1 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: The show goes on. This is the official show on 2 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: the fish on First podcast channel with me Eli Susman, 3 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: the managing editor of Fish Stripes, where we cover your 4 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: Miami Marlins every day in our own way. Man, Sunday 5 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: has been quite a day. I'm recording this late on 6 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: Sunday after the Marlins just get through a fourteen ending 7 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: marathon win over the Cubs to salvage something from that 8 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: series to avoid a winless week, stay right in striking 9 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: distance of both five hundred and a wildcard spot. Man. 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I think 35 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: there's more minuses than plus with this Marlins team and 36 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: the biggest of the bunch, the subject of this show 37 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: is going to be Gene Sigura, the most the biggest 38 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 1: free agent expenditure of the Marlins this past offseason. His 39 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: Marlins tenure has not gone off to the start that 40 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: anybody would have envisioned or even feared in a worst 41 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: case scenario with Segura. Sunday's game, a pretty typical game 42 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: for Gene, going one for five with a well placed 43 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: single that made it through the infield, then a legitimately 44 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: well hit line drive that was caught. Striking out once 45 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: once five at bats. That's pretty typical for Sigura this 46 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 1: year and in his entire career. Yeah, it was a 47 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: microcosm what to expect from Sigura. He came up in 48 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: a couple of big spots in extra innings and did not 49 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: produce in those actual high leverage situations for him. As 50 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: we'll get into shortly, by a lot of measures, Segur 51 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: has been the worst player in baseball, certainly the worst 52 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: one that is getting regular at bats. And that's kind 53 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: of what the Marlins signed up for with Sigar, somebody 54 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: that could eat at bats and give them a certain 55 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: level of production. Whatever a level of production they had 56 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: in mind, he is not reaching it at this point. 57 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: This is a team that is struggling a lot offensively, 58 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 1: one of the very worst in baseball, you could say, 59 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: only marginally better than they were last year. It's not 60 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: all Cigar's faults, it's not even mostly his fault. There 61 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: are you can point figure in a lot of different 62 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: directions with this team. Sigur is one that really sticks 63 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: out to me though, given the expectations that maybe I 64 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: personally had for him this season and how far removed 65 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: he is from those expectations through the first five and 66 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: a half weeks of this regular season. So that's going 67 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: to be the focus of this episode, Jean Sigura, exactly 68 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: why the Marlins brought him in the first place, what 69 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: it is that is holding down his production, how gnarly 70 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: the numbers are to this point in the season, and 71 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: how the Marlins can kind of course correct from this 72 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: point forward to salvage something from his contract, which is 73 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: quickly looking like a bit of a sunk cost. Yeah, 74 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: there's lots of fact with this particular player. I'm sure 75 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: I'm not the only one that's been thinking about his struggles, 76 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: and I hope I can shed some light on exactly 77 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: what's going on with Sigura. So right on the other 78 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: side of this break, we're gonna get into all things 79 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: gene here on the official show Stick with me now 80 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: with Sigura. It should be noted also that on Sunday, 81 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: the one hit that he did get was the fifteenth 82 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: hundredth hit of his career. One thousand, five hundred careers 83 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: halfway to three grand For Segura, that is not a 84 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: like milestone to scoff At. There are I think only 85 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: a number of in the hundreds, the number of hundreds 86 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: of players in major league history that have even reached 87 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: fifteen hundred in a career. Great hit run right there, 88 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: as day La Cruz will get all the way to 89 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: third on the base hit from Segura. It takes a 90 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: lot of years, a lot of consistency, a lot of durability, 91 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: and ultimately a lot of talent to reach fifteen hundred hits. 92 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: That's why Segura commended pretty sizable contracts by mardelon standards 93 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: this past offseason two years and seventeen million dollars. He's 94 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: somebody that had a pretty substantial track record as a 95 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: major leaguer. A consistency is the key for Segura. Of 96 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,799 Speaker 1: high floor is a phrase that you think would apply 97 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: to him, because he there's he's a certain if nothing else, 98 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: what you could get from Segura year in year out, 99 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: aside from game is played, is you'd get a lot 100 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: of singles. At the very least, he's gonna get singles. 