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Speaker 1: and the official Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones,
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Speaker 3: And it's time for another week of fun on mix Shots,
Speaker 3: or another hour of fun this week mix Shots Here
Speaker 3: inside the SWBC podcast studio, Bill Jones, Everson Walls, and
Speaker 3: Mickey Spagnola. The star of the show wearing his cowboy
Speaker 3: blue with a big ol' star on his left chest.
Speaker 2: And there's football players on the football field.
Speaker 3: There are well, there was a tour workouts. There was
Speaker 3: a tour going by, and so I couldn't stand there
Speaker 3: and watch and see what playing. It looks like a
Speaker 3: ragtag group.
Speaker 2: Actually, well you guys.
Speaker 4: No, no, not the tour. Good people are good people,
Speaker 4: My people. Now, the guys out there, they just all
Speaker 4: kind of nobody had on anything.
Speaker 2: Blue, you know what I mean, So you'll look like cowboy.
Speaker 2: You'll appreciate this.
Speaker 5: So watching the rehab group, which in the morning, as
Speaker 5: we've seen Sam Williams and that John the tight End,
Speaker 5: Steven Stephens Stephens always.
Speaker 2: I always forget.
Speaker 3: I want to say Phillipsodan Stephens.
Speaker 2: Yes, brother or brother half brother?
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: Out there watching the workout was Charles Haley.
Speaker 3: Okay, so Charles.
Speaker 2: Here first thing in the morning, keeping an eye on
Speaker 2: Sam Williams.
Speaker 4: He's going to work out in the workout in.
Speaker 2: No, he's standing there.
Speaker 5: His workout in was last week when I said the
Speaker 5: apocalypse is upon us. He had two grandchildren he was watching.
Speaker 5: They couldn't have been more than two three years old,
Speaker 5: and he's chasing them around on the field and he.
Speaker 4: Kind of picks, you know, kind of like what he
Speaker 4: used to do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, truly too. I said, all the world's ready to
Speaker 5: end as somebody's trust in him with grandkids.
Speaker 3: He's granddad.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so there was football people out there.
Speaker 3: All right, very good man. It's a beautiful day, beautiful week.
Speaker 3: How's your bracket doing.
Speaker 2: I didn't do one.
Speaker 3: He didn't do one. I did one. And it's actually
Speaker 3: doing better with this transfer portal and nil stuff. There
Speaker 3: aren't as many upsets as what.
Speaker 2: They're well they're having.
Speaker 3: It has got all the power forward teams that are
Speaker 3: in the sweet Sea.
Speaker 5: There's been one and it's too soon to talk about it. Okay,
Speaker 5: what I said, there's been one upset and I said its.
Speaker 3: Missouri, Missouri, Colorado State. Drake Drake, Oh, Drake, coach just
Speaker 3: got a new job. He's now the Iowa coach.
Speaker 2: He got Thank you, he got the job.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I always said to show me, I'll show you, I'll
Speaker 3: take care of Missouri.
Speaker 2: And now he's so he just moved right down the road.
Speaker 3: That's right, Yep, yep. All right. So there's plenty to
Speaker 3: get to, yes, and but off the top, let's pay
Speaker 3: tribute to one of the great sports broadcasters of our
Speaker 3: era who passed away at the age of ninety nine yesterday,
Speaker 3: the great Bill Mercer, who was the Cowboys, the voice
Speaker 3: of the Cowboys back in the late sixties and early seventies.
Speaker 3: He was actually the original radio voice of the Texas
Speaker 3: Rangers baseball team too, in nineteen seventy two. Some of
Speaker 3: you may remember him as being the voice of World
Speaker 3: Class Wrestling Saturday Night Wrestling on Channel eleven, and he's
Speaker 3: probably best remembered for that. And then University of North Texas.
Speaker 3: There have been so many sports broadcasters who come out
Speaker 3: of that school and it's basically the Bill Mercer school
Speaker 3: of sports broadcasting.
Speaker 2: And he did a heck of a job.
Speaker 5: And I didn't realize before the Cowboys JFK, JFK and
Speaker 5: the Dallas Texans. Okay, Douglas had a cut from him
Speaker 5: selling tickets. It was a promo radio promo for the Dallas.
Speaker 3: Texans, the American Football League, Dallas Texans.
Speaker 5: But he also has and I think Chris has it,
Speaker 5: probably ready to go, a play by play cut from
Speaker 5: the Cowboys Super Bowl victory against Miami Dolphins back in
Speaker 5: would have been January of seventy two.
Speaker 2: Correct tracks in.
Speaker 6: A tight end on the right side, Thomas Garrison of
Speaker 6: the backfield.
Speaker 7: All words of them.
Speaker 6: Both tight ends are enough. Garrison right, Thomas left, second
Speaker 6: to go a three yard line saw back looks to
Speaker 6: this left, check to the right at the three. Bet
Speaker 6: you out of Thomas. Dwayne up inside of the five
Speaker 6: with the rake Thomas.
Speaker 8: He made a great move on ton of Connie, fired
Speaker 8: in to the blackfield. Think bring Wayne Thomas left one
Speaker 8: side of it, lancedalwarth It looks like the true fatty
Speaker 8: and he goes lathy off the field, lapping.
Speaker 6: His hands together.
Speaker 8: Three The Cowboys and wracked them.
Speaker 6: Up down to sixteen to three dry for extra point
Speaker 6: by Clark. It's up, but it's cut Nollas seventeen Miami three.
Speaker 4: All right, that's when Tom Lander was in a good move.
Speaker 2: Wow you think, Yeah, he was never in a good
Speaker 2: mood after the great.
Speaker 3: Names on that bought a Connie Nick Wanna. Connie started
Speaker 3: with Billy Truex was the tidy end for the cowboy
Speaker 3: Allworth Glance Awworth. Dwayne. He did say Dwayne to Dwayne. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was on her first name, base Wayne, Dwayne. He
Speaker 3: was the only guy in the building that was on
Speaker 3: her first name.
Speaker 5: Base Teammates that that cut sounds like somebody talking about
Speaker 5: Babe Ruth hitting a home run.
Speaker 2: You know that old voice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the quick, the quick, Yeah. The boys Yeah, and
Speaker 4: all of them like this as if they were Ye.
Speaker 4: They were in the choir.
Speaker 9: Like Lindsay Nelson at the night. Some of them for
Speaker 9: cutting Lord Johnny Moss out of the twenty five yard line,
Speaker 9: one of the Mos out of the fifteen yard line,
Speaker 9: Johnny Mousso into the ends, one touchdown out of my may.
