1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. It's December and podcast time. This is Chuck 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,079 Speaker 1: and we're talking about how sea monsters work. This is 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,239 Speaker 1: a great episode from back in the day. I remember. Boy, 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: this is hard to believe almost six years ago. Time 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: is really flying, everybody, I'm getting old. This is a 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: fun podcast episode though, how sea monsters work? Right here, 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: right now, Welcome to Stuff you should Know, a production 8 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 9 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles w Chuck Bryant. There's guest 10 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: producer Noel. There's Nicola Tesla. It's Stuff you should know. 11 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: There's Johnny and Scott. Are those yourmasin? Eric? No, that 12 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: was Sigmund the Sea Monster. Did you watch that show? No? 13 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: Once again the brief cultural divide that expans between us. 14 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: Was that from the seventies or earlier? Yeah, it was 15 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: one of the Sid and Marty Croft shows, HR Puffins stuff. Yeah, 16 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: Sigmund the Sea Monster and Johnny and Scott wear his buddies. Yeah, 17 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: he was like a you know, he's a dude in 18 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: a suit. I reckon, but he would he looked like 19 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: a big blob of kelp. I'm sure it's total nightmare 20 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: fuel with eyes. That was cool. Sid marty Kroft man 21 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: their sensibilities scare me. Yeah. I went to the place 22 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: once in Atlanta. You know, they had down at the 23 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 1: Omni which is now Phillips Arena. They had Sid marty 24 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: Croft World or whatever, and I went down there once 25 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: and looking back now, it was like a drug fueled 26 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: indoor amusement park. You're like, why are there so many 27 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: twenty year old here? Yeah? I never really put without kids. Yeah. 28 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I'm sure. I say this every single time 29 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: that we talk about Sid marty Croft. But you've seen 30 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: the Mr Show State of Drug Achusets. Yeah, that's one 31 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: of the best. I mean, it's hard to pick out 32 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: for Mr. Show, but that's definitely up there. Yeah, that's 33 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: top five easy. Yeah. And that seems sea monsters they're 34 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,919 Speaker 1: gonna get you soon? Is that from a show? Okay? 35 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: From this show? So, Chuck, are you familiar much with 36 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: sea monsters when you were researching this where you like 37 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: everybody knows all this sort of half and half? Yeah, 38 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: I felt similar. There were a lot of stuff, a 39 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: lot of things in here that I hadn't heard of, 40 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: And the extra research we did too yielded some new insights. 41 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: But one of the things that stuck out to me, 42 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: and I guess it's probably the thesis of this whole thing, 43 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 1: is that we've been seeing sea monsters for millennia. We've 44 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: been talking about sea monsters for millennia, and we still 45 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: are like, have you heard of the Montalk Monster? Yes? 46 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: Did you see pictures of that thing? Yeah? I remember 47 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: when it came out. Okay, I just heard of it yesterday. Yeah. Oh, 48 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: I feel bad for not sharing that with you. It's awesome. 49 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: Yeah that in the two thousand eight um what was 50 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: the beach? It was around Montalk. Yeah, but there was 51 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: a specific beach, ditch planes beach. This girl and her 52 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: three friends found this washed up Montauk monster, And I 53 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: think what's funny is they still there's a trend here 54 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: in naming these things sensationally throughout history, and we still 55 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: do it. Because they could have called it like a 56 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: decomposed raccoon, but they called it the Montalk Monster. And 57 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: the jury is not out. It is a decomposed raccoon. 58 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: Yeah they I mean, they pretty much think so. But 59 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: it's not like you can't prove that. I mean, they 60 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: have like a line of biologists from mont talk to 61 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: Manhattan saying it's a raccoon. It's a raccoon without its fur, 62 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: which makes it look awesome. I've heard some other paleo 63 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: zoologists say like it maybe a sheep, though I think 64 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: it is too small, or other animals. But it's definitely 65 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: not a monster, a sea monster. No. But this is 66 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight we're talking about, and some weird 67 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: thing washes up on a beach, and around the world 68 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: people hear of the Montauk mons except for me. Yeah, 69 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: did you see the East River Monster? I heard that 70 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: one was a pig. Yeah, it's clearly a pig, but 71 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: it's still kind of cool looking. But still they named 72 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: it the East River Monster, and not a pig. That 73 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: was you know, I don't know how the pig got there, right, 74 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: the pig of East River or something like that. Yeah, 75 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: it's probably like, you know, somewhere in Chinatown a pig 76 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: was no good and that thing in the river that's 77 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: what they do. Yeah. Um. Also in two thousand and six, Um, 78 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: there was one in Russia. I didn't see where, but 79 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: on a beach. Uh, something washed up and they said 80 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: sea monster and it turned out to be a beluga whale. 