WEBVTT - ATS REWIND: Ricky Williams | ALL THE SMOKE 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:26.920 H m hmmm mm hmm. Welcome back all the smoke 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:29.280 for twenty edition. 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:36.800 Yes, sir Jack, what's the good full of these burgers? 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:40.080 I just had shut out the burn and that big 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:41.880 old blunt I had after that, So. 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:44.240 It's four twenty brother with me, just bad with me? 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:44.520 Yeah. 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:48.280 Man, we got a very special guest today, a pioneer 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:52.360 in the cannabis space but also amazing athlete. 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:54.160 Welcome to the show, Ricky Williams. 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:55.520 What up man? Well? 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.200 Brother, yeah good, thanks for being here. And we rolled 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:00.920 them up some of this bond bonds. This leaves bonbons, 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:04.080 so we'll enjoying this seven leaves bomb bond on this 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:06.920 special four to twenty episode. Man, what is the present 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:08.240 day looking like for Ricky Williams? 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:08.880 These days? 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:11.280 I mean a lot of this, okay, A lot of 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:14.760 smoking and a lot of talking. So I have a 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:16.840 couple of businesses, so I wake up and handle like 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:20.039 business stuff, and then the afternoons, my side hustle is 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:22.559 I do professional astrology readings. 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:25.760 So really we'll talk to people like three people a day. 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:27.040 So you read cards. 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.120 I read cards, but more I read astrology charts. So 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.160 people give me their birth information and then I look 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:34.360 at where the stars and the planets where when they 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:36.600 were born and just try to give them some insight. 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:37.840 How long does that take because I want to do 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:43.559 that shit after the episode? Yeah, I mean, no, that's dope. 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:45.000 We got what got you into that? 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:48.320 So back in two thousand and four, when I retired 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:50.680 from football, I just started traveling around the world and 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:52.920 I met this lady and she started talking to me 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:55.640 about shit, and it's just like I lost it, just 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:57.480 blew my mind and gave me some direction, and so 0:01:57.560 --> 0:01:59.880 I say, like, whatever that is, I need to like 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:00.760 get some of that. 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:02.360 Tap into it. Yeah, that's dope. 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:04.960 With the NFL Draft around the corner, are you still 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:06.800 locked into football all you pay attention at all? 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:08.840 Or you kind of removed yourself from that now. 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:10.680 If it's on, I can't help but be all the way, 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:14.240 all the way in it, So, but I don't watch 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:14.720 it that much. 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:15.480 It's funny. 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.160 I was watching the Super Bowl with my wife and 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:20.320 we got married after I finished football, and so she 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:23.560 never really seen me watch sports, and so the game 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:25.200 was on and I just was so locked in. 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:28.600 She's like, who are you? 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:34.480 Yeah, yeah, do you do you miss it at all? Obviously? 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:36.400 You know we're going to get into how decorated your 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:39.679 career was. You chose to step away obviously a little 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:43.959 sooner than than you could have, but miss it at all, obviously, 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:45.720 you say when you when you watch you still locked 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:48.440 in thoughts on just the sport as a whole. 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:50.519 You know what I miss and what I loved about 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:52.600 it was it was one place I could go every 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:54.920 day and I could just like put it all on 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.839 the table and just everything and it wasn't too much. 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:01.359 And I missed that where everyone is aligned with the 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:03.040 same goal and. 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:05.000 No excuses, just get to work and get it done. 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:05.680 I missed that. 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.000 Talked about talk to us about your upbringing the San 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:09.600 Diego what was that like? 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:12.240 So I guess, like a lot of people that grew 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:16.040 up in time, I grew up, my parents split up, 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:20.200 and really my mom was more like a dad anyway, 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:22.440 and so I just had like a mom that was just. 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:23.520 About it, super mom. 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:26.520 Yeah like that, And so it just taught me how 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:30.320 to be tough and and above everything. She just taught 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:32.520 me that life ain't gonna be fair, don't expect it 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:34.320 to be, to make the most of every situation. 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:38.880 My mom's mom similarly the same way Like, So, having 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:42.119 a strong mother like that at a young age, did 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:43.000 you have to. 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:46.680 Change the decision making Nope, Nope, because my mom's My 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:49.320 mom's thing was she wasn't like, don't do stuff. She 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:52.240 was like, if you do something, like be smart enough 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:53.920 to get away with it, and if you're not, like, 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.440 take your lumps to learn. And so it just was 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:59.640 really an attitude that that allowed me just to go 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:00.000 for it. 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:00.760 Right. 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:02.640 It's been said that even at an early age, you 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:05.400 had a profound outlook on life has been an adventure. 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:06.880 Talk about that. 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:08.920 That's just from church. I think, yeah, you know, just 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:10.560 going to church, and I was one of those kids. 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:13.280 I just was always locked in until whatever the preacher 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.800 was saying, whether he was living it or people were. 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:17.240 Living in I just will take it up. I was 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:17.680 locked in. 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.359 And so, like I said, my first role model, just 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:23.720 because I was exposed to him every week, was was 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:27.240 Jesus and the idea like he really didn't care what 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:29.000 people thought. He just was willing to go for it. 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:31.520 So I picked that up and I tried to live 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:32.279 that out of my life. 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:33.800 It's not a bad role model to have. 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:36.200 Yeah, church started to become an issue when I got 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:38.720 like fifteen and they started to talk about that way 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:39.559 till you get married. 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:46.080 I was like, wait a minute, I don't know when 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:48.160 did sports of martial laws come into play? 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:49.440 Early early? 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:52.440 I remember in kindergarten we had this teacher and she 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.360 was really big at the fitness and so she would 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:56.080 make us run two laps around the field. 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:57.560 And I remember the first day I was like, man, 0:04:57.560 --> 0:04:57.960 I don't. 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:01.080 Feel like But then after two days, I just got curious, 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:03.279 like what if I was the first one like to finish? 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:05.560 What I would feel like? And I just took off 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:06.880 and I never stopped. 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:10.680 Now got that feeling that I realized I could do 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:12.760 something or something I was could be the best at 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:14.960 and I just I just leaned into. 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:16.000 That's a feeling. 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:18.600 Patrick Henry High School in San Diego. We got another 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:21.680 San Diego guy behind the camera. What school did you 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:27.599 go to? Big fella? The Saints Saint Augustine. Football and 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.080 baseball were the two sports in high school you chose 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:33.440 to run with. Tell me what you loved about each 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:33.800 of them. 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:36.840 Okay, what I loved? So baseball was my first love 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:39.880 growing up in San Diego. Watching Tony Gwen, I thought 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:42.680 I was gonna be like the next Tony Gwy and 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:44.400 my my stepdad was. 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.159 He was Pandomanian and he just loved baseball. 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:48.600 So it just was like he taught me how to 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:50.640 play baseball, and it just was that thing. Because my 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:52.440 mom told me when I was seven, she said, you 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:54.800 are going to college and I am not paying for it. 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.440 So I knew I had to had to do something, 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:00.200 but I thought it would be baseball. Kept playing in 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:03.360 football came along. I started playing when I was eighth grade. 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:05.080 I just was so much better. 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:06.760 It just always a running back. 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.320 I love playing defense too. Offense always, yeah, I love 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:10.640 to hit. 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:14.120 I could see you, big strong, thick ass out there 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:18.240 popping people exactly. Yep, you end up taking a scholarship 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.200 to Texas. What other colleges were in play at the time. 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:22.000 I pretty much. 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.320 Could have gone to any college. I took my recruiting 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:25.080 trips to Berkeley. 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:26.760 It seems like you would have fit into Berkeley. It 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:27.880 wasn't your thing, you know. 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.120 So I decided when I was a kid, I wanted 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.520 to be a professional baseball player, but I decided I 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:35.200 wanted to be a college football player. So my whole 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:38.320 thing about was a college football experience. So I went 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.320 to I took a trip to SC. Close to going 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:44.400 to SC, took a trip to Texas, Notre Dame, and 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:46.320 at the end of the day Texas just you know, 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:49.640 I was looking for that that the program where they 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.039 were almost on top and they just needed a couple 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:53.919 of missing pieces and I could be that missing piece. 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:56.480 Yeah, I'm looking for it. But I knew I had 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:57.360 to start as a freshman. 0:06:57.400 --> 0:06:59.080 I knew if I was on the bench, like if 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:01.120 I had a red shirt out, I wouldn't make it. 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:01.320 Uh. 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:03.760 I got to go in and flight. Yeah, straight up. 