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Speaker 1: down into that five technique and use that that matchup

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Speaker 1: of his his speed and strength versus interior offensive linement. Well,

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Speaker 1: Zac's one of those guys that can do that. He's

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Speaker 1: going to be strong enough that he can even hold

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Speaker 1: up against the run if you move them down. And

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Speaker 1: you know with the NFL and all the diverse looks

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Speaker 1: that you're gonna get whether you throw some three four

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Speaker 1: looks or whether some sub packages is he's a smart

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Speaker 1: guy that can that can do all of those things

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Speaker 1: and play well in space as well. Well. Last one

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Speaker 1: for me in terms of are notable positions. I know

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Speaker 1: Allan and Lindstrom are getting a lot of the attention

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Speaker 1: because of obviously the production, but the Giants may be

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Speaker 1: looking to add some depth at safety Scott And the

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Speaker 1: reason I bring up that position I know BC has

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Speaker 1: two safeties, Will Harris and Lucas Dennis. What is the

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Speaker 1: biggest difference between both of them and what do you

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Speaker 1: look at as perhaps they're upside at the next level. Well,

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Speaker 1: the kind of two two different players. Lucas Dennis, although

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Speaker 1: he didn't run well in his forty times, he's got

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Speaker 1: good hit movement and his ability to his ball skills

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Speaker 1: and his ability to find the football is one of

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Speaker 1: his big you know, ball hawking skills is one of

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Speaker 1: his biggest attributes. I think if you look at his

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Speaker 1: his two thousand and seventeen season, he was tops in

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Speaker 1: the you know, close to tops in the Nations and

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Speaker 1: interceptions because he moved from corner into the middle of

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Speaker 1: the field. And his ability to get sideline the sideline

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Speaker 1: and make some plays and find the ball is was

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Speaker 1: a really big benefit for that Boston College defense that

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Speaker 1: had lost a couple of guys into the pros. You

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Speaker 1: look at John Johnson and Justin Simmons, two guys that

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Speaker 1: are making you know, significant, you know, contributions for the

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Speaker 1: Broncos and for the Rams respectively. Lucas Dennis stilled those

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Speaker 1: shoes in in two thousand and seventeen and kind of

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Speaker 1: played that free safety role. He's good tackling, but I

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Speaker 1: would not say that's one of his his strengths. I

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Speaker 1: would say he's better at identifying kind of routes and

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Speaker 1: concepts and attacking attacking the ball, and his ball skills

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Speaker 1: are very good. Now. Will Harris is a guy who's

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Speaker 1: played for a while, but he's a load and look

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Speaker 1: at his combined numbers and he kind of blew, you know,

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Speaker 1: blew off the charts there. He ran a four four there.

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Speaker 1: And he's a bigger guy that can play in the

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Speaker 1: box and cover tight ends and some guys in the middle.

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Speaker 1: He's very good at at tackling in space. Boston College

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Speaker 1: is a team that played a lot of man coverage

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Speaker 1: and they asked Well to make a lot of tackles

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Speaker 1: in space. And Will is a is a physical guy

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Speaker 1: that is that is smart. He can blitz, he can cover,

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Speaker 1: he can tackle. He's a guy that I think is

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Speaker 1: is that next big guy for Boston College in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: He was. He's really improved himself and his athleticism showed

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Speaker 1: off when he did those combine testings. But his tape

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Speaker 1: backs that up as well. You know, the one thing

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Speaker 1: that we forgot to ask you about Ray because if

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Speaker 1: he's going to play edge in the NFL, he's also

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Speaker 1: gonna have to do some coverage stuff. And when you

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Speaker 1: were just talking about the safeties, it just popped into

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Speaker 1: my head. We never even asked you about how often

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Speaker 1: that Ray might have been asked to do any kind

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Speaker 1: of coverage either on backs or tight ends coming out

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Speaker 1: out of the backfield. Is this something that he is

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Speaker 1: he has not been asked to do it all? Or

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Speaker 1: if he has, how proficient is he? Well, he did

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Speaker 1: it a little bit. But I say it's one of

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Speaker 1: those things. Is because of the fact that Zach Allen

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Speaker 1: was getting so much attention on the edge, you wanted

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Speaker 1: to accentuate, accentuate what you did best and why job

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Speaker 1: was getting to the quarterback. Now, he did play in

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Speaker 1: some space and half to cover guys, but I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: say that was his main job to be able to

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Speaker 1: do that. But if you look at his profile and

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Speaker 1: look at kind of and look at some of those

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Speaker 1: athletic tests that he did at the combine, he's showing

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Speaker 1: the ability that he can actually do that in space

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Speaker 1: and he's a he would pretty talented athlete. Cool he

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Speaker 1: is Scott Mutrin. You can hear him on the Boston

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Speaker 1: College Eagles Radio Network sideline reporter also former BC quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Scott greatly appreciate the time and the inside. Thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for breaking down the class and look forward to

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Speaker 1: talking to you down the road. Appreciate Scott, Thank you absolutely.

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Speaker 1: That is Scott Mutum once again kind enough to give

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Speaker 1: us a few minutes and the outlook for the BC class.