81 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: Carcass greatly decomposed, but it looked weird. It didn't look 82 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: anything like a beluga whale. But the point is is 83 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: still in the twenty one century, whenever the sea spits 84 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: something up, we're like, this is a monster. Clearly, obviously 85 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: this is a monster. And then biology just come along 86 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: and say it's not a monster, but it's this weird thing. 87 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: Or sometimes they say this is new. Yeah, it's not 88 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: a monster, but this is new. And this is the 89 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: point finally that I'm trying to get to, is that 90 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: the oceans, the seas cover seventies percent of Earth's surface, right, 91 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: That's a lot of hiding places. And I think humans 92 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: have known and still no intuitively that there's a lot 93 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: of stuff down there that we don't know about. We 94 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: don't know what it is. But over time we've science 95 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: has replaced superstition enough so that while we still know 96 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: there's stuff out there that we don't know, we don't 97 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: think of his monsters, So our mindset has changed somewhat. 98 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: But ultimately, the sea is this place of unknown, unknown 99 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: organisms that we're still learning about. What's the of the 100 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: deepest seas are still uncompletely like unresearched and Undiscovered. Well, 101 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: James Cameron just took away a little percentage of that 102 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: with his deep sea dive. He took away a bit 103 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: of my soul with every movie he's made. Terminator to 104 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: you like Terminator too, I didn't see that one. Yeah, 105 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: it was pretty good. Huh, Yeah, I think that was 106 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: that was a good one. Have you not seen Titanic? 107 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: Did you know that the there was an alternate ending 108 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: for it, where like they kept the diamond or or 109 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: ument where something like the titan Tanic didn't sink, right, 110 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: it worked out well in the end. No, Bill Paxton 111 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: ended up getting in on throwing the diamond away. That's 112 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: what it was, I think. Um. Speaking of recent sea 113 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: monsters though, which is not a sea monster, but did 114 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: you see the footage of the anglerfish? That that's another 115 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: great point. Yeah, some of these deep sea creatures look 116 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: like creepy monsters. I mean, the the anglerfish is one 117 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: of the scariest looking things I've ever seen in my life. 118 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: Creepy and uh it's real though, It's just you know, 119 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: science is It's not like, oh, what is this thing? 120 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: They know what the angler fish is, but they lived 121 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: so deep I think until recently it had never been 122 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: filmed in its habitat until like this year, until like 123 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: three weeks ago. Yeah. Um, apparently it wasn't until nineteen 124 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: seventy five that we ever photographed a whale underwater. Really yeah. 125 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: Interesting two thousand six, I think, um or nineteen seventy 126 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: six we discovered the mega mouth shark. Uh. There's like 127 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: the sea just coughs up new life to us. That Yeah, 128 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: where we slightly more superstitious we would have called monsters. 129 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: So that's pretty much the explanation of sea monsters. But 130 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: it goes back, like really really far, and looking at 131 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: the different kind of monsters we came up with really 132 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: kind of reveals a lot about our mentality. Yeah, it 133 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: goes back. I mean pretty much since people were writing 134 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: stuff down, somebody was writing about some kind of sea monster, 135 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: like the ocean is always just enthralled folks. I think 136 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: the Mesopotamians had the goddess uh Tiamatt. It was a 137 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: sea monster. Well she was, yeah, and she was their 138 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: creator goddess originally. So if you go far enough back 139 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: in Mesopotamian lore, that's where the world came from, That's 140 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: where the universe came from. Was Tiamat right. And then 141 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: eventually as Mesopotamia grew and evolved, Um, she became what's 142 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: known as the Chaos monster, and she was slain by 143 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: a male hero as and then the world was created 144 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: from from that. But originally she was just a benevolent 145 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: creator goddess. Well, and we'll see as we go through here. 146 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: Not all of the sea monsters. That depends on the 147 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: culture and the religion. Uh, some of them were benevolent. 