101 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: And that's gonna set a pretty high floor for how 102 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: often he gets on base. He's somebody still enough athleticism 103 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: in the tank to add positive value as a base runner. 104 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: And if you go to even Kim Eng's specific quotes 105 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: on the Segura signing, she also valued his defensive versatility. 106 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: She didn't mention his leadership ability. I think that was 107 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: implied in skipping ahead a little bit. That's one thing 108 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: that Skip Schumacher and some Marlins players have gone out 109 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: of their way to praise Sigura's leadership ability, his intangibles 110 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: being a plus. In addition to all that, the Marlins 111 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: very familiar with him, as Kim mentioned, because he was 112 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: playing in the National League East the previous four years 113 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: with the Phillies. I'll be bringing that up shortly as 114 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: a good basis for comparison, saying what he did the 115 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: previous few years and the stark contrast between what he's 116 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: doing now. But Kim mentioned that he was on their 117 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: radar for a while. You remember he signed ultimately right 118 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: around the turn of the new year, in very late December, 119 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: people were getting antsy that the Marlins weren't doing anything 120 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: to upgrade their offense. The reaction to Segura was relatively positive, 121 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: although somewhat unexpected, just because of the defensive fit. He 122 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: had played second base exclusively the previous couple of years, 123 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: it was a long time removed from playing shortstop, and 124 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: he'd only played third base for a brief bit of 125 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: that COVID twenty twenty season. It didn't seem like an 126 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: apparent fit on a team that, if nothing else, was 127 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: deeper at second base than any other position. But to me, 128 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if I thought this at the time. 129 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: Certainly in hindsight it's become clear they signed him. One 130 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: reason why, you'd have to point to the underwhelming taste 131 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: that they got of Jordan Groshans. The trades for Jordan 132 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: Grossenans at the previous trade deadline hit pretty well at 133 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: Triple A. They called him up at the big leagues, 134 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: it was very mediocre in that sample. They acquired Grossians 135 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: as somebody with good batsball skills, who they thought could 136 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: surprise you with power from time to time, who could 137 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: play multiple infield positions, who could help them against left 138 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: handed pitching. So visit that more closely, very soon with Sigura, 139 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: the Marlins as a team in twenty twenty were one 140 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: of the worst teams at hitting lefties in all of 141 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: baseball when they acquired Grotians, I think at the very least, 142 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: even if he didn't reach his ceiling as an everyday player, 143 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: they thought maybe he'd be a guy that could do 144 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,559 Speaker 1: damage when he has the platoon advantage. For a team 145 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: that was had a sub six hundred ops as a 146 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: team over an entire season against lefties, that was a 147 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: big issue for them the previous year, and with Sagura 148 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: that was a very clear strength of his year in 149 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: year out. I could just skip ahead to that right now. 150 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: With Sigura's stats, his year by year splits against left 151 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: handed pitching looking narrowing our focus he's been in the 152 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: big league since twenty twelve, but narrowing it just to 153 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. Every single year twenty seventeen to twenty twenty 154 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: two he had three hundred to most of those years 155 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: he opsd over eight hundred every single year against lefties. 156 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: So that was even if you didn't know exactly where 157 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: he was going to play on this team, that represented 158 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: a very clear improvement in hindsight. Four team that was 159 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: trying to just raise the floor of their offense and 160 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: that is why, uh, his performance has been so disappointing 161 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: the fact that he has been just a sub replacement 162 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: level player. Forget somebody that is an improvement over what 163 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: they had. He has been just the worst. There's no 164 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: other way to particularly sugarcoat it. Let me get the 165 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: updated slash line including Sunday's game for Jeene Sigura. Yeah, 166 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 1: there it is, slashing one ninety nine two thirty nine 167 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: with a slugging percentage of two eighteen over the course 168 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: of one hundred and eighteen played appearances including this game. 169 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: He's played thirty two games for the Marlins this season, 170 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: so that's like a fifth of an entire season as 171 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: an everyday player, and he has a witted runs created 172 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: plus that's a stat we use all the time on 173 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: here of twenty seven. One hundred represents the league average. 