them. I'm on the phone to Age 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:27.000 and saying, look, we're gonna handle all the money at 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:31.520 this place at this time. And then you're like, okay, 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.520 let me see if I get my team there. Okay, 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:37.000 we got a team there. So they're just document that 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:43.040 they're seeing this exchange of money. Would scare me is 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:46.040 that when I would send my career that he never 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:51.160 noticed that the federal there. And that made me feel 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:57.079 like how vulnerable this operation can be. He doesn't realize 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:00.880 that the father watch him. I know they're watching them. 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.120 You know. They turned over the money to the car 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:10.120 tells carrier turning the money. Seven minutes later, my phone rings. 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:17.120 It's Chapel Miles like Compoli, like their head of security. 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:21.760 He's like, listen, there's something fucking funny, man. You guys 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:27.000 rats the guys calling me seeing that. You know there's 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.560 a car following that. The cops are following it, They're 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:33.880 on him. I was like, like, what the fund are 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:37.440 you talking about? And I'm calling my working on the 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:41.200 radio and I'm letting him here. I'm like, hey, did 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:44.240 you see a car? Did you give the money money? 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:46.520 And he's like, give him money left? Did you see 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:49.160 anyone following? Yeah? I seen him on the street. I 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:52.560 went my way. He one head that makes anyone following you. 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:57.760 I know that they're following him. I'm like, I don't 0:14:57.760 --> 0:14:59.920 know why you're saying there, like there's something funny here, man, 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:06.840 I said, let me call you back. I'll never forget that. Then, 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.040 sure enough, I think on this drop off, the DA 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.320 has a helicopter, has a couple of cards. They're following 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:16.600 the car back with the money. You usually ever recorded 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:18.560 that a call like that, and I couldn't because he 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:20.960 caught me off guard. And I picked up the phone 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:28.920 and was like, hey, listen, motherfucker, they're fucking follow my guy. Now, 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:35.720 you're fucking snitch or what the fuck swallowed? I was like, 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:41.080 we're fucking talking to you like that. You asked me 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:46.480 to do you the favorite now I'm the snitch. I 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.080 said that I'm gonna talk to my dad about this, 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:51.480 like oh no, no, no, no, just let me just 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:56.200 see man, maybe it's not you get off the phone love, 0:15:56.280 --> 0:16:01.240 Like whoa ship. I'm passed by that time, Like our 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:04.280 relationship with the agents already have kind of like like 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:07.040 kind of you know, you're talking to something, we'll talk 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:11.120 about life, like you know we're talking about the case 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.480 or you know, with different agents. Hey, you remember this 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:16.240 time and how do you guys do this like or 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:18.680 whatever cases? And I remember calling back and said what 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:23.840 the I'm like literally probably even got emotional, like my 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:25.960 family is here like a bucket, putting my life in 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:29.320 danger over twenty fucking kids. Whatever the funk? I was 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:34.960 just like fun funck who knows, just screaming call it off, 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:38.880 call it off, call it off. And I'm like shock, 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:42.280 like what's happening? Like listening mostly like begging them in 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:47.280 the like worst way. What did they say? Myself? Like 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.760 hold on them like gays, let me see them and 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:53.680 find out. I did feel a betrayed by then, like 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:57.840 there's no reason why you're gonna have to put my 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:00.480 life and you don't have to do it. Need damn 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:06.199 things like I'm right here, I'm helping you guys. And 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:08.640 then I remember calling it chap On's head of security 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:10.959 back and the look, I don't know what to tell you. 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:13.560 My guy is good. I'm gonna tell him to keep 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:17.919 take a couple of spins and see what happens, you know. 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:21.000 And then he was like, look, man, there's something funny. 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:24.760 All right. You're like, I'm gonna tell you something, right 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.840 not that money ain't gonna be coming until it gets 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:34.040 in my hats, so you're responsible for it. And then 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.119 I remember a couple of days later, I just follow up, 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:37.920 but I'm like, hey, so did you get the money? 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:41.359 Everything good? He's like, yeah, everything was good, man, but 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:48.399 like weird, like and ten moments were driving me crazy? 