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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up everybody, d J, Bucky here for Move the

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Speaker 1: six Buck. How you doing, man, Man, I'm great, man,

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Speaker 1: I am hanging in there. Everything is good. I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to talk a little ball with you. Yeah, I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to talking with you. I'm excited to have our our

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Speaker 1: I think everybody's gonna really enjoy it. Kind of piggybacks

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Speaker 1: what we were talking about the other day about the

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Speaker 1: where things stand. There's no better person to talk to

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Speaker 1: than our good friend Bruce Feldman. So today's episode is

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Speaker 1: going to be that conversation, and I hope you guys

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Speaker 1: enjoy it. Here's our chat with Bruce well Buck excited

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Speaker 1: the show today. Bruce, we've been I thought we've had

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Speaker 1: right now, Can you kind of give us that thirty

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Speaker 1: for that. Now, I don't know how it's gonna line

431
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Speaker 1: up with scholarships, because you know, the the initial twenty five.

432
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Speaker 1: I think the n c A is going to have

433
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Speaker 1: to give them some roster flexibility in this situation. I

434
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Speaker 1: just think, you know, again, I know the n c

435
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Speaker 1: A hates to create precedent, but this is so different

436
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Speaker 1: the time we're right now that I think they have

437
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Speaker 1: to give people as much a chance as possible, like

438
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Speaker 1: you said, And I don't know what that means necessarily

439
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Speaker 1: for j C guys, because junior college football has also

440
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Speaker 1: punted for the fall. So that's another batch of people. Um,

441
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Speaker 1: it depends who you talk to, which junior college coaches,

442
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Speaker 1: how many guys can get out academically by that time

443
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Speaker 1: to be there midyear. On one thing to pick back

444
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 1: on that conversation you talked about guys coming from high

445
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Speaker 1: school and potentially being able to play in the spring leek.

446
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Speaker 1: What if a kid we were talking about this the

447
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,159
Speaker 1: other day with me and Bucky. If a kid is

448
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Speaker 1: in Utah, right, say that high school football goes in Utah,

449
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 1: just making up a state, but that kid goes to

450
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 1: the state championship in Utah, he plays fourteen fifteen games

451
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Speaker 1: of high school football in the fall, and then he's

452
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Speaker 1: going to turn around a month and a half later

453
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Speaker 1: and go through a full college season. Like I would

454
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Speaker 1: see that with how how would they be able to

455
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Speaker 1: get that through? Yeah, that's the flip side of the argument.

456
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Speaker 1: A lot of people made about why they didn't think

457
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Speaker 1: spring college football was viable this this year because they

458
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Speaker 1: were like, well, you're gonna try to shoehorn two seasons

459
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Speaker 1: into one. What you're talking about is the front end

460
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Speaker 1: of it. It's like the prequel of that, I guess,

461
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Speaker 1: And if that's the case, you know, they got to be,

462
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Speaker 1: you know, really smart because you're going in not knowing it, right,

463
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Speaker 1: Because if you're a college coach and I let's use

464
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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley and say, we know, you know what, I

465
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Speaker 1: don't know what Caleb william Is gonna, you know, do

466
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Speaker 1: on this front. But let's say you have a great

467
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Speaker 1: quarterback who's coming in and you're not coaching him, like

468
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Speaker 1: you're not coaching him on the first you know, for

469
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Speaker 1: the first half of the of his playing season in

470
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Speaker 1: the fall, so you really don't know how much they practice.

471
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Speaker 1: Is probably quarterback is a bad example. Probably, Let's say

472
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Speaker 1: it's a middle linebacker, somebody who takes a lot more contact.

473
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Speaker 1: You don't know how they practice. I mean, I think

474
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Speaker 1: you probably have a semblance of idea how they practice.

475
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Speaker 1: But then you're gonna bring him into your own environment,

476
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Speaker 1: especially with a kid who's probably unproven, you know at

477
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Speaker 1: the college level, sote years old. Yeah, it's different. I

478
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Speaker 1: think DJ I may have bounced this off you because

479
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Speaker 1: I bounced it off a few football people I know

480
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Speaker 1: yesterday morning about well what happened to the a F guys.