174 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: He's at twenty seven, and he has floated around that 175 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: number for a long time. A player for his entire 176 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: career overall entering this year, was just around one hundred, 177 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: almost an exact league average hitter who is far better 178 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: than league average against lefties, you know, about twenty percent 179 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: better year in year out, year in year out. When 180 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: he had the platoon advantage, and he has fallen off 181 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: a cliff. To put it mildly, Sigura in terms of 182 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: the catch all stat wins above replacement, he's at negative one, 183 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: negative one win above replacement through a tiny sliver of 184 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: a season. It's hard to express how bad that is. 185 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: If you do that over the course of an entire season, 186 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: you know things have gone poorly. That's Jacob Stallings, for example. 187 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: Last year he was just a shade under negative one 188 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: wins above replacement over the course of an entire season. 189 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: To accrue that much negative value in barely a fifth 190 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: of a season is just jarring, and it has to 191 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: be concerning by both fangrafts and baseball preference. He is 192 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: He's had the lowest war out of any position player 193 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: in all of baseball to this point in the season 194 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: as accumulation of the very poor hitting and also the 195 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: lack of base running value and also being a disappointment 196 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: on defense. Yeah, with Sigura, they when they brought him in, 197 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: and ultimately after they signed a Ri acquired a Rise 198 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: as well and moved Jass to center field. Sogura was 199 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: the everyday third basement for this team entering the season. 200 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: He's played exclusively third base during the twenty twenty three seasons, 201 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: and some numbers are more harsh on others in terms 202 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: of his performance, but I think they all agree that 203 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: he's been a negative. He has hurt them compared to 204 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: even an average player at third base, despite having he 205 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: seems to have the arm strength to get it done 206 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: as well as the just the a little bit of 207 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: experience there as well. It was hard to imagine him 208 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: like totally flopping at it, but you can see even 209 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: in Sunday's game, like he came so close to committing 210 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: a critical error in extra endings, bobbling a ball that 211 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: was directly Adam, ultimately making the force out just in 212 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: the nick of time to avoid a potential disaster. There's 213 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: a lot of times like that where he's so close 214 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,479 Speaker 1: to making mistake, as well as times very like the 215 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: mistake is obvious. There was a streak where I believe 216 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: in a six game span he committed four errors. He 217 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: has already committed five, So there have been the obvious 218 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: errors and then there have been just those other small 219 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 1: ones as well. I'm gonna circle back to that in 220 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: a minute. On his defense, I think we should spend 221 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: more time on his offense. As I go through some 222 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: rolling charts that I have from a fan grafts great 223 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: tool that I use their rolling chart over a thirty 224 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: game sample. I took that considering that his season to 225 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: this point and during Sunday was what thirty one games. Yeah, 226 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: so it's almost a perfect encapsulation of how this early 227 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: struggles compared to similar stretches that he's had. I went 228 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: over the previous four years throughout his Phillies careers that 229 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: give us a really big sample at a stage of 230 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: his career where I think physically he's been about the 231 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: same he said that same really unique build. I try 232 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: not to taunt him too much because physically I'm built 233 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: a little bit like Sigura as well, with a very 234 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: thick lower half, especially the hind side of Segura. Despite that, 235 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: you know, he's somebody that has run pretty well in 236 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: the past, and it hasn't stopped them from being a 237 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: solid defender, and it hasn't stopped them from being a 238 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: solid hitter. So who am I to judge him too much? 239 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: This is thirty game rolling weighted runs created plus for 240 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: Sigura dating back to twenty nineteen, and if you're watching 241 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: on you to this stretch in twenty twenty three to 242 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: start off has been far and away the worst. There 243 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: have been other stretches when you combine twenty nineteen going 244 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 1: to twenty twenty and also at the start of twenty 245 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: twenty two, there were moments where he dipped to like 246 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: a fifty ish WRC plus over a similar sample, and 247 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: this year he's barely half of that number. That he 248 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: just has not had a stretch like this where he's 249 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: had such bad offensive production WRC plus factoring in both 250 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: the slugging aspect and the on base aspect of Sigura 251 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: in fact, that he just hasn't been doing either of 252 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: those well whatsoever to this point in the season. So 253 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: this is why I'm focusing on this in the first place. 