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Speaker 1: Didn't really wanted to go to LuSE. Really, I wanted

425
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: to go to Syracuse because they you know, they had

426
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 1: apartments for people, you know, and I had been living

427
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: in that little tiny house. I don't want to I wanted.

428
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 1: I wanted my own place, and I was coming cheat

429
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: give me that of I'm good. You know, we gotta

430
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: get this scholarship. Just give me a part of that all.

431
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: Let me get out from all of them. So so

432
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: so as the first visit, and I wanted to go

433
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 1: mission Lorenzo. Let me tell this, I thought was funny too,

434
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 1: man uh, because Lorenzo went to Michigan State. Broke all

435
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 1: the records at Michigan State. So we wanted to kind

436
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: of go to school together. So we took a visit.

437
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 1: We took miss Michigan State visit together and and and

438
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, watching the coast and then they would watch out.

439
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: They handle me. They would give them. They were given

440
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,959
Speaker 1: Lorenzo everything, school Brook. You know he needs me squater

441
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: sneaking a sweater. I didn't know anything. I was coming

442
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 1: from Miami. I had on some penny locals and dude,

443
00:24:54,680 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 1: it must have been five six trees. Then I'm coming

444
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: from my man some penny loafers with no shots, and

445
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: we were walking through the book storing out like, man,

446
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: it's some nice stocks. I said it last said at

447
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 1: one more time, some nice shots. I hadn't nobody offer

448
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: me no say for me. I saw you sneaking sweater

449
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 1: to Lorenzo White. We got back to the room, the

450
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: riddles to me, I really like it here, I said, low,

451
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: let's just stay for you. They wouldn't even give a

452
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: cold brother some fly. So yeah, man, Miami ended up

453
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: being the spot for me. Man. Hey, so so, Michael,

454
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: you talked about you know, you talked about coming in

455
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: early in the Miami. It's telling guys, hey, I'm gonna

456
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: take your job. You had that confidence, and you had

457
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: that from an early age. You know, maybe that's because

458
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: you're always fighting right with with siblings and you're always

459
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: earning everything that you get, and there's that confidence you have.

460
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 1: But the difference between you and I'm going to compare

461
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: you to some of the guys that you know, I

462
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: played the generation after you, um, you know, and so

463
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: the difference was is there's a lot of guys that

464
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: talk you say confidence. Now, now let's let's let's just

465
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: let's talk something here because because I think this is

466
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: a very important point. When we talked, I had confidence.

467
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: But what I think drives you to be great, it's hunger.

468
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: It's hunger. Confident, it's winning. Hunger is another I have

469
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: a son that plays football, and I I like the son,

470
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: What did you want to do to that? I want

471
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: to play in the NFL. But I told him then

472
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: his name is Michael, I say, go pack your back.

473
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: You know what he means to go back back to

474
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: we're talking about it, packed his back. Then he came

475
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: back down and set right here in my office. I today,

476
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: he said, what's up to that? I said, Okay, now

477
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 1: you gotta go. So what do you mean I say

478
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: you gotta go? I sent him to stay with my

479
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: nephew and for lauded up is the one bedroom house

480
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: you know with a side room, half room. Uh. And

481
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: he's a personal trainer. And I said to him, I said, son,

482
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: to make it and do anything great and you be

483
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: an NFL. And if it takes some great it takes greatness.

484
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: I say, it's not about a skill set. Everybody can run,

485
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: everybody can jomp, and he has great and to catch you.

486
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: Everybody can do that. Your job, you're going to have

487
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: to match the hunger of the dude across from you everything,

488
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: And how can you match the hunger when you're living

489
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: in a manashi and he's playing for the manager. You

490
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: see what he's saying. So I sent him to live

491
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: with my nephew and that was when he was a junior.

492
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: He hasn't come back home, so you know he's and

493
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: still he's building that hunger. So I just wanted to

494
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: tell that, And that's what I think made somebody. Some

495
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: guys talk about they want it, then I want to

496
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: play anyone. I want to do this, I want to

497
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah you want it, but do you want

498
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: it more than anybody? Yeah? Anybody did. Then you'll start

499
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: moving way when you want it and you need it

500
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: more than anybody, because that is what feeds you. I

501
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: think hunger is the most important. Hey Jay, Hey, but

502
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: that but that that answers really answers a lot of

503
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: my question because you get you get to the highest level,

504
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: and whether that's in business, whether that's in sports, whatever

505
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: it is, you get to the highest level. You get

506
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: there and there's all these guys that talk, that go

507
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: in and they run their mouth, and but there's also

508
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: that work ethic when you get there to stay on top.

509
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,719
Speaker 1: And that's what you did. That's what Darren did, That's

510
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: what the greats do. That's what Troy did, That's what

511
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: Emma did, That's what Darryl Johnson's did. It's it's when

512
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: you get there and you have arrived and you live

513
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: in the mansion. How do you keep that mindset hunger

514
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: to be the best every single play and have that

515
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: four to five on play one, on play twenty five,

516
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: on play sixty five. How do you get that? Where

517
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: does that come from? And it comes from honestly, that

518
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: hunger being engrafted. You realize what you have is a

519
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: result of that hunger. So it can't quail all the hunger.

520
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: You see what I mean, Everything that's just the result

521
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: of the hunger. That's wail all the hunger so so

522
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: so you gotta still go. I always tell people all times,

523
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: it's it's one thing to climb the mountain, there's another

524
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: to stay up there. Yeah, you know what I mean.

525
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: That's why you have to You have to tip your

526
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: hat to Tom Brady and VELI check all the man.

527
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: Hey man, it's one thing to say, hey you because

528
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: because you got that fresh and new excitement about climbing, boy,

529
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: about hit the next level. We've never been in this level,

530
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: another level? Boy, where do we get this? You know

531
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: each time? But once you get up there, once you

532
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: get up there, that's fresh new excitement you had. Everybody

533
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: has it about it except you, and they come in

534
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: after you. It's a battle and now you have to

535
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: match their hunger. When something when you're already eating off

536
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: of the championship and still match at hunger, it's it's

537
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: a hell of a thing. That's why that thirst have

538
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: to be so insatiable, instatiable, And that's what we're seeing

539
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: with Michael Jordan. He had an insatiable thirst that made

540
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: him that great. We lost him, Did we lose him?

541
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: You're still there? No? I mean I'm sure you guys. Yeah,

542
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: Well you talked about earlier, you know, when you're scraping

543
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: the paint off and you see the people lounging and

544
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: and that's just I want to live like that. I

545
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: want I want to get that one day. So when

546
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: you did accomplish that at that point, what you're talking

547
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: about is having that that drive and that hunger stuck.

548
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: Now it's it's a habit now. So for you when

549
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: you did get all that, when you did accomplish that,

550
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: what was there a sense of fear of loss or

551
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: how did you maintain that that sort of hunger once

552
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: you did achieve whatever you were trying to achieve. Well, well, no,

553
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have I don't have a fear

554
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: of loss. Two things you're asking me here, the fear

555
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: of loss, fear loss, I always say, I measure man,

556
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: it just just travel, you know, because because I tell

557
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: me where you started and where you are, and I

558
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: will measure you accordingly, and don't just see you know,

559
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: instead of just let me seeing where you are and

560
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: measure you. When I feel, man, it has started one

561
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: place and it earned something, then then Expa, there's a

562
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: little less fear of loss because he knows how to

563
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: make that travel. That journey. So I know all I

564
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: have to do is direct my hunger in another direction.