Speaker 4: So that's that Oklahoma accent Muskegee Muscogee, Oklahoma.
Speaker 3: Muscog Yeah, and Okie from Muscogee.
Speaker 5: He's in the Muscogee High School Athletics Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3: All right, so he was a ballplayer too. I guess, well,
Speaker 3: you know what.
Speaker 5: And I also read I didn't realize this. He during
Speaker 5: World War Two.
Speaker 9: He was.
Speaker 5: In service for three years on a ship and one
Speaker 5: of those PT votes too during the whole too.
Speaker 3: So he was born in nineteen twenty six. My mom
Speaker 3: was born in moschool was from Muscoogee, Oklahoma too, really
Speaker 3: about that same era. Not surprised.
Speaker 4: It was something about Oklahoma was was going to grab
Speaker 4: him again. He's going to grab us again with something
Speaker 4: about this.
Speaker 3: My dad from Okema, Oklahoma, just down the road from
Speaker 3: Troy Yeigman's hometown of Henrietta, Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: Ninety nine years.
Speaker 3: Ninety nine years old. And I actually you remember listening,
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And I was going to mention first that
Speaker 3: I actually it was just a couple of years ago,
Speaker 3: maybe during COVID. Exchanged some emails with Bill Mercer. I
Speaker 3: know what it was. I was trying to track down
Speaker 3: he did. He He was the Ranger's voice on when
Speaker 3: David Clyde made his debut and in nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 3: So this is just a couple of years ago, and
Speaker 3: I was trying to track down from a guy who
Speaker 3: was mentored by Bill Mercer, Mike Kapps, who was a
Speaker 3: longtime radio voice of the Round Rock Express anyway, and
Speaker 3: so he got me in touch with Bill Mercer and
Speaker 3: we exchanged emails. And what I was amazed about with
Speaker 3: him was, I mean, at the time, he's ninety seven
Speaker 3: years old, and he was sharp as attack, even just
Speaker 3: with emails, you know, and that sort of thing. But
Speaker 3: I answer your question, I remember as a kid in
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy two first Rangers game ever was. It was
Speaker 3: a week night game on the West Coast at Anaheim
Speaker 3: against the California Angels, and Bill Mercer and Don Drysdale
Speaker 3: were the announcers. Oh way, yep, And I remember it
Speaker 3: was a school night and so I went to bed
Speaker 3: with the transistor radio under my pillow basically and listening
Speaker 3: to the Rangers.
Speaker 2: Did you guys, did you listen to radio?
Speaker 4: I did not listen to radio, but I was a
Speaker 4: wrestling uh aficionado Fishonado and I was a major fan
Speaker 4: of while who McDaniel.
Speaker 3: Oklahoma sooner, while who McDaniel, Yeah, play football. This guy
Speaker 3: and the Death Erics. Bill Mercer was very close with
Speaker 3: Von Erics.
Speaker 4: But I mean I was, you know, young enough to
Speaker 4: where you know, the dad was still in good shape.
Speaker 3: And did you watch it on Saturday nights? Yes, I
Speaker 3: did too.
Speaker 4: That was my grandmother. She died at one hundred and
Speaker 4: four years old. But she would sit there and she
Speaker 4: would press her hair at night. You know, we had
Speaker 4: the women had the hot comb and they would she
Speaker 4: would just sit there and just she was fall asleep
Speaker 4: watching wrestling, and me and my my cousin, who was
Speaker 4: you know, her grandson, we would you just go at
Speaker 4: it all the time in that room while she's over
Speaker 4: there watching wrestling. She fall asleep watching wrestling. And then
Speaker 4: we would be in acting. We're acting what we just
Speaker 4: saw on TV. So we're wrestling on the floor, and
Speaker 4: then she would get mad at us.
Speaker 3: She would hit us with something.
Speaker 4: I don't know what she would hit us with, but
Speaker 4: hit us with another hot and you guys stopped doing
Speaker 4: on it. So every Saturday night man grandmother's house watching.
Speaker 3: Bill Mercer at the North Side Coliseum in Mortatory, mos too.
Speaker 3: But the one, the one that was on TV was
Speaker 3: at the North side Colisee or that's where I fell
Speaker 3: in love with Killer Kowalski. Remember that dominal claw killer
Speaker 3: Colonel Coler. It was a spoiler, know that Van Eric
Speaker 3: had the iron cloth?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, it was the spoiler was the mask.
Speaker 2: He had the mask, and.
Speaker 4: They always tried to take off the mask and would
Speaker 4: just get right there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wa got love it scars. There was now the
Speaker 3: one that wore mask.
Speaker 5: And uh yeah, so we should have a special guest
Speaker 5: here that we should knows quite a bit about Bill Mercer.
Speaker 5: If Chris has online, yeah, you said next segment, next second,
Speaker 5: all right, second segment, So I called.
Speaker 2: Him the second thing we do.
Speaker 3: Okay, he just felt.
Speaker 4: All right, we'll take He just felt left out of
Speaker 4: the conversation.
Speaker 3: That's all.
Speaker 4: We didn't talk.
Speaker 3: Do you want to take an early break, then let's
Speaker 3: do that. Okay, we're going to take an early break.
Speaker 5: And who do you want to yes, especially half a
Speaker 5: North Texas alone George Dunham, who at one point was
Speaker 5: the Texas Stadium uh pa announcer and uh knows Bill
Speaker 5: Mercer quite well.
Speaker 3: All right, so George Dunham joins us as we go
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Speaker 3: All right, very good, All right, we continue with mixed shots.
Speaker 3: In a moment. We'll be joined by George Dunham and
Speaker 3: we'll talk about the legacy of Bill Mercer, one of
Speaker 3: the early Cowboys play by play men and a mentor
Speaker 3: to so many in the sports broadcasting community in North Texas.
Speaker 3: In the meantime, Cowboys have a couple of gaping holes
Speaker 3: on their roster. As we reached sort of the end
Speaker 3: of free agency. It's not over yet, obviously, guys can
Speaker 3: be signed at a moment's notice. We're through the first wave.
Speaker 3: We might be through the second wave already by now
Speaker 3: and there, with the exception of Will Greer, there's not
Speaker 3: a backup quarterback on this team and a second wide
Speaker 3: receiver is another what I would say is a gaping hole.