148 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: I know the Chinese revere their dragons and sea monsters. Uh. 149 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: The Old Testament had its Leviathan. So even in the Bible, right, 150 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: and this is a question of mind, dude, is do 151 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: do don't you think that the Leviathan and Tiamatt are 152 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 1: one and the same. And in the Old Testament it's 153 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: the Hebrew God slaying the old Mesopotamian gods, saying, don't 154 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: even bring that here, like you created the world, I 155 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: slay you. Yeah, I am God. Well, I mean there's 156 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: a lot of crossover with stuff from the Old Testament 157 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: and other religions, and some people take great offense to that. 158 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: Others don't what that that It's not no, this is 159 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: the word of God, period. There is no crossover. That's 160 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: just coincidence. Um, two leagues under the sea. I think 161 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: Jules vern this quote is pretty cool. Uh. In eighteen 162 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: seventy he wrote that great, great book, and he said, 163 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: either we do know all the right varieties of beings 164 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: which people our planet, or we do not. If we 165 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: do not know them all, if nature has still secrets 166 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: in the deeps, for us, nothing is more conformable to 167 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: reason than to admit the existence of fishes or cetaceans 168 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: and other kinds of even new species, to which the 169 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: character receiving that monologue said the yeah, but it just 170 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: it kind of plays to the point, um that if 171 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: there are undiscovered things, they're always high in the mountains, 172 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: are deep in the jungles are deep under the sea 173 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: because people would have seen them. So it makes it 174 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: exotic in uh, sort of grabby as a means of 175 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: religion or literature, you know lore. Right, Plus the Jules 176 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: Verne was writing in well, this is eight seventy when 177 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: he wrote twenty Leagues under the Sea, So this is 178 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: a time when a lot of the old myths and 179 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: legends and monsters were being subsumed by biology. So like, yeah, 180 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: that monster that you saw, that thing does exist, But 181 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: it's not actually a kraken. It's an orfice. It's it's yeah, 182 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: or it's a it's a giant squid. And and here's 183 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: you know what it does and how it reproduces. And 184 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: because it's being studied, it's not just being feared. Yeah, 185 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: that's a good point. The Greeks and Romans, if you're 186 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: a fan of mythology, they are. There are tons and 187 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: tons of cool stories about secrete hers and sea monsters, 188 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: all kinds of monsters. Uh, namely one actus named by 189 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: the Romans. King Cepheius I had a wife named Cassiopeia 190 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: and they ruled Ethiopia apparently, and she said, you know what, 191 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: my daughter Andromeda is more beautiful than all the sea nymphs. 192 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: And of course, um She's like yeah, I said it. Yeah. 193 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: And Setis was like, all right, well, I've got a 194 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: dog like head and I'm part fish, and I'm gonna 195 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: come up and kill your daughter beside kill kill Cetis. Yeah. 196 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: And Perseus, of course is always saving the day. So 197 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: he apparently was flying back carrying Medusa's head that he 198 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: just chopped off, flying around and uh it just happened 199 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: to pass by. Uh was it? Persephone who was about 200 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: to be eaten and Dromeda Andromeda and said, all right, 201 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: I'll take care of setis on my way home. My 202 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: swords bloody already Harry Hamlin, who was Yeah, I never 203 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: saw the remake of that. Did you see that? No? 204 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,719 Speaker 1: Not didn't either. I just remember released the Crack and 205 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: yeah it was a buzzword. Yeah that's right. Le Neeson 206 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:11,599 Speaker 1: has a knack for buzzy movie. Uh lines of dialogue 207 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: because that very particular set of skills was also a 208 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: big thing for months, four different movies. I was just 209 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: in the one Are you sure? Yeah, taken, Yeah, it 210 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: was pretty good movie, by the way, Sure sure. I 211 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: did not see the sequel though, Taken to Electric Googleoo. Yeah, 212 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: I thought it was weird when he started breaking. He's 213 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: doing the worm, but like not even very well. I 214 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 1: would have thought they'd get like a body double who 215 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: was like a professional dancer. Well he he did not 216 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: have a particular set of skills when it came to 217 00:12:41,920 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: being on the cardboard. So chucky. You're talking about Perseus 218 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: slaying Cetus. Yeah. Um. Homer's Odyssey was also another great 219 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: book of legends and mythology. Yeah, and there were some 220 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: sea monsters in it. Yeah, sila or skilla and uh 221 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: suis charybdis Uh. These two point out an important and 222 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: ongoing um feature of some of these stories, which are 223 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 1: that maybe they might symbolize something else real. Yes, either 224 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: a sea monster or in this case, maybe a dangerous 225 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: reef or whirlpools. That's a pretty common thing, I know, 226 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: the cracking. Also, the most dangerous part about the cracking, 227 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: supposedly is the whirlpool that it creates. Right, So, um, 228 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: this is kind of a this is one thesis on 229 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: why sea monsters developed. It was as an allegory, yeah, 230 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: a you know, a tale told of of warning. Right, 231 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: So that quote or that description of scylla is described 232 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,479 Speaker 1: as having twelve ft six heads atop long sinuous necks 233 