481
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Speaker 1: I think they played eight games and there was a

482
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Speaker 1: bunch of those guys who ended up sticking in the NFL,

483
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Speaker 1: so they basically played a year a year of straight

484
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Speaker 1: of football. And now the reality is probably some of

485
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Speaker 1: those guys are twenty four, maybe even older than that,

486
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Speaker 1: whereas you're example, the guy might be seventeen. His body

487
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Speaker 1: is not physically developed the same. I guess you just

488
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 1: have to be very, very careful, and it's you gotta

489
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Speaker 1: trust your training staff and your coaches to see if

490
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Speaker 1: that is in their best interest. You know, Bruce, I

491
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Speaker 1: had a chance to talk to a couple of strength

492
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Speaker 1: coaches and they're talking about how they normally go about it,

493
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Speaker 1: where you have, um your normal travel squad, they may

494
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Speaker 1: work out three times a week, and you have your

495
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Speaker 1: developmental squad. And so now you're talking about up in

496
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Speaker 1: the anti where you may not go into spring and

497
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Speaker 1: you have guys on campus. How are they going to

498
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Speaker 1: manage the numbers and everything that you have going and

499
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Speaker 1: then bringing an influx of early enrollees and maybe ju

500
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Speaker 1: COO transfers and try and get guys ready to play.

501
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Speaker 1: I just think it's a unique challenge that I don't

502
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Speaker 1: know if anyone is fully vetted out and thought about

503
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure they've gotten that far down the road.

504
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Speaker 1: I will say this, The one thing that does to

505
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Speaker 1: me bode well at least on that front is between

506
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Speaker 1: all the GPS stuff and all the tracking data that

507
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Speaker 1: colleges have now, it's so much different now than it

508
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Speaker 1: was ten years ago and certainly twenty five years ago. Um,

509
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Speaker 1: And you know, I think they made so many technological

510
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Speaker 1: advanced advancements, and I think the sports science people are

511
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Speaker 1: really really good on that front. So I think at

512
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Speaker 1: least they have they have a clue on it, as

513
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Speaker 1: opposed to, well, you know, our right guard looks like

514
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Speaker 1: he's not moving. Great, let's let's pull him back a

515
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Speaker 1: little bit. I think now they can measure that they

516
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Speaker 1: have such a read on their athletes bodies in a

517
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Speaker 1: way that we didn't ten years ago. I'm not saying

518
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Speaker 1: I would just kind of wave it off and go, Okay,

519
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Speaker 1: we're good on that front, don't worry about it. But

520
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Speaker 1: I at least think that they have the science in

521
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Speaker 1: that part. They pay. They pay a lot of attention to,

522
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Speaker 1: at least most coaches I know seem to, So I

523
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Speaker 1: think that part is at least I think they have

524
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Speaker 1: a handle on. I think I don't know if it's

525
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Speaker 1: how doable it is in every case, but I think

526
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Speaker 1: at least they have they have the they have the

527
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Speaker 1: means to get a get a read on, a true

528
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Speaker 1: read on it are Bruce. Last last question for me,

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Speaker 1: I'm curious on the revenue side of things, if if

530
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Speaker 1: we assume we do have you know, the power fives

531
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Speaker 1: at least go off and fall and we get a

532
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Speaker 1: season with no fans you know where we talked about it.

533
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Speaker 1: We're faced with in the NFL of a huge revenue

534
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Speaker 1: shortfall of not having fans in the stands of the NFL.

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Speaker 1: You hear different ideas floated. I've had to generate revenue. Obviously,

536
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Speaker 1: there's a new TV contract that's it's on the horizon.

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Speaker 1: At the collegiate level, what are some ideas or what's

538
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Speaker 1: being discussed about ways to you know, eventually be able

539
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Speaker 1: to influx get an influx of revenue to kind of recover. Well,

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Speaker 1: there's TV deals that are coming down the pipeline. The

541
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Speaker 1: part I would be concerned about is the TV networks

542
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: are going to take a big hit right now, right,

543
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Speaker 1: I mean, we're not there's nothing on our networks and

544
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Speaker 1: you know, like there's nine events and things that draw ratings,

545
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Speaker 1: So I don't know what those TV deals are gonna

546
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Speaker 1: look like. I think right now you're looking at huge

547
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Speaker 1: haircuts that that a lot of businesses are taking. So

548
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Speaker 1: what does that mean as the upshot? Like I had

549
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Speaker 1: an A D who is now an A D, but

550
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Speaker 1: he was at a He was a more on the

551
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Speaker 1: business side at a Power five school, and I asked

552
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Speaker 1: him for like a breakdown of what it means attendance

553
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Speaker 1: wise and the kind of the gate numbers and everything,

554
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: and it was eye opening to me and he was like,

555
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Speaker 1: I'm doing this all on a napkin, by the way,