Speaker 5: Yes, because the New Orleans Saints just signed Brandon Cook's
Speaker 5: Cooks two year deals.
Speaker 3: Where he started at the first round draft pick. It
Speaker 3: started his career. That was the news on Friday. So
Speaker 3: it's going to be word to stay stay here. Yep,
Speaker 3: he wanted to stay. Yeah, but.
Speaker 5: Up to thirteen million. I don't think the Cowboys were
Speaker 5: going there.
Speaker 12: Man.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, what is he thirty thirty one, thirty.
Speaker 3: One something in that range? Yep, so fourteen. He was
Speaker 3: a young guy from the end of the league in
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen.
Speaker 5: Three years, one year with the Patriots, two years with
Speaker 5: the Rams, three years with the Texans, and then so
Speaker 5: two years.
Speaker 3: What did they get with the Calviny it was two
Speaker 3: years up to thirteen million. I don't know what. I
Speaker 3: haven't seen what the he has seen the guarantee.
Speaker 2: But and this last year, remember he he only played
Speaker 2: in eight games.
Speaker 3: He uh half a season with like twenty six catches.
Speaker 4: That's because they worked in the death off season twenty
Speaker 4: six they worked in the death in training camp.
Speaker 2: No, what happened was he did that deal.
Speaker 5: He was getting those blood platelet injections in his knee,
Speaker 5: and it was after the fourth game against the Giants, and.
Speaker 4: He messed up his knee in training camp. He did
Speaker 4: because he was getting his ass worked off spags. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, no, CD, that's all came from training camp.
Speaker 4: Let's just call it like it was.
Speaker 2: And then he tried to do the injecting.
Speaker 3: Reason that Kyrie got hurt, right, got carried the.
Speaker 5: Loads, he tried to do the injection, and he ended
Speaker 5: up with an infection, and then the knee really never
Speaker 5: came around to the point where he was brandan Cook's,
Speaker 5: which was a shame. He was a good guy in
Speaker 5: the lock.
Speaker 4: He was having a hell of a training camp as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, remember I was saying just what a player he was.
Speaker 5: Because I remember talking to Dac about it, and Dak
Speaker 5: pointed out that, you know, he got off to a
Speaker 5: slow start the year before he goes, But when you're
Speaker 5: throwing the ball to CD and you know everything we're doing,
Speaker 5: he didn't get much of an opportunity. Plus he got
Speaker 5: there late. I think he missed most of the off season.
Speaker 5: So but yeah, he goes. Now you can see what
Speaker 5: he can do with no CD there, and then unfortunately
Speaker 5: the net thing cropped.
Speaker 3: Up and the great influence on those young receivers in
Speaker 3: the Cowboys locker room. I mean, you look at the
Speaker 3: at the receivers the Cowboys have, and obviously behind CD,
Speaker 3: who turns twenty six April eighth, by the way, Cavante,
Speaker 3: Cavante turns twenty nine in August. But beyond that, and
Speaker 3: of course Cavante's just three years into the league now.
Speaker 3: Jayleen Tolbert going into his free agent year, by the way,
Speaker 3: by the way, contract year, he just turned twenty six.
Speaker 3: Jalen Brooks turns twenty five, and May Ryan Illinois an
Speaker 3: older player coming into the league, is a rookie last year.
Speaker 3: He actually is twenty five years old. Jonathan Mingo turned
Speaker 3: twenty four last week. And then Paris Campbell was signed
Speaker 3: the veteran at the veteran minimum and he's twenty seven
Speaker 3: years old in the second round. Hasn't done much at
Speaker 3: all in the league so far.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't get much of an opportunity in Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: All right, that's an ugly list right then, And so
Speaker 3: that's that's what I'm saying. That's a gaping hole behind
Speaker 3: there is a NFL draft, Okay, drafts a draft, but
Speaker 3: I think they need a veteran guy. And that is
Speaker 3: an ugly list right there. I think there's a Tyler
Speaker 3: Lockett that needs to come into that locker.
Speaker 2: Was a couple of veterans. They're ready to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right. We now are joined by a very
Speaker 3: special guest. Do you believe in the mean green George? Yeah,
Speaker 3: George Dunham from sports Radio. Well it was thirteen ten.
Speaker 3: Now what's the what is it now? Ninety six point seven.
Speaker 7: Ninety six seven? Yeah, you can say the ticket. Okay,
Speaker 7: whatever you want to call us, we'll answered it. Just
Speaker 7: about anything.
Speaker 3: From the ticket, George. You got Bill Jones, You've got
Speaker 3: Everson Walls, and you've got Mickey Spagnola. How are you doing?
Speaker 7: Gosh, I never thought i'd have a day where I
Speaker 7: got to talk to Everson Walls.
Speaker 4: That was going on.
Speaker 7: How you doing? But how number twenty four? Absolutely? Yeah,
Speaker 7: I'm doing great.
Speaker 4: By the way, almost all of my family went to
Speaker 4: North Texas, So is that right? You were in good company,
Speaker 4: from my oldest sisters to my youngest niece.
Speaker 3: By the way, that's awesome, awesome. But here's the big
Speaker 3: news last night. North Texas advanced right in it. They're
Speaker 3: into the quarterfinals, going up to still Wat Oklahoma to
Speaker 3: face Oklahoma State on Tuesday night. Tomorrow night'll be packed.
Speaker 4: He's coming from North Texas and Oklahoma.
Speaker 3: Well, no one, no one from still Water be there.
Speaker 7: But yeah, they need to rename the tournament the North
Speaker 7: Texas Invitational.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 7: Tournament's right.
Speaker 3: They won the one at all with Grant McCaslin, who's
Speaker 3: now the Texas Tech coach, as the Red Raiders into
Speaker 3: the Sweet sixteen facing coach cal In Arkansas on Thursday.
Speaker 3: But George, the reason we've got you here is to
Speaker 3: reminisce a little bit about a guy who is very
Speaker 3: important in your life and of course as a former
Speaker 3: Cowboys radio voice going back to the late sixties and
Speaker 3: early seventies, a great impact on so many sports broadcasters
Speaker 3: and came out of the University of North Texas or
Speaker 3: going back in the day, North Texas State University, the
Speaker 3: great Bill Mercer. Let's let's talk about Bill Mercer and
Speaker 3: his impact on you.
