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Speaker 1: Guess what decision We're about to make?

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Speaker 2: Horrible decision? How do everybody?

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Speaker 1: We have the Horrible Decisions podcast, and we are going

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Speaker 1: to be in Dallas, Texas Royal Day weekend.

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Speaker 2: Bitch is a Sunday. We're gonna be headlining the two

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Speaker 2: Togetherland Festival. And you bitches better than I. How no

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Speaker 2: motherfucker work on Sunday? Call out?

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Speaker 3: Ho?

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Speaker 4: I mean you could do that. But also it's a

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Speaker 4: three day weekend. They have Monday off. We will see

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Speaker 4: you guys in Dallas, Texas at the together Land Festival.

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Speaker 4: Make sure you get your tickets now. We will be

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Speaker 4: live on the podcast stage. That's May twenty six. Get

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Speaker 4: your tickets now at togetherland dot com. Hey guys, welcome

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Speaker 4: to another episode of Horrid Black Decisions. I'm your girl,

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Speaker 4: Mandy b aka Patdaaion aka Full cour Punks aka dad

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Speaker 4: Bitch aka I'll fuck your mama, yo, Daddy, and your

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Speaker 4: sister and your brother.

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Speaker 2: What's the now?

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Speaker 1: A show that I should have been cast on, as

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Speaker 1: you know I was gonna turn twenty years ago. Literally

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Speaker 1: all of you have written us about this show, like

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Speaker 1: please do a cinema on it. But the person that

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Speaker 1: really put me on was Bennie. Yes, So I watched

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Speaker 1: a show called A Couple of Throuple on Peacock and

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Speaker 1: I just wrote my favorite I didn't even ask somebody else.

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Speaker 1: I wrote my favorite couple on the show, which is

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Speaker 1: crazy because you know you must be good when you

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Speaker 1: came in in the middle.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to say, because the show, you have

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Speaker 4: to keep going to meet this couple.

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Speaker 1: And then everybody was like, why didn't you invite the

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Speaker 1: only one person said met Brittany and Sean because they

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Speaker 1: were the black ones.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I want tea. I'm gonna be real, y'all.

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Speaker 4: We have Maximo and Ash here in the motherfucker building,

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Speaker 4: and I want to do that little introduction I found

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Speaker 4: on the internet because it was cute, but also so

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Speaker 4: we could talk shit Bothy extrovert, Maximo said he's mostly

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Speaker 4: dated CIS men before dating Ash, and Ash, exuding quiet

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Speaker 4: top energy which is hilarious, had mostly dated women their

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Speaker 4: relationship through gender and sexuality norms in the trash, y'all.

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Speaker 4: Another reason why we have them also on the pot

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Speaker 4: is because they rain out of Bushwick, New York.

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Speaker 5: That is how the hell that's right?

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Speaker 6: Bushwick for y'all, that don't know is Brooklyn gighborhood the gighborhood.

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Speaker 7: Okay, because green Point that's that's different than Bushwick.

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Speaker 6: And it's not and it's not Hell's Kitchen gighborhood. It's

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Speaker 6: like poc artists.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: It is like Bushwick is the place where I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying I just get crazy. But there's been a few

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Speaker 1: moments in my life like that one time that I

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Speaker 1: peed in that guy's bet and he liked it.

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Speaker 2: Wait, the Treehouse was in Bushwick.

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Speaker 5: It sure was, of course it was.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, makes like that time when I fucked that

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Speaker 1: girl that I met with the banker and when we

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Speaker 2: Just all in it. It's just that's where it's gonna

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Speaker 4: Also, let's be very clear, Uh, Susia, which I love

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Speaker 4: so very much, is the like sex club that's in Bushwick.

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Speaker 6: That's right, absolutely, y'all. Be As just produced their first event.

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Speaker 7: Was yeah, and I gug that you even know this

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Speaker 2: Louise and I love love them so much. Amazing. So

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Speaker 2: let's get you guys right now.

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Speaker 4: Yes, before we get into that is a very thing

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Speaker 4: Before we get into our icebreaker, Ken, you do your

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Speaker 4: own introduction and a little bit about how the two

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Speaker 4: of you became a couple.

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Speaker 8: Well, I want this one.

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Speaker 5: Sure.

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Speaker 6: I'm Maximo and this is Ash, also known as a gentlefemdom.

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't even say quiet wow gentlefemdom one day.

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Speaker 8: And the next day it's like angry twink changes Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. We're both pan sexual, non binary, and we live

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Speaker 6: We're about to start our second year together. Just celebrate

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Speaker 6: Ash and I wanting to start more creative work together.

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Speaker 6: I'm a dancer and a model and a photographer, among

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Speaker 7: So right before the show, I had been doing corporate

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Speaker 8: Quit corporate. And now I'm trying to figure that out.

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Speaker 7: So since the show, it's been a lot more with

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Speaker 7: We've been now doing events together. Max is helping me

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Speaker 8: Spicy, but it was healing, very healing.

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Speaker 6: So I come from a concert dance background, so I

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Speaker 5: Did you put the glitter on the strap on?

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Speaker 4: Like that?

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Speaker 8: Next one?

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Speaker 5: Let me set the scene.

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Speaker 6: So this is the first party that Ash ever produced

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Speaker 6: with Susio Queer, which is a play party, but this

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Speaker 6: having a blend of different queers, you know how it

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Speaker 6: could be segregated, like this is a gay sex party,

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Speaker 6: This is like a lesbian sex party. This is like

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Speaker 6: a swingers party. You know, this is like a hetero party.

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Speaker 6: But if you want to you want to do some

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Speaker 4: No, let's be very clear, right if the women want

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Speaker 6: Really, this one was very like we invite all all

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Speaker 6: I'm all kind in my like of course, my fish

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Speaker 6: it starts out to buttons by pussy cat dolls. And

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Speaker 6: I'm also a voguer. So I start I'm servingknes, I'm

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Speaker 6: I start to take out different articles of clothing. I

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Speaker 6: put on these sunglasses. Then my move starts to become

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Speaker 6: a little more masculine. Then I put on this bandana

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Speaker 6: more masculine. Then I take this button down and I'm

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Speaker 6: like full mask mode. Now I'm giving you like magic

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Speaker 6: is turning from like cunt to more masks. Last thing

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Speaker 6: I do is I take Ash from the crowd and

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Speaker 6: I rip their pants off. I take their pants, I

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Speaker 6: put the pants on me. I am now fully trained,

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Speaker 6: its form, fully masked. Then magic Mike the song starts playing,

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Speaker 6: Let's ride it, dude. That is genuine, right, that's where

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Speaker 6: I got it from.

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Speaker 8: There's the door.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely correct on you. That's right.

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Speaker 6: And then so then I have a moment of masculine

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Speaker 6: back to the bag. I go back to the bag.

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Speaker 6: The last thing I take out the bag is a

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Speaker 6: their top. Now they're fully nude, exposed, vulnerable, but now

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Speaker 6: we're putting on their strap on. Next thing you do

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Speaker 6: into the I go into the bag and I passed

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Speaker 6: them the loop. Then Ash goes into the bag and

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Speaker 6: passes me the poppers because that's important.

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Speaker 5: That that's so part of life.

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Speaker 6: And so the next thing that happens, get ready because

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Speaker 6: now it gets crazy. So then take care of the poppers.

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Speaker 6: Ash starts to penetrate me, as I.