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Speaker 1: They have an offensive lineman and Chris Lindstrom. You got

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen defensive end who also could be perhaps moved

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Speaker 1: in inside to defensive tackles. So those are two players

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Speaker 1: to certainly keep close tabs on. We're gonna be previewed

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Speaker 1: Kansas State in Washington State moving forward, but I do

521
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Speaker 1: want to try to squeeze in as many calls as

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Speaker 1: possible in between, so we give you an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: weigh in on a variety of topics. So let's go

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Speaker 1: right to the phones here on Big Blue Kick Off

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Speaker 1: Live Monday's edition, as we check in with Dennis in

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Speaker 1: North Carolina. Dennis, Welcome to the program. What do you

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Speaker 1: go for us? Well, I just have a little question

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Speaker 1: here about as part of the appreciating that they're trying

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Speaker 1: to rectify from opening the championship team, Uh okay, this

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Speaker 1: is not towing the plague and all that kind of think. Well, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, everybody makes mistakes, but uh, I mean they

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Speaker 1: I've seen where they've official throws a flag and all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden hold that they picked it up. They

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Speaker 1: got together and said, nah, no, no, he didn't do that.

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Speaker 1: He it was. It was a good play. Okay, they

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Speaker 1: pick up the flag and nobody says as much about it.

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Speaker 1: I could. I feel like we're in reverse. Uh, the

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Speaker 1: referee has to start playing. He has the ball, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't start UI he puts it down. He could just

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Speaker 1: look around if he and they can communicate with a

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Speaker 1: signals or whatever. You know, Hey, I think I saw

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Speaker 1: something there that was really egregious. And then show the

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Speaker 1: flag and then it discussed it for a couple of

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Speaker 1: seconds and say they do see it. No, no, because

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Speaker 1: I have officiated baseball and we used to get together

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Speaker 1: on certain plays like that, and then it wasn't a

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Speaker 1: big deal. I don't think he needed the guy in

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Speaker 1: this guy or whatever. I think the officials on the

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Speaker 1: field they allowed onto community a little more as far

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Speaker 1: as or what they see or what they didn't see.

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Speaker 1: If they could pick up a flag, they control one

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Speaker 1: later and and and if they could have done that

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Speaker 1: in the chambionship game, that probably would have alleviated all

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Speaker 1: this controversy. I would only say one thing to you.

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Speaker 1: And when the Giants are on the road, I'm often

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Speaker 1: on the sideline watching the game from there, as opposed

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Speaker 1: to being upstairs in the press box. And you and

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Speaker 1: I both know because you said you were an umpire

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Speaker 1: in baseball. When you're on the field, it is a

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Speaker 1: totally different perspective from the eye and the sky look.

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Speaker 1: And I will tell you right now there are things

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Speaker 1: that you can see down on the field that you

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Speaker 1: can't see upstairs, and vice versa. And to just automatically,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of dismissed the out of hand angle

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Speaker 1: to me is being a little bit shallow because you

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Speaker 1: you have to admit and understand that there are things

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Speaker 1: that they're gonna see from upstairs that you cannot see

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Speaker 1: on the field. I I don't I don't understand the

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Speaker 1: reluctance in acquiring that extra viewpoint if you have it

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Speaker 1: available to you. No, I mean, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I mean, am I not making sense? Also that they're

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Speaker 1: having the uh they got to hire the guys. Where

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Speaker 1: they're going to get the new officials and uh then

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Speaker 1: the who goes up then where they're going to get

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Speaker 1: the guy to replace him if they put one upstairs,

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Speaker 1: and it's up to look a logistic problem. The legal

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00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: already has a video replay official upstairs in the box

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Speaker 1: at each venue. Anyway, Now, if you want to tell

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Speaker 1: me that that guy has to have specific qualifications, like

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Speaker 1: he has already worked on the field for five years

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Speaker 1: or ten years, or whatever the case may be, I

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Speaker 1: don't have a problem. If you're going to tell me

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00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: that guy has to have a certain set of mandated experience,

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00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: that's fine. But to just discount the fact that he

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Speaker 1: might be able to with an educated I see thing.

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Speaker 1: I I don't. I don't see why you would want

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Speaker 1: to do that. And Dennis appreciate the phone call. I

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Speaker 1: think if you have the technology and you want to

589
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: expand the rules, you might as well take advantage of

590
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Speaker 1: the technology. So I don't have any issue with them

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Speaker 1: doing the eye in the sky like the Alliance of

592
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: American Football is doing, but just didn't correct Canadian Football

593
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: League as well. But at his point about communication between officials,

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Speaker 1: right now, there's no NFL rule preventing a judge who

595
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit further away from the play to

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Speaker 1: come over and say, hey, I saw something. I think

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Speaker 1: you should throw a flag. There's nothing preventing that from happening.

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Speaker 1: It may not happen very often, end I think most

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Speaker 1: officials probably would shy away from doing that, because you

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Speaker 1: would say the official closest to where the play happened

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Speaker 1: or the potential offense had the best view. So why

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Speaker 1: would you want an individual on the opposite side of

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Speaker 1: the field coming over and saying, you know what I

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Speaker 1: thought I saw something? Well, did you really? I mean,

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Speaker 1: you didn't really have the best vantage? Exactly why? The

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Speaker 1: eye and the sky I think makes a lot more

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Speaker 1: sense because they could at least go back to a

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Speaker 1: replay angle that gives them the best possible viewpoint to

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Speaker 1: determine whether or not there was a penalty. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: point is the the potential debate that two officials may

611
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: have on the field could easily be cleared up from

612
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Speaker 1: the guy. They're all basing it, what did you see?