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I found out yesterday. I guess Dave Barnett,
Speaker 7: who's now the voice of the Mean Green contact to
Speaker 7: me and told me the news, and you know, it
Speaker 7: was said, there's been a real emptiness uh for a
Speaker 7: lot of us, even though Bill was at the age
Speaker 7: of ninety nine. What an incredible life. Even so you
Speaker 7: just he just thought, those are the guys that are
Speaker 7: you know that they're always going to be there.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 7: What a life he had, and what a broadcasting life
Speaker 7: he had. Bill was just a really kind, kind spirit
Speaker 7: and teacher. And I think, you know, with all the
Speaker 7: accolades and we can talk wrestling and cowboys in Dallas,
Speaker 7: Texas and Chicago White Sox and and all that, but uh,
Speaker 7: he was but you know he was. He was an
Speaker 7: instructor at North Texas and the class he taught was
Speaker 7: Sports Broadcasting thirty three thirty. It's still taught today by
Speaker 7: my good friend Hank Dickinson. And when you took that class,
Speaker 7: it was like a rite of passage. You know. I'm
Speaker 7: now in a classroom where where Craig Way once sat,
Speaker 7: and Dave Barnett and Ted Davis who was a longtime
Speaker 7: voice of the Mavericks and Milwaukee Bucks, and David Hatchett
Speaker 7: and all these names that we heard about. Phillis George,
Speaker 7: the first female network sportscaster was influenced by Bill and
Speaker 7: his tutelage at North Texas. And this is not an exaggeration.
Speaker 7: He impacted thousands of lives. And maybe they didn't go
Speaker 7: into broadcasting, maybe they went into something else, or maybe
Speaker 7: they never got in front of the camera or in
Speaker 7: front of the microphone. But you learn so much from
Speaker 7: Bill's class and when you can sit down and say
Speaker 7: it was helped me out with the date here Mick
Speaker 7: and Bill, it was New Year's Eve nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 7: I do believe the Ice Bowl and Blackie Sheridan and
Speaker 7: I had our coffee in front of us that it
Speaker 7: was frozen. And I mean he called the ice Bowl.
Speaker 7: He called North Texas football when Abner Haynes broke the
Speaker 7: color barrier ten years before Jerry Lebias did at SMU.
Speaker 7: Leon King and Abner Haynes played at North Texas and
Speaker 7: what they went through, and he told us those stories
Speaker 7: about you know, going on a train to Houston and
Speaker 7: they wouldn't let the North Texas football team stay there
Speaker 7: because they had two black players, and so the North
Speaker 7: Texas football team stayed on the train. And you know, well,
Speaker 7: I got two angry birds in my friend from each other.
Speaker 7: Sorry about that, but you know, he just he told
Speaker 7: us stories like that. They were so intact. And there
Speaker 7: he was as a young reporter in nineteen sixty three,
Speaker 7: and he did news, he did sports, he did Highland
Speaker 7: Park football. And here he is in November of nineteen
Speaker 7: sixty three getting ready to do a Highland Park football
Speaker 7: game and the president of the United States was assassinated
Speaker 7: in Dallas. And there he is at a press conference
Speaker 7: surrounded by news men from all over the country. And
Speaker 7: it was Bill Mercer who asked Lee Harvey Oswald or
Speaker 7: told him, by the way, you've been charged with murdering
Speaker 7: the president of the United States, Did you know that
Speaker 7: he was an incredible reporter? And all of that being said,
Speaker 7: and whether he was talking to you know, a Von
Speaker 7: Eric or Lee Harvey Oswald play by play came back
Speaker 7: to it because he could tell a story. He could,
Speaker 7: you know, he could. He used to tell us a
Speaker 7: story about when he was reporting on a fire Dallas
Speaker 7: and he went live and he described it and the
Speaker 7: news director apparently told him that's the greatest news report
Speaker 7: I've ever heard. And it was because he was doing
Speaker 7: play by play, he was descriptive about the flames and
Speaker 7: the smoke and what the firemen were doing, and and
Speaker 7: beyond all that, he was just kind.
Speaker 3: You know, he.
Speaker 7: He really was. He was really kind to all of
Speaker 7: us and incutting me. And you know, Bill and I
Speaker 7: at one point had our differences, and you know, it
Speaker 7: was a very complicated situation when I eventually replaced him
Speaker 7: as the voice of the Mean Green and some of
Speaker 7: that was my fault of how everything happened. And I'm
Speaker 7: so thankful that since then, you know, we talked and
Speaker 7: he showed such grace and understanding with me, and that's
Speaker 7: just you know, the essence of who he was. He
Speaker 7: was just careerly a really kind, kind and intelligent man.
Speaker 2: George.
Speaker 5: You didn't get to Dallas in time to be able
Speaker 5: to hear any of his broadcast live as a young kid.
Speaker 7: No, I The first I saw of him, ironically, was
Speaker 7: when I lived in Chicago and he's sitting next to
Speaker 7: Harry Carey. It was he did White Sox baseball and
Speaker 7: Channel forty four, and I was there every night for it.
Speaker 7: And then when I moved down here, I saw him
Speaker 7: doing wrestling and I thought, man, this this guy has
Speaker 7: a tough gig. That's the guy I used to do
Speaker 7: the White Sox. And here he is, you know, talking
Speaker 7: to some wrestler and the chairs being hit over someone
Speaker 7: head in the background. And then, you know, I heard
Speaker 7: about his legendary status in North Texas when I went there.
Speaker 7: But I went there as a business major. And then
Speaker 7: I met Craig Miller and he told me that he
Speaker 7: was a broadcast major. I didn't even know they had that.
Speaker 7: And then I met Bill, and that just changed my life.
Speaker 7: It changed the trajectory of what I was interested in.
Speaker 7: I you know, I thought, wow, I never even thought
Speaker 7: about being a sports broadcaster.
Speaker 3: That sounds great, George, George, George. I wonder what it
Speaker 3: sounded like when Bill Mercer and Harry Carey were in
Speaker 3: the booth together. How about how about we reenact for
Speaker 3: just a moment.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 3: I'll be Bill, you be Harry Carey, and Wilberwood. The
Speaker 3: knuckleballer is on the island for the Chicago White Sox.
Speaker 3: And here's the pitch, Harry, you take it from here.
Speaker 7: Here's the pitch, and that it's outside for ball four.
Speaker 7: You know, you think you pay a guy one hundred
Speaker 7: and twenty thousand dollars a year Bill, and they could
Speaker 7: get it over the plate. I love it, George, but
Speaker 7: you know, and that was that was the thing too
Speaker 7: about about Bill. He he was critical without cutting, you know.