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Speaker 7: Actually I ate you at first. You had to eat

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Speaker 7: Maxie out first to like loosen it up, get cute coffee.

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Speaker 5: So your face in that BOOTLEHOLEO.

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Speaker 2: She literally turned around and said, it's important.

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Speaker 7: You gotta know, gentle top.

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Speaker 6: You know if you're gonna do anal, you need to

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Speaker 6: like have some for play first.

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Speaker 5: Of course, lots of loop.

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Speaker 6: But if you have a nice top, who's gonna really

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Speaker 9: Hello?

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Speaker 6: So literally you you got puked the hold on them

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Speaker 6: so as so they ate me out, then they start

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Speaker 6: taking off these articles of clothing and passing them to Ash.

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Speaker 6: So my bandana I take off, I passed to Ash.

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Speaker 6: My glasses I take off, I passed to Ash. My

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Speaker 6: then Ash, as they're penetrating me, multitasking like putting on

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Speaker 6: your mask exactly. So then you're seeing this visual of

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Speaker 2: No, no, no no.

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Speaker 4: The next night, I need to go. I would love

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Speaker 4: to be in this room.

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Speaker 2: You guys seem like you're coming.

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Speaker 5: No, they came before everyone else came. It was holy icebreaker,

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Speaker 5: and I feel like that being an icebreaker, my icebreaker question.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like, you know what, I want to

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Speaker 1: say something that's gonna sound fucked up, but I have

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Speaker 1: to say it. There was a moment where Sean said

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Speaker 1: the show, you know, I see the masculine side of you.

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Speaker 1: First I saw feminine, but I'm starting to see it.

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Speaker 1: I swear to god, I kind of get it now.

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Speaker 1: And it's very difficult because for me, I'm very like,

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Speaker 1: I'm by right not really paying me because I really

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Speaker 1: like the girl and the girl and the guy and

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Speaker 1: the guy. It's still I don't know what it is,

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Speaker 1: and maybe isn't the beard, Well, well, not only the beard,

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Speaker 1: I'll say, and I'm sure it was by editing.

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Speaker 5: First off, I love a black man acknowledging.

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Speaker 4: That that was a nice a man, and he literally

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Speaker 4: also said I'd never seen a man present both feminine

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Speaker 4: I hate that the editing, I will say, did not

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Speaker 4: show you in that madmore because I came in. First off,

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Speaker 4: it was given cut, you had a whole beat.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the boots were really the moment the courset, I

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Speaker 7: Oh my god, everything you know, like everything that I

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but I feel like we had to really learn

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Speaker 4: So I've literally been in my house the last two days.

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Speaker 4: because y'all did some function shit.

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Speaker 5: We gonna get into it.

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Speaker 2: While I was watching it, and we weren't supposed to

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Speaker 5: I love sex clubs. I love that.

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Speaker 4: I felt like I opened my last relationship into Pandora's

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Speaker 4: I saw with all of these non monogamous people seeking

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Speaker 2: That's not true. You literally don't have someone leaving early

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Speaker 4: But all I kept seeing was people like, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: But that's okay though they have a I get that.

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Speaker 4: It was where a as millennials, I would say, we're

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Speaker 4: be honest, but they watching. If they were taken out

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 4: No, even the fact that the other white man was

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Speaker 2: But so I'm watching this and I just don't like thinking.

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Speaker 4: It's not that it's not that rumbles are hunky dory,

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Speaker 1: But see, I might have been Britney too, and I'm

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Speaker 1: tell you who I thought was healthiest to unhealthy in order.

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Speaker 5: Oh and by the way, oh hopefully, okay, hopefully, just so.

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Speaker 4: You know we're talking about what we're talking about.

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Speaker 5: The show couple to throuble. Go ahead and say so the.

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Speaker 1: Couple that left, where I saw the unhealthiness was she

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Speaker 2: It was really a little too early.

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Speaker 1: I only thought you were the healthiest because of I

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Speaker 1: They had an issue with their own jealousy together. Your

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Speaker 1: And I was.

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Speaker 2: Like, dangn So we're gonna talk about it real quick, but.

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Speaker 1: Wait, wait, waiting on them, But I'm going in order

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Speaker 1: I will definitely say I hate it that it was them.

437
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: Was the black couple. I don't think she was gay enough.

438
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 1: I think when he said, she wanted to.

439
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 4: Do that shit reviews so she can get more instant.

440
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 4: They can't be at the bottom, honey, when you saw

441
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 4: oh yeah, gaze was at the bottom, you write they weren't.

442
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 4: Literally they was at the bottom, was at the bottom.

443
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 5: But that's that's what people are thinking.

444
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 4: No, no, no, that's what you don't think that white

445
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 4: couple with the blonde was the most healthy with Denise.

446
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 2: No, I thought they were.

447
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 5: So I will remember why.

448
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 6: Like the arc though at the ending, I really like

449
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 6: how they gave them that journey that then they started

450
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 6: to find that comfort because Britt was also going through

451
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 6: their own coming out.

452
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 4: Like she said at the end, I gotta act like

453
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 4: I'm by. I want to tell you you guys why

454
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,199
Speaker 4: wouldn't put you at the most healthy And what frustrated me.

455
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 2: About who was the most healthy to you?

456
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 4: The one that left no the white couple that was

457
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 4: with Denise even cure the level of communication between them

458
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 4: and Denise will like I'm more sexual, your man is

459
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 4: more sexual. I want to make you comfortable. That to

460
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 4: me was very strong. The reason why your foundation is great.

461
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 4: What I viewed again as my I'm watching this show

462
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 4: and I was getting angry because I was like, baby,

463
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 4: this is tough, was the fact that for everyone that

464
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 4: y'all wanted to bring in, there was a layer of

465
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 4: dishonesty that you wanted them to have with whoever they

466
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 4: were dealing with, and so and you didn't want Jonathan

467
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 4: or you.

468
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 7: Didn't you see it, like Jonathan Darien, the both man

469
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 7: and woman that you wanted to bring in were already

470
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 7: a part of a couple and navigating that relationship.

471
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 4: And when you both spoke on interest to them about it, however,

472
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 4: they repeated it to their partners was that you were

473
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 4: going behind their backs. And so to me, having been

474
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 4: in a relationship that was ethically non monogamous and literally

475
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 4: going into a sex club and the the woman that

476
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 4: my partner is cheating on me with introduces herself to

477
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 4: me and acts like I'm meeting No, it's not even

478
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 4: that I'm triggered.

479
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 5: But but.

480
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 4: If we're in this non monogamous space, the idea that

481
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 4: we're supposed to be open, fluid and communicating with our partners,

482
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 4: that there would y'all would lean into them being dishonest

483
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 4: with their partner.

484
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I guess that's where.

485
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 4: Where does the ethical come in, Where clearly you want

486
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 4: them to be ethical with y'all, but is it okay

487
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 4: for them to lie to their partners?

488
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 5: And Maximo.

489
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 8: Answer, no, that's not right.

490
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, that's absolutely not right the way that you

491
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 6: perceive that, the way that it was edited. Of course,

492
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 6: I don't agree with that style of ethical non monogamy.

