Speaker 1: H m hmmm mm hmm. Welcome back all the smoke
Speaker 1: for twenty edition.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir Jack, what's the good full of these burgers?
Speaker 2: I just had shut out the burn and that big
Speaker 2: old blunt I had after that, So.
Speaker 3: It's four twenty brother with me, just bad with me?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Man, we got a very special guest today, a pioneer
Speaker 4: in the cannabis space but also amazing athlete.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the show, Ricky Williams.
Speaker 1: What up man? Well?
Speaker 4: Brother, yeah good, thanks for being here. And we rolled
Speaker 4: them up some of this bond bonds. This leaves bonbons,
Speaker 4: so we'll enjoying this seven leaves bomb bond on this
Speaker 4: special four to twenty episode. Man, what is the present
Speaker 4: day looking like for Ricky Williams?
Speaker 1: These days?
Speaker 5: I mean a lot of this, okay, A lot of
Speaker 5: smoking and a lot of talking. So I have a
Speaker 5: couple of businesses, so I wake up and handle like
Speaker 5: business stuff, and then the afternoons, my side hustle is
Speaker 5: I do professional astrology readings.
Speaker 1: So really we'll talk to people like three people a day.
Speaker 3: So you read cards.
Speaker 5: I read cards, but more I read astrology charts. So
Speaker 5: people give me their birth information and then I look
Speaker 5: at where the stars and the planets where when they
Speaker 5: were born and just try to give them some insight.
Speaker 4: How long does that take because I want to do
Speaker 4: that shit after the episode? Yeah, I mean, no, that's dope.
Speaker 4: We got what got you into that?
Speaker 5: So back in two thousand and four, when I retired
Speaker 5: from football, I just started traveling around the world and
Speaker 5: I met this lady and she started talking to me
Speaker 5: about shit, and it's just like I lost it, just
Speaker 5: blew my mind and gave me some direction, and so
Speaker 5: I say, like, whatever that is, I need to like
Speaker 5: get some of that.
Speaker 3: Tap into it. Yeah, that's dope.
Speaker 4: With the NFL Draft around the corner, are you still
Speaker 4: locked into football all you pay attention at all?
Speaker 3: Or you kind of removed yourself from that now.
Speaker 5: If it's on, I can't help but be all the way,
Speaker 5: all the way in it, So, but I don't watch
Speaker 5: it that much.
Speaker 1: It's funny.
Speaker 5: I was watching the Super Bowl with my wife and
Speaker 5: we got married after I finished football, and so she
Speaker 5: never really seen me watch sports, and so the game
Speaker 5: was on and I just was so locked in.
Speaker 1: She's like, who are you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, do you do you miss it at all? Obviously?
Speaker 4: You know we're going to get into how decorated your
Speaker 4: career was. You chose to step away obviously a little
Speaker 4: sooner than than you could have, but miss it at all, obviously,
Speaker 4: you say when you when you watch you still locked
Speaker 4: in thoughts on just the sport as a whole.
Speaker 5: You know what I miss and what I loved about
Speaker 5: it was it was one place I could go every
Speaker 5: day and I could just like put it all on
Speaker 5: the table and just everything and it wasn't too much.
Speaker 5: And I missed that where everyone is aligned with the
Speaker 5: same goal and.
Speaker 1: No excuses, just get to work and get it done.
Speaker 1: I missed that.
Speaker 2: Talked about talk to us about your upbringing the San
Speaker 2: Diego what was that like?
Speaker 5: So I guess, like a lot of people that grew
Speaker 5: up in time, I grew up, my parents split up,
Speaker 5: and really my mom was more like a dad anyway,
Speaker 5: and so I just had like a mom that was just.
Speaker 3: About it, super mom.
Speaker 5: Yeah like that, And so it just taught me how
Speaker 5: to be tough and and above everything. She just taught
Speaker 5: me that life ain't gonna be fair, don't expect it
Speaker 5: to be, to make the most of every situation.
Speaker 2: My mom's mom similarly the same way Like, So, having
Speaker 2: a strong mother like that at a young age, did
Speaker 2: you have to.
Speaker 5: Change the decision making Nope, Nope, because my mom's My
Speaker 5: mom's thing was she wasn't like, don't do stuff. She
Speaker 5: was like, if you do something, like be smart enough
Speaker 5: to get away with it, and if you're not, like,
Speaker 5: take your lumps to learn. And so it just was
Speaker 5: really an attitude that that allowed me just to go
Speaker 5: for it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: It's been said that even at an early age, you
Speaker 2: had a profound outlook on life has been an adventure.
Speaker 3: Talk about that.
Speaker 5: That's just from church. I think, yeah, you know, just
Speaker 5: going to church, and I was one of those kids.
Speaker 5: I just was always locked in until whatever the preacher
Speaker 5: was saying, whether he was living it or people were.
Speaker 1: Living in I just will take it up. I was
Speaker 1: locked in.
Speaker 5: And so, like I said, my first role model, just
Speaker 5: because I was exposed to him every week, was was
Speaker 5: Jesus and the idea like he really didn't care what
Speaker 5: people thought. He just was willing to go for it.
Speaker 5: So I picked that up and I tried to live
Speaker 5: that out of my life.
Speaker 3: It's not a bad role model to have.
Speaker 5: Yeah, church started to become an issue when I got
Speaker 5: like fifteen and they started to talk about that way
Speaker 5: till you get married.
Speaker 2: I was like, wait a minute, I don't know when
Speaker 2: did sports of martial laws come into play?
Speaker 1: Early early?
Speaker 5: I remember in kindergarten we had this teacher and she
Speaker 5: was really big at the fitness and so she would
Speaker 5: make us run two laps around the field.
Speaker 1: And I remember the first day I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 5: Feel like But then after two days, I just got curious,
Speaker 5: like what if I was the first one like to finish?
Speaker 1: What I would feel like? And I just took off
Speaker 1: and I never stopped.
Speaker 5: Now got that feeling that I realized I could do
Speaker 5: something or something I was could be the best at
Speaker 5: and I just I just leaned into.
Speaker 1: That's a feeling.
Speaker 4: Patrick Henry High School in San Diego. We got another
Speaker 4: San Diego guy behind the camera. What school did you
Speaker 4: go to? Big fella? The Saints Saint Augustine. Football and
Speaker 4: baseball were the two sports in high school you chose
Speaker 4: to run with. Tell me what you loved about each
Speaker 4: of them.
Speaker 5: Okay, what I loved? So baseball was my first love
Speaker 5: growing up in San Diego. Watching Tony Gwen, I thought
Speaker 5: I was gonna be like the next Tony Gwy and
Speaker 5: my my stepdad was.
Speaker 1: He was Pandomanian and he just loved baseball.
Speaker 5: So it just was like he taught me how to
Speaker 5: play baseball, and it just was that thing. Because my
Speaker 5: mom told me when I was seven, she said, you
Speaker 5: are going to college and I am not paying for it.
Speaker 5: So I knew I had to had to do something,
Speaker 5: but I thought it would be baseball. Kept playing in
Speaker 5: football came along. I started playing when I was eighth grade.
Speaker 5: I just was so much better.
Speaker 3: It just always a running back.
Speaker 1: I love playing defense too. Offense always, yeah, I love
Speaker 1: to hit.
Speaker 4: I could see you, big strong, thick ass out there
Speaker 4: popping people exactly. Yep, you end up taking a scholarship
Speaker 4: to Texas. What other colleges were in play at the time.
Speaker 1: I pretty much.
Speaker 5: Could have gone to any college. I took my recruiting
Speaker 5: trips to Berkeley.
Speaker 4: It seems like you would have fit into Berkeley. It
Speaker 4: wasn't your thing, you know.
Speaker 5: So I decided when I was a kid, I wanted
Speaker 5: to be a professional baseball player, but I decided I
Speaker 5: wanted to be a college football player. So my whole
Speaker 5: thing about was a college football experience. So I went
Speaker 5: to I took a trip to SC. Close to going
Speaker 5: to SC, took a trip to Texas, Notre Dame, and
Speaker 5: at the end of the day Texas just you know,
Speaker 5: I was looking for that that the program where they
Speaker 5: were almost on top and they just needed a couple
Speaker 5: of missing pieces and I could be that missing piece.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking for it. But I knew I had
Speaker 1: to start as a freshman.
Speaker 5: I knew if I was on the bench, like if
Speaker 5: I had a red shirt out, I wouldn't make it.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: I got to go in and flight. Yeah, straight up.
Speaker 4: I had to feel that San Diego has a rich
Speaker 4: history of Heisman Trophy winners. When you were able to
Speaker 4: bring that home, what did that mean for you?
Speaker 1: It's interesting we have four we actually have four Heisman
Speaker 1: Trophy winners.
Speaker 2: So you run back Reggie Bush, Marcus Allen.
Speaker 1: And Rashon Saloon.
Speaker 3: Rashon Salon, Yeah, he went he was a husky, right, he.
Speaker 1: Was a buffalo. He's a buffalo.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, okay, Colorado, yeah, okay, Yeah, Well what did
Speaker 4: that mean? Obviously, such a rich, rich history of great
Speaker 4: running back from that area, and you were able to
Speaker 4: continue to carry on that tradition.
