1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: H m hmmm mm hmm. Welcome back all the smoke 2 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: for twenty edition. 3 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 2: Yes, sir Jack, what's the good full of these burgers? 4 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: I just had shut out the burn and that big 5 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 2: old blunt I had after that, So. 6 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 3: It's four twenty brother with me, just bad with me? 7 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 8 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 4: Man, we got a very special guest today, a pioneer 9 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 4: in the cannabis space but also amazing athlete. 10 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 3: Welcome to the show, Ricky Williams. 11 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: What up man? Well? 12 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 4: Brother, yeah good, thanks for being here. And we rolled 13 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 4: them up some of this bond bonds. This leaves bonbons, 14 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 4: so we'll enjoying this seven leaves bomb bond on this 15 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 4: special four to twenty episode. Man, what is the present 16 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 4: day looking like for Ricky Williams? 17 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: These days? 18 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 5: I mean a lot of this, okay, A lot of 19 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 5: smoking and a lot of talking. So I have a 20 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 5: couple of businesses, so I wake up and handle like 21 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 5: business stuff, and then the afternoons, my side hustle is 22 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,559 Speaker 5: I do professional astrology readings. 23 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: So really we'll talk to people like three people a day. 24 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 3: So you read cards. 25 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 5: I read cards, but more I read astrology charts. So 26 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 5: people give me their birth information and then I look 27 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 5: at where the stars and the planets where when they 28 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 5: were born and just try to give them some insight. 29 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 4: How long does that take because I want to do 30 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 4: that shit after the episode? Yeah, I mean, no, that's dope. 31 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 4: We got what got you into that? 32 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 5: So back in two thousand and four, when I retired 33 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 5: from football, I just started traveling around the world and 34 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 5: I met this lady and she started talking to me 35 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 5: about shit, and it's just like I lost it, just 36 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 5: blew my mind and gave me some direction, and so 37 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 5: I say, like, whatever that is, I need to like 38 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 5: get some of that. 39 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 3: Tap into it. Yeah, that's dope. 40 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 4: With the NFL Draft around the corner, are you still 41 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 4: locked into football all you pay attention at all? 42 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 3: Or you kind of removed yourself from that now. 43 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 5: If it's on, I can't help but be all the way, 44 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 5: all the way in it, So, but I don't watch 45 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 5: it that much. 46 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: It's funny. 47 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 5: I was watching the Super Bowl with my wife and 48 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 5: we got married after I finished football, and so she 49 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 5: never really seen me watch sports, and so the game 50 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 5: was on and I just was so locked in. 51 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: She's like, who are you? 52 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, do you do you miss it at all? Obviously? 53 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 4: You know we're going to get into how decorated your 54 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,679 Speaker 4: career was. You chose to step away obviously a little 55 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 4: sooner than than you could have, but miss it at all, obviously, 56 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 4: you say when you when you watch you still locked 57 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 4: in thoughts on just the sport as a whole. 58 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 5: You know what I miss and what I loved about 59 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 5: it was it was one place I could go every 60 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 5: day and I could just like put it all on 61 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,839 Speaker 5: the table and just everything and it wasn't too much. 62 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 5: And I missed that where everyone is aligned with the 63 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 5: same goal and. 64 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: No excuses, just get to work and get it done. 65 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: I missed that. 66 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: Talked about talk to us about your upbringing the San 67 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 2: Diego what was that like? 68 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 5: So I guess, like a lot of people that grew 69 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 5: up in time, I grew up, my parents split up, 70 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 5: and really my mom was more like a dad anyway, 71 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 5: and so I just had like a mom that was just. 72 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 3: About it, super mom. 73 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 5: Yeah like that, And so it just taught me how 74 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 5: to be tough and and above everything. She just taught 75 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 5: me that life ain't gonna be fair, don't expect it 76 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 5: to be, to make the most of every situation. 77 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: My mom's mom similarly the same way Like, So, having 78 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,119 Speaker 2: a strong mother like that at a young age, did 79 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: you have to. 80 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 5: Change the decision making Nope, Nope, because my mom's My 81 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 5: mom's thing was she wasn't like, don't do stuff. She 82 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 5: was like, if you do something, like be smart enough 83 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 5: to get away with it, and if you're not, like, 84 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 5: take your lumps to learn. And so it just was 85 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 5: really an attitude that that allowed me just to go 86 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 5: for it. 87 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: Right. 88 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: It's been said that even at an early age, you 89 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: had a profound outlook on life has been an adventure. 90 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 3: Talk about that. 91 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 5: That's just from church. I think, yeah, you know, just 92 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 5: going to church, and I was one of those kids. 93 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 5: I just was always locked in until whatever the preacher 94 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 5: was saying, whether he was living it or people were. 95 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: Living in I just will take it up. I was 96 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: locked in. 97 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 5: And so, like I said, my first role model, just 98 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 5: because I was exposed to him every week, was was 99 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 5: Jesus and the idea like he really didn't care what 100 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 5: people thought. He just was willing to go for it. 101 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 5: So I picked that up and I tried to live 102 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 5: that out of my life. 103 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 3: It's not a bad role model to have. 104 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, church started to become an issue when I got 105 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 5: like fifteen and they started to talk about that way 106 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:39,559 Speaker 5: till you get married. 107 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 2: I was like, wait a minute, I don't know when 108 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 2: did sports of martial laws come into play? 109 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: Early early? 110 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 5: I remember in kindergarten we had this teacher and she 111 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 5: was really big at the fitness and so she would 112 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 5: make us run two laps around the field. 113 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: And I remember the first day I was like, man, 114 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: I don't. 115 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 5: Feel like But then after two days, I just got curious, 116 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 5: like what if I was the first one like to finish? 117 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: What I would feel like? And I just took off 118 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: and I never stopped. 119 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 5: Now got that feeling that I realized I could do 120 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 5: something or something I was could be the best at 121 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 5: and I just I just leaned into. 122 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: That's a feeling. 123 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 4: Patrick Henry High School in San Diego. We got another 124 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 4: San Diego guy behind the camera. What school did you 125 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 4: go to? Big fella? The Saints Saint Augustine. Football and 126 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 4: baseball were the two sports in high school you chose 127 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 4: to run with. Tell me what you loved about each 128 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 4: of them. 129 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 5: Okay, what I loved? So baseball was my first love 130 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 5: growing up in San Diego. Watching Tony Gwen, I thought 131 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 5: I was gonna be like the next Tony Gwy and 132 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 5: my my stepdad was. 133 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 1: He was Pandomanian and he just loved baseball. 134 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 5: So it just was like he taught me how to 135 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 5: play baseball, and it just was that thing. Because my 136 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 5: mom told me when I was seven, she said, you 137 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 5: are going to college and I am not paying for it. 138 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 5: So I knew I had to had to do something, 139 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 5: but I thought it would be baseball. Kept playing in 140 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 5: football came along. I started playing when I was eighth grade. 141 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 5: I just was so much better. 142 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 3: It just always a running back. 143 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: I love playing defense too. Offense always, yeah, I love 144 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: to hit. 145 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 4: I could see you, big strong, thick ass out there 146 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 4: popping people exactly. Yep, you end up taking a scholarship 147 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 4: to Texas. What other colleges were in play at the time. 148 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: I pretty much. 149 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 5: Could have gone to any college. I took my recruiting 150 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 5: trips to Berkeley. 151 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 4: It seems like you would have fit into Berkeley. It 152 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 4: wasn't your thing, you know. 153 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 5: So I decided when I was a kid, I wanted 154 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 5: to be a professional baseball player, but I decided I 155 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 5: wanted to be a college football player. So my whole 156 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 5: thing about was a college football experience. So I went 157 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 5: to I took a trip to SC. Close to going 158 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 5: to SC, took a trip to Texas, Notre Dame, and 159 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 5: at the end of the day Texas just you know, 160 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 5: I was looking for that that the program where they 161 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 5: were almost on top and they just needed a couple 162 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 5: of missing pieces and I could be that missing piece. 163 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking for it. But I knew I had 164 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: to start as a freshman. 165 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 5: I knew if I was on the bench, like if 166 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 5: I had a red shirt out, I wouldn't make it. 167 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: Uh. 168 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 3: I got to go in and flight. Yeah, straight up. 169 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 4: I had to feel that San Diego has a rich 170 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 4: history of Heisman Trophy winners. When you were able to 171 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 4: bring that home, what did that mean for you? 172 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: It's interesting we have four we actually have four Heisman 173 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: Trophy winners. 174 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: So you run back Reggie Bush, Marcus Allen. 175 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: And Rashon Saloon. 176 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 3: Rashon Salon, Yeah, he went he was a husky, right, he. 177 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: Was a buffalo. He's a buffalo. 178 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, okay, Colorado, yeah, okay, Yeah, Well what did 179 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 4: that mean? Obviously, such a rich, rich history of great 180 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 4: running back from that area, and you were able to 181 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 4: continue to carry on that tradition. 