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Speaker 1: But enough with that, let's get to the show. Good morning, everybody,

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Speaker 1: Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: What do we have, Crystal, Indeed, we do lots of

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Speaker 1: interesting things to break down this morning. We have some

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Speaker 1: fallout from the Trump indictments this week, and in particular

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Speaker 1: big news. We also have some new revelations. This pretty

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Speaker 1: interesting comment's coming out of Kiev. Largest openness that they

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Speaker 1: This comes as France is meeting with China and expressing

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Speaker 1: also openness to China playing a role as peacemaker there.

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Speaker 1: So we'll break all of that down for you. We

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Speaker 1: also have a whole new story again on the nord

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Speaker 1: stream pipeline, and some open admissions that members of NATO

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Speaker 1: are just like, yeah, we just kind of don't really

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Speaker 1: so let's just not talk about it. We've got some

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Speaker 1: big twenty twenty four fundraising numbers Nikki Haley with a

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Speaker 1: we also have a couple of media stories that we

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Speaker 1: couldn't resist covering one elon designating NPR on Twitter as

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Speaker 1: pretty bombshell revelations about Don Lemon's behavior going back years

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Speaker 1: Breakingpoints dot Com, as I said, that's the reminder. But

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Speaker 1: how did the media handle the Trump arrest and the

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Speaker 1: subsequent coverage, Crystal, Yeah, So, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: I kind of empathize with the bind that media organizations

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Speaker 1: lot of time on ten No, I actually hate doing it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it distracts from a lot of other really important issues.

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Speaker 1: But then again, when you have a former president of

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Speaker 1: our deal with you is that we will monitor these remarks.

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Speaker 1: What I've always found astounding about these critiques from these

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Speaker 1: far we could go, and then they can use that

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Speaker 1: as their own roadmap. To make sure they can insulate

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Speaker 1: themselves from any future economic warfare to come. So listen,

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Speaker 1: I mean, in a sense, number one, can't blame them.

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Speaker 1: Number two, we really kind of asked for it, and

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Speaker 1: we from the beginning have been warning about the potential

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Speaker 1: domestic consequences here and consequences for our standing in the

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Speaker 1: world of using these of weaponizing these sanctions over and

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Speaker 1: over again. Yeah, and I just can't get over how

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Speaker 1: big of fools that we look like on the global stage.

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Speaker 1: Zoom out of NATO, where apparently we're like the greatest

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Speaker 1: heroes in private. They're happy to take your money and

441
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Speaker 1: then stab you in the back whenever they want to.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that. But look at Saudi Arabia, a

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Speaker 1: country that we spend one hundred billion dollars a year

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Speaker 1: in sending weapons to, We underwrite their security. This family

445
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Speaker 1: would never be in charge if it wasn't for a

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Speaker 1: US global underwriting. They're willing to literally take your money

447
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Speaker 1: and then look at you and put the middle finger

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Speaker 1: right in your face. Put this up there on the

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Speaker 1: screen right now. The decision to go ahead and cut

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Speaker 1: oil to raise oil prices was very simple. This is

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Speaker 1: David Ignatius. By the way, who's writing this. The United

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Speaker 1: States doesn't call the shots in the Persian Gulf or

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Speaker 1: the oil market anymore. For better or worse, the era

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Speaker 1: of American hegemony in the Middle East is over. Crown

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Speaker 1: Prince Muhammed Ben Salman pressed oil OPEC producers. This is

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Speaker 1: the key. MBS specifically went to OPEK and said, we

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Speaker 1: want to cut to buy one million barrels per day

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Speaker 1: to boost the price of crude from eighty five to

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Speaker 1: eighty five dollars a barrel up by six percent? Why

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Speaker 1: to make more money and to make it more difficult

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Speaker 1: for the US economy and for the West during the

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Speaker 1: ongoing crisis in Ukraine. Now, a real ally would do

463
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Speaker 1: what a They would either do what you would tell

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Speaker 1: them to do if it's a client state, or b

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Speaker 1: somebody who you know, wants friendly relations and thinks that

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Speaker 1: this is like a give and take relationship would say,

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Speaker 1: all right, we'll hear you out and we'll take the

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Speaker 1: temporary hit. You know, it's not like we aren't one

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Speaker 1: hundred billionaires several times over, and we'll make sure that

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Speaker 1: oil is cheaper. They don't care. They literally don't. They

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Speaker 1: disregard what Washington has said they have stabbed us now

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Speaker 1: in the eye four or five times whenever it comes

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Speaker 1: to OPEC production, and the only fools are us in Congress.

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Speaker 1: They're still selling them weapons. The Biden administration goes over

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Speaker 1: there and bows down before MBS like a joke, you know,

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Speaker 1: in front of the entire world. They're laughing because they

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Speaker 1: got the President of the United States to come over there. Whatever.

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Speaker 1: You know, he didn't shake his hand, He just gave

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Speaker 1: him a fist buck. Why he really showed it to

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Speaker 1: him there, mister president. And then the moment you leave,

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Speaker 1: they have China over. They strike this deal with Iran

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Speaker 1: and allow Beijing to be the broker. And if you

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Speaker 1: think Beijing doesn't have its hand behind this decision either,

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Speaker 1: and then you're a fool. I mean, it's like in

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Speaker 1: every single theater all across the world in Asia, in

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Speaker 1: South Korea and Japan, they're doubting whether we're actually gonna

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Speaker 1: be doing it. You know, the Taiwanese president is transiting

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Speaker 1: through America. I always love how we do these fake

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Speaker 1: diplomatic things. She was in California and she met with

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Speaker 1: House Speaker Kevin McCarthy. Same thing, you know, the Taiwanese.

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Speaker 1: We're actually been shorting them on arms so that we

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Speaker 1: could send them to Ukraine. I've been looking also and

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Speaker 1: tracking people who are inside DoD are warning about the

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Speaker 1: level of shortages that we have. We are incurring massive

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Speaker 1: hurts across the world and here at home on behalf

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Speaker 1: of this Ukrainian conflict. And I don't know how you

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Speaker 1: can possibly look, you know, at this from a thirty

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Speaker 1: thousand foot level and say that any of this is

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Speaker 1: worth a visa vi to what we're actually doing. The

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Speaker 1: Russian invasion and we're going to get to this in

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Speaker 1: just a moment. In a lot of ways, has been

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Speaker 1: just a total disaster for Russia. Of course, it really

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Speaker 1: sort of forced into reality a multipolar world, and maybe

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Speaker 1: it revealed what already existed because the relationships that China

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Speaker 1: has been building around the world. I mean, this goes

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Speaker 1: back years at this point. I was listening this morning

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Speaker 1: to a podcast about their you know, more specifics about

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Speaker 1: their efforts in Africa, where it's a double edged sword.

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Speaker 1: You know, they load up these countries with a lot

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Speaker 1: of debt, but there are very visible signs of Chinese influence.

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Speaker 1: A road, a dam, a bridge, an airport, sometimes with

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Speaker 1: the Chinese flag flying outside that In some places, people

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Speaker 1: are very grateful for this level of development, whereas the

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Speaker 1: US has basically treated Africa as like another front of

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Speaker 1: their war on terror. So again it's a double edged

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Speaker 1: sword because then at the end of the day, you've

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Speaker 1: got a nation that's loaded up with debt. But you

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Speaker 1: can see in the seeds that the Chinese government has

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Speaker 1: been planting for years and years. You know, when the

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Speaker 1: US goes to the world and says, hey, we need

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Speaker 1: you on our side in terms of the Ukraine War,

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Speaker 1: most of the world's like, I think we're going to

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Speaker 1: stay on this one. Actually know, whether it's the African nations,

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Speaker 1: whether it's nations in South America, whether it's India, They're like,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're going to let you work this one

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Speaker 1: out and we're going to kind of stay on the

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Speaker 1: sidelines and see how it all unfold. Yeah there. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: New Delhi is happy to take cheap gas as long

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Speaker 1: as they can get it. Brazil will do the same thing,

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Speaker 1: and so will a lot of developing countries. Even the

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Speaker 1: South Koreans are out there selling arms to anybody who's

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Speaker 1: got money, because they're like Oh, American arms are going

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Speaker 1: to Ukraine. We'll take those dollars and we'll make sure

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Speaker 1: that we can stand it up. I was looking at

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Speaker 1: it from a macro view, and I was just thinking

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Speaker 1: about it this way. Only the US is the nation

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Speaker 1: which is not allowed by its elite and its presidents

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Speaker 1: to act in its own material interests. All other countries

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Speaker 1: on Earth make cold blooded, real politic calculations worth it,

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Speaker 1: not worth it, good for my people, not good for

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Speaker 1: my people. The idea from the unipolar moment onward has been, well,

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Speaker 1: we're such a great nation that we can do both.

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Speaker 1: But listen, guys, China allowed them to rise up in

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Speaker 1: the meantime, not just China. I mean, there's all kinds

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Speaker 1: of global competition that's happening now. We are just like

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Speaker 1: any other country. It's checks and balance in terms of

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Speaker 1: our sheet, what works and what doesn't, what's good for us?

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Speaker 1: And we too, blessings have been had, all this bounty

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Speaker 1: of energy and money, and you know, all this benefits

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Speaker 1: so called of market capitalism, but a lot of that

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Speaker 1: benefit is fading away. We're at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: we're just like everybody else. And I think we're going

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Speaker 1: to learn all that real s Liff, and I actually

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Speaker 1: think that part of the story there is this is

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Speaker 1: a nation that, whether it comes to domestic affairs or

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Speaker 1: foreign affairs or anything else, has allowed corporate power to

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Speaker 1: supersede any sort of interest of the American people or

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Speaker 1: national interest, and so we're unable to act for the

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Speaker 1: interests of the people. We're unable to act for the

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Speaker 1: interests of the nation because we're so beholden to like

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Speaker 1: whoever's making money off of whatever we're doing in the world.

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Speaker 1: So really clouds our ability to maneuver in the world. Yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: so let's go to the second bar here because it's

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Speaker 1: very important breaking news that actually just came out this morning.