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00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: What did you think you saw? Whereas you just could

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Speaker 1: go upstairs and look at the actual evidence the video

615
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: replay maybe agreed. Why would you deny yourself for doing

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Speaker 1: that if you're going to expand replay? Of course, Derek

617
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Speaker 1: is in a story of Derek. Welcome the Big Blue

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Speaker 1: kig Off Live. What's on your Mind? Hey guys, thanks

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Speaker 1: for taking my call time listener. I love the show. Um,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to get your guys opinion on this

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Speaker 1: upcoming draft and your thoughts on Devin White at number six.

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Speaker 1: I just I feel like this guy is like perfect

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Speaker 1: for defense. He's a leader, he's a three down linebacker, um,

624
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Speaker 1: and I think it's something that we could really use.

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00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: Leadership in general on this team has been in question

626
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: for the past couple of years, and I just want

627
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: to see what you guys thought about that. Well, it's

628
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: a double edged sword with him because he's a tremend

629
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Speaker 1: this athlete. He's incredibly productive, There's no question about it.

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Speaker 1: He can be a real spark plug for a defense.

631
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: But on the downside, Uh, not very good coverage skills

632
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Speaker 1: as an inside backer. So if you need that type

633
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Speaker 1: of ability all around athleticism, Uh, it's gonna be something

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00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: you gotta worry about. Um. If you know, if you

635
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Speaker 1: basically you're not gonna be able to ask him to

636
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Speaker 1: cover and be a three down backer and that's going

637
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,479
Speaker 1: to take away some of his value. The other thing

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00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: you gotta worry about is, uh, he misses a lot

639
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: of tackles. Maybe it's because he's over aggressive, maybe it's

640
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: because he's not recognizing the place properly. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: The answer to that. To me, six is too high

642
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: for him, But I understand that somebody, somebody at some

643
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: point is going to say, look, the production is just

644
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: too sweet and and in between the tackles, he does

645
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: have a lot of athleticism, maybe not necessarily again in coverage,

646
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Speaker 1: but there are things he can do that will suit

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Speaker 1: a team very well. I just don't see him at six.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing to keep in mind is, and

649
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that track record in history means an

650
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: awful lot considering the Giants have a new GM, but

651
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: the Giants have not taken a linebacker in the first rounds.

652
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: It's called banks in so it's not a position to

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Speaker 1: answer your question, Derek, where they've been utilizing first round

654
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Speaker 1: assets on that spot doesn't mean that Devin White is

655
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: not in the equation. The other thing is, I think

656
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Speaker 1: if the Giants are gonna bring in a linebacker, considering

657
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: it's a three four alignment, I think they also want

658
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Speaker 1: to see somebody that could come in and has the

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Speaker 1: ability to get after the quarterback consistently. And White has

660
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: okay numbers. He's shown that he can get to the quarterback,

661
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: but I don't know if that's necessarily the number one

662
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: strength of his game. And I think in this defense,

663
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: you want a linebacker to be able to pursue the

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Speaker 1: quarterback and get there, and that to be is something

665
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Speaker 1: that they're certainly gonna weigh if they're going to consider

666
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Speaker 1: him at number six. Well, and also you have to

667
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: remember edge rushers, because of their pass rushing skills to

668
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: make big plays that way, are going to be valued higher.

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Speaker 1: Why don't you present I just it is, yeah, and

670
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Speaker 1: appreciate the phone called Derek, Thanks so much for weaghing in.

671
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Speaker 1: Two zero one five one three is the telephone number.

672
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: The Giants gonna have two first round picks now six

673
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Speaker 1: and seventeen, so they can certainly address a variety of

674
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Speaker 1: areas linebacker. If you look at the roster right now,

675
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: they could use depth there. I still think defensive lineman

676
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: slash edge rusher is probably the top priority when you

677
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Speaker 1: look at the defensive personnel, I would agree, And it

678
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Speaker 1: also fits the depth of this draft. Indeed. I mean

679
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: there's a plethora of pass rushing and that doesn't mean

680
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: should wait though if you love the guide Paul, it's say,

681
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: oh you gotta you gotta grab them. Yep, you should

682
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Speaker 1: certainly not wait based on the fact that, oh, well,

683
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Speaker 1: if we wait till seventeen, we could still get an

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Speaker 1: elite pass rusher. Well, we have discussed Boston Colleges prospects.

685
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: We're not gonna shift gears to Kansas States prospects, and

686
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: they have one in particular who plays on the offensive linemen.

687
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: To provide more inside on that, we're now joined by

688
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: j Binkley, host on k c SP six ten am

689
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Speaker 1: in Kansas City. J you got Lance, Meadal Paul the

690
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: Tino with you here Giants dot Com, Big Blue Kickoff Live.

691
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: Appreciate the time. How's everything very good? How you guys

692
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: doing very good? Let me ask you something. This Dalton

693
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: Reisinger kid is just a pleasure to talk to. Had

694
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Speaker 1: a chance to chat with him at the combine. What

695
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: a terrific young man. What a a great football mentality

696
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: he presented, uh, in addition to being very outgoing, and

697
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Speaker 1: I think he would just fit in great with this

698
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: Giant's offensive line room. In fact, I think he'd probably

699
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: fit in anywhere in an offensive line room because he's

700
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: a very lively guy. Before we get down to the

701
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: breakdown as to him as a football player, tell me

702
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: about the intangibles that he's gonna bring because everyone knows

703
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: that chemistry is incredibly important along the offensive line. In fact,

704
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: it's probably more important there than any other position on

705
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: the field. Very likable. Uh, he's a charitable guy that

706
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: does charity type stuff. Uh the list. This guy's a

707
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,239
Speaker 1: class act. You know, from a class program. You know.