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: and mouths bristling with rows of shark like teeth. Well, um, 234 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: that's probably a reef, right yeah, and then sure just 235 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: lay on the opposite shore and periodically swallowed and regurgitated 236 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: the waters. There, probably a whirlpoole. Right, So it's a 237 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: story saying maybe don't go there exact exactly. Did you 238 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: read that thing on nuclear semiotics, dude, Let me tell 239 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: you about this for a second. Okay, there is this um, 240 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: this whole exploration that's trying to figure out how to 241 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: express Say so, like, if you have nuclear waste and 242 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: you need to put it away for ten thousand years 243 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: and to keep people away from it for ten thousand years, 244 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: you have to figure out a way to warn people 245 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: away from it for ten thousand years, Well, how could 246 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: you possibly do that? Godzilla sign? That's one idea. There's 247 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: a lot of other ideas, and this whole thing is 248 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: called nuclear semiotics. And one of the ways, too, probably 249 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: the most agreed upon way, is to create this thing 250 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: called a nuclear priesthood, which is this group of learned 251 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: people who know the secret of this nuclear waste site 252 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: but purposefully come up with a folklore to warn people away, 253 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: so to add some sort of like superstitious danger or 254 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: something to the site that will get passed down and 255 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: passed down, so eventually the people surrounding the area live 256 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: around it will know like, you don't want to go there, 257 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: You'll get killed. It has nothing to do with nuclear 258 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: radiation anymore, but this folklore will get passed along and along, 259 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: and they're saying like that may be the best way 260 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: to pass along information. And that's exactly what um. What 261 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: the idea one interpretation and of what sea monsters are is. 262 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: It's like a ghost story too. You know, you don't 263 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: want your kids to go in that decrepit house with 264 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: all the rusty nails. Tell him a scary old lady 265 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: lives in there, or to play near the water. You 266 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: don't want the you don't want a carp to take 267 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: you away. It's really just manipulating your dumb kid pretty much. 268 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: It's not doing dangerous things, right exactly. Yeah, And it works, 269 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: and it's a way and over time it's gotten passed down. 270 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: So that's one interpretation of sea monsters. There's also, like 271 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: you said, the krack in um possibly being the giant squid, 272 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: or I shouldn't even say possibly, it's probably a giant squid, right, Yeah, 273 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: There's always been stories of the kraking terrorizing ships off 274 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: of Iceland and Norway. And the kracking is noted because 275 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: it is huge, like one point five a mile to 276 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: a mile and a half wide, and uh, you know, 277 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: the cracking is, like you said, most likely a giant squid. 278 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: If you see a if you're a sailor back then 279 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: and you don't know about biology and things yet, and 280 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: you see a uh an eyeball pop out the size 281 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: of a human head, it might make you think that's 282 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: a big cracking seamonster exactly. So then if that gets 283 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 1: embellished into something that's a mile and a half wide, 284 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: with legs as as large as a sailing mast, capable 285 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: of pulling down a ship, well, I mean it gets 286 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: the point across the people back on land, like, wow, 287 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: that was a really big monster that you guys saw. 288 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: How big do these squids get? They get to like 289 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: forty forty three ft forty forty ft long. There's something 290 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: even bigger called the colossal squid that's so much bigger. 291 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 1: It's its own um species, I believe um and it 292 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: lives just in the Antarctic. So it's probably not the 293 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: basis of the cracking. It's probably just a regular old 294 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: giant squid. But you've seen giant squids. Look look at 295 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: those things right exactly. They're scary looking, they are very scary, 296 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: and they're very very big. Plus Also, the idea of 297 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: the crack and may have first come about before sightings 298 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: of giant squid. They may have been taken from whalers 299 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,719 Speaker 1: who found like crazy scars on whales who may have 300 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: found like bits of tentacles, like huge tentacles in the 301 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: whales stomachs, things like that, and to be like, what 302 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: did this come from? Yeah, the beak, because they did 303 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: find a giant squid once, but the sailors cut it 304 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: up and used it for bait, but they preserved the beak, 305 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: and that just fueled the legend even more and more. 306 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: So that's the that's Another interpretation of sea monsters is 307 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 1: that they came from misunderstood or embellished sightings of actual 308 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: sea organisms that were familiar with. Now, so it's the 309 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 1: same thing, we just changed the name. Sure, well, you're 310 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: a sailor, you're drunk. Maybe you may be hallucinating because 311 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: you've been out at sea for too long, licking toads, 312 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 1: maybe looking toads. You may be uh, physically ill, sleep deprived, fatigued. Um, 313 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: and you see a giant squid, you might write in 314 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: your journal that I've seen the cracking. It makes perfect sense, 315 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: you know, and it spreads and take shape over to time. 316 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 1: Scurvy going on. The krack is not the only one. 317 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: Um that's probably based on something real, the like sea serpents. 