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Speaker 1: President Vladimir's Zelenski telling the Financial Times that Ukraine is

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Speaker 1: ready to talk to Russia on Crimea if their counter

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Speaker 1: offensive succeeds. Let's go ahead and put it up there

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Speaker 1: on the screen. Kiev is willing to discuss the future

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Speaker 1: of Crimea with Moscow if its forces reached the border

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Speaker 1: of Russian occupied Peninsula, a top advisor to President Zelenski

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Speaker 1: has told The Financial Times these comments were made by

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Speaker 1: the deputy head of Zelensky's office and is the most

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Speaker 1: explicit statement yet of Ukraine's interest in negotiation since it

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Speaker 1: cut off peace talks with the Kremlin last April. He says, quote,

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Speaker 1: if we succeed in achieving our strategic goals on the battlefield,

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Speaker 1: when we will be able on the administrative border with Crimea,

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Speaker 1: we are ready to open a diplomatic page to discuss

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Speaker 1: this issue. It doesn't mean that we exclude the way

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Speaker 1: of liberation of Crimea by our army. So obviously that's

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Speaker 1: important because Crimea was originally seized an annexed by Russia

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and thirteen, and one of the major

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Speaker 1: worries here and throughout the West has been that escalating

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Speaker 1: this to a nuclear conflict would come if some sort

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Speaker 1: of Ukrainian offensive is specifically at a US backed weapons

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Speaker 1: or any of that we're used on Crimea, which the

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Speaker 1: Russians genuinely do consider theirs in a way that they

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Speaker 1: don't consider the newly annexed territories of eastern Ukraine. Now,

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Speaker 1: though it does not necessarily mean it's the opening that

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Speaker 1: we may initially want it to be, because implicit in

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Speaker 1: this is what that Ukraine is going to take back

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Speaker 1: every inch of territory that they have lost since the

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Speaker 1: initial Russian invasion. Now, of course, Ukrainian counter offensive have

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Speaker 1: been dramatically successful back in March of twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: are still waiting to see exactly how that is going

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Speaker 1: to look In twenty twenty three, the long awaited Spring

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Speaker 1: Offensive hasn't yet happened. There's been some discussion that the

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Speaker 1: Russian Spring offensive did not go the way that they

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Speaker 1: want it to be, but it's one of those where

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Speaker 1: we don't know if that was the actual Russi effe

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Speaker 1: or not. Obviously who has insight into Moscow's plans. Really

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Speaker 1: what's going on is a complete meat grinder going on

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Speaker 1: in the city of Bakmode, where both Ukrainian forces are

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Speaker 1: expending thousands of rounds of ammunition per day and the

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Speaker 1: Russians are losing on order of at least like three

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Speaker 1: to one because they are the attacking party. Very classic

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Speaker 1: in terms of like trench like siege warfare in a

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Speaker 1: World War One style conflict. The issue right now is

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Speaker 1: one of those where how long could Ukraine realistically keep

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Speaker 1: that going because the amount of shells and ammo that

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Speaker 1: we are giving them is not limitless. Same from the

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Speaker 1: west whereas the Russians have a genuine industrial base and

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Speaker 1: they have thousands and hundreds of thousands of people they

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Speaker 1: can still throw into this conflict if need be, So

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Speaker 1: the question is like who can hold out longer. It's

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Speaker 1: really a classic World War One type scenario. The issue

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Speaker 1: here too, though, is that yes, they're expressing open to negotiation,

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Speaker 1: but the secondary part of it, crystal where any discussion

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Speaker 1: with Chinese President Shishinping that hasn't happened yet, we don't

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Speaker 1: know if the Chinese shot them down after Zelenski essentially

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Speaker 1: said hey, I'll call you know, let's talk, like you

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Speaker 1: could call me, you can even visit Kiev or any

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Speaker 1: of that. So I'm not quite sure how to make

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Speaker 1: of this. I genuinely think it's always a good thing

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Speaker 1: when somebody says that they're willing to talk. But also

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Speaker 1: obviously the preconditions here are not realistic, at least in

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Speaker 1: the eyes of the Kremlin. But you know, maybe they

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00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: need to get realistic too, because it's not like they

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Speaker 1: don't have hundreds of people dying literally per day on

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Speaker 1: the battlefield. Yeah. No, I mean, it's incredibly welcome to

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Speaker 1: see those comments. There's just no two ways about it.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that we've been very fearful about

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Speaker 1: is that Crimea could represent a kind of, you know,

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Speaker 1: really true redline for Russia in the way that some

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Speaker 1: of the other territories and regions and actions from the

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Speaker 1: Ukrainians may not represent. And you know, we're not alone

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Speaker 1: in that. A lot of NATO allies are fearful of

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Speaker 1: that as well. You know, it was right after they

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Speaker 1: blew up that Crimean bridge that there started to be

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00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: real concerns about Russia could see this as an existential

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Speaker 1: threat to the point that they may actually use quote

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Speaker 1: unquote tactical nuclear weapons. That has continued to be a concern.

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Speaker 1: You've seen so rhetoric that I think has been profoundly

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Speaker 1: dangerous from leaders like Nancy Pelosi about Ukraine fully taking

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Speaker 1: back all of Crimean US being fully behind them in

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Speaker 1: terms of that operation. So it is very welcome to

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Speaker 1: see what is a really notable and significant shift in

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Speaker 1: tone here from Zelenski. And then, you know, the other

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Speaker 1: question that remains to be seen is if there was

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Speaker 1: a genuine interest from Ukrainians and engaging with peace talks,

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Speaker 1: especially if China was involved in those peace talks, would

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Speaker 1: the us be open to it, would we let it happen,

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Speaker 1: because it sure seems like we would be interested in

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Speaker 1: blocking that, even though the claim has always been from

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration that of course it's the Ukrainians who

655
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Speaker 1: are in the front seat, and we'll just you know,

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Speaker 1: back them up in whatever they want to do. See

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Speaker 1: if that holds, if they actually got serious about engaging

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Speaker 1: in peace talks with China. Yeah, we'll see how it

659
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Speaker 1: goes down. And actually this broke this morning, so we

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Speaker 1: can add some secondary parts of this also. I just

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Speaker 1: want to underscore again just how different things are outside

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Speaker 1: of Washington and outside of like Warsaw and Talin and

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Speaker 1: Kiev's view of the conflict as opposed to literally everybody else.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead and put this up there on the screen,

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Speaker 1: you know, for all of the discussion of our great

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Speaker 1: European allies and all that they do not see this

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Speaker 1: in any way the same way that we do. The

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Speaker 1: President Macron is in Beijing actually right now, and as

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Speaker 1: many are viewing this, Emmanuel Macrone arrived there specifically to

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Speaker 1: try to carve out a distinct role for Europe that

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Speaker 1: avoids America's confrontation with an assertive China convinced that there

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Speaker 1: is a place for China in ending the war in Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: So you can see that Macron and actually Olaf Schaltz,

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Speaker 1: the German Chancellor, also both visited Beijing recently, specifically in

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Speaker 1: the attempt to try and bring the Ukrainian conflict to

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Speaker 1: an end and to try and put Chinese pressure on

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Speaker 1: Russia to bring some sort of political settle. This was

678
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Speaker 1: after we should forget, not forget that Washington ruled out

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Speaker 1: the Chinese peace deal as some sort of joke and

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Speaker 1: they said that it should not be considered. Well, it

681
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: turns out that the nations with much more skin in

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Speaker 1: the game than we do in terms of their own

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Speaker 1: territorial borders, they didn't think that at all. The next

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Speaker 1: one up there on the screen two, please, there's been

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Speaker 1: a string of European leaders that have been heading over

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Speaker 1: to Beijing, EU Chancellor, the European Council, the Spanish Prime Minister,

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Speaker 1: the Francis President, and also the EU Commissioner President, President Ursula.

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Speaker 1: Vonder lyon all of those people's visits to Beijing has

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Speaker 1: specifically been with respect to do two things. Number One,

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Speaker 1: to say, hey, the US, Japan and South Korea. We're

691
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: not necessarily in any of that. They're like you and I,

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Speaker 1: like we should keep businesses going. We don't really agree

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Speaker 1: with some of their trade war practices and all of that.

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Speaker 1: A in other words, you know, acting in their material interests,

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Speaker 1: and B they want to try and help Beijing bring

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Speaker 1: some sort of end to the conflict in there. It's

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00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 1: just stunning to look at it again and to see France, Germany,

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00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: all of these countries, the EU, these places are underwritten

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Speaker 1: entirely by the US Global Security Alliance. We are the

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Speaker 1: ones who underwrite their militaries. We sell them all their weapons,

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Speaker 1: and we protect them with our nuclear umbrella. And then

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Speaker 1: though when it comes to China, they're going to do

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Speaker 1: what they want. I don't even bringrudge them. I would

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Speaker 1: do the same thing as some fool was willing to

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Speaker 1: pay me to do whatever l I wanted. That said, though,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why we continue to do that. Why

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Speaker 1: do we continue to just let ourselves be humiliated like

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Speaker 1: this for our so called you know what Iron brothers

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Speaker 1: and allies. But secondary Crystal they view and again they

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Speaker 1: have the territory, they have actual territorial skin here. They

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00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: view this peace deal and peace itself as an actual

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Speaker 1: goal that you should be willing to work towards with

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Speaker 1: anybody who is willing to do that. Unlike President Biden,

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Speaker 1: his National Security Council, and apparently all of the entire

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Speaker 1: Washington lead, France and Germany, especially in the lead up

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Speaker 1: to this ConfL I mean, they took a very different

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Speaker 1: approach than the US and UK. Now, some of the

718
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: schism there has kind of been papered over for a

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Speaker 1: number of months, but it's in actions like this that

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Speaker 1: you see it re emerging. They have a great, much

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Speaker 1: greater commitment to actually trying to resolve this conflict and

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Speaker 1: bring it to an end than certainly the Biden administration

723
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Speaker 1: has ever demonstrated, and especially with the recent comments very

724
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Speaker 1: clearly from the Biden administration, you know, immediately dismissing the

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Speaker 1: Chinese Peace Plan, immediately saying that any sort of offer

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00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: of a ceasefire, brokering of a ceasefire from China should

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Speaker 1: be rejected out of hand. Clearly, France and Germany have

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Speaker 1: a very different view here, and again, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: that is very welcome because I think it benefits everyone,

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Speaker 1: including Ukrainians, to try to reach an end to this

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Speaker 1: horrific war which has been devastating to their people first

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Speaker 1: and foremost. Yeah, I think you're right, Crystal, And just

733
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: like looking at all of this and just seeing the

734
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Speaker 1: way that it's all coming together, it is clear that

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Speaker 1: there is a lot going on outside of Washington where

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Speaker 1: people not only disagree with us, are actively bucking us.