493
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 6: Going back to your like beginning beginnings of like just

494
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 6: like the idea between couples and singles and like thropilism

495
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 6: and polyamory on TV, and this being like the representation

496
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 6: of it, there's a lot that holds it back because

497
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 6: of form. Unfortunately, so it turns into almost like yes,

498
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 6: this is a dating show, but then it becomes almost

499
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 6: like a game show aspect where it's like you'reopping and

500
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,959
Speaker 6: you're choosing, so then singles are getting like objectified and

501
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 6: like even though yeah, and they absolutely did, and that's

502
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 6: what sucks. And so when we're in the situation, of

503
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 6: course we're treating everyone with like as much humanity. We

504
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 6: really want to get to know everybody. But the thing

505
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 6: is you're in that resort, the singles come in, you

506
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 6: have three hours until the gong goes, and then you

507
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 6: don't get to see the singles anymore. So you're just

508
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 6: trying to like have a connection, but it's it's swiping.

509
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 5: Exactly.

510
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: So oh wait, so keep going. So we saw something,

511
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: so she perceived it.

512
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 6: So that's kind of like the reality of the situation,

513
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 6: which holds it back from the true beauty. I feel

514
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 6: like of polyamory and of ethical non monogamy is that

515
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 6: tryads truthfully are one of the hardest dynamics in polyamory,

516
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 6: is it even? I think it's because yeah, it's this

517
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 6: idea of like equal love, but it's also this idea

518
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 6: of like, you have two main partners that you're also

519
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 6: trying to cater to. But then my connection with Ash

520
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 6: is one thing, but my connection with this person is

521
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 6: another thing. And then the three of us, and then

522
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 6: if there's one riff, then like this, it's a support.

523
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 6: But then it can also become like talk shit to

524
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 6: somebody and then you and your best friend makeup, and

525
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 6: then you just made this person hate this person because

526
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 6: you talked shit to them about how they treat And

527
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 6: I feel like it creates a lot of that in

528
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 6: a threatle. It's that kind of energy. Now when Darien right,

529
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 6: so like we had that experience with Darien in the

530
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 6: real world, had we been able to explore something with

531
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 6: Darien that is absolutely ethical if everyone is like aware

532
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 6: about it, and if Darian had the opportunity to be

533
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 6: with us as well as being with Britney and Sean,

534
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 6: and then getting into the edits, the edits, I mean

535
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 6: naturally reality TV, there's so much that happens that you

536
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 6: can't see. And of course we got our villain at

537
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 6: it in there and that's okay, and they needed to

538
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 6: make it dramatic, and I love that you caught this,

539
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 6: but we noticed it too. We're like, our problems in

540
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 6: the resort were not with each other everyone else because

541
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 6: already only they no I know, yeah, and I were

542
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,719
Speaker 6: already non monogamous so we've already dealt with the idea

543
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 6: of jealousy.

544
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 5: You guys look like people and hooking up with each other.

545
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: Why when you came in, I was like, oh, yeah,

546
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: that experience too is interesting, right, And I gotta say,

547
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: like a lot of the things that you didn't like

548
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: when you watched it, I was like, Oh, this is

549
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: so real. You have the couple that Brittany John, the

550
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: black couple with anyone watching and can't remember their names

551
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: kind of want to try it. Then you have the

552
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: one that the white couple that that have been married

553
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: for years. They look like they just fucked people and

554
00:28:58,920 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: have fun.

555
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: Yep. And I was like that was all there was. Yeah,

556
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: they looked like that.

557
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 6: So now they're coming into polyamoryan where they have to

558
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 6: care about people's feelings, emotions, and generally.

559
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: Speaking, when people are queer or have a flexible gender identity,

560
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 2: you just know they're going to be more well versed.

561
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: And I think that that probably had something to do

562
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: with it.

563
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: But even right now, right I'm watching this show with

564
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: a partner I'm dating, and every single week I'm like, huh,

565
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: who would I be? Who would the person be? And

566
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: when I'm watching you two. I literally said to him, like,

567
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: now we gotta be like that. This is the central relationship.

568
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: I never want to be too worried about the other

569
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: person to the point where you start to lose it yourselves,

570
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: because that was the embarrassment in sometimes watching the other

571
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: gay couple on the right, it's like you get to

572
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: see this couple that was in love crumble, and I

573
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: don't like seeing that because to me, it almost tells

574
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: the public non monogamy is unhealthy.

575
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 2: So you kind of gotta have this like solid have.

576
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 6: A solid base before you someone else. And I think

577
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 6: that's also something about our relationship is we are consistently evolving,

578
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 6: so we start with one boundary, like from the beginning

579
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 6: of our relationship, we can only have this many das

580
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 6: a week or you know this many disappointments disappointments. Yeah,

581
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 6: but like it's for anybody. So it's like if you

582
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 6: want a DA like, oh, we'll limit it to one

583
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 6: a week, or like what are you comfortable with? Do

584
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 6: you want to know about it before or after? And

585
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 6: then slowly trying things.

586
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: It's true though, it's true, yes, but.

587
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 7: You know, like okay, back in the day in corporate

588
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 7: you know, I had my schedule.

589
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 8: I was very like by the hour.

590
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 7: So the fact that you bring up like one DA

591
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 7: a week is just like so cringe.

592
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 2: Wait tell us, what are your boundaries? How have they changed?

593
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 7: They definitely changed from there? Oh yes, we cannot. I

594
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 7: feel like I don't know the scheduling versus the spontaneity.

595
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 7: There has to be a balance of both when it

596
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 7: comes to like us kind of want pursue that sexual drive.

597
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 6: Especially from my way of getting about like quick hookups

598
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 6: and ashes way about getting hookups, Like it's very different.

599
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 4: I mean, I think they're just different for men in

600
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 4: comparison to like even if you're looking for men, they

601
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 4: want to sooner, right yeah, the women the glory hole

602
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 4: like grinder.

603
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 7: I don't want to go on the hinge jet because

604
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 7: that's who much works, and I just want to quick

605
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 7: as well sometimes, but there's always ones.

606
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: What build What are the current boundaries you have together?

607
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 3: For?

608
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 5: What are.

609
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: I'm just looking confused.

610
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 4: Hold on, hold on, I got a question that might

611
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 4: be a boundary. Hold on, And this is just a

612
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 4: spicy beau, because y'all are just so perfect. Here we go,

613
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 4: here we go.

614
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 5: And I found them.

615
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: It was like, oh, here to go.

616
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 4: So you both are probably open deal with same sex,

617
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 4: opposite sex.

618
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: It's whoever you fall in love with.

619
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 4: So you also meet people, maybe without each other, and

620
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 4: that's allowed. This is a question for both of you.

621
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 4: Your partner says they met someone out and about. This

622
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 4: could be a club, this could be in a work environment,

623
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 4: This could be at a goddamn bookstore. They have a

624
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 4: one night stand with this person and come to share

625
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 4: with you how absolutely incredible it is. Okay, they finally

626
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 4: share with you who they are and you find out

627
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 4: that it's your first cousin. Oh god, I would love

628
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 4: to know again, because the world is small. You show

629
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 4: them the Facebook, the Instagram, and you're like, bitch, that

630
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 4: is my family member.

631
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 5: Okay, I want to know how you respond.

632
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 4: So if they're allowed to keep sucking your first cousin,

633
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 4: we're talking about boundaries here.

634
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: What's the response here?

635
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 5: In our relationship?

636
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: Are your nails white and black?

637
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 5: Yeah? They are?

638
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 7: So?

639
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 2: Are your so?

640
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 6: In our current relationship in a perfect world, right for

641
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 6: both being good girls and boys, we always talk to

642
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 6: each other before ever like being sexual with.

643
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: Someone, pictures and everything.