Speaker 5: No, Like it might sound cheesy, but it was one
Speaker 5: of those things where I just I reflected back on
Speaker 5: all the people that helped me get to that place,
Speaker 5: and just reflected on my upbringing and how when I
Speaker 5: was a kid, I had dreams and realized like all
Speaker 5: the people that had to show up to help me
Speaker 5: achieve those and I was just one of those moments
Speaker 5: where I accomplished something and I knew I had to
Speaker 5: do the work, but just realizing how many other people
Speaker 5: it took the hell handle, yeah, and feeling like hoping
Speaker 5: that all the people, you know, because I was a
Speaker 5: knucklehead some time when I was a kid, a lot
Speaker 5: of people had to like let me slide and forgive
Speaker 5: me and give me second chances, and just thinking of,
Speaker 5: you know, all those people hopefully at that moment where
Speaker 5: they saw me receiving the trophy that they felt like
Speaker 5: they were part of it.
Speaker 3: Right, that's special.
Speaker 4: Ninety five to ninety seven, you played minor league baseball
Speaker 4: with the Phillies.
Speaker 3: What was that like?
Speaker 1: It was horrible?
Speaker 5: It was horrible, but it helped me grow up though, Okay,
Speaker 5: it helped me grow up.
Speaker 3: So this is what you're I was out of high school.
Speaker 5: So I left even like three days before I graduated
Speaker 5: from from high school.
Speaker 1: I got on a got on a plane and flew.
Speaker 5: To Martinsville, Virginia, which is this tiny little town in Virginia.
Speaker 5: In Virginia, and I was eighteen. I was like in
Speaker 5: the South, staying with this dude named Bobby and punkin
Speaker 5: in this house.
Speaker 1: It was it just was culture shock, and I was
Speaker 1: I was just homesick. It just was.
Speaker 5: It was hard, but it was it helped me grow up,
Speaker 5: right because like minor league baseball, you made eight fifty
Speaker 5: eight to fifty a month, and it's like you're even
Speaker 5: with others.
Speaker 1: A grind.
Speaker 3: What was the baseball? How was the baseball part? I struggled.
Speaker 4: I struggled, do you think mentally because it was such
Speaker 4: an adjustment mentally that you struggled obviously on the on
Speaker 4: the actual sports side of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: If I'm being real, like you know, I'm kind of
Speaker 5: a sensitive person and so if I don't feel like
Speaker 5: comfortable in my surroundings that I like, I don't act right.
Speaker 5: But if I feel comfortable, I can handle anything.
Speaker 1: If I okay.
Speaker 5: And so it just took me a while to figure out,
Speaker 5: like what that sweet spot is for me.
Speaker 1: Baseball. I get it was rough, but I grew up
Speaker 1: because I would.
Speaker 5: Go I went from minor league baseball straight to my
Speaker 5: freshman year playing football, and then I would go back
Speaker 5: to baseball and then back to football. So I would
Speaker 5: go from you know, everybody like being the best, to
Speaker 5: you know, just being a dude on the bus swinging
Speaker 5: the bat.
Speaker 1: So it kept me, It kept me home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: Let me ask a question. Were you cool when the
Speaker 1: basketball players when you were Texas? I was Who were
Speaker 1: you cool with?
Speaker 5: I was cool with when I was in school with
Speaker 5: Chris Klack?
Speaker 1: Chris Clack. I played against him in state championship my
Speaker 1: junior year. Yeah, Rich clag Yeah. They went to Austin
Speaker 1: Edison Yeah yeah, sure, yeah sure.
Speaker 5: Also Reggie you know Reggie FREEMANGI yeah he was.
Speaker 1: He was a senior when I when I got there.
Speaker 1: Did you know bj Tyler? I did? I sure did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we're from the same hometown. Put off the text, Okay,
Speaker 1: yeah for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: We had a James Brown, a quarterback with some portar Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Despite being a high first round projected picking none of
Speaker 4: the eight you tried to decide to go back to
Speaker 4: school for your senior year.
Speaker 3: What made that jump in a time?
Speaker 4: Actually you were a little early, but everyone is so
Speaker 4: eager to jump now you actually decided to go back
Speaker 4: and finish.
Speaker 1: Like I said, when I was a kid, my goal
Speaker 1: wasn't even really to go to the NFL. It was
Speaker 1: to be a college football player.
Speaker 5: But I'm not gonna lie. After I had my junior
Speaker 5: I led the nation in Russian and scored. I was
Speaker 5: thinking that going to the next level. And then I
Speaker 5: was sitting in our media guy's office and he had
Speaker 5: one of those almanacs on his desk, and so I
Speaker 5: started flipping through it, and I flipped through to the
Speaker 5: record for all time.
Speaker 1: Leading rusher in college football history.
Speaker 5: And I looked and I saw, like, damn, if I
Speaker 5: have a similar year and I had last year, I
Speaker 5: could be like most ever. And I flipped a couple
Speaker 5: of pages to touchdowns and the same thing. I was like,
Speaker 5: I got it. Then I went to all purpose yards,
Speaker 5: did the math. I was like, Okay, if I come back,
Speaker 5: I knew it was a risk.
Speaker 1: If I come back.
Speaker 5: And have the same kind of year, you know, I
Speaker 5: could break all these records with their reach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I couldn't. I couldn't. So what was it like?
Speaker 4: Obviously the college experience of self, but then knowing what
Speaker 4: was on the line, really studying it and knowing what's
Speaker 4: on the line your senior year. What was that senior
Speaker 4: year like with all the attention you received, you.
Speaker 5: Know, for real, it's when I started smoking. That's when
Speaker 5: it all started. Because I came back everything on the line.
Speaker 5: I was focused, and within the first couple of weeks
Speaker 5: I had, I had a bad game against Kansas State
Speaker 5: and I found out that my girl for like two years,
Speaker 5: was like messing with the quarterback on the team.
Speaker 1: On your team, on the other team on my dude
Speaker 1: handed me the ball.
Speaker 5: So so I was sick, and you know, I was
Speaker 5: trying to be like the better person, to not make
Speaker 5: a big deal and like mess up the whole season.
Speaker 5: But at the same time I was. I remember I
Speaker 5: was sitting there at home after the game. I was
Speaker 5: just like, why the fuck did I come back for
Speaker 5: this ship? Like, you know, my mind started early in
Speaker 5: the season. Early in the season, my mind started going
Speaker 5: to like I should have gone, I should have I
Speaker 5: should have left, and my homeboy, like he's a smoker
Speaker 5: and he's like, dude, you just need to chill.
Speaker 1: He slid his ball over.
Speaker 5: I hit it, and it was I had smoked a
Speaker 5: little bit, but it was the first time where I
Speaker 5: where I noticed that It took my mind off of
Speaker 5: obsessing about the bullshit and I started thinking like about
Speaker 5: next the next game and and no lie back to
Speaker 5: back three hundred yard.
Speaker 4: Rush after after that the first time seeing and I
Speaker 4: loved that. Obviously we're going to get into it. You
Speaker 4: were really a pioneer in this space as far as
Speaker 4: just going to be.
Speaker 1: Out forward with it.
Speaker 4: But to see where medicating is in sports today and
Speaker 4: kind of knowing after that first ball hit that shit
Speaker 4: really changed your life.
Speaker 3: Yeah easy to say.
Speaker 4: I mean throughout your career knowing you needed that. How
Speaker 4: how do you look at today's current policy for current athletes.
Speaker 5: I think it's it's changing, thank goodness. But you just
Speaker 5: said I needed it. And so when I got into
Speaker 5: the league, Yeah, that's the right word.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why.
Speaker 5: So I got in the league, and and when I
Speaker 5: first got the league, I wasn't really smoking that much.
Speaker 5: I smoke every once in a while with the guys,
Speaker 5: but we're only being tested one time a year and
Speaker 5: it was in training campra when I was with the Saints,
Speaker 5: and so I never had an issue. And then I
Speaker 5: was my third year, I kept getting hurt, and so
Speaker 5: I started smoking a little bit more when I was hurt.
Speaker 5: And then I got traded to Miami, and then I
Speaker 5: started smoking a lot, and and nobody told me that
Speaker 5: in Miami they drug test in the off season. So
Speaker 5: I came to work one day and they were like,
Speaker 5: you know, and then they got they put me in
Speaker 5: the program. And when they put you in the program,
Speaker 5: they test you nine times a month and you got
Speaker 5: to talk.
Speaker 1: To like a therapist for two years. Yeah. Same, same, Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they put me in.
Speaker 5: They put me in the program, and at first I
Speaker 5: was like, I mean, I don't need to smoke, It's cool,
Speaker 5: you know. Then after about like three weeks, I was
Speaker 5: like damn. I was like, I can't do this shit
Speaker 5: if I taking care of myself, right, So I started
Speaker 5: to find a way to like smoke and still pass
Speaker 5: the drug test. So what I think to me, especially football,
Speaker 5: but I really all sports, if we're you know, what
Speaker 5: we do to our bodies. I think leagues need to
Speaker 5: give us all reasonable means to take care of ourselves.