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Speaker 1: We are the ones at the end of the day

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Speaker 1: who might be left holding the bag quote unquote because

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Speaker 1: we're the ones basically funding the entire conflict and b

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Speaker 1: if it does come to sort of settlement and we

741
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Speaker 1: don't have a major role playing in that and actually

742
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 1: bringing that about, what is the conclusion for the rest

743
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: of the world, especially in a post Iraq environment, is

744
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: that we are belligerents, that we are opposition to peace,

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Speaker 1: that we don't care about peace. And that was something

746
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: that we worked so hard after the perst World War

747
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: two order to establish that as a given. And sure

748
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: Vietnam was bad, but you know, during that basically that

749
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: entire period, it was it was a given that any

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Speaker 1: international settlement would be Washington led. And now that's breaking up,

751
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Speaker 1: and it's just even more of a sign of multipolarity. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: all right, let's go to Nordstream. This is just one

753
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Speaker 1: of the most laughable things that you are ever going

754
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: to read. And I almost I'm with a straight face,

755
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: going to attempt to show you what the new intelligence

756
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: is showing you around the nord Stream pipeline bomb that's

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Speaker 1: going to put this up there on the screen. Investigators

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Speaker 1: are skeptical of a yacht's role in the nord Stream

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Speaker 1: pipeline bombing. Officials believe more than one vessel might have

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Speaker 1: been involved in sabotaging the natural gas pipeline and wonder

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Speaker 1: if a fifty foot sailing yacht that investigators have scoured

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Speaker 1: for clues could be a decoy. Yeah you think. Officials

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Speaker 1: hope that the true purpose of this quote unquote deep

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Speaker 1: sea demolition will provide further insight into high stakes international

765
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: who done it, who could eventually lead to the response

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Speaker 1: who is responsible and explain their motives. US and European

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Speaker 1: officials said they still don't know for sure who is

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Speaker 1: behind the underwater attack said that they shared German skepticism

769
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Speaker 1: that a crew of six on a sailboat laid out

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Speaker 1: hundreds of pounds of explosives that disabled the Nordstream pipeline.

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Speaker 1: Experts noted while it was theoretically possible to do that

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Speaker 1: pipeline by hand, even skilled divers would be challenged submerging

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Speaker 1: more than two hundred feet to the seabed, slowly rising

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Speaker 1: to the surface to allow time for their bodies to decompress.

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Speaker 1: In other words, this was a professional job that basically

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Speaker 1: only a nation state could do. And the idea that

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Speaker 1: some Ukrainian rotary club that happened to, you know, acquire

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Speaker 1: this fifty foot sailing boat and just row it on

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00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: out there by themselves, by their own gumption, and then

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00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: you know, professionally dove down two hundred feet and then

781
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: stuck a bunch of C four all on this controlled

782
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: deminition with military grade explosives just seems a little bit skeptical.

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Speaker 1: My personal favorite quote from the entire thing, let's go

784
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Speaker 1: and put this up there on the screen, is this,

785
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to read it in full. At the

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Speaker 1: gatherings of European and NATO policymakers, officials have sett into

787
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Speaker 1: a rhythm. Don't talk about Nordstream leaders see little benefit

788
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: from digging too deeply and finding an uncomfortable answer, echoing

789
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Speaker 1: sentiments of several peers in other countries who said they

790
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Speaker 1: would rather not have to deal with the possibility that

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Speaker 1: Ukraine or allies were involved interesting or allies. I think

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Speaker 1: that's the first time that we've ever seen that, and

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Speaker 1: that just opens up the entire discussion as to how

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00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: all this is playing out. I mean, originally, you know,

795
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: nobody knew either way. Of course, there were suspicions on

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Speaker 1: both sides, and you had the crazy tweet there from

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Speaker 1: the Polish MP who said, thank you USA for breaking

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Speaker 1: blowing the pipeline before you then deleted it. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to speak to declaratively or any of that.

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Speaker 1: Despite suspicions. Then though, the New York Times went through

801
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: the CIA leaks comes out and it's like, no, no, no no,

802
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: it was the Ukrainians, Like, the Ukraines are the ones

803
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: who did we see Ukrainian hand But by the ways,

804
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: Lensky didn't have anything to do with it, so don't

805
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: worry about that. It was just like a bunch of

806
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: rogue private Ukrainians that happened to do this. But then

807
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: obviously everyone was like, well, how did the Ukrainians have

808
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: this technology? Like how do they have the you know,

809
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: the logistics, the wherewithal to pull off the operation like this,

810
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: and so increasingly these European allies are like, yeah, we

811
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: just don't really want to know who blew up the pipeline,

812
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: which is actually crazy because at the time they considered

813
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: it one of the most significant acts outside of the

814
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Speaker 1: conflict and thought it was a genuine act of war

815
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Speaker 1: by the Russians, with fears that it would spiral into

816
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: a global conflict. But now even though per their words,

817
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: they thought it was threatening, you know, the global order

818
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: and their own energy supply and all that, like, noah,

819
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: now we have no aga, let's just yeah, let's just

820
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: move on. Let's just move on. They actually had another

821
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Speaker 1: piece in here. They said it's like a corpse at

822
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Speaker 1: a family gathering. This European diplomat said, everyone can see

823
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: there's a body lying there, but pretends things are normal.

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Speaker 1: It's better not to know, Okay, I mean, it is amazing,

825
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: and it is also amazing how pathetic that explanation they

826
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Speaker 1: tried to run in the New York Times of like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's at this little like dinky yacht and a group

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Speaker 1: of Ukrainian affiliated you know, partisans but not affiliated with

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Speaker 1: the government, just the Ukrainian Rotary Club operating on their

830
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: own with such obvious bullshit that even the mainstream press

831
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Speaker 1: had to acknowledge that this seems utterly preposterous. But of

832
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: course they won't give any credence to the reporting from

833
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Speaker 1: Seymour Hirsh, you know, with all the details about you know,

834
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Speaker 1: what his sources suggest actually happened. With regards to the

835
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Speaker 1: US potentially being involved in blowing this thing up, it

836
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: really is beyond parody, and it is important to underscore

837
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Speaker 1: this is an act of international terror. I mean this.

838
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Speaker 1: They were not wrong in the initial assessment that this

839
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Speaker 1: is a gigantic deal, that it is an act of

840
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: war that is a dramatic escalation, But now that it

841
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: looks increasingly clear and sort of undeniable that it was

842
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: Ukraine or their allies quote unquote, now they're like, well,

843
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't such a big deal and we should

844
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Speaker 1: just not talk about it. It's just Lauren, it's a joke. Amazing. Yeah,

845
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Speaker 1: the ongoing investigation apparently is dead, so I guess we'll

846
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: never know who blew up the noise. All right, let's

847
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Speaker 1: go to the next part here. Some significant news also

848
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Speaker 1: that happened just a couple of days ago April fourth,

849
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Speaker 1: let's go and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: The official release from NATO. Finland has now officially become

851
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Speaker 1: NATO's newest member as of April fourth, twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: where the flag of Finland was raised upon the North

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Speaker 1: Atlantic Treaty Alliance's office in Brussels, where they signed the

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Speaker 1: Finland Ascension Protocol on July fifth of twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: after all thirty national parliaments voted to ratify the country's membership.

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Speaker 1: So currently Sweden is also working its way through the process.

857
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Speaker 1: I believe they had to strike some deal with Erdowan

858
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: and with Turkey around the PKK in order to do so.

859
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: It's just amusing also interestingly, right Turkey the only nation

860
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: in NATO that was like, listen, yeah, sure, we'll give

861
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: it to you, but you actually have to give something

862
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: to us. It's amazing once again that other countries look

863
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: at things in print quid pro quos. We are effectively

864
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: embracing the new and extending the US nuclear umbrella to Finland,

865
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: a nation which we never had a security guarantee with

866
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 1: ever before, which with eight hundred miles of now new

867
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: NATO border with Russia, and there was not one debate

868
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: or consternation in this country about doing so. This is

869
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: a monumentally strategic decision. You can look at it and

870
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: not say that it hasn't dramatically changed the face of Europe. Now,

871
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: if you in the comments want to comment about why

872
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: you're willing to go die for the fate of Helsinki,

873
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: you know you can be my guest. However, Russia has

874
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: now responded, let's go and put this up there on

875
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: the screen. Russia says Finland's NATO ascension is a dangerous

876
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: and historic mistake. Russia said on Tuesday that the ascension

877
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: to NATO's military alliance was a historic mistake that would

878
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: weaken security in the wider region, increase the risk of conflict,

879
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: and force Moscow to take countermeasures. That's basically the most

880
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: fulsome comments that they've made on it so far. That

881
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: they even had some pro Kremlin activists apparently in Moscow

882
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: but with anti NATO demonstrations. Who knows if that's true

883
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: or not. But look from a broader strategic point of

884
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: view this, let's say you believe the Russians on their face,

885
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: they said that the reason that they were invading Ukraine

886
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: was because that Ukraine was getting too close to NATO

887
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: and to prevent any sort of ascension. So then the

888
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: West was like, well, to make sure that this never

889
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: happens again, we should then induct new countries into NATO

890
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: because Russia said that NATO was getting too close to

891
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: its border, so we're getting even closer to their border. Now.

892
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 1: I can already hear the screeches about how it would

893
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 1: be appeasement not to let Finland and Sweden into NATO.

894
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't say that you wouldn't help them

895
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: if they got into a conflict. I just said, hey,

896
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: you know, if you're in NATO now we're basically blood brothers,

897
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: and we have to go to nuclear war on your behalf.

898
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: That seems kind of concerning. I'm just wondering exactly what

899
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: you bring to the alliance. Finland and Sweden, two countries

900
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: which are massive welfare states with less than two percent

901
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: national spending on GDP for literally for years. What are

902
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: you doing for us? I would be apparently a trader

903
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: and a pro Kremlin activist to be asking these types

904
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: of questions, which I would just remind everyone there's a

905
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: great book called The Wise Men about the people who

906
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: built the post Cold War or the post war nineteen

907
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: forty five International order. These were, as the title alludes, to,

908
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: the wise men who went through the horrors of the

909
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: Cold War and of the Second World War and watched

910
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: fifty five million people die and decided to be cold

911
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: blooded strategic analysts to try and forge a path through

912
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: the Cold War in which the world would not be

913
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: annihilated through nuclear war. One of those men was George Kennon,

914
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: and George Kennon who we have spoken repeatedly about here

915
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: on the show, and I did an entire monologue about

916
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: some of his private thoughts about NATO expansion, and others

917
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: warned repeatedly about expanding NATO eastward, specifically to avoid some

918
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: nightmare scenario like this one. Now again I want to

919
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: represent the counterview. The counterview is is that US security

920
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: guarantees to Finland and to Sweden guarantees that those nations

921
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: never will be invaded because the cost would be so

922
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: high to the Russians and extends broader peace and security,

923
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 1: you know, throughout the European continent. And maybe you're right,

924
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: but the problem that I always come back to is

925
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: if you're wrong, now we are literally going to nuke

926
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: Russia on behalf of the fate of Helsinki. And you

927
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: know I've said this before, helsinc have been there. It's fine,

928
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: it's a nice place. That said though, just looking at it,

929
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: as I alluded to earlier in our show cold Hard

930
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: balance sheet trade with Finland, what is Finland bringing to us?