556
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Speaker 1: and just kind of went through. And I don't think

557
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Speaker 1: that's something that you know. I can think to the

558
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Speaker 1: A D s who said, yes, this will have a

559
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Speaker 1: monumental impact on us financially if we can't play, but

560
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Speaker 1: I don't think we Nobody has a great true gauge

561
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Speaker 1: on just what this is gonna mean, whether it's no

562
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Speaker 1: attendance or twenty of the people in the crowds. Because remember, now,

563
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Speaker 1: all of a a sudden, you're factory in how much it's

564
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Speaker 1: costing for them to test players on a weekly basis,

565
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Speaker 1: and that's a lot. You're talking about so many other protocols,

566
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Speaker 1: moving workouts, different things that that normally aren't in place.

567
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Speaker 1: I don't know how you juggle the insurance part of

568
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Speaker 1: this and some of the other liability things. And so,

569
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Speaker 1: you know, schools are are are cutting sports, and I

570
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Speaker 1: think that's just gonna keep happening because right now it's

571
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: going to go under the umbrella of these are really

572
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: hard decisions and they're not good optics, but we gotta

573
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Speaker 1: do it for our bottom line. And I just think

574
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Speaker 1: right now, I don't want to say they don't have

575
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Speaker 1: any clue of where they're going, but I think it's

576
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Speaker 1: just hard for them to. You know, you have spreadsheets

577
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: of if we have five percent, if we have no fans,

578
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: if you know, like it's all over the map for them.

579
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Speaker 1: And for instance, like for the max schools that just

580
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: lost the Big Ten games last week, if you're bold

581
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Speaker 1: and green, you lost a couple of million dollars. Is

582
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Speaker 1: that money you don't recoup if the Big ten doesn't

583
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Speaker 1: actually play this fall? Like, how does how do those

584
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Speaker 1: things work? I don't know how um you know, like,

585
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Speaker 1: I don't know how they get the cost benefit analysis

586
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Speaker 1: of saying, Okay, this is worth a for us to

587
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Speaker 1: do this because we're gonna have to make that case

588
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Speaker 1: to a lot of people about the attendance. Do you

589
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Speaker 1: think it could ever real quick? But do you think

590
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Speaker 1: it could ever get to the point where it's been

591
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Speaker 1: so taboo and so frowned upon? But gambling, if there's

592
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Speaker 1: any any anything in terms of the gambling side with

593
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Speaker 1: college athletics, it seems like two things that would have

594
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Speaker 1: nothing to do with one another, and they don't want

595
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: anything to do with one another. But that's a huge

596
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: influx of cash. Um, if they ever did embrace that,

597
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: I think they would run from it. And also just

598
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: think about how risky point you know, lines are gonna be, right, yeah,

599
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,959
Speaker 1: you get to the kids. I mean, oh you know

600
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: like if if you know, we set a quarterback room

601
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: goes down or anything like that, you know, all of

602
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: a sudden that line is going to be off the board.

603
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: We know why you're not telling us who, you know, whatever,

604
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: but we know the reason. I think the gambling opponent

605
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: of it now and I think that's with all sports. Um,

606
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: you know, can you can imagine the theories of like

607
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: oh so and so eight at this restaurant when we

608
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: know the hostess has like, you know, I can only

609
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: imagine the rabbit holes people are going to go down now,

610
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: you know. I had to let you go on this

611
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Speaker 1: one because of the climate that we're in and because

612
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Speaker 1: we're kind of seeing a a reset, a global reset

613
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: with everything. Um how upset has the n C Double

614
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: A model when it comes to student athletes? How has

615
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: that been infected and impacted if we don't have a

616
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Speaker 1: season and looking at the amount of money and revenue

617
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Speaker 1: dost loss, the amount of sports that have been affected

618
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Speaker 1: by the loss of basketball and football, what is they

619
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Speaker 1: going to do to the amateurism model that the n

620
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: C Double A has always kind of trumpet and pushed

621
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Speaker 1: out there. It's gonna it's gonna dwindle so much. I remember,

622
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Speaker 1: one thing that we haven't talked about is the name,

623
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Speaker 1: image and likeness thing that is already in the pipeline,

624
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: and they don't have a great handle on that. And

625
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: so you know, I don't know, like, I don't know

626
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: exactly what college athletics is gonna look like in two

627
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: but I think it's going to be radically different. And

628
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's gonna be for the worst or

629
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Speaker 1: for the better. Necessarily, I think it's just gonna be

630
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: really really different. And for the college athletes who started

631
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Speaker 1: as freshmen this past year, from the time they leave,

632
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: I think you're never gonna have seen as much because

633
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: obviously we're going through a pandemic, but certainly because the name,

634
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: image and likeness, because the economics the issues that are

635
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: going to that, but also because I think, look, you

636
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: guys are connected. In the NFL, there's centralized leadership. The

637
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: leadership model for the n c A has never been

638
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: as fragmented and seemingly as rudderless as it is right now.