254 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: This is not just an ordinary slump. This is not 255 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: just picking on a relatively high paid player. This is 256 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: pointing to somebody that is going through a very unusual, 257 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: dramatic slump and the concerns about whether or not what 258 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: this means for him moving forward, because he has not 259 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: had anything like this over the previous half decade. With Segura, 260 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: sticking on this, what you noticed just from watching him 261 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: What immediately jumps out is how often he hits grounders. 262 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: So many grounders. Everything is on the ground with Jeane 263 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: Sigura and looking at this rolling chart. So what you 264 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: wonder is maybe there was a warning sign here throughout 265 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: the middle of twenty twenty, twenty twenty two, I should 266 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: say this past season, when you bridge together, especially right 267 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: after he came back from a mid season finger injury, 268 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: the ground ball rate was actually a little bit higher 269 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: for Segura in I think that's July and August, August 270 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: and September more so of twenty twenty two than it 271 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: is right now. Now at the moment, he is jocking 272 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: for the very highest ground ball rate in all of baseball. 273 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: Entering let's see what it was. Entering Sunday's game. He 274 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: had a ground ball rate, according to fanss of sixty 275 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: two point one percent. That was the highest number for 276 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: a season that he's had ever excluding his very brief 277 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: twenty twelve cup of coffee. He's always been a high 278 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: ground ball hitter every season except for twenty twenty. Every 279 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: other year he's had a ground ball rate well over 280 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: fifty percent, and the league average is generally in the 281 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: low forties. You had come to expect ground balls from Sigura, 282 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: you came to expect double plays. Those double plays in particular, 283 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: are what's driving you crazy. Right, He is grinded into 284 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: an MLB leading nine double plays this point this season. 285 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: Bouncer up the middle, Lindor gets to it, the glove, 286 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: flip tike your may and a pretty double play turned 287 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: by the Mets. That came with That came with the purchase. 288 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: That is something that Marlin signed up for, because last 289 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: year he grinded into sixteen and that's despite missing quite 290 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: a bit of time due to the finger injury. The 291 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: year before, he grounded into sixteen during the COVID season 292 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: rounded into six, which is a lot for the partial 293 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: season almost every single year Sigura. That is part of 294 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: the risk of him as part of the downside, one 295 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 1: of the limitations of his game, So that aspect isn't 296 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: really totally surprising, but still it's relatively high even by 297 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: his standards. He's grounding into these plays is also you 298 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: would think that that would yield better results now that 299 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: we're playing in a world without defensive shifting in the infield. 300 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: The thing with Segura is that he wasn't really getting 301 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: shifted much at all, even before even when it was allowed, 302 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: because of his ability to spray balls to all fields, 303 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: which means that for him, he's not somebody that was 304 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: really there, just wasn't really much of an effect by 305 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: that particular rule change considering what he's used to, but 306 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: the fact that he's putting so many things on the 307 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: ground and that he's not really offsetting it with any slugging. 308 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: He has three doubles to this point, no triples, no 309 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: home run, so it's not offsetting all those ground balls, 310 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: and he is he has batting average on balls in 311 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: play even without defensive shifting. It is a two thirty 312 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: babbit for a player that for most of his career 313 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: has been consistently higher than league average. In terms of babbit, 314 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: he's a three point fifteen career babbitb League average is 315 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: a little under three hundred, and this year he is 316 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: two thirty. I think including today's game, it's only a 317 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: tick higher than that. Now it went up to two 318 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 1: thirty one including Sunday's game. So switching over to I'll 319 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 1: briefly put up one more rolling graft that is on 320 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: his chase rate. So with Segura, what is it that's 321 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: contributing to this bad quality of contact that he's making. 322 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: I think part of it is making bad swing decisions. 