565
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: I just climbed back out wherever I am. You know

566
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: what I mean. If I didn't reach the same hunger

567
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: about getting out, is I reached about getting out of

568
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: the ghetto and getting out of that head? Oh I

569
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: just read you know what I mean. So so when

570
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: you get the one stage, you get one stage is

571
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: all Okay, I'm here, but I feel I still got

572
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: more in me. You just keep it. You can you

573
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: can all redirect that hunger, that that that that that

574
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 1: you know. I don't think you ever satisfied that even now,

575
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: even now what I do now, I still want to

576
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: be the best at it broadcasting. I'm not just talking

577
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: about talking to people. I understand and learn before Loans

578
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: of the brain, how you understand and receive information, How

579
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: the brain works. You got a million snopsis synopsis in

580
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: your brain that helps you bring in and galvanized information.

581
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: But also in your imagination, you have a billion synopsis.

582
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: That's why they play music before any real scene comes

583
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: on the TV, because they're incorporating the billion synopsis in

584
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: your brain. They don't want you to dealing with the

585
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: millions you want you dealing with all the possibilities, the

586
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: possibilities in your brain. So it's done up, done up,

587
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: and your brain starts thinking of all the possibilities. So

588
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: anything you have done, you good, huge jump. It's all

589
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: that working in your brain. I want to know how brain.

590
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: So when I'm talking to you, I'm working in your

591
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: brain at day bade All right, let's go back. Let's

592
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: go back back, because I want to follow along the journey.

593
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: I want to bring us back to the journey. So

594
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: you're in college now, your junior year, you're and your

595
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: junior did you leave early, Mike, or did you stay? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

596
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: you know back then I would remember that you had

597
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: I graduated after my junior year and you in love school.

598
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm back then. In order to go to the NFL early,

599
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: you had to graduate, right, And this is the way

600
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: it gave me once you graduated. Since I graduated, when

601
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: I went into the draft, I had control over the

602
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: draft in this sent live not in control. But then

603
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: the sin if any team drafted me that I did

604
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: not want to play for, I could drop a class,

605
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: finish up in summer school. The team would lose a

606
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: draft chot, and then I could apply for a supplemental draft,

607
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: which so so so. Green Bay hall with the seventh

608
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: pick of the seventh pick of the draft, and the

609
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: names like Michael were thinking about drafting you. And we

610
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: were at home and because they didn't then bite juniors

611
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: at the time, to the combine are certainly to the draft.

612
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: We were at home and I started seeing Green Bay. Man,

613
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: it's cool and green and the whole family started saying,

614
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: no way, green Bay. No sweet have broke his pizza. Hell,

615
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: we're talking about no waiting. But but but I knew

616
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: Dallas would draft me at eleven. Dallas didn't even call.

617
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: They just made the draft pick. Huh. I think about

618
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: green Bay early nineties, if they'd gotten those two pis.

619
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: We talked to Troy about him potentially going to Green

620
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: Bay instead of Dallas. If if if green Bay had

621
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 1: lost the last game the previous year, they were gonna

622
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: pick Troy. Imagine if you two went to green Bay. Yeah,

623
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: but I we ended up in the right spot. But

624
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: the only time, all willing to give up something on

625
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: the front end because I knew the back end would

626
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: be so great. Exactly, no frost bite up there in

627
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboy brand. Let's be real here now, there

628
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: is nothing greater than were you talking about football? Man,

629
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: And to have the chance to do what we did here.

630
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: Uh you know that that that will last and be

631
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: talked about forever. But that's I mean, that's the only

632
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: time I've ever seen fear in Michael Irvin's eye. It's

633
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: the only time that I actually at one point saw

634
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: a glimmer of fear. And here it is laid on

635
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: that carpet. No, that wasn't it. You stay strong. We

636
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: were in Green Bay and it was a clear day.

637
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: It was so clear outside and Mike was like the catalyst.

638
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: He would go out. He walked back in. We're gonna

639
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: do this and this and that. So Green Bay. We

640
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: had to walk out this little tunnel right and it's

641
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: like it was like download walk up down the stairs

642
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: and the man with the turf on it, he didn't

643
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: have anything. All he want He tried to be out

644
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: there and go strong. He walked back down. I looked

645
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: in his eye, He's like what hell. I instantly went

646
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: back and change as they were talking with it. But

647
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: it was so cold man, and didn't agree, bait. And

648
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: they continue to remind you because they flat they put

649
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: it on minus five min whatever. Mind, I'm like, man,

650
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: stop flashing that. Man, I'm the say you know, I'm

651
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: trying to forget about it. Oh my god, it's the

652
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: worst thing in the way. Hey, that was That was

653
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: Chicago for us in twenty thirteen, who was at like

654
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: negative negative fifteen winshow game, same deal, bunch of guys

655
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: go out, no sleeves. Last is about forty five seconds

656
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:58,959
Speaker 1: to right background man, and I played Michael. I played

657
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: in Canada a year and you know what they do

658
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 1: up there. They got handles of liquor on the equipment table,

659
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: you know where you got tape and eye black and

660
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: all that stuff as you're walking out. So guys in

661
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: Canada walk grab a take a pull off of either

662
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: whiskey or vodka before they walk out and play true Story,

663
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: True Story. And I'm like this, it's Canada, man, It's

664
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: oh my god. Hey. And we had a playoff game.

665
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: It was twenty below and same deal, and I went

666
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: out and it was it was freezing cold and I

667
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: and I'm a no sleeve guy and I'm pretty fair complexed,

668
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: so I was like, clear, I was so cold up there, right,

669
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: And I go out through warm ups and I'm dying.

670
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's no way, I can't even move. I'm

671
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: not I can't even move. And I came back before

672
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: kickoff and one of the veteran Canadian guys, better take

673
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: a pull whiskey. Man, it's gonna help you, I promise,

674
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: And I did, and it just took the edge off

675
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: just enough to let me move. Man, Hey, it is

676
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: no joke. I do got a random question. Y'all may

677
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: already know the story. But one of my teammates in college,

678
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: he was one of our top receivers, and he picked

679
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: the number forty seven as as a wide receiver. Maybe

680
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: maybe y'all are another story. Why did you choose forty seven? Yeah?

681
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: Seven two forty seven? Man, they just gave First of all,

682
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: they just gave you for that time. Remember out Brown

683
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: when number forty you know, Brett Pairman thirty three. They

684
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: were giving those kinds of numbers to wide receivers, and

685
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: they gave me the number forty seven. I went in

686
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: because you know, I put it on. You know, I'm

687
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: in the mirror. Like in college, I didn't feel it.

688
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: Now you gotta remember now I'm a freshman. I was

689
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: probably the same guy. They just went and talk all

690
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: that doors about gotta take your job and all that.

691
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: I was just a freshman and right and dude, I

692
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: put the thought about it for a day or two.