318 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 1: So the Leviathan was a sea serpent, many headed sea serpent. 319 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: It was a Mesopotamian god, like we said, Oh no, 320 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: I'm sorry it was It was in the the Old Testament. 321 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: It may have been the Mesopotamian god, That's what I said. Yeah, 322 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: but Leviathan always just sort of a catch all word 323 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: now for any like large, unknown, huge creature. Yeah, and 324 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: apparently it's in Hebrew it just means whale. Yeah, um, 325 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: which again is probably a whale. Well yeah, it could 326 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: have also been a sea serpent. So sea serpents are 327 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: there are their own things. Um, the uh, the Norse 328 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: had a legend of the your moannder there's a warm 329 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: loot in there and everything, and that was apparently, um, 330 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: one of Thor's bigger headaches. Yeah, that was the baby 331 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: that was created when Loki, his brother, and a woman 332 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: named on Garboda I guess, had um the sex of 333 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: the gods and created this creature, a sea serpent that 334 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: wrapped around the globe supposedly. Yeah. Yeah, and um, that's 335 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: just one example of a sea serpent, huge sea bound snake. 336 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of suggestions of what accounted for 337 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: sightings of sea serpents. Yeah, huge things of floating kelp 338 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: seen in the distance. Um, schools of porpoises, Yeah, along 339 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: the line together. There's one thing though, that could have 340 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: accounted for all sightings of sea serpents. It's called the 341 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: or fish. Did you see this thing? Yeah? It is 342 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: huge and Um, if an or fish was was swimming 343 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: in the water, it could be undulating up and down 344 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: and it looks like little spiny humps coming in and 345 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: out of the water, so that that makes sense. Sure 346 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: they get up too, I think, um, thirty or forty 347 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: ft Yeah, they can. I mean, there's there's plenty of 348 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: photos of you know, like tend duds on a beach 349 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 1: holding one up right, because it takes ten dudes. It's 350 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: not like they all want their hand on the little 351 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: fish exactly, you know. And these aren't photoshoped either. There's 352 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: all kinds of stupid fake pictures too. But or fishes 353 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,479 Speaker 1: are huge and they look like big, slimy kind of 354 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: serpentine fish. And then chuck mirror people were another kind 355 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: of universal Um, I guess sea monster myth. That's a 356 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: That's another thing that stuck out to me, is there 357 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 1: where there are legends around the world from cultures that 358 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: are separated by space. And time that had similar stories 359 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: um without possibly interacting. So it makes you think that 360 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: a lot of these people cited similar things and came 361 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: up with similar myths and legends to explain what they 362 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: were seeing. Probably the mermaid is you know, if you've 363 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: seen Splash, you think, what what a neat thing to 364 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: find a mermaid. But mermaids were not um looked upon 365 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: kindly because they would yeah, and this article points out 366 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: they would at the their best, they would just forget 367 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: that you can't breathe and drag you underwater till you die. 368 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: And at the worst they would do so on purpose 369 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: and take the men down under the water and lights 370 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: out for you. Tom Hanks, Yeah, sorry Tom Hanks for 371 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: the rest of your career. Darryl. His career was pretty 372 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: lousy after Splashing it Well, uh yeah, what um she 373 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: Daryl Hannah though in the movie would she was not 374 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: a bad mermaid because she uh kissed him and gave 375 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: him breath? Right, Well, it's the Hollywood ification of the mermaid. 