Speaker 5: And that's besides the conversation of how much better this is.
Speaker 1: The pharmaceuticals right question.
Speaker 2: I completely understand that nineteen ninety nine draft, the infamous trade,
Speaker 2: the same trade every single pick they have, I mean,
Speaker 2: the mascot, the concession stand.
Speaker 1: They trade everybody for the boy. Talk about that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was, I was.
Speaker 5: I was honored, But at the same time, I wanted
Speaker 5: to be the number of the number one pick. So
Speaker 5: I'm kind of salty, But I mean there's still they're
Speaker 5: still they're still telling.
Speaker 1: The story now, so that that's that's the positive side
Speaker 1: of it. They gave up headsets, coolers, they gave up
Speaker 1: all those picks and the first pick for the next year.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have done it.
Speaker 3: I would have done it.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have done it.
Speaker 5: I mean, if if he had coming to me and
Speaker 5: he said I'm thinking about making.
Speaker 1: This trade, I would have said, don't do it. You
Speaker 1: don't do it. Yeah, don't do it.
Speaker 4: Knowing all that, and everyone else knowing all that, your
Speaker 4: team knowing all that, How hard did that?
Speaker 3: Did Did that make it tough?
Speaker 4: Coming into training camp and and and kind of your
Speaker 4: first taste of the pros or was it smooth.
Speaker 5: It made it tough in the sense that there was
Speaker 5: just all this like extra like extra stuff on top
Speaker 5: of Yeah, that was like it's not necessary to me.
Speaker 5: What I what I loved about the game was like practice,
Speaker 5: when you go on practice or when the game starts,
Speaker 5: everything is focused.
Speaker 1: When I hated about all the other stuff that happens
Speaker 1: out of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, to me, it's like if I'm doing my job
Speaker 5: on the field, like what does it matter, right.
Speaker 1: That's to do?
Speaker 4: Yeah, especially when I'm not really I'm chilling. I'm not
Speaker 4: out there fucking going crazy and doing all this other shit.
Speaker 3: I'm in my house medicating exactly, staying.
Speaker 4: Out the way. No limit sports. How did that happen?
Speaker 4: So we're trying to get Pete too. I texted this
Speaker 4: moil was like, Yo, we have Rick on the show Man.
Speaker 4: We need you to come through too. But you talk
Speaker 4: to us about what that experience was like.
Speaker 2: By a whole pounds some master p Yeah, I'm a Romeo,
Speaker 2: little Romeo.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a lesson. You know, for me, I
Speaker 5: thought I was an opportunity to do something different. And
Speaker 5: when I when I came into the league and all
Speaker 5: the agents, you know, typical agents coming at me, it
Speaker 5: just felt like slimy and this dude Terry Rito like Pete,
Speaker 5: like the runner for a No Limit Sports, Like he
Speaker 5: became like an uncle to me and we just can't
Speaker 5: real tight, like I could tell him anything and just
Speaker 5: he just really helped me navigate that process. So when
Speaker 5: the relationship fell through with my with my agent and
Speaker 5: I was looking for finding a new agent, I was like,
Speaker 5: since I have this kind of familiar relationship and I
Speaker 5: feel like these people, it just makes sense to I
Speaker 5: didn't realize everyone having like an opinion about it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: I thought it was an opportunity to say, like, we
Speaker 5: keep looking to these kinds of people to take care
Speaker 5: of us when there's other types of people out there.
Speaker 5: And he was just starting No lim in Sports, and
Speaker 5: I thought landed me like this could be an opportunity
Speaker 5: to change something.
Speaker 4: Help grow his company too. So how was your experience
Speaker 4: with it? Like you said, it was a learning It
Speaker 4: was wonderful.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: I was fortunate because all of this happened before the draft,
Speaker 5: and so you know PB from New Orleans, it was on.
Speaker 5: It was on, and I felt in a sense when
Speaker 5: I first got to New Orleans, I did feel like
Speaker 5: a familial kind of sense because they were just down
Speaker 5: in bound rouge and they were deep. So I felt
Speaker 5: like I was part of the No Limit family. I
Speaker 5: had my chain and everything.
Speaker 1: Hey, they were a movement, they were a whole movement.
Speaker 5: And then when it came down to the actual contract negotiation,
Speaker 5: I took control and I and this was on me.
Speaker 5: I told my agent what I what I wanted, and
Speaker 5: again for me, I saw it as an opportunity to explain.
Speaker 1: Statement for all the people that don't know what was
Speaker 1: So what I.
Speaker 5: Said is my agent came back to me and basically
Speaker 5: had three different deals. What I told him going in
Speaker 5: is I said, you know, I said, I want to
Speaker 5: be paid for for my performance. I said, because I'm
Speaker 5: the only draft pick that there's a certain like rookie
Speaker 5: pool of the max amount of money that they can give.
Speaker 5: I said, just give me that like max amount that
Speaker 5: they can give me for what I've done in the past.
Speaker 5: But moving forward, I want my performance performance bace. And
Speaker 5: my agent said, well, you could get hurt and all
Speaker 5: that stuff.
Speaker 1: I said, I don't.
Speaker 5: I said, I don't care, and he said, look, he said, look,
Speaker 5: I'm going to go and negotiate three contracts, one that
Speaker 5: what you want, one of what I think more most
Speaker 5: guaranteed money, and then we'll do something in the middle.
Speaker 5: And he tried to convince me to take that one
Speaker 5: in the middle, but I said no. I said, I
Speaker 5: want the one that only pays me if I kill it.
Speaker 2: But that makes sense because that's what the youngsters y'all
Speaker 2: need to pay attention. Because the agent works for you,
Speaker 2: you don't work for him. So that's how it's supposed
Speaker 2: to be anyway.
Speaker 4: But then unfortunately got hurt though, right I got hurt though,
Speaker 4: talk to us about that process.
Speaker 5: My whole career from pop owner all the way to
Speaker 5: I didn't miss never missed a game, so I wasn't
Speaker 5: even thinking about it.
Speaker 1: Registered But what if I get hurt.
Speaker 5: So first preseason game, first preseason game, and get a
Speaker 5: high ankle spray, and I'm gonna I consider myself one
Speaker 5: of those those guys just plays through. And so I
Speaker 5: missed a couple of games in the preseason. I was
Speaker 5: just barely ready for the first game, wrapped up that
Speaker 5: ain't going out. Reinjured it the first first quarter. Okay,
Speaker 5: so came out, but I got got myself right for
Speaker 5: the next game. I get wrapped up. Last play of
Speaker 5: the game, quarterback throws me the bomb running down the field.
Speaker 5: Dislocate my elbow. So I got the ankles. Just starting
Speaker 5: to get better. Now I got the dislocated elbow. Then God,
Speaker 5: we had a bye week, so I rehabbed. I was
Speaker 5: ready for that next week. Ankle braised the elbow braids
Speaker 5: and I and I toughed it out for like five
Speaker 5: weeks until I finally got healthy. Then I started having
Speaker 5: one hundred yard games, and then I got a turf
Speaker 5: toe and I missed four games.
Speaker 4: People don't understand how bad turf toe is. I had
Speaker 4: to have surgery on my turf toe. Man, that ship
Speaker 4: is no joke. Yeah, but all this you played through.
Speaker 4: So what you feel like? Obviously, cannabis played a huge
Speaker 4: part in obviously the mental but then also the recovery
Speaker 4: part in that.
Speaker 5: No, the truth though, if I if I think if
Speaker 5: I was smoking more earlier in my career, I think
Speaker 5: I I think I could have avoided a lot of
Speaker 5: because when I started smoking, I didn't get hurt anymore.
Speaker 1: No recovery.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the recovery, but I think even more so
Speaker 5: it's just getting your mind right, because most of the time.
Speaker 1: People get hurt.
Speaker 5: It's like you're you're not You're not not dialed in right,
Speaker 5: You're not down in.
Speaker 4: What or were you So I was someone who smoked
Speaker 4: day of the game. Were you someone similar or night before?
Speaker 4: How did you intake?
Speaker 1: I mean I was like I was after. I was
Speaker 1: always after. Okay, that's what he was because two things.
Speaker 5: One I wasn't smoking enough to have my tolerance at
Speaker 5: that level where I felt comfortable. And two I just
Speaker 5: think the stigma it didn't even occur to me. I
Speaker 5: don't know if you guys have had this moment, but
Speaker 5: I had this moment. I was I was in Jamaica,
Speaker 5: visiting where where Bob was born, his birthplace, and I
Speaker 5: was with his younger brother, and his brother was saying
Speaker 5: Bob used to go to that rock.
Speaker 1: Up there and read the smoke and read the Bible.
Speaker 1: And I was like, you can smoke and read the Bible.
Speaker 5: I had that moment like where something that's supposed to
Speaker 5: be good for you is something that's supposed to be
Speaker 5: bad for you.
Speaker 1: How they could come together And I just was like, damn,
Speaker 1: so I.
Speaker 5: Got my Bible, got my split foot up there smoked,
Speaker 5: and I like, that's when I had that moment.
Speaker 1: That's what I at that point twenty seven is right before.