Speaker 7: And he one thing that he always got on me.
Speaker 7: And everyone assumes, oh, you took sports broadcasting. That was
Speaker 7: probably a blowoff class. Hey, I did not make an A.
Speaker 7: I made a B. And it killed me because you know,
Speaker 7: only the best of the best made an A, and
Speaker 7: I thought, you know, but again it was one of
Speaker 7: those times where he pulled me aside and he said,
Speaker 7: I gave you a B because I know you can
Speaker 7: be better. And it made me work to get better.
Speaker 7: And you know, and again that was just a teaching
Speaker 7: moment for him. And yeah, he was and all that
Speaker 7: would be enough for a lifetime, But then you you
Speaker 7: fight for our country on a little pet boat in
Speaker 7: the South Pacific, and Bill went through some serious battles
Speaker 7: and saw some terrible, terrible things and he never really
Speaker 7: talked specifics about those arrible things that he saw, but
Speaker 7: he that that's part of what made him. I think
Speaker 7: he was so intelligent. You know, he was world traveled
Speaker 7: and he read a lot and he just knew a
Speaker 7: lot and would make references that you know, a students
Speaker 7: would look at each other and go, not hear a
Speaker 7: boxy where is that?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 7: And but but he would one of the things I
Speaker 7: was getting to that he would work with me. He'd
Speaker 7: probably be telling me that, right now, smile when you broadcast,
Speaker 7: this is supposed to be fun, you know. And I
Speaker 7: think I was just sweating bullets trying to get names
Speaker 7: and numbers right that I didn't often enjoy the broadcasts.
Speaker 7: And it's something I've really worked on through the years.
Speaker 7: And he could tell that just by listening to your tape.
Speaker 7: You know, he'd say, well, are you smiling? And I'd say, well, no,
Speaker 7: well why not. You're at a ball game, you know,
Speaker 7: this is this is great and the people who are
Speaker 7: listening that want to enjoy the game, they can't enjoy
Speaker 7: it if someone's on the other end and all he
Speaker 7: does is criticize and he's not smiling. That's just one
Speaker 7: of the I mean, I could go on and on,
Speaker 7: which is the helpful hints that he gave as to
Speaker 7: make you a better broadcaster, but also just to I
Speaker 7: think make you a better person.
Speaker 3: George.
Speaker 5: A couple of years ago, didn't you guys have some
Speaker 5: sort of reunion with him.
Speaker 2: With a bunch of the guys that we did, you know,
Speaker 2: and this is.
Speaker 7: I thought about this, and I'm so glad we did it.
Speaker 7: A few of us got together, a lot of those
Speaker 7: names that I mentioned, Craig and Don Harris who you
Speaker 7: know Bill really well, and San Antonio and guys we
Speaker 7: went to school with, and people and girls that came
Speaker 7: before us, and we got a group together from the sixties,
Speaker 7: seventies and the eighties and nineties and the aunts. And
Speaker 7: of course, if you're going to name anything after or
Speaker 7: someone these days, you got to raise money to do it.
Speaker 7: But that's just part of the thing. And we raise
Speaker 7: some money. And you know, anytime you cover a game
Speaker 7: at North Texas and you go to app which is
Speaker 7: now back to stadium, and you go to you know,
Speaker 7: the dining services, the media room, it's the Bill Mercer
Speaker 7: media room, and there's pictures of Bill. One of his
Speaker 7: old headsets is up there. And it was it was
Speaker 7: a really cool reunion and it was really neat hearing
Speaker 7: from people who were put on the air in the
Speaker 7: nineteen sixties, and you know, they were talking about going
Speaker 7: on the air and telling Bill, Hey, I don't agree
Speaker 7: with what's going on in our country right now, and
Speaker 7: Bill say will say it, you know, and that's that's
Speaker 7: your job as a broadcaster. You know, you can you
Speaker 7: can have some editorial commentary. And you know, Bill was
Speaker 7: right out there with him, and.
Speaker 10: He was just he was.
Speaker 7: It was almost like a Forrest Gump like life that
Speaker 7: he had, you know, the high school Harry Carry, you know, Lee,
Speaker 7: Harvey Oswald, Abner Haynes, the minor league baseball teams in
Speaker 7: Dallas and Fort Worth that he did, the Dallas Texans
Speaker 7: when the AFL came to town, you know. And and
Speaker 7: Bill was right there in the middle of it.
Speaker 3: And perhaps best known for his relationship with the vin
Speaker 3: Erics and world class wrestling.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and Dave Barnett always quotes that that he was.
Speaker 7: They took a poll in Saudi Arabia at one point
Speaker 7: it was like the vn Erics, Scan Bar Act Bar
Speaker 7: and Bill were the most oder people in Saudi Arabia
Speaker 7: at the time. I mean, and when we would go
Speaker 7: on the road doing North Texas and I worked with
Speaker 7: Bill as a student, but I came back in nineteen
Speaker 7: ninety and we worked together ninety through ninety three and
Speaker 7: we would go to Lake Charles, Nakatish, Jonesboro, Arkansas, and
Speaker 7: all those stops in Louisiana, and you would think we
Speaker 7: were traveling with Elvis when we would walk into a restaurant. Hey,
Speaker 7: that's the wrestling guy. Can I have your autograph? Can
Speaker 7: you autograph my menu and say that you ate at
Speaker 7: my restaurant? I mean, yeah, people loved Bill.
Speaker 3: It's got to like Vern lundquisty Vern Lundquist did so
Speaker 3: many great events from the Masters to the Cowboys, NFL,
Speaker 3: the SEC. But he's best known for bolling for dollars.
Speaker 7: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: I remember that's right, bowing for dollars. Well, well, George,
Speaker 3: we appreciate you reliving some of the memories with Bill
Speaker 3: Mercer and great impact on so many I mean, from
Speaker 3: you to Craig Miller. I mean you mentioned several of
Speaker 3: them there, but there are so many that have gone
Speaker 3: on to great careers. Who mentioned Craig Way with the
Speaker 3: University of Texas, Mark Folwell with the Mavericks, Dave Barnett
Speaker 3: for decades, and you know, at such an early age
Speaker 3: became the Mavericks play by play guy. I think he's
Speaker 3: twenty three years old, basically fresh out of the Bill
Speaker 3: Mercer School of Broadcasting and so many more, the younger
Speaker 3: ones like Ted Emrick and you know, Rich Phillips at SMU,
Speaker 3: and then goes the list goes on and on.