644
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 6: Though, No, it's more like if ash were out at

645
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 6: a club, and let's say I'm not there or I'm

646
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 6: traveling and they're like, hey, like I want to go

647
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 6: out tonight and maybe meet someone.

648
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, go do it, do your thing.

649
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 6: Or if they meet someone and then text me like,

650
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 6: hey I met someone, is it okay? If this happens,

651
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 6: and then me in the moment, I'm like, okay, let

652
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 6: me assess. Can I support this? Yes, like, go off, girl,

653
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 6: have your fun. And so then finding out that it's

654
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 6: the first cousin or like my extrava brother, I think naturally,

655
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 6: there's always gonna be jealousy, especially I found when we're apart,

656
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 6: like there's so much more jealousy when we have our

657
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 6: own hookups than when we are together.

658
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Speaker 1: Yeah right, I mean, of course, but that is a

659
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: great point, you said sending pictures first. So we're in

660
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: the middle of writing this book, and I realized with

661
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: my ex girlfriend, something we enjoyed was like doing it

662
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: at the same time. She and I would be out

663
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: at the same time. I'd be like, oh my god,

664
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: I just met so and so, and it's just basic.

665
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: Haven't we did do it much? But that was the

666
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: most fun and it felt like, oh, now we can come.

667
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: Together about it. But when you're doing this, do you

668
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: get to bring them home? You guys share a home.

669
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 5: Like, what's that like?

670
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 9: Right?

671
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 7: So it's more I feel like, Okay, if one of

672
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 7: us is at home, the default probably option would be

673
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 7: you're traveling, you're gonna go to their place.

674
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 8: We're not hosting.

675
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 7: Oh, but if it's some of them, maybe would also

676
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 7: interest me. And I'm the one at home and Maxi's

677
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 7: out and saying like, oh, I'm having this great time.

678
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 7: Sometimes it can end with can you bring them home?

679
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 7: And then we'll have our like a little moment together

680
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 7: if they're all okay with it. But I feel like

681
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 7: it has been very much. We always try to if

682
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 7: the jealousy comes up or something, we'll also express that

683
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 7: and we'll be like, ooh, I think maybe that's because

684
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 7: I'm just like, I recognize that would be really fun

685
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 7: for me, and you know what, at that point, you

686
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 7: should enjoy that, And so we like process that one

687
00:34:54,840 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 7: out together. But what if though, we didn't have thepportunity

688
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 7: to tell each other and it was just like in

689
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 7: the moment, sexy hot.

690
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's what I'm saying. For being good boys

691
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 6: and girls that would never happen, but life happens. Things happen,

692
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 6: and if that did, of course there's gonna be a conversation.

693
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 6: There's gonna be jealousy. But I think that's the moment

694
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 6: where I take off my partner hat and I put

695
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 6: on my best friend hat and I'm like, Okay, how

696
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 6: can I be like Kei Ki Maxi.

697
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 5: Right now?

698
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 6: Like you know, that's how I want to show up

699
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 6: for in supporting like yes, like it was amazing, Like bitch,

700
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 6: what did you do? Did he eat your ass? Like

701
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 6: did you take it all? Did you pegnam? Like I'm

702
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 6: the one when whenever Ash has a hookup, I'm like, bitch,

703
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 6: tummy eth and Ashes like no, like I want to

704
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 6: like keep it to myself like sometimes and Ash sometimes

705
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 6: when I have a hookup, They're like, I don't want

706
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 6: to know anything.

707
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Speaker 4: Really, I think I think there is there is a

708
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Speaker 4: difference in receiving information.

709
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Speaker 2: Put y'all make sure you get your tickets now.

710
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Speaker 4: So May fifth, we are at the Earth Theater in

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Speaker 4: London's and we made this a specific request to be

712
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713
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715
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717
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718
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Speaker 1: We are having a whole new show, one that you

719
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Speaker 1: didn't see. This is a part of the Climax tour.

720
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Speaker 1: So even if you were on the Climax Tour and

721
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Speaker 1: you need a little trip, it's gonna be warmer, it's

722
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Speaker 1: gonna be fun.

723
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Speaker 2: Come through and see a that's right.

724
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Speaker 4: Make sure you head on over to horehive dot com

725
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Speaker 4: and get your tickets. Now, I think what I love

726
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 4: without even us falling into there, I had a vanilla shit.

727
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 4: The vanilla shit is actually that fomo is actually related

728
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 4: to sex. So what y'all are saying and fear of

729
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 4: missing out y'all know, we talk about fomo whether it's

730
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 4: at a party or missing a family gathering or things

731
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 4: like that, and fomo is actually about sex. Apparently, I

732
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 4: want to read this comes from b vibe, but also

733
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 4: a current research in behavioral sciences booh, not science. So

734
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 4: researchers actually started rate three hundred and twenty seven Americans

735
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 4: ages nineteen to sixty and measure their differences in attitudes, behaviors,

736
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 4: and desires towards short term mating. Participants also writed statements

737
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 4: like I can imagine myself being comfortable and enjoying casual

738
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 4: sex with different partners between one and nine, and we're

739
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 4: as to also rate levels of fomo to similar situations

740
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 4: between one and five. Fomo is intrinsically linked to anxiety

741
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 4: about missing a possibility, a possible opportunity for sex.

742
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 5: And so if your partner, if your partner is.

743
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 4: Having sex, that jealousy may not even come from the

744
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 4: act that you did it, but from the fact that

745
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 4: you weren't there, Especially as someone who enjoys having sex together.

746
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 6: That just brought up for me, like the idea of

747
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 6: fomo not only in sex, but how you found it

748
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 6: or how you went about it right, because I know

749
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 6: that Ash, And there was a time where we started

750
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 6: to have fomo for each other's kind of ways we

751
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 6: had to go about navigating because like me being a

752
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 6: queer man, I can go on Grinder, I can go

753
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 6: on Sniffies or whatever and find like somebody to hook

754
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 6: up with, and like could be thirty minutes, could be

755
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 6: an hour, but it could.

756
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 5: Like very much to be that week ahead.

757
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 6: I don't need to know your name, we don't have

758
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 6: to exchange a word, like nothing like that bleeding this week,

759
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 6: I gotta wait exactly, And so Ash is like, damn,

760
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 6: I wish I could like get it that quick sometimes

761
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 6: as like quickly have that hookup with someone, and then

762
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 6: for me, I'm like, oh, I'm tired of these like

763
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 6: transactional ass just boring ass like no connection hookups, Like

764
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 6: I want to meet somebody on hinge and like talk

765
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 6: to them a little bit and then like.

766
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 5: Get to know that.

767
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: I got a question. What about when you're ones more

768
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: horny than the other, do you have to take a

769
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: pause that week?

770
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 5: Yeah? Very much.

771
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: So.

772
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 7: Actually, we actually like have some months where I'm like,

773
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 7: this is my period week and I just need a

774
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 7: little bit more support, And the FOMO is like, also,

775
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 7: you know, I need you to also enjoy not doing

776
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 7: anything right now because I'm in pain.

777
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 2: Open and close the relationship.

778
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 5: Yeah.

779
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 7: Yeah.

780
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 6: It's very much like a check in day of like Babe,

781
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 6: like I'm really horny, I want a DA and they

782
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 6: might be like, you know, I could feel it. I'm

783
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 6: not feeling like a DA today. You go get your

784
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 6: own da on your own. I'm like, okay, cool, or

785
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 6: I'd be like, you know what, I just really miss us.