Speaker 5: It was like a week before I retired, and so like,
Speaker 5: you know, I think, yeah, I think smoking. I had
Speaker 5: a day at practice when I was playing. I played
Speaker 5: a year in Canada and I broke my ankle and
Speaker 5: uh and messed up my arm. So I wasn't I
Speaker 5: was in rehab and the guys and I was just
Speaker 5: coming back though, and the guys were driving to practice
Speaker 5: and they were passing the blunt around and I was
Speaker 5: just like, I'm not playing, So I was like, I'll
Speaker 5: smoke before practice. I had the most amazing like practice ever.
Speaker 5: I didn't feel my my pain. I felt like I
Speaker 5: was a kid again out there just bawling, right, So
Speaker 5: I got it, but.
Speaker 1: It was it was yeah, damn.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I was someone who because like I said,
Speaker 4: I think you said it perfectly, like it locks it.
Speaker 4: It calms the outside noise and you lock in on
Speaker 4: with your what your job is supposed to be. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and that's you know, the ultimate focus.
Speaker 1: Mike Dicka. Yes, ESPN magazine cover. Yeah, how did that
Speaker 1: come about? Damn?
Speaker 5: Levatard worked for ESPN at the time. Uh, he's writing
Speaker 5: for ESPN the magazine, and we become close and he
Speaker 5: reached out and he said, they want to do a
Speaker 5: piece for the cover of you and Dicka, and so
Speaker 5: they We went back and forth for like two months,
Speaker 5: throw a different ideas around about the picture, and then
Speaker 5: one day Dan called and he said, like, what about
Speaker 5: you got you in a wedding dress and Dica in
Speaker 5: a in a tux, like you guys are getting married.
Speaker 5: And I was on my phone in the car and
Speaker 5: I laughed and I said that'd be funny.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah.
Speaker 5: But then when I got there that day, I was like,
Speaker 5: I was like, and then when it came out and.
Speaker 1: The media had it, then it really wasn't funny.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, that was today boy, he said. At first
Speaker 4: I laughed, but then I got there, it wasn't funny.
Speaker 5: I had to put the dress on him and realize
Speaker 5: what was what was going on?
Speaker 1: What was happening? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, God damn.
Speaker 1: Obviously.
Speaker 4: You know you spoke of someone who was never injured
Speaker 4: until you got to the Pros. When you in the
Speaker 4: Pros and you get injured, the first thing they want
Speaker 4: to do is pump you full of all kinds of
Speaker 4: different bulloids and and shit that is masking one problem
Speaker 4: causing long term effects on the other side. Talk to
Speaker 4: us about that proces because I know you've been very
Speaker 4: vocal with the recovery of it, but just also the
Speaker 4: whole overall process.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, I remember one day I was I was sitting
Speaker 5: in the in the training room before practice, and I
Speaker 5: was watching each of the guys come in for practice
Speaker 5: to get the tourd off shot, and I started doing
Speaker 5: the math like I was like, if someone plays eight
Speaker 5: ten years and they have to do this every day
Speaker 5: for practice, Like what is this doing?
Speaker 1: What is it? What is this doing to our bodies?
Speaker 4: And real quick, I don't want to cut you off.
Speaker 4: Please remember your thought. Tour do all is so strong
Speaker 4: that when I was with the Clipper going into the playoffs,
Speaker 4: I got hit by Dwight Howard and had a minor
Speaker 4: tear in my shoulder so in my shooting arm, so
Speaker 4: during the whole round, like during the week, I couldn't
Speaker 4: barely lift my arm.
Speaker 1: I'm doing rehab to lift my arm.
Speaker 4: I'll take the toward all shot too outs before the
Speaker 4: game and I'm totally fine.
Speaker 1: Totally fine, Like unbelievable.
Speaker 5: You go to practice without toward all, you feel like
Speaker 5: you're eighty five years old.
Speaker 4: You can't imagine doing it in practice. I had in
Speaker 4: the game, I like Superman. That's the same. That's the
Speaker 4: year we beat San Antonio in the first round and
Speaker 4: the last play I blocked Kawhi that was my hurt
Speaker 4: shoulder that the day before I couldn't even lift.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so it's real. So I understood why.
Speaker 5: But I was doing the math and I said, I
Speaker 5: gotta find like some other way to take care of
Speaker 5: my liver too, And I just started smoking more and
Speaker 5: then finding like how to take care of myself. Like
Speaker 5: I spent a little bit more time stretching, and also
Speaker 5: was when I smoked in stretched.
Speaker 1: I was really getting in there and really.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, you have a focus, a different focus. How
Speaker 4: many years did you play eleven? At what point in
Speaker 4: your career did you kind of say I'm leaving this
Speaker 4: person described medicine from the league behind and solely smoking
Speaker 4: cannabis or was it always a balance of both?
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 5: It was a balance up until that moment I just
Speaker 5: told you about. But after that, I mean I might
Speaker 5: have taken something like I had to be in a
Speaker 5: lot of pain before I would take something. So and
Speaker 5: I was probably six or seven years in in but
Speaker 5: I started taking care of myself and I didn't spend
Speaker 5: any time in the training room, and the trainer just
Speaker 5: left me alone because they were like, whatever you're doing.
Speaker 4: And I think a running back you get hit the
Speaker 4: most exactly whether you're blocking or running.
Speaker 3: That's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: Damn.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 5: I think in the long term, like, if these sports
Speaker 5: teams start to support players using cannabis, it's going to
Speaker 5: save them a lot of a lot of money.
Speaker 1: Point blank. That's no.
Speaker 3: What do you think about.
Speaker 4: High profile athletes now not necessarily coming out in hey
Speaker 4: I'm out here smoking, but knowing that they do use it,
Speaker 4: and there's kind of a perception now that they're starting
Speaker 4: to realize it's like, Okay, the best players are actually
Speaker 4: using this too.
Speaker 3: What is your thought about that.
Speaker 5: I mean, personally, I think that the players should be
Speaker 5: out there saying, yeah, I agree, I use this because
Speaker 5: you know, what I found is so many people come
Speaker 5: up to me and they've said, you know, I was
Speaker 5: like had an attitude about this and I was against
Speaker 5: it until like your story and I saw you and
Speaker 5: because of that, I tried it and it helped me, right,
Speaker 5: And so I think players coming out and being honest
Speaker 5: is just going to really help a lot of people
Speaker 5: get access to us that for whatever reason in their
Speaker 5: mind or whatever, they don't have access to it.
Speaker 2: And stop worrying about what people think. And I think
Speaker 2: that's the biggest part. Like even me, I stopped smoking
Speaker 2: because I'm Muslim, but then again, I know I need it,
Speaker 2: but I but I know I'm one of the most
Speaker 2: righteous people alive, you know what I mean. It's just
Speaker 2: got to get to the point where you do what's
Speaker 2: best for you and not where about what people say.
Speaker 2: And I think that's why a lot of players don't
Speaker 2: come out and talk about it.
Speaker 1: But I think a lot of it is misinformation.
Speaker 5: And what I've realized is when we were young and
Speaker 5: so we hear people say like the war on drug
Speaker 5: war on drugs. Now that I'm older and I've gone
Speaker 5: back and like just studied a little bit, it really
Speaker 5: was a war. Like literally, like are this mighty government
Speaker 5: militarized against against cannabis?
Speaker 1: Militarized anything about?
Speaker 5: Like in any war, there's always a lot of casualties,
Speaker 5: and it takes a long time to heal. But if
Speaker 5: we go like pre drug war, and we really understand
Speaker 5: the history of this planet, it was used by righteous
Speaker 5: people to help them achieve more righteousness, Like that's what
Speaker 5: it was for. And and I think too, we're remembering that,
Speaker 5: but we're doing it the hard way because we're like,
Speaker 5: at least for me, I became a better person when
Speaker 5: I started.
Speaker 2: My wife told me that please hurry up back smoke.
Speaker 2: She used to text me.
Speaker 4: She was texting him, git him back to smoke, please,
Speaker 4: because he's not the same person.
Speaker 3: It's needed, it's needed.
Speaker 2: You traded to Miami in two thousand and two and
Speaker 2: led the league in Russian for for your first year.
Speaker 2: You almost had eight hundred carries for those first two years,
Speaker 2: both of the seasons, your top twenty for most carries
Speaker 2: by running back in the season.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of way.
Speaker 2: And tell on your body in the NFL carrying that
Speaker 2: many times, and we know how you run. I just
Speaker 2: told the people that's gonna get the prepops that were
Speaker 2: running over shit. Yeah, what's your mind sign? What's your
Speaker 2: mind frame?
Speaker 5: The first year when I led the league in rushing,
Speaker 5: I averaged four point seven yards of carry.
Speaker 1: So and that was great.
Speaker 5: And next year I averaged three point eight yards to
Speaker 5: carry more carries a lot less yards.
Speaker 1: That was not so. But they stack in the lineup.
Speaker 5: They stacked, you know, it was it was there stacking
Speaker 5: the line.
Speaker 1: But also, like.
Speaker 5: I see, like in any sport, when you have a
Speaker 5: player that not necessarily the best player, but the player
Speaker 5: that everyone is like thinking everything's built around.
Speaker 1: Other team knows if we stop him, we're gonna win. Right.