708
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 1: Playing underneath Bill Snyder, Uh, you learn a lot of lessons.

709
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: Bill Snyder is the type of coach that, uh, you know,

710
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: before he retired this year, was you know, really a high,

711
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: high character guy that would send letters out to when

712
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: they played. Carson Wentz to Dakota Stadis and and written

713
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: letters two players. And that's a reflection on some of

714
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: the players that he has. This is a three year

715
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 1: team captain. And when you can do that when you're

716
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: a sophomore will be that he was a redshirt sophomore,

717
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 1: a junior, and a senior. Be a three year team

718
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: captain means you gained the respect of your teammates and

719
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: that's big in the locker room. You know, I know

720
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: a lot of teams, I know the Chiefs have tried

721
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: to do it in the past. They look at team

722
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: captains and uh, who was a team captain in college,

723
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: because I think that reflects a lot on the type

724
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: of character and leadership of those individuals. No, I think

725
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: that's a great point. J Actually, the Giants a few

726
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: years ago they only elected players that had that sea

727
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: on their jersey because that was something that they valued

728
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: as well. Now, one of the things that jumps out

729
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: to me about Dalton Riisner is his versatility. You know,

730
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 1: we're talking about a player that played center, also played tackle.

731
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: I don't think necessarily a team is going to draft

732
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: him and play him at center, But how much of

733
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: an asset is that versatility that if you do want

734
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Speaker 1: to move him around and maybe even toy with him

735
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: at guard, that that is something that's feasible. He can

736
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: move inside and that's the thing, you know, playing right tackle, Uh,

737
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: he's very good run locker. UH. Needed to work a

738
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: little bit with the footwork as far as some of

739
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: his past blocking, but you're talking about it. You know,

740
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: three time All Big Twelve performer and first team All

741
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus Uh this year. Tackles two year All Americans,

742
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: but he played center his first year he played center,

743
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 1: moved to tackle, but he could be inside. He goes

744
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: around three hundred three four teams his range, but in

745
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: the NFL, you know, if he got up to about three,

746
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: I could see him moving inside. He's got the flexibility.

747
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: But any any tackle that you have, they can you know,

748
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: transition and actually play center as well. That means you

749
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: can pretty much play anywhere on the line. And I

750
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: know teams love guys with versatility and move them around.

751
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: And I know Andy Reid has done that with the

752
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: Chiefs as far as you know, taking alignment and putting

753
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: them at center or putting them back at tackle, and uh,

754
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: they've done that in the past and they continue to

755
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: do it. But the ability to play center is very,

756
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: very valuable because that's the guy that you know, calls

757
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: out the offensive line signals. But extremely he's a guy

758
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: who loves football. Yell to talk nowadays, do you love

759
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: football or not? Uh? This is a guy that eats

760
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: sleeps in Breese football. And uh he would be the

761
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: type of guy that playing where the Giants are wanting

762
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: to play. We were hearing at the combine that he

763
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: would be probably early second round value because he's not

764
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: with the premiere elite tackles like John Taylor of Florida

765
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: or maybe the kid from Alabama, Jonah Williams. But when

766
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: you start talking about offensive line, especially guys who can

767
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: play tackle, it is a deep class. Dave Gettiman. The

768
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: Giants GM even told us at the combine, Look, there

769
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: are a bunch of tackles offensive tackles, uh that are

770
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: gonna be you know, plug and play draftable guys who

771
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: are high quality prospects. So to me, I'm thinking early

772
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: second round is good value for him. What are you hearing?

773
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: What's the scoop out there? The rumor mill talking about

774
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: in terms of where he might land and maybe a

775
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: team that would be good fit for him. Most people

776
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: see him as the second round grade, and I agree

777
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: with that. I think what the Giants pick thirty seven

778
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: in the second round, they would actually be a perfect spot,

779
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: uh to grab Delton Rise there. In my opinion, you

780
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: know you're you're close to first round value, you know,

781
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: slipping down the thirty seven, I think it's worth the

782
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: leap at thirty seven to go ahead and grab him

783
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: before somebody else does because of all those other intangibles,

784
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: the program he's coming from, playing with Bill Snyder. Four

785
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: year starter, this guy started fifty games. I mean that

786
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: is incredible during bill that he possessed, and that's going

787
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: to be a strong commodity in the NFL. Um You know,

788
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: I don't think even drafting thirty seven would be a

789
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,959
Speaker 1: reach for the Giant. The shoulder injury that he had,

790
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: I guess a year or so ago, I had the surgery.

791
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to assume that because everyone talks so glowingly

792
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: about him, that did not impact his game at all

793
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: this past season. No, No, just strong as ever. You know, so,

794
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: first team All American Pro Football focus and and and

795
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: you name it. I mean, yeah, he's a football player,

796
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: and he's incredibly durable, and uh, you get all like

797
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: guys that are on the field no matter what. Well

798
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: in terms of huge, intangible in terms of just the

799
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: style of offense j that Kansas State ran. You know,

800
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Speaker 1: how do you see him making the transition from college

801
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: to the pros regardless of what maybe the type of

802
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: system that the NFL team that brings him in is

803
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: gonna play. Do you think he's open enough in terms

804
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: of run blocking and past scheme that he could adapt

805
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: to just about anything. He had. The pad likeness of

806
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: the footwork and pass blocking, those are things, uh that

807
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: will have to be accrued by him. Kansas State UM

808
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: ran the football a lot with the quarterbacks. UM, they

809
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: did a two quarterback system. UH. One was a i

810
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 1: would say, above average runner and one was an excellent runner.