786
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 6: I want to connect with us. So I'm like, okay, word,

787
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 6: no problem, Like Dick will always be there.

788
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 2: I need.

789
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 5: I will a.

790
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 2: Sexy time when it's not hard to find, not hard

791
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 2: to time.

792
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: Tell us about a sexy time where you brought someone home,

793
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: maybe one of you was watching TV chilling, and then

794
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, I got somebody.

795
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 8: When you weren't when we weren't together, we weren't together.

796
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 8: Was there a time when we weren't together.

797
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 4: You brought some I was just like, they don't be

798
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 4: that sexy.

799
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 7: I just.

800
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: Tell us about anytime. Tell us the time where you're like, no, wait, can.

801
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 4: We can we talk about that? Yeah, we were in

802
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 4: a relationship where you go together. How how important is

803
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 4: it for you to have the same type and how

804
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 4: do you decide who compromises and who does it? Oh?

805
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 5: I love that. I feel like.

806
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 7: I feel like this like also just happened, but we

807
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 7: I feel like, come to the compromise of who really

808
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 7: gets to decide on, like who we want to explore

809
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 7: with is more so the one that I think either

810
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 7: proposes first, or is expressing a lot more of the horniness.

811
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 7: And then for me, I feel like, if it's not

812
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 7: someone I would maybe meet with alone, one on one,

813
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 7: then we're gonna be picking options. We're gonna go through

814
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 7: some options, we're gonna keep searching, but we're gonna keep

815
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 7: that one as an option in the way of I

816
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 7: see you, I see you where you're at, and this

817
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 7: is about us, it's not just about me. And so

818
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 7: if it happens to be that this is the person

819
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 7: that we want to explore more with.

820
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 4: Is this how you navigated this last one? I want

821
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 4: to hear the most recent time y'all had to navigate this.

822
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 5: Oh okay, come.

823
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: On last night. This is posting in a month or stuff.

824
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 4: So get story time, girl, let's let's get come on.

825
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they're nervous. It's okay. They were ugly, but the.

826
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 5: Wait, oh my god, so I just well I need beautiful.

827
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 8: Okay, the dick was amazing. Eleven out of ten.

828
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 5: Like the dick, but you know, not like to girthy

829
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 5: where you can't like like.

830
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 8: Deep throat that but not gag too much because it's

831
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 8: the girth.

832
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: So the dick was amazing.

833
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 4: Let's go into why you weren't interested ash and and

834
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 4: how y'all ended up?

835
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: How Dick?

836
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 7: So, Okay, we had met this person like months and

837
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 7: months ago, and it was like one of those nights,

838
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 7: and so we still had like the group chat of okay,

839
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 7: like we're joking around with this person like they're like

840
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 7: giving Daddy vibes, and we had this group chat still

841
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 7: and then they just spontaneously hit us up again and

842
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 7: sent us a beautiful Dick pic And it was there

843
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 7: in that moment, Max was like, oh, I remember this one,

844
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 7: like this is remember and I'm like.

845
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, but remember how like it's.

846
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 7: Been months because I have those X Like we had

847
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 7: those ex about things that they like noises they would make,

848
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 7: or like names that they would call us.

849
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 2: Do we hear the noises?

850
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 4: Like what not?

851
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: What kind of do we hear the noises? That turned you?

852
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 9: Well?

853
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: What is like me?

854
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:44,439
Speaker 6: Yeah?

855
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 9: And I was like ye, But then I was like

856
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 9: I'm like oh and me making out with them didn't

857
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 9: how it was like still making the noises, kissing yeah, wait.

858
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: Like grunting like oh I hate the animal girl.

859
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 10: Hate it.

860
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 6: But you sound like you're going like you're really stimulated and.

861
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 7: It's like now kind of performative. I don't know, you

862
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 7: seem like you need to just chill for a bit, dick.

863
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 5: So so he hit us though.

864
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 8: He hit us up, and in that moment last night,

865
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 8: I was like, yeah, it is.

866
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 5: A really great day you we're about to do your skincare.

867
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 7: I was about to do my skincare and I'm like,

868
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 7: I'm so tired. But then I know and recognize Maxie,

869
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 7: you know, for the last twenty two days, was like,

870
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 7: you know, I'm feeling some dick, and I'm like, yesterday

871
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 7: was a rough day for me at work, so we

872
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 7: didn't get to leave for that. Okay, I feel like

873
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 7: I can show up right now. This is so convenient.

874
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 7: The dick is there and I can forget some X

875
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 7: at a time. So that's when we compromise, and I'm like,

876
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 7: all right, we're not doing the skincare yet, let's hop

877
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 7: them over.

878
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 6: We're like you and we then we're like compromising, So

879
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,439
Speaker 6: how long is this going to be. We're like, let's

880
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 6: make it clear, we only have thirty minutes, like we're

881
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 6: taxing them. We are getting ready for bad minutes. Our

882
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 6: cutoff time. It's twelve fifty eight. I love that you

883
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 6: gotta go. Were just like haying around like okay, like

884
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 6: you should go. Instead, it could be like, oh my god,

885
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 6: it's left I'm feeling it. If we're really feeling it,

886
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 6: we can be like, oh it's okay.

887
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: I feel really good.

888
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 7: Right.

889
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 4: So I have a question before we get into our

890
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 4: ward because this was information shared on the show, and

891
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 4: I don't want to really even get much into the

892
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 4: show as much as I like, no, girl, just say

893
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 4: because I don't want to ask, we don't want to ask.

894
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: Let's be very clear, you really want to Let's be

895
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: very clear.

896
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 4: So it was announced that you first and only bottomed

897
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 4: for Ash.

898
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 6: My god, people don't believe that.

899
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 5: Okay to talk about it.

900
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 4: Mind you you saying you're talking about beautiful and Biden.

901
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: A legendly.

902
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 9: Now.

903
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 6: So that's the thing is like before, And it's interesting

904
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 6: because before Ash, I would hook up with guys, but

905
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 6: I would be more like, you know, like no kissing bro,

906
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 6: like you know, like we're just like sucking each other's dicks,

907
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 6: being doing like for play. I never even really was

908
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 6: too into topping guys. Honestly, I hadn't got over my

909
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 6: fear of the anus.

910
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 5: I guess you said you.

911
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: Had a lot of girlfriends another kind of makes sense.

912
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, So, like I knew my way around pussy, no problem,

913
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 6: but it was like when it came to guys, the

914
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 6: dick very familiar, the booty hole, that's where I get scared, right.

915
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 6: And so then after being with Ash and really education

916
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 6: and then I remember I had a roommate at the

917
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 6: time that taught me like, no, you don't just like

918
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 6: bottom out of nowhere like you have to like do

919
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 6: she had to clean yourself out. And so they taught

920
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 6: me what that was like. And so we spoke about it. Yeah, exactly.

921
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 6: So Ash picked out a new little toy, new strap on.

922
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 4: You picked it out and didn't let Maximo pick his

923
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 4: size that he felt comfortable with.

924
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 5: We start later.

925
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 8: We started with it was like just like a let's

926
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 8: try it out.

927
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 5: I have, but not in.

928
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 7: A way that I feel like really turns it with

929
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 7: Maxie when it's it's very gender for me when Maxie

930
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 7: and I like have that moment and I strap up.

