WEBVTT - Selects: How Sea Monsters Work 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:05.800 Hi, everybody. It's December and podcast time. This is Chuck 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:09.079 and we're talking about how sea monsters work. This is 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:12.239 a great episode from back in the day. I remember. Boy, 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:15.080 this is hard to believe almost six years ago. Time 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:18.000 is really flying, everybody, I'm getting old. This is a 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:21.800 fun podcast episode though, how sea monsters work? Right here, 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:29.200 right now, Welcome to Stuff you should Know, a production 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:37.640 of I Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:40.760 I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles w Chuck Bryant. There's guest 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:45.080 producer Noel. There's Nicola Tesla. It's Stuff you should know. 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:49.640 There's Johnny and Scott. Are those yourmasin? Eric? No, that 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:53.240 was Sigmund the Sea Monster. Did you watch that show? No? 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:57.720 Once again the brief cultural divide that expans between us. 0:00:57.880 --> 0:00:59.920 Was that from the seventies or earlier? Yeah, it was 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:03.120 one of the Sid and Marty Croft shows, HR Puffins stuff. Yeah, 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:06.399 Sigmund the Sea Monster and Johnny and Scott wear his buddies. Yeah, 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:10.399 he was like a you know, he's a dude in 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:12.520 a suit. I reckon, but he would he looked like 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:15.600 a big blob of kelp. I'm sure it's total nightmare 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:18.479 fuel with eyes. That was cool. Sid marty Kroft man 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:22.399 their sensibilities scare me. Yeah. I went to the place 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:24.080 once in Atlanta. You know, they had down at the 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:27.759 Omni which is now Phillips Arena. They had Sid marty 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:29.600 Croft World or whatever, and I went down there once 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.319 and looking back now, it was like a drug fueled 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:35.240 indoor amusement park. You're like, why are there so many 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:40.440 twenty year old here? Yeah? I never really put without kids. Yeah. 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:43.199 Uh yeah, I'm sure. I say this every single time 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.560 that we talk about Sid marty Croft. But you've seen 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:51.320 the Mr Show State of Drug Achusets. Yeah, that's one 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:53.520 of the best. I mean, it's hard to pick out 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.280 for Mr. Show, but that's definitely up there. Yeah, that's 0:01:56.360 --> 0:02:02.440 top five easy. Yeah. And that seems sea monsters they're 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:05.919 gonna get you soon? Is that from a show? Okay? 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:09.480 From this show? So, Chuck, are you familiar much with 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:11.960 sea monsters when you were researching this where you like 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:15.880 everybody knows all this sort of half and half? Yeah, 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:19.200 I felt similar. There were a lot of stuff, a 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:20.920 lot of things in here that I hadn't heard of, 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:25.760 And the extra research we did too yielded some new insights. 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:28.359 But one of the things that stuck out to me, 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:31.040 and I guess it's probably the thesis of this whole thing, 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:36.959 is that we've been seeing sea monsters for millennia. We've 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:40.600 been talking about sea monsters for millennia, and we still 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:44.040 are like, have you heard of the Montalk Monster? Yes? 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:46.160 Did you see pictures of that thing? Yeah? I remember 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:50.080 when it came out. Okay, I just heard of it yesterday. Yeah. Oh, 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.919 I feel bad for not sharing that with you. It's awesome. 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:56.200 Yeah that in the two thousand eight um what was 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.880 the beach? It was around Montalk. Yeah, but there was 0:02:59.880 --> 0:03:04.200 a specific beach, ditch planes beach. This girl and her 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:08.720 three friends found this washed up Montauk monster, And I 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:12.200 think what's funny is they still there's a trend here 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:16.360 in naming these things sensationally throughout history, and we still 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:19.200 do it. Because they could have called it like a 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:23.400 decomposed raccoon, but they called it the Montalk Monster. And 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:26.800 the jury is not out. It is a decomposed raccoon. 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:29.160 Yeah they I mean, they pretty much think so. But 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:31.880 it's not like you can't prove that. I mean, they 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:34.480 have like a line of biologists from mont talk to 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:39.200 Manhattan saying it's a raccoon. It's a raccoon without its fur, 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.120 which makes it look awesome. I've heard some other paleo 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:45.800 zoologists say like it maybe a sheep, though I think 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:49.640 it is too small, or other animals. But it's definitely 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:52.400 not a monster, a sea monster. No. But this is 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:55.040 two thousand and eight we're talking about, and some weird 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.240 thing washes up on a beach, and around the world 