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:05.520 I had to feel that San Diego has a rich 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:09.080 history of Heisman Trophy winners. When you were able to 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:10.440 bring that home, what did that mean for you? 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:12.840 It's interesting we have four we actually have four Heisman 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:13.440 Trophy winners. 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:16.480 So you run back Reggie Bush, Marcus Allen. 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:17.200 And Rashon Saloon. 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.320 Rashon Salon, Yeah, he went he was a husky, right, he. 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.600 Was a buffalo. He's a buffalo. 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.640 Okay, yeah, okay, Colorado, yeah, okay, Yeah, Well what did 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:28.160 that mean? Obviously, such a rich, rich history of great 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.000 running back from that area, and you were able to 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:31.760 continue to carry on that tradition. 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.320 No, Like it might sound cheesy, but it was one 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:37.160 of those things where I just I reflected back on 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:39.520 all the people that helped me get to that place, 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.640 and just reflected on my upbringing and how when I 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:44.760 was a kid, I had dreams and realized like all 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:46.600 the people that had to show up to help me 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:48.960 achieve those and I was just one of those moments 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.400 where I accomplished something and I knew I had to 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:53.520 do the work, but just realizing how many other people 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:56.880 it took the hell handle, yeah, and feeling like hoping 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:59.200 that all the people, you know, because I was a 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:00.960 knucklehead some time when I was a kid, a lot 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.320 of people had to like let me slide and forgive 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:05.280 me and give me second chances, and just thinking of, 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:07.960 you know, all those people hopefully at that moment where 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:09.920 they saw me receiving the trophy that they felt like 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:10.680 they were part of it. 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:11.640 Right, that's special. 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:16.040 Ninety five to ninety seven, you played minor league baseball 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:16.800 with the Phillies. 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:17.760 What was that like? 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:20.120 It was horrible? 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:24.720 It was horrible, but it helped me grow up though, Okay, 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:25.520 it helped me grow up. 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:28.640 So this is what you're I was out of high school. 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:31.400 So I left even like three days before I graduated 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:32.320 from from high school. 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:35.040 I got on a got on a plane and flew. 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:38.880 To Martinsville, Virginia, which is this tiny little town in Virginia. 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:41.800 In Virginia, and I was eighteen. I was like in 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.280 the South, staying with this dude named Bobby and punkin 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:46.040 in this house. 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.360 It was it just was culture shock, and I was 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:51.080 I was just homesick. It just was. 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:53.360 It was hard, but it was it helped me grow up, 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.680 right because like minor league baseball, you made eight fifty 0:08:56.760 --> 0:09:00.240 eight to fifty a month, and it's like you're even 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:01.480 with others. 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:03.480 A grind. 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:06.160 What was the baseball? How was the baseball part? I struggled. 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.960 I struggled, do you think mentally because it was such 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:12.640 an adjustment mentally that you struggled obviously on the on 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:14.320 the actual sports side of it. 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:14.680 Yeah. 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:16.560 If I'm being real, like you know, I'm kind of 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:18.760 a sensitive person and so if I don't feel like 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:21.959 comfortable in my surroundings that I like, I don't act right. 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:24.680 But if I feel comfortable, I can handle anything. 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:25.280 If I okay. 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:27.280 And so it just took me a while to figure out, 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:28.800 like what that sweet spot is for me. 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:32.160 Baseball. I get it was rough, but I grew up 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:33.240 because I would. 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:35.800 Go I went from minor league baseball straight to my 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:38.679 freshman year playing football, and then I would go back 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:40.520 to baseball and then back to football. So I would 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.199 go from you know, everybody like being the best, to 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:46.160 you know, just being a dude on the bus swinging 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:46.480 the bat. 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:47.719 So it kept me, It kept me home. 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:48.840 Yeah, definitely. 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:51.079 Let me ask a question. Were you cool when the 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:53.679 basketball players when you were Texas? I was Who were 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:54.080 you cool with? 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:56.680 I was cool with when I was in school with 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:57.240 Chris Klack? 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:01.800 Chris Clack. I played against him in state championship my 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.439 junior year. Yeah, Rich clag Yeah. They went to Austin 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:07.120 Edison Yeah yeah, sure, yeah sure. 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:12.800 Also Reggie you know Reggie FREEMANGI yeah he was. 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:14.640 He was a senior when I when I got there. 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:17.120 Did you know bj Tyler? I did? I sure did. Yeah, 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.720 so we're from the same hometown. Put off the text, Okay, 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:20.600 yeah for sure. 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:20.960 Yeah. 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:25.760 We had a James Brown, a quarterback with some portar Yeah. 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:26.080 Yeah. 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.199 Despite being a high first round projected picking none of 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.080 the eight you tried to decide to go back to 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:32.360 school for your senior year. 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:34.080 What made that jump in a time? 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:35.960 Actually you were a little early, but everyone is so 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:38.320 eager to jump now you actually decided to go back 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:39.400 and finish. 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:41.440 Like I said, when I was a kid, my goal 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:43.320 wasn't even really to go to the NFL. It was 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:44.640 to be a college football player. 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:46.680 But I'm not gonna lie. After I had my junior 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.240 I led the nation in Russian and scored. I was 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:52.120 thinking that going to the next level. And then I 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:54.520 was sitting in our media guy's office and he had 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:56.720 one of those almanacs on his desk, and so I 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:59.440 started flipping through it, and I flipped through to the 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:00.560 record for all time. 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:02.280 Leading rusher in college football history. 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:05.080 And I looked and I saw, like, damn, if I 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:07.840 have a similar year and I had last year, I 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:11.160 could be like most ever. And I flipped a couple 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:13.520 of pages to touchdowns and the same thing. I was like, 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:16.160 I got it. Then I went to all purpose yards, 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:18.079 did the math. I was like, Okay, if I come back, 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:18.800 I knew it was a risk. 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:19.600 If I come back. 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:21.880 And have the same kind of year, you know, I 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:24.520 could break all these records with their reach. 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:28.080 Yeah, And I couldn't. I couldn't. So what was it like? 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:31.520 Obviously the college experience of self, but then knowing what 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:34.600 was on the line, really studying it and knowing what's 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:36.280 on the line your senior year. What was that senior 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:38.640 year like with all the attention you received, you. 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:42.880 Know, for real, it's when I started smoking. That's when 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:46.960 it all started. Because I came back everything on the line. 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:49.960 I was focused, and within the first couple of weeks 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:52.640 I had, I had a bad game against Kansas State 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.320 and I found out that my girl for like two years, 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:57.760 was like messing with the quarterback on the team. 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.360 On your team, on the other team on my dude 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:02.080 handed me the ball. 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.320 So so I was sick, and you know, I was 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.400 trying to be like the better person, to not make 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:09.160 a big deal and like mess up the whole season. 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:11.160 But at the same time I was. I remember I 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:13.640 was sitting there at home after the game. I was 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:15.079 just like, why the fuck did I come back for 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:17.319 this ship? Like, you know, my mind started early in 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:19.160 the season. Early in the season, my mind started going 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:20.880 to like I should have gone, I should have I 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.679 should have left, and my homeboy, like he's a smoker 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:28.080 and he's like, dude, you just need to chill. 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.040 He slid his ball over. 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.400 I hit it, and it was I had smoked a 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:32.960 little bit, but it was the first time where I 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.560 where I noticed that It took my mind off of 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.880 obsessing about the bullshit and I started thinking like about 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:41.680 next the next game and and no lie back to 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:42.680 back three hundred yard. 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:47.360 Rush after after that the first time seeing and I 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:49.600 loved that. Obviously we're going to get into it. You 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:51.880 were really a pioneer in this space as far as 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:52.520 just going to be. 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:53.520 Out forward with it. 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:59.079 But to see where medicating is in sports today and 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.920 kind of knowing after that first ball hit that shit 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:02.880 really changed your life. 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:04.120 Yeah easy to say. 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:08.679 I mean throughout your career knowing you needed that. How 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:14.320 how do you look at today's current policy for current athletes. 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:18.160 I think it's it's changing, thank goodness. But you just 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.160 said I needed it. And so when I got into 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.920 the league, Yeah, that's the right word. 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:23.920 I'll tell you why. 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.760 So I got in the league, and and when I 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:28.600 first got the league, I wasn't really smoking that much. 