693
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 1: Build up enough nerves, build up enough nerd. I said, Okay,

694
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold on to it. Let me just go

695
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: through a couple of practices with it. Man, They're gonna

696
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: through a cup of practice. See what I can do.

697
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: Right feels coming practice? I still didn't feel it so build.

698
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: I don't know when to talk to coach Johnson about

699
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: it because I wanted to get out of the numbers.

700
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 1: You saidn't you have to go talk to coach Johnson.

701
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have sat to talk with him about that,

702
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: said coach listening on. I was just thinking, man, you know,

703
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 1: if I get change my number to number four, He said,

704
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: what are you thinking about? I said, I was thinking

705
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: about putting on wearing number seven. You know, when I'm seven,

706
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna score seven touchdowns. S I mean I like that,

707
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: he said, like that, Mike, he said, I like this.

708
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: But let me tell you something. He said. Listen, he said,

709
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 1: when I see you on that field right now, when

710
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: I when I'm when I'm watching you a practice and

711
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: you catch that ball, man, and I see you running, man,

712
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: I see you look like a big seven forty seven,

713
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: just coming down the run where it can't nobody get

714
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: in your ways. To go to the end of joke,

715
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: he said. I really enjoyed watching there. I was like, yeah,

716
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kee. I'm gonna keep this. I remember, man,

717
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 1: later on I got ready to graduated. I can't believe

718
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: I let you see on me. He said. It worked, man,

719
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: but he sold it. When you talk about seeing greatness

720
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: and people and pulling greatness out and you don't know

721
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: what it is, you know what I mean. But but

722
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: just him saying that, and I'm being a freshman and

723
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to make an impression, excuse me, and I'm

724
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: trying to win a job, and just just that little thing.

725
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: I swear I'll never forget him saying just that little thing.

726
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: He said, Sweet guys, show the world. Michael Wervi forty

727
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: Summer forty seven coming down to dude, I was like,

728
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: I loved the man I went and hitting them stairs man, running,

729
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. That's all it took. Man, You're making

730
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: me say, that's crazy, that that goes down like that.

731
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's funny. So the Cowboys draft you, man,

732
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: and you come in and I know there's been is

733
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: out there as far as when you the day you

734
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: got drafted to tell us personally, what was that feeling like?

735
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: Because Coach Landry was a part of this organization, was

736
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 1: the head coach at the time, and he brought you in.

737
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: He's the one that drafted you. What was that feeling like? Well,

738
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: you know, first of all, so Coach Landry, my dad?

739
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: Who who? Who? Who was my hero? Now? Dad's a

740
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: hero man, he's a minister um and Andrew Ruffer and

741
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: he worked hard, man, but but he loved the Dallas Cowboy.

742
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: He even wore that fedora heck like like like Tom

743
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: Landry used to wear. And we used to always talked

744
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,479
Speaker 1: about going to a game one day because we played.

745
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: You know, we lived in Miami and I wanted to

746
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: go see the Dolphins and everything talk about going to

747
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: the game. But of course we never could afford a game,

748
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: but we always would watched the game. And again as

749
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: Cowboys were on the team TV all the time, so

750
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: we would always watch man so to get and my

751
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: sister told me that a long time ago, you know,

752
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: when when I first got the time, you're gonna get

753
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 1: drafted about Dallas Cowboy you know, just because that was

754
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: Dad's team and I just lost my dad my junior

755
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: my senior year in high school. So you're gonna get

756
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: drafted by the Dallas Cowboys. And I thought it was

757
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: just talk, but but but but I found out actually

758
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: when when when coaches talked to Jimmy with Jimmy was

759
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: talking to me right before the draft. He said, listen,

760
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: he said, I know what you're doing with we're graduating

761
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: early and trying to have some kind of control and

762
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: saying where you go, he says, But Dallas is thinking

763
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: about drafted, he says, and if they do none of that,

764
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: we're not gonna play in Oceananicus. And he told me

765
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: then he said, Then he said, he said, I got

766
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: a very good oil buddy friend of mine that are

767
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: it's about to drop by the Dallas Cowboys and I

768
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: may be joining. Wow, that's I mean told me that, yeah,

769
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: right right, we all I was getting drafted. He told

770
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: me that. Then he told me that, and I guess

771
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: it took a year for them to buy it, for

772
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: him to buy it, and so Tom Landry up drafted

773
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 1: me and and of course I got here, man, and yeah, yeah,

774
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: that was that was something dog to see that when

775
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: you first got here. And first of all, it was

776
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: Tom Landry, you know what I mean, It was great

777
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: Tom Landry. Man. Tom was Tom was a god you

778
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: know everywhere, and and and to come in and and

779
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: and the seat too tall, you know, the sea to

780
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: see some of the guys that I saw in the

781
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: locker room, Randy White. Yeah, I was blown away with that,

782
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: to only door sent, you know, to all those guys. Man,

783
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: I was blown away with that. So that's gotta be

784
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 1: that's gotta be crazy coming in and playing for Tom Landry,

785
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: the legend that he is. But then also the team

786
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,479
Speaker 1: struggling the way that it did right your first couple

787
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: of years, And and how was that to see, you know,

788
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: such a legend in the coaching community and in sports

789
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: and just an icon. But then what do you think

790
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: the disconnect was between the wins and losses and then

791
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: everything that Tom had done in the past. Tom, Tom

792
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: was a good man, and he give and so many

793
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: young men opportunities and and and and brought and rolls

794
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: them up to Bill Bates and all of those guys,

795
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: and honestly, you know, we're playing a sport, but emotions

796
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: get involved, and unlike unlike Belichick, who who is you know,

797
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: he keeps those things out of bait. He get rid

798
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 1: of people one year soon too soon. I think coaches

799
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: Colt held on and some of his main guys one year,

800
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: a year or two too long, you know what I mean. Uh,

801
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 1: we came in and and Kim Norton, Kim Norton junior,

802
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: you second round pick out the first round pick. I

803
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 1: remember coming in looking at saying, man, he's the guy's

804
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: been around a while, you know what I mean? Great

805
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: guys and everything I wanted to see we wanted we

806
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: were rookie, we want to see fire. Yeah, we have

807
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: fighting in Pittsburgh. We wanted the fire. And he's yea.

808
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, man, you know Haytonner calmed down. Rookie

809
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: called down and calmed down something. I just think some

810
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: of the guys, you know, I just had a loyalty.

811
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: He just hunt held on to some of the guys

812
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: a little too long, all right. So you so you

813
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: come in and then they draft Troy and Jimmy comes

814
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: in and what was the biggest difference that you saw

815
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: in that culture shift when Jimmy comes in and takes

816
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: over the Cowboys. Well, now think, well, let me there

817
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: are a lot of guys. I think. You know you've

818
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: been around while you had some security and so good

819
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: about it. Jimmy shook up security when he got here.

820
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: You know that that. I back up to tell you this.

821
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: I remember going coming in the first year. Uh and

822
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: were you're thinking telling everybody, man, I could do everything.

823
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: No where, We're gonna win. Ow, I'm here, we go

824
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: sweat it. We went out there, man, we lost thirteen games.