323 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: This thirty game rolling average is about as bad as 324 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: it ever has been in terms of the percentage of 325 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: pitches outside the zone that's a gir swings. He's swinging 326 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: a close to fifty percent according to fangraft so far 327 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: this year. He had a stretch like that bridging right 328 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: at the end of twenty nineteen, including the first two 329 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: games of twenty twenty. Outside of that, yeah, it's really 330 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: never been anything quite this bad from him. In fact, 331 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: there was that stretch if you go back to the 332 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: most recent season twenty twenty two, Yeah, there was a 333 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: period near the end of the year where he was 334 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 1: chasing substantially less than normal. So this isn't really related 335 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: to last year. This is this is something new and 336 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: obviously undesirable from Sigura. He's chasing. In particular, when I 337 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: pulled up some of his zone data from a stack 338 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: cast pitches by his zone swings by zone, he is 339 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: swinging at way too many pitches below the knees that 340 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: aren't even strikes, and that's contributing to as you would 341 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: suspect a lot more ground balls, even though he's making 342 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: on in terms of the average exit velocity. Actually, I 343 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: can pull that up right now from our Baseball Savant sliders. 344 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: Everybody loves these. Comparing twenty twenty three rate to twenty 345 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: twenty two with Sagura in terms of average exit velocity, 346 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: is he's up substantially from where he was last season. 347 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: That's twenty twenty two on top, twenty twenty three on bottom. 348 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: Entering Sunday, he was in the fortieth percent tile and 349 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: average exit velo so a low average, but for a 350 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: guy that was in the twenty fourth percentile the previous year, 351 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: there's just yeah, there is a lot of this is 352 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: he was not a stat cast darling to begin with. 353 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: That's not what the Marlins signed up for. There were 354 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: those limitations in both plate discipline, a lack of barrel 355 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: rate and therefore the lack of home run expectations in him, 356 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: and his chase rate was very high this year. The 357 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: problem is that his weaknesses have become even weaker. They've 358 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: become even more extreme. The walk rate is down, the 359 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: chase rate, as I mentioned, is as high and therefore 360 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: as bad as it ever has been only in the 361 00:20:54,760 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: second percent tile among qualified major leaguers, and he's yeah 362 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: barreling balls even more frequently. So even though he's hitting 363 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 1: the ball harder on average, because so much of it 364 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 1: is on the ground, it's made defenses are being able 365 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: to defend him. At least in this small sample, they've 366 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 1: had a lot of success positioning people in the right 367 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 1: way to get out. He's still making a lot of contact. 368 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: When we talk about positives he that's something you can 369 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: rely on with him is that he's always going to 370 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 1: put balls in play, and usually that's a good thing 371 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: or neutral thing. In the work cases where he ground 372 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: into double plays, that's the worst thing he can do, 373 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: and unfortunately he's doing that more than any other hitter 374 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: in baseball. As a reference, with his defense, that's the 375 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: other that's the clearest drop off from twenty to twenty 376 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: two where he's losing the most value, at least in 377 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: terms of out above average. He was a very good 378 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: defensive second basement by that metric last year, and this 379 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: year he's been awful defensively at third base. Looking at 380 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: some of those defensive plays, I cued up some of 381 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: the videos and I think you could point to a 382 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 1: couple the errors charge to him being ones where Garrett 383 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 1: Cooper at first base wasn't necessarily doing his job and 384 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: properly receiving those balls. There were a couple off target 385 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: throws that weren't really that we're catchable in my opinion, 386 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: and probably could have been. That the error itself might 387 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: be a little harsh the fact that it goes on 388 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: only Segura in those instances. However, there are several other examples, 389 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: even those that weren't charged as clear errors, when his 390 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: hands have simply betrayed him, where he just is not 391 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: exchanging the ball as quickly as he should be, or 392 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 1: perhaps in a rush to exchange the ball from glove 393 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: to hands. That is what's leading to just mistakes that 394 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: are costing the team outs one way or the other. 395 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: The strength of his throwing arm is still really good, 396 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: as the statcast slider's throw show, but it's just the 397 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: accuracy of the arm both missing high at times and 398 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 1: sometimes just missing laterally one way or another when he 399 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: throws off balance that really compromises the quality of his throws. 