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:30.400 I smoke every once in a while with the guys, 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:32.640 but we're only being tested one time a year and 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:34.720 it was in training campra when I was with the Saints, 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:36.640 and so I never had an issue. And then I 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.280 was my third year, I kept getting hurt, and so 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.440 I started smoking a little bit more when I was hurt. 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:43.240 And then I got traded to Miami, and then I 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:47.120 started smoking a lot, and and nobody told me that 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:49.320 in Miami they drug test in the off season. So 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:50.880 I came to work one day and they were like, 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:53.520 you know, and then they got they put me in 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.720 the program. And when they put you in the program, 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:57.880 they test you nine times a month and you got 0:13:57.880 --> 0:13:58.280 to talk. 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.360 To like a therapist for two years. Yeah. Same, same, Yeah. 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:01.920 So they put me in. 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:03.880 They put me in the program, and at first I 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:06.559 was like, I mean, I don't need to smoke, It's cool, 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:09.320 you know. Then after about like three weeks, I was 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.080 like damn. I was like, I can't do this shit 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.600 if I taking care of myself, right, So I started 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:15.400 to find a way to like smoke and still pass 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:20.480 the drug test. So what I think to me, especially football, 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.600 but I really all sports, if we're you know, what 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:24.560 we do to our bodies. I think leagues need to 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:27.600 give us all reasonable means to take care of ourselves. 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:30.920 And that's besides the conversation of how much better this is. 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:32.760 The pharmaceuticals right question. 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:37.720 I completely understand that nineteen ninety nine draft, the infamous trade, 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.640 the same trade every single pick they have, I mean, 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:43.040 the mascot, the concession stand. 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:48.400 They trade everybody for the boy. Talk about that. I mean, 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:49.160 I was, I was. 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:53.400 I was honored, But at the same time, I wanted 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:55.120 to be the number of the number one pick. So 0:14:56.920 --> 0:15:02.600 I'm kind of salty, But I mean there's still they're 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:04.040 still they're still telling. 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.680 The story now, so that that's that's the positive side 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.360 of it. They gave up headsets, coolers, they gave up 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:13.280 all those picks and the first pick for the next year. 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:15.560 I wouldn't have done it. 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:22.000 I would have done it. 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:22.840 I wouldn't have done it. 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:24.840 I mean, if if he had coming to me and 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:26.200 he said I'm thinking about making. 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:28.360 This trade, I would have said, don't do it. You 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:30.120 don't do it. Yeah, don't do it. 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:34.280 Knowing all that, and everyone else knowing all that, your 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:35.840 team knowing all that, How hard did that? 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:37.480 Did Did that make it tough? 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:40.040 Coming into training camp and and and kind of your 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.560 first taste of the pros or was it smooth. 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:44.280 It made it tough in the sense that there was 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:47.920 just all this like extra like extra stuff on top 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:49.880 of Yeah, that was like it's not necessary to me. 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:54.360 What I what I loved about the game was like practice, 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:56.360 when you go on practice or when the game starts, 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:57.480 everything is focused. 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:59.680 When I hated about all the other stuff that happens 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:00.400 out of it. 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:02.520 Yeah, to me, it's like if I'm doing my job 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:05.840 on the field, like what does it matter, right. 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:06.800 That's to do? 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:10.440 Yeah, especially when I'm not really I'm chilling. I'm not 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.040 out there fucking going crazy and doing all this other shit. 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:17.239 I'm in my house medicating exactly, staying. 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:19.880 Out the way. No limit sports. How did that happen? 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:23.960 So we're trying to get Pete too. I texted this 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:25.800 moil was like, Yo, we have Rick on the show Man. 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:27.200 We need you to come through too. But you talk 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:28.720 to us about what that experience was like. 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:30.920 By a whole pounds some master p Yeah, I'm a Romeo, 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:31.560 little Romeo. 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:34.440 Yeah, it was a lesson. You know, for me, I 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:37.800 thought I was an opportunity to do something different. And 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.600 when I when I came into the league and all 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.360 the agents, you know, typical agents coming at me, it 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:47.320 just felt like slimy and this dude Terry Rito like Pete, 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.400 like the runner for a No Limit Sports, Like he 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:52.440 became like an uncle to me and we just can't 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:54.840 real tight, like I could tell him anything and just 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:56.960 he just really helped me navigate that process. So when 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:00.160 the relationship fell through with my with my agent and 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.320 I was looking for finding a new agent, I was like, 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:04.439 since I have this kind of familiar relationship and I 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:06.320 feel like these people, it just makes sense to I 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:08.960 didn't realize everyone having like an opinion about it. 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:09.960 You know. 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:11.920 I thought it was an opportunity to say, like, we 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:14.920 keep looking to these kinds of people to take care 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.600 of us when there's other types of people out there. 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:20.280 And he was just starting No lim in Sports, and 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:23.399 I thought landed me like this could be an opportunity 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:25.000 to change something. 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:27.800 Help grow his company too. So how was your experience 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:29.720 with it? Like you said, it was a learning It 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:30.320 was wonderful. 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:30.560 You know. 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.879 I was fortunate because all of this happened before the draft, 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:38.280 and so you know PB from New Orleans, it was on. 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:40.840 It was on, and I felt in a sense when 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:42.800 I first got to New Orleans, I did feel like 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:44.960 a familial kind of sense because they were just down 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.240 in bound rouge and they were deep. So I felt 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.200 like I was part of the No Limit family. I 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:50.960 had my chain and everything. 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.960 Hey, they were a movement, they were a whole movement. 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:58.119 And then when it came down to the actual contract negotiation, 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.240 I took control and I and this was on me. 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.520 I told my agent what I what I wanted, and 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:08.000 again for me, I saw it as an opportunity to explain. 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:09.520 Statement for all the people that don't know what was 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:10.680 So what I. 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:13.119 Said is my agent came back to me and basically 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.439 had three different deals. What I told him going in 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:17.199 is I said, you know, I said, I want to 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:20.440 be paid for for my performance. I said, because I'm 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.560 the only draft pick that there's a certain like rookie 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:25.840 pool of the max amount of money that they can give. 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:28.199 I said, just give me that like max amount that 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.160 they can give me for what I've done in the past. 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:35.359 But moving forward, I want my performance performance bace. And 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:37.600 my agent said, well, you could get hurt and all 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:37.920 that stuff. 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:38.400 I said, I don't. 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:40.280 I said, I don't care, and he said, look, he said, look, 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:42.720 I'm going to go and negotiate three contracts, one that 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.120 what you want, one of what I think more most 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:47.080 guaranteed money, and then we'll do something in the middle. 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:49.160 And he tried to convince me to take that one 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:50.879 in the middle, but I said no. I said, I 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:53.479 want the one that only pays me if I kill it. 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:55.840 But that makes sense because that's what the youngsters y'all 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:58.240 need to pay attention. Because the agent works for you, 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:00.800 you don't work for him. So that's how it's supposed 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:01.240 to be anyway. 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:03.280 But then unfortunately got hurt though, right I got hurt though, 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:04.640 talk to us about that process. 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:07.879 My whole career from pop owner all the way to 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:10.200 I didn't miss never missed a game, so I wasn't 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:10.920 even thinking about it. 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:12.560 Registered But what if I get hurt. 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.440 So first preseason game, first preseason game, and get a 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:18.439 high ankle spray, and I'm gonna I consider myself one 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:21.960 of those those guys just plays through. And so I 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:24.679 missed a couple of games in the preseason. I was 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:27.040 just barely ready for the first game, wrapped up that 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:29.919 ain't going out. Reinjured it the first first quarter. Okay, 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:33.399 so came out, but I got got myself right for 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:36.040 the next game. I get wrapped up. Last play of 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:38.320 the game, quarterback throws me the bomb running down the field. 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:42.320 Dislocate my elbow. So I got the ankles. Just starting 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:44.560 to get better. Now I got the dislocated elbow. Then God, 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:46.600 we had a bye week, so I rehabbed. I was 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:50.159 ready for that next week. Ankle braised the elbow braids 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:53.640 and I and I toughed it out for like five 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:55.840 weeks until I finally got healthy. Then I started having 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:58.040 one hundred yard games, and then I got a turf 0:19:58.119 --> 0:19:59.520 toe and I missed four games. 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:02.720 People don't understand how bad turf toe is. I had 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:04.640 to have surgery on my turf toe. Man, that ship 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:07.440 is no joke. Yeah, but all this you played through. 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:10.640 So what you feel like? Obviously, cannabis played a huge 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.680 part in obviously the mental but then also the recovery 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:15.720 part in that. 