376 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: Ladward or like aerial from a Little Mermaid and that 377 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: dirty dirty DVD cover Oh yeah, I guess it was 378 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: VHS cover. They probably corrected that before it went to DVD, 379 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: probably those Disney guys board board and yeah, sure, yeah, 380 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 1: I get bored and blame so um. The whole Mr 381 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: creature had root in the Nordic areas and Scotland, which 382 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: apparently there's parts of Scotland that are so far north 383 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: that they consider themselves Nordic rather than Scottish. Yeah, Orkney, 384 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: I think. And there's a whole part of Scotland it's 385 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: underwater now called dog Land that was around ten or 386 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: twelve thousand years ago. That's like this really fertile Neolithic 387 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: artifact area. It's pretty cool. Dogger Land, that's what it is, 388 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 1: not dog Land. So um. They had their own things 389 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: called carpis chuck. And what's interesting about the carpi is 390 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: that the kelpie I was thinking harpies, kepies exactly, but 391 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 1: this is not carp or harpies. They're kelpies, which are 392 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: actually horses that live in the sea that can sometimes 393 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: change into humans, so they're kind of mer creatures. But 394 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: every every lake in Scotland has a kelpie. This is 395 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: supposedly associated with it, including lock Ness And it wasn't 396 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: until the early eighteenth century that NeSSI became like a 397 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: c creature that we think of her today when some 398 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: dinosaur bones please use sare bones were found around Lockness 399 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: saying well, this is what the Lockness monster is. Right 400 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: before that, it was just a kelpie. We could probably 401 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: do a full show on Nessy. Just think the fun 402 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: of it, um was has been pretty much disproven um 403 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: unequivocally of course, because there is no Lockness monster. But 404 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: I just think things like that are neat And when 405 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: we did one big Foot, it's more about just the 406 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: legend in the war around it Unlockness. Did you ever 407 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,239 Speaker 1: see the documentary that what's his name did Verna Hertzog? No, 408 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: I didn't know he did one of those. It was 409 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: I think it was he did a mockumentary, but not 410 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: like a Christopher Guest mocumentary, just bow documentary waiting for Nessy, 411 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: Waiting for Nessy um where it just looked like he 412 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: wasn't remember any of where he was searching for the 413 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: Latinus monster and saw, you know, caught it on camera. 414 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: But it made it, he made it seem real. I 415 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: think it was Runner Herzog. It was good, of course, 416 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: you know it sounds a little dishonest for Werner Herzog. Well, 417 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think he was trying to pass 418 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: it off. I think you kind of see this. Yeah, 419 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: I'll look that up at may not be him, but 420 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: someone did that, and it was kind of cool because 421 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: if you buy into it, then you're like, oh my god, 422 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: there it is. Are you sure this wasn't like something 423 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: on on cable? Nol says it was her talking. Okay, yeah, 424 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: I mean it probably played on cable at some point. 425 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: Nold talks a lot more than Jerry does. Um, so 426 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: chuck there. That brings us to our third interpretation for 427 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: where sea monster legends came from people finding dinosaur bones. Yes, 428 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: and we'll talk more about that right after this break, 429 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: all right, Dinah, Josh, Yeah, let's hear it. Oh well, 430 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: so I said that NeSSI became this kind of sea 431 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: monster around the time of please Asaur. I believe that's 432 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: what it was. Um skeleton was found around lock nests. 433 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: They said, well, this is this must be one of 434 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: Nessie's relatives. Apparently that wasn't the first time that that 435 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: a dinosaur led to the idea of a sea serpent. 436 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: You mentioned um the Chinese having a legend of some 437 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: sort of dragon, little tiny dragons that measured about three 438 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: ft long. Um oh no, I'm sorry about a foot long. 439 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: The Guizoo dragons, and they were basically marine reptiles called 440 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: keasaurs shui. They they but they were lucky. Like if 441 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: you found one of these skeletons, you kept it because 442 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 1: it was a little sea monster skeleton that you got 443 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: your hands on, and it would bring you a good fortune. 444 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: That's right. And I know what earlier we were talking 445 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: about just the early explorers, and uh, you can't fault 446 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: some of these dudes because they were, you know, as 447 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: this one article you said, they were literally an unchartered 448 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: waters and it was before the rise of science, and 449 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: all they had heard were stories in folklore and anytime 450 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: you saw if you ever see a map, c map, 451 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: oceanic map from there, it's gonna have some sea monsters 452 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: drawn on it, even as just decoration. So it was 453 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: a time when before there were you know, before observational 454 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: data came along. We pretty much was sort of like 455 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: the Internet today. You pretty much just rewrote earlier history 456 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: books over and over until they finally got a little 457 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: smarter and say, you know what, maybe we should really 458 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 1: observe something and then write about it. For real and 459 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: this didn't really lead to any anything more substantiated, you know, 460 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: well for a while, sure, but um it was they 461 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: called a transitional era in this article, which I think 462 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 1: kind of sums it up. Yeah, these were early scientists, 463 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: early naturalists, who were trying to get a handle on 464 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: what the heck they were looking at. Um, but they 465 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 1: still perpetuated legends like they might have a real creature 466 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 1: like a whale. Right, and then it's similarly a natural 467 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: um biological illustration of a mythical creature like a ce bishop. 