182 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 5: No, Like it might sound cheesy, but it was one 183 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 5: of those things where I just I reflected back on 184 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 5: all the people that helped me get to that place, 185 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 5: and just reflected on my upbringing and how when I 186 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 5: was a kid, I had dreams and realized like all 187 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 5: the people that had to show up to help me 188 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 5: achieve those and I was just one of those moments 189 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 5: where I accomplished something and I knew I had to 190 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 5: do the work, but just realizing how many other people 191 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 5: it took the hell handle, yeah, and feeling like hoping 192 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 5: that all the people, you know, because I was a 193 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 5: knucklehead some time when I was a kid, a lot 194 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 5: of people had to like let me slide and forgive 195 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 5: me and give me second chances, and just thinking of, 196 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 5: you know, all those people hopefully at that moment where 197 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 5: they saw me receiving the trophy that they felt like 198 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 5: they were part of it. 199 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 3: Right, that's special. 200 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 4: Ninety five to ninety seven, you played minor league baseball 201 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 4: with the Phillies. 202 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 3: What was that like? 203 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: It was horrible? 204 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 5: It was horrible, but it helped me grow up though, Okay, 205 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 5: it helped me grow up. 206 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 3: So this is what you're I was out of high school. 207 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 5: So I left even like three days before I graduated 208 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 5: from from high school. 209 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: I got on a got on a plane and flew. 210 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 5: To Martinsville, Virginia, which is this tiny little town in Virginia. 211 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 5: In Virginia, and I was eighteen. I was like in 212 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 5: the South, staying with this dude named Bobby and punkin 213 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 5: in this house. 214 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: It was it just was culture shock, and I was 215 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: I was just homesick. It just was. 216 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 5: It was hard, but it was it helped me grow up, 217 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 5: right because like minor league baseball, you made eight fifty 218 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 5: eight to fifty a month, and it's like you're even 219 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 5: with others. 220 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: A grind. 221 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 3: What was the baseball? How was the baseball part? I struggled. 222 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 4: I struggled, do you think mentally because it was such 223 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 4: an adjustment mentally that you struggled obviously on the on 224 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 4: the actual sports side of it. 225 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. 226 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 5: If I'm being real, like you know, I'm kind of 227 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 5: a sensitive person and so if I don't feel like 228 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 5: comfortable in my surroundings that I like, I don't act right. 229 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 5: But if I feel comfortable, I can handle anything. 230 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: If I okay. 231 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 5: And so it just took me a while to figure out, 232 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 5: like what that sweet spot is for me. 233 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: Baseball. I get it was rough, but I grew up 234 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: because I would. 235 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 5: Go I went from minor league baseball straight to my 236 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 5: freshman year playing football, and then I would go back 237 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 5: to baseball and then back to football. So I would 238 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 5: go from you know, everybody like being the best, to 239 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 5: you know, just being a dude on the bus swinging 240 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 5: the bat. 241 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:47,719 Speaker 1: So it kept me, It kept me home. 242 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. 243 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 1: Let me ask a question. Were you cool when the 244 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: basketball players when you were Texas? I was Who were 245 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: you cool with? 246 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 5: I was cool with when I was in school with 247 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 5: Chris Klack? 248 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: Chris Clack. I played against him in state championship my 249 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: junior year. Yeah, Rich clag Yeah. They went to Austin 250 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: Edison Yeah yeah, sure, yeah sure. 251 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 5: Also Reggie you know Reggie FREEMANGI yeah he was. 252 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: He was a senior when I when I got there. 253 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: Did you know bj Tyler? I did? I sure did. Yeah, 254 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: so we're from the same hometown. Put off the text, Okay, 255 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: yeah for sure. 256 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 257 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 5: We had a James Brown, a quarterback with some portar Yeah. 258 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 259 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 4: Despite being a high first round projected picking none of 260 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 4: the eight you tried to decide to go back to 261 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 4: school for your senior year. 262 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 3: What made that jump in a time? 263 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 4: Actually you were a little early, but everyone is so 264 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 4: eager to jump now you actually decided to go back 265 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 4: and finish. 266 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: Like I said, when I was a kid, my goal 267 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: wasn't even really to go to the NFL. It was 268 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: to be a college football player. 269 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 5: But I'm not gonna lie. After I had my junior 270 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 5: I led the nation in Russian and scored. I was 271 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 5: thinking that going to the next level. And then I 272 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 5: was sitting in our media guy's office and he had 273 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 5: one of those almanacs on his desk, and so I 274 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 5: started flipping through it, and I flipped through to the 275 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 5: record for all time. 276 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: Leading rusher in college football history. 277 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 5: And I looked and I saw, like, damn, if I 278 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 5: have a similar year and I had last year, I 279 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 5: could be like most ever. And I flipped a couple 280 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 5: of pages to touchdowns and the same thing. I was like, 281 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 5: I got it. Then I went to all purpose yards, 282 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 5: did the math. I was like, Okay, if I come back, 283 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 5: I knew it was a risk. 284 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: If I come back. 285 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 5: And have the same kind of year, you know, I 286 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 5: could break all these records with their reach. 287 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I couldn't. I couldn't. So what was it like? 288 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 4: Obviously the college experience of self, but then knowing what 289 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 4: was on the line, really studying it and knowing what's 290 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 4: on the line your senior year. What was that senior 291 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 4: year like with all the attention you received, you. 292 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 5: Know, for real, it's when I started smoking. That's when 293 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 5: it all started. Because I came back everything on the line. 294 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 5: I was focused, and within the first couple of weeks 295 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 5: I had, I had a bad game against Kansas State 296 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 5: and I found out that my girl for like two years, 297 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 5: was like messing with the quarterback on the team. 298 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: On your team, on the other team on my dude 299 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: handed me the ball. 300 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 5: So so I was sick, and you know, I was 301 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 5: trying to be like the better person, to not make 302 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 5: a big deal and like mess up the whole season. 303 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 5: But at the same time I was. I remember I 304 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 5: was sitting there at home after the game. I was 305 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 5: just like, why the fuck did I come back for 306 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 5: this ship? Like, you know, my mind started early in 307 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 5: the season. Early in the season, my mind started going 308 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 5: to like I should have gone, I should have I 309 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 5: should have left, and my homeboy, like he's a smoker 310 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 5: and he's like, dude, you just need to chill. 311 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: He slid his ball over. 312 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 5: I hit it, and it was I had smoked a 313 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 5: little bit, but it was the first time where I 314 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 5: where I noticed that It took my mind off of 315 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 5: obsessing about the bullshit and I started thinking like about 316 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 5: next the next game and and no lie back to 317 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 5: back three hundred yard. 318 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 4: Rush after after that the first time seeing and I 319 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 4: loved that. Obviously we're going to get into it. You 320 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 4: were really a pioneer in this space as far as 321 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 4: just going to be. 322 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: Out forward with it. 323 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 4: But to see where medicating is in sports today and 324 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 4: kind of knowing after that first ball hit that shit 325 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 4: really changed your life. 326 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 3: Yeah easy to say. 327 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 4: I mean throughout your career knowing you needed that. How 328 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 4: how do you look at today's current policy for current athletes. 329 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 5: I think it's it's changing, thank goodness. But you just 330 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 5: said I needed it. And so when I got into 331 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 5: the league, Yeah, that's the right word. 332 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. 333 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 5: So I got in the league, and and when I 334 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 5: first got the league, I wasn't really smoking that much. 335 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 5: I smoke every once in a while with the guys, 336 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 5: but we're only being tested one time a year and 337 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 5: it was in training campra when I was with the Saints, 338 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 5: and so I never had an issue. And then I 339 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 5: was my third year, I kept getting hurt, and so 340 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 5: I started smoking a little bit more when I was hurt. 341 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 5: And then I got traded to Miami, and then I 342 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 5: started smoking a lot, and and nobody told me that 343 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 5: in Miami they drug test in the off season. So 344 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 5: I came to work one day and they were like, 345 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 5: you know, and then they got they put me in 346 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 5: the program. And when they put you in the program, 347 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 5: they test you nine times a month and you got 348 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 5: to talk. 349 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: To like a therapist for two years. Yeah. Same, same, Yeah. 350 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: So they put me in. 351 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 5: They put me in the program, and at first I 352 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 5: was like, I mean, I don't need to smoke, It's cool, 353 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 5: you know. Then after about like three weeks, I was 354 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 5: like damn. I was like, I can't do this shit 355 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 5: if I taking care of myself, right, So I started 356 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 5: to find a way to like smoke and still pass 357 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 5: the drug test. So what I think to me, especially football, 358 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 5: but I really all sports, if we're you know, what 359 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 5: we do to our bodies. I think leagues need to 360 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 5: give us all reasonable means to take care of ourselves. 361 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 5: And that's besides the conversation of how much better this is. 362 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: The pharmaceuticals right question. 363 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 2: I completely understand that nineteen ninety nine draft, the infamous trade, 364 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 2: the same trade every single pick they have, I mean, 365 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: the mascot, the concession stand. 366 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: They trade everybody for the boy. Talk about that. I mean, 367 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: I was, I was. 368 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 5: I was honored, But at the same time, I wanted 369 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 5: to be the number of the number one pick. So 370 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 5: I'm kind of salty, But I mean there's still they're 371 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 5: still they're still telling. 