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:17.840 No, the truth though, if I if I think if 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:20.160 I was smoking more earlier in my career, I think 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:22.080 I I think I could have avoided a lot of 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:24.880 because when I started smoking, I didn't get hurt anymore. 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:26.680 No recovery. 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:29.119 Yeah, it's the recovery, but I think even more so 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:31.320 it's just getting your mind right, because most of the time. 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:31.840 People get hurt. 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:35.200 It's like you're you're not You're not not dialed in right, 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:36.280 You're not down in. 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:38.400 What or were you So I was someone who smoked 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:41.800 day of the game. Were you someone similar or night before? 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:42.679 How did you intake? 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:45.359 I mean I was like I was after. I was 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:49.000 always after. Okay, that's what he was because two things. 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:51.600 One I wasn't smoking enough to have my tolerance at 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:54.240 that level where I felt comfortable. And two I just 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:56.480 think the stigma it didn't even occur to me. I 0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:58.000 don't know if you guys have had this moment, but 0:20:58.040 --> 0:20:59.919 I had this moment. I was I was in Jamaica, 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:04.280 visiting where where Bob was born, his birthplace, and I 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:06.680 was with his younger brother, and his brother was saying 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:08.000 Bob used to go to that rock. 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:09.960 Up there and read the smoke and read the Bible. 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:13.800 And I was like, you can smoke and read the Bible. 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:17.159 I had that moment like where something that's supposed to 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:18.840 be good for you is something that's supposed to be 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:19.280 bad for you. 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:21.800 How they could come together And I just was like, damn, 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:22.120 so I. 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:25.200 Got my Bible, got my split foot up there smoked, 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:28.520 and I like, that's when I had that moment. 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:31.960 That's what I at that point twenty seven is right before. 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:34.240 It was like a week before I retired, and so like, 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:39.000 you know, I think, yeah, I think smoking. I had 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:40.720 a day at practice when I was playing. I played 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:45.200 a year in Canada and I broke my ankle and 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:47.439 uh and messed up my arm. So I wasn't I 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:49.359 was in rehab and the guys and I was just 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:51.320 coming back though, and the guys were driving to practice 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:53.119 and they were passing the blunt around and I was 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:54.880 just like, I'm not playing, So I was like, I'll 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:58.800 smoke before practice. I had the most amazing like practice ever. 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:01.320 I didn't feel my my pain. I felt like I 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:03.199 was a kid again out there just bawling, right, So 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:04.600 I got it, but. 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:06.800 It was it was yeah, damn. 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:09.160 So yeah, I was someone who because like I said, 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:11.480 I think you said it perfectly, like it locks it. 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:13.760 It calms the outside noise and you lock in on 0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:15.840 with your what your job is supposed to be. Yeah, 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:17.200 and that's you know, the ultimate focus. 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:20.480 Mike Dicka. Yes, ESPN magazine cover. Yeah, how did that 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:21.600 come about? Damn? 0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:24.960 Levatard worked for ESPN at the time. Uh, he's writing 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:27.919 for ESPN the magazine, and we become close and he 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:29.720 reached out and he said, they want to do a 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:32.159 piece for the cover of you and Dicka, and so 0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:34.280 they We went back and forth for like two months, 0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:37.040 throw a different ideas around about the picture, and then 0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:39.119 one day Dan called and he said, like, what about 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:41.479 you got you in a wedding dress and Dica in 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:43.720 a in a tux, like you guys are getting married. 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:47.119 And I was on my phone in the car and 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:48.600 I laughed and I said that'd be funny. 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:49.560 I was like, yeah. 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:51.879 But then when I got there that day, I was like, 0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:57.200 I was like, and then when it came out and. 0:22:57.520 --> 0:22:59.399 The media had it, then it really wasn't funny. 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:04.240 Yeah, hey, that was today boy, he said. At first 0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:06.120 I laughed, but then I got there, it wasn't funny. 0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:10.640 I had to put the dress on him and realize 0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:11.840 what was what was going on? 0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:12.920 What was happening? Yeah? 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:14.600 Yeah, God damn. 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:15.359 Obviously. 0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:18.119 You know you spoke of someone who was never injured 0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:20.480 until you got to the Pros. When you in the 0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:22.200 Pros and you get injured, the first thing they want 0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:24.439 to do is pump you full of all kinds of 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:28.200 different bulloids and and shit that is masking one problem 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:30.480 causing long term effects on the other side. Talk to 0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:32.040 us about that proces because I know you've been very 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:34.399 vocal with the recovery of it, but just also the 0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:35.600 whole overall process. 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:36.359 Yeah. 0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:38.880 Well, I remember one day I was I was sitting 0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:41.280 in the in the training room before practice, and I 0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:43.680 was watching each of the guys come in for practice 0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:46.280 to get the tourd off shot, and I started doing 0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:48.440 the math like I was like, if someone plays eight 0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:50.360 ten years and they have to do this every day 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:51.680 for practice, Like what is this doing? 0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:53.880 What is it? What is this doing to our bodies? 0:23:54.160 --> 0:23:55.480 And real quick, I don't want to cut you off. 0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:58.320 Please remember your thought. Tour do all is so strong 0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:01.639 that when I was with the Clipper going into the playoffs, 0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:05.560 I got hit by Dwight Howard and had a minor 0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:08.679 tear in my shoulder so in my shooting arm, so 0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:11.320 during the whole round, like during the week, I couldn't 0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:12.560 barely lift my arm. 0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:13.840 I'm doing rehab to lift my arm. 0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:15.720 I'll take the toward all shot too outs before the 0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:17.119 game and I'm totally fine. 0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:19.840 Totally fine, Like unbelievable. 0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:22.040 You go to practice without toward all, you feel like 0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:23.120 you're eighty five years old. 0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:25.040 You can't imagine doing it in practice. I had in 0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:27.800 the game, I like Superman. That's the same. That's the 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:29.679 year we beat San Antonio in the first round and 0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:31.760 the last play I blocked Kawhi that was my hurt 0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:33.760 shoulder that the day before I couldn't even lift. 0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:36.680 Yeah, yeah, so it's real. So I understood why. 0:24:36.760 --> 0:24:38.119 But I was doing the math and I said, I 0:24:38.119 --> 0:24:39.879 gotta find like some other way to take care of 0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:41.919 my liver too, And I just started smoking more and 0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:44.159 then finding like how to take care of myself. Like 0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:46.480 I spent a little bit more time stretching, and also 0:24:46.680 --> 0:24:48.240 was when I smoked in stretched. 0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:50.879 I was really getting in there and really. 0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:53.159 Like, yeah, you have a focus, a different focus. How 0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:56.040 many years did you play eleven? At what point in 0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:59.639 your career did you kind of say I'm leaving this 0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:05.800 person described medicine from the league behind and solely smoking 0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:07.600 cannabis or was it always a balance of both? 0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:08.120 It was. 0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:11.480 It was a balance up until that moment I just 0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:14.120 told you about. But after that, I mean I might 0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:16.480 have taken something like I had to be in a 0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:19.679 lot of pain before I would take something. So and 0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:23.399 I was probably six or seven years in in but 0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:26.440 I started taking care of myself and I didn't spend 0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:28.040 any time in the training room, and the trainer just 0:25:28.080 --> 0:25:30.280 left me alone because they were like, whatever you're doing. 0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:32.720 And I think a running back you get hit the 0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:35.679 most exactly whether you're blocking or running. 0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:36.840 That's a beautiful thing. 0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:37.359 Damn. 0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:37.880 See. 0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:41.040 I think in the long term, like, if these sports 0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:43.520 teams start to support players using cannabis, it's going to 0:25:43.560 --> 0:25:45.320 save them a lot of a lot of money. 0:25:45.920 --> 0:25:46.920 Point blank. That's no. 0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:50.800 What do you think about. 0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:55.040 High profile athletes now not necessarily coming out in hey 0:25:55.040 --> 0:25:57.520 I'm out here smoking, but knowing that they do use it, 0:25:57.560 --> 0:25:59.600 and there's kind of a perception now that they're starting 0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:02.960 to realize it's like, Okay, the best players are actually 0:26:03.040 --> 0:26:03.760 using this too. 0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:04.960 What is your thought about that. 0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:07.560 I mean, personally, I think that the players should be 0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:11.439 out there saying, yeah, I agree, I use this because 0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:13.840 you know, what I found is so many people come 0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:16.320 up to me and they've said, you know, I was 0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:18.959 like had an attitude about this and I was against 0:26:18.960 --> 0:26:22.159 it until like your story and I saw you and 0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:25.000 because of that, I tried it and it helped me, right, 0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:27.160 And so I think players coming out and being honest 0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:29.080 is just going to really help a lot of people 0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:31.720 get access to us that for whatever reason in their 0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:33.960 mind or whatever, they don't have access to it. 0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:36.160 And stop worrying about what people think. And I think 0:26:36.200 --> 0:26:39.040 that's the biggest part. Like even me, I stopped smoking 0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:41.439 because I'm Muslim, but then again, I know I need it, 0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:43.680 but I but I know I'm one of the most 0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:46.159 righteous people alive, you know what I mean. It's just 0:26:46.200 --> 0:26:47.720 got to get to the point where you do what's 0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:49.840 best for you and not where about what people say. 0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:51.200 And I think that's why a lot of players don't 0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:52.200 come out and talk about it. 0:26:52.280 --> 0:26:54.400 But I think a lot of it is misinformation. 