1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: At the time, there's a war going on. It just started. 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: They're making everybody pick aside yes, me and or brother 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: card in the middle between two. At that time, we're 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: the biggest drug card tells in the world, the most powerful, 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: the most dead. At least, card tells. It's not somebody 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: telling you like you're in a game. It's the boss 7 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: telling you, Hey, if I find out that you're receiving 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: it one kid from you're gonna have to answer. Then 9 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: not only that, he's they're going to say, and all 10 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: your little friends that you had that we know you have. 11 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: I want some ticket cruds. Some of these people are 12 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: my friends. Some of the people I'm like, I'm closer 13 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: and you have that. On top of me cooperating the 14 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: pressure of that or were going on, we're still selling drugs. Mean, 15 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: we're still playing cops and robbers every day. The government 16 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: had a hard time understand. If I tell them don't 17 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,319 Speaker 1: sell the more drugs to me, they're gonna think these 18 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: duds picked to the other side. It's a ward. They 19 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: don't play fair. If we sent our wives away, we 20 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: sent our family away, and then they come into like, 21 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: well where is the feminine? Something wrong? We put them 22 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: in that situation. At the same time, it's like both 23 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: our wives are pregnant while we've been cooperating. The face 24 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: with the strangest expect the strangest things to happen is 25 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: right here are children a month apart. Who does that? 26 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: Who puts their family their kids? Ever we meet the 27 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: mistake of them knowing that we're family man, knowing that 28 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: we're always with our wives. You guys imagined like that, 29 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: what am I doing carrying that with you? That what 30 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: you're doing your betraying everyone, you everything, everything that you 31 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: ever know and everything that you work for, everything, all 32 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: the people around you, your whole life. We're keeping stuff 33 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: from my own family, our wives, us for we're the 34 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: only people that knew what we were doing. We don't 35 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: try anyone because Christia trustworthy. Second, because if we told 36 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: those people we like, we were scared that they were 37 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: going to try to change your mind because it didn't 38 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: benefit anyone. But I've got this for the st Jackson 39 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: and I'm Charlie Webster. And then this is surviving no chapel. 40 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: It's once you brought down the drug woman, getting out 41 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: of the cartel and changing your life is not as 42 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: simple as just walking away. Every path had the potential 43 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: to take away the twins life one way or another. 44 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: Agent family have a way of bringing your priorities into perspective. 45 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: Breaking the cycle of their family history, stopping themselves from 46 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: repeating what their father did to them was going to 47 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: be a monumental task. It all goes back to film 48 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: because that bond that keeps you going, you want to 49 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: be better for the people you love. It feard a 50 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: better life for them, no matter what it takes. Ultimately, 51 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: that was what pushed the brothers to do what they 52 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: had to do. Going to meet the FED, We're in 53 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: a hotel and of course we discuss what I was 54 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: interested in getting the best deal possible, and they were 55 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: looking at me like I was crazy. I do remember 56 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: like my brother call him, I want to know details, 57 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: and I remember him saying, Bro, they don't know what 58 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: the fuck they're doing. They're loves and just loves. I 59 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: don't know if this is a good idea. That didn't 60 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: make us froger. We were in another country with no 61 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: protection whatsoever, and it was just a very scary feeling, 62 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: I think for all of us because we didn't realize 63 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: that the US didn't have any jurisdiction in Mexico and 64 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: that they would basically be on their own and they 65 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: would basically have to do everything as if the US 66 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: wasn't involved. And I think that's what was more of 67 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: the scary part. Knowing how innovative that the Seno Cartel 68 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: was was very frightening, just because you know, they had 69 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: people that they would hire, like I t people that 70 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: would drive around and they would pick up phone conversations 71 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: from the airwaves to make sure that nobody was telling 72 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: cooperation is like that equals death. You're in great thanks 73 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: and there's no guarantee, and I just was, I think 74 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: scared for our lives. It was like so surreal. I 75 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: knew there was no turning back, and that to me 76 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: was scary in itself. When Jay and Peter were meeting 77 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: with agents, but that didn't sit well with me because 78 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: I felt like somebody was going to find out and 79 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: we're kind of going back and forth, kind of just 80 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: sharing information. I remember we met when am I said, listen, 81 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: couple and my call. You want me to go see them? 82 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: You guys want to come. One of them had all tattoo, 83 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: looked like a biker and at that time there's like 84 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: Canadians there, so like, man, you look like they don't 85 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: even think you're agent. You could come with me. I'm 86 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: gonna say that you're my you're my Canadian customer. And 87 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: they're like absolutely not, that would never happen. I guess 88 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: they didn't trust me, like I was not ever going 89 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: to try to put on your harm's way. I mean 90 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: I was getting that bold. I guess getting frustrated. So 91 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: we'll meet with them and just give information. We had 92 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: give him a couple of loads and just talked to 93 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: him about the business. It was just stressful, really really stressful, 94 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: and it was very very stressful. I remember like at 95 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: the time when I'm talking to agents and we were 96 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 1: like a little deeper into our cooperation and they're like 97 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give your number to this agent and I 98 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: do not give my number to no one. I don't 99 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: want to know one to know him doing this. And sadly, 100 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: like there was a cooperator who didn't make it. We 101 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: come to find out that there was a Columbian man 102 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: that was cooperating with the and they had found out 103 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: about it against shop against our against Yeah, they had 104 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: a lot of people on the payer of a lot 105 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: of higher ups in the government and had a lot 106 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: of higher rooms the government and the Mexican Mexican government 107 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: had these individuals are working together on special teams with 108 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: with the U. S. Government. Their feedum information there in 109 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: turn feeding information to the cartel. And this is at 110 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: the very top. Sure at that time we're working on 111 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: the deal and cocaine it's a little bit hard to get. 112 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: And then he's on the run. They have one bad 113 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: on the run at the time our trans they're kicking 114 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: out every door everywhere he stays. They're like, I don't know, 115 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: you know, like they're hat on his tail. And I 116 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: remember the cause and say, look, I got five tons coming. 117 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: Who called you? And the people like, I got five tons? 118 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: You tell me how much you want to buy all 119 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: these And we're like, well, let me see how much 120 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: money we can get together. So we end up purchasing 121 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: like a thousand forty kiddos. I record those cars and 122 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: the load got through and I purchased a thousand kil 123 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: loads of that. Well, I turned that over to the 124 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: FEDS and we are not supposed to purchase it from Beltrand. 125 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: Now I'm playing both sides at this. I have to Yeah, 126 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: I took that risk because in order to for me, 127 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: not only to complete my cooperation, I had to keep 128 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: myself alive. It was I said, oh my god, it's 129 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: just a nightmare. There's a nightmare. I'll be thinking like 130 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: I'm the FEDS travel my r thurs done. Like you're 131 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: trying to just satisfy everyone and risking at all every day. 132 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 1: I can't even tell you in words what it was like. 133 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: At the same time, I have my baby coming. He 134 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: was a zombie for sure. I couldn't eat, really wasn't present, 135 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: trying to juggle so many things. And at the same 136 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: time my brother brought the idea. He brought the idea 137 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: to the table. Then he would disappear on me. I'd 138 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: be so piste off at him, man, like, bro, like 139 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: you gotta help me. What do you mean you did? 140 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: Like I hate to see it like that. That's when 141 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: I feel like I was saying that he didn't like 142 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: the idea of like recording the people. Once that hit home, 143 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: it was like, it wasn't the part you wanted to entertain. 