811
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: At the two quarterbacks that they would use in that offense.

812
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: But Bill Snyder usually you know, he comes from that

813
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer Tim Tebow method of using quarterbacks to run

814
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: the football, and Kansas States only's done that, although they

815
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: did a little more pocket passing UH this year, so

816
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,959
Speaker 1: he had to do a lot of pass pro this year.

817
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 1: But it's but it's the flexibility and the ability to move, UM,

818
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: the transition when your quarterbacks get outside the pocket. Can

819
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: you get outside the pocket? You know, maybe the footwork

820
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: needs a little bit of work, but these are all

821
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: things that can be done in the NFL. He's got

822
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: the frame, got the frame to put more weight on

823
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: run blocking. He's extremely good. This guy. When you want

824
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: to talk about blocking for se Kwon Barkley, this is

825
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: your guy right here. He's a maler Well. That certainly

826
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: would be music to Barkley's ears for sure. I want

827
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: to go back because I like to take notes as

828
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: we're talking to our our experts around UH, the the country. JA.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the footwork though coming out of the three

830
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: point stance in the NFL is something that, as Dave

831
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: Gettleman has lamented, NFL teams need to project because teams

832
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: in college aren't doing that anymore. How much of an

833
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: issue do you suspect that would be for him given

834
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: the athletic skills that he does or does not possess. Well,

835
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: here's one example, and I'll refer you to the game

836
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: tape of Kansas State versus Mississippi State in Montes Sweat. Uh,

837
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Speaker 1: the people absolutely love in this draft pretty much. He

838
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: lost probably one battle to Montes Sweat and handled him

839
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: pretty much the entire game. And that's you know, going

840
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 1: against and U Texas Um, the outside linebacker minihu Um.

841
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: He dominated him as well. Uh, two guys that are

842
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: you know, first round early second round too, well, m

843
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: Sweats obviously early first round, my Minyhu maybe first or second,

844
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: but he did extremely well against them. And it's two

845
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: of the best pass rushers coming out in this year's draft.

846
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: So you know, he was able to handle that kind

847
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,439
Speaker 1: of speed, that kind of power coming around the edge.

848
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: So I think he could transition to the NFL very easily.

849
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Speaker 1: He is j Binkley host on k c SP six

850
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: ten am in Kansas City, joining us here on Big

851
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff Live to weigh in on Dalton Reisner and

852
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: his upside as he gets set to move to the NFL.

853
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: Jake greatly appreciate the time of the insight. Look forward

854
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: to talk to you down the road. Thanks, thank you,

855
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: j Hey, thank you guys. Let me know what anytime.

856
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: Appreciate it absolutely. That is Ja Binkley once again on

857
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: Dalton Reisner, who is certainly a reasonable player that the

858
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: Giants could target in the high second round. Is Jay

859
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: mentioned with that pick in the thirties. Time will tell,

860
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Speaker 1: but you could argue that the Giants may want to

861
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Speaker 1: bring in more competition at the right tackle position after

862
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Speaker 1: Chad Wheeler was the main starter last season. That could

863
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Speaker 1: be one of the remaining offensive line positions that they

864
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Speaker 1: certainly look to address, either at the talent of free

865
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Speaker 1: agency or through the draft. Two zero one, five one

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Speaker 1: three is the telephone now. You could also chime in

867
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Speaker 1: via hashtag Giants Chat. We're gonna shift gears to Washington

868
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: State and then we'll try to fill out the remainder

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Speaker 1: of the program with respect to your phone calls as

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Speaker 1: we continue to look ahead to the two thousand nineteen

871
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Speaker 1: NFL Draft and recap. Still the Odell Beckham trade is

872
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Speaker 1: John Mara and Steve Tish weighing in in Phoenix at

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Speaker 1: the owners meetings. But we covered BC. We covered Kansas State.

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Speaker 1: Up next on this marathon edition, A Big Blue Kickoff

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Speaker 1: Live is Washington State and we are now joined by

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Speaker 1: the play by play voice for the Cougars Radio Network

877
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: and Matt is Matt Chasen. Now, Matt, you got Lance

878
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: Meadow Paulatino with you here on Giants dot Com Big

879
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff Live. Appreciate the time. How's every thing today.