Speaker 7: It really does. And I appreciate you guys talking about Bill.
Speaker 7: And it's really been gratifying the last twenty four hours
Speaker 7: watching newscast and podcasts and radio and newspaper and they're
Speaker 7: talking about Bill and he deserves it because he was
Speaker 7: He was a legend. And yeah, they just don't they
Speaker 7: don't make them like that anymore, for sure.
Speaker 3: All right, George Dunham from ARGE, we appreciate you joining
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Speaker 7: Off CEA believe that Joe Montana was throwing it away.
Speaker 2: I promise you he was.
Speaker 10: I know.
Speaker 3: I'm with you, all right, George, appreciate it, See you guys,
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Speaker 5: In our last Well, I think we can pick up
Speaker 5: where we left off and look into your big green
Speaker 5: notebook on wide receivers. Since we said that there seems
Speaker 5: to be a void there, well, I'll.
Speaker 3: Called it a sad list. Let's just call it what
Speaker 3: it is. Sad. You know, that's a good idea round
Speaker 3: to there. It's there aren't very many what I would say,
Speaker 3: the Green notebook would say are first round wide receivers,
Speaker 3: so you can get a wide receivers later in the draft,
Speaker 3: but there's not the first round. There is T Mac
Speaker 3: from Arizona. You you like the Teteroa McMillan. It's his name, Okay,
Speaker 3: I couldn't say this first. He's he's a big six
Speaker 3: four wide receiver, so he'll go buy T Mac. Yeah.
Speaker 3: T Mac is just annoying by T Mac. You like
Speaker 3: Matthew Golden from Texas. And by the way, Texas Pro
Speaker 3: Day is tomorrow, and I'm going, are you really yes? Okay?
Speaker 3: Like Isaiah Bond too, don't you? Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay, That's why I'm going mysel.
Speaker 3: Because Isaiah Bond or Matthew Golden. Both of them are
Speaker 3: checking out those wide receivers.
Speaker 2: That's right. I'll have a report out of next Monday.
Speaker 3: They'll have a quarterback throwing to them as well. They
Speaker 3: will yours who By the way, the reports are out
Speaker 3: there that he has a visit with the Cowboys. Of
Speaker 3: course he's a Dallas Day guy. But also there's a
Speaker 3: report this morning that yours has thirty visits with a
Speaker 3: number of teams, including the Cowboys.
Speaker 5: So the two wide receivers from ut first round, mid round,
Speaker 5: late round, too early at twelve.
Speaker 3: I would say it's too early at twelve, But when
Speaker 3: you run a four to nine, that's going to catch
Speaker 3: the attention, you know. And xavier' Worthy. Now Golden was
Speaker 3: at Texas just one year, sixteen games and one year
Speaker 3: fifty eight catches. Be it Houston who was at Houston
Speaker 3: prior to that for two years. He also has kick
Speaker 3: return ability and return two kicks for touchdowns at Houston.
Speaker 3: So we saw the run on wide receivers at the
Speaker 3: end of the first round beginning of the second round
Speaker 3: last year. It just kind of depends where that run
Speaker 3: starts this draft at running back is really good. Defensive
Speaker 3: line looks to be really deep. Now, what happens on
Speaker 3: that is sometimes because there's so many running backs, because
Speaker 3: there's so many defensive linemen, maybe you want to get
Speaker 3: your wide receiver earlier because of that, because they'll go
Speaker 3: quicker and they're not as deep. Maybe, but so you
Speaker 3: never know how it's going to play out. But typically
Speaker 3: I think it's you'll find your wide receivers that are
Speaker 3: Golden size five eleven one ninety. But with that speed.
Speaker 3: The speed gets him into the first round, and but
Speaker 3: the size would put him in the second or third round.
Speaker 3: Both of them small. Let me sit fine bond here.
Speaker 3: They're both similar size. To answer your question, yet under
Speaker 3: six feet yeah for around that.
Speaker 2: But he could be more than a slot receiver.
Speaker 3: Gold Golden, Sure, okay, he can play outside.
Speaker 5: Well, they've got guys that can play outside. I mean,
Speaker 5: all the guys you just mentioned that are the Cowboys
Speaker 5: have rights to. I don't know that there's a typical
Speaker 5: slot receiver among them. If you think about it now,
Speaker 5: they would do well for well. I mean Turpin can
Speaker 5: run out of the slot. CD has done it. In
Speaker 5: that group you mentioned the guy that needs an opportunity
Speaker 5: and he's got to be able to take advantage of it.
Speaker 2: Is Mingo.
Speaker 5: I mean, that guy was awfully good at Old Miss,
Speaker 5: and he really didn't do much in Carolina. I don't
Speaker 5: know if that has to do with the quarterback play
Speaker 5: while he was there, but I mean, as a number
Speaker 5: two guy outside, pretty darn good. You know.
Speaker 4: I recall when I was playing ball. I mean even
Speaker 4: going back to high school, I always knew that the
Speaker 4: off season was my ticket. Never was a good first impression. Guy,
Speaker 4: never did a wow any coaches right off the bat.
Speaker 4: But if you could just just let me work in,
Speaker 4: let me work in, and let me show you what
Speaker 4: I can do. You're not going to do that during
Speaker 4: the season. Got to do it, and back then we
Speaker 4: would do it in the spring. The spring ball was
Speaker 4: when you made your move, whether it was high school
Speaker 4: or whether it was college, and when you came to
Speaker 4: when you came to camp, you better do something to
Speaker 4: show people what you got inside of you. I don't
Speaker 4: think he's Mingo has taken that. He hasn't taken that leap.
Speaker 4: You have to have that leap. You have to have
Speaker 4: confidence in yourself to take that leap, to be able
Speaker 4: to say I'm going to go out here and show
Speaker 4: you what I show.
Speaker 3: What's going to be crucial for him is here. In
Speaker 3: just a couple of weeks, the Cowboys start there, I
Speaker 3: mean because.
Speaker 2: They get that coach.
Speaker 3: They get after time he got is April, May and June.
Speaker 3: What he shows to the coaches, he got to show
Speaker 3: and got to show. Worry.
Speaker 4: If you're gonna be if you're gonna be lukewarm and
Speaker 4: doing this time of your career, then that's all you got.
Speaker 3: You can't bring.