Speaker 5: You need the other guys on the team to realize
Speaker 5: that and step up their game to meet that kind
Speaker 5: of force. And I think the first year, the success
Speaker 5: kind of surprised everyone, and I think that second year,
Speaker 5: and you know, when you after you win and you go.
Speaker 1: Back, you can't take it easy. Everybody's coming for you.
Speaker 5: So you got to like take your game to the
Speaker 5: next level to be able to meet that challenge. And
Speaker 5: I felt like as a as a team, everybody did.
Speaker 1: We did it.
Speaker 5: And so I was taking the toll because everybody was
Speaker 5: like tea it off on my ask.
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Speaker 4: your position. You're coming off leading the league. How does
Speaker 4: that take a toll on you? Because I mean, that's
Speaker 4: a lot of the mental health that athletes are talking about.
Speaker 4: You just saw Kyrie yesterday kind of go in on
Speaker 4: fans Like, what kind of toll did that take on you?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 5: I think it takes a toll the fact that just
Speaker 5: in general, as a professional athlete, that people like they
Speaker 5: forget that we're human.
Speaker 4: Being deal they think because we make money that they
Speaker 4: can that we don't have feelings.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but on a deeper level, like to me, it's like,
Speaker 5: you're the one paying money to watch us, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, So there's probably something that we're doing
Speaker 5: that you could learn from, and so instead of like
Speaker 5: throwing shit out of it's like trying to learn from us,
Speaker 5: because whatever we're doing, you're like, yeah, you rather spend
Speaker 5: time with us than your family.
Speaker 2: At some point I had to figure out that it's
Speaker 2: people that are just fans of the sport. But then
Speaker 2: you got people that wish they could be you, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, And that's where we get the
Speaker 2: confusion at You got people that really that really wish
Speaker 2: they had like playing basketballs, people that really had hoop dreams,
Speaker 2: that really wanted to be in the NBA, that play
Speaker 2: a man whoever did all that some fun? Everybody that
Speaker 2: played basketball that made to the NBA. But then you
Speaker 2: got your fans that really love a team. I think
Speaker 2: the fact that they sitting together in the stadium, it's
Speaker 2: hard to separate the good fans and.
Speaker 1: The bad fans.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: Is it a coincidence that you just started falling drug
Speaker 2: tests around the time?
Speaker 5: Well, I think the other question, is it a coincidence
Speaker 5: that I started leading the league and rushing, because so,
Speaker 5: like when I first got to Miami, that's when I
Speaker 5: really started smoking. I remember I come home after after
Speaker 5: working out and smoke and I would like start to
Speaker 5: like visualize myself like killing it, just killing.
Speaker 1: So I just had this. I just had this.
Speaker 5: By the time the season came, I just had this
Speaker 5: knowing that. It's like I was ready. I was ready,
Speaker 5: And so I think that had a lot to.
Speaker 2: Do with the tree. Yeah, yeah, I love that. I mean,
Speaker 2: we can we can speak to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I gotta be high every doing everything.
Speaker 2: I agree, there's no way, though, I can do nothing
Speaker 2: without it. You're preaching to the choir, yes, or would you?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like I can't, I can't. I'm sorry, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 4: Two thousand and four, you decided to retire. What uh
Speaker 4: you were over everything? Where were you at mentally with that?
Speaker 4: And what made you come to that and to smoke my.
Speaker 1: Tree in peace? Yeah? You know it's interesting.
Speaker 5: I feel like sometimes in life, like the universe is
Speaker 5: trying to tell us something and sometimes we don't want
Speaker 5: to hear it, and it's got to like tell us
Speaker 5: really loudly. And So two thousand and two, I let
Speaker 5: the NFL and rush. In two thousand and three, I
Speaker 5: got my tour up. So coming into the next season,
Speaker 5: you know, I went to the two thousand and four
Speaker 5: I went to the Dolphins and I and I said, like,
Speaker 5: if you're going to give me the ball, like and
Speaker 5: expect me to do everything, like, you need to like
Speaker 5: take care of me, make sure that. Cause I started
Speaker 5: to like think about the future and think like if
Speaker 5: I keep doing this, I'm not going to last very long,
Speaker 5: and like what am I going to have to show
Speaker 5: for it?
Speaker 1: So I said, like, if.
Speaker 5: You're going to do this, I'm good with it, but
Speaker 5: help me feel good about doing right. And their response,
Speaker 5: but they went today they came back with the business response,
Speaker 5: and for me, like a business decision, right is my
Speaker 5: business decision is? This is my only body, and I
Speaker 5: have to find a way to take care of it.
Speaker 5: I need to feel good. That's my business. I understand
Speaker 5: you got your business if you've got salary cap and
Speaker 5: all that other stuff. Just the way they came back
Speaker 5: to me, I was like, Okay, they don't really they
Speaker 5: don't really appreciate they're taking me for granted.
Speaker 1: And so already I was like okay.
Speaker 5: And then after having that year and thinking, you know,
Speaker 5: I spent all my life trying to be the best
Speaker 5: football player I can be, and I realized that it
Speaker 5: has there's a lot more that goes into me being
Speaker 5: a good football player. And by being a good football player,
Speaker 5: I've seen I've been kind of like a like a
Speaker 5: not a good person at some of these and it
Speaker 5: started to bother me. So I started to think about,
Speaker 5: like what am I doing with my life? And what
Speaker 5: I felt was I need to like travel and see
Speaker 5: the world and do some shit because my heart's not
Speaker 5: in this right now. And then with the contract and
Speaker 5: then all this other stuff started happening, so I just
Speaker 5: was like, I hear the message, it's time for me
Speaker 5: to go, So so I bounced.
Speaker 1: It was just one of those things.
Speaker 5: Where you know, but I think, like, again, my dream
Speaker 5: as a kid was to make it as a college
Speaker 5: football player and then to have some kind of platform
Speaker 5: where I could like tell people like what I think.
Speaker 5: And I got to the NFL and people were just like,
Speaker 5: shut up, shut up, we don't want to hear. And yeah,
Speaker 5: we don't want to hear what you have to say,
Speaker 5: just go run. And then I, you know, I got
Speaker 5: to the point where I was like, I need to
Speaker 5: have I need to say something. But then I realized,
Speaker 5: because I've been chasing football my whole life, I don't
Speaker 5: really have anything to say. So I left and I
Speaker 5: started traveling and just having more experiences of meeting different people,
Speaker 5: and went back to school, started studying things I was
Speaker 5: really passionate about.
Speaker 1: So I learned. So I now I feel like I
Speaker 1: have actually something to say.
Speaker 4: What was it like because obviously back then, when you
Speaker 4: were doing it, the cannabis was the ultimate no. So
Speaker 4: the media content starts to paint a picture of a
Speaker 4: bad person when again, you've explained to all the reasons
Speaker 4: why leading up to this. But how hard was that
Speaker 4: having to deal with that on a daily basis?
Speaker 1: You know, I was fortunate a couple of things. You know.
Speaker 5: One, back in two thousand and four, nobody, like we
Speaker 5: weren't educated about cannabis the way we are now, Like
Speaker 5: outside of California and Oregon, nobody was talking about medicinal marijuana,
Speaker 5: and so I didn't have the language. And so when
Speaker 5: it first hit the news that failing a drug test
Speaker 5: was connected to my retirement, I had a friend of
Speaker 5: mine who was leaving the country, so I was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: let's go.
Speaker 1: So I didn't have to really deal with any of
Speaker 1: it because I was traveling around the world.
Speaker 5: And the funny thing, as I was traveling around the world,
Speaker 5: I kept meeting people who like smoked, and so.
Speaker 1: Where I like, I wasn't. I wasn't trying to run
Speaker 1: away from it.
Speaker 5: But I thought it was interesting that as I was
Speaker 5: like out and about, people didn't even know who I was.
Speaker 1: And I kept running.
Speaker 5: Into it, and I kept running it into it in
Speaker 5: ways where people were talking about it, in ways that
Speaker 5: I had never heard people talk about cannabis. And so well,
Speaker 5: I ended up back in northern California studying ariveda with
Speaker 5: Indian medicine, and I was looking through a book and
Speaker 5: I came across a book and it had a whole
Speaker 5: chapter on cannabis, and again, at that time, no one
Speaker 5: was talking about medicinal marijuana. And so I started to realize,
Speaker 5: there's a lot more to this, to this thing than
Speaker 5: than what we've been told. And because I surrounded myself
Speaker 5: with those kinds of people, when I finally did have
Speaker 5: to deal with the media, I felt more supported. And
Speaker 5: so Mike Wallace from Sixty Minutes came to northern California
Speaker 5: where I was studying, ariveda and it was like that
Speaker 5: interviewer we found, we found Ricky and one of the
Speaker 5: questions he asked straight up, he said, if the NFL
Speaker 5: drug tested you right now, how would you pass the test?
Speaker 5: And I remember, you know, looking at him, and everything
Speaker 5: in my head was saying lie, lie, Lie lie, and
Speaker 5: something I just said, like I just said no, I
Speaker 5: would fail. And it was like it was this moment
Speaker 5: where I was being real while here was this this
Speaker 5: was two thousand and four. I was being like honest
Speaker 5: and I was being real and I knew I wasn't
Speaker 5: supposed to, but it felt like really liberating because I
Speaker 5: wasn't in the NFL.