0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:57.719 And what I've realized is when we were young and 0:26:57.760 --> 0:27:00.160 so we hear people say like the war on drug 0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:02.560 war on drugs. Now that I'm older and I've gone 0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:05.560 back and like just studied a little bit, it really 0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:10.400 was a war. Like literally, like are this mighty government 0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:13.320 militarized against against cannabis? 0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:15.080 Militarized anything about? 0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:17.360 Like in any war, there's always a lot of casualties, 0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:20.439 and it takes a long time to heal. But if 0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:23.439 we go like pre drug war, and we really understand 0:27:23.440 --> 0:27:27.480 the history of this planet, it was used by righteous 0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:31.280 people to help them achieve more righteousness, Like that's what 0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:35.639 it was for. And and I think too, we're remembering that, 0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:37.720 but we're doing it the hard way because we're like, 0:27:37.760 --> 0:27:40.040 at least for me, I became a better person when 0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:40.520 I started. 0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:44.000 My wife told me that please hurry up back smoke. 0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:44.840 She used to text me. 0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:47.760 She was texting him, git him back to smoke, please, 0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:49.480 because he's not the same person. 0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:54.000 It's needed, it's needed. 0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:56.520 You traded to Miami in two thousand and two and 0:27:56.560 --> 0:27:58.560 led the league in Russian for for your first year. 0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:01.879 You almost had eight hundred carries for those first two years, 0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:04.440 both of the seasons, your top twenty for most carries 0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:05.719 by running back in the season. 0:28:07.000 --> 0:28:08.360 That's a lot of way. 0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:11.960 And tell on your body in the NFL carrying that 0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:13.760 many times, and we know how you run. I just 0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:15.719 told the people that's gonna get the prepops that were 0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:18.639 running over shit. Yeah, what's your mind sign? What's your 0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:19.080 mind frame? 0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:23.399 The first year when I led the league in rushing, 0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:25.760 I averaged four point seven yards of carry. 0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:28.080 So and that was great. 0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:31.879 And next year I averaged three point eight yards to 0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:34.520 carry more carries a lot less yards. 0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:36.440 That was not so. But they stack in the lineup. 0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:38.800 They stacked, you know, it was it was there stacking 0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:39.320 the line. 0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:41.120 But also, like. 0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:44.200 I see, like in any sport, when you have a 0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:46.880 player that not necessarily the best player, but the player 0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:49.440 that everyone is like thinking everything's built around. 0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:51.880 Other team knows if we stop him, we're gonna win. Right. 0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:53.960 You need the other guys on the team to realize 0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:56.400 that and step up their game to meet that kind 0:28:56.440 --> 0:28:59.720 of force. And I think the first year, the success 0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:02.240 kind of surprised everyone, and I think that second year, 0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:04.120 and you know, when you after you win and you go. 0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:06.840 Back, you can't take it easy. 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That's someone in 0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:29.640 your position. You're coming off leading the league. How does 0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:31.200 that take a toll on you? Because I mean, that's 0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:33.440 a lot of the mental health that athletes are talking about. 0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:35.440 You just saw Kyrie yesterday kind of go in on 0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:38.200 fans Like, what kind of toll did that take on you? 0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:38.520 Well? 0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:42.120 I think it takes a toll the fact that just 0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:45.720 in general, as a professional athlete, that people like they 0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:47.000 forget that we're human. 0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:48.840 Being deal they think because we make money that they 0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:50.000 can that we don't have feelings. 0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:54.880 Yeah, but on a deeper level, like to me, it's like, 0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:58.480 you're the one paying money to watch us, you know 0:31:58.520 --> 0:32:00.880 what I'm saying, So there's probably something that we're doing 0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:03.160 that you could learn from, and so instead of like 0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:05.120 throwing shit out of it's like trying to learn from us, 0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:09.000 because whatever we're doing, you're like, yeah, you rather spend 0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:10.320 time with us than your family. 0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:15.680 At some point I had to figure out that it's 0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:18.719 people that are just fans of the sport. But then 0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:21.400 you got people that wish they could be you, you 0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:23.400 know what I mean, And that's where we get the 0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:26.000 confusion at You got people that really that really wish 0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:28.840 they had like playing basketballs, people that really had hoop dreams, 0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:31.080 that really wanted to be in the NBA, that play 0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:34.760 a man whoever did all that some fun? Everybody that 0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:36.560 played basketball that made to the NBA. But then you 0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:38.680 got your fans that really love a team. I think 0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:41.040 the fact that they sitting together in the stadium, it's 0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:42.480 hard to separate the good fans and. 0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:43.160 The bad fans. 0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:44.160 Yeah, I agree. 0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:46.920 Is it a coincidence that you just started falling drug 0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:47.720 tests around the time? 0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:50.600 Well, I think the other question, is it a coincidence 0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:54.440 that I started leading the league and rushing, because so, 0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:56.720 like when I first got to Miami, that's when I 0:32:56.720 --> 0:32:59.200 really started smoking. I remember I come home after after 0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:01.320 working out and smoke and I would like start to 0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:05.080 like visualize myself like killing it, just killing. 0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:07.320 So I just had this. I just had this. 0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:09.719 By the time the season came, I just had this 0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:12.440 knowing that. It's like I was ready. I was ready, 0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:14.520 And so I think that had a lot to. 0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:18.480 Do with the tree. Yeah, yeah, I love that. I mean, 0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:19.840 we can we can speak to that. 0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:22.760 Yeah. I gotta be high every doing everything. 0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:26.560 I agree, there's no way, though, I can do nothing 0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:29.880 without it. You're preaching to the choir, yes, or would you? 0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:32.280 I mean, it's like I can't, I can't. I'm sorry, Yeah, 0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:32.720 I can't. 0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:38.600 Two thousand and four, you decided to retire. What uh 0:33:39.240 --> 0:33:41.640 you were over everything? Where were you at mentally with that? 0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:43.720 And what made you come to that and to smoke my. 0:33:43.640 --> 0:33:46.720 Tree in peace? Yeah? You know it's interesting. 0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:48.880 I feel like sometimes in life, like the universe is 0:33:48.880 --> 0:33:51.320 trying to tell us something and sometimes we don't want 0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:53.000 to hear it, and it's got to like tell us 0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:56.280 really loudly. And So two thousand and two, I let 0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:58.080 the NFL and rush. In two thousand and three, I 0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:01.880 got my tour up. So coming into the next season, 0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:03.520 you know, I went to the two thousand and four 0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:05.600 I went to the Dolphins and I and I said, like, 0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:08.120 if you're going to give me the ball, like and 0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:10.279 expect me to do everything, like, you need to like 0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:12.760 take care of me, make sure that. Cause I started 0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:15.160 to like think about the future and think like if 0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:17.359 I keep doing this, I'm not going to last very long, 0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:18.759 and like what am I going to have to show 0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:19.040 for it? 0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:20.520 So I said, like, if. 0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:22.120 You're going to do this, I'm good with it, but 0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:25.800 help me feel good about doing right. And their response, 0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:29.400 but they went today they came back with the business response, 0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:34.799 and for me, like a business decision, right is my 0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:36.799 business decision is? This is my only body, and I 0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:38.000 have to find a way to take care of it. 0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:40.440 I need to feel good. That's my business. I understand 0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:42.360 you got your business if you've got salary cap and 0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:44.160 all that other stuff. Just the way they came back 0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:46.080 to me, I was like, Okay, they don't really they 0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:48.600 don't really appreciate they're taking me for granted. 0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:50.600 And so already I was like okay. 0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:52.840 And then after having that year and thinking, you know, 0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:54.560 I spent all my life trying to be the best 0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:56.920 football player I can be, and I realized that it 0:34:56.960 --> 0:34:58.919 has there's a lot more that goes into me being 0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:02.000 a good football player. And by being a good football player, 0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:04.040 I've seen I've been kind of like a like a 0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:06.560 not a good person at some of these and it 0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:08.680 started to bother me. So I started to think about, 0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:11.239 like what am I doing with my life? And what 0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:14.439 I felt was I need to like travel and see 0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:16.279 the world and do some shit because my heart's not 0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:18.719 in this right now. And then with the contract and 0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:20.680 then all this other stuff started happening, so I just 0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:24.560 was like, I hear the message, it's time for me 0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:26.960 to go, So so I bounced. 0:35:27.200 --> 0:35:28.520 It was just one of those things. 0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:33.000 Where you know, but I think, like, again, my dream 0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:36.439 as a kid was to make it as a college 0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:38.480 football player and then to have some kind of platform 0:35:38.520 --> 0:35:41.160 where I could like tell people like what I think. 0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:43.440 And I got to the NFL and people were just like, 0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:46.160 shut up, shut up, we don't want to hear. And yeah, 0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:47.319 we don't want to hear what you have to say, 0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:49.239 just go run. And then I, you know, I got 0:35:49.239 --> 0:35:51.040 to the point where I was like, I need to 0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:53.000 have I need to say something. But then I realized, 0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:55.399 because I've been chasing football my whole life, I don't 0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:59.360 really have anything to say. So I left and I 0:35:59.360 --> 0:36:02.080 started traveling and just having more experiences of meeting different people, 0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:04.279 and went back to school, started studying things I was 0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:05.320 really passionate about. 