931
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: What exactly are we getting out of this? I don't

932
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: see it. I don't see why we should annihilate our

933
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 1: entire country for hell Sinki or for Stockholm. Once again,

934
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: they're nice places, but I don't know why their fate

935
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: literally matters to us here at all. Nobody can answer

936
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: that question. Yeah, I think you lay that out all

937
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: very well. There's just two pieces that I would add.

938
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 1: Number One, we made a mistake in the past by

939
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: not listening to our adversaries and what they were saying

940
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: and taking serious what they were saying. Now, Russia is

941
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: responsible for the invasions. They're bald, it's illegal, one hundred

942
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: percent all of that stuff. However, there is no doubt

943
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 1: that our actions in expanding NATO eastward, after basically saying

944
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: that we wouldn't and over and above the vociferous objections

945
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: of Russia, that we sort of just swatted aside as

946
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: bluster and nonsense and big talk, but no action. Clearly

947
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: that helped provide a justification in terms of Russia's view

948
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: for this war, illegal war that they launched in Ukraine.

949
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: So that's number one. We never learned the mistake of

950
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: you actually have to listen to your adversaries and take

951
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: serious seriously what they're saying. The other thing that I

952
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: would say here is, you know, I think in a sense,

953
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: and we've been talking a lot about China and how

954
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: they're viewing this conflict and how in certain ways they

955
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: have really benefited from this conflict. It really has forced

956
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: into view what was probably already there, which is a

957
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: new multipolar reality. I think this has been This war

958
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: has been a disaster though for Russia because the last

959
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: thing they wanted was a NATO expansion. And so even

960
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: as I you know, obviously share your concerns about what

961
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: this means for us as well, they are very very

962
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: unhappy with this, and it's the polar opposite of the

963
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: result that they would have wanted to see in terms

964
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: of prosecuting this war. So those are the only two

965
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: pieces that I would add to Oh you should add.

966
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: I mean, look, that's all I think it should be given. Obviously,

967
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: it's been a disaster for them. This is one of

968
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: the dumbest things that they've ever done. They've wasted probably

969
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: hundreds of billions of rubles on them if they crippled

970
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: their economy, They've become pariahsed in the eyes of the world.

971
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: They've increased defense spending in Germany and France, which is

972
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: literally a miracle because there were some cheap asses over there,

973
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: and you know, it hasn't worked out well for them,

974
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: and no matter what decades from now, it won't. The

975
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: real question is what do you do about it? You're like,

976
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: do you want to keep kicking them when they're down

977
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: and assume that they'll always be down? You could think that,

978
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: you know, that's basically what we did throughout the nineteen

979
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: nineties and the two thousands. We said, look at this country,

980
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 1: it's a joke. They just lost half their territory through

981
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: the USSR. They're economically in the middle of a nightmare.

982
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: You know, during all this, during the transition from communism

983
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: to free market capitalism, they're basically got gangster oligarchs running

984
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: their country. What are they going to do if we

985
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: expand an Ato into Estonia and Finland. Fast forward twenty

986
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: two years and you find out so that's one of

987
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: those where look, this is irrevocable. You can't take it back.

988
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: It's not a temporary action. I can tell you right now.

989
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,959
Speaker 1: There were only like four people in nineteen ninety eight,

990
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: whenever all of this was being considered in the US

991
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: public sphere, that were like, hey, you may want to

992
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: think twice about this. One of them was George Kennon,

993
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: the guy who warned and built the post world Cold

994
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: War order and they literally the father of a containment strategy,

995
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: and he said, there may come a time when Moscow feels,

996
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, like they have been encircled, and that they

997
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: may retaliate out as a result of that. This is

998
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: not a justification. It's only to say Russia is going

999
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: to exist. You know, unless you are the most online

1000
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: NAPO person in the world, Russia is not just going

1001
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: to die anytime soon, and so you should assume it'll

1002
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: probably be around in some form in the next twenty

1003
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: five years. You should also assume that Putin is not

1004
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: just the expression of like who he is, but is

1005
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: expressing a longstanding tradition. Frankly in terms of how Russian

1006
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: leaders view their security situation. So even if he is

1007
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: dead twenty five years from now, where is the guarantee

1008
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: that the future leader will have learned anything or isn't

1009
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: even more hawkish and warlike than Vladimir Putin? Right? Are

1010
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: you setting the table for a future piece or are

1011
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: you setting the table for what the next conflict is

1012
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: going to look like? And very much my fear with

1013
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: the further expansion of NATO as that we are just

1014
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: setting ourselves up for further conflict in the future. Absolutely,

1015
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about what we just learned.

1016
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 1: In terms of twenty twenty four politics, everybody is sending

1017
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 1: in their big fundraising numbers for the first quarter. Nikki

1018
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: Hayley is bragging about the number that she was able

1019
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: to post. Let's go and put this up on the screen.

1020
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: Apparently she announced she raised more than eleven million dollars

1021
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: in the six weeks since she announced. This person indicates

1022
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: that for comparison, the Trump campaign says he raised upwards

1023
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 1: of ten million just since the news of his formal

1024
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: indictment broke on Thursday, So it does take a little

1025
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: bit of the windown of the sales, but Nevertheless, eleven

1026
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 1: million dollars is a significant sum. I crunch the numbers.

1027
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: Her average donation is something like one hundred and fifty

1028
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: six dollars. A person comes from seventy thousand donations, and

1029
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 1: a number of them, she says, are two hundred dollars

1030
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: or less. So they're very excited about this. But you know,

1031
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: Sagom and I look at it. I mean, first of all,

1032
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: I don't know that I ever doubted Nikki Haley would

1033
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: have big money behind her. That's her whole reason for existing.

1034
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: That's the only reason why she's in the political landscape

1035
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: at all, is because she is sort of like you know,

1036
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris figure that the donor class loves, even as

1037
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: there's very little public appetite for her. That's number one

1038
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: and number two. At the presidential level, money becomes so

1039
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 1: much less relevant when you have Donald Trump in the

1040
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: race and he literally gets millions tens of millions of

1041
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 1: dollars in free airtime and publicity every single day. Yeah,

1042
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:28,919
Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about it this way too,

1043
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,439
Speaker 1: Like you know, Trump was outspent almost ten to one

1044
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,720
Speaker 1: in the twenty sixteen campaign, and he won. He actually

1045
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: reasspending parity or ish in twenty twenty and he lost.

1046
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: So it's not like money actually matters all that much,

1047
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: you know, And also at this level to Trump and

1048
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: presidential level. When it comes to Trump in the presidential level,

1049
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: I just don't think money is the big deciding factor here.

1050
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: I think it's cope basically on everyone's part. Now, it certainly,

1051
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: obviously it does matter, but to what level. Nobody can

1052
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: really tell you that. And just by and large, like

1053
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: insurgent campaigns have won before, you know very well, money

1054
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: campaigns have lost. If anything, there's a lot of good

1055
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: evidence on the Trump side that anytime he's hamstrung by

1056
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: a real professional organization, it actually doesn't work out as

1057
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: well for him, and that he's better in a freer

1058
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: and a loose environment. And you know, Jeb Bush had

1059
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars, Like, how did that work? Came

1060
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: in fifth place? So like there's also no evidence that

1061
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: Visa v. Trump, that running all these negative ads and

1062
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 1: trying to work against him, even with all the money

1063
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: in the world, is going to do a damn thing.

1064
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: So you know, Okay, congratulations Nikki Haley. I guess you

1065
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: know you can you can buy more than Scott Walker.

1066
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: Remember that. I mean the guy had thirty forty million

1067
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Speaker 1: dollars in the bank. Yeah, didn't do anything. I mean

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Speaker 1: the problem of for Nicki Haley is the same problem

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Speaker 1: that Hillary Clinton had, which is, you can have all

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Speaker 1: the money in the world, but if you're selling a

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Speaker 1: product that nobody wants, doesn't really make a big difference.

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Speaker 1: We also got some numbers from Ron DeSantis' affiliated super pack.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up on the screen there. His pack

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Speaker 1: is called Never Back Down. And the committee raised thirty

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Speaker 1: million dollars in fundraising since the super pac launched back

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Speaker 1: on March ninth, so you know, basically in a month's time.

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Speaker 1: They said the money was raised rather than transferred from

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Speaker 1: other committees, and half of the contributions came from donors

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Speaker 1: outside of Florida. So also certainly plenty of money behind

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Speaker 1: the Rohn DeSantis hope, right, Yeah, I mean thirty million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Once again, it sounds like a lot of money if

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Speaker 1: that's actually only one third of what Jeb Bush had

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Speaker 1: raised whenever before he eventually even declared in it. And

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Speaker 1: where is the evidence that money is what's where's the

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Speaker 1: evidence that what can money buy you? Nay id in advertising.

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Speaker 1: Is that really DeSantis' problem here, or is it that

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Speaker 1: people like Trump more than him or may not even

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Speaker 1: like him in the GOP primary, that they feel that

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Speaker 1: Trump is under threat and they need to stand with

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Speaker 1: him over this. No money in the world is going

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Speaker 1: to fix it. And as you just said, Trump probably

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Speaker 1: just got a billion dollars in free media just in

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Speaker 1: the last week from the coverage that he received in

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Speaker 1: terms of his arrest. You can outspend that. Theres are

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Speaker 1: you can't compete with the amount of you know, unpaid

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Speaker 1: media that Trump is able to garner just every single

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Speaker 1: day because obviously the more that the liberal networks hate him,

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Speaker 1: the better it is for him. And Fox News, which

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Speaker 1: really was trying to turn the page on Trump and

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Speaker 1: really do their Ronda sand As that boosting, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're backed into a corner where they can't help but

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Speaker 1: go all in on Trump coverage as well, because, as

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Speaker 1: I think was revealed in the dominion lawsuit, like they

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00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: just don't have control over their audience to force something

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00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: different on them. They have to go with the flow

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Speaker 1: of where the Republican base is at right now. And again,

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Speaker 1: even as you know, these are impressive fundraising numbers. It's

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Speaker 1: not like Trump isn't also raising a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up on the screen. Apparently he has

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Speaker 1: raked in ten million dollars from supporters since a Manhattan

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Speaker 1: grand jury indicted him. They collected roughly two million on

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Speaker 1: Tuesday alone, as Trump was being arraigned in a New

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Speaker 1: York courtroom. And as part of that fundraising campaign, they

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Speaker 1: actually are selling a T shirt with a fake Trump

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Speaker 1: mugshot on it to show you how much they see

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Speaker 1: the indictment here and you know, potential ones in the

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Speaker 1: future as a boon for him, at least in the

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Speaker 1: Republican primary. I think it's a different story in the

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Speaker 1: general election. I always want to say that, but pretty

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Speaker 1: clear in the Republican primary, his polling numbers have just

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Speaker 1: shot through the roof. He now is the clearly dominant

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Speaker 1: figure in terms of Republican voters, in terms of media coverage, like,

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Speaker 1: good luck with all of your millions other contenders getting

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Speaker 1: any oxygen and airtime in this race at this point. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating, you know, just continuingly breaking it

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Speaker 1: down and just looking at the way that Trump is

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Speaker 1: able to dominate all of this like ten million dollars

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Speaker 1: in a single week. Is again, it's not about the money.