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:01.360 people hear of the Montauk mons except for me. Yeah, 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:04.040 did you see the East River Monster? I heard that 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.280 one was a pig. Yeah, it's clearly a pig, but 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:09.160 it's still kind of cool looking. But still they named 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.640 it the East River Monster, and not a pig. That 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:14.200 was you know, I don't know how the pig got there, right, 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:16.640 the pig of East River or something like that. Yeah, 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:19.120 it's probably like, you know, somewhere in Chinatown a pig 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:22.400 was no good and that thing in the river that's 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:27.640 what they do. Yeah. Um. Also in two thousand and six, Um, 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:31.000 there was one in Russia. I didn't see where, but 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:34.640 on a beach. Uh, something washed up and they said 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:38.000 sea monster and it turned out to be a beluga whale. 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:41.000 Carcass greatly decomposed, but it looked weird. It didn't look 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.680 anything like a beluga whale. But the point is is 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:47.200 still in the twenty one century, whenever the sea spits 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:51.960 something up, we're like, this is a monster. Clearly, obviously 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:54.240 this is a monster. And then biology just come along 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:57.400 and say it's not a monster, but it's this weird thing. 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:01.880 Or sometimes they say this is new. Yeah, it's not 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:04.560 a monster, but this is new. And this is the 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.440 point finally that I'm trying to get to, is that 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:14.440 the oceans, the seas cover seventies percent of Earth's surface, right, 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:17.960 That's a lot of hiding places. And I think humans 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.800 have known and still no intuitively that there's a lot 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:23.000 of stuff down there that we don't know about. We 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:26.120 don't know what it is. But over time we've science 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.719 has replaced superstition enough so that while we still know 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:31.560 there's stuff out there that we don't know, we don't 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:34.960 think of his monsters, So our mindset has changed somewhat. 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:41.520 But ultimately, the sea is this place of unknown, unknown 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:46.560 organisms that we're still learning about. What's the of the 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:51.360 deepest seas are still uncompletely like unresearched and Undiscovered. Well, 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.240 James Cameron just took away a little percentage of that 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:57.200 with his deep sea dive. He took away a bit 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:00.720 of my soul with every movie he's made. Terminator to 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:04.040 you like Terminator too, I didn't see that one. Yeah, 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:06.240 it was pretty good. Huh, Yeah, I think that was 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.000 that was a good one. Have you not seen Titanic? 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:13.159 Did you know that the there was an alternate ending 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:18.320 for it, where like they kept the diamond or or 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:22.360 ument where something like the titan Tanic didn't sink, right, 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.600 it worked out well in the end. No, Bill Paxton 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:30.280 ended up getting in on throwing the diamond away. That's 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:34.520 what it was, I think. Um. Speaking of recent sea 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.000 monsters though, which is not a sea monster, but did 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:40.279 you see the footage of the anglerfish? That that's another 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:43.320 great point. Yeah, some of these deep sea creatures look 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:47.480 like creepy monsters. I mean, the the anglerfish is one 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:49.520 of the scariest looking things I've ever seen in my life. 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.640 Creepy and uh it's real though, It's just you know, 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:54.599 science is It's not like, oh, what is this thing? 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:56.719 They know what the angler fish is, but they lived 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:59.560 so deep I think until recently it had never been 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:04.400 filmed in its habitat until like this year, until like 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:07.880 three weeks ago. Yeah. Um, apparently it wasn't until nineteen 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:12.440 seventy five that we ever photographed a whale underwater. Really yeah. 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:16.680 Interesting two thousand six, I think, um or nineteen seventy 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:22.000 six we discovered the mega mouth shark. Uh. There's like 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.920 the sea just coughs up new life to us. That Yeah, 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:28.760 where we slightly more superstitious we would have called monsters. 