400 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 1: I can think of just one exception where he made 401 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 1: a really good off balance throw, but otherwise you can 402 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: see the clear difference that he's just there's a limited 403 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: portfolio of plays that you really trust Sigura to make 404 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: at third base, and yet they've been sticking with him 405 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: practically every single day at that particular spot, and he 406 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: has not played another position yet to this point. What 407 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: else do I want to highlight here with Sigura. Well, 408 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: looking over some video of him at the plates, there 409 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: were a few things that kind of caught my attention. 410 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,719 Speaker 1: One was that I felt like the timing of his 411 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: leg lift has been inconsistent. He's somebody thats very It's 412 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: barely a leg lift at all. It's just like a 413 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: exaggerated toe tap timing mechanism. And I've seen some inconsistencies 414 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: with him this year where he does generally seem to 415 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 1: be later with that toe tap than he was even 416 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: last year, or later than he needs to be, or 417 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: I should say earlier. You need a mend that I've 418 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: actually seen to be early with this toe tap in 419 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: a way that I feel maybe contributing to why he's 420 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: getting out in front of these balls, why he is 421 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: rolling over a lot and grinding into double plays. Actually, here, 422 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: before we go into the photo comparison, this is the 423 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: unfortunately highlight reel of a lot of the double plays 424 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: that he's grinded into this season, not all of them 425 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: right here, but just strength together the majority of them. 426 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: Just looking for any potential patterns here and there really 427 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: isn't one like you see. He's done this on some fastballs. 428 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: He has done it on breaking balls. He's done on 429 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: pitches low and away. He's done on pitches inside, just 430 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: like that one against Marcus Strowman. He's done it on 431 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: pitches and the strike zone. He's done pitches outside the 432 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 1: strike zone. So there's no common thread to the particular 433 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: type of pitches that's getting in trouble. I'd say, more 434 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: so than anything else, it is this year that he's 435 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: chasing pitches low in the zone and that's leading him 436 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: to pound them directly into the grounds. That being said, 437 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 1: going back to his setup and why it's different, aside 438 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: from the timing of his leg lift, it's also just 439 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: the setup in general that last year, who's getting more 440 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: into his legs where that left leg, this front leg 441 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: is getting extended a little more closer to the grounds. 442 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: For somebody that has a very strong base, you can 443 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: understand why he would do that and this year he's 444 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: been more upright at the plate. It's not a dramatic difference, 445 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: but the side by side I think makes it relatively 446 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: clear that this year is more upright than he was 447 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: last year. And so if you're holding, if the bat 448 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: is generally in a higher position, you're swinging down on 449 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: the ball anyway, but in this case is swinging down 450 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: at a sharper angle at the ball because of the 451 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: way that he's setting up right now, not getting into 452 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: his legs enough so in order to hit line drives 453 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: and long fly balls like you need to get your 454 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: entire posture closer to the grounds. Otherwise I think you 455 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: get the situation that he's in right now where because 456 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: that's I don't think the setup is doing him any favors, 457 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: And it's a little hard to understand why he would 458 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: go away from what he was doing last year in 459 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: that regard. It's a subtle difference. I think it is 460 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: hurting him though, with this difference in his setup for 461 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: a guy that is just consistently putting everything everything on 462 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: the ground right here. So Jean Segura, Yeah, what are 463 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: the Marlins going to do with Jean Segura? The sub 464 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: replacement level hitter, the everyday third baseman. Boo's not just 465 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: he's not getting the job done. Who still has another 466 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: guaranteed year of his contract beyond this year, then he 467 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: has that club option in addition to it for twenty 468 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: twenty five. So the good news, and this was the 469 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: subject of the last week's show, is that return of 470 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: Joey Wendall. It came a little bit later than I 471 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 1: was expected. That made me look kind of silly that 472 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: it was such a big, deliberate rehab assignment. He finally 473 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 1: returned on Sunday, immediately made his presence felt coming off 474 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: the bench. And Wendell, as you know, he placed third base, 475 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: played second base. But this year the answer they're focusing 476 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: on shortstop. Since he's been out. John Birdie's done a 477 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: passable job and Garrett Hampson has turned into interesting option 478 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: at shorts. I've probably given them a little bit more 479 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: than they were expecting. For the time being, all of 480 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: them are still on the active roster. They squeezed Exavier 481 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 1: Edwards off in order to bring Wendell back. There are 482 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: some people I know that are already clamoring for the 483 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: Marlins to cut their losses with Sigura after barely one month. 