639
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: And so that is a problem, and I think it's

640
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: a problem that a lot of people. I think there's

641
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: growing frustration. You know, I had this this quote from

642
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: one of the coaches I've talked to this week. It

643
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: was like the n c as a joke. There is

644
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Speaker 1: no leadership right now. You know, you go back to

645
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: some of these things where they'll throw out recommendations and

646
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: people are just like they had a statement. The n

647
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: c had a statement about a week ago, and it

648
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: was like it seemed like it was a parody. Like

649
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: it was like, really, you're gonna put this out like

650
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: this is meant nothing, And I think that kind of

651
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: element it's hard for people to take it very seriously now,

652
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: given how dire and serious all these issues they're sorting

653
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: out are. And I think that's that's, you know, only

654
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: gonna make it that much harder for them to have

655
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,719
Speaker 1: credibility with the people they work with and are supposed

656
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: to be working for. All Right, I said last question.

657
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: This is the last one because I want to go

658
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: a little bit deeper on that. Is there a chance

659
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,479
Speaker 1: And I don't know the European soccer model extremely well,

660
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: I know it a little bit, but it almost sounds

661
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: like the n c double A could kind of be

662
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: heading towards that, where the the conferences are kind of autonomous,

663
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: they kind of run they might run things differently by

664
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: the conference, and then there's the Champions League or whatever

665
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: where you could get kind of games between the different conferences.

666
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: But it almost seems like it's going to be decentralized

667
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: in terms of the leadership at the college level. Yeah, well, look,

668
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: the n c A has a college basketball tournament. It

669
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: doesn't have any power over college football, for better or worse.

670
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: And for elements of this we're seeing it's for worse,

671
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: but also it's like, what is the what is uh,

672
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: what are the colleges getting out of this? I mean,

673
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: this is you know, you guys both live out here

674
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: on the West coast too. I think for a lot

675
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: of USC friends, for a long time when USC was

676
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: going really good, the Pete Carroll days were like, what

677
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: do we need you know, this structure for we could

678
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: be just as fine on our own. And I think

679
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: people look at whether they look at a Notre Dames model,

680
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: and again it's hard to to detach yourself from it

681
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: because yes, football makes all the money, but you still

682
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: most your athletic department is tied to other sports, and

683
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: they they've relied on the n c A for that.

684
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: I mean, and it's not to say the n c

685
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: A does do some really good things, and obviously the

686
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: value of college athletics for most of the people who

687
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: are not going to be you know, that that commercial,

688
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: they would always run the n c A tournament. Most

689
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: players are not going to end up as professional athletes.

690
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: But I think they need to find a more efficient model,

691
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: and I don't know, people a lot smarter than me

692
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: need to figure out how that is viable, How do

693
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: they make that work because right now, what you're seeing

694
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: from from certainly from the Big Ten, where I feel

695
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: like they've tried to take some put their put themselves

696
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: out there, and to some degree following that from the

697
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: Pack twelve is we need to be flexible. We need

698
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: to have flexibility right now because of things aren't uniform

699
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: and things are all over the place, and without that

700
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: flexibility we can't operate in the best way we can

701
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: so at this point. And that's what the Big ten

702
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: has done. That's what the Pack twelve is doing. And

703
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm curious as if more leagues end up going to

704
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: that model for that flexibility, and we don't know that

705
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: they will. The A C. C. There's been a lot

706
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: of talk of that, but they said they're gonna wait

707
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks to decide what they do next.

708
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: I think that could be a telling point where it's like, hey,

709
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: we need to at the very least rethink the model

710
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: how efficient it is, because is it's serving us that well, yeah,

711
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: it's probably serving the smaller schools a lot better than

712
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: it is for the people who are making most of

713
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: the money. And as they're realizing the ones who are

714
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: making the money drive everything around it, and they're the

715
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: ones who make it who basically can help it survive

716
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: or not. It's funny, DJ, I gotta get this in

717
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: because you brought this up day, but now they Bruce

718
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: just said it because you talked about college football is

719
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: kind of like to have the haves and the have not.