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:32.080 So that's pretty much the explanation of sea monsters. But 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.360 it goes back, like really really far, and looking at 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:37.800 the different kind of monsters we came up with really 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:42.000 kind of reveals a lot about our mentality. Yeah, it 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.360 goes back. I mean pretty much since people were writing 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:48.480 stuff down, somebody was writing about some kind of sea monster, 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:50.680 like the ocean is always just enthralled folks. I think 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:55.960 the Mesopotamians had the goddess uh Tiamatt. It was a 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.680 sea monster. Well she was, yeah, and she was their 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:02.960 creator goddess originally. So if you go far enough back 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:06.160 in Mesopotamian lore, that's where the world came from, That's 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:09.480 where the universe came from. Was Tiamat right. And then 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:14.800 eventually as Mesopotamia grew and evolved, Um, she became what's 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:19.040 known as the Chaos monster, and she was slain by 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:23.200 a male hero as and then the world was created 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:25.920 from from that. But originally she was just a benevolent 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.600 creator goddess. Well, and we'll see as we go through here. 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:30.880 Not all of the sea monsters. That depends on the 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.960 culture and the religion. Uh, some of them were benevolent. 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:39.120 I know the Chinese revere their dragons and sea monsters. Uh. 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:43.559 The Old Testament had its Leviathan. So even in the Bible, right, 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:46.520 and this is a question of mind, dude, is do 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:50.400 do don't you think that the Leviathan and Tiamatt are 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:53.839 one and the same. And in the Old Testament it's 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:59.800 the Hebrew God slaying the old Mesopotamian gods, saying, don't 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:02.840 even bring that here, like you created the world, I 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:06.600 slay you. Yeah, I am God. Well, I mean there's 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.480 a lot of crossover with stuff from the Old Testament 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:13.160 and other religions, and some people take great offense to that. 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:17.800 Others don't what that that It's not no, this is 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:21.800 the word of God, period. There is no crossover. That's 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:27.320 just coincidence. Um, two leagues under the sea. I think 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:30.400 Jules vern this quote is pretty cool. Uh. In eighteen 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:33.560 seventy he wrote that great, great book, and he said, 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:37.040 either we do know all the right varieties of beings 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.400 which people our planet, or we do not. If we 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:43.120 do not know them all, if nature has still secrets 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:45.960 in the deeps, for us, nothing is more conformable to 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:49.960 reason than to admit the existence of fishes or cetaceans 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.800 and other kinds of even new species, to which the 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:57.240 character receiving that monologue said the yeah, but it just 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:01.760 it kind of plays to the point, um that if 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:05.520 there are undiscovered things, they're always high in the mountains, 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.560 are deep in the jungles are deep under the sea 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:09.960 because people would have seen them. So it makes it 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:14.079 exotic in uh, sort of grabby as a means of 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:18.480 religion or literature, you know lore. Right, Plus the Jules 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:21.080 Verne was writing in well, this is eight seventy when 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:23.200 he wrote twenty Leagues under the Sea, So this is 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:26.679 a time when a lot of the old myths and 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:33.480 legends and monsters were being subsumed by biology. So like, yeah, 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:37.000 that monster that you saw, that thing does exist, But 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:41.160 it's not actually a kraken. It's an orfice. It's it's yeah, 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:44.800 or it's a it's a giant squid. And and here's 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:48.440 you know what it does and how it reproduces. And 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:52.400 because it's being studied, it's not just being feared. Yeah, 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:54.920 that's a good point. The Greeks and Romans, if you're 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:58.120 a fan of mythology, they are. There are tons and 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:00.960 tons of cool stories about secrete hers and sea monsters, 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:05.080 all kinds of monsters. Uh, namely one actus named by 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:11.880 the Romans. King Cepheius I had a wife named Cassiopeia 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:14.840 and they ruled Ethiopia apparently, and she said, you know what, 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:18.840 my daughter Andromeda is more beautiful than all the sea nymphs. 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:21.800 And of course, um She's like yeah, I said it. Yeah. 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:24.120 And Setis was like, all right, well, I've got a 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:26.720 dog like head and I'm part fish, and I'm gonna 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:31.160 come up and kill your daughter beside kill kill Cetis. Yeah. 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:33.880 And Perseus, of course is always saving the day. So 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:37.120 he apparently was flying back carrying Medusa's head that he 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:41.680 just chopped off, flying around and uh it just happened 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:45.920 to pass by. Uh was it? Persephone who was about 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:49.160 to be eaten and Dromeda Andromeda and said, all right, 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:51.800 I'll take care of setis on my way home. My 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:57.040 swords bloody already Harry Hamlin, who was Yeah, I never 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:58.800 saw the remake of that. Did you see that? No? 