372 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: The story now, so that that's that's the positive side 373 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: of it. They gave up headsets, coolers, they gave up 374 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: all those picks and the first pick for the next year. 375 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have done it. 376 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 3: I would have done it. 377 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have done it. 378 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 5: I mean, if if he had coming to me and 379 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 5: he said I'm thinking about making. 380 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: This trade, I would have said, don't do it. You 381 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: don't do it. Yeah, don't do it. 382 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 4: Knowing all that, and everyone else knowing all that, your 383 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 4: team knowing all that, How hard did that? 384 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 3: Did Did that make it tough? 385 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 4: Coming into training camp and and and kind of your 386 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 4: first taste of the pros or was it smooth. 387 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 5: It made it tough in the sense that there was 388 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 5: just all this like extra like extra stuff on top 389 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 5: of Yeah, that was like it's not necessary to me. 390 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 5: What I what I loved about the game was like practice, 391 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 5: when you go on practice or when the game starts, 392 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 5: everything is focused. 393 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: When I hated about all the other stuff that happens 394 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: out of it. 395 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, to me, it's like if I'm doing my job 396 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 5: on the field, like what does it matter, right. 397 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: That's to do? 398 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, especially when I'm not really I'm chilling. I'm not 399 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 4: out there fucking going crazy and doing all this other shit. 400 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:17,239 Speaker 3: I'm in my house medicating exactly, staying. 401 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 4: Out the way. No limit sports. How did that happen? 402 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 4: So we're trying to get Pete too. I texted this 403 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 4: moil was like, Yo, we have Rick on the show Man. 404 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 4: We need you to come through too. But you talk 405 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 4: to us about what that experience was like. 406 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 2: By a whole pounds some master p Yeah, I'm a Romeo, 407 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 2: little Romeo. 408 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a lesson. You know, for me, I 409 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 5: thought I was an opportunity to do something different. And 410 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 5: when I when I came into the league and all 411 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 5: the agents, you know, typical agents coming at me, it 412 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 5: just felt like slimy and this dude Terry Rito like Pete, 413 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 5: like the runner for a No Limit Sports, Like he 414 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 5: became like an uncle to me and we just can't 415 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 5: real tight, like I could tell him anything and just 416 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 5: he just really helped me navigate that process. So when 417 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 5: the relationship fell through with my with my agent and 418 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 5: I was looking for finding a new agent, I was like, 419 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 5: since I have this kind of familiar relationship and I 420 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 5: feel like these people, it just makes sense to I 421 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 5: didn't realize everyone having like an opinion about it. 422 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: You know. 423 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 5: I thought it was an opportunity to say, like, we 424 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 5: keep looking to these kinds of people to take care 425 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 5: of us when there's other types of people out there. 426 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 5: And he was just starting No lim in Sports, and 427 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 5: I thought landed me like this could be an opportunity 428 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 5: to change something. 429 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 4: Help grow his company too. So how was your experience 430 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 4: with it? Like you said, it was a learning It 431 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 4: was wonderful. 432 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 3: You know. 433 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 5: I was fortunate because all of this happened before the draft, 434 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 5: and so you know PB from New Orleans, it was on. 435 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 5: It was on, and I felt in a sense when 436 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 5: I first got to New Orleans, I did feel like 437 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 5: a familial kind of sense because they were just down 438 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 5: in bound rouge and they were deep. So I felt 439 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 5: like I was part of the No Limit family. I 440 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 5: had my chain and everything. 441 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: Hey, they were a movement, they were a whole movement. 442 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 5: And then when it came down to the actual contract negotiation, 443 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 5: I took control and I and this was on me. 444 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 5: I told my agent what I what I wanted, and 445 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 5: again for me, I saw it as an opportunity to explain. 446 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: Statement for all the people that don't know what was 447 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: So what I. 448 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 5: Said is my agent came back to me and basically 449 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 5: had three different deals. What I told him going in 450 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 5: is I said, you know, I said, I want to 451 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 5: be paid for for my performance. I said, because I'm 452 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 5: the only draft pick that there's a certain like rookie 453 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 5: pool of the max amount of money that they can give. 454 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 5: I said, just give me that like max amount that 455 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 5: they can give me for what I've done in the past. 456 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 5: But moving forward, I want my performance performance bace. And 457 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 5: my agent said, well, you could get hurt and all 458 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 5: that stuff. 459 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 1: I said, I don't. 460 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 5: I said, I don't care, and he said, look, he said, look, 461 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 5: I'm going to go and negotiate three contracts, one that 462 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 5: what you want, one of what I think more most 463 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 5: guaranteed money, and then we'll do something in the middle. 464 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 5: And he tried to convince me to take that one 465 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 5: in the middle, but I said no. I said, I 466 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,479 Speaker 5: want the one that only pays me if I kill it. 467 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 2: But that makes sense because that's what the youngsters y'all 468 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: need to pay attention. Because the agent works for you, 469 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 2: you don't work for him. So that's how it's supposed 470 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 2: to be anyway. 471 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 4: But then unfortunately got hurt though, right I got hurt though, 472 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 4: talk to us about that process. 473 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 5: My whole career from pop owner all the way to 474 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 5: I didn't miss never missed a game, so I wasn't 475 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 5: even thinking about it. 476 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: Registered But what if I get hurt. 477 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 5: So first preseason game, first preseason game, and get a 478 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 5: high ankle spray, and I'm gonna I consider myself one 479 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 5: of those those guys just plays through. And so I 480 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 5: missed a couple of games in the preseason. I was 481 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 5: just barely ready for the first game, wrapped up that 482 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 5: ain't going out. Reinjured it the first first quarter. Okay, 483 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 5: so came out, but I got got myself right for 484 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 5: the next game. I get wrapped up. Last play of 485 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 5: the game, quarterback throws me the bomb running down the field. 486 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 5: Dislocate my elbow. So I got the ankles. Just starting 487 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 5: to get better. Now I got the dislocated elbow. Then God, 488 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 5: we had a bye week, so I rehabbed. I was 489 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 5: ready for that next week. Ankle braised the elbow braids 490 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 5: and I and I toughed it out for like five 491 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 5: weeks until I finally got healthy. Then I started having 492 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 5: one hundred yard games, and then I got a turf 493 00:19:58,119 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 5: toe and I missed four games. 494 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 4: People don't understand how bad turf toe is. I had 495 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 4: to have surgery on my turf toe. Man, that ship 496 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 4: is no joke. Yeah, but all this you played through. 497 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 4: So what you feel like? Obviously, cannabis played a huge 498 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 4: part in obviously the mental but then also the recovery 499 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 4: part in that. 500 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 5: No, the truth though, if I if I think if 501 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 5: I was smoking more earlier in my career, I think 502 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 5: I I think I could have avoided a lot of 503 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 5: because when I started smoking, I didn't get hurt anymore. 504 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: No recovery. 505 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the recovery, but I think even more so 506 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 5: it's just getting your mind right, because most of the time. 507 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: People get hurt. 508 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 5: It's like you're you're not You're not not dialed in right, 509 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 5: You're not down in. 510 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 4: What or were you So I was someone who smoked 511 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 4: day of the game. Were you someone similar or night before? 512 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 4: How did you intake? 513 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: I mean I was like I was after. I was 514 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: always after. Okay, that's what he was because two things. 515 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 5: One I wasn't smoking enough to have my tolerance at 516 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 5: that level where I felt comfortable. And two I just 517 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 5: think the stigma it didn't even occur to me. I 518 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 5: don't know if you guys have had this moment, but 519 00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 5: I had this moment. I was I was in Jamaica, 520 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 5: visiting where where Bob was born, his birthplace, and I 521 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 5: was with his younger brother, and his brother was saying 522 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 5: Bob used to go to that rock. 523 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: Up there and read the smoke and read the Bible. 524 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: And I was like, you can smoke and read the Bible. 525 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 5: I had that moment like where something that's supposed to 526 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 5: be good for you is something that's supposed to be 527 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 5: bad for you. 528 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: How they could come together And I just was like, damn, 529 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: so I. 530 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 5: Got my Bible, got my split foot up there smoked, 531 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 5: and I like, that's when I had that moment. 532 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: That's what I at that point twenty seven is right before. 533 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 5: It was like a week before I retired, and so like, 534 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 5: you know, I think, yeah, I think smoking. I had 535 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 5: a day at practice when I was playing. I played 536 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 5: a year in Canada and I broke my ankle and 537 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 5: uh and messed up my arm. So I wasn't I 538 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 5: was in rehab and the guys and I was just 539 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 5: coming back though, and the guys were driving to practice 540 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 5: and they were passing the blunt around and I was 541 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 5: just like, I'm not playing, So I was like, I'll 542 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 5: smoke before practice. I had the most amazing like practice ever. 543 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 5: I didn't feel my my pain. I felt like I 544 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 5: was a kid again out there just bawling, right, So 545 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 5: I got it, but. 546 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: It was it was yeah, damn. 547 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 4: So yeah, I was someone who because like I said, 548 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 4: I think you said it perfectly, like it locks it. 549 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 4: It calms the outside noise and you lock in on 550 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 4: with your what your job is supposed to be. Yeah, 551 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 4: and that's you know, the ultimate focus. 