0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:07.960 So I learned. So I now I feel like I 0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:09.600 have actually something to say. 0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:12.239 What was it like because obviously back then, when you 0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:17.279 were doing it, the cannabis was the ultimate no. So 0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:20.400 the media content starts to paint a picture of a 0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:23.200 bad person when again, you've explained to all the reasons 0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:25.920 why leading up to this. But how hard was that 0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:28.120 having to deal with that on a daily basis? 0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:31.680 You know, I was fortunate a couple of things. You know. 0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:34.319 One, back in two thousand and four, nobody, like we 0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:37.040 weren't educated about cannabis the way we are now, Like 0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:41.360 outside of California and Oregon, nobody was talking about medicinal marijuana, 0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:44.799 and so I didn't have the language. And so when 0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:47.279 it first hit the news that failing a drug test 0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:49.640 was connected to my retirement, I had a friend of 0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:52.600 mine who was leaving the country, so I was like, yeah, 0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:53.319 let's go. 0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:56.920 So I didn't have to really deal with any of 0:36:56.960 --> 0:36:59.160 it because I was traveling around the world. 0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:01.239 And the funny thing, as I was traveling around the world, 0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:04.759 I kept meeting people who like smoked, and so. 0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:07.879 Where I like, I wasn't. I wasn't trying to run 0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:08.400 away from it. 0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:10.080 But I thought it was interesting that as I was 0:37:10.160 --> 0:37:12.960 like out and about, people didn't even know who I was. 0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:14.080 And I kept running. 0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:15.880 Into it, and I kept running it into it in 0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:17.840 ways where people were talking about it, in ways that 0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:20.560 I had never heard people talk about cannabis. And so well, 0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:25.239 I ended up back in northern California studying ariveda with 0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:29.040 Indian medicine, and I was looking through a book and 0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:31.080 I came across a book and it had a whole 0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:33.560 chapter on cannabis, and again, at that time, no one 0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:36.760 was talking about medicinal marijuana. And so I started to realize, 0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:38.840 there's a lot more to this, to this thing than 0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:42.280 than what we've been told. And because I surrounded myself 0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:44.279 with those kinds of people, when I finally did have 0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:47.480 to deal with the media, I felt more supported. And 0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:50.520 so Mike Wallace from Sixty Minutes came to northern California 0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:52.840 where I was studying, ariveda and it was like that 0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:56.000 interviewer we found, we found Ricky and one of the 0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:58.960 questions he asked straight up, he said, if the NFL 0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:01.040 drug tested you right now, how would you pass the test? 0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:05.400 And I remember, you know, looking at him, and everything 0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:08.000 in my head was saying lie, lie, Lie lie, and 0:38:08.120 --> 0:38:10.920 something I just said, like I just said no, I 0:38:10.920 --> 0:38:13.440 would fail. And it was like it was this moment 0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:16.120 where I was being real while here was this this 0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:18.840 was two thousand and four. I was being like honest 0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:21.479 and I was being real and I knew I wasn't 0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:24.960 supposed to, but it felt like really liberating because I 0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:25.760 wasn't in the NFL. 0:38:25.840 --> 0:38:26.399 It felt like. 0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:28.680 Liberating to be able to like to tell my truth 0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:31.880 and not back down for it, you know, and like 0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:33.600 that to me, that was a special moment in my 0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:36.480 life where I kind of said I'm on this side. 0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:38.480 I made a statement. 0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:40.680 So after that, I mean, that was kind of obviously 0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:44.440 a groundbreaking type of situation. What was with the feedback 0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:46.520 on that? Because I always say like you were just 0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:48.120 ahead of your time, Like if you came out and 0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:52.280 did that, now you would be leading athletes in this space. 0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:54.080 I mean, you're obviously one of the top people. But 0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:56.000 to do it back in that time in two thousand 0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:57.799 and four, once you kind of came out and told 0:38:57.840 --> 0:38:59.640 your truth, it was almost a weightlifted on your off 0:38:59.640 --> 0:38:59.919 your show. 0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:02.319 There's what was the what was it met with? 0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:06.080 So, you know, funny like personally it was it was 0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:08.399 the coolest thing in the world because you know, I'd 0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:10.239 be on the airport, I'd be hanging around. I remember 0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:12.239 I was in Sacramento at the airport and I was 0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:14.359 kind of lived up there at the time, and some 0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:16.840 guy like it was that same feeling of when somebody 0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:18.680 recognizes me, but he was like, hey. 0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:20.439 I got I got something in my car. 0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:23.440 You would have come and people would just come up 0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:25.840 to me and just give me weed. Like, so it 0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:28.520 was amazing, like the like the one on one dealing 0:39:28.560 --> 0:39:30.840 with people. I felt like I was more real to 0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:32.760 people and there was something up for us to connect 0:39:32.840 --> 0:39:33.840 on on a deeper level. 0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:35.960 And you know, the NFL. 0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:38.720 I came back to the NFL, partially because the Dolphins 0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:42.120 sued me for eight million dollars, but also the NFL 0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:43.239 kept asking me to come back. 0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:47.600 Who won they wanted they wanted? Yeah, yeah, So I 0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:50.560 came back and and it was weird. 0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:52.960 I was still in the NFL drug program, but it 0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:56.080 was like nobody just nobody ever talked about it. And 0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:58.640 one time, one time, somebody, uh, one of the people 0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:00.360 in the media, we had like a b week and 0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:02.479 we had a couple of days off, and he said, 0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:04.000 do you ever think about smoking weed? 0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:05.759 And I was just being honest. I was like, I 0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:07.400 think about that shit all the time. 0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:11.759 And then it kind of came up and it was 0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:13.920 like a you know, coach told me, like, you know, 0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:16.720 don't be a distraction. But other than that, everyone pretended 0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:21.080 like pretend like it didn't happen. Yeah, that's crazy. 0:40:21.320 --> 0:40:24.600 What did you really find out about yourself once you 0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:26.240 stepped away from football? 0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:27.880 I think I found out that I was just a 0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:31.799 more spiritual person than I than I thought. 0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:36.320 And that's what leads you into all the astrology stuff exactly. 0:40:36.400 --> 0:40:39.200 Just I'm like that, I'm just really curious. I just 0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:41.640 want to want to learn exactly. That's all I got. 0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:43.239 All I think about. 0:40:43.880 --> 0:40:46.400 Where else did you get to travel? You said you 0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:48.759 travel the world where some of the favorite places you 0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:49.640 pit stopped at. 0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:52.800 I love Thailand. I love Thailand. 0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:53.880 It's beautiful out there. 0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:59.200 Yeah, Australia was Australia was cool because it's different, but 0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:03.680 everybody speaks English, so it was different enough, but it 0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:05.480 still felt familiar enough in. 0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:10.400 Your in your travels. Who had the best grass? Good question? 0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:17.440 I mean obviously Amsterdam, Amsterdam, but Hawaii surprisingly. 0:41:16.960 --> 0:41:21.480 Yeah they got we were there. Yeah, we were there Hawaii. 0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:23.640 I was just now the whole nother like I don't 0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:25.360 know if it was that batch or if it's across 0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:26.120 the board. 0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:27.600 But I had it like that, so fire out there. 0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:29.600 Yeah, it was funny because we used to go to 0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:31.840 Amsterdam and the off season, me and some guys that 0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:33.760 are still playing. But they said they get a majority 0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:37.360 of their way from California, Northern California in. 0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:39.480 Particular, you bounced back in the league in two thousand 0:41:39.480 --> 0:41:44.280 and five, right, but you're still dealing with the NFL 0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:45.440 drug policy. 0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:47.719 Back and forth, back and forth. What was that like? 0:41:48.040 --> 0:41:50.680 It was stressful. I know it's stressful. You just want 0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:51.439 to smoke them chill. 0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:53.720 Well, you said, you said at one point you learned 0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:56.600 how to be tested, and still was this during that 0:41:56.719 --> 0:41:58.400 time because I went. 0:41:58.280 --> 0:41:59.160 Through different phases. 0:41:59.200 --> 0:42:01.520 Like the first the first time I got into the program, 0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:04.000 I found this drink okay, and. 0:42:04.680 --> 0:42:06.960 Ours was called liquid. We used to use something. 0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:09.680 Extra extra clear or something okay, and you gotta like, 0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:12.239 you gotta drink it, and then you wait fifteen minutes, 0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:14.279 drink about the water. Fifteen minutes, drink about the water, 0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:15.120 and then your piece. 0:42:17.239 --> 0:42:18.160 Cleant. 0:42:19.160 --> 0:42:21.120 You gotta window, you gotta keep paying, Yes, you gotta 0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:23.719 keep peeing. Yeah, we're giving away our secretuse. We've never 0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:25.279 talked about this the first time. 0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:26.719 This is the first time. 0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:27.960 Our ship used to be liquid. 0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:29.560 That's what got me though, is at the time that 0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:32.719 I got popped the second time is like I went out, 0:42:33.040 --> 0:42:35.040 we lost to the Eagles and we got knocked out 0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:35.799 of the playoffs, and I. 0:42:35.760 --> 0:42:37.440 Just was like, went too hard that night. 0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:39.920 So he would come at six o'clock in the morning, 0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:41.200 So I wake up at five. 0:42:41.800 --> 0:42:44.279 The process and I fell back asleep. You didn't get that. 0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:48.240 I didn't get the piss off and I just barely failed. 0:42:48.520 --> 0:42:50.240 You got to get at least three to four p's 0:42:50.280 --> 0:42:51.200 out before you're clear. 