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:01.719 Not didn't either. I just remember released the Crack and 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:06.000 yeah it was a buzzword. Yeah that's right. Le Neeson 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:11.599 has a knack for buzzy movie. Uh lines of dialogue 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:15.640 because that very particular set of skills was also a 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:19.720 big thing for months, four different movies. I was just 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.480 in the one Are you sure? Yeah, taken, Yeah, it 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.520 was pretty good movie, by the way, Sure sure. I 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:29.120 did not see the sequel though, Taken to Electric Googleoo. Yeah, 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:32.600 I thought it was weird when he started breaking. He's 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.360 doing the worm, but like not even very well. I 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:37.839 would have thought they'd get like a body double who 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.040 was like a professional dancer. Well he he did not 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:41.880 have a particular set of skills when it came to 0:12:41.920 --> 0:13:06.760 being on the cardboard. So chucky. You're talking about Perseus 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:13.600 slaying Cetus. Yeah. Um. Homer's Odyssey was also another great 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:18.720 book of legends and mythology. Yeah, and there were some 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:24.840 sea monsters in it. Yeah, sila or skilla and uh 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:30.880 suis charybdis Uh. These two point out an important and 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:35.240 ongoing um feature of some of these stories, which are 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:39.679 that maybe they might symbolize something else real. Yes, either 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:43.480 a sea monster or in this case, maybe a dangerous 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:47.160 reef or whirlpools. That's a pretty common thing, I know, 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:51.120 the cracking. Also, the most dangerous part about the cracking, 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:56.200 supposedly is the whirlpool that it creates. Right, So, um, 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.800 this is kind of a this is one thesis on 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:04.760 why sea monsters developed. It was as an allegory, yeah, 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:08.520 a you know, a tale told of of warning. Right, 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:13.679 So that quote or that description of scylla is described 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:17.479 as having twelve ft six heads atop long sinuous necks 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:21.640 and mouths bristling with rows of shark like teeth. Well, um, 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:25.760 that's probably a reef, right yeah, and then sure just 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:29.400 lay on the opposite shore and periodically swallowed and regurgitated 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.720 the waters. There, probably a whirlpoole. Right, So it's a 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:36.440 story saying maybe don't go there exact exactly. Did you 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:40.600 read that thing on nuclear semiotics, dude, Let me tell 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.800 you about this for a second. Okay, there is this um, 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:49.360 this whole exploration that's trying to figure out how to 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:54.400 express Say so, like, if you have nuclear waste and 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:56.440 you need to put it away for ten thousand years 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:58.880 and to keep people away from it for ten thousand years, 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.040 you have to figure out a way to warn people 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:05.040 away from it for ten thousand years, Well, how could 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:09.480 you possibly do that? Godzilla sign? That's one idea. There's 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:11.080 a lot of other ideas, and this whole thing is 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:15.840 called nuclear semiotics. And one of the ways, too, probably 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:19.480 the most agreed upon way, is to create this thing 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:23.680 called a nuclear priesthood, which is this group of learned 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:28.280 people who know the secret of this nuclear waste site 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:33.080 but purposefully come up with a folklore to warn people away, 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.400 so to add some sort of like superstitious danger or 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.600 something to the site that will get passed down and 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:42.080 passed down, so eventually the people surrounding the area live 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:45.320 around it will know like, you don't want to go there, 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:47.920 You'll get killed. It has nothing to do with nuclear 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:51.520 radiation anymore, but this folklore will get passed along and along, 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:54.280 and they're saying like that may be the best way 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:58.200 to pass along information. And that's exactly what um. What 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.400 the idea one interpretation and of what sea monsters are is. 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:03.520 It's like a ghost story too. You know, you don't 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:05.480 want your kids to go in that decrepit house with 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:07.800 all the rusty nails. Tell him a scary old lady 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:09.840 lives in there, or to play near the water. You 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:12.600 don't want the you don't want a carp to take 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:16.760 you away. It's really just manipulating your dumb kid pretty much. 