552 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: Mike Dicka. Yes, ESPN magazine cover. Yeah, how did that 553 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: come about? Damn? 554 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 5: Levatard worked for ESPN at the time. Uh, he's writing 555 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 5: for ESPN the magazine, and we become close and he 556 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 5: reached out and he said, they want to do a 557 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 5: piece for the cover of you and Dicka, and so 558 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 5: they We went back and forth for like two months, 559 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 5: throw a different ideas around about the picture, and then 560 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 5: one day Dan called and he said, like, what about 561 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,479 Speaker 5: you got you in a wedding dress and Dica in 562 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 5: a in a tux, like you guys are getting married. 563 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 5: And I was on my phone in the car and 564 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 5: I laughed and I said that'd be funny. 565 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah. 566 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 5: But then when I got there that day, I was like, 567 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 5: I was like, and then when it came out and. 568 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: The media had it, then it really wasn't funny. 569 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, that was today boy, he said. At first 570 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 4: I laughed, but then I got there, it wasn't funny. 571 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 5: I had to put the dress on him and realize 572 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 5: what was what was going on? 573 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: What was happening? Yeah? 574 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, God damn. 575 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: Obviously. 576 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 4: You know you spoke of someone who was never injured 577 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 4: until you got to the Pros. When you in the 578 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 4: Pros and you get injured, the first thing they want 579 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 4: to do is pump you full of all kinds of 580 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 4: different bulloids and and shit that is masking one problem 581 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 4: causing long term effects on the other side. Talk to 582 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 4: us about that proces because I know you've been very 583 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 4: vocal with the recovery of it, but just also the 584 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 4: whole overall process. 585 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. 586 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 5: Well, I remember one day I was I was sitting 587 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 5: in the in the training room before practice, and I 588 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 5: was watching each of the guys come in for practice 589 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 5: to get the tourd off shot, and I started doing 590 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 5: the math like I was like, if someone plays eight 591 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 5: ten years and they have to do this every day 592 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 5: for practice, Like what is this doing? 593 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: What is it? What is this doing to our bodies? 594 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 4: And real quick, I don't want to cut you off. 595 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 4: Please remember your thought. Tour do all is so strong 596 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 4: that when I was with the Clipper going into the playoffs, 597 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 4: I got hit by Dwight Howard and had a minor 598 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 4: tear in my shoulder so in my shooting arm, so 599 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 4: during the whole round, like during the week, I couldn't 600 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 4: barely lift my arm. 601 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: I'm doing rehab to lift my arm. 602 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 4: I'll take the toward all shot too outs before the 603 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 4: game and I'm totally fine. 604 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: Totally fine, Like unbelievable. 605 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 5: You go to practice without toward all, you feel like 606 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 5: you're eighty five years old. 607 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 4: You can't imagine doing it in practice. I had in 608 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 4: the game, I like Superman. That's the same. That's the 609 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 4: year we beat San Antonio in the first round and 610 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 4: the last play I blocked Kawhi that was my hurt 611 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 4: shoulder that the day before I couldn't even lift. 612 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so it's real. So I understood why. 613 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 5: But I was doing the math and I said, I 614 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 5: gotta find like some other way to take care of 615 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 5: my liver too, And I just started smoking more and 616 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 5: then finding like how to take care of myself. Like 617 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 5: I spent a little bit more time stretching, and also 618 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 5: was when I smoked in stretched. 619 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: I was really getting in there and really. 620 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 4: Like, yeah, you have a focus, a different focus. How 621 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 4: many years did you play eleven? At what point in 622 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 4: your career did you kind of say I'm leaving this 623 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 4: person described medicine from the league behind and solely smoking 624 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 4: cannabis or was it always a balance of both? 625 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: It was. 626 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 5: It was a balance up until that moment I just 627 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 5: told you about. But after that, I mean I might 628 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 5: have taken something like I had to be in a 629 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 5: lot of pain before I would take something. So and 630 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 5: I was probably six or seven years in in but 631 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 5: I started taking care of myself and I didn't spend 632 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 5: any time in the training room, and the trainer just 633 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 5: left me alone because they were like, whatever you're doing. 634 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 4: And I think a running back you get hit the 635 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 4: most exactly whether you're blocking or running. 636 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 3: That's a beautiful thing. 637 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: Damn. 638 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 3: See. 639 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 5: I think in the long term, like, if these sports 640 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 5: teams start to support players using cannabis, it's going to 641 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 5: save them a lot of a lot of money. 642 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: Point blank. That's no. 643 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 3: What do you think about. 644 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 4: High profile athletes now not necessarily coming out in hey 645 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 4: I'm out here smoking, but knowing that they do use it, 646 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 4: and there's kind of a perception now that they're starting 647 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 4: to realize it's like, Okay, the best players are actually 648 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 4: using this too. 649 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 3: What is your thought about that. 650 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 5: I mean, personally, I think that the players should be 651 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 5: out there saying, yeah, I agree, I use this because 652 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 5: you know, what I found is so many people come 653 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 5: up to me and they've said, you know, I was 654 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,959 Speaker 5: like had an attitude about this and I was against 655 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 5: it until like your story and I saw you and 656 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 5: because of that, I tried it and it helped me, right, 657 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 5: And so I think players coming out and being honest 658 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 5: is just going to really help a lot of people 659 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 5: get access to us that for whatever reason in their 660 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 5: mind or whatever, they don't have access to it. 661 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 2: And stop worrying about what people think. And I think 662 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 2: that's the biggest part. Like even me, I stopped smoking 663 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 2: because I'm Muslim, but then again, I know I need it, 664 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 2: but I but I know I'm one of the most 665 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 2: righteous people alive, you know what I mean. It's just 666 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 2: got to get to the point where you do what's 667 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 2: best for you and not where about what people say. 668 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 2: And I think that's why a lot of players don't 669 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 2: come out and talk about it. 670 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 1: But I think a lot of it is misinformation. 671 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,719 Speaker 5: And what I've realized is when we were young and 672 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,160 Speaker 5: so we hear people say like the war on drug 673 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 5: war on drugs. Now that I'm older and I've gone 674 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 5: back and like just studied a little bit, it really 675 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 5: was a war. Like literally, like are this mighty government 676 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 5: militarized against against cannabis? 677 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: Militarized anything about? 678 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 5: Like in any war, there's always a lot of casualties, 679 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 5: and it takes a long time to heal. But if 680 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 5: we go like pre drug war, and we really understand 681 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 5: the history of this planet, it was used by righteous 682 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 5: people to help them achieve more righteousness, Like that's what 683 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 5: it was for. And and I think too, we're remembering that, 684 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 5: but we're doing it the hard way because we're like, 685 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 5: at least for me, I became a better person when 686 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 5: I started. 687 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 2: My wife told me that please hurry up back smoke. 688 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 2: She used to text me. 689 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 4: She was texting him, git him back to smoke, please, 690 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 4: because he's not the same person. 691 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 3: It's needed, it's needed. 692 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 2: You traded to Miami in two thousand and two and 693 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 2: led the league in Russian for for your first year. 694 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 2: You almost had eight hundred carries for those first two years, 695 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 2: both of the seasons, your top twenty for most carries 696 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:05,719 Speaker 2: by running back in the season. 697 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 1: That's a lot of way. 698 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 2: And tell on your body in the NFL carrying that 699 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 2: many times, and we know how you run. I just 700 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,719 Speaker 2: told the people that's gonna get the prepops that were 701 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 2: running over shit. Yeah, what's your mind sign? What's your 702 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 2: mind frame? 703 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 5: The first year when I led the league in rushing, 704 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 5: I averaged four point seven yards of carry. 705 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: So and that was great. 706 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 5: And next year I averaged three point eight yards to 707 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 5: carry more carries a lot less yards. 708 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: That was not so. 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Because I mean, that's 776 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 4: a lot of the mental health that athletes are talking about. 777 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 4: You just saw Kyrie yesterday kind of go in on 778 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 4: fans Like, what kind of toll did that take on you? 779 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: Well? 780 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 5: I think it takes a toll the fact that just 781 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 5: in general, as a professional athlete, that people like they 782 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 5: forget that we're human. 783 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 4: Being deal they think because we make money that they 784 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 4: can that we don't have feelings. 785 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, but on a deeper level, like to me, it's like, 786 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 5: you're the one paying money to watch us, you know 787 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 5: what I'm saying, So there's probably something that we're doing 788 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 5: that you could learn from, and so instead of like 789 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 5: throwing shit out of it's like trying to learn from us, 790 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 5: because whatever we're doing, you're like, yeah, you rather spend 791 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 5: time with us than your family. 792 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 2: At some point I had to figure out that it's 793 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,719 Speaker 2: people that are just fans of the sport. But then 794 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 2: you got people that wish they could be you, you 795 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 2: know what I mean, And that's where we get the 796 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 2: confusion at You got people that really that really wish 797 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 2: they had like playing basketballs, people that really had hoop dreams, 798 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 2: that really wanted to be in the NBA, that play 799 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 2: a man whoever did all that some fun? Everybody that 800 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 2: played basketball that made to the NBA. But then you 801 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 2: got your fans that really love a team. I think 802 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 2: the fact that they sitting together in the stadium, it's 803 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 2: hard to separate the good fans and. 804 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: The bad fans. 805 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. 