Speaker 1: It felt like.
Speaker 5: Liberating to be able to like to tell my truth
Speaker 5: and not back down for it, you know, and like
Speaker 5: that to me, that was a special moment in my
Speaker 5: life where I kind of said I'm on this side.
Speaker 1: I made a statement.
Speaker 4: So after that, I mean, that was kind of obviously
Speaker 4: a groundbreaking type of situation. What was with the feedback
Speaker 4: on that? Because I always say like you were just
Speaker 4: ahead of your time, Like if you came out and
Speaker 4: did that, now you would be leading athletes in this space.
Speaker 4: I mean, you're obviously one of the top people. But
Speaker 4: to do it back in that time in two thousand
Speaker 4: and four, once you kind of came out and told
Speaker 4: your truth, it was almost a weightlifted on your off
Speaker 4: your show.
Speaker 3: There's what was the what was it met with?
Speaker 5: So, you know, funny like personally it was it was
Speaker 5: the coolest thing in the world because you know, I'd
Speaker 5: be on the airport, I'd be hanging around. I remember
Speaker 5: I was in Sacramento at the airport and I was
Speaker 5: kind of lived up there at the time, and some
Speaker 5: guy like it was that same feeling of when somebody
Speaker 5: recognizes me, but he was like, hey.
Speaker 1: I got I got something in my car.
Speaker 5: You would have come and people would just come up
Speaker 5: to me and just give me weed. Like, so it
Speaker 5: was amazing, like the like the one on one dealing
Speaker 5: with people. I felt like I was more real to
Speaker 5: people and there was something up for us to connect
Speaker 5: on on a deeper level.
Speaker 1: And you know, the NFL.
Speaker 5: I came back to the NFL, partially because the Dolphins
Speaker 5: sued me for eight million dollars, but also the NFL
Speaker 5: kept asking me to come back.
Speaker 1: Who won they wanted they wanted? Yeah, yeah, So I
Speaker 1: came back and and it was weird.
Speaker 5: I was still in the NFL drug program, but it
Speaker 5: was like nobody just nobody ever talked about it. And
Speaker 5: one time, one time, somebody, uh, one of the people
Speaker 5: in the media, we had like a b week and
Speaker 5: we had a couple of days off, and he said,
Speaker 5: do you ever think about smoking weed?
Speaker 1: And I was just being honest. I was like, I
Speaker 1: think about that shit all the time.
Speaker 5: And then it kind of came up and it was
Speaker 5: like a you know, coach told me, like, you know,
Speaker 5: don't be a distraction. But other than that, everyone pretended
Speaker 5: like pretend like it didn't happen. Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 4: What did you really find out about yourself once you
Speaker 4: stepped away from football?
Speaker 5: I think I found out that I was just a
Speaker 5: more spiritual person than I than I thought.
Speaker 4: And that's what leads you into all the astrology stuff exactly.
Speaker 5: Just I'm like that, I'm just really curious. I just
Speaker 5: want to want to learn exactly. That's all I got.
Speaker 5: All I think about.
Speaker 4: Where else did you get to travel? You said you
Speaker 4: travel the world where some of the favorite places you
Speaker 4: pit stopped at.
Speaker 1: I love Thailand. I love Thailand.
Speaker 3: It's beautiful out there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Australia was Australia was cool because it's different, but
Speaker 5: everybody speaks English, so it was different enough, but it
Speaker 5: still felt familiar enough in.
Speaker 1: Your in your travels. Who had the best grass? Good question?
Speaker 5: I mean obviously Amsterdam, Amsterdam, but Hawaii surprisingly.
Speaker 1: Yeah they got we were there. Yeah, we were there Hawaii.
Speaker 5: I was just now the whole nother like I don't
Speaker 5: know if it was that batch or if it's across
Speaker 5: the board.
Speaker 1: But I had it like that, so fire out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was funny because we used to go to
Speaker 4: Amsterdam and the off season, me and some guys that
Speaker 4: are still playing. But they said they get a majority
Speaker 4: of their way from California, Northern California in.
Speaker 2: Particular, you bounced back in the league in two thousand
Speaker 2: and five, right, but you're still dealing with the NFL
Speaker 2: drug policy.
Speaker 1: Back and forth, back and forth. What was that like?
Speaker 1: It was stressful. I know it's stressful. You just want
Speaker 1: to smoke them chill.
Speaker 4: Well, you said, you said at one point you learned
Speaker 4: how to be tested, and still was this during that
Speaker 4: time because I went.
Speaker 1: Through different phases.
Speaker 5: Like the first the first time I got into the program,
Speaker 5: I found this drink okay, and.
Speaker 1: Ours was called liquid. We used to use something.
Speaker 5: Extra extra clear or something okay, and you gotta like,
Speaker 5: you gotta drink it, and then you wait fifteen minutes,
Speaker 5: drink about the water. Fifteen minutes, drink about the water,
Speaker 5: and then your piece.
Speaker 1: Cleant.
Speaker 4: You gotta window, you gotta keep paying, Yes, you gotta
Speaker 4: keep peeing. Yeah, we're giving away our secretuse. We've never
Speaker 4: talked about this the first time.
Speaker 1: This is the first time.
Speaker 3: Our ship used to be liquid.
Speaker 5: That's what got me though, is at the time that
Speaker 5: I got popped the second time is like I went out,
Speaker 5: we lost to the Eagles and we got knocked out
Speaker 5: of the playoffs, and I.
Speaker 1: Just was like, went too hard that night.
Speaker 5: So he would come at six o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 5: So I wake up at five.
Speaker 1: The process and I fell back asleep. You didn't get that.
Speaker 5: I didn't get the piss off and I just barely failed.
Speaker 4: You got to get at least three to four p's
Speaker 4: out before you're clear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was we got so speaking to your ship.
Speaker 4: So when I was I was in the program with
Speaker 4: the Clippers and got traded to Memphis, and uh, the
Speaker 4: p man was coming once a week, so I would
Speaker 4: be clean all week he would come, know him by name.
Speaker 4: He would actually I did know his name forgot the ship.
Speaker 4: But I'd be clean all week, and then the day
Speaker 4: he tests me, I'll smoke the entire day and then
Speaker 4: try to get clean the whole entire week, and I'll
Speaker 4: be able to take.
Speaker 5: My That was my second That was my second way.
Speaker 5: The second time when I came back.
Speaker 1: It was only once a week, and yeah.
Speaker 5: And then I got to the point where I realized
Speaker 5: I could take three hits and pass the tests the
Speaker 5: next day.
Speaker 4: Oh, three hits and past the next day. So you
Speaker 4: would just want to take a drink, drink a bunch
Speaker 4: of water.
Speaker 5: Just because I was as an athlete, we're cyclist so much.
Speaker 5: The cannabis when it comes out, it's because it's stored.
Speaker 5: But if you don't smoke enough to store it, it isn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah you was Michael does and before Michael does.
Speaker 1: But because I was in the program and Michael does worked.
Speaker 5: You know, when you're doing like three hits as much
Speaker 5: exactly get you where you need to be exactly.
Speaker 2: I didn't have that power you all the way in
Speaker 2: I'm going to go to sleep.
Speaker 1: That's how I was.
Speaker 4: I had some shipip shipped up from Cali and every
Speaker 4: once a week, I get to smoke once a week,
Speaker 4: so I'd burn it down like two three joints. I'd
Speaker 4: probably pass out in my chair. It was on the
Speaker 4: regular wake up and just I had to get it
Speaker 4: in me. We've never talked about that because I never
Speaker 4: wanted to bust no one out. But since they don't
Speaker 4: test for it no more. Because everyone used to say
Speaker 4: what do you used to take? And we used to
Speaker 4: have to tell it but it was liquid from G
Speaker 4: and C or when they didn't have liquid. I would
Speaker 4: just say, yo, what's I would go to I'd be
Speaker 4: real with to do it, like I got to pass
Speaker 4: the P test. Would you recommend what's the hardest cleanser
Speaker 4: you have, and they would give it to you. But
Speaker 4: you would feel like shit though, because you had to
Speaker 4: take that drink that I just used to take a bunch.
Speaker 4: I used to have my trainers. I used to drop
Speaker 4: some of my trainers from Bread to give me a
Speaker 4: heads up, like, because they got to a point where
Speaker 4: we're doing four randoms during the season, we didn't know
Speaker 4: where it was coming.
Speaker 3: Four randoms.
Speaker 4: This is not even in the program though, this is
Speaker 4: just regular wow, four random tests. So I would always,
Speaker 4: you know, I get some of my trainers from Bread,
Speaker 4: like just give me a heads up the morning they come.
Speaker 4: So sometimes I do that whole process and be bloated
Speaker 4: like a motherfucker and I didn't even get tested.
Speaker 1: I was pissed.
Speaker 2: But at one point we knew that you can go
Speaker 2: on a drug ram and still smoke. So we told
Speaker 2: them and Early Live we was like, man, I'm pissing dirty.
Speaker 2: Put them in the program and you can stand up.