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:21.560 It's not doing dangerous things, right exactly. Yeah, And it works, 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:24.480 and it's a way and over time it's gotten passed down. 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:28.120 So that's one interpretation of sea monsters. There's also, like 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:32.320 you said, the krack in um possibly being the giant squid, 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:36.120 or I shouldn't even say possibly, it's probably a giant squid, right, Yeah, 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:39.640 There's always been stories of the kraking terrorizing ships off 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:42.920 of Iceland and Norway. And the kracking is noted because 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:46.600 it is huge, like one point five a mile to 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:50.640 a mile and a half wide, and uh, you know, 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.800 the cracking is, like you said, most likely a giant squid. 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.440 If you see a if you're a sailor back then 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:59.640 and you don't know about biology and things yet, and 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:03.320 you see a uh an eyeball pop out the size 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:06.160 of a human head, it might make you think that's 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.800 a big cracking seamonster exactly. So then if that gets 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.199 embellished into something that's a mile and a half wide, 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:16.400 with legs as as large as a sailing mast, capable 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.840 of pulling down a ship, well, I mean it gets 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.920 the point across the people back on land, like, wow, 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.200 that was a really big monster that you guys saw. 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.359 How big do these squids get? They get to like 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:30.720 forty forty three ft forty forty ft long. There's something 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.800 even bigger called the colossal squid that's so much bigger. 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:38.439 It's its own um species, I believe um and it 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:41.320 lives just in the Antarctic. So it's probably not the 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:44.000 basis of the cracking. It's probably just a regular old 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.359 giant squid. But you've seen giant squids. Look look at 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:49.280 those things right exactly. They're scary looking, they are very scary, 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.280 and they're very very big. Plus Also, the idea of 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:55.639 the crack and may have first come about before sightings 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:59.120 of giant squid. They may have been taken from whalers 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:03.719 who found like crazy scars on whales who may have 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.560 found like bits of tentacles, like huge tentacles in the 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:09.720 whales stomachs, things like that, and to be like, what 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:12.720 did this come from? Yeah, the beak, because they did 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.240 find a giant squid once, but the sailors cut it 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.119 up and used it for bait, but they preserved the beak, 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:21.200 and that just fueled the legend even more and more. 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:25.119 So that's the that's Another interpretation of sea monsters is 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:31.360 that they came from misunderstood or embellished sightings of actual 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:35.200 sea organisms that were familiar with. Now, so it's the 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:37.880 same thing, we just changed the name. Sure, well, you're 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:41.240 a sailor, you're drunk. Maybe you may be hallucinating because 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:43.560 you've been out at sea for too long, licking toads, 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:50.360 maybe looking toads. You may be uh, physically ill, sleep deprived, fatigued. Um, 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:52.800 and you see a giant squid, you might write in 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:56.760 your journal that I've seen the cracking. It makes perfect sense, 0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:00.240 you know, and it spreads and take shape over to time. 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:04.360 Scurvy going on. The krack is not the only one. 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:09.040 Um that's probably based on something real, the like sea serpents. 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:13.679 So the Leviathan was a sea serpent, many headed sea serpent. 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:16.760 It was a Mesopotamian god, like we said, Oh no, 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:20.080 I'm sorry it was It was in the the Old Testament. 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:23.760 It may have been the Mesopotamian god, That's what I said. Yeah, 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:26.000 but Leviathan always just sort of a catch all word 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:29.359 now for any like large, unknown, huge creature. Yeah, and 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:33.680 apparently it's in Hebrew it just means whale. Yeah, um, 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:36.520 which again is probably a whale. Well yeah, it could 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:38.800 have also been a sea serpent. So sea serpents are 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:43.320 there are their own things. Um, the uh, the Norse 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:48.280 had a legend of the your moannder there's a warm 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:52.040 loot in there and everything, and that was apparently, um, 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:57.000 one of Thor's bigger headaches. Yeah, that was the baby 0:19:57.040 --> 0:20:00.680 that was created when Loki, his brother, and a woman 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:05.560 named on Garboda I guess, had um the sex of 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:09.439 the gods and created this creature, a sea serpent that 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:13.760 wrapped around the globe supposedly. Yeah. Yeah, and um, that's 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:18.720 just one example of a sea serpent, huge sea bound snake. 