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:53.359 How could you sleep good at night? How did you 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:58.760 you couldn't? I think I lost. I had lost Peter 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:05.399 already when he started his cooperation. Was there ever a 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:09.800 time joining that seven or eight months that you thought 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:15.000 they'd sist you the carteler's sist you, sis? It was 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:21.040 nerve wracking. Once I was cooperative. I remember this one 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:24.280 time like it was in October September. October they said 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:26.440 they wanted both of us to go, and he would 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:30.600 call them like at the time, they'll be like senanay, 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.560 so they want to see you, and I understand there 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:36.520 was a chapel my, we're asking to see us. I 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:39.439 was like, we both can't go, you know, explain to 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:47.800 the lieutenant and he let me call you back. Okay, 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:49.560 why don't you guys to come, But you gotta tell 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:52.800 me one thing. You're gonna be here and you better 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:56.440 be here. I was like, let me check some flights 0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:59.159 and I'm talking to my brothers like broh man, I 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:03.600 don't know. I don't know what to do that they 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:06.480 can't say anyone to see us. And I was like, look, 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:13.440 let me ask them for some cocaine. If they give 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:19.080 it to us, then we're good. If they say no, 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:30.200 then sounds the draw. But you do not think then 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:34.119 they could be tricking you. Yeah, but they don't want 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:39.600 to trick you and give you some kids. So if 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:41.480 they gave you coke, it was a way to know 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:44.399 that they hadn't figured you out. Yeah, because then now 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:46.440 the wouldn't blame Now, come see me and then we'll talk. 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:49.680 They would have been like, Okay, we'll be there probably 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:55.879 and be like we gotta go. You know, I remember 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:58.000 asking them for the cokae. I'm like, I asked them 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:00.640 for like a larger mind, like hey, let me see 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:04.520 what I have. And he tells me like, yeah, we 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:06.560 have three engine eating What if I give me the 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:08.960 rest of a couple of days. I was like, okay, great, 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:10.520 when can I pick him up? Well, you can pick 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:14.240 him up tomorrow, you on today, And I felt okay. 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:17.080 I felt that tends like we'll see what he says 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:19.080 and then you know at that time, you know I'm 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:20.960 talking that he's texting me some stuff and I'm like 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:26.800 a brother, then you could go. But it was still nervous, 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:33.879 like sending my brother, you know, J went. He was 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:37.639 there and everybody was there during that meeting. There was 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:40.919 a lot of main cretoil. You know. My brother was 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:45.400 snapping pictures. I can't believe, like, bro, like why would 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:48.440 you do that? Why would you risk it? I think 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:50.399 it's not coming. They will let you keep your phone. 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:53.840 So that was like a major like normal, like why 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:59.480 would you do that? Sometimes I would record stuff on 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:04.720 my phone, take like pictures. I remember one time I 0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:08.679 took so many good pictures that something happened where I 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:12.439 got nervous, and I started to raising the pictures like 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:14.560 I don't want to be like, why are you taking pictures? 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:18.280 My wife is right here. I think we talked about 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:22.359 it and sometimes should be like how did you do that? 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.000 This one time where they had a table and they 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:28.520 have all kinds of stuff on top of the table, 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:33.040 bades and stuff, and I said, we're like, I'll come 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:35.880 some nervous here. I'm like, I'm most definite meat. I'm 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:39.720 gonna use your phone. I gotta call you chicken, you know, 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:44.000 had chicken with my wife. Didn't laugh about that, and 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:50.040 I grabbed the phone, satellite phones and now now I 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:52.119 would buy a brand new phones so I could actually 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:55.359 I'll buy a brand new phone that I had with me, 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:57.720 you know, to be able to talk to Peter to 0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:00.919 like that. So I moved by branch Pools just for 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:07.840 those visits. I have their phone number. You know, I 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:11.639 have no service on my phone, so I had lass phone. 