825
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: Thirteen games. We lost, man eat eat game. I was

826
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: crying like a baby. I mean literally, I mean literally,

827
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: crime like a baby. I'm not talking about joke crime.

828
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: I'm talking about I had been in Miami and at

829
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 1: the same TIMI I need to see that Saint Thomas.

830
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: Maybe in my three years at Miami, I lost two

831
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: or three games. I had lost these mini games and

832
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 1: I don't know how long, and every week week I

833
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: was like, Pittsburgh, donna kill Pitts first. Then we come

834
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: out early on I catch the curl. This's the first

835
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: game of my career. I catch curl. Rod Woodson on

836
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 1: the field. Turn take a thing. It's like if it's easy, man.

837
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: After last time down we storing man. Man, we lost

838
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 1: thirteen times. I was like, oh my god. And then

839
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: next year I'm thinking, oh, we're good. We drafted try

840
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: That's all I need. That's all I need, you know,

841
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: all I need was a quarterback. I'm good now. Man.

842
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: We lost fifty as. This thing is crazy, but but

843
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: but we got in it that that third year, and

844
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: and and well, I think it's most important. We went

845
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: and got North Turner. North Turner came in and piece

846
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: the offense together. You know what I mean, use Troy's talent,

847
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: use my talent into Michael, you know, with your side

848
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: with this timing offense to be perfect. And North North

849
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: had spent time with me, which was interesting. Nor was

850
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: with me the day before the draft socause the Rams

851
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: were born to draft me fourteenth Africt and Cowboys. They

852
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: went and got Clipper Andrews. So Nora was in with

853
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: the Rams at the time. Norma with the Rams at

854
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 1: the time. Nora was going to draft me to So

855
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: with Norma, we were already studying. Hearing Ella to studying

856
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: the offense. He's like he's telling me then what his

857
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: offense is perfect for you? You know, you buy it.

858
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: All that we were when we were sick. This is

859
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: when I was who I got drafted. Then Dallas drafted

860
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: me before the Rams. Rams took Clipper Anderson and and

861
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: you know North flew on back to la you know,

862
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: and and then later on we got North then and

863
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: and it went booming from there. How did the reality

864
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: of being drafted compare to what you dreamed about your

865
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: whole life and that goal that you were trying to achieve. Man,

866
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: that was everything. Man, that was everything. And you gotta

867
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: understand now, you know, you see it now because everybody

868
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 1: sees everything now, you know, you get to touch everything

869
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: in the social media world everything. There was nobody. There

870
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: was nobody coming out of Fort Lauder deal where I

871
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: came from, making it to the NFL. You know what

872
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying. There weren't a whole lot of guys that

873
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: have gone before me. They're going to the NFL. You know,

874
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: Anthony Carter was a few years ahead of me. Yeah yeah,

875
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: and Anthon who was older than the old yeah yeah.

876
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: But everything after the car so there after the Carter

877
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: was our man. You know, we're going to the Anthon

878
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: Carter so so so getting yeah, man, get getting drafted

879
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: that day, man, and going through all you had gone

880
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: through it. I went all the way back to to

881
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: feeling like that little dummy in first to second grade,

882
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: first catching that football in third grade, and and now

883
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 1: realizing that dream. That's what makes the draft so great.

884
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: That's what That's what watching the draft makes so great. Man.

885
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: You're getting to watch those guys dreams realized and they've

886
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: they've been dreaming that, just a little kid going to

887
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: playing Super Bowl, And I tell he's got You been

888
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 1: dreaming about this from the first time. Even do you

889
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: know what it's like to really walk on that field? Man?

890
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: Why would you let anything stop you if you get

891
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: in the NFL? You hear now, how would you let

892
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: anything stop you from getting that feeling or completing that

893
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: and actually playing in a super Bowl? Man, It's nothing

894
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: like it because you dreamed about it all your life.

895
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: You know what, Mike, I want you to walk us through.

896
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: You know, you go through. You come in with the Cowboys,

897
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: you win three games, then the next year Troy comes in,

898
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: you win what you win one game, you lose fifteen

899
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: straight basically, and then you have Emmett comes in the

900
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: next year and you guys put seven and nine. Okay,

901
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: so let's not let's fast forward it to ninety two

902
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: when you went into that season, because there was when

903
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: I walked into that got drafted and walked into that

904
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: that locker room, there was a buzz. There was a buzz.

905
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: It was I was anxious. We knew, yeah, but I

906
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: was anxious. You guys have been there. I was anxious

907
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: in the fact that the practices were harder than the games. Mike, Yeah, Mike,

908
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: the practices were. It was like you better be strapped

909
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: up and ready to go at practice, be warmed up,

910
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: because and we were. We were stretch with the trash

911
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: talking was going back there. Oh you can't can't imagine, man,

912
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 1: and being a young kid twenty two years old, you're

913
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: sitting there going But you guys had this feeling. I

914
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: mean you were and I've told people this so many times,

915
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: there were only a few people on that team, and

916
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 1: especially when Jimmy left that were really in the moment

917
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: like you guys were. And you were in the moment,

918
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: you understood the history of what could have took place

919
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: within this organization, like you know, multiple championships. You were

920
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: in the moment. I wasn't so much in the moment

921
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: because I was so young. But I want you to

922
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: tell me, talk to us about that ninety two team

923
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: and the feeling you had going into that season. And

924
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: you're right. And so when we go through, you know,

925
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: my rookie year in eighty eight and then thirteen, and

926
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: then Short's rookie year coming in eighty nine, and I

927
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: care my knee up in eighty nine. So so so

928
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: so when we first started playing together was the Tampa game.

929
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: Uh in image rookie year, which year we're in seven

930
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 1: to nine, you know, so I'm coming back off the

931
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: knee surgery. Um. And then then we then we go

932
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: through that year, the ninety six, we go through the

933
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: ninety one year. It's our first four year. We're starting

934
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: all together. I'm healthy, Image, we got Image, we got

935
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: and we got new ninety one. That ninety one year

936
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: we hey, GoF, we take off, Troy gets hurt. Troy

937
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: gets hurt, and and and and Berlin comes in, Uh

938
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: not not that Troy everything And any one year we

939
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: take off, we take off everything. While I'm winning, I

940
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: win Receiver of the Year in it when the rushing

941
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: title um and in it was driving home after the season,

942
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: and he's like, man like, like, we knew, we knew

943
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: we had something. We knew we had something. I remember

944
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: m McCall leeas to man, man, we had quiet. But

945
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: I said, but next year, next year, we're gonna win it.

946
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: We got it, I said, we got it. I don't worry.

947
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 1: We got it because we saw. We saw now that

948
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: we had we had the basis of something great on offense.