Speaker 4: If you can't bring it out of yourself to show
Speaker 4: them exactly what you have to have the confidence and
Speaker 4: the courage to show them what you can do, then
Speaker 4: then you're never gonna go. You're never gonna advance towards
Speaker 4: where you are right now. If he's gonna do this,
Speaker 4: and we talk about his side, talking about what he
Speaker 4: did old miss somehow, he's got to bring that back.
Speaker 4: I don't know what happened in Carolina, right, Yeah, I
Speaker 4: don't know what happened in Carolina, but he got to
Speaker 4: bring that bag. He has to show and with the
Speaker 4: DBS that he has out here. One advantage I had
Speaker 4: when I went to the Giants. The Giants didn't have
Speaker 4: good wide receivers. So I look good in practice?
Speaker 3: Why didn't this guy playing one?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 4: I look great? I mean he can't. You know, no
Speaker 4: one could catch anything. He's out here working now against
Speaker 4: some dbs that he should be able to beat. He
Speaker 4: should be able to show us what he can do
Speaker 4: against average dbs. He better starts showing it now because
Speaker 4: that list. We are not going anywhere with that list.
Speaker 4: I don't care how good your running back is. You've
Speaker 4: got to have some guys that's willing to step up.
Speaker 4: And I'm talking about tob It as well. They got
Speaker 4: us do more than what I've seen because other while
Speaker 4: we're looking at a quarterback who's going to get hurt
Speaker 4: again trying to wait for these wide receivers to get open.
Speaker 4: You can't just keep looking at one all the time.
Speaker 4: You got to look at a team of receivers that
Speaker 4: you can have, that you can depend on like clockwork.
Speaker 4: It's got to be the system has to be able
Speaker 4: to You have to work within the system to make
Speaker 4: yourself good to where you can say, okay, he can
Speaker 4: depend on me on second and thirteen. You know he
Speaker 4: can depend on me in critical moments of a ballgame.
Speaker 4: Right now, I don't know if that list is going
Speaker 4: to work it for us.
Speaker 3: I would like to go down the running back road here,
Speaker 3: because you've got Pro days this week. We mentioned Texas
Speaker 3: is tomorrow, Ohio State is Wednesday. Got a couple of
Speaker 3: Pro days today, which two running backs from Ohio State.
Speaker 3: A couple of running backs working out today Pro days
Speaker 3: at North Carolina Omari and Hampton, and at Iowa Klee Johnson.
Speaker 3: But the two Ohio State guys quin Shawn Judkins and
Speaker 3: Travion Henderson. I've been looking at these guys and this
Speaker 3: is where cowboys are going to be. They're going to
Speaker 3: find them. Well running back. Yeah, my draft in the
Speaker 3: draft and it's going to be in the top hundred picks. Okay,
Speaker 3: we're not waiting till the fourth round here, right? Are
Speaker 3: we an agreement on that? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I agree, because once again that list of y is ugly. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's why you need a running back.
Speaker 2: So when they had the assistant coach interviews.
Speaker 5: The end of Febebruary, yeah, somewhere in there, I was
Speaker 5: looking at everything.
Speaker 3: Oh, we're looking at some video here. Thirty two for
Speaker 3: Ohio State is Travion Henderson five eleven two O two
Speaker 3: ran a four to four to three at the forty
Speaker 3: ren for one thousand yards seven point one yards to
Speaker 3: carry ten touchdowns, had twenty seven for another two hundred
Speaker 3: and eighty four yards. Team captain at Ohio State. That
Speaker 3: was it. Those are his senior year overs.
Speaker 2: Which one's the Ohio State.
Speaker 3: This is Ohio State. Number thirty two Treveon Henderson.
Speaker 2: Okay, and.
Speaker 5: The other guy Quinn showIn John Judkins Unkins who had
Speaker 5: a pretty good playoff run. Both of those guys are
Speaker 5: first round picks right.
Speaker 3: Well, they could be. They could be first rounders, or
Speaker 3: they could because you know teams and team needs and
Speaker 3: that sort of thing and feelings about running backs in general.
Speaker 3: Number one is Quinn Shawn Judkins.
Speaker 4: How was the injury of history?
Speaker 3: It appears that they've been healthy throughout their career. Now
Speaker 3: Judkins here, number one. He's a bigger back, six foot
Speaker 3: two twenty one. Ran a four to four eight with
Speaker 3: a thirty eight and a half vertical on eleven broad jump,
Speaker 3: so he's got a good explosion. Yeah, and he he
Speaker 3: started his career at Ole Miss. He was first team
Speaker 3: All SEC in twenty three at ole Miss. His first
Speaker 3: year at ole Miss, he ran for fifteen hundred and
Speaker 3: sixty seven yards and sixteen touchdowns. And this this year,
Speaker 3: I told you what Henderson did at Ohio State with
Speaker 3: one thousand yards and ten touchdowns. Well, Judkins had one
Speaker 3: thousand yards and fourteen touchdowns.
Speaker 5: And I heard a interview with Henderson yep, And the
Speaker 5: question was, so you saw Judkins transferring to Ohio State.
Speaker 2: What went through your mind?
Speaker 5: Were you thinking, oh, I got to go and he goes, no,
Speaker 5: he goes, We're going to compete, and he goes, if
Speaker 5: he's that good, then we're going to have a hell
Speaker 5: of a competition.
Speaker 2: And this was before the and I'm going, okay, I
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 5: I like the way he handled the entire interview and
Speaker 5: it was from the combine and it's.
Speaker 4: Like a Jalen Hurt situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And so don't.
Speaker 5: Be afraid of the competition. So what I was going
Speaker 5: to tell you when you went into that, if you
Speaker 5: look at what the Cowboys have done putting this staff together,
Speaker 5: starting with Schottenheimer when he was offensive coordinator Seattle uh
Speaker 5: and the Jets, he had dynamic running games. There was
Speaker 5: a couple of times once with the Jets they led
Speaker 5: the league in rushing.
Speaker 2: He did it in.
Speaker 3: SEETFC championship game that year, too, right, and Seattle led
Speaker 3: the league.
Speaker 5: Also, it's right and so, and then look who he hired.
Speaker 5: And I think, I want to say Miles Sanders might
Speaker 5: have said it. He goes, they asked him about coming
Speaker 5: here in the running game, and he goes, well, you
Speaker 5: don't always see the offensive coordinator is an offensive line coach.
Speaker 5: So they have made I think a priority hiring Clayton Adams,
Speaker 5: a proven offensive line coach who had been an offensive
Speaker 5: coordinator line coach in college the last two years at Arizona,
Speaker 5: and they ran the ball and someone said, well, that's
Speaker 5: because of Kyle Murray. Well, Murray ran well the first year.