468 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: So the ce bishop was this thing that was supposedly 469 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: caught and taken to the King of Poland because it 470 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: was this fish like creature that had like a meter 471 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: and robes like a bishop, and apparently you could also 472 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: talk and refuse to eat, and when it would make 473 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: the sign of the cross and everything. And later on 474 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: somebody said it probably didn't talk and make the sign 475 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: of the cross. But if you look at a squid 476 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: a certain way, it looks a lot like, yeah, it's 477 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: got the hat and in some of its flappy skin 478 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: that's kind of like the robes, you know, So maybe 479 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: that's where the sea bishop came from. Simultaneously, to this. 480 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: We're talking like the sixteenth century. There was a pretty 481 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: much a widespread belief that whatever you found on land 482 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: had an an analogy in the sea. Catfish, dogfish, seahorse, 483 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: all that stuff, and uh, in some cases they were right, 484 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: there are catfish, there are dog fish because we call 485 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: them that sea monkeys right, the sea horse to um. 486 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: But all that kind of It was a rough time 487 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: for science. It was still getting its footing. Well, yeah, 488 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: because you know, like you said, things were mistaken, like 489 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: a whale and a walrus might be a monster when 490 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: it's just a whale or a walrus. And there were 491 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: all kinds of tails that you know, when it's repeated 492 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: over and over, you get the sense it is just 493 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: one of those like urban legends back then, right, I 494 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: guess it wasn't urban back then, though, what would it be? 495 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: Just a seafaring legend um of whales being mistaken for islands, 496 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: and like a ship will land on the whale and 497 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: build a you know, and route down basically get off 498 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: the ship and build a fire, and then the whale, 499 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: I guess who was just chilling out at the surface says, hey, 500 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: there's a fire on my back, and I'm gonna take 501 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: your boat underwater and swallow you hole. I'm a whale 502 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: to be aware of the you know, whatever they called that, 503 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: whatever culture called that particular whale exactly now we just 504 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: call it a whale. And again it was probably end 505 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: on their backs. It was an embellished story, but there 506 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: they it was based on the sighting of a whale 507 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: before they called it whales. And back when everybody lied 508 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: about everything, they saw another culture that found dinosaur bones 509 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: and created their own legends. Where the Lakota and Dakota 510 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: su Yeah, sure, they came up with something called um 511 00:30:55,680 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: the um um tahila la. Yeah. I think that's about right, 512 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: from from dinosaur bones found around the Missouri River. Yeah, 513 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: and that was a water creature. Well, they were very 514 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,719 Speaker 1: evil water serpents that would eat anything, including one another, 515 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: and so the thunderbirds would come and do battle with 516 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: them thunder beings. Yeah, but I looked it up. It's 517 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: basically thunderbirds, gotcha. What they knew is that it wasn't 518 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: a tonka, that's a buffalo, right. Yeah, they were pretty sure. 519 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: You know, um, that's apparently where the legends of the 520 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: psych the Cyclops came from. From Native Americans from no 521 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: from um finding like old like elephant bones, elephant skulls, 522 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: the huge cavity in the middle, like well, clearly there 523 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: was a race of giants that just had one eye. No, 524 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: they were elephants. You know. We often joked like they 525 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: were done back then. Of course they weren't. They were 526 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: just trying to figure it out. It's like to make 527 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,719 Speaker 1: stuff up. They didn't have TV or anything back then, 528 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: and a lot of this stuff was was um legend 529 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: to keep you know, voters from going in a maybe 530 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: a particularly dangerous part of the sea, or to keep 531 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: the children away from the water. And like the ghost 532 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: story and the nuclear what's it called? Oh, nuclear semiotic? 533 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: Nuclear semiotics, man, everybody go look that stuff up. Actually, 534 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: Roman Mars has a nine invisible about that one. Yeah, 535 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: nice nuclear semiotics. Pretty neat ineffective. I imagine we'll find 536 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: out in ten thousand years. I guess. So, um, what 537 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: else do you got anything else? I don't have anything 538 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: else on sea serpents. Um, just take a look at 539 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: the angler fish video and tell me if you came 540 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: upon that. And see, we also didn't point out that 541 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: this was before deep not even deep sea exploration, like 542 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: This is before underwater exploration. People are just riding around 543 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: on the top of the ocean. So we're fascinated with 544 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: it and we've gone to the depths that we can attain. 