0:22:13.320 --> 0:22:16.480 I call the number on the satellite phone. Ever, ring 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:19.639 I'll hang up was not working. I'll go the next phone, 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:25.240 hang up. I try to get all the phones there. 0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:28.000 I wouldn't be like if I see you don't have 0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:29.600 the foes that I don't know if not going through 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:33.040 them to see your phone. Now I have all their 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:39.760 phone numbers. That was nerve wracking because he's there using 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:44.239 every phone they I always did it though, so it 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:47.919 wasn't like something you're not scared they'd be suspicious. I 0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:51.680 always did it, and I was calling my wife's phone. 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:53.760 It's like I was calling the agent. But I was 0:22:53.800 --> 0:22:57.480 just registering all the numbers so I could give it 0:22:57.520 --> 0:23:16.240 to the government. M h. People will travel my art through. 0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:18.200 But I don't care who you are. They're just regular men, 0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:24.560 selfish people. They're not you know, they're not gods. They're now. 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:27.800 They're regularly corrupt as people. They want to care about themselves. 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:31.840 They will bend and break every rule and betray you 0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:37.920 and kill you and not care about you. Honest. It 0:23:38.000 --> 0:23:42.400 was funny. They would do anything to say their old family, cooperate, 0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:46.119 sell out their main best friend, to say their own family, 0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:48.240 and then they want to kill you because you do 0:23:48.359 --> 0:23:54.320 the same for years. You cann't eat, I cann't sleep. 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:59.879 So many things to think about and I live with 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:04.359 every month every day to try that like that called 0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:08.199 my only Escapables, just a couple of moments of my 0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:11.119 wife that could get and then bring me reminded of 0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:18.119 what I'm gonna do. It was just so dreadful to 0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:24.600 just wake up, so scary to go to sleep, and 0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:28.080 then you know the people who depending on I was 0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:30.800 going to turn my back on them. Everything we work 0:24:30.880 --> 0:24:35.840 so hard to build. Now you're building a big old 0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:38.199 prison around yourself and then you have to knock it 0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:45.240 down so hard to loan to another prison. I wasn't 0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:48.000 patting sorry for myself. I was just mad at myself, 0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:50.480 like this is what I did. At the same time, 0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:54.080 I felt like some kind of like Okay, what I 0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:56.320 could do. I did. I had to tell my family 0:24:56.359 --> 0:25:00.280 out to everything I could do to put myself inca wish. 0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:03.399 I did it every day I could have done. For 0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:05.920 the government, I went above and beyond. There's nothing more 0:25:06.000 --> 0:25:10.399 that I could at that point. I gave them millions 0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:13.639 of dollars. I turn the people turn, enjoying and turning everything. 0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:16.119 I did everything in my power. I went above and 0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:20.040 beyond help build this case. From practically along my brother 0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:24.879 and I were alone. It took word to me we 0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:28.520 were to sacrifice, and took kind's bless instance just be 0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:32.960 here to take. I just still think it was the 0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:38.720 right decisions. Be honest. Now you talked to me on Monday, 0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:41.080 I tell you yes to them, I tak You know, 0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:45.000 nine months of recording deals with the lieutenants of the 0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:48.560 cartel certainly help the FEDS put together their case. But 0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:51.960 there was one major piece of evidence. They needed a 0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:56.960 call with Chapeau himself. It's something that until now have 0:25:57.080 --> 0:26:07.960 been impossible for anybody to get. I remember I missed 0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:10.119 the first call. I missed the call and call me. 0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:12.359 I remember I was standing there, like not even my 0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:16.800 brother standing there. I dropped my bag and I ran 0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:21.399 back to the house. The girls are there and the 0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:25.040 senior I'm turning out, like bollow me up stair because 0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:26.560 it was like the people in the house of the time, 0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:29.040 you know, just running away, like just trying to get 0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:35.400 away to get a quiet space. I was so nervous, 0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:37.960 and not of course to me to recording, but of 0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:41.760 what was to come, What did this mean for my life? 0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:45.879 Like it was an ugly feeling, you know, like getting 0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:47.960 the recorder out and the only thing the fence that 0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:51.399 giving me like earpiece with a microphone, and you know 0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:55.479 when you put the phone to your ear you can 0:26:55.600 --> 0:26:59.600 hear and then they can record. I remember putting it 0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:02.359 to my and like the secretary answered, I'm like, oh, 0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:14.560