949
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,919
Speaker 1: We knew we'll get the right part of stick together

950
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: on defense, and we knew it would take off. And

951
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: when when you guys got there and Chucky Cam and

952
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: all that, that was over. It was over. It was

953
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: over because you see where the offense was going. You

954
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: can see what the offense was going. And then all

955
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: you guys came and solidified on the defense and took

956
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: it to a place where where where I didn't think

957
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 1: we would ever defensively, people underestimate how great those defenses

958
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: were in those years. They don't talk about them because

959
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: they talk about the Triplets, But those those were some

960
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: great defenses. Yeah, I remember, because I am sorry, Mike,

961
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: but I grew up before the Niner fan, and so

962
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: I I watched those games closely and and and no joke,

963
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: you know Steve Young and and Jerry and Ricky Waters

964
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: and all those guys early on. Man, it was those

965
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: were some battles with that defense. Um all right, So

966
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: so talk us through that feeling though in Pasadena you

967
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: made it to the Super Bowl. You had that conversation

968
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: with Emmett. But now you're in Pasadena, you're playing in

969
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: the iconic Rose Bowl. And talk us through that feeling

970
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: and maybe compare it to draft day or compare it.

971
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to because I'm a father

972
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: and I know what that I don't know what a

973
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: Super bowls like, but I mean the birth of a child.

974
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: I mean, that's it's got to be up there on

975
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: altimate experiences that you've gone through. Yeah, And no matter

976
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: what you're saying, man, and no matter how somebody tell

977
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: you and talk to you about it, until you see it,

978
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: until you do it, it's not seen anybody could tell us.

979
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: Because you know the whole time, especially that first when

980
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,919
Speaker 1: we kept seeing experience, don't matter what you mean foot

981
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: bowlers football, I was like, you, I run a twenty yard,

982
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: there's a twenty yard? What field is on. We could

983
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: do it out there in the street. I'm gonna still

984
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: catch that twenty yard and ain't that nobody could do

985
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: about it? Ain't that nobody get to it. I used

986
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: to be saying all that, and we're just we're talking

987
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: all that noise all week long like it ain't nothing.

988
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: You know, we got out there the first night out there,

989
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: we seak we sneak out. They got some party full

990
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 1: of faith, some album party mean trade O kmar Hard.

991
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 1: We all busted in the party. We're gonna crash these

992
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: people party. There's some albums celebrated parts. Were in the backroom,

993
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: we talking all we just we take make it so

994
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: much nowhere they send you back this day. You guys

995
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: keep me keep it down, y'all, keep it down, man,

996
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: We ain't keeping it down. We here were the show.

997
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: What are y'all talking about? We are the show. And

998
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: so we were acting the food man man when we

999
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: walked on that field. Emmet and I we always right

1000
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: before we walk on the field and touch the field,

1001
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 1: will touch each other. Stop double trouble. Twenty two and

1002
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: eight eight more. Let's gonna be double trouble. We will

1003
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: win this game by land off by air but we

1004
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: will win this game. We always said that right before

1005
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: we hit the field together, right, and we here and

1006
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 1: we got we stepped on that field and it was

1007
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand people and in the Rose Bowl they

1008
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: write their own and the people, I said, he, what

1009
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: did you feel that? God, sir, I remember where I said,

1010
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: don't say anything, man, if they know we got some yeah,

1011
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: you gotta look stared. But but you felt that, man.

1012
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: That was because because it's like what I talked about you,

1013
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 1: how could you not expect to feel that, man, when

1014
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: you dreamed about it your whole life, and and and

1015
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: now to be there and that that that year the

1016
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: San Francisco game, remember they were saying, well, we don't

1017
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: know if this year for the Cowboy. They made me

1018
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: one year away, one year away. We we already knew

1019
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: we were gonna be when we walked into Buffalo, they

1020
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: were like, well, I mean, we already knew we were

1021
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: gonna win those games. Man. We were that confidence. What

1022
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 1: was what was pre game? Michael Irvin like, typically were

1023
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: you the the raw rod guy? Were you quiet? Were

1024
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: you like, I ain't no quiet? You really wanted I'm

1025
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: all over the place, everybody. You better believe it. I'm

1026
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 1: all over the place and on everybody. Hey, game day,

1027
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: ractice day, every day. What do you mean? Practice like

1028
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: that too. We're running one on one in practice. And

1029
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 1: if I'm beating these dudes, man, we're catching ball coming back. Man,

1030
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: I am killing you jokers out here to day. I listen,

1031
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: I started shouting my address twenty three thirty nine. Then

1032
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: your checks that way for this clinic. I am putting off.

1033
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: I am putting on the clinic out here, y'all sitting

1034
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: there check. I was cutting up, man, because that's the

1035
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: way it takes. When you're trying to do something great,

1036
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: this physical, this physical, you have to do things to

1037
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: get your mind pass the physicality of it and make

1038
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: it an intense, emotional, m petitive battle because this is

1039
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: a physical, hard game. Man. You gotta do things like that. Yeah, yeah,

1040
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: but so many memory You're bringing back so many memories, man,

1041
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: because you know, I remember being a training cap and

1042
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: my actually it was end of mine. Actually was in

1043
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: trying kept me my first year in ninety two, and

1044
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: I remember you ran a round I've been Jimmy said,

1045
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: I want what do I want you? To go out

1046
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: there and cover the wide receivers because we were covering

1047
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: the tight ends the safeties. He's like, no, no, you're

1048
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: gonna be my nickel guy. I want you to go out.

1049
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: So were you scared? Hell yeah. I never covered a

1050
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: wide series or so he's waiting on me. And the

1051
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: first person I cover, I cover somebody. Man. I was

1052
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: like a you know, a free agent, and I knocked

1053
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: the ball down. He's like, Okay, eighty eight is about

1054
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: to come up. This is Jimmy. Now, eighty eight's about

1055
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: to come up here. But what you're gonna do about that?

1056
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, I'm not gonna see eighty eight because

1057
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: our number one corner's gonna see eighty eight. He's like, no, no, no,

1058
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: get your ass out there, right. So he runs this

1059
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: route right and it was just a comeback. He ran

1060
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: to comeback. I thought you were running to go. He

1061
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: catches the ball moving and then the practices go on

1062
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: and on that day and when I would see you again,

1063
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: a couple of one on ones and you hit me

1064
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: on a skinny post for a touchdown. But then you

1065
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: came back and this is where growth comes in. Man,

1066
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm serious. This is how you grow. You told me

1067
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: on the way about you spiked the ball. First of all,

1068
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: you had to talk shit. You talk you did talking

1069
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: spike the ball. You're telling you you ain't none. So

1070
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: you come on back. You walk me back, and you

1071
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: put your arm around me and say, look, man, if

1072
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: I if I'm what I saw is your body was

1073
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: leaning this way, and I knew I could get inside.

1074
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: He says, I gotta make you better because I know

1075
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna see Jerry, I know you're gonna see Chris

1076
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: Carter and yeah, so I gotta make you, buddy, I

1077
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: gotta sharpen you. And I see that, and I think, yeah,

1078
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: that's the part that made that team so special. It's

1079
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: because you're the great players that we had were willing

1080
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: to not only talk trash and it's sharpen you, but

1081
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: but help you and encourage you to get better as well. Man.