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Speaker 1: It's fantastic. It's great to talk to you guys. I

881
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: texted a little bit with you before. I'm from New

882
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 1: Jersey and and been been old Giants Stadium a bunch

883
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: of times as a kid. And uh, you guys are

884
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: gonna kick out of this. Ron Stone's kid is on

885
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: our team out here. So I saw Ron, you know,

886
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: late nineties. I saw Ron here in the hotel and Pullman, Washington,

887
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: and we were talking Giants football a little bit this year. Well,

888
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: I remember Ron when he was a Pro Bowl guard

889
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 1: for the Giants. They had picked him up via free

890
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: agency from the Dallas Cowboys. Uh. And he was a big,

891
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: big man. I might add I don't know how big

892
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Speaker 1: his son is, but Ron was a load. He is,

893
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: He's a monster. He still is a monster. His bear

894
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: paw almost crushed me. His his kid is his kids,

895
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: his safety. So he's not quite as big as dad

896
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Speaker 1: as his kids. Uh about Oh, I don't know, six

897
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: one six two and we'll call him two hundred something

898
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: pounds and and and flying around out there. Well, speaking

899
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,479
Speaker 1: of the trenches, as you can relate to from being

900
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: a longtime Giants fan, that's what makes or breaks this

901
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: franchise in Washington State certainly has one in the upcoming draft,

902
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: and that is Andre Dillard. And I think one of

903
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: the things that jumps out to me when you look

904
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: at an offensive lineman in college Matt is somebody that

905
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: has experience, and Andre certainly has that experience. It's not

906
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Speaker 1: as if they just threw him in the mix his

907
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: senior year. What has jumped out to you? Considering he's

908
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: been at the left tackle position and he's played so

909
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: many games during the course of his tenure at Washington State.

910
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Speaker 1: A couple of things. First of all, the athleticisms off

911
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: the charts, and you could see that right away. He's

912
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: got incredibly fast feed. His dad played, so he's been

913
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Speaker 1: coached in the game forever. And and his his feet

914
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: in his hands, and and that's also you know, it's funny. Also,

915
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: one of the Pack twelve network analysts is also former Giant,

916
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 1: Glenn Parker for a year. And Glenn, yeah, Glenn played

917
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: for Arizona out here on the West Coast. He's one

918
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Speaker 1: of the West Coast guys. And years ago, like what

919
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: Andre was more before, he was getting a ton of time.

920
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: As a freshman sophomore, he came up to the booth

921
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Speaker 1: and said, hey, you guys have a pro on this,

922
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: on this on the old line, and and we thought

923
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Speaker 1: he was talking about Joe Dahl, who is now at

924
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: Detroit Lion. And we all kind of knew Joe was

925
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: really good. He was an all pack Old Line And

926
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Speaker 1: he said, he said, I like Joe, and I really

927
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Speaker 1: like Andre Dillard, and Dillard hadn't played a ton and

928
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: it was the first I'd heard of it. So so

929
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Speaker 1: those who know what they're looking for off in terms

930
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: of in terms of foot speed, in terms of you know, hands,

931
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Speaker 1: hand size, and technique have spotted Andre for years now,

932
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Speaker 1: and he's really athletic. And and then the other thing

933
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Speaker 1: that kind of jumps out, like you said, is at

934
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Speaker 1: times that blind side for Minshew and even for Luke

935
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Speaker 1: Falk prior was was just silent. I mean, no one

936
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Speaker 1: got through. So you're you're talking about tons of experience

937
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: and also results, and we all know it's an unheralded position,

938
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: but you're right, it's the key to the game. It's

939
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Speaker 1: the whole deal. If the quarterback has time, especially in

940
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: the area, if the QB has time, you win the game.

941
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Speaker 1: And the Coopers have won a lot of games specifically

942
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Speaker 1: because of Andre Dillard. Well, now, when I was out

943
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Speaker 1: at the combine and a lot of people were saying

944
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: to me, you know, Dillard's getting talked about in that

945
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: second line or second wave of offensive tackles that are

946
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Speaker 1: gonna come out in this draft. But don't be surprised

947
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Speaker 1: if by the time he gets to the NFL, he'll

948
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Speaker 1: be talked about in the upper group because he is

949
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: that talented, that athletic. And there were guys out there

950
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Speaker 1: at the combine who said to me, don't be surprised

951
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Speaker 1: if he actually can handle the speed washers at left

952
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Speaker 1: tackle in the NFL. So I'm gonna ask you to project. Now,

953
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Speaker 1: I know what you said he did at Washington State

954
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: is dynamic, but when he makes the jump to the

955
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Speaker 1: next level, will he be able to handle the left

956
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Speaker 1: tackle spot or is he going to be better suited

957
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Speaker 1: to right tackle? No, I think he plays. I think

958
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: it translates I I do. I mean, you know, you've

959
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: got your Orlando Paces and you're Jonathan Oxtens, and you're

960
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: sort of jem rational tackle talents, and and those guys

961
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: are so big and so freaky, and I don't know

962
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Speaker 1: if Dillard is gonna you know, he's the guy who's

963
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Speaker 1: gonna kind of fight his way into that first second way,

964
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 1: first wave there as he just mentioned. But if he does,

965
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised. You know, this is a guy

966
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Speaker 1: who went up against some of the best in the

967
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Speaker 1: past twelve and and what I've noticed is like guys

968
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Speaker 1: like Deflorest Buckner, who's now a forty niner, was drafted

969
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Speaker 1: as a forty niner who was an all packed d lineman.

970
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Speaker 1: He handled guys he did he did Solomon Commas, the

971
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Speaker 1: Stanford d Lineman. He went up against guys uh Vita Faa,

972
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Speaker 1: who's who also is a nice He was the husky.

973
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: These are big guys. These are guys who have succeeded

974
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Speaker 1: in the combine process, who've been drafted highly, who Dillard

975
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Speaker 1: did okay with, you know, and they would actually kind

976
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: of shift away from Andrea, because what's the point somewhere else?