Speaker 2: I stayed in the program. Damn. The three seasons under company.
Speaker 2: It wasn't no penalties that that they wouldn't They wouldn't
Speaker 2: help you. As long as you in the program, you
Speaker 2: just got to pee a certain amount of times and
Speaker 2: something you could up. But it was really I stayed
Speaker 2: in that motherfucker for three years.
Speaker 5: If you're in the program and you get popped, that's
Speaker 5: like four game suspensions, It's like, and it keeps getting worse.
Speaker 4: It probably weren't some penalties, but Jack probably just when
Speaker 4: I first got in the league, it was one drug test.
Speaker 4: Like them, it was a preseason They got the whole
Speaker 4: team too, Yes, so we could. We had We had
Speaker 4: weed in the car as soon as we got there
Speaker 4: out of practice that day.
Speaker 3: That's how it used to be.
Speaker 2: How did the turbulent relationship with the NFL and pack
Speaker 2: your image?
Speaker 1: Though I know that kind of pissed you off, honestly,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it actually helped. It
Speaker 1: actually helped.
Speaker 5: I mean I had to come back and like finish
Speaker 5: my career and like earn that kind of respect and
Speaker 5: carry myself for certain way. But at the end of
Speaker 5: the day, it turns into like a redemption story and
Speaker 5: it allowed me now to tell a positive.
Speaker 2: Exactly right, I was right the whole time. Yeah, basically,
Speaker 2: straight up?
Speaker 1: What was it like? Real quick?
Speaker 4: I want to know because my brother played with the
Speaker 4: Argonauts and went running great Cup. What was that experience like,
Speaker 4: because that was the one thing he was a receiver,
Speaker 4: and he said they used to just that the treatment
Speaker 4: was low grade.
Speaker 3: Just it was tough to really make.
Speaker 5: It if you come from even like college and the
Speaker 5: States to something and.
Speaker 1: Then you go to that.
Speaker 5: I mean, but like our our facility were trailers, right,
Speaker 5: you know, trailers we did. Like our our team meeting
Speaker 5: room was just a trailer.
Speaker 1: But but I.
Speaker 5: Will say, like if you if you really are about
Speaker 5: the game, you know, then it like can bring you
Speaker 5: back to it. And for me it did, Like because
Speaker 5: if there are only certain there's only a certain number
Speaker 5: of American players that can be on the team. So
Speaker 5: most of the American guys like stayed in the same area.
Speaker 5: So it was kind of like college and after after
Speaker 5: practice we just go play. It was Toronto, yeah, and
Speaker 5: it was Toronto and it was Toronto, right, yeah, so
Speaker 5: it was I had a wonderful experience.
Speaker 1: Did you.
Speaker 4: My brother said he loved it, but he's just like
Speaker 4: as far as like the amenities and trying to keep
Speaker 4: your body on top of it, it's tough.
Speaker 1: It's even like the gear, you know, trying to get gloves.
Speaker 4: It was tough, Like, god damn it, I used to
Speaker 4: have to give this shit away and I can't even
Speaker 4: getting us exactly when you initially stepped away from the game.
Speaker 4: Was there you said you started traveling right away?
Speaker 1: Was there ever?
Speaker 4: Kind of like a gnull because I kind of feel
Speaker 4: like when people step away from something they've been accustomed
Speaker 4: to their whole life, there's kind of a little did
Speaker 4: you ever hit the rut or you just kept mine?
Speaker 5: I just saw I was going so hardcore just to
Speaker 5: like because it was something that was building up.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like I was.
Speaker 5: It was something that was building up, and I just
Speaker 5: knew I needed to like sow my royal old so
Speaker 5: see see the world. So I was on it and
Speaker 5: that way I went on and I got to this
Speaker 5: point where I was like, this is great, but for
Speaker 5: my life to really take off, I need to go
Speaker 5: back to the league and clear my name, not that,
Speaker 5: and so it kind of it led me back. But
Speaker 5: I came back and the biggest difference was before I
Speaker 5: was kind of in this no man's land of like
Speaker 5: what do I have to do to like keep this?
Speaker 5: And when I came back, it was more like what
Speaker 5: can my career, what can.
Speaker 1: The NFL do do for me? And so I was
Speaker 1: just more intentional.
Speaker 3: Did you get what you were looking for?
Speaker 5: I got exactly where I cleared my name. I was
Speaker 5: able to walk away and with the platform intact that
Speaker 5: I now have access to.
Speaker 4: So you recently launched Heisman, what are your hopes and
Speaker 4: envisions in this cannabis space? With that, I mean really
Speaker 4: a lot of this of just conversation, these conversations, you know,
Speaker 4: because like I'm hardcore, and I'm saying like, because most
Speaker 4: people they say, you know, don't talk about using cannabis,
Speaker 4: but then they don't have all their reasons, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm heard or this or that, And I'm saying like,
Speaker 4: more like this kind of conversation where people are talking about,
Speaker 4: like did you take your medicine today?
Speaker 5: You know where it is people feel comfortable saying I
Speaker 5: need this. I need because people say like I need
Speaker 5: this for a lot of reasons. But when you're saying something,
Speaker 5: I need this because this makes me a better person,
Speaker 5: I think, you know.
Speaker 1: Change exactly. That's the biggest statement you can make.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, yeah, I mean I just think hearing
Speaker 4: the why you know this is why they've never heard
Speaker 4: athletes say why. It was always just a stigma. You're this,
Speaker 4: you're that, you're, you're, you're you know, you're not focused.
Speaker 4: But when you actually hear the reasons why, you can't
Speaker 4: argue with it.
Speaker 5: The crazy part, though, is like, is this is what
Speaker 5: I noticed? Is I believe that too, So I thought
Speaker 5: I was doing something wrong. So I took a step
Speaker 5: back and I said, like, really, what is going on?
Speaker 5: And I was like, and it might sound crazy, but
Speaker 5: at that time, at least from my body's perspective, this
Speaker 5: was better for me than football anything.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, talk to them real shit.
Speaker 4: I mean my I started smoking at fourteen, and I
Speaker 4: didn't really know. Obviously I didn't need it for the
Speaker 4: paint at that time, but I had just had a
Speaker 4: tough upbringing. And I remember the first thing you said
Speaker 4: is it just calmed everything on the outside. And I
Speaker 4: knew when I smoked it would take me there. So
Speaker 4: fast forward. You know, I'm forty two now, I've been smoking,
Speaker 4: you know, for more than half my life. But we
Speaker 4: can always, we can explain until we're blue in the face.
Speaker 4: But I think the real breakthrough was when they were
Speaker 4: started having medical research behind this. So now we're saying.
Speaker 4: What we're saying is backed up by actual information, and
Speaker 4: I think obviously that's why it's moving the needle now.
Speaker 4: But it's we've been saying this, we just didn't have,
Speaker 4: like you said, the terminology, I guess is what they needed.
Speaker 5: And I think it's more more people that are successful
Speaker 5: in life come out and tell their story. I think
Speaker 5: that's going to drive even more. It's going to change
Speaker 5: the research questions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, So speak to exactly. I mean, you
Speaker 4: have it pretty narrow focused on different, you know, aspects
Speaker 4: of the cannabis space. So speak to us about your
Speaker 4: brand and the names of each and why you decided
Speaker 4: to go this route.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so like overall, you know, creating a brand. When
Speaker 5: I got into the cannabis space, like I saw it's
Speaker 5: like what people were calling a brand is you just
Speaker 5: create some like fancy packaging and then you convince people that.
Speaker 1: Yours is better than the next. And that's a brand.
Speaker 5: And to me, I think I get it, and they're
Speaker 5: people doing a great job. But for me, if I'm
Speaker 5: going to do a brand, it's got to be like
Speaker 5: be part of it, has to be part of me
Speaker 5: that that I'm putting out there, and so I was
Speaker 5: saying earlier about I had this experience of how cannabis
Speaker 5: actually helped me be a better football player and a
Speaker 5: better person, and so helping people make these connections. And
Speaker 5: one of the ways simple ways we did that is
Speaker 5: through are the naming convention of our flower and instead
Speaker 5: of the more conventional sativa indica hybrid, we call the
Speaker 5: more sativa leaning strains pregame the hybrid's halftime, and then the
Speaker 5: indica is postgame, right, so.
Speaker 4: It's you're a heavy indicas postgame pre game, Yeah, you
Speaker 4: pre game it post game exactly.
Speaker 5: And then and then we've been we've been having fun
Speaker 5: with the different like strainings, really trying to connect the
Speaker 5: genetics with our favorite athletes.
Speaker 3: Oh that's dopeyh Yeah, I definitely want to check that out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Traditionally someone who was kind of private, but you you
Speaker 4: really started to open up more with two docs on
Speaker 4: a TV game show working on a biopic.
Speaker 1: Who you want to play you? I feel like there's
Speaker 1: going to be some unknown person that.
Speaker 4: If there was, if there was a famous person, though
Speaker 4: they're the famous person to play you.
Speaker 1: But see, it's tough because we have to go to
Speaker 1: that age, that age.
Speaker 5: Range, and I like, I don't really know that many
Speaker 5: actors in that age range.