144 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: It's just so ugly of a time. I worked so hard, man, 145 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: just to to do everything I could help the government order, 146 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: you know, and turn to help ourselves in the future. 147 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: I used to feel sometimes the government didn't do I 148 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: couldn't have job to put the case together, you know, 149 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: if we're out there on our own, no help, like 150 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: no guaranteed. There was like no Remember the twelve I 151 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: remember it being a nice, chilly November day in Mexico. 152 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: We had all the people with us. I don't remember. 153 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: I've been expecting to call from the chapel form like 154 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: a day or two, and I had his phone in 155 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: my pocket. I remember it was a white phone and 156 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 1: I had the recording out of the pocket. At that time. 157 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: I was carrying the recorder around. We're going to eat 158 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: and wearing a cowboy with the trucks me the like 159 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: followers are going up take and the Mexican government sending 160 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: up the police present and an a normal day. You know, 161 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: you're send to look out. Tell you how it looks 162 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: on this day. It was just like Sunday or something. 163 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: We're gonna go, you know, we're gonna have a dimeing 164 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: meal and we're passing up like we're getting to like 165 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: a popular place and Gualahara, you know, they call that 166 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: that glory to me, and I see that day that 167 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: they have a military checkpoint, like a whole cop checkpoint 168 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: with the minitary and I'm with the Cowboy and I 169 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: had to record in my pocket, and I'm like like, 170 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: that's all I need for them to pull me over 171 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: and I have to record in my pocket. Don't just 172 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: stop anywhere and put a checkpoint and they'll just stop 173 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: pulling cars over. I remember they see me and they're 174 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 1: like they start telling to pull over, and I kind 175 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: of like pulled to the side. I'm like, I'm panic. 176 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: I'm like a little panning moll. I kind of pulled aside, 177 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: but there's like a a long line of the cars 178 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: that already have pulled over. I kind of pulled off 179 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: to the side and I just I just took off 180 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: and they didn't come. Thank you God. I was like, 181 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: thank you God, they didn't come. If it have found 182 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: the record, is what do you think about it? Have 183 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: happened three cords of the work for the cartel? They 184 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: either one they worked like I tell the other they 185 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 1: actually really good cops and they're turning me in, like 186 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: why do you have recorded? You know? I had to 187 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: keep in the car, like it was just oh my 188 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: little moments where just one after another. Not too long 189 00:12:55,480 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 1: after that, I make another recording. I turned in a 190 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: load of heroin the Government's allowed me to pay for 191 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: these loads with our own cats. I give the government 192 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: the money and the process of money and then turn 193 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: it into the cartel, and they're documented. They're gonna document 194 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: all this, so my workers don't know that I'm cooperative. 195 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: So I tell them. I'm on the phone to Age 196 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: and saying, look, we're gonna handle all the money at 197 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: this place at this time. And then you're like, okay, 198 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: let me see if I get my team there. Okay, 199 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: we got a team there. So they're just document that 200 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: they're seeing this exchange of money. Would scare me is 201 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: that when I would send my career that he never 202 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: noticed that the federal there. And that made me feel 203 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 1: like how vulnerable this operation can be. He doesn't realize 204 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: that the father watch him. I know they're watching them. 205 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: You know. They turned over the money to the car 206 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: tells carrier turning the money. Seven minutes later, my phone rings. 207 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: It's Chapel Miles like Compoli, like their head of security. 208 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: He's like, listen, there's something fucking funny, man. You guys 209 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: rats the guys calling me seeing that. You know there's 210 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: a car following that. The cops are following it, They're 211 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: on him. I was like, like, what the fund are 212 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: you talking about? And I'm calling my working on the 213 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: radio and I'm letting him here. I'm like, hey, did 214 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: you see a car? Did you give the money money? 