977
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: So he's really good. He really is, And I think

978
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Speaker 1: it plays. I think it works. We're talking about Mat

979
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: Chaz and out Washington State play by play voice for

980
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: the Cougars radio net work. You mentioned with him protecting

981
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: the blind spot, it was almost as if the quarterbacks

982
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: were untouchable. Well, that's certainly one aspect of an offensive

983
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: line play. What about run blocking? I know the Washington

984
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: State offense Matt was prolific. I mean, we're talking about

985
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: an offense with Mike Leach that put up points in

986
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: the blink of an eye. But when it comes to

987
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: his ability to assist in the run blocking scheme, what

988
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: it all impressed you? What it all jumped out to

989
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: you about that? This is always the big question with

990
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 1: a google line is how does it work when you're

991
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: not going to throw the ball seventy times a game exactly,

992
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 1: and and I think it plays. Uh, he'll go ahead

993
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: and bully people. You know. He also one of the

994
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: things with the athleticism is he'll get up in and

995
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: run blocked just fine. And and James Williams, who's also

996
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: in the NFL draft, who would not surprise me if

997
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 1: somebody decided they wanted to take a flyer on him

998
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: and get him and make sure he's there's um and

999
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: he'll for sure be in a camp somewhere. And if

1000
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: he gets drafted, he ran us up four six and

1001
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: so that that's fast enough. And he let the nation

1002
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: in miss tackles in the open field, force miss tackles

1003
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: in the open field. And and he is he is

1004
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: really shifty, professionally shifty in the open field. And uh.

1005
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: And I think with Andre blocking for James a lot

1006
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: of the time on handoffs there were a lot of

1007
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: holes for him and he went between the tackles. The

1008
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: other thing that was always impressive about Andre in speaking

1009
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: to his athleticism, and they transferable skill. They run a

1010
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: lot of screen passes. He was so athletic. They have

1011
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: him downfield blocking. I mean, they'd get him out there,

1012
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 1: and they'd have him, they'd have him bumped the D line,

1013
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: they'd have him go run out to a to a

1014
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: you know, to a linebacker or even get him get

1015
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: him as deep as they could, because if they could,

1016
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: they know they'd break the play open, go for a touchdown.

1017
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: And and you know, all that stuff is why is

1018
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: why he's being talked about in that first waves, as

1019
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: you mentioned, a good way to put it. You know,

1020
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if that puts the first round.

1021
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 1: I don't put some second round. Team need and agents

1022
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: and all that stuff plays into it. But he he is,

1023
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: he's he's that good. He's special. I mean, he's partly

1024
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: by the Cougars one eleven games and have been regularly

1025
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: competing for the PAC twelfth title. If you're gonna do

1026
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: that with the air Raid, you need pro alignment and

1027
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: really good ones and and and I think it works. Yeah,

1028
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 1: for sure. Aligneman who can get out and help block

1029
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: for the screen when you're running an offense that does

1030
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: feature a running back like Barkley, who caught ninety one

1031
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: passes this past season, can be huge when he's getting

1032
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: to the second level. And now Barkley is joking his

1033
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: way down the field on a fifty yard pass play

1034
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: that you know, only was thrown maybe a yard or

1035
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: two behind the line of scrimmage. So that's a big

1036
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: deal for sure. Let me ask you about Gardner Minshew,

1037
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: because I guess he came up momentarily during our conversation before.

1038
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: Now I know that the Giants are not necessarily looking

1039
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: at him as a as a guy that you know

1040
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: they're going to draft to succeed Ely Manning, at least

1041
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 1: it wouldn't appear that way. But he's certainly an intriguing

1042
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: prospect to a lot of folks. Uh, people I talked

1043
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: to with the combine didn't really know where to place

1044
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: him in terms of third round, fourth round, Does he

1045
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: have more upside and maybe some other people think or

1046
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: is he going to be a career NFL backup. While

1047
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: we have you on the line, we really need to

1048
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: ask you about him. Yeah, for sure. So you're talking

1049
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: about a guy who really burst on the scene. I

1050
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 1: mean he he had sufficient at best numbers at East

1051
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: Carolina University and then transferred out here and and just exploded.

1052
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: And and there's a couple of reasons for that. Internally,

1053
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: he had the opportunity and and and made the most

1054
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: of it. And he's got a great personality. He's a

1055
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: great guy, so that helped out here. He he really

1056
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: did bring the team together in the offseason and and

1057
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: you know, the NFL is a different beast with rookies

1058
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: and expectations and contracts and all that stuff. It's but

1059
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: great kid, great guy, and and somebody who um you know,

1060
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 1: in the era of the personality mattering a lot, especially

1061
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,720
Speaker 1: at the quarterback position in the NFL, and it always has,

1062
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of scrutiny on it. He's an

1063
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: a plus in that regard in terms of just what

1064
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna do with the ball. He's he's incredibly accurate.

1065
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: And coach Leech and and and others that I spoke

1066
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: to during games, so you know, at halftime or or

1067
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: other qbs Uh said he trusts the accuracy of his

1068
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: arms so much that at certain moments and there's a

1069
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: throw I'm thinking of against usc where they beat the Trojans,

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Speaker 1: and then and then a couple of throws against Utah

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00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: that broke plays open because it was so gutsy to

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00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: put it in the spot and it wasn't it wasn't.

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00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: We're not talking like a Brett Farve, I'm gonna hurl

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00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: it across the field, or or an Aaron Rodgers. It

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00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: was more just it was very precise, you know, and

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00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: he'd put it right down the hashes and it would

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00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: bust to play open because it was right at the

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00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: teeth of the defense. But he knew the ball would

1079
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: get in the right spot and and it went for

1080
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: a big play and so big time accuracy. Um, he's athletic.