806 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 2: Is it a coincidence that you just started falling drug 807 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 2: tests around the time? 808 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 5: Well, I think the other question, is it a coincidence 809 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 5: that I started leading the league and rushing, because so, 810 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 5: like when I first got to Miami, that's when I 811 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 5: really started smoking. I remember I come home after after 812 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 5: working out and smoke and I would like start to 813 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 5: like visualize myself like killing it, just killing. 814 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: So I just had this. I just had this. 815 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,719 Speaker 5: By the time the season came, I just had this 816 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 5: knowing that. It's like I was ready. I was ready, 817 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 5: And so I think that had a lot to. 818 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 2: Do with the tree. Yeah, yeah, I love that. I mean, 819 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 2: we can we can speak to that. 820 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. I gotta be high every doing everything. 821 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 2: I agree, there's no way, though, I can do nothing 822 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 2: without it. You're preaching to the choir, yes, or would you? 823 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 2: I mean, it's like I can't, I can't. I'm sorry, Yeah, 824 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 2: I can't. 825 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 4: Two thousand and four, you decided to retire. What uh 826 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 4: you were over everything? Where were you at mentally with that? 827 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 4: And what made you come to that and to smoke my. 828 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: Tree in peace? Yeah? You know it's interesting. 829 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 5: I feel like sometimes in life, like the universe is 830 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 5: trying to tell us something and sometimes we don't want 831 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 5: to hear it, and it's got to like tell us 832 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 5: really loudly. And So two thousand and two, I let 833 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 5: the NFL and rush. In two thousand and three, I 834 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 5: got my tour up. So coming into the next season, 835 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 5: you know, I went to the two thousand and four 836 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 5: I went to the Dolphins and I and I said, like, 837 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 5: if you're going to give me the ball, like and 838 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 5: expect me to do everything, like, you need to like 839 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,760 Speaker 5: take care of me, make sure that. Cause I started 840 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 5: to like think about the future and think like if 841 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 5: I keep doing this, I'm not going to last very long, 842 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 5: and like what am I going to have to show 843 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 5: for it? 844 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: So I said, like, if. 845 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 5: You're going to do this, I'm good with it, but 846 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 5: help me feel good about doing right. And their response, 847 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 5: but they went today they came back with the business response, 848 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 5: and for me, like a business decision, right is my 849 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 5: business decision is? This is my only body, and I 850 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 5: have to find a way to take care of it. 851 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 5: I need to feel good. That's my business. I understand 852 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 5: you got your business if you've got salary cap and 853 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 5: all that other stuff. Just the way they came back 854 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 5: to me, I was like, Okay, they don't really they 855 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 5: don't really appreciate they're taking me for granted. 856 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: And so already I was like okay. 857 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 5: And then after having that year and thinking, you know, 858 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 5: I spent all my life trying to be the best 859 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 5: football player I can be, and I realized that it 860 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,919 Speaker 5: has there's a lot more that goes into me being 861 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 5: a good football player. And by being a good football player, 862 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 5: I've seen I've been kind of like a like a 863 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 5: not a good person at some of these and it 864 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 5: started to bother me. So I started to think about, 865 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 5: like what am I doing with my life? And what 866 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,439 Speaker 5: I felt was I need to like travel and see 867 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 5: the world and do some shit because my heart's not 868 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 5: in this right now. And then with the contract and 869 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 5: then all this other stuff started happening, so I just 870 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 5: was like, I hear the message, it's time for me 871 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 5: to go, So so I bounced. 872 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: It was just one of those things. 873 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 5: Where you know, but I think, like, again, my dream 874 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,439 Speaker 5: as a kid was to make it as a college 875 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 5: football player and then to have some kind of platform 876 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 5: where I could like tell people like what I think. 877 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 5: And I got to the NFL and people were just like, 878 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 5: shut up, shut up, we don't want to hear. And yeah, 879 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 5: we don't want to hear what you have to say, 880 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 5: just go run. And then I, you know, I got 881 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 5: to the point where I was like, I need to 882 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 5: have I need to say something. But then I realized, 883 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 5: because I've been chasing football my whole life, I don't 884 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 5: really have anything to say. So I left and I 885 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 5: started traveling and just having more experiences of meeting different people, 886 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 5: and went back to school, started studying things I was 887 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 5: really passionate about. 888 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: So I learned. So I now I feel like I 889 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: have actually something to say. 890 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 4: What was it like because obviously back then, when you 891 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 4: were doing it, the cannabis was the ultimate no. So 892 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 4: the media content starts to paint a picture of a 893 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 4: bad person when again, you've explained to all the reasons 894 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 4: why leading up to this. But how hard was that 895 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 4: having to deal with that on a daily basis? 896 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 1: You know, I was fortunate a couple of things. You know. 897 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 5: One, back in two thousand and four, nobody, like we 898 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 5: weren't educated about cannabis the way we are now, Like 899 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 5: outside of California and Oregon, nobody was talking about medicinal marijuana, 900 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 5: and so I didn't have the language. And so when 901 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 5: it first hit the news that failing a drug test 902 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 5: was connected to my retirement, I had a friend of 903 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 5: mine who was leaving the country, so I was like, yeah, 904 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 5: let's go. 905 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: So I didn't have to really deal with any of 906 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: it because I was traveling around the world. 907 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 5: And the funny thing, as I was traveling around the world, 908 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 5: I kept meeting people who like smoked, and so. 909 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,879 Speaker 1: Where I like, I wasn't. I wasn't trying to run 910 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: away from it. 911 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 5: But I thought it was interesting that as I was 912 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 5: like out and about, people didn't even know who I was. 913 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: And I kept running. 914 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 5: Into it, and I kept running it into it in 915 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 5: ways where people were talking about it, in ways that 916 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 5: I had never heard people talk about cannabis. And so well, 917 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 5: I ended up back in northern California studying ariveda with 918 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 5: Indian medicine, and I was looking through a book and 919 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 5: I came across a book and it had a whole 920 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 5: chapter on cannabis, and again, at that time, no one 921 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,760 Speaker 5: was talking about medicinal marijuana. And so I started to realize, 922 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 5: there's a lot more to this, to this thing than 923 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,280 Speaker 5: than what we've been told. And because I surrounded myself 924 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 5: with those kinds of people, when I finally did have 925 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 5: to deal with the media, I felt more supported. And 926 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 5: so Mike Wallace from Sixty Minutes came to northern California 927 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 5: where I was studying, ariveda and it was like that 928 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 5: interviewer we found, we found Ricky and one of the 929 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 5: questions he asked straight up, he said, if the NFL 930 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 5: drug tested you right now, how would you pass the test? 931 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 5: And I remember, you know, looking at him, and everything 932 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 5: in my head was saying lie, lie, Lie lie, and 933 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 5: something I just said, like I just said no, I 934 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 5: would fail. And it was like it was this moment 935 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 5: where I was being real while here was this this 936 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 5: was two thousand and four. I was being like honest 937 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,479 Speaker 5: and I was being real and I knew I wasn't 938 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 5: supposed to, but it felt like really liberating because I 939 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:25,760 Speaker 5: wasn't in the NFL. 940 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:26,399 Speaker 1: It felt like. 941 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 5: Liberating to be able to like to tell my truth 942 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 5: and not back down for it, you know, and like 943 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 5: that to me, that was a special moment in my 944 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 5: life where I kind of said I'm on this side. 945 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: I made a statement. 946 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 4: So after that, I mean, that was kind of obviously 947 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 4: a groundbreaking type of situation. What was with the feedback 948 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 4: on that? Because I always say like you were just 949 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 4: ahead of your time, Like if you came out and 950 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,280 Speaker 4: did that, now you would be leading athletes in this space. 951 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 4: I mean, you're obviously one of the top people. But 952 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 4: to do it back in that time in two thousand 953 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,799 Speaker 4: and four, once you kind of came out and told 954 00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 4: your truth, it was almost a weightlifted on your off 955 00:38:59,640 --> 00:38:59,919 Speaker 4: your show. 956 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 3: There's what was the what was it met with? 957 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 5: So, you know, funny like personally it was it was 958 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,399 Speaker 5: the coolest thing in the world because you know, I'd 959 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 5: be on the airport, I'd be hanging around. I remember 960 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 5: I was in Sacramento at the airport and I was 961 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,359 Speaker 5: kind of lived up there at the time, and some 962 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 5: guy like it was that same feeling of when somebody 963 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 5: recognizes me, but he was like, hey. 964 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,439 Speaker 1: I got I got something in my car. 965 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 5: You would have come and people would just come up 966 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 5: to me and just give me weed. Like, so it 967 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 5: was amazing, like the like the one on one dealing 968 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 5: with people. I felt like I was more real to 969 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,760 Speaker 5: people and there was something up for us to connect 970 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 5: on on a deeper level. 971 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 1: And you know, the NFL. 972 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,720 Speaker 5: I came back to the NFL, partially because the Dolphins 973 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 5: sued me for eight million dollars, but also the NFL 974 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 5: kept asking me to come back. 975 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: Who won they wanted they wanted? Yeah, yeah, So I 976 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: came back and and it was weird. 