720
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: So we have the Power five conferences who kind of

721
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 1: do their thing, and then we have the Group of five.

722
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 1: DJ and I talked about the spring football model where

723
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: you have the Group of five and then the Ivy League,

724
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: the Patriot League, the one Double A's and and all

725
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: of those like this could be beneficial to them because

726
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: they may have an opportunity to get more eyeballs on

727
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: them than ever. Could we ever see an opportunity where

728
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: we have the Power five kind of operate like the

729
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: Champions League that everybody else operates under, that lower division

730
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: model where maybe they have playoffs and all of those things.

731
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: Because I think that's a viable option for the Group

732
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: of five and the other people to generate revenue and

733
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: to kind of carve out a spot in this college

734
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: football landscape that really allows them to get the interest

735
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: that they need. Well, I got a uh, o c

736
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: at a really good FCS program, and the guy shouldn't.

737
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 1: He's worked before in um in the Power of five,

738
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: and he made the case to me. He was like,

739
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: think we should do just what you guys are talking about.

740
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: I think we should be the ones who owned the

741
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 1: spring They football and try to find a spring league

742
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: and it's never worked for one reason or another. We

743
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: can be that we can get the exposure his one

744
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 1: problem and you guys are uniquely positioned to address this

745
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: is what are we gonna do? And this about moneys? No,

746
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do about the NFL draft process

747
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: where they're gonna be players. Look our our guy, Trey Lance.

748
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: We all love him. You know it is Trey Lance

749
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: gonna sit out the draft process when he eventually is

750
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: in the pipeline because it doesn't line up exactly right.

751
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: And how this coach made the point, He's like, it

752
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: would be tough for us to recruit some of those players,

753
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: especially in this coach is not at North Dakota State.

754
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: But you know it's if you're there are a bunch

755
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: of guys who end up picking you know, like, let's

756
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: say it's to go to stay picking a really powerful FBS,

757
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: then they do somebody are powerful FCS and they do

758
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: an FBS, And so what do you do for those

759
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: kids who can't, you know, can't get past the idea of, hey,

760
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: the NFL is not going to evaluate me, uh fairly,

761
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: and maybe the fairly is the wrong word. They're not

762
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: you know, my evaluation is gonna be dramatically different than

763
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: if I play in the fall, when most of the

764
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: prospects play. How long would it take them to get

765
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: the season done? Bruce? If you started the first game

766
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: for the group of five and you know January literally

767
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: the day after you know, the National Championship game or

768
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: that Saturday after that, how long? When when would the

769
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: complete should be? If you time that out? I mean,

770
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: let's think how long their season is now? I mean

771
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: with the lay off that the f I'm talking about

772
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: the FCS, how they have, I mean, you're dragging into April. Then, yeah,

773
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: now can you get it done? If you started January

774
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 1: one and granted some of these places again we talked,

775
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: I mentioned North Dakota State, you know, granted Dome, but

776
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,959
Speaker 1: they there are some weather concerns. But if you get

777
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: from January February March, we've already passed the combine and

778
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: we're into twelve weeks with no boy, So I don't

779
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: know if they would say, hey, we're just gonna play eight, nine,

780
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: ten games and at least get get it out by

781
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: the end of March, because everybody wants to have a championship.

782
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: So that's the challenge I think is finished off by

783
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 1: the end of March, because we know when the draft runs,

784
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: and we we know we've already passed the combine, and

785
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: you know, after the end of the season, and I

786
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: don't know how worn down some of these guys. If

787
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: you have a nose guard who's played thirteen games, is

788
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: he going to be ready to test? I mean, what's

789
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 1: his medical situation gonna look like as he gets ready? Yeah,

790
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: you know, it kind of reminds me a little bit

791
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: of a couple of different things. It reminds me of

792
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: the stuff that we've seen recently with the a F

793
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: and XFL, but really reminds me of NFL Europe. And

794
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: there's a way that the NFL europe guys were able

795
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: to be assimilated into the National Football League and Bruce,

796
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 1: I think DJ and I both know the NFL would

797
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: love nothing better than to have a major event each

798
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: and every month of the season. And so when you're

799
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: talking about the draft and the Combine, I think those

800
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: things are easy shifts if they feel like the college

801
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: landscape is changing. Moving the Combine out of February into

802
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: late March or early April, moving the draft into May.