1082
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: And those are the things that it's hard to explain

1083
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: to the fans out there why that team was so special. Right,

1084
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: and me talking about that with with you know, we

1085
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: were lining up at the top of the edge of

1086
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: the numbers. I can roll a roll out three or

1087
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: grands eight route, yeah you know so, so so what

1088
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,439
Speaker 1: is what is right and making an adjustment. He's trying

1089
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: to every time I lined up there, I'm rolling out

1090
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: on a three route twelve yard out, twelve yard out,

1091
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: and I'm watching him. Once I got him leading, say

1092
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: a little bit to all that little twelve yard out,

1093
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: we come back with that bang age that bag and

1094
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: back then they call him a bang eight because it's

1095
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: all the money put it on it, right, But I'm

1096
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: reading I was all I'm waiting on is that one

1097
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: I'm watching every time when you line the way out

1098
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: of you step, just step and lean one way. Now

1099
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna Gleanna go right by you in gland bit.

1100
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: But I would tell him I would him, And even

1101
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: weeks we're getting ready to play, I'm like, come on, man,

1102
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: come on up being presidents just working. I need you.

1103
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: I'm trying to beat jail right right. I need you

1104
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: to do your part to help me do that. So

1105
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna whoop you right here out of blow

1106
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,919
Speaker 1: out of love so you can be prepared to jail

1107
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: to get the right to help me. You see what

1108
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So take this beating, just take it there.

1109
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: Getting you ready, man. Yeah, it was great. They were

1110
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: They were great competitive practice. Okay, so your daddy, Michael

1111
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: Ever's gonna teach lesson that. Let's go through this because

1112
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to hold you too long, but I

1113
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: want to walk you through this. So I remember the

1114
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 1: day Jimmy the breakup happened. I was in Phoenix and

1115
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: I'm back home visiting family, and I you know, back then,

1116
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: we didn't have social media. So I saw it actually

1117
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: on the news taking place, and I turned on and

1118
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: turn my buddy calls me and says, hey, man, your

1119
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: boy's acting a fool in the locker room. And I'm like,

1120
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 1: what what are you talking about? So I turn on

1121
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: the news and it's Mike throwing a garbage can into

1122
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: the locker room, like I want you to talk to us, man,

1123
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: because yeah, at the media, that was and again in

1124
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: the moment understanding that you guys were the moment I

1125
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: understand the legacy of this organization because I firmly believed

1126
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: that we could have won four or five straight with Jimmy.

1127
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,439
Speaker 1: When you watching that last dance, Absolutely, watching that last dance,

1128
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 1: you knew I said that too, what man, check that

1129
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: on my mind. Man definitely should have won four in

1130
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: a row easily, you know. But but Okay, go on, man,

1131
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: I but talk to us about what you were feeling

1132
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: at that time. Man, I mean, because you knew it

1133
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: was history, yeah, and and and and and that was

1134
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: you know, the media were all in the locker room, man,

1135
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: And I was when I heard that that morning and

1136
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: what had happened, because remember when that broke late late morning,

1137
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: that broke late point, what are you you know? And

1138
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: I knew it was some issues going back and forth,

1139
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: and I knew the media back and forth Jared stay

1140
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: did oh Jimmy. I heard Jimmy say that, Man, I

1141
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: was so hot and honestly at first, and I too,

1142
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: trash can and get out of locker room because you know,

1143
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: I put some blame on the media on this because

1144
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: they all have friendships. So you know, he's got friendships

1145
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: with Jerry and Jimmy and they all, you know, you

1146
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: snuffing here, back and forth, chirping here, chirping here, and

1147
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: things show up in the paper Jerry read, And things

1148
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: show up in the paper Jimmy read. I mean they

1149
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: stop to fire somewhat with all that, you know what

1150
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying, stoked the fire with all of that and

1151
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: made it because what do you do you got We

1152
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: just talked about it. Once you get to the top,

1153
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: now you gotta fight everybody trying to get your offer.

1154
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: And I saw that as everybody. You y'all try to

1155
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: do it too, you know what, So that is everybody. So, yeah,

1156
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: I was upset and when they came in, they would

1157
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: try to get interviews. I so I don't wan't get

1158
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: out of here. And yeah, I talked to garbage kid

1159
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: and help him get out of that. I think, y'all good,

1160
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: all of it. All of this is garbage whatever symbolically

1161
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: what it was saying. So I'm talking garbage at the garbage.

1162
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: They just put me in a garbage situation. That's what

1163
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: that was. And the media. Now what's funny about that

1164
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: is that lady her name Stephanie Julian Julie, she runs

1165
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: She was running ESPN, and that was ste Yeah. I know, yeah,

1166
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: I know Stepel, but I know they ultimately ended up

1167
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: hiring it. I went from throwing a garbage can at him,

1168
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, that was that was definitely step She was

1169
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: finding that. That is funny man, how that works out? Yeah, Mike,

1170
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: So so we've gone through everyone knows your career successful

1171
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: and that's great. But then you get to a point

1172
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: in your life where okay, it's time to move on, right,

1173
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: And how was that? We talked to We've talked to

1174
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: other guys. We talked to Darren about this quite a bit,

1175
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: but that transition from being a player to we call

1176
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: it civilian life, but to what's next? Right? And I know,

1177
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: I know you're a man of faith in your identity.

1178
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: Isn't something bigger than yourself? Right? And I get that,

1179
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: But how was how was your personal identity tested now

1180
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 1: that you're not Michael Irving the football player, now you're

1181
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin media whatever whatever you transitioned into next, what

1182
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: was that process like for you? And and and it's

1183
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: a great question because you're right, and it's such a

1184
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: divorce and and a tough process, and people don't think

1185
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 1: about it now. To give context to it, remember what

1186
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 1: I said, until the third grade, I felt like I

1187
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 1: was absolutely nothing. And football gave me my identity. And

1188
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 1: now since third grade, I lived off this identity. And

1189
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, you know what I mean,

1190
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: it's gone and and and I can't take it. I

1191
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: can't play anymore. And and it was that was a battle,

1192
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: that that was a battle, and I found out there's

1193
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 1: certain things I thought I thought of myself that we're

1194
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: not true. You know. I thought I was a strong man, um,

1195
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: But but I found out really what I was doing

1196
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 1: is switching addictions. There was certain things I could do

1197
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 1: in the all season and then stopped doing because if

1198
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 1: football came around. But then I no longer had football,

1199
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 1: and everything went chaotic, you know. There was there was

1200
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 1: no control mechanism that I could turn to and say,

1201
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: focus in right here and straighten out everything. And and

1202
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 1: that left me in a tough place for quite a

1203
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: while for me. They left me in a tough place

1204
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 1: a place for quite a while. Uh. And then of course,

1205
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: so I got on. I've always wanted to do broadcasting,

1206
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: and I had opportunities to do it, but my heart

1207
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: was still on the football field. Ye, so you know

1208
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: what I mean. And so until I took got my

1209
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: heart back off to football field and was able to

1210
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: redirect it into this area and find the love for

1211
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: this and pour into it. Yeah, that that was a struggle.