977 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 5: I was still in the NFL drug program, but it 978 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 5: was like nobody just nobody ever talked about it. And 979 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 5: one time, one time, somebody, uh, one of the people 980 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 5: in the media, we had like a b week and 981 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,479 Speaker 5: we had a couple of days off, and he said, 982 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 5: do you ever think about smoking weed? 983 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,759 Speaker 1: And I was just being honest. I was like, I 984 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,400 Speaker 1: think about that shit all the time. 985 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 5: And then it kind of came up and it was 986 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 5: like a you know, coach told me, like, you know, 987 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,720 Speaker 5: don't be a distraction. But other than that, everyone pretended 988 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 5: like pretend like it didn't happen. Yeah, that's crazy. 989 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 4: What did you really find out about yourself once you 990 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,240 Speaker 4: stepped away from football? 991 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 5: I think I found out that I was just a 992 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,799 Speaker 5: more spiritual person than I than I thought. 993 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:36,320 Speaker 4: And that's what leads you into all the astrology stuff exactly. 994 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 5: Just I'm like that, I'm just really curious. I just 995 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 5: want to want to learn exactly. That's all I got. 996 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,239 Speaker 5: All I think about. 997 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 4: Where else did you get to travel? You said you 998 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 4: travel the world where some of the favorite places you 999 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 4: pit stopped at. 1000 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,800 Speaker 1: I love Thailand. I love Thailand. 1001 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 3: It's beautiful out there. 1002 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, Australia was Australia was cool because it's different, but 1003 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 5: everybody speaks English, so it was different enough, but it 1004 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,480 Speaker 5: still felt familiar enough in. 1005 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 1: Your in your travels. Who had the best grass? Good question? 1006 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 5: I mean obviously Amsterdam, Amsterdam, but Hawaii surprisingly. 1007 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 1: Yeah they got we were there. Yeah, we were there Hawaii. 1008 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 5: I was just now the whole nother like I don't 1009 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 5: know if it was that batch or if it's across 1010 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 5: the board. 1011 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 1: But I had it like that, so fire out there. 1012 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was funny because we used to go to 1013 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,840 Speaker 4: Amsterdam and the off season, me and some guys that 1014 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,760 Speaker 4: are still playing. But they said they get a majority 1015 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,360 Speaker 4: of their way from California, Northern California in. 1016 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 2: Particular, you bounced back in the league in two thousand 1017 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:44,280 Speaker 2: and five, right, but you're still dealing with the NFL 1018 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 2: drug policy. 1019 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 1: Back and forth, back and forth. What was that like? 1020 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 1: It was stressful. I know it's stressful. You just want 1021 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:51,439 Speaker 1: to smoke them chill. 1022 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,720 Speaker 4: Well, you said, you said at one point you learned 1023 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 4: how to be tested, and still was this during that 1024 00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 4: time because I went. 1025 00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 1: Through different phases. 1026 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 5: Like the first the first time I got into the program, 1027 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 5: I found this drink okay, and. 1028 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 1: Ours was called liquid. We used to use something. 1029 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 5: Extra extra clear or something okay, and you gotta like, 1030 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 5: you gotta drink it, and then you wait fifteen minutes, 1031 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,279 Speaker 5: drink about the water. Fifteen minutes, drink about the water, 1032 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 5: and then your piece. 1033 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 1: Cleant. 1034 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 4: You gotta window, you gotta keep paying, Yes, you gotta 1035 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,719 Speaker 4: keep peeing. Yeah, we're giving away our secretuse. We've never 1036 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 4: talked about this the first time. 1037 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:26,719 Speaker 1: This is the first time. 1038 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 3: Our ship used to be liquid. 1039 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 5: That's what got me though, is at the time that 1040 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 5: I got popped the second time is like I went out, 1041 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 5: we lost to the Eagles and we got knocked out 1042 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:35,799 Speaker 5: of the playoffs, and I. 1043 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 1: Just was like, went too hard that night. 1044 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,920 Speaker 5: So he would come at six o'clock in the morning, 1045 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 5: So I wake up at five. 1046 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 1: The process and I fell back asleep. You didn't get that. 1047 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,240 Speaker 5: I didn't get the piss off and I just barely failed. 1048 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,240 Speaker 4: You got to get at least three to four p's 1049 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 4: out before you're clear. 1050 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was we got so speaking to your ship. 1051 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 4: So when I was I was in the program with 1052 00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,120 Speaker 4: the Clippers and got traded to Memphis, and uh, the 1053 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,399 Speaker 4: p man was coming once a week, so I would 1054 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 4: be clean all week he would come, know him by name. 1055 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,240 Speaker 4: He would actually I did know his name forgot the ship. 1056 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 4: But I'd be clean all week, and then the day 1057 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,319 Speaker 4: he tests me, I'll smoke the entire day and then 1058 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 4: try to get clean the whole entire week, and I'll 1059 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:16,359 Speaker 4: be able to take. 1060 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,960 Speaker 5: My That was my second That was my second way. 1061 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,360 Speaker 5: The second time when I came back. 1062 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 1: It was only once a week, and yeah. 1063 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,360 Speaker 5: And then I got to the point where I realized 1064 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 5: I could take three hits and pass the tests the 1065 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 5: next day. 1066 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 4: Oh, three hits and past the next day. So you 1067 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,399 Speaker 4: would just want to take a drink, drink a bunch 1068 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:29,920 Speaker 4: of water. 1069 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 5: Just because I was as an athlete, we're cyclist so much. 1070 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 5: The cannabis when it comes out, it's because it's stored. 1071 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,439 Speaker 5: But if you don't smoke enough to store it, it isn't. 1072 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,359 Speaker 3: Yeah you was Michael does and before Michael does. 1073 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: But because I was in the program and Michael does worked. 1074 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,839 Speaker 5: You know, when you're doing like three hits as much 1075 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 5: exactly get you where you need to be exactly. 1076 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,279 Speaker 2: I didn't have that power you all the way in 1077 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:54,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to go to sleep. 1078 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 1: That's how I was. 1079 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 4: I had some shipip shipped up from Cali and every 1080 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 4: once a week, I get to smoke once a week, 1081 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,400 Speaker 4: so I'd burn it down like two three joints. I'd 1082 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,279 Speaker 4: probably pass out in my chair. It was on the 1083 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 4: regular wake up and just I had to get it 1084 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,080 Speaker 4: in me. We've never talked about that because I never 1085 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 4: wanted to bust no one out. But since they don't 1086 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 4: test for it no more. Because everyone used to say 1087 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,239 Speaker 4: what do you used to take? And we used to 1088 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:18,680 Speaker 4: have to tell it but it was liquid from G 1089 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,200 Speaker 4: and C or when they didn't have liquid. I would 1090 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:22,920 Speaker 4: just say, yo, what's I would go to I'd be 1091 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 4: real with to do it, like I got to pass 1092 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 4: the P test. Would you recommend what's the hardest cleanser 1093 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 4: you have, and they would give it to you. But 1094 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,840 Speaker 4: you would feel like shit though, because you had to 1095 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,799 Speaker 4: take that drink that I just used to take a bunch. 1096 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:34,919 Speaker 4: I used to have my trainers. I used to drop 1097 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,279 Speaker 4: some of my trainers from Bread to give me a 1098 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 4: heads up, like, because they got to a point where 1099 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:39,920 Speaker 4: we're doing four randoms during the season, we didn't know 1100 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:40,560 Speaker 4: where it was coming. 1101 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:41,240 Speaker 3: Four randoms. 1102 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 4: This is not even in the program though, this is 1103 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 4: just regular wow, four random tests. So I would always, 1104 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 4: you know, I get some of my trainers from Bread, 1105 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,719 Speaker 4: like just give me a heads up the morning they come. 1106 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 4: So sometimes I do that whole process and be bloated 1107 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,120 Speaker 4: like a motherfucker and I didn't even get tested. 1108 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:56,840 Speaker 1: I was pissed. 1109 00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,319 Speaker 2: But at one point we knew that you can go 1110 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 2: on a drug ram and still smoke. So we told 1111 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,759 Speaker 2: them and Early Live we was like, man, I'm pissing dirty. 1112 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,600 Speaker 2: Put them in the program and you can stand up. 1113 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 2: I stayed in the program. Damn. The three seasons under company. 1114 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,120 Speaker 2: It wasn't no penalties that that they wouldn't They wouldn't 1115 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:15,520 Speaker 2: help you. As long as you in the program, you 1116 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 2: just got to pee a certain amount of times and 1117 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,000 Speaker 2: something you could up. But it was really I stayed 1118 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,320 Speaker 2: in that motherfucker for three years. 1119 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,359 Speaker 5: If you're in the program and you get popped, that's 1120 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,319 Speaker 5: like four game suspensions, It's like, and it keeps getting worse. 1121 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 4: It probably weren't some penalties, but Jack probably just when 1122 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 4: I first got in the league, it was one drug test. 1123 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,799 Speaker 4: Like them, it was a preseason They got the whole 1124 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,880 Speaker 4: team too, Yes, so we could. We had We had 1125 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 4: weed in the car as soon as we got there 1126 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 4: out of practice that day. 1127 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:38,640 Speaker 3: That's how it used to be. 1128 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 2: How did the turbulent relationship with the NFL and pack 1129 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:41,560 Speaker 2: your image? 1130 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,759 Speaker 1: Though I know that kind of pissed you off, honestly, 1131 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,600 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it actually helped. It 1132 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:48,400 Speaker 1: actually helped. 1133 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 5: I mean I had to come back and like finish 1134 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,359 Speaker 5: my career and like earn that kind of respect and 1135 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,200 Speaker 5: carry myself for certain way. But at the end of 1136 00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,120 Speaker 5: the day, it turns into like a redemption story and 1137 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,640 Speaker 5: it allowed me now to tell a positive. 1138 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 2: Exactly right, I was right the whole time. Yeah, basically, 1139 00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:07,279 Speaker 2: straight up? 1140 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:08,799 Speaker 1: What was it like? Real quick? 1141 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,360 Speaker 4: I want to know because my brother played with the 1142 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,239 Speaker 4: Argonauts and went running great Cup. What was that experience like, 1143 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:14,920 Speaker 4: because that was the one thing he was a receiver, 1144 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,960 Speaker 4: and he said they used to just that the treatment 1145 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,600 Speaker 4: was low grade. 1146 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,719 Speaker 3: Just it was tough to really make. 1147 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 5: It if you come from even like college and the 1148 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:24,799 Speaker 5: States to something and. 1149 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:25,560 Speaker 1: Then you go to that. 1150 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,879 Speaker 5: I mean, but like our our facility were trailers, right, 1151 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,080 Speaker 5: you know, trailers we did. Like our our team meeting 1152 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 5: room was just a trailer. 