Speaker 3: So you're gonna put someone on the map.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put somebody on somebody's gonna just blow us
Speaker 1: away and there. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Are you obviously more comfortable in the public eye now
Speaker 4: and and and just kind of freely out here kind
Speaker 4: of being yourself or is it still kind of you
Speaker 4: just still kind of hold back a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm out there now. I like got to
Speaker 1: the point where I really fuck it. Yeah, it's me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: take it, take it, leave it.
Speaker 5: At a certain point in life, like you realize that
Speaker 5: young people need guidance and if we're trying to pretend
Speaker 5: to be something else, that's that's not a good that's
Speaker 5: not a good example.
Speaker 2: That's and that's a shitty way to live. I tell you,
Speaker 2: be you the best you can be. Is you so
Speaker 2: hard of being somebody else? Every hardest thing to do?
Speaker 2: Just be yourself. Everyone else has already And and the
Speaker 2: people that supposed to be in your life and that's
Speaker 2: supposed to support you and love you, they gonna be
Speaker 2: there regardless of who you are.
Speaker 1: Just be yourself.
Speaker 5: I had that same away and when I left, everybody
Speaker 5: thought I was crazy, But my experience was this is
Speaker 5: the happiest I ever been. And so I was like,
Speaker 5: people in my life that can that are happy that
Speaker 5: I'm happy?
Speaker 1: Those are my people. People that have a problem with that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, writing's on the wall. Yeah, well man, we appreciate
Speaker 4: your time. We're gonna come down to Quick Hitters band.
Speaker 4: First thing across your mind, let us know who are
Speaker 4: some of the people in the cannabis space.
Speaker 3: Uh you look up to.
Speaker 1: H right now. The first person that comes to mind
Speaker 1: is Chris Ball.
Speaker 3: Okay, Ball Family Farms.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's there.
Speaker 3: That's as folks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean just like heart and just like what
Speaker 5: he's what the opportunity has and what he's doing with it.
Speaker 5: You know, he talks about cultivating the culture. And I
Speaker 5: think sometimes when I when I think about the industry,
Speaker 5: it's like it makes me sad sometimes because it's becomes
Speaker 5: just about like starting to become just about the money.
Speaker 5: And what I love about what Chris is doing, it's
Speaker 5: really about the plant.
Speaker 4: We did a collabor with him, shut out the Ball
Speaker 4: family and that flower right, Yeah, something Now he's got
Speaker 4: some shit over there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the longest time you spent meditating.
Speaker 5: Like in one city for four hours probably, wow, But
Speaker 5: that's not a lot, Like, that's not that's I got.
Speaker 1: I got probably close to thirty minutes.
Speaker 2: But you fall asleep, nah, But you know when I pray,
Speaker 2: you know, after I pray.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this was like time was up in the
Speaker 1: MLA is like just up there to meditate. That was
Speaker 1: that's a long time.
Speaker 4: So when you say that's when you say it's not
Speaker 4: a long time. What is a long time to someone
Speaker 4: who is actually in the space and really well to me.
Speaker 5: People like, honestly, a good meditation is five minutes. Okay,
Speaker 5: it's just about centering yourself and then because if someone
Speaker 5: needs to go out in the day, five minutes you're centered.
Speaker 5: But if you know, I was on retreat, I was
Speaker 5: like out for a couple of months, and I was
Speaker 5: trying to like go deeper into myself, and so it's
Speaker 5: like you sit for five minutes and things like settle
Speaker 5: down to a certain level. But as you sit there,
Speaker 5: like more stuff comes to the surface, you know, and
Speaker 5: then if you can sit there, then that settles and
Speaker 5: then just the more time it just gives you ability
Speaker 5: to just go.
Speaker 4: So what do you I'm someone that's kind of wanted
Speaker 4: to get what are you actually focusing on?
Speaker 1: Why you try?
Speaker 4: So if you say a five power five minute meditation,
Speaker 4: so your things are coming to your mind, what do
Speaker 4: you do to kind So.
Speaker 5: The simplest technique, and really what meditation is about is
Speaker 5: it doesn't really matter what the point of focus is.
Speaker 5: So when people when we're playing our sport or we're
Speaker 5: doing our thing and we're in a zone, that's a
Speaker 5: meditation because meditation just means the nature of our mind.
Speaker 5: It just goes in all these different directions all the time,
Speaker 5: and meditation is just bringing the bringing it about.
Speaker 1: It doesn't even matter what the point is.
Speaker 5: Some people use a mantrass, some people use their heart
Speaker 5: or their their head, but it's just having it could
Speaker 5: be a thought and idea a person. It's just having
Speaker 5: one thing that you can bring the mind back to.
Speaker 5: I mean this is why sports, I think, especially at
Speaker 5: our level, it's so beneficial because it forces you to
Speaker 5: learn to meditate. Right, your mind wants to go, but
Speaker 5: you got a job to do. So the mind is
Speaker 5: trained to be focused on one So for us, like
Speaker 5: we know how to meditate, you.
Speaker 1: Know, we just got to do something that has.
Speaker 5: Our attention and the mind foot will focus. But that's
Speaker 5: all meditation is just training the mind when it goes here,
Speaker 5: to bring it back here. And then once it like
Speaker 5: it gets trained and stops wandering, it can sit in
Speaker 5: one place and then it becomes more profound.
Speaker 1: You notice more things.
Speaker 3: Are there any other things.
Speaker 4: Psilocybin, mushrooms, anything in that psychedelic realm, so to.
Speaker 3: Speak, that you feel that can help people.
Speaker 5: I think all of the psychedelics because and I consider
Speaker 5: cannabis is a psychedelic. It's just mild, something you can
Speaker 5: do more on a daily basis. I think a lot
Speaker 5: of the other psychedelics they're more like when you got
Speaker 5: to flush your system out, you know.
Speaker 1: But I think that cannabis is more like the daily maintenance.
Speaker 5: And even the worst psychedelic it means soul revealing, right,
Speaker 5: revealing ourselves to ourselves or another word that uses entheagen
Speaker 5: is the god within.
Speaker 1: So I think all of these.
Speaker 5: Substances it's the same thing as meditation. It's just getting
Speaker 5: your mind off the bullshit and just focusing on something
Speaker 5: that's like more real.
Speaker 1: Five dinner guests dead or alive, so definitely Bob, Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: definitely pop m hm.
Speaker 5: And then I'm like Jesus Mohammad and uh, roomy, who's
Speaker 5: that he's?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: He was a mystic poet pop talk about him? Yeah yeah, ok, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: here's a poet? Is a room m to me? Something
Speaker 1: like that? Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 2: What artists do you currently have on rotation? And what
Speaker 2: genre music you best? The best describes your running style?
Speaker 2: Two questions.
Speaker 5: So the what I'm listening to right now is on repeat,
Speaker 5: I just have It's Damian Marley. I listened to all
Speaker 5: of Marley's a lot, but right now.
Speaker 1: I've just been on Damien for for a minute. Jam rock.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And your running style, what kind of music is that?
Speaker 1: A good one? I think? Uh?
Speaker 5: Like I came up in nineties West Coast hip hop.
Speaker 5: It's like smooth and then it hits it.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, we all know that. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: What's the first thing you do when you wake up
Speaker 4: and the last thing you do before.
Speaker 1: You go to sleep? The first thing I do when
Speaker 1: I wake up is I roll up, and then I pray,
Speaker 1: and then you smoke.
Speaker 3: After you pray, I smoke after that.
Speaker 5: I noticed I noticed this morning I rolled up. I
Speaker 5: rolled up first, and then I went upstairs. Some mornings
Speaker 5: I pray first, but this morning I rolled up, then
Speaker 5: I pray, then I smoke, and then I read, meditate,
Speaker 5: and before I go to bed, I'm always reading.
Speaker 1: I read and smoke until I fall asleep. See.
Speaker 2: I pray, meditate, smoke every morning. Yeah, if you could
Speaker 2: see one person on our show, who would it be?
Speaker 2: But before you answer that, you have to help us
Speaker 2: get your answer on the show. All right, Janeico, Oh
Speaker 2: that's dope. And she smokes heavy too. Yeah yeah, actually yes,
Speaker 2: do you know her?
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 4: And we're gonna put a college big y'all both, we
Speaker 4: need both of y'all.
Speaker 3: Both y'all big shop. There's real for both, y'all.
Speaker 4: Well, man, that's a wrap, Ricky Man, we appreciate your time.
Speaker 4: I'm glad we got a chance to talk to you.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: I've been a big fan of yours for a long time.
Speaker 4: Obviously I'm a huge football fan. But again that you
Speaker 4: were before your time in the cannabis space, and uh,
Speaker 4: you know, we're someone like myself and my brother Al Harrington.
Speaker 4: We really kind of took that Jackson and really kind
Speaker 4: of continue to push the narrative man, but I feel
Speaker 4: like it really started with you.
Speaker 1: Man. I appreciate what you guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we need it, definitely.
Speaker 1: I'm a text boy, so I'm a different type of fan. Man.
Speaker 4: That's a rap with our man, Ricky Williams. See y'all
Speaker 4: next week.
Speaker 1: Peace,