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Speaker 1: It's just about the expression of love and of loyalty

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Speaker 1: that he is willing to garner from millions of small

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Speaker 1: dollar donors that just don't exist for any other Republican candidate.

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Speaker 1: And that's just something that he will always be able

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Speaker 1: to tap over and over and over again, and none

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00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: of these other yeah, actually have. It's a huge strategic

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Speaker 1: advantage on his behalf. And also, I mean he's been

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Speaker 1: building these lists for a lot of years now. Now

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Speaker 1: I do think they have gone back to the well

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00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: of these lists. I mean, he is very abusive in

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Speaker 1: terms of the amount of fundraising emails that he sends out,

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Speaker 1: and it has really taken away. Other Republican candidates in

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Speaker 1: setate primaries and whatever have really complained about the way

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Speaker 1: that the whole Republican base is like tapped out because

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00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: the Trump operation is just constantly like clawing whatever scraps

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00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: of dollars they can from this fundraising base. But you know, nevertheless,

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Speaker 1: he has certainly built an extensive list, He certainly has

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00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: a really dedicated, enthusiastic following, and you know, the more

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Speaker 1: that they see him as being under threat, the more

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Speaker 1: that they are likely to give. The more the media

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00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: covers him, the more Democrats salivate about what they think

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00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: is great for them and Donald Trump being potential next

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00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: Republican nominee once again, and you know, just full service

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00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: economy there for everybody fault. Yeah, absolutely, all right, couple

1153
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: of media stories that we could not resist. All right,

1154
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna enjoy this one. So Elon Musk has been

1155
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: in full troll mode recently, taking away in your time's

1156
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: blue check mark, which is legitimately funny. And now another

1157
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: move which I also think is legitimately funny. Let's go

1158
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: and put this up on the screen. He marked NPR

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00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: as US state affiliated media on Twitter. You know, same

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00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: designation that like RT or whatever would ultimately get. And

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Speaker 1: so obviously there was a lot of debate about this

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Speaker 1: and a lot of hand ringing among liberals in particular.

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Speaker 1: How dare you now? Just like I looked at the numbers,

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Speaker 1: NPR does receive a significant portion, I think like ten percent.

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00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,439
Speaker 1: Hold on, I've got it. So this is where it's

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00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: in dispute, and that's actually wanted to spend some time off.

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Speaker 1: So they claim that they only get one percent or

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Speaker 1: so of their operating budget from the federal government, or

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Speaker 1: at the very least in taxpayer dollars. However, in several

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Speaker 1: of their communications they actually say that they would be

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Speaker 1: it would be impossible for them to actually it would

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Speaker 1: be impossible for them to operate without federal funding. So

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Speaker 1: the true figure is actually very unclear. But in their

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Speaker 1: marketing dollars, from what they have put out at least

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Speaker 1: so far, they make it clear that federal appropriations, at

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Speaker 1: least in some cases, are basically the only reason that

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Speaker 1: they are allowed to exist on top of their overall donors.

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Speaker 1: So Michael Tracy has been digging into this a lot,

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Speaker 1: and so I have one of the things that he

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Speaker 1: pulled up here. I mean, first of all, yes, in

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Speaker 1: their communications, they said federal funding is essential to public

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Speaker 1: radio service in the American public and its continuation is

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Speaker 1: critical for both stations and program producers, including and PR.

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Speaker 1: And then they offered a breakdown of where their funding

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Speaker 1: comes from. The plurality. Forty three percent, according to their communication,

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Speaker 1: comes from individuals, eight percent comes from federal appropriation, and

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Speaker 1: five percent comes from federal, state and local governments. So

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Speaker 1: you're talking about thirteen percent there nothing coming from government entities.

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Speaker 1: And look, by the way, I don't like I'm actually

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Speaker 1: fine with the government like supporting nonprofit radio, PBS whatever.

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Speaker 1: I don't have an issue with it. But there has

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Speaker 1: always been a level of not even arbitrariness, but clear

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Speaker 1: bias in how news outlets are labeled, whether they are

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Speaker 1: dismissed as state propaganda or not, based on the relationship

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Speaker 1: to like is it an Allied Nations state propaganda network,

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Speaker 1: is it a US state propaganda network, or is it

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Speaker 1: a you know, official US bad guy States state propaganda network.

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Speaker 1: And that's just not just on Twitter. That's on all

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Speaker 1: kinds of places, like things like Voice of America, which

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Speaker 1: are truly your like the BBC right, which are truly

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Speaker 1: I mean Voice of America is directly like American US

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Speaker 1: government propaganda, and that doesn't get the label on certain

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01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: platforms where of course, you know, RT which also you know,

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Speaker 1: deserves the label and people should be aware of the

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Speaker 1: biases inherent there consistently does so I'm not saying Elon

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Speaker 1: is being even handed here, of course he's not. He's

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Speaker 1: being completely biased as well. And my bigger issue I

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01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: have complicated feelings about this because in some ways, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: maybe our lives would all be better if Twitter just

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01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: did like die and go away. So I can't even

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Speaker 1: say like I'm fully mourning it. But the one silver

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Speaker 1: lining to me is that his totally random, capricious, troll

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Speaker 1: like behavior really demonstrates the total arbitrariness with which all

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Speaker 1: of these platforms are really run and how much they

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01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: are just subject to the whims of whoever happens to

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Speaker 1: be in control. And I don't think it's a bad

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Speaker 1: thing that that is exposed, So I see it as

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Speaker 1: sort of silver lining, even as I find most of

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Speaker 1: his decision making a Twitter to be a total disaster,

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Speaker 1: and the platform is already snificantly degraded and way less

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Speaker 1: useful and way less of a decent user experience than

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Speaker 1: it used to be, and it already wasn't great. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely correct, And nothing would convince you

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Speaker 1: that NPR is not state media than the White House

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01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: Press Secretary coming to their defense. Yeah. So social media

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Speaker 1: companies make their own independent decisions about content rules, so

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Speaker 1: I won't comment on Twitter's rules, But what I will

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Speaker 1: say more broadly, I'll say there's no doubt of the

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Speaker 1: independence of NPR's journalists and has been. If you've ever

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Speaker 1: been on the receiving end of their questions, that you

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Speaker 1: know this, You know that they have their independence and journalism.

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Speaker 1: NPR journalists work digitally to hold public officials accountable and

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Speaker 1: inform the American people. The hard hitting independence nature of

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Speaker 1: their coverage speaks for itself. Why does she have a

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Speaker 1: prepared statement defending NPR is not state media whend she's

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Speaker 1: the government propagandist. That's nuts. That actually convinces you the opposite.

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Speaker 1: NPR's managing editor also put out a very upset statement

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Speaker 1: that's put this up there on the screen. We were

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Speaker 1: very disturbed to see last night. Twitter has labeled NPR

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Speaker 1: state media. Description that per our guidelines, does not apply

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Speaker 1: to NPR. NPR and member stations are supported by millions

1242
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Speaker 1: of listeners who depend on us for independent, fact chase

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01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: journalism that we provide. NPR stands for freedom of speech

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Speaker 1: and holding the powerful accountable. It is unacceptable for Twitter

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Speaker 1: to label us this way. A vibrant, figorous free press

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01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 1: is essential to the health of our democracy. But some

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Speaker 1: of us didn't yet. Forget about a tweet sent in

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Speaker 1: October of twenty twenty let's go ahead and put this

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Speaker 1: up there on the screen. From the NPR public editor,

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Speaker 1: Why haven't you seen any stories from NPR about the

1251
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: New York Post Hunter Biden story? Read more in this newsletter,

1252
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Speaker 1: here's the quote. We don't want to waste our time

1253
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Speaker 1: on stories that are not really stories. We don't want

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Speaker 1: to waste the listeners and readers' time on stories that

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Speaker 1: are just pure distractions. So how can the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: claim with a straight face that they have faced tough

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Speaker 1: questions from NPR when they were the most forward and

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Speaker 1: out there really in leading the campaign to discredit the

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden laptop story. Like your joke, you're not actually independent,

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Speaker 1: you are one hundred percent actually state affiliated media with

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Speaker 1: an obvious bias. And as you said, Crystal, you know what,

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Speaker 1: it's just a joke that we all pretend that VOA,

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Speaker 1: Radio Free Europe and BBC also aren't. Yeah, they are good,

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Speaker 1: you know, put I guess just put the labels on

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Speaker 1: all of them. Yeah, just be consistent. I mean again,

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Speaker 1: this isn't consistent. The problem for NPR is actually not

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Speaker 1: that they receive funding from the government, because it's not

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Speaker 1: like their ideological disposition changed during the Trump years when

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Speaker 1: they were getting funding from the Trump administration. Right, their

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Speaker 1: issue is the same issue that CNN has that MSNBC has,

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Speaker 1: which is the sort of ideological capture really by their

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Speaker 1: audience base where they rather than really doing independent fact

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Speaker 1: finding or really surfacing stories that are stories in their

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Speaker 1: own words, they're serving their audience, which is overwhelmingly like affluent, liberal,

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Speaker 1: educated liberals, and so they are putting out the content

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Speaker 1: through the ideological lens that serves that audience base. Same

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Speaker 1: thing New York Times is doing, same thing, CNN is doing,

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01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 1: same thing MSNBC is doing. So yes, they get funding

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Speaker 1: from the government, but the real issue with them in

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Speaker 1: terms of any you know, their reporting failures in particular

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01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: on the Hunter Biden issue, is more about sort of

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Speaker 1: ideological audience capture and playing to what where they see

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01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 1: their primary revenue coming from their you know, ideologically not

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Speaker 1: diverse base. That's where I think they get into trouble

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Speaker 1: in the same way as many other news organizations. I

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01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 1: think you're correct. The entire thing just reveals like how

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Speaker 1: much of a farce really that they handle themselves. And yeah, look,

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Speaker 1: the freak out is delicious, It's enjoyable and to the

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Speaker 1: extent that I'm enjoying the chaos, even though my own

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01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: personal Twitter experience has become far worse. This is definitely

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Speaker 1: why Yeah, for sure. Speaking of other liberal media outlets

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Speaker 1: with issues we have covered here, you know Don Lemon's

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01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: comments about you know, when women are in their prime

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01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 1: and the obvious hatred that his female co hosts have

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Speaker 1: for him on their new failing morning show. Variety has

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Speaker 1: a new in depth report about a long track record

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01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 1: of alleged behavior from mister Lemon within the network that

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01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 1: has been really, according to their reporting, again quite outrageous.