803
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: I don't think that significantly impacts the NFL calendar, But

804
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: what it would do it would almost give them an

805
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,479
Speaker 1: opportunity to have truer evaluations on those guys from Group

806
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: of five because their season would be closer to draft

807
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: A which would enable scouts to really not get bogged

808
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: down in a bunch of the conversations in in the

809
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: window that sometimes clouds the evaluation process in the off season. Okay,

810
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: let me ask you a question. Since you guys work

811
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: for anfil network, so you guys have college games last season, right,

812
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 1: So think about this. And this is a novice person's

813
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: view of it, but the NFL has done a masterful

814
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: job of extending its brand in its season, whether it's

815
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: free agency or all the things that you know we

816
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: see year round, and it's great. I mean, you know,

817
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: I pay attention to it. But if you were to say, hey,

818
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: you know, what, um, we're going to sign on. I

819
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: keep coming back to North Dakota State because of the best,

820
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: best program at that point. But if you're even gonna,

821
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: say a group of five schools, you could have a game,

822
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: you know, two games of the week. If the NFL

823
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: was going to buy in on it and said, you

824
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: know what, um And I don't know how this squares

825
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: with with policy and everything, but like, you get to

826
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: watch Trey Lands, you are too. Draft analysts have talked

827
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: about him. You don't think a lot of people would

828
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 1: tune in to watch Trey Lands, you know. I mean

829
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: it would blow away the a F and the XFL ratings. If,

830
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: like I was telling Bucket, you mean the spring and

831
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: I got a chance to watch Houston and Louisiana Tech,

832
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: I'd be stoked, Like, give made that. I'll take that

833
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: all day long over two teams in the XFL or

834
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 1: a F I know nothing about and don't really care about.

835
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 1: You could sell people on Marcus Stevenson in that case

836
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: exactly where And then again, I think it extends the

837
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: football season. I feel like that might be the way. Again,

838
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 1: it's not my place to say, hey, the NFL should

839
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: push back the draft because five, and FCS would say, hey,

840
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: we'd be open to do a deal with you guys

841
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: for for TV to extend the season, and then maybe

842
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: and again, I don't know all the things that would

843
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: would get out of line for them, for you know,

844
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: bumping back the draft calendar and how they'd have to

845
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: rejigger it. But I do think it would extend extend

846
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 1: interest in a way that's not really there when everybody

847
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: else is talking about pictures and catchers or the padres

848
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, yeah, and and and and a deserved

849
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: shot because we've heard DJ take shots. But but look,

850
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: it would be no different in baseball because Baseball's draft

851
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: kind of goes on while baseball season is being conducted.

852
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: We see high school players and college players drafted in

853
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: the middle of the college World Series and the life.

854
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: So I don't think it would change that much. I

855
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: just think it makes too much sense because Bruce, I'm

856
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: a football jackie. J's football Jackie. You obviously are as well.

857
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: Just think about the amount of interest that you see

858
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: it at the A day games. Spring football draw those

859
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: numbers because we're thirsty for football. I just think it

860
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: makes so much sense instead of trying to fight the

861
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: power five man, go carve your own lane and you

862
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: can kind of be the key of the spring because

863
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: it is going to overwhelm every other sport that is

864
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: on display. We've seen it happened time and time again.

865
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: Yeah again, I come back to the element of discovery.

866
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: If you could portray like I mean, just anecdotally, like

867
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: the Trey Land story, I did it blew up. You know,

868
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: production wise, I saw you know, even K Johnson, not

869
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: to the same extent, but uh slot receiver from South

870
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: Dakota State. There's an element of of who is the

871
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: new guy or whatever, and so you know, I it's

872
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: not a coincidence that a lot of draft sites do

873
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: their too early top you know, first round, right after

874
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: the last draft. People can people freak out? Yea, yeah,

875
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 1: so if you and I'm not saying that's the only

876
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: reason why people should want to watch a Marshall Middle

877
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: Tennessee State game or something, but I think under the

878
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: eyes of that, I think they could sell it as

879
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: a work around. And again, I think people would tune

880
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: in because people are desperate for football. And you know,

881
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: at that point, you think about like all the coaches

882
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: that would be watching and saying, oh, these guys. Do

883
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's like they actually have a chance to

884
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: study it. Most coaches. I don't think I've ever seen

885
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: some of these teams play in real time because they're

886
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: always playing, you know, on their own time. So I

887
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: think even that element would be kind of fascinating to

888
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: see it happen and getting its own own stage. And

889
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: we could go down a million rabbit holes because they

890
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: you just said that, and I'm sitting here thinking like,

891
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you imagine the power five coaches watching

892
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: the group of five play in the spring. I'm gonna

893
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: recruit him. I'm gonna take him. He's a graduate transfer,

894
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: he can come in. I mean they it would be

895
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: fun though. It would just create a conversation throughout the

896
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: entire year. Alright, We've got to let you go. And

897
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: I was planning on keeping you from like ten fifteen mins.