545 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: At this point, it's just pretty deep. I wish I 546 00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: would look that up. I don't know how deep we 547 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: can go. How deep James Cameron can go. Oh he 548 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: goes deep, buddy. But um, think about back then, man, 549 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: when they couldn't Like, you're not scary, that would be right, 550 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: when these strange creatures are Like you see a giant squid, yeah, 551 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: and you're just partially seeing it if you can't see 552 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: it underwater. Do you have no idea before the Diving 553 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: Bell even like there was? Or the Butterfly? That's right, Yeah, 554 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: you like that one. I finally saw that movie, by 555 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: the way, hardcore man. It's good though, Yeah, really good. Uh. 556 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: If you want to know more about the diving Bell 557 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: and the butterfly or about sea monsters, you can type 558 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: those words into the search bar how stuff works dot com. 559 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: And since I said search parts time for listener mail, 560 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: i'n call this uh Opah is German for grandpa. I 561 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: thought it was Greek for like good times. Maybe I 562 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: don't know really, yeah, bah, well, I'm sure those are 563 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: just three letters together, might be something Greek. But like 564 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: my brother in law, Carston, his German and his grandfather 565 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: was I'm sorry his father. His grandfather was Opa, but 566 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: his dad was native Germans, so my nieces called him Opah, 567 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: as does this Lady's I'm writing in specifically about your 568 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: whaling podcast. Oh how appropriate with a family story that 569 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: Lucy relates. My great grandfather Opa left Germany when he 570 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 1: was fourteen pre war to work as a sailor, came 571 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: to the US and was a member of the U. 572 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 1: S Coast Guard. One day, he was part of a 573 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: team that was clearing a harbor of some old sunken chips. 574 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,359 Speaker 1: To do so, they use the sophisticated method of throwing 575 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: dynamite into the water to blast the wood of art 576 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: and then gathered the debris. His team wrote out in 577 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: a fourteen foot rowboat to gather up the wood shards 578 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: and noticed the blast had killed the fish they floated 579 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: to the tops of the crew brought them into the 580 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: boat as well. Waste not, wantnot. As they were going 581 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 1: about their business, they came across a sixteen foot hammerhead 582 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: shark that had floated up. Clearly it would be a 583 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: great source of food, so despite their small boat, they 584 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: pulled it aboard. I think you see where this is headed. Well, 585 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: As it turns out, the blast is strong enough to 586 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: kill small fish, but only stunned larger animals. The sharks 587 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: slowly started to gain consciousness in the row boat, and 588 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: being confused and out of water, was not pleased. It 589 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: got to the point that it was thrashing about in 590 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: the boat, threatened to destroy the boat and likely injured 591 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: or kill the crew members. So in the midst of 592 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 1: this chaos are able to flag down a sailor on 593 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: a larger vessel proceeded to shoot the thing to death 594 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: while that was still in the boat. Um, all of 595 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 1: the crew members were safe and they still got to 596 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: feast on hammerhead shark. But now I had a much 597 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: more exciting story. Uh, and you mentioned in the whaling 598 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: podcast Old timmy whaling crew members were deployed in small 599 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: boats to get the whale and were often injured and killed. 600 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: I thought you might find this interesting, and I was 601 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: hoping that you could give a shout out to my 602 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: sister Rachel. You turned me onto your podcast in two 603 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: thousand nine. She lives in France. We don't get to 604 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: see each other frequently, but whenever we do, Josh and 605 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: Chuck always come up. That's us. So that is uh 606 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: Wendy Bear. She is a registered dietitian. And Wendy and 607 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: Rachel Uh thanks for listening and for spreading the word 608 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: and for being uh sisters. Way to go being sisters. Yeah, 609 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: thanks for writing in, Wendy. Yeah, yeah, thanks Wendy, Um 610 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: and Chuck. This is our last episode of two thousand 611 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,359 Speaker 1: and fourteen. Oh man, the longest year. So we want 612 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: to say happy new year everybody, and I want to 613 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: say happy birthday to my sweet and lovely wife, you me. 614 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday. That's the rights free version. No, 615 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: that's the Stevie Wonder version. Oh it's a good one, 616 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 1: so it's not rights free. 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