215 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: And he's like, give him money left? Did you see 216 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: anyone following? Yeah? I seen him on the street. I 217 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: went my way. He one head that makes anyone following you. 218 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: I know that they're following him. I'm like, I don't 219 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: know why you're saying there, like there's something funny here, man, 220 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: I said, let me call you back. I'll never forget that. Then, 221 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: sure enough, I think on this drop off, the DA 222 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: has a helicopter, has a couple of cards. They're following 223 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: the car back with the money. You usually ever recorded 224 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: that a call like that, and I couldn't because he 225 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: caught me off guard. And I picked up the phone 226 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: and was like, hey, listen, motherfucker, they're fucking follow my guy. Now, 227 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: you're fucking snitch or what the fuck swallowed? I was like, 228 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: we're fucking talking to you like that. You asked me 229 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: to do you the favorite now I'm the snitch. I 230 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: said that I'm gonna talk to my dad about this, 231 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: like oh no, no, no, no, just let me just 232 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: see man, maybe it's not you get off the phone love, 233 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: Like whoa ship. I'm passed by that time, Like our 234 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: relationship with the agents already have kind of like like 235 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: kind of you know, you're talking to something, we'll talk 236 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: about life, like you know we're talking about the case 237 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: or you know, with different agents. Hey, you remember this 238 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: time and how do you guys do this like or 239 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: whatever cases? And I remember calling back and said what 240 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: the I'm like literally probably even got emotional, like my 241 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: family is here like a bucket, putting my life in 242 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: danger over twenty fucking kids. Whatever the funk? I was 243 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: just like fun funck who knows, just screaming call it off, 244 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: call it off, call it off. And I'm like shock, 245 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: like what's happening? Like listening mostly like begging them in 246 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: the like worst way. What did they say? Myself? Like 247 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: hold on them like gays, let me see them and 248 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: find out. I did feel a betrayed by then, like 249 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: there's no reason why you're gonna have to put my 250 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: life and you don't have to do it. Need damn 251 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 1: things like I'm right here, I'm helping you guys. And 252 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: then I remember calling it chap On's head of security 253 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,959 Speaker 1: back and the look, I don't know what to tell you. 254 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: My guy is good. I'm gonna tell him to keep 255 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: take a couple of spins and see what happens, you know. 256 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: And then he was like, look, man, there's something funny. 257 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: All right. You're like, I'm gonna tell you something, right 258 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: not that money ain't gonna be coming until it gets 259 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: in my hats, so you're responsible for it. And then 260 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: I remember a couple of days later, I just follow up, 261 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: but I'm like, hey, so did you get the money? 262 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: Everything good? He's like, yeah, everything was good, man, but 263 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: like weird, like and ten moments were driving me crazy? 264 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: How could you sleep good at night? How did you 265 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: you couldn't? I think I lost. I had lost Peter 266 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: already when he started his cooperation. Was there ever a 267 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: time joining that seven or eight months that you thought 268 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: they'd sist you the carteler's sist you, sis? It was 269 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: nerve wracking. Once I was cooperative. I remember this one 270 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: time like it was in October September. October they said 271 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: they wanted both of us to go, and he would 272 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: call them like at the time, they'll be like senanay, 273 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: so they want to see you, and I understand there 274 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: was a chapel my, we're asking to see us. I 275 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: was like, we both can't go, you know, explain to 276 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: the lieutenant and he let me call you back. Okay, 277 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: why don't you guys to come, But you gotta tell 278 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: me one thing. You're gonna be here and you better 279 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: be here. I was like, let me check some flights 280 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: and I'm talking to my brothers like broh man, I 281 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what to do that they 282 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: can't say anyone to see us. And I was like, look, 283 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: let me ask them for some cocaine. If they give 284 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: it to us, then we're good. If they say no, 285 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: then sounds the draw. But you do not think then 286 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: they could be tricking you. Yeah, but they don't want 287 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: to trick you and give you some kids. So if 288 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: they gave you coke, it was a way to know 289 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: that they