1212
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: That was a real, real struggle. Yeah. And Mike, I

1213
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 1: I was there the day that you went down in Philly,

1214
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: and it was like heartbreaking, Um, to go through that

1215
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: process when you had the injury. You know, I want

1216
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: you to take us back to the field at that

1217
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: moment when that injury happened. Take us back and where

1218
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: were your mindset wise and what you know? First? And

1219
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: I had taken some hits like falling and felt like,

1220
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: you know, I shake you know, shake it off. You know, yeah,

1221
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 1: I used to. When you take it one of those hits,

1222
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: it's like a stinger. Old body shakes, but you shake

1223
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: it off and everything. When I laid on the field

1224
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: that time, and I remember I took the hit and

1225
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 1: rolled over and they were like, uh to some like

1226
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: movie your legs across, across your legs or something across

1227
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 1: your legs, my legs legs cross and excuse me? And

1228
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: I said, uh I did. In the look on on

1229
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: the person's face, it's what scared man, I was like, ooh,

1230
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean. They didn't hide that

1231
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 1: my legs did not uncross, and I was like, whoa

1232
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: you know, and then you you I just thought the fear,

1233
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 1: the fear of it all, because that's the one thing

1234
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: I think every football player, deep down inside it's worried about.

1235
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 1: If you're asking me, its deepest heart, darkness, fear. It's

1236
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: always ended up paralyzed on the football field. And and

1237
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: to have to have had that really happened to you,

1238
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: that was that was a scary situation. I definitely thought that,

1239
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 1: uh yeah, that it was over. And all I can

1240
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:41,839
Speaker 1: think about it at that time was, man, I remember

1241
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: that morning, little Michael, we were throwing the football and

1242
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 1: did he say he kept wanting to throw it? I said,

1243
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:46,760
Speaker 1: I had to go. I had to go. I get

1244
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: you on plane the day before that. I gotta go,

1245
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 1: and and I said, we're doing when I get back,

1246
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: We're doing I get back. And I thought about that.

1247
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 1: I said, uh, we won't be able to do it

1248
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: when I get back. But but but but thank god,

1249
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 1: thank god, thank things. Things worked out and I'm doing okay,

1250
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm doing well. Yeah, yeah, man, I'm telling you I'm over.

1251
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: You're crying right now, man, because I remember it's like

1252
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: it was yesterday being on the field when that happened,

1253
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 1: Like walking out from the sideline and the guy who's

1254
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 1: been your leader all this time being on the ground.

1255
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 1: And I think there was a point of for for

1256
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 1: all of us of being you know, you have that

1257
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: feeling of invincibility. And then when you see your dude,

1258
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 1: like the dude, the alpha dude on the ground and

1259
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: can't get man, that it just it just took me

1260
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: back to that moment because then I looked at myself,

1261
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:39,560
Speaker 1: looked at self and thought, man, hey, this could be

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Speaker 1: any of us. If it's gonna happen to him, it

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01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: could be any of us. Man. And I'm glad you shared.

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01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 1: But it was just it was and for me, but

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01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 1: it didn't even seem it wasn't a big it wasn't

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01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 1: a big hit or anything. It wasn't a devastating hit,

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01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: and it was it was so hard to accept even

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01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 1: beyond that, beyond that, you know, coming I try, I

1269
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 1: try to get back on the field because I had

1270
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 1: gone to see a lot of doctors and and and

1271
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 1: basically where they were to have a stenosis and narrowing

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01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 1: of the spinal column and and and they're saying, you know,

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01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 1: maybe the next hit to be to be devastating, you know, okay,

1274
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: like you're fortunately be okay, but the next one to

1275
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 1: maybe devastating. And I really wanted to try. I really

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01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 1: wanted to try. And the whole thing was my wife said,

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01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: a baby, you know, you know how you are, You're

1278
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 1: going you're you're going to challenge yourself in that area.

1279
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 1: You're going to challenge if if I think everybody's thinking

1280
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: about it, I'm gonna show you I'm not scared of it.

1281
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: And she said that right there, she said, how can

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01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: you put me through that? Yeah? I can't you put

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01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 1: us through that? You know, I hear every time you

1284
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 1: get hit, we're holding our breath. And then I, you know,

1285
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:50,639
Speaker 1: I finally to say I had to relent and say okay,

1286
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 1: but but that it was a hard process because you know,

1287
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 1: I often joke before that saying they wanted to drag

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01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 1: me off the field. I ain't leaving, oh love, I'm

1289
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 1: not leaving the Yeah, I'm never learning to stop playing.

1290
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: And they literally ended up that's exactly what they did.

1291
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,560
Speaker 1: They geared me off to b I did it, and

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01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 1: that's exactly how the man. Yeah, here, I got one

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01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 1: question and then Ben's gonna wrap us up with our

1294
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: With our final question, we'd like to ask all of

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01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 1: our guests. But it's really clear that you had a

1296
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 1: hunger um that that really could never be quenched, right,

1297
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 1: but talk to like some of the listeners. We got

1298
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 1: some you know, whether high school athletes you know or not? Right,

1299
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:33,640
Speaker 1: because we don't want to just talk to football players here.

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01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 1: We want to talk about life in general because because

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01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 1: football is a game, right, and there's a start point

1302
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 1: and there's an endpoint. But life and and and the

1303
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: purpose that you have is beyond just the game that

1304
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 1: you play. But you came from a background that Okay, hey,

1305
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 1: I had to hustle, I had to work, I had

1306
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: to be hungrier than everyone else because I had to

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01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: overcome these challenges. What about those kids that are in Frisco,

1308
01:11:55,320 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 1: Texas or you know, Scottsdale, Arizona or Abilene, right like that? Okay,

1309
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 1: maybe their their life is tough, but not in circumstances

1310
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: that they have to survive, right, and they have to

1311
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: do something. What is it that you if you're talking

1312
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 1: to them to give them encouragement? Hey, you want to

1313
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: be great? You know, here's what you can do. You know,

1314
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: you you you may live in the mansion, or you

1315
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 1: may live in a nice house, or you may not

1316
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: worry about your next meal, but you can still be great.

1317
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 1: Because I don't think it's a greatness is exclusive to

1318
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 1: someone that overcomes great challenges. Materially right. So what is

1319
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: that your advice to those people to say, hey, listen,

1320
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 1: it's a mindset and you can control that well well,

1321
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:43,799
Speaker 1: and you're hitting some points and hitting on some points

1322
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:47,640
Speaker 1: and reality or what we're discussing. Hunger it is not

1323
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 1: exclusive to uh uh, to people without people without material things.

1324
01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 1: There are other things that you can be hungryful. Um

1325
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 1: so so so grand Hill who came up in a

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01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 1: girl and a pretty good upbringing because of Calvin Hill.

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01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 1: You see what I mean? You well, how does grand

1328
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: Hill do well because he came up in a great

1329
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 1: environment with because of Calvin Hill, well, he was able

1330
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 1: to direct his hunger, his thirst, his thirst It was

1331
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 1: or not that I need another meal, or not that

1332
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:33,679
Speaker 1: I want a big house, But my thirst is I'll

1333
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 1: do better than my dad. I want to make my dad.

1334
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 1: See you my floor, I'm gonna step on it and

1335
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 1: go higher. You know what I mean? That's my thirst, right,

1336
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: that that's my hunger. Your hunger doesn't have to be

1337
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 1: exclusive the food to a call to a nice house.

1338
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? What do you want more

1339
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 1: than anything and you pull on it to get in

1340
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 1: and need thing? You see what I mean? If you

1341
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 1: want it. I want to. I want if you if

1342
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,759
Speaker 1: everybody in your school and your family never went to school,

1343
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to graduate. Yeah, I'm going to go to college.