931
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 7: But prior to MAXI it's just feeling like very that

932
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 7: top mask energy. Now it's like it feels like I'm

933
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 7: connected to this bitch still do and it's like very beautiful.

934
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 7: Sometimes I come faster with a dildo on versus without,

935
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 7: and it's like crazy.

936
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 5: It's all psychological, like can com.

937
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 8: And that's like you're not even you know.

938
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 5: Emotion Maximo, just sucking this.

939
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 8: But I'm actually like it.

940
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 7: Takes me time. So that's why I kind of gagged

941
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 7: the first time. I was like, wait did I It did?

942
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 6: And you just started leaking between your I love them

943
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 6: because connected.

944
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 4: Not only connected, I'm sure it's also which I'm a

945
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 4: very visual person, the simulation and so how I like

946
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 4: watching corners?

947
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, motherfucker called me basic conrol.

948
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 4: I like the boyer, but also watching watching someone somewhat

949
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 4: devour you. You take that control in a position that

950
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 4: most women don't get to sight.

951
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 7: Which is why the gag of all gags is when

952
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 7: we do glory holes and you're like, you never see

953
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 7: a pussy in that hole?

954
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 3: Right?

955
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 4: Can we hear about the gloryholes? I know we talked

956
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 4: about bushit, but wait the glory holes? So oh wait,

957
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 4: let me finish off the strap on real quick? Okay, Okay,

958
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 4: So then ash got the strap on.

959
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 6: They took my virginity because essentially, for me, I never

960
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 6: wanted to bottom for a guy because I just never

961
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 6: wanted to give a guy that side of me personally.

962
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,479
Speaker 6: I got really close with this guy that I started dating,

963
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 6: and I had thought about possibly bottoming, but it just

964
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 6: never happened. And so with Ash, after falling in love,

965
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 6: I'm like, Okay, finally I feel safe enough for someone

966
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 6: to like take my flower, you know what I mean.

967
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 6: And so she did and after that, now I've been

968
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 6: able to like experience dick and I don't feel like

969
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 6: attached to it. I'm like, girl, like, that's just another dick.

970
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 6: Like it's not the same. It's not the.

971
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 5: Same as like to it. It's another dick it is. Yeah.

972
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 5: So now getting into gloryholes, you both do gloriholes together,

973
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 5: you know, Okay.

974
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 7: So I started with having that little fomo jealousy of

975
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 7: how quick you can get it with like these different apps,

976
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 7: and one yes, very gender for me for me to

977
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 7: also not be playing on these apps, and also to

978
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 7: the fact that I can, like, I don't know, experience

979
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 7: something that's.

980
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 5: Very gay culture gloryholes.

981
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 7: Right, So I expressed one day when we have now

982
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 7: moved in together, like, you know, it would be really

983
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 7: hot if we like set one up here and nego

984
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 7: like talked about it with someone.

985
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 5: Slow down with this goddamn story.

986
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 4: So you didn't go anywhere in bushwell, you set updamn glory,

987
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 4: set one up home.

988
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 5: Let's let's let's get into that and scene. How do

989
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 5: you build it? How do you set it up?

990
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 7: We have the front door, got it, yeah, and we

991
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 7: got all the clan, like big clans, like the very

992
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 7: big one, so.

993
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: Like for when you're doing a photo shoot.

994
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, okay, And so we clamp a bed sheet

995
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 6: and took bed sheets and we cut a hole in

996
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 6: it at the right height, and so we clamp it

997
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 6: up onto our like I'm doing this and then on

998
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 6: to our like you know.

999
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 8: The one of the doors just.

1000
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 6: Like a support. So literally you walk in our front door.

1001
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 6: We shut all the lights off before, play a little music.

1002
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 6: We might live water or if I have some drink

1003
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 6: maybe like a little rum or something and a glass,

1004
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 6: I'm for you to drink whatever you want. And then

1005
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 6: we'll find somebody. We obviously we let them know where

1006
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 6: MF couple is what we say online because we don't

1007
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 6: want to confuse anybody. And then if they're interested, we'll

1008
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 6: be like yeah, like come stop drop by.

1009
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 5: This t it's a knock? Was there a certain knock

1010
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 5: that well?

1011
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 6: Was? The funny thing is you have to go through

1012
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 6: our security to go downstairs.

1013
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 7: So this guy so they don't know your names, but

1014
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 7: they know where you live, and they want to come up,

1015
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 7: and we're like, yeah, that's right up.

1016
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 5: That's them.

1017
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 8: Let them up, and then they'll knock.

1018
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 7: Maxie opens the door through this little hole and then

1019
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 7: we're on the other side and they can they just

1020
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,959
Speaker 7: now like be undressed. We've already talked about the fact

1021
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 7: that we're okay with like receiving servicing, et cetera.

1022
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 4: The do what you are performing oral on these or

1023
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 4: did you bend over with your whole take it?

1024
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 5: I've been yet. Actually I know I haven't taken anything. Yeah,

1025
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 5: through the glory hole, but I haven't. But through the

1026
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 5: glory hole.

1027
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 6: Typically, it's funny because when we're finding people online, first

1028
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 6: of all, they're gagging. They're like, wait, it's like it's

1029
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 6: a guy and a girl, can you send me pictures

1030
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 6: of the pussy? And then I'm like, they're not sending

1031
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 6: you nudes. They're like, well, how am I going to

1032
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 6: know it's it's a girl and the other and We're

1033
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 6: like me, you can eat first when you get here

1034
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 6: you want, and they're like yeah, sure. So as soon

1035
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 6: as they get there, they're like, yeah, let me like

1036
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 6: let me eat her pussy, and we're like okay. And

1037
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,439
Speaker 6: then they got and like okay, and then they're getting off.

1038
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 6: Now the guys they're getting off to not only being

1039
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 6: like pleasure through the gloryhole, but they're like, oh my god,

1040
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 6: there's a guy and girl and sometimes they'll be like okay,

1041
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 6: now now her second, Okay, now give it back to him.

1042
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 6: It's like, you know, it's really hot, like super cute,

1043
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 6: and you don't got to see their face.

1044
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 1: Even a threesome, but not having a three, you don't

1045
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: know what they look like.

1046
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 5: And just they just you ever see their pictures?

1047
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 8: I usually don't want to. The fantasy is that I

1048
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 8: don't see them.

1049
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, ash like yeah, boy doesn't like.

1050
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 7: To see that because if I see the face, then

1051
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 7: it's going to take longer to search, you know what

1052
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 7: I mean.

1053
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 5: It's true, like.

1054
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 8: What I'm here for the place.

1055
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 7: Convenience so nice, like so the gloryhole makes sense because

1056
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 7: now we all win.

1057
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 8: But that's that was really.

1058
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 2: They ever wanted to come around the curtain.

1059
00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 6: Now, we had one guy where where he started to

1060
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 6: like reach behind the curtain.

1061
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 8: And we're like, no, no, this is my.

1062
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 5: Thanks God, we've never had that happen yet.

1063
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 6: But yeah, we're just we are also.

1064
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 2: Not living life bit and y'all thought we was home.

1065
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 5: We're very selective. They are selective. They keep us safe.

1066
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 2: Nice, but it's.

1067
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 6: Like, you know, it's dedicated search time and like as

1068
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 6: soon as something that like turns you off for like,

1069
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 6: oh no, like this just doesn't feel right before.

1070
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 2: We get out of here.

1071
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 4: For people who may be as adventurous as y'all in

1072
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 4: couple format wanting to inviit strangers, how do you keep

1073
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 4: yourself safe?