Speaker 5: The second year he didn't have but two hundred yards rushing.
Speaker 5: So James Connor was running back, yes, and he flourished.
Speaker 5: Arizona's ran for more yards than they had in sixteen
Speaker 5: years with him as the offensive line coach. Then you
Speaker 5: hire a offensive line coach who had been the OC
Speaker 5: and offensive line coach at Kansas State, Connor Riley, Connor Riley.
Speaker 5: And so I'm sitting there looking at this and I'm saying, well,
Speaker 5: they seem to be making a priority of this running game.
Speaker 5: So when Schottenheimer was walking off when the assistants were
Speaker 5: doing the interview, I said, am I right to think
Speaker 5: that you're putting an emphasis on the running game? And
Speaker 5: he goes, I'd say that's accurate. And then I said,
Speaker 5: and the hires you made.
Speaker 2: Was it intentional to boost the running game? He says,
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 5: He says, I've been tracking some of these guys for
Speaker 5: a long time. And he pointed out that, you know,
Speaker 5: when he was an offensive coordinator, he had to put
Speaker 5: staffs together, so he kept his eye on some of
Speaker 5: these up and coming coaches, not only in the NFL,
Speaker 5: but in college too. And then if you look at
Speaker 5: Lunda Wells, the tight end coach, well he was an
Speaker 5: offensive line He was an offensive lineman at LSU, and
Speaker 5: he was an offensive line coach before he got the
Speaker 5: tight ends here. So to me, they want to make
Speaker 5: this running game go, whether it's the guys they have
Speaker 5: now or adding somebody at least one guy in the
Speaker 5: first two rounds.
Speaker 3: All right, One other note on these two Ohio State
Speaker 3: running backs. Henderson is the more veteran of the two.
Speaker 3: He was at Ohio State for four years. He ranks
Speaker 3: top five all time Ohio State running backs. Can you
Speaker 3: name any Ohio State running backs from the past starting
Speaker 3: with Archie Griffin? Number two on the list JK. Dobbins,
Speaker 3: Three is Zeke four, Eddie George In. Number five is
Speaker 3: Trevion Henderson as far as all time rushing at Ohio State.
Speaker 3: The other thing that I picked up on from him
Speaker 3: is he seems to be really good as a past protector,
Speaker 3: a very physical, good blocker, and so he may be
Speaker 3: as a every down back type. He may be more
Speaker 3: ready to go right now than Judkins. But I love
Speaker 3: Judkins too as far as his strength, Yeah, exactly, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I like it. I like well Henderson too. Henderson at
Speaker 3: a thirty eight and a half vertical and ten eight
Speaker 3: broad jump, both of them are very similar. I like it.
Speaker 4: I like Henderson's running style a little bit better, Yeah,
Speaker 4: only because.
Speaker 3: It's more elusive. Yeah to the right, not that he
Speaker 3: would be would write more effective. All right, Then there's
Speaker 3: North Carolina. They got their pro dated day Omaron Hampton
Speaker 3: and a lot of people are ranking him just behind
Speaker 3: Ashton Genty is the number two running back. Okay, we
Speaker 3: just saw those Ohio State backs. Well, this guy must
Speaker 3: really be something if we have if he ranks right
Speaker 3: behind him six foot two hundred and twenty one pounds,
Speaker 3: very similar to the numbers on Quinchan Judkins with four four,
Speaker 3: six forty and a thirty eight vertical and a ten
Speaker 3: ten broad jump. Was the machine broken at the combine?
Speaker 3: They're all got the same numbers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's just.
Speaker 3: Let's just put this at Hampton at North Carolina the
Speaker 3: last couple of years, over two hundred and fifty rushing
Speaker 3: attempts over fifteen hundred yards both years and average very
Speaker 3: consistent five point nine yards of carry and scored fifteen
Speaker 3: touchdowns both years at North Carolina.
Speaker 4: Now, how good are these as receiving backs?
Speaker 7: I think that.
Speaker 3: Hampton had thirty Hampton had thirty eight catches for three
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy three yards and two touchdowns his senior year.
Speaker 3: One thing on Judkins with Ohio State, he did not
Speaker 3: look as natural catching the ball as what Henderson did too.
Speaker 3: And that's the other thing that.
Speaker 4: Well, let's just say we have this issue with wide receivers,
Speaker 4: and I just talked about the young man. If you
Speaker 4: have a shifty running back that can also be a
Speaker 4: good pass receiver. If you have a tight end that's
Speaker 4: going to block well for you, then he's going to
Speaker 4: be your best friend in play action. So I'm looking
Speaker 4: at this list that we have, not just the wide
Speaker 4: receiver list, but the entire roster that we could potentially have.
Speaker 3: If we're going to be running the ball, then those.
Speaker 4: Counters, those other options are going to be extremely important.
Speaker 2: Your tight ends got to know how to block and
Speaker 2: catch a ball.
Speaker 4: You got to have more than one good tight end
Speaker 4: that can do that, and you it'd be best if
Speaker 4: you don't have a good number two receiver.
Speaker 3: Then you're running back.
Speaker 4: He needs to be a very shifty and good pass
Speaker 4: catching running.
Speaker 2: Back as well well.
Speaker 5: And that's where at least one of the two guys
Speaker 5: they've signed now Devant Williams, Fonte Williams and Miles Sanders.
Speaker 2: You're going to keep a veteran running back, and.
Speaker 5: Those guys have been pretty good in the passing as
Speaker 5: I remembered.
Speaker 3: Because Sanders, I think you're keeping both those guys. I
Speaker 3: don't think either one of them is Royce Freeman.
Speaker 2: Okay, you believe.
Speaker 3: I think you keep both of those guys plus a rookie,
Speaker 3: and then Douce fits in if if he can.
Speaker 2: If he can somewhere. But I was looking up there
Speaker 2: those guys, or.
Speaker 3: Beat Douce beats out one of those guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 5: And those guys in the passing game previously have been
Speaker 5: pretty good catching the ball. Now, Williams had to come
Speaker 5: back from his torn acl Actually he hit the triple
Speaker 5: crown in knee injury his second year in Denver, so
Speaker 5: he's two years removed from it now, so you would
Speaker 5: hope that he can get back.
Speaker 3: He had won eight game stretch last year and I
Speaker 3: don't know what happened