1344
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to be the first to grab you. In

1345
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,680
Speaker 1: the Bible they call that a hero and a hero

1346
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 1: and Bible is he who goes first because he opened

1347
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 1: the way. Hey, a pass for those that come behind.

1348
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 1: You know, we want a heroes. You gotta do something great.

1349
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 1: Want to call you a hero, but the reality is

1350
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 1: Vible says you that go first. It's something great, you know.

1351
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 1: So so you gotta find your hunger, what drives you,

1352
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 1: and then don't stop until you drive there. That's just

1353
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:43,640
Speaker 1: the bottom line, and it doesn't have to be just

1354
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 1: one thing. It could be any one thing. You choose.

1355
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: Love that, love that well. The banger that we like

1356
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 1: to end every episode with with our guests is this

1357
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 1: question and our caveat with It's not necessarily anything you

1358
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 1: would change, but if you could go back to any

1359
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 1: point in your life and tell yourself one thing, where

1360
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:13,720
Speaker 1: do you go and what do you tell yourself? Right,

1361
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 1: I am going to go in the nineteen eighty eight

1362
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 1: going to I'm going to that young Mic that's coming

1363
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:23,600
Speaker 1: in the league. I'm slapping a little butt around a

1364
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 1: little bit. I'm slapping young answer around. Yeah, you're gonna

1365
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 1: be spending my money on some of the jury, so

1366
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 1: we're not gonna wearing fifty years. That's perfect, that's great.

1367
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: And then but then I'm also going to tell them, listen, man,

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01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 1: we got to we gotta do some things better because

1369
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 1: because because honestly, man, I tell young people. Now, I

1370
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 1: get a reminisce on a history, get the reminisce on

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01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 1: the history. Even reminiscing it's great there in and as

1372
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:08,560
Speaker 1: great as we can reminisce, and we're blessed things were accomplished.

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01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 1: I'm so pissed that I did. I was in more

1374
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 1: focused that I didn't do more. I looked back. I

1375
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 1: played in three straight national championship games at the University

1376
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 1: of Mind. Should want all three of them, won all

1377
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:25,559
Speaker 1: three of them. When that year I got hurt in Shilly,

1378
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 1: I bless y'all, fel the walk again. We were undefeated,

1379
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 1: were ready to go again. That year. This got Roger.

1380
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 1: I was like, man, so you know we if Ar

1381
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 1: Williams wouldn't have happened with the one ninety four one

1382
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 1: ninety four, even without Jimmy Ware the one that year.

1383
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, all of these things, I

1384
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 1: they killed my head all the time, and I still

1385
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 1: got a great life to reminisce song, straight high, straight high.

1386
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 1: So I try to tell young people now, man, I

1387
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 1: can only reminisce understand why you are young. Right now

1388
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 1: you are writing, you are writing your history. Man, right,

1389
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 1: well take this. Don't don't let that dumb jump that's

1390
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 1: going to be there forever get you in the get

1391
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 1: in the way of you making your marks that will

1392
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 1: last forever, you know what I mean. So, so I

1393
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 1: want to tell that young dude, it's something okay, Let

1394
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 1: maybe let some of the club didn't got some of

1395
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 1: it here, you Lets some of that math go if

1396
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 1: it brings us two or three more championships, you know

1397
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 1: what I mean. Just I would like to talk to him,

1398
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 1: but it doesn't work that way. Doesn't work that way.

1399
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,640
Speaker 1: But but certainly I'm gonna look that joke up in

1400
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 1: eighty eight a little bit earth right right when they

1401
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 1: heard him that first first sign of bone them. I

1402
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 1: didn't want to be right in the room and slap me.

1403
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:51,720
Speaker 1: Let me have it, Let me have it right. Let

1404
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 1: me tell you something right now, what you're gonna do

1405
01:17:54,000 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 1: with But Mike, Man, I appreciate you, Man. I mean,

1406
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,719
Speaker 1: I've always admired you. You've always been a good friend,

1407
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: always been honest, like brutally honest with me over the years, Man,

1408
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 1: And I appreciate you for that, Man. And thanks for

1409
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 1: being on the on the show today. Yeah, and thanks

1410
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 1: man for being a leader in the community too. I know,

1411
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 1: I know you've had challenges that you've overcome and and

1412
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 1: you've had vices over your life, but you've used those

1413
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 1: and those experience and maybe those low points to help

1414
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 1: other kids, other young men avoid it. And so thank

1415
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 1: you for that, and thank you for everything that you're doing. Man.

1416
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 1: We appreciate you. And that's ultimately what it's about now,

1417
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 1: because honestly and well you know, you know, as you

1418
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 1: talk about the things that you may regret on the

1419
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 1: football filler and things you didn't accomplish, that man could

1420
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 1: have accomplished this. And also in life there's sometimes Man,

1421
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 1: I wish I wouldn't have. I wish I wouldn't But

1422
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 1: what gives me peace about it is when I get

1423
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 1: calls back. Okay, Um, you know I was talking to

1424
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon the other day, a young man, you know,

1425
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 1: because I reach out to all the young guys that

1426
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:00,759
Speaker 1: are coming in that may have had some issues prior

1427
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 1: to the onely things. Joe Mixon said, I tell Joe,

1428
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I just trying to make sure

1429
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 1: that you have all the things you need to be

1430
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 1: the most successful you can be and you know in life.

1431
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 1: And I said, you know, and I want to be

1432
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 1: a resource for you in any way. And we were

1433
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 1: talking about that, said, you know, when he made a

1434
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: bad decision, you know, he made a bad decision. He said,

1435
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 1: you know, people try to hold you to that for

1436
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 1: the rest of your life, you know, don't. You can't

1437
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:29,719
Speaker 1: let somebody make what you did who you are forever,

1438
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 1: you know, forever. And if it matters to you and

1439
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 1: you want to change that, then you can do that.

1440
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 1: And he talked about the great things he's doing in

1441
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 1: the community, and I was like, I trying to make

1442
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 1: sure that you're doing it with the with the right people,

1443
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 1: the right people helping you all of those things. But

1444
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 1: but they come to me because of those issues that

1445
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 1: I've had, and they asked my advice to how they

1446
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 1: can help, so so The only thing that helped me

1447
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 1: deal with making those bad decisions is I said, well,

1448
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: thank you are for putting me in a position to

1449
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 1: help other young men. And then young men like that

1450
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 1: called me and they always said, man, thank you for

1451
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 1: just being there. Man, so somebody we can talk to.

1452
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 1: And as you say, all that makes it all worth it, right,

1453
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:17,719
Speaker 1: It gives some key to the ignorant decisions that young jokes.

1454
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:22,639
Speaker 1: I fly some kind of peace, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah,

1455
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 1: And it's cool that you didn't call me man. My

1456
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 1: number changed and like twenty eleven, so it's cool. Man.

1457
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 1: I know sometimes it gets confusing why I didn't get

1458
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:34,640
Speaker 1: that coffee, and but it's cool. I appreciate your thanks. Man,

1459
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Appreciate you. You guys keep doing what

1460
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: you're doing. Man, difference, We appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks

1461
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 1: all right, man,