hadn't figured you out. Yeah, because then now 290 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: the wouldn't blame Now, come see me and then we'll talk. 291 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: They would have been like, Okay, we'll be there probably 292 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: and be like we gotta go. You know, I remember 293 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: asking them for the cokae. I'm like, I asked them 294 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: for like a larger mind, like hey, let me see 295 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: what I have. And he tells me like, yeah, we 296 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: have three engine eating What if I give me the 297 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: rest of a couple of days. I was like, okay, great, 298 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: when can I pick him up? Well, you can pick 299 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: him up tomorrow, you on today, And I felt okay. 300 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: I felt that tends like we'll see what he says 301 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: and then you know at that time, you know I'm 302 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: talking that he's texting me some stuff and I'm like 303 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: a brother, then you could go. But it was still nervous, 304 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: like sending my brother, you know, J went. He was 305 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: there and everybody was there during that meeting. There was 306 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: a lot of main cretoil. You know. My brother was 307 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 1: snapping pictures. I can't believe, like, bro, like why would 308 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: you do that? Why would you risk it? I think 309 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: it's not coming. They will let you keep your phone. 310 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: So that was like a major like normal, like why 311 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: would you do that? Sometimes I would record stuff on 312 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: my phone, take like pictures. I remember one time I 313 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: took so many good pictures that something happened where I 314 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: got nervous, and I started to raising the pictures like 315 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to be like, why are you taking pictures? 316 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: My wife is right here. I think we talked about 317 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: it and sometimes should be like how did you do that? 318 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: This one time where they had a table and they 319 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: have all kinds of stuff on top of the table, 320 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: bades and stuff, and I said, we're like, I'll come 321 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: some nervous here. I'm like, I'm most definite meat. I'm 322 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: gonna use your phone. I gotta call you chicken, you know, 323 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: had chicken with my wife. Didn't laugh about that, and 324 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: I grabbed the phone, satellite phones and now now I 325 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: would buy a brand new phones so I could actually 326 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: I'll buy a brand new phone that I had with me, 327 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: you know, to be able to talk to Peter to 328 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 1: like that. So I moved by branch Pools just for 329 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: those visits. I have their phone number. You know, I 330 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: have no service on my phone, so I had lass phone. 331 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: I call the number on the satellite phone. Ever, ring 332 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: I'll hang up was not working. I'll go the next phone, 333 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: hang up. I try to get all the phones there. 334 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be like if I see you don't have 335 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: the foes that I don't know if not going through 336 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: them to see your phone. Now I have all their 337 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: phone numbers. That was nerve wracking because he's there using 338 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:44,239 Speaker 1: every phone they I always did it though, so it 339 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: wasn't like something you're not scared they'd be suspicious. I 340 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: always did it, and I was calling my wife's phone. 341 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: It's like I was calling the agent. But I was 342 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: just registering all the numbers so I could give it 343 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: to the government. M h. People will travel my art through. 344 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: But I don't care who you are. They're just regular men, 345 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: selfish people. They're not you know, they're not gods. They're now. 346 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: They're regularly corrupt as people. They want to care about themselves. 347 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: They will bend and break every rule and betray you 348 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: and kill you and not care about you. Honest. It 349 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: was funny. They would do anything to say their old family, cooperate, 350 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: sell out their main best friend, to say their own family, 351 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: and then they want to kill you because you do 352 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: the same for years. You cann't eat, I cann't sleep. 