1153 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:36,440 Speaker 1: But but I. 1154 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,240 Speaker 5: Will say, like if you if you really are about 1155 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,920 Speaker 5: the game, you know, then it like can bring you 1156 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,680 Speaker 5: back to it. And for me it did, Like because 1157 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,600 Speaker 5: if there are only certain there's only a certain number 1158 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,319 Speaker 5: of American players that can be on the team. So 1159 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,520 Speaker 5: most of the American guys like stayed in the same area. 1160 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,080 Speaker 5: So it was kind of like college and after after 1161 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,520 Speaker 5: practice we just go play. It was Toronto, yeah, and 1162 00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,799 Speaker 5: it was Toronto and it was Toronto, right, yeah, so 1163 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,080 Speaker 5: it was I had a wonderful experience. 1164 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:02,440 Speaker 1: Did you. 1165 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,759 Speaker 4: My brother said he loved it, but he's just like 1166 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,960 Speaker 4: as far as like the amenities and trying to keep 1167 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,839 Speaker 4: your body on top of it, it's tough. 1168 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,600 Speaker 1: It's even like the gear, you know, trying to get gloves. 1169 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,719 Speaker 4: It was tough, Like, god damn it, I used to 1170 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,239 Speaker 4: have to give this shit away and I can't even 1171 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,359 Speaker 4: getting us exactly when you initially stepped away from the game. 1172 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,839 Speaker 4: Was there you said you started traveling right away? 1173 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:24,319 Speaker 1: Was there ever? 1174 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:25,960 Speaker 4: Kind of like a gnull because I kind of feel 1175 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,040 Speaker 4: like when people step away from something they've been accustomed 1176 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:29,719 Speaker 4: to their whole life, there's kind of a little did 1177 00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,640 Speaker 4: you ever hit the rut or you just kept mine? 1178 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,960 Speaker 5: I just saw I was going so hardcore just to 1179 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,399 Speaker 5: like because it was something that was building up. 1180 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 1: It wasn't like I was. 1181 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,440 Speaker 5: It was something that was building up, and I just 1182 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,759 Speaker 5: knew I needed to like sow my royal old so 1183 00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,440 Speaker 5: see see the world. So I was on it and 1184 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 5: that way I went on and I got to this 1185 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,680 Speaker 5: point where I was like, this is great, but for 1186 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,719 Speaker 5: my life to really take off, I need to go 1187 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,840 Speaker 5: back to the league and clear my name, not that, 1188 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 5: and so it kind of it led me back. But 1189 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 5: I came back and the biggest difference was before I 1190 00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,120 Speaker 5: was kind of in this no man's land of like 1191 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:02,799 Speaker 5: what do I have to do to like keep this? 1192 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,279 Speaker 5: And when I came back, it was more like what 1193 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:06,479 Speaker 5: can my career, what can. 1194 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,120 Speaker 1: The NFL do do for me? And so I was 1195 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:10,000 Speaker 1: just more intentional. 1196 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:12,319 Speaker 3: Did you get what you were looking for? 1197 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,600 Speaker 5: I got exactly where I cleared my name. I was 1198 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,640 Speaker 5: able to walk away and with the platform intact that 1199 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,200 Speaker 5: I now have access to. 1200 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,960 Speaker 4: So you recently launched Heisman, what are your hopes and 1201 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,000 Speaker 4: envisions in this cannabis space? With that, I mean really 1202 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:31,239 Speaker 4: a lot of this of just conversation, these conversations, you know, 1203 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,239 Speaker 4: because like I'm hardcore, and I'm saying like, because most 1204 00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,360 Speaker 4: people they say, you know, don't talk about using cannabis, 1205 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,000 Speaker 4: but then they don't have all their reasons, you know, 1206 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,480 Speaker 4: I'm heard or this or that, And I'm saying like, 1207 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,440 Speaker 4: more like this kind of conversation where people are talking about, 1208 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,240 Speaker 4: like did you take your medicine today? 1209 00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:51,840 Speaker 5: You know where it is people feel comfortable saying I 1210 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,520 Speaker 5: need this. I need because people say like I need 1211 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,520 Speaker 5: this for a lot of reasons. But when you're saying something, 1212 00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,680 Speaker 5: I need this because this makes me a better person, 1213 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:01,200 Speaker 5: I think, you know. 1214 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,279 Speaker 1: Change exactly. That's the biggest statement you can make. 1215 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, yeah, I mean I just think hearing 1216 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,160 Speaker 4: the why you know this is why they've never heard 1217 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,799 Speaker 4: athletes say why. It was always just a stigma. You're this, 1218 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,120 Speaker 4: you're that, you're, you're, you're you know, you're not focused. 1219 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,320 Speaker 4: But when you actually hear the reasons why, you can't 1220 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:16,880 Speaker 4: argue with it. 1221 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,279 Speaker 5: The crazy part, though, is like, is this is what 1222 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,799 Speaker 5: I noticed? Is I believe that too, So I thought 1223 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,719 Speaker 5: I was doing something wrong. So I took a step 1224 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,759 Speaker 5: back and I said, like, really, what is going on? 1225 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,880 Speaker 5: And I was like, and it might sound crazy, but 1226 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,839 Speaker 5: at that time, at least from my body's perspective, this 1227 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,600 Speaker 5: was better for me than football anything. 1228 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,120 Speaker 3: Like, yeah, talk to them real shit. 1229 00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,160 Speaker 4: I mean my I started smoking at fourteen, and I 1230 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,319 Speaker 4: didn't really know. Obviously I didn't need it for the 1231 00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,160 Speaker 4: paint at that time, but I had just had a 1232 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,040 Speaker 4: tough upbringing. And I remember the first thing you said 1233 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,719 Speaker 4: is it just calmed everything on the outside. And I 1234 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,040 Speaker 4: knew when I smoked it would take me there. So 1235 00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,840 Speaker 4: fast forward. You know, I'm forty two now, I've been smoking, 1236 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,000 Speaker 4: you know, for more than half my life. But we 1237 00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,200 Speaker 4: can always, we can explain until we're blue in the face. 1238 00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,400 Speaker 4: But I think the real breakthrough was when they were 1239 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,560 Speaker 4: started having medical research behind this. So now we're saying. 1240 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,880 Speaker 4: What we're saying is backed up by actual information, and 1241 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,040 Speaker 4: I think obviously that's why it's moving the needle now. 1242 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,600 Speaker 4: But it's we've been saying this, we just didn't have, 1243 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,280 Speaker 4: like you said, the terminology, I guess is what they needed. 1244 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,640 Speaker 5: And I think it's more more people that are successful 1245 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,680 Speaker 5: in life come out and tell their story. I think 1246 00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,640 Speaker 5: that's going to drive even more. It's going to change 1247 00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:23,600 Speaker 5: the research questions. 1248 00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, So speak to exactly. I mean, you 1249 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:31,000 Speaker 4: have it pretty narrow focused on different, you know, aspects 1250 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,799 Speaker 4: of the cannabis space. So speak to us about your 1251 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,640 Speaker 4: brand and the names of each and why you decided 1252 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:35,360 Speaker 4: to go this route. 1253 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,759 Speaker 5: Yeah, so like overall, you know, creating a brand. When 1254 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,799 Speaker 5: I got into the cannabis space, like I saw it's 1255 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,799 Speaker 5: like what people were calling a brand is you just 1256 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,520 Speaker 5: create some like fancy packaging and then you convince people that. 1257 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,000 Speaker 1: Yours is better than the next. And that's a brand. 1258 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,799 Speaker 5: And to me, I think I get it, and they're 1259 00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,480 Speaker 5: people doing a great job. But for me, if I'm 1260 00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:54,799 Speaker 5: going to do a brand, it's got to be like 1261 00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:56,719 Speaker 5: be part of it, has to be part of me 1262 00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,640 Speaker 5: that that I'm putting out there, and so I was 1263 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,520 Speaker 5: saying earlier about I had this experience of how cannabis 1264 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,520 Speaker 5: actually helped me be a better football player and a 1265 00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,040 Speaker 5: better person, and so helping people make these connections. And 1266 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,200 Speaker 5: one of the ways simple ways we did that is 1267 00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,560 Speaker 5: through are the naming convention of our flower and instead 1268 00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:18,120 Speaker 5: of the more conventional sativa indica hybrid, we call the 1269 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,880 Speaker 5: more sativa leaning strains pregame the hybrid's halftime, and then the 1270 00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,120 Speaker 5: indica is postgame, right, so. 1271 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:29,600 Speaker 4: It's you're a heavy indicas postgame pre game, Yeah, you 1272 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,480 Speaker 4: pre game it post game exactly. 1273 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,719 Speaker 5: And then and then we've been we've been having fun 1274 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,239 Speaker 5: with the different like strainings, really trying to connect the 1275 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,240 Speaker 5: genetics with our favorite athletes. 1276 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,319 Speaker 3: Oh that's dopeyh Yeah, I definitely want to check that out. 1277 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:42,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1278 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,160 Speaker 4: Traditionally someone who was kind of private, but you you 1279 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,120 Speaker 4: really started to open up more with two docs on 1280 00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,000 Speaker 4: a TV game show working on a biopic. 1281 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,839 Speaker 1: Who you want to play you? I feel like there's 1282 00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,359 Speaker 1: going to be some unknown person that. 1283 00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,160 Speaker 4: If there was, if there was a famous person, though 1284 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,239 Speaker 4: they're the famous person to play you. 1285 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,279 Speaker 1: But see, it's tough because we have to go to 1286 00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:03,480 Speaker 1: that age, that age. 1287 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,960 Speaker 5: Range, and I like, I don't really know that many 1288 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:07,880 Speaker 5: actors in that age range. 1289 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,000 Speaker 3: So you're gonna put someone on the map. 1290 00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,719 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put somebody on somebody's gonna just blow us 1291 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:13,680 Speaker 1: away and there. Yeah. 1292 00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,359 Speaker 4: Are you obviously more comfortable in the public eye now 1293 00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,439 Speaker 4: and and and just kind of freely out here kind 1294 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,080 Speaker 4: of being yourself or is it still kind of you 1295 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:25,440 Speaker 4: just still kind of hold back a little bit. 1296 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm out there now. I like got to 1297 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,799 Speaker 1: the point where I really fuck it. Yeah, it's me. Yeah, 1298 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,120 Speaker 1: take it, take it, leave it. 1299 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,360 Speaker 5: At a certain point in life, like you realize that 1300 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,640 Speaker 5: young people need guidance and if we're trying to pretend 1301 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,160 Speaker 5: to be something else, that's that's not a good that's 1302 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:42,399 Speaker 5: not a good example. 1303 00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,120 Speaker 2: That's and that's a shitty way to live. I tell you, 1304 00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,279 Speaker 2: be you the best you can be. Is you so 1305 00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,480 Speaker 2: hard of being somebody else? Every hardest thing to do? 1306 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,200 Speaker 2: Just be yourself. Everyone else has already And and the 1307 00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,640 Speaker 2: people that supposed to be in your life and that's 1308 00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,480 Speaker 2: supposed to support you and love you, they gonna be 1309 00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:57,799 Speaker 2: there regardless of who you are. 1310 00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:58,760 Speaker 1: Just be yourself. 