484 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: It's been such a terrible month, but just tiny sample, 485 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: they're already ready to cut their losses as a player 486 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: that is over the hill all of a sudden, that 487 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: maybe was showing some science last year of being over 488 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: the hill, and somebody that is just not adjusting to 489 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: his new position very well. Yeah. The last thing I 490 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: can't believe I had lost over this, but to pull 491 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: up his year by year splits one more time, Yeah, 492 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: I was focusing on the previous years against lefties. This 493 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: was the biggest reason why the Marlins brought in Sager 494 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: in the first place to mash lefties. And that's what 495 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: sticks out most of all about him is that this 496 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: year entering Sunday, he was two for twenty five against lefties, 497 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: a two thirty five OPS. Now, that's pretty bad for 498 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: an average by his standards. It's unthinkably bad for even 499 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: a slugging percentage or an on base percentage. And that's 500 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: his entire ops in a tiny sample. But against lefties, 501 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: the job that he was brought in to do is 502 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: the one that he is doing as poorly as as 503 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: anybody in the league. And it is a ya. It's 504 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: hard to square that with the player that they thought 505 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: they were getting, somebody that they thought was just so 506 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: trustworthy from that aspect. And because of that, it also 507 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,959 Speaker 1: makes it hard to figure out exactly where he fits 508 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: into the team. I think the most obvious thing to 509 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: do right here is to cut into his playing time. 510 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: As much as he wants to be on the field 511 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,959 Speaker 1: every single day, you have to earn that, and he 512 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: has not earned that at all whatsoever. Regardless of who 513 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: else is on the roster, Nobody outside of Jacob Stallings, 514 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: that's a subject for another episode. Nobody outside of Jacob 515 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: Stallings is worse at the plate than Jean Sigura. Unfortunately, 516 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: with the return of Wendell, I think it makes it 517 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: pretty apparent that there should be games where Wendell and 518 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: Bertie are starting on the left side of the endfield. 519 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: Put them in whichever order you want. And Sigura is 520 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: sitting to this point in the season, he's played almost 521 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: every single game. There's no reason for that to continue. 522 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: The comparison. It's night and day between him and Bertie. 523 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: Bertie's nothing special, but he he's you know, he's getting 524 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: on base at a solid clip and he occasionally hits 525 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: extra base hits and one he gets on base. He's 526 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: obviously a much more impactful base runner than Sigura is. 527 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: With Joey Wendall, I talked about on the previous show 528 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: that you know, there's a pretty sustained period of time 529 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: where Wendell has not been a good offensive player. However, 530 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: the bar heard that Sigura has set is extremely low. 531 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: Wendell might be even better at least making contact. That's 532 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: one thing that Sigur is supposed to specialize, and Wendell 533 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: does that extremely well as well. And even when he 534 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: was something poorly for a big chunk of the twenty 535 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: twenty two season, you know, a six hundred ohps looks 536 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: pretty great against some one in the low four hundreds. 537 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: So Wendell is going to earn a substantial amount of 538 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: playing time. Again, the fact that he can play shorts 539 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: up and cigar isn't even an option there. I expect 540 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: Wendall to start the majority of games, and I think 541 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: some of those have to come at the extent the 542 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: expense of Sigura until he demonstrates that he is the 543 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: player that they thought they were getting, because to this 544 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: point he has just simply not done that. So when 545 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: do you reach a point where you consider something doing 546 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: something drastic like a salary dump trader, even considering releasing 547 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: him outright. I think they're a good while away from that. 548 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: Xavier Edwards, he can certainly make it an interesting call 549 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: if he continues to perform offensively at Triple A the 550 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: way that he did during the first portion of the 551 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: year to get called up in the first place. And 552 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: this goes back to Jordan Groshans as well. Groshians got 553 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: off to I don't think he impressed them with what 554 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: he showed down the stretch in terms of translating to 555 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: being an not in every forget in everyday player, but 556 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: even being like a clear above average role player for 557 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: the team last year. And that's why they started him 558 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: in Triple A. Never really felt like he had much 559 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: of a shot to make the opening day roster, except 560 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: for if he was versatile so enough to play enough 561 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: positions like they had concerns bottom line about Crotian's offense 562 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: in order to signs Toger in the first place. As 563 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: we're speaking, maybe heating up. He's hit in seven runs 564 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: his last two games for Triple A Jacksonville. Maybe he 565 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: gets going and shows more extra base impact that he 566 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: was missing last year, forces his way into the conversation 567 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: by the time we get to the middle of the 568 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: season between Edwards and Grossians and Jacob Emaya, Jacob Amaya, 569 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: who they have a lot of trust being a shortstop 570 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: moving forward. If he demonstrates that he's capable enough offensively 571 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: to go up to the big leagues and then subsequently 572 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: slot into shortstop and moving Wendel into a utility role, 573 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: then that makes Cigars role in the team more even 574 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: less defined than perhaps it is at this particular moment. 575 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: But we're still a little while away from that. I 576 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: think it's still a period of months until you think 577 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: about potentially calling this is song costs. He has such 578 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: a long track record Cigura does of not just being 579 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: like a viable major leaguer, but being as we said, 580 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: you know, a lead average hitter at a useful defensive position, 581 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: being in the middle of the defensive spectrum, while also 582 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: showing an interesting balance of contact skills and situational hitting 583 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: and adequate slugging. You know, double digit home runs over 584 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: the course of a full season and plenty of doubles 585 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: even when he doesn't go over the fence. I think 586 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: it's too soon to fully should say that the ship 587 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: has sailed on him being the player that he has 588 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: been for in a very extended period of time with him, 589 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: I think it's been a mix of really bad luck. 590 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: You look at the discrepancy between he's expected results and 591 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: his actual results this year according to stack cast in 592 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: terms of weighted on base average, I think the gap 593 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: is about sixty four points. In terms of batting average, 594 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: the gap is fifty three points. In terms of slugging, 595 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: the gap is one hundred and fifteen points between expected 596 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: and actual. To this point, there's been, no doubt there's 597 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,479 Speaker 1: been substantial of bad luck in here, and a very 598 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: difficult question the Marlins have to ask themselves is you know, 599 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: when he gets his deserved results, are those even those results, 600 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: are they good enough to merit being, you know, the 601 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: kind of player that they signed him up to be. 602 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,280 Speaker 1: Because even if he's getting his deserved results right now, 603 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 1: it'd be an ops. It would still be his worst 604 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 1: season in quite a while. It would still be a disappointment. 605 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: Even if the luck turns around. No doubt it's it 606 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: has been just a bizarre trend for the Marlins, and 607 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: when they actually try to spend money and improve the team, 608 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: spending more money on the team this year than they 609 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: had the previous five years and bringing in a variety 610 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: of players that have long track records and relatively recent 611 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: major league success, whether it's Segura, or whether it's Johnny Quato, 612 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: or whether it's the outfielder who should not be named 613 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: Avasajel Garcia, among others. You know, when they actually pay 614 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: these guys money, outbid other teams for them, they just 615 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,919 Speaker 1: they flop at a very high rate compared to even 616 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: other teams around the league. So not panicking on Sigura, 617 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: but you have to be immensely disappointed at what he's 618 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: given versus for a team that desperately needed the offense 619 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: and now you know, wakes up at this stage of 620 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: the season, as we've known many times, with the worst 621 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 1: run differential in the National League, mainly because their offense 622 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: is doo doo at this point. Sigura unfortunately, has been 623 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: significant portion of that. For the team to reach its schals, 624 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 1: it's going to need improven from a lot of different positions, 625 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: not just Sigura, and not just from third base in particular. 626 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: But you know, it's fair to expect a whole lot 627 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: more from him than Segura has given them to this 628 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: point in the season. This has been the official show 629 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: with me Eli Susman. Thanks for tuning in. 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