353 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: So many things to think about and I live with 354 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: every month every day to try that like that called 355 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,199 Speaker 1: my only Escapables, just a couple of moments of my 356 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: wife that could get and then bring me reminded of 357 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. It was just so dreadful to 358 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: just wake up, so scary to go to sleep, and 359 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: then you know the people who depending on I was 360 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: going to turn my back on them. Everything we work 361 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: so hard to build. Now you're building a big old 362 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 1: prison around yourself and then you have to knock it 363 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: down so hard to loan to another prison. I wasn't 364 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: patting sorry for myself. I was just mad at myself, 365 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: like this is what I did. At the same time, 366 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: I felt like some kind of like Okay, what I 367 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: could do. I did. I had to tell my family 368 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: out to everything I could do to put myself inca wish. 369 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: I did it every day I could have done. For 370 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: the government, I went above and beyond. There's nothing more 371 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: that I could at that point. I gave them millions 372 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: of dollars. I turn the people turn, enjoying and turning everything. 373 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: I did everything in my power. I went above and 374 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: beyond help build this case. From practically along my brother 375 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: and I were alone. It took word to me we 376 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: were to sacrifice, and took kind's bless instance just be 377 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: here to take. I just still think it was the 378 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: right decisions. Be honest. Now you talked to me on Monday, 379 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: I tell you yes to them, I tak You know, 380 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: nine months of recording deals with the lieutenants of the 381 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: cartel certainly help the FEDS put together their case. But 382 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: there was one major piece of evidence. They needed a 383 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: call with Chapeau himself. It's something that until now have 384 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: been impossible for anybody to get. I remember I missed 385 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: the first call. I missed the call and call me. 386 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: I remember I was standing there, like not even my 387 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: brother standing there. I dropped my bag and I ran 388 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 1: back to the house. The girls are there and the 389 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: senior I'm turning out, like bollow me up stair because 390 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: it was like the people in the house of the time, 391 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, just running away, like just trying to get 392 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: away to get a quiet space. I was so nervous, 393 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: and not of course to me to recording, but of 394 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: what was to come, What did this mean for my life? 395 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: Like it was an ugly feeling, you know, like getting 396 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: the recorder out and the only thing the fence that 397 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: giving me like earpiece with a microphone, and you know 398 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,479 Speaker 1: when you put the phone to your ear you can 399 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: hear and then they can record. I remember putting it 400 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: to my and like the secretary answered, I'm like, oh, 401 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: it's the twin gid. Where were you in the house Lusters? 402 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: I remember, and we were in the first stroom and 403 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: I remember lacking the doors, like right there in your face. Yeah, 404 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't even know what to say. 405 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: I remember him saying, amigo, like hearing his voice again, Yeah, 406 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 1: I don't want, I don't want. The call with Chapo 407 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: was the one chance that Twins had to prove that 408 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: they were telling the truth to the U. S. Government. 409 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: It was the only ticket out there. I've depended on 410 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: this one core. Without the recording, the vital piece of 411 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: evidence the FEDS needed, they wouldn't have been able to 412 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: make a deal. All they had to do was get 413 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 1: chapout to confess without raising any suspicion at all from 414 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: the world's most notorious and violent drug boss, the man 415 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: who personally admitted to executing at least two thousand people himself. Easy, right, 416 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: I felt, Okay, I did. I had to get over 417 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: that and just used this lie about king a cheaper 418 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: number and that and the heroine the phone calls, what 419 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: else telling them of the truth that I mean him 420 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: had herald working relationship that he knew that might office 421 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: was in Chicago and there that he had sat drugs 422 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: for me and cons and drugs for me to my 423 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: brother and there they was like you know, we're working 424 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: together to move these drugs and SLOM. I understood that 425 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: that time that to make the conversation good is that 426 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: we we talked about future shipments and pass ones. That 427 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: was like a big moment, you know. I remember thinking 428 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: like this is like my way, my ticket home. One day, 429 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: I remember getting another phone and just playing back the conversation, 430 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: like over the anticipation, I hope I got it, like nervous, 431 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: did we get it? Imagined we did it? Man, you 432 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: had a call to Apple back there. Could we do 433 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: this again? This is the thing called go through your mind, 434 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: like playing the conversation again and thinking like I can't 435 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: lose this, this recording on our other phone and remember 436 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: like here you could reread corded, you know, like copied 437 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: on your phone too, like they around off my other phone, 438 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: and then thinking like we're not gonna give it to 439 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: the sets until we make a deal. It was those 440 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: little troubles, a little struggles that you you're facing all 441 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: those perils of cooperating, right. People really don't know, like 442 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: imagine every day it was like this for all those 443 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: months and having our family and being stressful, and again 444 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: it's something that that we had to we had to do. 445 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: We put ourselves in that position. I will say, I 446 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: think for all those years that we sold drugs, those 447 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: months of cooperating, in my head, I was like, we're even, 448 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: you know, we're even. Like I didn't risk myself this much, 449 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: you know. When I was like suddenly the drugs, remember 450 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: the put our life at Verst doing all this. I 451 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: remember like talking to the fans and I was like 452 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: I got it, Like what I got to call my 453 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: own chapol and like get the funk out of like 454 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:22,959 Speaker 1: for real, like you wanna hear it. It was like 455 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: late and they're like, probably don't funk around me, Like 456 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: you really got it? I got it. Then remember just 457 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: them calling me, calling me our planet's ha gonna work. 458 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: They wanted to that fucking round it bring it because 459 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: meet us where we had been meeting before. In the subdivision. 460 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: It's like a big as oak trip. Like the street lights. 461 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: It was just like a dark spot in this subdivision. 462 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: That wasn't comfortable with meeting it because other people lived there. 463 00:31:54,960 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: But you know my colonly complains so much. Go part behind, 464 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: you know this land cruiser and bullet problem and cruiser 465 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: with diplomatic plates. I'm jumping in the carp how we're 466 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: up and you know, you know they just shoot me, 467 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: just kill me? That would you want me to just die? 468 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: Just tell me like in cartel world, you know, literally 469 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: behind enemy lines, like just doing that and they're nervous. 470 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: Thing of looking around that nervous back around my palms, 471 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: canna swear like things like cold like sweat, you know, 472 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: on your foreheads, like mad, I just see that. I'm 473 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: angry that you keep putting in this situations. I remember 474 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: going and taking the record and be like I don't 475 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: know this this you better be there that they you 476 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: better be there and my sentence and tell them what 477 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: I did to get this. Oh, no problem, man, We're 478 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: all gonna be like and you just hand it over 479 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: and then what's remember them? Like, what's next? Are they 480 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: gonna indicated? Make sure it's it's his voice. But it 481 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: had been pretty fast. Literally we're like with midnight one 482 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,239 Speaker 1: in the morning when it comes to back, we got 483 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: a match. It's it was late in the night. I 484 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: remember they called. They confirmed that it was authentic recording. 485 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: I could hear scream, cham, I can celebrated celebration. I 486 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: was still taken back. I remember the prositat that would 487 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: tell me, I promise you I'll be doing cart wheels 488 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: in summer sults and your sentence no something that I'll 489 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: be like, I'll do cart wheels and backflips. My brother 490 00:33:54,720 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: I had the only legal recording the chopol was mom 491 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: they ever had h we didn't have a plan. Two 492 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: weeks after the top of recording. Now we're gonna call 493 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: it to Sunday. Our attorney wants about to us. It's early, 494 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:42,439 Speaker 1: right ten, And then in the morning. You remember he said, 495 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 1: you know, the US attorney wants to talk to you. 496 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: He said he wants you guys to train yourselves in today. 497 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: I won't even be looking to it like wow, real 498 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: hit us? Huh what? Just like that? After around nine 499 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: months of recording and cooperating with the US government, it 500 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: was time, the twins were given two hours to meet 501 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: back under the big oak tree in the middle of 502 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 1: the subdivision and finally hand themselves over the rest of 503 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: their family had been in the dark for months, but 504 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: as soon as the cartel found out about what Pete 505 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: and Jay were up to, they would come for their family. 