898
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: We went over forty minutes because we just, uh, it's

899
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: so fun to talk with you, man, but I have

900
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: it's pretty soggy right now. That yeah, what do we got?

901
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 1: What is that captain crunch? What do you working on now?

902
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: That is multigrain shareos. It's really okay, all right, well

903
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: go get your get your Chris, thanks for your time

904
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,479
Speaker 1: about You're the best. Always pleasure. Thank you guys. Well Buck,

905
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: I mean we could have gone on for another two hours.

906
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: Every every answer to every question brought up another, you know,

907
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: thought of where what could happen and where things could go.

908
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: But I think we're onto something here with this whole

909
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: group of five going in the spring. No, look, man,

910
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: I think it's a fantastic idea. I think we've seen

911
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: TV teals and stay football is king, so imagine in

912
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: both areas. We know that the NFL dominates whenever they

913
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: kick off, from the time they kick off in August

914
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: all the way through the beginning of February. College football

915
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 1: also is a dominant force. But to split up college

916
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: football where you have Power five conferences operating in the

917
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: fall and then Group of five and fcs dominating the spring.

918
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 1: Man you talk about twelve months of football, I don't

919
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: think people could get enough of it. And I'm just

920
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: thinking about all the money that has been lost when

921
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: this time you talk about TV revenues, everybody being affected,

922
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: the gate or whatever. Imagine the TV opportunities that they

923
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: will be able to recoup some of their losses by

924
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: being able to draw big numbers, advertisers, sponsorships to be

925
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: able to make up for some of the money that

926
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: they lost. Yeah, and when when you're talking about the

927
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: difference with the Power five not having the n C

928
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: Double A, I know what Bruce was saying, like they

929
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: don't govern the playoffs and all that kind of stuff,

930
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: But there are rules n C Double A rules obviously,

931
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: they govern all of those conferences in the same way.

932
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 1: I don't think I think we're headed away from that.

933
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: I do. I think you're gonna see the SEC with

934
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: the name, image and likeness might say, Okay, we're unlimited,

935
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: you can make as much as you want. Um blah

936
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: blah blah. This set of rules for for that conference,

937
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: and then the Big ten or the PAC twelve maybe

938
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: they have caps on it, maybe they have different rules

939
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: in terms of we want to be able to take

940
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: in more scholarship players. Are fewer scholarship players, they're not

941
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: going to be beholding to all those same rules. They

942
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: can operate independently in their league, and then they could

943
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: kind of get together and say, Okay, once we do this,

944
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: we'll take the best player you know, whoever wins each

945
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: of our leagues. They go play each other in a

946
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: in a playoff type of atmosphere. I mean, I just

947
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 1: think it would be outstanding. And if you could create

948
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: that the playoff thing, because I think that would be

949
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: the thing that drives it over. I watched those playoff

950
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: games in December. I love watching those teams play, and

951
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: I think there's a level of intrigue that everyone would

952
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: get on because not only the the FCS Division one

953
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: schools where we talk about North Dakota State or whatever,

954
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: but what about some of those other schools, the mount

955
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: unions that we've seen, Wisconsin, Whitewater and in those schools.

956
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: It would really give us an opportunity to see ball

957
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: played at a different level. And I'm one of those

958
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: that believes all ball is good ball. To have an

959
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: opportunity to really dive in and see those guys. And

960
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: Bruce made an argument about how do you convince those

961
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: guys that may have NFL aspirations or whatever, Like, I

962
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: understand that, but I also understand you're actually building a

963
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 1: bigger brand and platform for those guys. You're a Division

964
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: three or Division two player, everyone doesn't really get a

965
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: chance to see and appreciate your game in the spring.

966
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: Now all lives would be on you. You would have

967
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: an opportunity to really be a start leverage your platform

968
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: and to your civilian life going on. Because everyone has

969
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: an opportunity. It would give TVs, TV Networks an opportunity

970
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: to build stars in those leagues that don't necessarily exist

971
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: in the fall, no doubt. Um, it's it's fun. It's

972
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: fun conversation, Um, and anything you're working on, Buck, that

973
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: we want to get out there for everybody. No, I'm

974
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: just rehasking the conversation that we had, Like, if we

975
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: don't have preseason football, what does it mean for the teams? Um?