1074
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 5: How do you what? What protective measures.

1075
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 2: Do you have? You have a gun? Probably not, don't

1076
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: say if you do, because but how.

1077
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 4: Do you protect yourself if someone is coming and maybe

1078
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 4: predatory or not.

1079
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 6: First of all, communication obviously, trust your gut. If you

1080
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 6: ever feel anything that's like unsafe, even in just chat,

1081
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 6: like you have every right to just blast, like you

1082
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 6: don't have to talk to anybody, and people start to

1083
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 6: get defensive or feel entitled to your time, that's a

1084
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 6: very big red flag for me.

1085
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 5: I'm like nope, no, thank you.

1086
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 6: Also, we're very fortunate to live in a nice building

1087
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 6: with the doorman, so we have that security. We have cameras,

1088
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 6: like there's kind of that stuff. But then also communicating

1089
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 6: with each other like are you getting tested, when's the

1090
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 6: last time you were tested?

1091
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 5: Do you practice safe sex?

1092
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 6: A lot of gays around prep and now they do

1093
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Speaker 6: like doxy PAP, So just like communicating that and then

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Speaker 6: us making sure that we're staying on our testing like

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Speaker 6: every two to three months, just like getting our rounds,

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Speaker 6: checking it out so that we're staying honest and safe

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Speaker 6: with other people.

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Speaker 5: I love that and shout out.

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Speaker 7: Actually, Chelsea Express Health Clinic they do free testings and

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Speaker 7: it's the same day results free and Chelsea Baby where

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Speaker 7: Chelsea Health Express clinicance?

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Speaker 2: Is it in Chelsea? Yeah? It is because the way

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Speaker 2: I've been paying two point fifty know they're good.

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Speaker 8: That's what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is the wait long.

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Speaker 7: No, so you gotta go at eight am open and

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00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 7: you'll be fine, and you just have to.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, I've been taking my coffee ship, but I just.

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Speaker 6: Want honestly, if you go a little later, just you'll

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Speaker 6: know you're in the right place because you'll see a

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Speaker 6: line of but queens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Chelsea.

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Speaker 5: Clinics.

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Speaker 2: But it's that easy. I don't want to there. Calm down,

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Speaker 2: let me go get my test in the queen first, right.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: I know you. Literally my man went to go get

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Speaker 1: tested at the playing parent her. The other was like,

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Speaker 1: let's start with some fresh results. And I was thinking

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Speaker 1: I never had to get an abortion as much as

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Speaker 1: we talk about this ship because I've been to the

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Speaker 1: guy I know, the walking empty where they've known me,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, where.

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Speaker 2: Am I going to get the abortion when I don't

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Speaker 2: know me?

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Speaker 1: I know that sounds crazy. I'm not planning it like

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Speaker 1: a birthday party. I'm just saying if I had to.

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Speaker 5: I'm not trying to be said, Oh, I ain't gonna

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Speaker 5: hold you.

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Speaker 4: I actually was trying to go out to like Queens

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Speaker 4: where I don't want to say your people, but I

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Speaker 4: don't want to be around we're all let me Todd,

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Speaker 4: I don't want to.

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Speaker 2: Run across no matter. You gotta go up to Yeah,

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Speaker 2: d girls trip, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Girls trip for test results before we gave here though.

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Speaker 1: Family planning, do you guys want to have kids?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Ashes, actually yeah, we're trying to figure that out more seriously,

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Speaker 7: so me getting healthcare now, I'm gonna like try to

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Speaker 7: look at freezing my eggs and I feel like that's

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Speaker 7: just naturally like having the option to give life, like

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Speaker 7: that would be amazing. But I just feel like at

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Speaker 7: that time being trans masked being pregnant. I mean, that's

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Speaker 7: like I'm God like that would be amazing.

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Speaker 1: But both I'm gonna say this though, it's crazy freezing

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00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 1: your eggs while having a partner. No one talks about that. Yeah,

1148
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 1: they always think, oh, you're lucky you have someone. What

1149
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Speaker 1: a great thing to hear come out of your mouth.

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Speaker 1: For real, because so many women are watching this and

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Speaker 1: thinking they have to freeze because they're single, not because

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Speaker 1: they have they haven't enjoyed their relationship.

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Speaker 4: Let's be very clear politically, we are in an election year.

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Speaker 4: There are certain states now looking to literally remove the

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Speaker 4: option of freezing eggs because they say that it's.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 4: But Bushwick, we we I we we need a part two,

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Speaker 4: even if when you guys have one, but if not

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Speaker 4: with love a part two, even if we do Patreon,

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Speaker 4: but also.

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Speaker 2: I have your email. I want to come to the

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Speaker 2: next Lucia party. I haven't been to a queer party.

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Speaker 7: Next month there will be more to come. I'll be

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Speaker 7: on Instagram talking about it. But I'm actually meeting with

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Speaker 7: morgana tomorrow talk.

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Speaker 2: And thank you you're saying yes, by the way, I

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Speaker 2: did not expect you to say.

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Speaker 5: I got Are you kidding?

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Speaker 8: Are you kidding?

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Speaker 1: I think reality TV people are very The network really

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00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: freaks them out from exploring. And also you don't know

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Speaker 1: what someone's trying to do.

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Speaker 4: So I really appreciate you see you know and be

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00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,439
Speaker 4: prepared for everyone to hit your dms trying to fuck.

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Speaker 4: I would love though, for your next party opening it

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Speaker 4: up to our Patreon community. Just invite more before high members.

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Speaker 4: They're definitely familiar with Susia. Susia has also been featured

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Speaker 4: on Sex Cells her Sean Fuse. So love creating like

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00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 4: more of an ecosystem of a more more people that

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Speaker 4: understand this lifestyle, that are exploring this lifestyle and it

1181
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Speaker 4: truly can be open to being comfortable with more.

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Speaker 2: Like minded people.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, So if you can, can you let everyone know

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Speaker 5: where they can follow you and spot in them d ms?

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Speaker 8: Yes, you can catch me on Instagram at eat my

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Speaker 8: Ash Lee, wait, wait for real?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that is I.

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Speaker 7: I was dying for like two days when I thought, okay,

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Speaker 7: this is it and I was like to do a

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Speaker 7: great time I say it, I'm like, oh that makes

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Speaker 7: me really happy.

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Speaker 5: It's like how I felt.

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Speaker 2: But we came up with horrible decisions like it's good

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Speaker 2: everybody named pissat.

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Speaker 5: Great Maximo and I am maximum extravaganza.

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Speaker 2: It's okay, it's.

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Speaker 5: What's what's par two? We gotta do this.

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Speaker 6: But absolutely, if you're out there, if you're in New York,

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Speaker 6: if you want to experience a queer play party, a

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Speaker 6: truly queer play party, and a safe space, Susia and

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Speaker 6: Susia queer, just to give you an idea, you have

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Speaker 6: like a mixer, then you have a consent speech where

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Speaker 6: then we talk about the rules of the space and

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00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 6: then we open it up to like safe play. But

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Speaker 6: it's very much about enthusiastic consent and decolonizing like race,

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00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 6: sex and gender. So honestly, that's.

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Speaker 2: A very decolonizing couch.