0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:53.879 Yeah, so that was we got so speaking to your ship. 0:42:53.960 --> 0:42:55.560 So when I was I was in the program with 0:42:55.600 --> 0:43:00.120 the Clippers and got traded to Memphis, and uh, the 0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:02.399 p man was coming once a week, so I would 0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:05.719 be clean all week he would come, know him by name. 0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:08.240 He would actually I did know his name forgot the ship. 0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:10.560 But I'd be clean all week, and then the day 0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:13.319 he tests me, I'll smoke the entire day and then 0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:15.759 try to get clean the whole entire week, and I'll 0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:16.359 be able to take. 0:43:16.280 --> 0:43:18.960 My That was my second That was my second way. 0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:20.360 The second time when I came back. 0:43:20.360 --> 0:43:22.000 It was only once a week, and yeah. 0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:23.360 And then I got to the point where I realized 0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:25.040 I could take three hits and pass the tests the 0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:25.520 next day. 0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:27.960 Oh, three hits and past the next day. So you 0:43:27.960 --> 0:43:29.399 would just want to take a drink, drink a bunch 0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:29.920 of water. 0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:34.160 Just because I was as an athlete, we're cyclist so much. 0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:36.600 The cannabis when it comes out, it's because it's stored. 0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:39.439 But if you don't smoke enough to store it, it isn't. 0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:42.359 Yeah you was Michael does and before Michael does. 0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:45.680 But because I was in the program and Michael does worked. 0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:47.839 You know, when you're doing like three hits as much 0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:50.160 exactly get you where you need to be exactly. 0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:53.279 I didn't have that power you all the way in 0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:54.560 I'm going to go to sleep. 0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:56.200 That's how I was. 0:43:57.719 --> 0:44:00.480 I had some shipip shipped up from Cali and every 0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:02.000 once a week, I get to smoke once a week, 0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:04.400 so I'd burn it down like two three joints. I'd 0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:07.279 probably pass out in my chair. It was on the 0:44:07.360 --> 0:44:09.759 regular wake up and just I had to get it 0:44:09.800 --> 0:44:12.080 in me. We've never talked about that because I never 0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:14.120 wanted to bust no one out. But since they don't 0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:16.120 test for it no more. Because everyone used to say 0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:17.239 what do you used to take? And we used to 0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:18.680 have to tell it but it was liquid from G 0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:21.200 and C or when they didn't have liquid. I would 0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:22.920 just say, yo, what's I would go to I'd be 0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:24.200 real with to do it, like I got to pass 0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:26.560 the P test. Would you recommend what's the hardest cleanser 0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:28.160 you have, and they would give it to you. But 0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:29.840 you would feel like shit though, because you had to 0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:31.799 take that drink that I just used to take a bunch. 0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:34.919 I used to have my trainers. I used to drop 0:44:34.960 --> 0:44:36.279 some of my trainers from Bread to give me a 0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:38.040 heads up, like, because they got to a point where 0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:39.920 we're doing four randoms during the season, we didn't know 0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:40.560 where it was coming. 0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:41.240 Four randoms. 0:44:42.160 --> 0:44:44.200 This is not even in the program though, this is 0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:48.080 just regular wow, four random tests. So I would always, 0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:50.120 you know, I get some of my trainers from Bread, 0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:51.719 like just give me a heads up the morning they come. 0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:54.560 So sometimes I do that whole process and be bloated 0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:56.120 like a motherfucker and I didn't even get tested. 0:44:56.160 --> 0:44:56.840 I was pissed. 0:44:57.120 --> 0:44:59.319 But at one point we knew that you can go 0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:03.239 on a drug ram and still smoke. So we told 0:45:03.320 --> 0:45:05.759 them and Early Live we was like, man, I'm pissing dirty. 0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:07.600 Put them in the program and you can stand up. 0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:11.960 I stayed in the program. Damn. The three seasons under company. 0:45:12.040 --> 0:45:14.120 It wasn't no penalties that that they wouldn't They wouldn't 0:45:14.160 --> 0:45:15.520 help you. As long as you in the program, you 0:45:15.560 --> 0:45:17.000 just got to pee a certain amount of times and 0:45:17.080 --> 0:45:19.000 something you could up. But it was really I stayed 0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:20.320 in that motherfucker for three years. 0:45:20.600 --> 0:45:22.359 If you're in the program and you get popped, that's 0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:25.319 like four game suspensions, It's like, and it keeps getting worse. 0:45:25.600 --> 0:45:28.600 It probably weren't some penalties, but Jack probably just when 0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:30.520 I first got in the league, it was one drug test. 0:45:30.719 --> 0:45:32.799 Like them, it was a preseason They got the whole 0:45:32.840 --> 0:45:34.880 team too, Yes, so we could. We had We had 0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:36.480 weed in the car as soon as we got there 0:45:36.520 --> 0:45:37.520 out of practice that day. 0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:38.640 That's how it used to be. 0:45:38.840 --> 0:45:41.040 How did the turbulent relationship with the NFL and pack 0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:41.560 your image? 0:45:41.560 --> 0:45:44.759 Though I know that kind of pissed you off, honestly, 0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:47.600 at the end of the day, it actually helped. It 0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:48.400 actually helped. 0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:50.880 I mean I had to come back and like finish 0:45:50.960 --> 0:45:54.359 my career and like earn that kind of respect and 0:45:54.400 --> 0:45:56.200 carry myself for certain way. But at the end of 0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:59.120 the day, it turns into like a redemption story and 0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:02.640 it allowed me now to tell a positive. 0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:06.200 Exactly right, I was right the whole time. Yeah, basically, 0:46:06.719 --> 0:46:07.279 straight up? 0:46:07.880 --> 0:46:08.799 What was it like? Real quick? 0:46:08.840 --> 0:46:10.360 I want to know because my brother played with the 0:46:10.440 --> 0:46:13.239 Argonauts and went running great Cup. What was that experience like, 0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:14.920 because that was the one thing he was a receiver, 0:46:14.960 --> 0:46:16.960 and he said they used to just that the treatment 0:46:17.200 --> 0:46:18.600 was low grade. 0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:20.719 Just it was tough to really make. 0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:23.520 It if you come from even like college and the 0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:24.799 States to something and. 0:46:24.760 --> 0:46:25.560 Then you go to that. 0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:29.879 I mean, but like our our facility were trailers, right, 0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:34.080 you know, trailers we did. Like our our team meeting 0:46:34.160 --> 0:46:35.520 room was just a trailer. 0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:36.440 But but I. 0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:39.240 Will say, like if you if you really are about 0:46:39.280 --> 0:46:42.920 the game, you know, then it like can bring you 0:46:43.000 --> 0:46:46.680 back to it. And for me it did, Like because 0:46:46.719 --> 0:46:48.600 if there are only certain there's only a certain number 0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:50.319 of American players that can be on the team. So 0:46:50.400 --> 0:46:52.520 most of the American guys like stayed in the same area. 0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:55.080 So it was kind of like college and after after 0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:57.520 practice we just go play. It was Toronto, yeah, and 0:46:57.520 --> 0:46:59.799 it was Toronto and it was Toronto, right, yeah, so 0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:02.080 it was I had a wonderful experience. 0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:02.440 Did you. 0:47:02.560 --> 0:47:04.759 My brother said he loved it, but he's just like 0:47:04.800 --> 0:47:06.960 as far as like the amenities and trying to keep 0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:08.839 your body on top of it, it's tough. 0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:11.600 It's even like the gear, you know, trying to get gloves. 0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:14.719 It was tough, Like, god damn it, I used to 0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:16.239 have to give this shit away and I can't even 0:47:16.280 --> 0:47:20.359 getting us exactly when you initially stepped away from the game. 0:47:20.520 --> 0:47:23.839 Was there you said you started traveling right away? 0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:24.319 Was there ever? 0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:25.960 Kind of like a gnull because I kind of feel 0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:28.040 like when people step away from something they've been accustomed 0:47:28.040 --> 0:47:29.719 to their whole life, there's kind of a little did 0:47:29.719 --> 0:47:31.640 you ever hit the rut or you just kept mine? 0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:33.960 I just saw I was going so hardcore just to 0:47:34.040 --> 0:47:36.399 like because it was something that was building up. 0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:37.600 It wasn't like I was. 0:47:37.760 --> 0:47:39.440 It was something that was building up, and I just 0:47:39.520 --> 0:47:41.759 knew I needed to like sow my royal old so 0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:44.440 see see the world. So I was on it and 0:47:44.880 --> 0:47:46.480 that way I went on and I got to this 0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:48.680 point where I was like, this is great, but for 0:47:48.800 --> 0:47:50.719 my life to really take off, I need to go 0:47:50.760 --> 0:47:52.840 back to the league and clear my name, not that, 0:47:53.480 --> 0:47:55.560 and so it kind of it led me back. But 0:47:55.640 --> 0:47:58.680 I came back and the biggest difference was before I 0:47:58.719 --> 0:48:01.120 was kind of in this no man's land of like 0:48:01.120 --> 0:48:02.799 what do I have to do to like keep this? 0:48:03.520 --> 0:48:05.279 And when I came back, it was more like what 0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:06.479 can my career, what can. 0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:09.120 The NFL do do for me? And so I was 0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:10.000 just more intentional. 0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:12.319 Did you get what you were looking for? 0:48:12.400 --> 0:48:14.600 I got exactly where I cleared my name. I was 0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:17.640 able to walk away and with the platform intact that 0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:19.200 I now have access to. 0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:23.960 So you recently launched Heisman, what are your hopes and 0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:27.000 envisions in this cannabis space? With that, I mean really 0:48:27.040 --> 0:48:31.239 a lot of this of just conversation, these conversations, you know, 0:48:31.280 --> 0:48:34.239 because like I'm hardcore, and I'm saying like, because most 0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:37.360 people they say, you know, don't talk about using cannabis, 0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:39.000 but then they don't have all their reasons, you know, 0:48:39.160 --> 0:48:41.480 I'm heard or this or that, And I'm saying like, 0:48:41.600 --> 0:48:44.440 more like this kind of conversation where people are talking about, 0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:46.240 like did you take your medicine today? 0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:51.840 You know where it is people feel comfortable saying I 0:48:51.880 --> 0:48:55.520 need this. I need because people say like I need 0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:57.520 this for a lot of reasons. But when you're saying something, 0:48:57.560 --> 0:48:59.680 I need this because this makes me a better person, 0:49:00.200 --> 0:49:01.200 I think, you know. 0:49:01.680 --> 0:49:04.279 Change exactly. That's the biggest statement you can make. 0:49:04.400 --> 0:49:06.920 Yeah, I think, yeah, I mean I just think hearing 0:49:06.960 --> 0:49:09.160 the why you know this is why they've never heard 0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:11.799 athletes say why. It was always just a stigma. You're this, 0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:14.120 you're that, you're, you're, you're you know, you're not focused. 0:49:14.120 --> 0:49:16.320 But when you actually hear the reasons why, you can't 0:49:16.400 --> 0:49:16.880 argue with it. 0:49:17.040 --> 0:49:19.279 The crazy part, though, is like, is this is what 0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:21.799 I noticed? Is I believe that too, So I thought 0:49:21.840 --> 0:49:23.719 I was doing something wrong. So I took a step 0:49:23.760 --> 0:49:25.759 back and I said, like, really, what is going on? 0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:28.880 And I was like, and it might sound crazy, but 0:49:28.920 --> 0:49:31.839 at that time, at least from my body's perspective, this 0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:34.600 was better for me than football anything. 0:49:34.320 --> 0:49:36.120 Like, yeah, talk to them real shit. 0:49:36.440 --> 0:49:39.160 I mean my I started smoking at fourteen, and I 0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:41.319 didn't really know. Obviously I didn't need it for the 0:49:41.320 --> 0:49:43.160 paint at that time, but I had just had a 0:49:43.200 --> 0:49:45.040 tough upbringing. And I remember the first thing you said 0:49:45.080 --> 0:49:47.719 is it just calmed everything on the outside. And I 0:49:47.800 --> 0:49:50.040 knew when I smoked it would take me there. So 0:49:50.200 --> 0:49:52.840 fast forward. You know, I'm forty two now, I've been smoking, 0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:56.000 you know, for more than half my life. But we 0:49:56.040 --> 0:49:58.200 can always, we can explain until we're blue in the face. 0:49:58.239 --> 0:50:01.400 But I think the real breakthrough was when they were 0:50:01.440 --> 0:50:04.560 started having medical research behind this. So now we're saying. 