506 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: So they had to drop the bombshell of what was 507 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 1: about to happen. And it started with the man who 508 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: brought them into this life in the first place, their father. 509 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: I think it was a higher thing I had to 510 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: do was to place my father. You could be a killer, 511 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,800 Speaker 1: you could be whatever. You're not going to be a thief, 512 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: and you're not going to be a queer. And the 513 00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: most important one, you're never gonna be a snitch. M 514 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: I had to light him mean until he came up 515 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 1: with this. I to try to soften, softening up a 516 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: little bit. We go to his house that we bottom regardless, 517 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: he lived a great life right his streaming in dollar house, 518 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: brand new cards. I said, we have to talk, and 519 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: without my mom. It was hard, like I didn't even 520 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 1: know how to say it, and I don't even know 521 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:44,280 Speaker 1: who We even spoke, but I said, uh, I did mention. 522 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:52,919 Speaker 1: I said that the government found us. He said what 523 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: I said, the government found us. They've been watching that. 524 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: They know exactly where you live. You know where we 525 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 1: all live. He's like, are you serious? I said, he said, 526 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: come on, let's go. You know he's walking a kay, 527 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: let's go. Let's call it. No, it's over, there's no 528 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: more running. He said, you could go, and I said. 529 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: They knocked on the door and they said, your life 530 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: is going to be in danger anyway, so we're going 531 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: to arrest you or you have a chance you can popery. 532 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,399 Speaker 1: He look, He said, what and what do you say? 533 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,240 Speaker 1: I said, we'll cooperate. I cannot put my family in danger. 534 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 1: He said, you cooperate? He said, what type of fucking 535 00:37:53,000 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: men are you? Cooperate? He said demanding people tell you 536 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: they will hunt you, they will here you. You could 537 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: never survive going to custom. How could you do? You 538 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: know what the funk you're doing? And I'm saying not 539 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 1: even about it as about of family. He's a fuck um. 540 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: There's a fucking cowards. I raised fucking women. He said, Oh, 541 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 1: now you guys, wanna you know something, just like you 542 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: know who top womire? I remember, like I never like 543 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: talking about it to my dad. I know who they 544 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: are and it was going to be near them. I 545 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 1: want you met every fucking day you could look up 546 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: to you, admire you do whatever you want. I'm not. 547 00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: And he said, they're giving a chance to leave. Do 548 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: it for us. You never did anything for us. You 549 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: put as you gave us this life up, just saying 550 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:12,720 Speaker 1: just give us a chance. Let's just leave. He said 551 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 1: I can't. I said, they're willing to forgive you, and 552 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 1: they're willing to give you a Lisa that hurt that 553 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 1: like herd. I'm like he looked like them. You guys 554 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: with that polarity. You know, we were on tears, all 555 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,720 Speaker 1: of us. My father was like I could fro his anger. 556 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,799 Speaker 1: And then I said, do it for us, Please just 557 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,399 Speaker 1: do it for us. Be mad, do whatever you want, 558 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: but just do it for us. And I said, me 559 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:52,359 Speaker 1: and my brother going in prison, you were the same one. 560 00:39:52,680 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: Just kept nodding yourself. It's just like I'm don't doing 561 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: my son. What you're about to hear is the full unedited, 562 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: two minutes fifty and second conversation that people recorded with 563 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,720 Speaker 1: El Chapo that was played in court during El Chappo's 564 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: trial in two thousand and eighteen. Pete begins by asking 565 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 1: how Chappo is, and Chappa responds with fine, nice talking 566 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,239 Speaker 1: to you. How is your brother? For an English translation, 567 00:40:30,560 --> 00:41:00,799 Speaker 1: Go to Lionsgate Sound dot com. Damn yeah here, yeah, 568 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:18,360 Speaker 1: I think we'll check a list on the sinkoles tinko 569 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 1: you lit. You can mess for words on the pause 570 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:35,280 Speaker 1: in Quintapo. You think we'll check a list of helois. 571 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: He came under my mouth's voice. However, that okay, we 572 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:59,840 Speaker 1: just get a new to me. I can tell you 573 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 1: when I look. Okay, come on one stem Yeah, you're 574 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 1: in quantum years to give Atlanta conus, can you? 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