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Speaker 1: I mean some of the cat shit it's psychotic. That

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01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: he is used to bully and intimidate his colleagues across

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Speaker 1: the board is quite disturbing. Let's go on and put

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01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: this up on the screen. Daily Beast had a write

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01:07:56,680 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: up of the reporting that again originated in a Variety.

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01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: The headline here is Don Lemon's history of alleged misogyny

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01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: and diva like behavior detailed in a new report. I

1306
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: will give you some of the low lights here. One

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01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 1: in particular is he was upset that one of his

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01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 1: colleagues I think got sent to a rock had like

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01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: some you know plum prominent position. This was back a while,

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01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: It was like two thousand and eight. He got a

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01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 1: burner phone and started sending this colleague these threatening messages

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01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 1: through the burner phone, things like now you've crossed the

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01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 1: line and you're going to pay for it. CNN did

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01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: an internal human resources investigation and they traced those texts

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01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 1: back to Don Lemon. Now, in any sane workplace, that

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01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:54,719
Speaker 1: sort of like truly psychotic behavior would certainly get you fired.

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01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: But not for Don Lemon. He was pulled from his

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01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 1: co anchor duties with this female. He was just moved

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01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: to the weekends, so push to the weekends. Demoted, but

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01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: not removed from the organization. They also say that those

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01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,639
Speaker 1: who worked with him say he was a quote shameless

1322
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 1: name dropper, left behind hints that he socialized with important people,

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01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 1: like a handwritten note from Stedman Graham that he had

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01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 1: taped on his computer. Some were also unnerved by his

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01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: talk of previous lawsuits, believing it signaled he was litigious.

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01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: He frequently let drop that he successfully sued Tower Records

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01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 1: as well as the Chicago PD for racial profiling and

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01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,560
Speaker 1: didn't need to worry about money thanks to the settlements

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01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 1: called one of his producers fat to her face. He

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01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: mocked Nancy Grace on air. He apparently was particularly prickly

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01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:48,799
Speaker 1: about any other host getting prominent, any sort of prominent

1332
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: hosting gigs with regard to issues like black American focused issues.

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01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 1: So Solo Dad O'Brien landed the gig of hosting CNN's

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01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 1: Black in America docu series and ring an editorial call

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01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 1: attended by roughly thirty staffers, he suggested O'Brien was not

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01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 1: actually black, according to two witnesses, who found the characterization

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01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 1: wildly offensive. He made some nasty comments about Si Cub

1338
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: having like mommy brain on air. It just goes on

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01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 1: and on with this type of bullying, gross behavior, and

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01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 1: you know, and some of it certainly verges on, like

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01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 1: you know, sexual harassment. Now, Don Lemon is a gay man,

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01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 1: so this really isn't about sex in any way. It's

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01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 1: just about power with these sorts of comments and behavior

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01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: from these individuals who think they are above it all

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01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 1: and won't face any consequences, which by the way, he

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01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: has not. They do this sort of stuff just to

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01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 1: prove to you that they can and that they can

1348
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,679
Speaker 1: get away with it, and that you're smaller than them

1349
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 1: and you just have to take whatever they're going to

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01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 1: dish out. And that, to me is the pattern of behavior. Well,

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01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: that really shows us. That's what they did. I mean,

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01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 1: they elevated him over and over again. He's only been

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01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 1: promoted and maybe made one of the major force faces

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01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 1: in the network. And to your point about the whole

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01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: power dynamic, they literally had a rule that you're not

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01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,639
Speaker 1: allowed to date anybody in the office, and he started

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01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 1: dating one of his producers who was twenty years his junior,

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01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 1: literally showing up at the office and riding to the

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01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 1: car in the same time just to show everyone that

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01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 1: he's like, the rules don't apply to me. He would

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01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 1: flaunt it in front of everyone. The text though, that's

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Speaker 1: got to be one of the craziest things I've ever heard, right,

1363
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 1: like you go and you buy. This was also fifteen

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01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: years ago, so remember guys, like, it's not like that

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01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 1: easy to just go get There were no apps at

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01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 1: that time that you could just download a number or

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01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 1: whatever for a fake day. You had to go to

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01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 1: a store on phone. You had to go to like

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01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:35,759
Speaker 1: a seven to eleven. You had to buy a burner

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01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: phone that like drug dealers use. You had to get

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01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: a card, you had to set this thing up, you

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01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 1: had to put her phone number in, and then you

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01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 1: had to text from that phone to that person that

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01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 1: is strown cold crazy like what is going And then

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01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: they do an investigation apparently so dumb that he's able

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01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:55,639
Speaker 1: to trace it back to him too, the only guy

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01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:58,520
Speaker 1: who've ever had a burner phone. Fair dumb they and

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01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,679
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, it was you, and then they don't

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01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 1: do a damn thing about it. This moves of the weekends.

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01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:06,679
Speaker 1: It's totally crazy, like the way that he behaves. As

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01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 1: you said, he's obvious like one of the most narcissistic

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01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 1: individuals on all of television. And it's an indictment for

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01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 1: all of the preening and you know liberal me too

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01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 1: covers that they claim to stand for over there. This

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01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 1: guy obviously should have been fired over fifteen sixteen years.

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01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: Think of how demoralizing this far. Yeah, oh it must

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01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 1: be tough one. I can't imagine everyone who has to

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01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 1: come in contact, right And by the way, whenever you

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01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 1: see these sort of stories uppear, which clearly they add

1390
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 1: a number of sources for and tons of stories going

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01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 1: back years, it is once again a sign that everyone

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01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 1: who has to work with you hates your guts and

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01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 1: they are looking for any chance that they have to

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01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: try to stick the knife in. I was reminded of

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01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: the shitty men and media list, of course was like

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01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:55,680
Speaker 1: slanderous and you know, and recently actually they just had

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01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 1: to settle that case, right, Yeah, But the reason it

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01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 1: took off is because there are a lot of truth

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Speaker 1: to the number of I wouldn't say just shitty men,

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01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 1: but shitty people in media who rise to the top

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01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 1: not because they're talented, not because it's some like meritocracy

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01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 1: or whatever, but because of the gross tactics, psychopathic behavior,

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01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: bullying power games that they are willing to play and

1404
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 1: know how to play. That's how a lot of these

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01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 1: people rise to the top. And that was what really

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01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 1: came out for me from reading this piece. And you know,

1407
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 1: by the way, I know some people at CNN and

1408
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 1: who confirmed much of this, you know to me privately

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01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 1: that oh yeah, this is exactly how he's known as

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01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 1: this bullying, abrasive diva who you know thinks that he's

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01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 1: completely untouchable and has been right about that. By the way, Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, it's crazy. I feel bad for anybody

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01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 1: who has to work with him, although I don't have

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01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: too much simply because they actually signed up for it

1415
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 1: and everybody knows that he's a monster, low level like producers,

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01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,600
Speaker 1: they shut to get their foot in the door, and

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01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 1: they're subjected to this like psychode. That must be really

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01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:07,679
Speaker 1: tough working with somebody like that. I genuinely can't imagine.

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01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 1: So thoughts and prayers for anybody who has to come

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01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 1: into contact with Indeed, Crystal, what do you take a

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Speaker 1: look at? Well? On January sixth, a Proud Boy member

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01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 1: named Erin pushed his way towards the Capitol, reaching a

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01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 1: barricade and holding it open for other rioters to more

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01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 1: easily enter the building. At some point, however, he paused

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01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 1: and sent the following message to his FBI handler quote

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01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 1: barriers down at Capitol Building. Crowd surged forward about to

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01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,599
Speaker 1: reach the building. Now Proud Boys did not do it

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01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 1: nor inspire now. Erin is one of quite a number

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01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 1: of FBI informants who we now know we're working inside

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01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:44,799
Speaker 1: the right wing groups that have been charged with seditious

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01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 1: conspiracy in connection with those January six attacks. The FBI

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01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: had men inside the Proud Boys and inside the oath keepers.

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01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: The founder of the Proud Voice himself had been a

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01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 1: FED informant. So if the FBI had paid informants with

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01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 1: a front row seat to January sixth, plotting, how the

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01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 1: hell did law enforcement fail so dramatically on that day,

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01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 1: caught seemingly with their pants down as a bunch of

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01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 1: Mega and q Andon nut jobs storm the Capitol. Now,

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01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 1: right wing commentators have suggested this wasn't actually a failure,

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01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 1: but rather a plot by the deep state to make

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01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 1: Trump supporters look bad. The new evidence that has emerged

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01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 1: as part of the Proud Boys Proud Boy's trial reveals

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01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:23,640
Speaker 1: a much simpler explanation. Law enforcement failed to disrupt the

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01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 1: attack or secure the capital due to run of the

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01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 1: mill human failings of incompetence and ideological blindness, fueled by

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01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 1: a Trump administration that was obsessed with Antifa and other

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01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 1: left wing groups. Now, Aaron and every other FBI informant

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01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 1: associated with the Proud Boys, and there were a lot

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01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 1: of them, tell basically the same story. The FEDS had

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01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 1: actually no interest in the Proud Boys, only in their

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01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:48,639
Speaker 1: left wing nemesis and Tifa. Courting the Washington Post quote,

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01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 1: the evidence shown in court indicates that many of the

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01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 1: FBI sources inside the Proud Boys were asked only about

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01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 1: their ideological opponents on the left, even as that right

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01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:00,839
Speaker 1: wing group was implicated in threats and violce at protests

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01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 1: across the United States. Aaron himself testified that before January six,

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01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 1: the FBI never asked him to look for information about

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01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: the Proud Boys. When he informed his handler he was

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01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 1: going to DC for the protest, he was asked only

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01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 1: to try to see if I could locate someone in

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01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 1: DC that had nothing to do with the Proud Boys,

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01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 1: he testified. So, even as he is telling the FEDS

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01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 1: he's going to DC for January six protests, his FED

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01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 1: handlers are not remotely curious about what the Proud Boys

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01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 1: might be planning there. It appears the FEDS didn't ask

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01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 1: any of their Proud Boys informants for Proud Boys Info

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01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 1: founder in Rique Tario was a FED informant on a

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01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 1: healthcare fraud case a while back, and continue to engage

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01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 1: the agency in the years to come. Another defendant, Joseph Biggs,

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01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 1: admitted he had also been an FBI informant providing information

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01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 1: on quote Antifa networks, another right wing activist Jenny Lynn

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01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 1: Salinus was revealed to be a government informant just before

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01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,719
Speaker 1: taking the stand to defend Proud Boys founder in rikue Tario.