0:50:04.600 --> 0:50:07.880 What we're saying is backed up by actual information, and 0:50:07.920 --> 0:50:10.040 I think obviously that's why it's moving the needle now. 0:50:10.080 --> 0:50:12.600 But it's we've been saying this, we just didn't have, 0:50:12.680 --> 0:50:15.280 like you said, the terminology, I guess is what they needed. 0:50:15.520 --> 0:50:18.640 And I think it's more more people that are successful 0:50:18.680 --> 0:50:20.680 in life come out and tell their story. I think 0:50:20.719 --> 0:50:22.640 that's going to drive even more. It's going to change 0:50:22.680 --> 0:50:23.600 the research questions. 0:50:23.640 --> 0:50:27.000 Yeah, I agree, So speak to exactly. I mean, you 0:50:27.040 --> 0:50:31.000 have it pretty narrow focused on different, you know, aspects 0:50:31.000 --> 0:50:32.799 of the cannabis space. So speak to us about your 0:50:32.840 --> 0:50:34.640 brand and the names of each and why you decided 0:50:34.680 --> 0:50:35.360 to go this route. 0:50:35.480 --> 0:50:38.759 Yeah, so like overall, you know, creating a brand. When 0:50:38.800 --> 0:50:40.799 I got into the cannabis space, like I saw it's 0:50:40.800 --> 0:50:42.799 like what people were calling a brand is you just 0:50:42.840 --> 0:50:46.520 create some like fancy packaging and then you convince people that. 0:50:46.480 --> 0:50:49.000 Yours is better than the next. And that's a brand. 0:50:49.560 --> 0:50:51.799 And to me, I think I get it, and they're 0:50:51.800 --> 0:50:53.480 people doing a great job. But for me, if I'm 0:50:53.480 --> 0:50:54.799 going to do a brand, it's got to be like 0:50:55.239 --> 0:50:56.719 be part of it, has to be part of me 0:50:56.840 --> 0:50:59.640 that that I'm putting out there, and so I was 0:50:59.680 --> 0:51:02.520 saying earlier about I had this experience of how cannabis 0:51:02.520 --> 0:51:04.520 actually helped me be a better football player and a 0:51:04.520 --> 0:51:08.040 better person, and so helping people make these connections. And 0:51:08.080 --> 0:51:10.200 one of the ways simple ways we did that is 0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:13.560 through are the naming convention of our flower and instead 0:51:13.560 --> 0:51:18.120 of the more conventional sativa indica hybrid, we call the 0:51:18.160 --> 0:51:21.880 more sativa leaning strains pregame the hybrid's halftime, and then the 0:51:21.960 --> 0:51:24.120 indica is postgame, right, so. 0:51:24.680 --> 0:51:29.600 It's you're a heavy indicas postgame pre game, Yeah, you 0:51:29.719 --> 0:51:31.480 pre game it post game exactly. 0:51:31.920 --> 0:51:33.719 And then and then we've been we've been having fun 0:51:33.760 --> 0:51:37.239 with the different like strainings, really trying to connect the 0:51:37.280 --> 0:51:39.240 genetics with our favorite athletes. 0:51:39.480 --> 0:51:42.319 Oh that's dopeyh Yeah, I definitely want to check that out. 0:51:42.440 --> 0:51:42.720 Yeah. 0:51:42.760 --> 0:51:45.160 Traditionally someone who was kind of private, but you you 0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:48.120 really started to open up more with two docs on 0:51:48.160 --> 0:51:51.000 a TV game show working on a biopic. 0:51:51.800 --> 0:51:54.839 Who you want to play you? I feel like there's 0:51:54.840 --> 0:51:56.359 going to be some unknown person that. 0:51:56.440 --> 0:51:58.160 If there was, if there was a famous person, though 0:51:58.840 --> 0:52:00.239 they're the famous person to play you. 0:52:00.600 --> 0:52:02.279 But see, it's tough because we have to go to 0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:03.480 that age, that age. 0:52:03.320 --> 0:52:05.960 Range, and I like, I don't really know that many 0:52:06.040 --> 0:52:07.880 actors in that age range. 0:52:08.800 --> 0:52:10.000 So you're gonna put someone on the map. 0:52:10.040 --> 0:52:12.719 I'm gonna put somebody on somebody's gonna just blow us 0:52:12.760 --> 0:52:13.680 away and there. Yeah. 0:52:14.719 --> 0:52:18.359 Are you obviously more comfortable in the public eye now 0:52:18.520 --> 0:52:21.439 and and and just kind of freely out here kind 0:52:21.440 --> 0:52:24.080 of being yourself or is it still kind of you 0:52:24.120 --> 0:52:25.440 just still kind of hold back a little bit. 0:52:25.920 --> 0:52:28.520 Yeah, I'm I'm out there now. I like got to 0:52:28.560 --> 0:52:32.799 the point where I really fuck it. Yeah, it's me. Yeah, 0:52:32.920 --> 0:52:34.120 take it, take it, leave it. 0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:36.360 At a certain point in life, like you realize that 0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:38.640 young people need guidance and if we're trying to pretend 0:52:38.680 --> 0:52:41.160 to be something else, that's that's not a good that's 0:52:41.200 --> 0:52:42.399 not a good example. 0:52:42.120 --> 0:52:44.120 That's and that's a shitty way to live. I tell you, 0:52:44.239 --> 0:52:47.279 be you the best you can be. Is you so 0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:49.480 hard of being somebody else? Every hardest thing to do? 0:52:49.600 --> 0:52:52.200 Just be yourself. Everyone else has already And and the 0:52:52.239 --> 0:52:54.640 people that supposed to be in your life and that's 0:52:54.680 --> 0:52:56.480 supposed to support you and love you, they gonna be 0:52:56.520 --> 0:52:57.799 there regardless of who you are. 0:52:58.080 --> 0:52:58.760 Just be yourself. 0:52:59.160 --> 0:53:01.240 I had that same away and when I left, everybody 0:53:01.239 --> 0:53:03.680 thought I was crazy, But my experience was this is 0:53:03.719 --> 0:53:06.000 the happiest I ever been. And so I was like, 0:53:06.040 --> 0:53:07.920 people in my life that can that are happy that 0:53:08.000 --> 0:53:08.520 I'm happy? 0:53:08.760 --> 0:53:10.799 Those are my people. People that have a problem with that. 0:53:11.600 --> 0:53:16.280 Yeah, writing's on the wall. Yeah, well man, we appreciate 0:53:16.320 --> 0:53:18.359 your time. We're gonna come down to Quick Hitters band. 0:53:18.440 --> 0:53:21.120 First thing across your mind, let us know who are 0:53:21.120 --> 0:53:22.880 some of the people in the cannabis space. 0:53:23.239 --> 0:53:24.680 Uh you look up to. 0:53:26.040 --> 0:53:28.399 H right now. The first person that comes to mind 0:53:28.480 --> 0:53:29.759 is Chris Ball. 0:53:30.120 --> 0:53:31.560 Okay, Ball Family Farms. 0:53:31.640 --> 0:53:32.239 Yeah, that's there. 0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:33.080 That's as folks. 0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:35.640 Yeah, I mean just like heart and just like what 0:53:35.680 --> 0:53:38.160 he's what the opportunity has and what he's doing with it. 0:53:38.239 --> 0:53:41.480 You know, he talks about cultivating the culture. And I 0:53:41.480 --> 0:53:44.440 think sometimes when I when I think about the industry, 0:53:44.560 --> 0:53:47.920 it's like it makes me sad sometimes because it's becomes 0:53:47.960 --> 0:53:50.880 just about like starting to become just about the money. 0:53:51.280 --> 0:53:53.080 And what I love about what Chris is doing, it's 0:53:53.120 --> 0:53:54.040 really about the plant. 0:53:55.280 --> 0:53:58.120 We did a collabor with him, shut out the Ball 0:53:58.200 --> 0:54:00.920 family and that flower right, Yeah, something Now he's got 0:54:00.960 --> 0:54:01.640 some shit over there. 0:54:01.719 --> 0:54:04.359 Yeah, what's the longest time you spent meditating. 0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:08.279 Like in one city for four hours probably, wow, But 0:54:08.360 --> 0:54:10.879 that's not a lot, Like, that's not that's I got. 0:54:10.920 --> 0:54:13.280 I got probably close to thirty minutes. 0:54:14.120 --> 0:54:16.399 But you fall asleep, nah, But you know when I pray, 0:54:16.560 --> 0:54:17.759 you know, after I pray. 0:54:18.080 --> 0:54:20.440 Yeah, yeah, this was like time was up in the 0:54:20.560 --> 0:54:23.400 MLA is like just up there to meditate. That was 0:54:24.160 --> 0:54:24.959 that's a long time. 0:54:25.080 --> 0:54:27.040 So when you say that's when you say it's not 0:54:27.080 --> 0:54:28.759 a long time. What is a long time to someone 0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:32.359 who is actually in the space and really well to me. 0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:36.720 People like, honestly, a good meditation is five minutes. Okay, 0:54:37.320 --> 0:54:40.480 it's just about centering yourself and then because if someone 0:54:40.480 --> 0:54:42.840 needs to go out in the day, five minutes you're centered. 0:54:42.960 --> 0:54:45.279 But if you know, I was on retreat, I was 0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:46.960 like out for a couple of months, and I was 0:54:46.960 --> 0:54:50.120 trying to like go deeper into myself, and so it's 0:54:50.160 --> 0:54:52.520 like you sit for five minutes and things like settle 0:54:52.560 --> 0:54:55.160 down to a certain level. But as you sit there, 0:54:55.280 --> 0:54:57.640 like more stuff comes to the surface, you know, and 0:54:57.640 --> 0:55:00.160 then if you can sit there, then that settles and 0:55:00.160 --> 0:55:02.719 then just the more time it just gives you ability 0:55:02.719 --> 0:55:03.360 to just go. 0:55:03.520 --> 0:55:05.640 So what do you I'm someone that's kind of wanted 0:55:05.640 --> 0:55:07.839 to get what are you actually focusing on? 0:55:07.920 --> 0:55:08.440 Why you try? 0:55:08.520 --> 0:55:11.200 So if you say a five power five minute meditation, 0:55:11.520 --> 0:55:13.200 so your things are coming to your mind, what do 0:55:13.239 --> 0:55:15.040 you do to kind So. 0:55:15.440 --> 0:55:18.400 The simplest technique, and really what meditation is about is 0:55:18.400 --> 0:55:20.600 it doesn't really matter what the point of focus is. 0:55:21.000 --> 0:55:23.000 So when people when we're playing our sport or we're 0:55:23.040 --> 0:55:25.520 doing our thing and we're in a zone, that's a 0:55:25.600 --> 0:55:28.520 meditation because meditation just means the nature of our mind. 0:55:28.600 --> 0:55:30.920 It just goes in all these different directions all the time, 0:55:31.239 --> 0:55:33.680 and meditation is just bringing the bringing it about. 0:55:33.719 --> 0:55:34.840 It doesn't even matter what the point is. 0:55:34.920 --> 0:55:37.040 Some people use a mantrass, some people use their heart 0:55:37.160 --> 0:55:40.040 or their their head, but it's just having it could 0:55:40.040 --> 0:55:42.800 be a thought and idea a person. It's just having 0:55:42.880 --> 0:55:45.560 one thing that you can bring the mind back to. 0:55:45.920 --> 0:55:48.759 I mean this is why sports, I think, especially at 0:55:48.760 --> 0:55:51.360 our level, it's so beneficial because it forces you to 0:55:51.440 --> 0:55:53.520 learn to meditate. Right, your mind wants to go, but 0:55:53.640 --> 0:55:55.239 you got a job to do. So the mind is 0:55:55.280 --> 0:55:59.160 trained to be focused on one So for us, like 0:55:59.440 --> 0:56:01.479 we know how to meditate, you. 0:56:01.360 --> 0:56:04.120 Know, we just got to do something that has. 0:56:03.920 --> 0:56:08.080 Our attention and the mind foot will focus. But that's 0:56:08.080 --> 0:56:10.520 all meditation is just training the mind when it goes here, 0:56:10.560 --> 0:56:12.719 to bring it back here. And then once it like 0:56:12.840 --> 0:56:15.080 it gets trained and stops wandering, it can sit in 0:56:15.080 --> 0:56:17.360 one place and then it becomes more profound. 0:56:17.440 --> 0:56:18.760 You notice more things. 0:56:20.120 --> 0:56:22.280 Are there any other things. 0:56:23.320 --> 0:56:27.719 Psilocybin, mushrooms, anything in that psychedelic realm, so to. 0:56:27.719 --> 0:56:29.240 Speak, that you feel that can help people. 0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:32.640 I think all of the psychedelics because and I consider 0:56:32.719 --> 0:56:35.680 cannabis is a psychedelic. It's just mild, something you can 0:56:35.680 --> 0:56:37.680 do more on a daily basis. I think a lot 0:56:37.680 --> 0:56:40.839 of the other psychedelics they're more like when you got 0:56:40.840 --> 0:56:42.440 to flush your system out, you know. 0:56:42.880 --> 0:56:45.920 But I think that cannabis is more like the daily maintenance. 0:56:46.280 --> 0:56:50.279 And even the worst psychedelic it means soul revealing, right, 0:56:50.320 --> 0:56:53.600 revealing ourselves to ourselves or another word that uses entheagen 0:56:53.880 --> 0:56:54.760 is the god within. 0:56:55.120 --> 0:56:56.200 So I think all of these. 0:56:56.040 --> 0:56:59.800 Substances it's the same thing as meditation. It's just getting 0:56:59.840 --> 0:57:02.240 your mind off the bullshit and just focusing on something 0:57:02.239 --> 0:57:03.560 that's like more real. 0:57:03.960 --> 0:57:09.279 Five dinner guests dead or alive, so definitely Bob, Yes, sir, 0:57:10.840 --> 0:57:12.400 definitely pop m hm. 0:57:13.360 --> 0:57:20.000 And then I'm like Jesus Mohammad and uh, roomy, who's 0:57:20.040 --> 0:57:20.640 that he's? 0:57:20.720 --> 0:57:20.840 Uh? 0:57:21.040 --> 0:57:27.120 He was a mystic poet pop talk about him? Yeah yeah, ok, yeah, okay, 0:57:27.360 --> 0:57:29.200 here's a poet? Is a room m to me? Something 0:57:29.200 --> 0:57:29.920 like that? Yeah? Yeah. 0:57:30.560 --> 0:57:32.720 What artists do you currently have on rotation? And what 0:57:32.840 --> 0:57:35.440 genre music you best? The best describes your running style? 0:57:35.560 --> 0:57:36.240 Two questions. 0:57:37.960 --> 0:57:40.520 So the what I'm listening to right now is on repeat, 0:57:40.560 --> 0:57:42.840 I just have It's Damian Marley. I listened to all 0:57:42.880 --> 0:57:44.360 of Marley's a lot, but right now. 0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:47.680 I've just been on Damien for for a minute. Jam rock. 0:57:47.960 --> 0:57:49.080 Yeah yeah. 0:57:50.120 --> 0:57:52.240 And your running style, what kind of music is that? 0:57:52.360 --> 0:57:55.160 A good one? I think? Uh? 0:57:55.600 --> 0:57:59.240 Like I came up in nineties West Coast hip hop. 0:58:00.320 --> 0:58:02.080 It's like smooth and then it hits it. 0:58:04.760 --> 0:58:09.960 Yeah exactly, we all know that. Yeah. Yeah. 0:58:10.000 --> 0:58:12.080 What's the first thing you do when you wake up 0:58:12.120 --> 0:58:13.600 and the last thing you do before. 0:58:13.400 --> 0:58:15.280 You go to sleep? The first thing I do when 0:58:15.280 --> 0:58:20.320 I wake up is I roll up, and then I pray, 0:58:21.120 --> 0:58:21.760 and then you smoke. 0:58:21.800 --> 0:58:23.000 After you pray, I smoke after that. 0:58:23.760 --> 0:58:26.400 I noticed I noticed this morning I rolled up. I 0:58:26.520 --> 0:58:29.240 rolled up first, and then I went upstairs. Some mornings 0:58:29.320 --> 0:58:31.800 I pray first, but this morning I rolled up, then 0:58:31.800 --> 0:58:34.360 I pray, then I smoke, and then I read, meditate, 0:58:35.240 --> 0:58:36.920 and before I go to bed, I'm always reading. 0:58:37.080 --> 0:58:40.160 I read and smoke until I fall asleep. See. 0:58:40.200 --> 0:58:44.560 I pray, meditate, smoke every morning. Yeah, if you could 0:58:44.560 --> 0:58:47.200 see one person on our show, who would it be? 0:58:48.880 --> 0:58:51.440 But before you answer that, you have to help us 0:58:51.440 --> 0:58:54.760 get your answer on the show. All right, Janeico, Oh 0:58:54.800 --> 0:58:58.720 that's dope. And she smokes heavy too. Yeah yeah, actually yes, 0:58:59.000 --> 0:58:59.600 do you know her? 0:58:59.880 --> 0:59:00.400 I don't. 0:59:02.280 --> 0:59:05.320 And we're gonna put a college big y'all both, we 0:59:05.360 --> 0:59:06.040 need both of y'all. 0:59:06.040 --> 0:59:09.200 Both y'all big shop. There's real for both, y'all. 0:59:09.760 --> 0:59:12.400 Well, man, that's a wrap, Ricky Man, we appreciate your time. 0:59:13.040 --> 0:59:14.800 I'm glad we got a chance to talk to you. 0:59:14.840 --> 0:59:14.960 Man. 0:59:14.960 --> 0:59:16.600 I've been a big fan of yours for a long time. 0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:19.960 Obviously I'm a huge football fan. But again that you 0:59:20.000 --> 0:59:22.760 were before your time in the cannabis space, and uh, 0:59:22.800 --> 0:59:25.240 you know, we're someone like myself and my brother Al Harrington. 0:59:25.280 --> 0:59:28.600 We really kind of took that Jackson and really kind 0:59:28.600 --> 0:59:30.320 of continue to push the narrative man, but I feel 0:59:30.320 --> 0:59:31.200 like it really started with you. 0:59:31.280 --> 0:59:32.439 Man. I appreciate what you guys. 0:59:32.840 --> 0:59:34.080 Yeah, we need it, definitely. 0:59:34.080 --> 0:59:37.040 I'm a text boy, so I'm a different type of fan. Man. 0:59:37.080 --> 0:59:40.120 That's a rap with our man, Ricky Williams. See y'all 0:59:40.120 --> 0:59:40.520 next week. 0:59:40.680 --> 0:59:40.960 Peace,