976
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: I took a take off of something that we've talked

977
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: about on defense, the defensive quartets, meaning most teams are

978
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: built the championship teams two pass rushers, one second level defender,

979
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: a linebacker, and someone in the secondary that are blue

980
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 1: chip players. Who are the five best teams with defensive quartets?

981
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: I love that. Be on the lookout for that. NFL

982
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: dot Com slash Bucky Brooks. Also, the TV show is

983
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: going to return next week. That's Thursday, July six pm

984
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: Eastern Time on NFL Network, So you can be on

985
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: the lookout for that. And Buck, I'm having fun. Man,

986
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: I told you that was my little project with my

987
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 1: my YouTube page. So I got my YouTube page up. Um,

988
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: just kind of parting around on there, throwing some different

989
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: I saw you put some you actually put some graphics. Yeah,

990
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: like like, don't live on my college staff, don't still

991
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: my college steff. I got working on this thing right now.

992
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: Oh you got some answer as you got some people

993
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: working for shout out to Mica, Mica doing good work

994
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: for me. Man. Okay, I see, I see what you're doing.

995
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: You get there and they get their internship, they get

996
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: their internship, I get my graphics. Everybody wins. Okay, I

997
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: see you followed the fifth steps of a four more

998
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: general manager and you got a little dream team working

999
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: behind behind the scenes. That's right. That's what we're that's

1000
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: what we're working on, man. Man. But it's fun, like

1001
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 1: I'm having fun. I'm just kind of taking different ideas,

1002
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: different things that we've talked about and and kind of

1003
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: repackage them and then put them on there so that

1004
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: it can live on there. It's really easy to find.

1005
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: It's just YouTube dot com slation of the sticks. But

1006
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to kind of seeing where it goes.

1007
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: I feel like when you kind of set up your

1008
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: own page, you kind of get the sea behind the

1009
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 1: hood and you can kind of say, Okay, this kind

1010
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: of works, this doesn't work, this is too long, This's

1011
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: is too short. It's been a it's been a fun

1012
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: learning process. Meanwhile, I've been working on a YouTube channel myself,

1013
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: but it's not for me, it's for my son. I've

1014
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: been putting his baseball I've been putting his baseball stuff

1015
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 1: up there because we're in the middle of head into

1016
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: a senior year. This pandemic has kind of crushed all

1017
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: the baseball showcases, so Dad has had to be a

1018
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: little more proactive trying to get his stuff out, even

1019
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: though he had an abbreviated season. So I too, have

1020
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: been playing tips from movie movie maker and uploading and

1021
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: all that other stuff. It's it's quite it's quite the challenge.

1022
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: I'm not quite ready to be a YouTube star, but

1023
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: it is. It's definitely an interesting outlet to use. I'll

1024
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: just say this, I signed up. I have a Twitch account.

1025
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I have a Twitch account, saying video

1026
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: games too. No, No, that's that's what idea. I'm exploring

1027
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: different form buck. I'm exploring different formats, but there's some

1028
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: cool things coming. I don't I'm not putting that out

1029
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: there yet where it is because it'd be embarrassed that man,

1030
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: we saw it. But uh, it's gonna I'm learning. I'm

1031
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: trying the forty two. I'm a young forty two buck. No,

1032
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: it's a big deal. It's funny that you talk about

1033
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: the Twitch thing. My son has been on Twitch for

1034
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: a few years, and uh, it started when he was

1035
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: playing League of Legends, like a video game, and he

1036
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: would go and watch people play video games and I

1037
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: was like, what are you doing, Oh, I'm watching this

1038
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: guy VA. But with the explosion, with the explosion of

1039
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: e sports and the explosion of people utilizing what I

1040
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: would call it like these these off grand platforms, I

1041
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: do believe that there is a lane that can be

1042
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: utilized to kind of elevate and amplify your voice. No doubt. Anyway,

1043
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: it's fun, man. We're just kind of trying to learn

1044
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: every facet of our life here as we go forward.

1045
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: But that's gonna do it for us today. I hope

1046
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 1: you guys enjoyed that conversation. Thanks to David Singer for

1047
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: for booking our buddy, Bruce. Thanks for Bruce, for being

1048
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: so generous this time. That's gonna do it for us

1049
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: today and we'll catch you next time. Right here on,

1050
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: move the sticks. I want what you have got before

1051
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: to love. What you have got before to love