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01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 1: She was so cozy with the group that she was

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01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 1: providing extensive advice for Proudboys members legal defense, unbeknownst to

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01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 1: her FBI handlers. Similar to the others, Szalinas reportedly swore

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01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:06,640
Speaker 1: under oath that she was only providing info to the

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01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 1: government on Antifa and the border, not on the members

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01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 1: of the violent group that she was apparently deeply enmeshed with.

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01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 1: As the judge explained quote, she wasn't tasked with reporting

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01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: on Proud Boys. Her contacts with the defense camp are

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01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: easily explained by her sympathy for the defendants. Another FED

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01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 1: informant was actually at a heavily screwtinized parking lot meeting

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01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 1: between Prodboy's leader Tarrio and Oath Keeper's leader Stuart Rhodes

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01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 1: on the day before January sixth, So the FEDS literally

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01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,639
Speaker 1: had a guy at what they contend was a key

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01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:39,599
Speaker 1: meaning the day before the attacks. Still nothing, no action.

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01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 1: Now that particular informant was able to avoid testifying because

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01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 1: of fears of incriminating himself. The whole situation was really

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01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,719
Speaker 1: summed up quite well by yet another Proud Boy informant

1491
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 1: who said that quote they didn't want to know about

1492
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 1: the Proud Boys, they wanted to know about Antifa. With

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01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 1: regards to January six he indicated that the FEDS were

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01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 1: radio silent, apart from asking in advance whether he was

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01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 1: going and afterwards whether he committed any crimes. This fits

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01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 1: with the picture of law enforcement failure that has emerged

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01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 1: since January sixth, because while the FBI may not have

1498
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: been getting tips when there are Proud Boy sources who

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01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,680
Speaker 1: were only focused on a mostly fictional Antifa, they were

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01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: getting hundreds of other tips from a variety of sources

1501
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 1: around the country. Among those many tips was actually an

1502
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 1: Oathkeeper member who was so alarmed by the group's increasingly

1503
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 1: violent rhetoric he secretly recorded a meeting provided to the FBI.

1504
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 1: Once again, FBI took no action on this or any

1505
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: other tip until after the fact, failing to disrupt the

1506
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 1: activities in advance, failing alongside every other law enforcement agency

1507
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 1: to provide adequate security on the day of the attacks.

1508
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 1: Their own ideological biases, combined with the Trump administration's obsession

1509
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 1: with the Antifa blinded them to the possibility of violence

1510
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 1: that was literally right in front of them. So if

1511
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 1: they weren't disrupting actual plots being hashed red under their

1512
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 1: noses with help from their own informants, what were they

1513
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:02,719
Speaker 1: actually Doingjournalist Trevor Aronson of The Alphabet Boys podcast provides

1514
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,719
Speaker 1: one answer here, they were apparently using criminals to infiltrate

1515
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:08,679
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter protests and an attempt to entrap protest leaders,

1516
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 1: follment violence and so dissent in those groups. The Gretchen

1517
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 1: Whitmer kidnapping plot mess provides another answer. They were also

1518
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 1: apparently helping to hatch high profile plots that they could

1519
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 1: then swoop in and pretend to disrupt in a way

1520
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 1: that would be advantageous for a lot of law enforcement careers.

1521
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 1: Because it's so high profile, it's a lot of work,

1522
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 1: I guess, to invent kidnapping plots and entrap protesters with

1523
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:32,679
Speaker 1: low level gun charges. I suppose there just wasn't any

1524
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:35,919
Speaker 1: time leftover to notice and deal with any actual threats.

1525
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 1: This whole rotten system has got to be reformed, root

1526
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 1: and branch. The failures, the blind spots the lawlessness, innocence

1527
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 1: are entrapped, criminals are paid, fake plots are invented, real

1528
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:49,639
Speaker 1: plots are ignored. Instead, I guess they'll just get another

1529
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 1: budget increase to spy more, fail more, and fund even

1530
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 1: more criminals. It is unreal when you every time, and

1531
01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 1: if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

1532
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at breakingpoints dot com. All right, sorry,

1533
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 1: were you looking at it? Well? The story of American

1534
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 1: internal migration patterns after World War II has actually been

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01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 1: pretty basic. We used to be a rural country, especially

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01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 1: before the Great Depression. Industrialization, the loss of family farming,

1537
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 1: the call to arms for World War Two, the development

1538
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 1: of full blown market economy pushed us away from all

1539
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 1: of that. Americans moved only two direction, towards the rural areas,

1540
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 1: and they fulfilled the dreams of our forefathers by going west.

1541
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 1: Concentration was everything. Black Americans were haunted by the legacy

1542
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 1: of Jim Crow and the promise of industrialization up north,

1543
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 1: moved in great numbers from nineteen ten to nineteen seventy.

1544
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 1: It was actually called the Great Migration at the time.

1545
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 1: Remains one of the most significant internal migration patterns in

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01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 1: American history. After that, though, the trends basically normalized. White

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01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 1: and Black Americans were concentrated around cities, be it in

1548
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 1: the Northeast, the Midwest, or the West. The city was

1549
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:57,879
Speaker 1: the nexus of capital, of offices, and of leisure activity.

1550
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 1: Internal migration patterns suggested Americans were moving towards cities to

1551
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 1: either live within them or live near them in a

1552
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 1: suburb or an exurb. The trend almost never reversed and

1553
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 1: was bolstered by the housing boom floated by cheap credit

1554
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 1: up until two thousand and eight. Even with the wipeout

1555
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 1: of American household wealth in two thousand and eight, the

1556
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,680
Speaker 1: trend didn't really reverse, and if anything, before the pandemic,

1557
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 1: city life remained a major attraction for dynamism, job opportunity,

1558
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 1: and quality of life for the upwardly mobile. But then

1559
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: the pandemic struck, something absolutely crazy happened. People said, you

1560
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 1: know what, I think, I'm going to buck nearly a

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01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 1: century of American internal migration history and move the other way.

1562
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:40,719
Speaker 1: The Census Bureau is out with some stunning new data

1563
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 1: highlighting two straight years of massive change in American migration.

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01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 1: Trends in twenty nineteen. Before the pandemic, smaller counties with

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01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 1: fewer than thirty thousand people actually lost population. However, during

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01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:53,360
Speaker 1: the peak of the pandemic between twenty twenty and twenty

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01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 1: twenty one, it flipped entirely. The least populous counties actually

1568
01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 1: gained people for the first time in a long time.

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01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 1: While this trends slowed, that life into rural areas is

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01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:06,559
Speaker 1: still going up today with internal migration flows going positive.

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01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 1: Even more interesting, the largest counties with populations of one

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01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 1: million or more. We're losing people through domestic migration before

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01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 1: the pandemic at a slow rate, but the outflow exploded

1574
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 1: post pandemic. This is the major story that so many

1575
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 1: people are missing right now. The South is booming in

1576
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 1: a reversal of nearly one hundred years of history. Take

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01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 1: a look at the map in front of you. The

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01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,719
Speaker 1: burnt orange areas of the map are those which saw

1579
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 1: the highest levels of domestic migration in the last year.

1580
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 1: What emerges is not just Texas and Florida, which are

1581
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 1: certainly doing well, but a huge concentration in the suburban

1582
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 1: American South. Zoom out of the South and you also

1583
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:49,720
Speaker 1: see a major outflow from California all across Idaho, Arizona, Colorado,

1584
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 1: and even midwestern concentration places like Arkansas and Missouri. Take

1585
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 1: states out of it, though, and you look at it

1586
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:59,919
Speaker 1: in terms of urban, suburban, and exurban, it's even more interesting.

1587
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 1: Across the entire country. People are leaving the urban core

1588
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 1: for the suburbs. Even in Florida, which is doing very well,

1589
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 1: Miami Dade County is actually losing residents who are moving

1590
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,759
Speaker 1: to more affordable parts of the state. Look at Texas,

1591
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 1: same story. People left the urban core of Houston and

1592
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 1: of Dallas for the suburban areas, and the northeast trends

1593
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 1: actually are exactly the same. People are abandoning in droves

1594
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 1: New York City, Washington, d C, Boston, not just to

1595
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 1: move to other states, but to move to other areas

1596
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 1: nearby Chicago, Denver, Seattle, Portland, same case nationwide trend. It's

1597
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 1: accelerating year after year, and it shows no signs of stopping.

1598
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 1: It will change the face of America and of our

1599
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 1: culture as we know it. Our pop culture and news

1600
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 1: still exists in a nineteen eighties mindset where New York City, Boston, Washington,

1601
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:49,559
Speaker 1: d C, Los Angeles and San Francisco ruled the world,

1602
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 1: and for a long time they were the engines of

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01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 1: economic growth, of power, and the tastes of upper middle

1604
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 1: class professionals. Still they reflect that. But compare it though,

1605
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 1: to today places where actual am Americans are moving, It

1606
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 1: couldn't be more different. The top ten metro areas which

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01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 1: gained population twenty twenty twenty twenty two are as follows Dallas, Texas, Houston, Texas, Phoenix, Arizona, Austin, Texas, Atlanta, Georgia, Tampa, Florida, Charlotte,

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01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 1: North Carolina, San Antonio, Texas, Orlando, Florida, and Raleigh, North Carolina.

1609
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:22,640
Speaker 1: You notice a trend there. We are becoming more and

1610
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 1: more spread out as a country and actually less geographically concentrated.

1611
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 1: The availability of high speed internet across the United States

1612
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:32,520
Speaker 1: a few years ago from now, with technology like Starlink,

1613
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 1: will only further change everything. The once forgotten places of America,

1614
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 1: which haven't seen population growth since the mid eighteen thirties,

1615
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 1: will significantly change in their ability to attract residents. Just

1616
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 1: think how many massive changes that's going to bring. Georgia

1617
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 1: already is no longer a red state, It's purple Texas too,

1618
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 1: seems to be moving in the purple ish direction. Population

1619
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 1: growth in Arizona and outflows from the Midwest are changing

1620
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:00,120
Speaker 1: the makeups of political parties. They are changing the way

1621
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 1: our literal economy functions. The ground is shifting beneath our feet. Now.

1622
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 1: You can try to fight it, but I don't really

1623
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 1: think you can. We're in it now and we should

1624
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 1: embrace it. My major hope and takeaway is this, the

1625
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 1: center of gravity of culture is just being uprooted right now.

1626
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 1: It's upwardly mobile people who are moving with their feet.