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:22.720 And there's a lot of suggestions of what accounted for 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:26.280 sightings of sea serpents. Yeah, huge things of floating kelp 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:30.840 seen in the distance. Um, schools of porpoises, Yeah, along 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:33.440 the line together. There's one thing though, that could have 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.560 accounted for all sightings of sea serpents. It's called the 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:38.840 or fish. Did you see this thing? Yeah? It is 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:42.240 huge and Um, if an or fish was was swimming 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:45.359 in the water, it could be undulating up and down 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:47.720 and it looks like little spiny humps coming in and 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.280 out of the water, so that that makes sense. Sure 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:54.480 they get up too, I think, um, thirty or forty 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:57.040 ft Yeah, they can. I mean, there's there's plenty of 0:20:57.080 --> 0:21:00.720 photos of you know, like tend duds on a beach 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:04.120 holding one up right, because it takes ten dudes. It's 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:05.560 not like they all want their hand on the little 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:10.240 fish exactly, you know. And these aren't photoshoped either. There's 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:12.600 all kinds of stupid fake pictures too. But or fishes 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:15.479 are huge and they look like big, slimy kind of 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:21.440 serpentine fish. And then chuck mirror people were another kind 0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:27.359 of universal Um, I guess sea monster myth. That's a 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:30.280 That's another thing that stuck out to me, is there 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:35.199 where there are legends around the world from cultures that 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:40.280 are separated by space. And time that had similar stories 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:45.800 um without possibly interacting. So it makes you think that 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:48.920 a lot of these people cited similar things and came 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:51.720 up with similar myths and legends to explain what they 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:54.680 were seeing. Probably the mermaid is you know, if you've 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:57.639 seen Splash, you think, what what a neat thing to 0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:01.280 find a mermaid. But mermaids were not um looked upon 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:04.399 kindly because they would yeah, and this article points out 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:07.439 they would at the their best, they would just forget 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:10.400 that you can't breathe and drag you underwater till you die. 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:12.600 And at the worst they would do so on purpose 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:16.200 and take the men down under the water and lights 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:20.000 out for you. Tom Hanks, Yeah, sorry Tom Hanks for 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:23.359 the rest of your career. Darryl. His career was pretty 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:30.000 lousy after Splashing it Well, uh yeah, what um she 0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:32.679 Daryl Hannah though in the movie would she was not 0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:36.000 a bad mermaid because she uh kissed him and gave 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:40.560 him breath? Right, Well, it's the Hollywood ification of the mermaid. 0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:46.200 Ladward or like aerial from a Little Mermaid and that 0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:50.320 dirty dirty DVD cover Oh yeah, I guess it was 0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:53.000 VHS cover. They probably corrected that before it went to DVD, 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:58.480 probably those Disney guys board board and yeah, sure, yeah, 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:03.199 I get bored and blame so um. The whole Mr 0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:08.800 creature had root in the Nordic areas and Scotland, which 0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:11.720 apparently there's parts of Scotland that are so far north 0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:17.080 that they consider themselves Nordic rather than Scottish. Yeah, Orkney, 0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:19.680 I think. And there's a whole part of Scotland it's 0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:23.320 underwater now called dog Land that was around ten or 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:26.720 twelve thousand years ago. That's like this really fertile Neolithic 0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:30.720 artifact area. It's pretty cool. Dogger Land, that's what it is, 0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:33.640 not dog Land. So um. They had their own things 0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:37.359 called carpis chuck. And what's interesting about the carpi is 0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:45.119 that the kelpie I was thinking harpies, kepies exactly, but 0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:48.919 this is not carp or harpies. They're kelpies, which are 0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:53.840 actually horses that live in the sea that can sometimes 0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:58.760 change into humans, so they're kind of mer creatures. But 0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:01.920 every every lake in Scotland has a kelpie. This is 0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:05.600 supposedly associated with it, including lock Ness And it wasn't 0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:09.240 until the early eighteenth century that NeSSI became like a 0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:12.760 c creature that we think of her today when some 0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:16.800 dinosaur bones please use sare bones were found around Lockness 0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:20.000 saying well, this is what the Lockness monster is. Right 0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:22.159 before that, it was just a kelpie. We could probably 0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:24.200