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Speaker 5: Very much and Ash, thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 5: us here on horrible decisions. Thanks.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you want more information about their

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Speaker 4: parties or also our bonus content. Make sure you join

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Speaker 4: us at patreon dot com backslash Horrible Decisions. If you're

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Speaker 4: on our YouTube, you may be able to watch some

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Speaker 4: clips as well as listen to a clip right after

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Speaker 4: this episode. But thank you guys for supporting. Thank you

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Speaker 4: guys for listening. This has been yet another episode of

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Speaker 4: Horrible Decisions.

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Speaker 2: See you in London. Bye, hey guys.

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Speaker 1: See this one of our most popular episodes you've ever had.

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Speaker 1: We're guests with disabilities, and I think it's because.

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Speaker 2: You know, everybody's curious.

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Speaker 1: We all want to know, and it's like this is

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Speaker 1: like our secret way of figuring out this is your

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Speaker 1: dick work.

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Speaker 10: You hear man, I don't want to keep it focky

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Speaker 10: with you listen, I back. I was final core injury.

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Speaker 11: When I was eighteen, I was in a football scholarship

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Speaker 11: and a lady was texting and driving and ran me

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Speaker 11: off the road right after practice and I broke my

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Speaker 11: naked two places.

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Speaker 2: Now your name is Fletcher. Let's start with that.

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Speaker 10: Fletcher.

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Speaker 1: You're known on IG as Rolling on Faith, but some

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Speaker 1: people call you the wheelchair nomad.

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Speaker 2: Is that right?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: Correct? Correct?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, i' obtain a nickname the wheelchair Nomad because I

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Speaker 11: do a lot of traveling and moving and grooving.

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Speaker 2: How long have you been to say, like, how old

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Speaker 2: are you?

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Speaker 10: I'm thirty one, twelve twelve, my birthday coming up thirty two,

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Speaker 10: I know, right, getting old? Getting oh for real, for real?

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: You said, like, you know, the texting and driving, which

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01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: is so crazy because we we take for granted so much,

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Speaker 1: like we're like technology, you know what I mean, and

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01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: like actually having an experience just to drive and not

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01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: text people can't do anymore. When it happened to you,

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Speaker 1: did you think that there was a chance that you

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Speaker 1: would walk again?

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Speaker 9: Like?

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Speaker 2: What was that experience?

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Speaker 9: Like?

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Speaker 11: Oh, well, of course, you know, saying being eighteen years young,

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Speaker 11: you have the idealization like, damn, like I really can't walk,

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Speaker 11: you know what I'm saying, And especially being an athlete,

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Speaker 11: like I've rely on my physical capabilities my entire life,

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Speaker 11: and I was blessed enough to receive a football scholarship.

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Speaker 11: And then when my physical ability was taken away, I

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Speaker 11: was like, damn, what I'm gonna do now? But you know,

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Speaker 11: fortunately my parents are still education inside of me. So

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Speaker 11: I went back to college and got a degree in

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Speaker 11: computer science. But it was it was tough in the beginning,

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Speaker 11: and because that's the main goal, It's like, all right,

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Speaker 11: I need to walk.

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Speaker 10: I need to walk. I need to walk. I need

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Speaker 10: to walk. But then you start to learn what it

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Speaker 10: really means to be paralyzed. It was like, before I walked,

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Speaker 10: maybe I she'll learn how to put my shirt on first,

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Speaker 10: Maybe she'll learn how to give myself dressed. You know,

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Speaker 10: it's like levels to it. It ain't just like not

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Speaker 10: being able to walk.

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Speaker 1: What were basic things that you like that were super

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Speaker 1: frustrated And I'm sure you know. I mean it's been

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Speaker 1: what twelve thirteen.

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Speaker 10: Years now, thirteen years?

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: What was something basic that you were like, fuck, I

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Speaker 1: can't do this, And it was difficult for you basic

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Speaker 1: needs with yourself in.

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Speaker 11: The beginning of like now that I'm thirty thirty one,

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Speaker 11: because it changed throughout the times, does so like you know,

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Speaker 11: like being honest, like when I was eighteen, I got

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Speaker 11: hurt and then you paralyzed.

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Speaker 10: First day eighteen yard think can I still have six?

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Speaker 10: Like that's the first day you started thinking that?

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Speaker 2: Was you fucking that young?

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Speaker 10: When did you start fucking now that? You can't tell nobody,

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Speaker 10: But I lost my virginia at fourteen.

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Speaker 2: That ain't that man?

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Speaker 10: Wow, it is that was too young to be doing

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Speaker 10: what I was doing. I never forget boys, it's best. Yeah.

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Speaker 10: I got here for the first time in seventh grade

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Speaker 10: and I lost my virginia in the eighth grade.

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Speaker 2: Yep, that's not about you didn't think it is your

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Speaker 2: dick on work? But did it work?

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Speaker 10: What's so? That's what you know?

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Speaker 11: You go to the doctors and they give you all

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Speaker 11: you know, the blue diamonds and all see alicis and

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Speaker 11: all that stuff.

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Speaker 10: So you know, everybody's body is different. So what it

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Speaker 10: might work to oh, yeah, you get it right to it? Well,

1313
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 10: I was still fresh in my injury.

1314
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 11: So like after like a year of like, all right,

1315
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 11: before you start thinking about that, let's work on therapy,

1316
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 11: you know what I'm saying.

1317
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 5: So after that accident, you went a year then not

1318
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 5: having sex because they wanted to.

1319
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 10: Yeah, I would say, I would say like a year.

1320
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 10: I would say, like a year and a half. Yeah,

1321
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 10: did you did you have.

1322
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 4: Any xs that you was fucking before the injury that

1323
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 4: came back and fucked you after the injury?

1324
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 10: Now to give you pity, no, not not not not

1325
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 10: before and not before and after. I wish, but not

1326
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:44,959
Speaker 10: before and after.

1327
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 11: So like, unfortunately the situation I was involved in, just

1328
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 11: being young, she ended up breaking up with me when

1329
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 11: I was in the hospital.

1330
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 10: And uh no she didn't. I won't even call her that.

1331
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 10: She she good people.

1332
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 2: She was just young. How did she do it? How

1333
01:03:58,320 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 2: does she do it?

1334
01:03:58,960 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 9: No?

1335
01:03:59,160 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 5: Fuck her?

1336
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 10: See, I ain't that type of nigga. I can't do

1337
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 10: it like that, Like I can't. You know what I'm saying.

1338
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 10: I can do it. That's still my homie.

1339
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 11: She was just like because I was a freshman in college,

1340
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 11: she was a senior in high school, and she was

1341
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 11: just like, you know, Flitch, everybody's been coming up to

1342
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 11: me house, Flitch house, flitch.

1343
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 10: I've had to shake into therapy.

1344
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 5: I can't.

1345
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 11: I just need a break from everything, you know. I

1346
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 11: think it's the best if we just, you know, take

1347
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 11: some time apart. And I was like, bitch, I mean

1348
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 11: I see you, Like I didn't what like, this ain't

1349
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 11: the time for this at least wait till I got

1350
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 11: to the regular room that far.

1351
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 10: I'm like, she could have waited a little bit when

1352
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:37,439
Speaker 10: I get it, you know what I'm saying.

1353
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 11: Like, plus being that quote unquote star athlete and then

1354
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 11: being paralyzed, you think, you know, she eighteen, She don't

1355
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 11: have to take care of this nigga.

1356
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 10: She don't have to do this, She don't have to

1357
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 10: do that. But then the nigga bossed up and was like, Okay,

1358
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 10: damn matn flesh, you right here doing these things