1627
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 1: But what makes me really what we really need to

1628
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 1: do is to make this available to everyone. Choosing a

1629
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 1: new place to live if you want to is the

1630
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:27,719
Speaker 1: ultimate expression of the American character and claiming the bounty

1631
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:30,040
Speaker 1: of beautiful land that we've been blessed with, shaking up

1632
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 1: the established institutions to create a new order. That's what

1633
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 1: the benefit is. The added also, though, is that new

1634
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 1: order with the existing centers of pop culture and power

1635
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:42,440
Speaker 1: will significantly diminish, and like in the older great migrations,

1636
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 1: you get to claim a new destiny. I think it's

1637
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,640
Speaker 1: fascinating looking at and if you want to hear my

1638
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 1: reaction to Sager's monologue become a premium subscriber today at

1639
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 1: Breakingpoints dot com. As you know if you watched our

1640
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 1: live stream on Tuesday night, there is a new mayor

1641
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:03,639
Speaker 1: who has been elected in Chicago and quite an interesting race.

1642
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 1: So we wanted to get someone who was local, who

1643
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 1: could really break down the unique dynamics here. So we're

1644
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:09,680
Speaker 1: excited to be joined by Frank Calabresi. He is a

1645
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 1: local Chicago political consultant. Great to have you, Frank. Good

1646
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 1: to see you man, Thanks for having me. Yeah. So,

1647
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:17,720
Speaker 1: the general dynamics of this race, as I understand them,

1648
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 1: as you have Paul Vallas, who was backed by the

1649
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 1: police union and really ran on this like you know,

1650
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 1: law and order, tough on crime type of posture. And

1651
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 1: then you had Brandon Johnson, who was a middle school

1652
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:30,600
Speaker 1: teacher and a labor activist, who was backed by a

1653
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 1: coalition of lefties backed by Bernie Sanders, and he ends

1654
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 1: up actually prevailing, which is a break from some of

1655
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 1: the dynamics we've seen in other cities, in particular New

1656
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 1: York with the election of Mayor Eric Adams. So just

1657
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 1: give people a sort of general sense of the race

1658
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 1: and how Johnson was able to be successful here as

1659
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 1: a more left wing candidate. So I would compare this

1660
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 1: race more of the Los Angeles what happened in Los Angeles,

1661
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 1: and you had a wealthy white man who was a

1662
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:02,040
Speaker 1: former Republican, and then we had more of a mainstream

1663
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 1: Democrat Karen Bass and Karen Bass one. So the Johnson

1664
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:09,520
Speaker 1: campaign they tried to cast Paul Vallas as essentially a Republican.

1665
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:13,639
Speaker 1: He was supported by Republican donors, he appeared a lot

1666
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 1: on conservative talk radio. And what the results were is

1667
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 1: that the more wealthy areas of Chicago, the more socially

1668
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 1: conserved areas of Chicago, a lot of police and firefighters lived,

1669
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 1: they voted for Paul Vallas and big numbers. But then

1670
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:30,560
Speaker 1: a lot of the minority areas in Chicago, and the

1671
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:33,640
Speaker 1: more of the liberal activist areas of Chicago, kind of

1672
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:37,640
Speaker 1: our local version of Williamsburg, you know, Logan Square and

1673
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 1: Rogers Park, they voted for Brandon Johnson in really big numbers,

1674
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:44,760
Speaker 1: and Brandon Johnson one got it. So, Frank, a lot

1675
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 1: of people are interpreting this nationally about crime and all

1676
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:51,200
Speaker 1: it can you what are the actual issues that were

1677
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:54,880
Speaker 1: before people in Chicago. What was Johnson talking about? What

1678
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 1: was Valas talking about? Wasn't all about crime? Teachers break

1679
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:01,400
Speaker 1: it all down for us. So so crime, according to

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01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 1: all the polls, was the number one issue. However, it

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01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 1: kind of meant different things for different people. So Brandon Johnson,

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01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:14,679
Speaker 1: he's a counting commissioner. He was supporting defunding the police

1683
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:18,759
Speaker 1: as accounting commissioner. When he ran for mayor, he changed

1684
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 1: his tone. He said he will not defund the police.

1685
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:26,440
Speaker 1: And I think this election came down to just dynamics

1686
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 1: of you know, who do you trust more to handle

1687
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:31,800
Speaker 1: the crime issue. So Paul Valles he kind of ran

1688
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 1: as a lock him up, throwing away the key type

1689
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 1: of tough on crime. And then you know, Brandon Johnson

1690
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 1: ran as more of a holistic kind of you know,

1691
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 1: your progressive approach to treat crime. You know, look at

1692
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 1: the root cause of crime. So both campaigns ran on crime,

1693
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:54,599
Speaker 1: but the more mainstream democratic, progressive version of that, which

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01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:57,600
Speaker 1: is kind of a more holistic approach to crime that

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Speaker 1: one in the day with City Chicago voters. Let's take

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Speaker 1: a listen to you a little bit of Brandon Johnson.

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Speaker 1: I believe this is part of his victory speech just

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01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:07,760
Speaker 1: so folks can get a bit of a sense of him.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to that. Make no mistake about it,

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Speaker 1: Chicago is a union town by investing in what actually

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01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 1: works to prevent crime, and that means youth employment, mental

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01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 1: health centers, ensuring that law enforcement has the resources to

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01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:29,840
Speaker 1: solve and prevent crime. A city that actually respects the

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01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:33,880
Speaker 1: workers who keep it running and supports the entrepreneurs that

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01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:38,639
Speaker 1: keep it growing. A city where trains run on time

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01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:41,720
Speaker 1: and where no one is too poor to live in

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01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 1: one of the richest cities in one of the wealthiest nations,

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01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:46,240
Speaker 1: have the richest time in the history of the world.

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01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 1: A city where public schools have the resources to meet

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Speaker 1: the needs of every child across this city. Now, in

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Speaker 1: other words, tonight is the beginning of a Chicago that

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01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 1: truly invests in all of its people. So Frankie can

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01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 1: really hear the way that he framed his public safety messaging,

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01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 1: and it is sounding some sort of classic progressive themes.

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Speaker 1: I know that the numbers I saw, he won something

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Speaker 1: like eighty percent of the black vote in the city.

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Speaker 1: Working class black voters are actually an area where progressives

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01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 1: have sometimes struggled. Do you see his messaging as being

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01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 1: key to putting together this winning coalition. Is this something

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Speaker 1: that you think progressives could look to replicate in other

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01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:40,800
Speaker 1: cities or are there unique dynamics here in Chicago which

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01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:43,720
Speaker 1: really just have to do with the particulars of these

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01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 1: communities and this particular political race. Yeah, I think you

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01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 1: have to look at Chicago again. It's two person race,

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Speaker 1: right and Paul Vallas. Again it's a majority minority city

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01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:04,600
Speaker 1: to very liberal city Chicago is, and Paul Vallas he

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01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:07,559
Speaker 1: had a like a high floor and a low ceiling.

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01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:11,640
Speaker 1: You know, he he essentially was branded as a Republican,

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Speaker 1: and you know, he he had trouble on hitting fifty percent.

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Speaker 1: It's really crazy because all the polls was having him

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01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:21,679
Speaker 1: like a forty eight percent, and that's probably where he's

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01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:24,920
Speaker 1: going to finish. He was not able to grow his coalition.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not too sure that you know, a progressive

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Speaker 1: in the brand of Brandon Johnson could win in New

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01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:36,880
Speaker 1: York per se, which historically you know, vote for more

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Speaker 1: modern type of mayors. You know, people like Bloomberg and

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01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 1: now you know Eric Adams. So yeah, so I think

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01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 1: you have to look at Chicago. You have to look

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01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:48,360
Speaker 1: at both the candidates and how Paul Vallas was was

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01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:51,679
Speaker 1: kind of a flawed candidate for a big liberal city. Yeah,

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01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:54,599
Speaker 1: another question I had for you, Frank, is did abortion

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01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:58,760
Speaker 1: politics play here at all? They were obviously quite significant

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01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:01,719
Speaker 1: in a Wisconsin state Supreme Court race that we covered

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01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:04,080
Speaker 1: here at breaking points too. It was really, you know,

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Speaker 1: potentially the determinative factor in the more liberal candidate just

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01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:11,519
Speaker 1: absolutely romping in that race. But I had read that

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Speaker 1: Vallas had made some previous comments that were oppositional to abortion,

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Speaker 1: and that Brandon Johnson also used those against him. Do

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01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 1: you think that abortion politics played in this at all?

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Speaker 1: Wasn't a significant factor, even as we understand, crime was

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01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 1: kind of the main focus. So when it comes to

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01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:31,479
Speaker 1: Chicago politics, you look at local aldermen, you know, the

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01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:34,400
Speaker 1: city council members, we call them aldermen here. They really

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01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:37,160
Speaker 1: run on kind of bread and butter type issues, and

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01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 1: they run on crime, they run on quality of life.

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01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 1: You know, they've run on taking the trash out. When

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01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:47,519
Speaker 1: people vote for mayor and local officials, I really don't

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01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 1: think they vote on abortion politics or more national politics.

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01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:56,559
Speaker 1: You know, abortion was talked about in this campaign. But

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Speaker 1: it wasn't really highlighted like you see in the Wisconsins

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court race. We're obviously the Supreme Court Wisconsin. They're

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Speaker 1: going to be dealing with abortion directly. In Chicago, you know, abortion,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's going to be as safe and accessible,

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Speaker 1: you know, at least in my lifetime, because it's a

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Speaker 1: very liberal city. So it wasn't as talked about as much. Yeah. Yeah,

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01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 1: perhaps just used is a way again to sort of

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Speaker 1: paint him as like, this guy's not really one of us,

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01:33:22,360 --> 01:33:25,800
Speaker 1: he's really a Republican. Frank, tell people where people where

1769
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:28,240
Speaker 1: folks can find you on Twitter, because that's where we

1770
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:31,800
Speaker 1: found you and found your analysis really useful. Oh thanks

1771
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:33,800
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, so it's just my name. It's at

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01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:36,919
Speaker 1: Frank Calbary's. I do a lot of politics in Chicago,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I wasn't I work for the government now,

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01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 1: so I wasn't on the side. So the media they

1775
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:45,560
Speaker 1: used me a lot kind of for my analysis, and

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Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun. I was, you know,

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01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:49,919
Speaker 1: I got to be on TV a lot, nicely graduated

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01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:52,479
Speaker 1: locally in Chicago, but it was a lot. Now we're

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01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:54,680
Speaker 1: bringing out your national making me a national taking a

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Speaker 1: national Frank, great to have you. Thanks so much for

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01:33:57,080 --> 01:33:58,960
Speaker 1: taking the time. Thanks man, great, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Yeah, pleasure you. Thank you guys so much

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1790
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:22,679
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Speaker 1: single day this week, which I think is really cool

1792
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:27,280
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