1311 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,240 Speaker 5: I had that same away and when I left, everybody 1312 00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,680 Speaker 5: thought I was crazy, But my experience was this is 1313 00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,000 Speaker 5: the happiest I ever been. And so I was like, 1314 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:07,920 Speaker 5: people in my life that can that are happy that 1315 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:08,520 Speaker 5: I'm happy? 1316 00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,799 Speaker 1: Those are my people. People that have a problem with that. 1317 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:16,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, writing's on the wall. Yeah, well man, we appreciate 1318 00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,359 Speaker 4: your time. We're gonna come down to Quick Hitters band. 1319 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,120 Speaker 4: First thing across your mind, let us know who are 1320 00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:22,880 Speaker 4: some of the people in the cannabis space. 1321 00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:24,680 Speaker 3: Uh you look up to. 1322 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,399 Speaker 1: H right now. The first person that comes to mind 1323 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:29,759 Speaker 1: is Chris Ball. 1324 00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:31,560 Speaker 3: Okay, Ball Family Farms. 1325 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:32,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's there. 1326 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:33,080 Speaker 3: That's as folks. 1327 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean just like heart and just like what 1328 00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,160 Speaker 5: he's what the opportunity has and what he's doing with it. 1329 00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,480 Speaker 5: You know, he talks about cultivating the culture. And I 1330 00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,440 Speaker 5: think sometimes when I when I think about the industry, 1331 00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,920 Speaker 5: it's like it makes me sad sometimes because it's becomes 1332 00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,880 Speaker 5: just about like starting to become just about the money. 1333 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,080 Speaker 5: And what I love about what Chris is doing, it's 1334 00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:54,040 Speaker 5: really about the plant. 1335 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,120 Speaker 4: We did a collabor with him, shut out the Ball 1336 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,920 Speaker 4: family and that flower right, Yeah, something Now he's got 1337 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:01,640 Speaker 4: some shit over there. 1338 00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the longest time you spent meditating. 1339 00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,279 Speaker 5: Like in one city for four hours probably, wow, But 1340 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,879 Speaker 5: that's not a lot, Like, that's not that's I got. 1341 00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,280 Speaker 1: I got probably close to thirty minutes. 1342 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,399 Speaker 2: But you fall asleep, nah, But you know when I pray, 1343 00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:17,759 Speaker 2: you know, after I pray. 1344 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this was like time was up in the 1345 00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,400 Speaker 1: MLA is like just up there to meditate. That was 1346 00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:24,959 Speaker 1: that's a long time. 1347 00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,040 Speaker 4: So when you say that's when you say it's not 1348 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:28,759 Speaker 4: a long time. What is a long time to someone 1349 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,359 Speaker 4: who is actually in the space and really well to me. 1350 00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,720 Speaker 5: People like, honestly, a good meditation is five minutes. Okay, 1351 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,480 Speaker 5: it's just about centering yourself and then because if someone 1352 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,840 Speaker 5: needs to go out in the day, five minutes you're centered. 1353 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,279 Speaker 5: But if you know, I was on retreat, I was 1354 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:46,960 Speaker 5: like out for a couple of months, and I was 1355 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,120 Speaker 5: trying to like go deeper into myself, and so it's 1356 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,520 Speaker 5: like you sit for five minutes and things like settle 1357 00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,160 Speaker 5: down to a certain level. But as you sit there, 1358 00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,640 Speaker 5: like more stuff comes to the surface, you know, and 1359 00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,160 Speaker 5: then if you can sit there, then that settles and 1360 00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,719 Speaker 5: then just the more time it just gives you ability 1361 00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:03,360 Speaker 5: to just go. 1362 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,640 Speaker 4: So what do you I'm someone that's kind of wanted 1363 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,839 Speaker 4: to get what are you actually focusing on? 1364 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:08,440 Speaker 1: Why you try? 1365 00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,200 Speaker 4: So if you say a five power five minute meditation, 1366 00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,200 Speaker 4: so your things are coming to your mind, what do 1367 00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,040 Speaker 4: you do to kind So. 1368 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,400 Speaker 5: The simplest technique, and really what meditation is about is 1369 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,600 Speaker 5: it doesn't really matter what the point of focus is. 1370 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,000 Speaker 5: So when people when we're playing our sport or we're 1371 00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,520 Speaker 5: doing our thing and we're in a zone, that's a 1372 00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,520 Speaker 5: meditation because meditation just means the nature of our mind. 1373 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,920 Speaker 5: It just goes in all these different directions all the time, 1374 00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,680 Speaker 5: and meditation is just bringing the bringing it about. 1375 00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:34,840 Speaker 1: It doesn't even matter what the point is. 1376 00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,040 Speaker 5: Some people use a mantrass, some people use their heart 1377 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,040 Speaker 5: or their their head, but it's just having it could 1378 00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,800 Speaker 5: be a thought and idea a person. It's just having 1379 00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,560 Speaker 5: one thing that you can bring the mind back to. 1380 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,759 Speaker 5: I mean this is why sports, I think, especially at 1381 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,360 Speaker 5: our level, it's so beneficial because it forces you to 1382 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,520 Speaker 5: learn to meditate. Right, your mind wants to go, but 1383 00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,239 Speaker 5: you got a job to do. So the mind is 1384 00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,160 Speaker 5: trained to be focused on one So for us, like 1385 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,479 Speaker 5: we know how to meditate, you. 1386 00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,120 Speaker 1: Know, we just got to do something that has. 1387 00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:08,080 Speaker 5: Our attention and the mind foot will focus. But that's 1388 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,520 Speaker 5: all meditation is just training the mind when it goes here, 1389 00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,719 Speaker 5: to bring it back here. And then once it like 1390 00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,080 Speaker 5: it gets trained and stops wandering, it can sit in 1391 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,360 Speaker 5: one place and then it becomes more profound. 1392 00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:18,760 Speaker 1: You notice more things. 1393 00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,280 Speaker 3: Are there any other things. 1394 00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:27,719 Speaker 4: Psilocybin, mushrooms, anything in that psychedelic realm, so to. 1395 00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:29,240 Speaker 3: Speak, that you feel that can help people. 1396 00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,640 Speaker 5: I think all of the psychedelics because and I consider 1397 00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,680 Speaker 5: cannabis is a psychedelic. It's just mild, something you can 1398 00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,680 Speaker 5: do more on a daily basis. I think a lot 1399 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,839 Speaker 5: of the other psychedelics they're more like when you got 1400 00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,440 Speaker 5: to flush your system out, you know. 1401 00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,920 Speaker 1: But I think that cannabis is more like the daily maintenance. 1402 00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,279 Speaker 5: And even the worst psychedelic it means soul revealing, right, 1403 00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,600 Speaker 5: revealing ourselves to ourselves or another word that uses entheagen 1404 00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:54,760 Speaker 5: is the god within. 1405 00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:56,200 Speaker 1: So I think all of these. 1406 00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,800 Speaker 5: Substances it's the same thing as meditation. It's just getting 1407 00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,240 Speaker 5: your mind off the bullshit and just focusing on something 1408 00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:03,560 Speaker 5: that's like more real. 1409 00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:09,279 Speaker 1: Five dinner guests dead or alive, so definitely Bob, Yes, sir, 1410 00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,400 Speaker 1: definitely pop m hm. 1411 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:20,000 Speaker 5: And then I'm like Jesus Mohammad and uh, roomy, who's 1412 00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:20,640 Speaker 5: that he's? 1413 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:20,840 Speaker 3: Uh? 1414 00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:27,120 Speaker 1: He was a mystic poet pop talk about him? Yeah yeah, ok, yeah, okay, 1415 00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,200 Speaker 1: here's a poet? Is a room m to me? Something 1416 00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:29,920 Speaker 1: like that? Yeah? Yeah. 1417 00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,720 Speaker 2: What artists do you currently have on rotation? And what 1418 00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,440 Speaker 2: genre music you best? The best describes your running style? 1419 00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:36,240 Speaker 2: Two questions. 1420 00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,520 Speaker 5: So the what I'm listening to right now is on repeat, 1421 00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,840 Speaker 5: I just have It's Damian Marley. I listened to all 1422 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,360 Speaker 5: of Marley's a lot, but right now. 1423 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,680 Speaker 1: I've just been on Damien for for a minute. Jam rock. 1424 00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:49,080 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. 1425 00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,240 Speaker 3: And your running style, what kind of music is that? 1426 00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,160 Speaker 1: A good one? I think? Uh? 1427 00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,240 Speaker 5: Like I came up in nineties West Coast hip hop. 1428 00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,080 Speaker 5: It's like smooth and then it hits it. 1429 00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:09,960 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, we all know that. Yeah. Yeah. 1430 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,080 Speaker 4: What's the first thing you do when you wake up 1431 00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:13,600 Speaker 4: and the last thing you do before. 1432 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,280 Speaker 1: You go to sleep? The first thing I do when 1433 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:20,320 Speaker 1: I wake up is I roll up, and then I pray, 1434 00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:21,760 Speaker 1: and then you smoke. 1435 00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,000 Speaker 3: After you pray, I smoke after that. 1436 00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,400 Speaker 5: I noticed I noticed this morning I rolled up. I 1437 00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,240 Speaker 5: rolled up first, and then I went upstairs. Some mornings 1438 00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,800 Speaker 5: I pray first, but this morning I rolled up, then 1439 00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,360 Speaker 5: I pray, then I smoke, and then I read, meditate, 1440 00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:36,920 Speaker 5: and before I go to bed, I'm always reading. 1441 00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,160 Speaker 1: I read and smoke until I fall asleep. See. 1442 00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:44,560 Speaker 2: I pray, meditate, smoke every morning. Yeah, if you could 1443 00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,200 Speaker 2: see one person on our show, who would it be? 1444 00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,440 Speaker 2: But before you answer that, you have to help us 1445 00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,760 Speaker 2: get your answer on the show. All right, Janeico, Oh 1446 00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,720 Speaker 2: that's dope. And she smokes heavy too. Yeah yeah, actually yes, 1447 00:58:59,000 --> 00:58:59,600 Speaker 2: do you know her? 1448 00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:00,400 Speaker 1: I don't. 1449 00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,320 Speaker 4: And we're gonna put a college big y'all both, we 1450 00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:06,040 Speaker 4: need both of y'all. 1451 00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,200 Speaker 3: Both y'all big shop. There's real for both, y'all. 1452 00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,400 Speaker 4: Well, man, that's a wrap, Ricky Man, we appreciate your time. 1453 00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:14,800 Speaker 4: I'm glad we got a chance to talk to you. 1454 00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:14,960 Speaker 1: Man. 1455 00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:16,600 Speaker 4: I've been a big fan of yours for a long time. 1456 00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,960 Speaker 4: Obviously I'm a huge football fan. But again that you 1457 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,760 Speaker 4: were before your time in the cannabis space, and uh, 1458 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,240 Speaker 4: you know, we're someone like myself and my brother Al Harrington. 1459 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,600 Speaker 4: We really kind of took that Jackson and really kind 1460 00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,320 Speaker 4: of continue to push the narrative man, but I feel 1461 00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:31,200 Speaker 4: like it really started with you. 1462 00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:32,439 Speaker 1: Man. I appreciate what you guys. 1463 00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, we need it, definitely. 1464 00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,040 Speaker 1: I'm a text boy, so I'm a different type of fan. Man. 1465 00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,120 Speaker 4: That's a rap with our man, Ricky Williams. See y'all 1466 00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:40,520 Speaker 4: next week. 1467 00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:40,960 Speaker 1: Peace,