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00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: You know. He ran for a ten yard touchdown against Utah.

1082
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: And I bring that up because Utah's defense was one

1083
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: of the best in the country, so it was a

1084
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: top two defense in the pack. He ran for a

1085
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: ten yards score. Not every QB could do that. Um,

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00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: his arm strength is good. It's not the best, you know,

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00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: We've we've seen better in the in the in the league,

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00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: in the in the league that has featured a ton

1089
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: of pro qbs lately Jeried Golf, Josh Rosen and Donald

1090
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: and a lot of pro qbs out here. Luke Falk,

1091
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: his arm strength fits in with those guys. I don't

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00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: know that it quite stands out like like Donald or

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00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: even Justin Herbert at Oregon who has a cannon. But

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00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, he's not as good as Minshew. He has

1095
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: not been as good as Gardner, and he's good, but

1096
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: but Gardner's accuracy and understanding of the system put him

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00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: at the next level. And I think for him to

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00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: really go from unknown to third or fourth round in

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00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: one year's probably a testament to something he could probably

1100
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: do in the right situation in the NFL and be

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00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: a starter. He is Match has an out Washington State

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00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: play by play voice to the Cougars Radio Network, Matt.

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00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: They appreciate the time and the insight on Washington State's

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00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 1: prospects and look forward to talk to you down the road.

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00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: Thanks again, Thanks Matt. This is fun, guys, Thanks so much,

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00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:09,919
Speaker 1: Thanks for having great to talk to you. You got

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00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: it same here Matt Chas and now once again right

1108
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: here on Big Blue Kickoff Live. And a reminder the

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00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: program is presented by Coors Light. Download the Coors Live

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00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: Rewards app to win Amazing Giants prizes. Two zero one

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00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: four five one three is the telephone number hashtag Giants Chat.

1112
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: We have a few minutes left on the show. If

1113
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: you do still want to give us a ring, We'll

1114
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: try to squeeze in a call or two before we

1115
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 1: wrap up shop. Obviously, we dedicated a lot of today's

1116
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: program to college prospects, and we're gonna continue to do that.

1117
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: By the way, all throughout the draft, we're gonna be

1118
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: hearing from analysts, played by play announcers, reporters from a

1119
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: variety of schools across the country, just to give us

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00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: a good taste of what this draft class is going

1121
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: to provide. So thanks again to all of our guests

1122
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: today and covering Boston College, Kansas State as well as

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00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: Washington State. Before we do wrap up, though, Paul, I

1124
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: want to get back to some of the comments from

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00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: John Mara and Steve Tesh, and we briefly talked about

1126
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: it off the top, and we read some quotations that

1127
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: they told reporters in Phoenix, and once again not earth

1128
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: shattering news that was said by ownership, but I do

1129
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: think it's important to hear what they had to say,

1130
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: given the fact that the only person that we heard

1131
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 1: from was essentially Dave Gettleman in the wake of the trade,

1132
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: and he made the media rounds. He spoke to a

1133
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 1: variety of stations, but the one narrative that we were

1134
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 1: hearing consistently was that, why would the Giants trade Odell

1135
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: Beckham if they just recently gave him a contract? Why

1136
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 1: not trade him before you even give me the contract?

1137
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: And I read the quote from John Mara and listen,

1138
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: fans could believe whatever they want. They could run with

1139
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: whatever quote, whatever narrative they want, Paul, And I telling

1140
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: you things here is not gonn necessarily do anything. But

1141
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: I'm just I get tired of hearing, Paul that people

1142
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 1: make the assumption that the Giants had plans to trade

1143
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham. For months they did, for years they didn't.

1144
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: And that's why this trade makes no sense. Yet you

1145
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: hear from Dave Ghettoman, you hear from John Murray, you

1146
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: here from Steve Tish, And it's another example of and

1147
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 1: I brought this up tons of times. It's very similar

1148
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: to the Eagles when they ship Sam Bradford out of

1149
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: town they gave him an extension, because when they gave

1150
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: him an extension in two thousand six, Tee Paul, they

1151
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: had every intention of him potentially being their starting quarterback.

1152
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: And then Carson Wentz gets drafted. Because they like Carson Wentz,

1153
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: they bring in Chase Daniel Teddy Bridgewater gets hurt. All

1154
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the market changes and the timeline of

1155
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: events get shuffled up. Lance, I don't want to waste

1156
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: any more time on this ridiculous debate. It's simple. You're

1157
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: not shopping a player if you'll simply take a phone

1158
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: call and listen to somebody. Those are two totally different things,

1159
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: and that's what happened in the Giants case. They were

1160
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: not shopping the guy, but they were willing to listen.

1161
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: That's it. Case closed, There's really nothing to talk about.

1162
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 1: Let's add back to the phone lines before we wrap

1163
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: up shop. Mike is in Oakland. Mike, Welcome to the

1164
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: Big Blue Kick Off Live. What do you got for us?

1165
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: Hey guys, it's nice to be back for a while. Yeah. So,

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00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: you know, I just I just wanted to Um, I

1167
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: just want to put my two cents in there that

1168
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: I think I'm in the minority, but UM, you know,

1169
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: I actually support and understand Odell Beckham trade, and where

1170
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: I'm going on the record is saying that will be

1171
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: a better team this year without him than we were

1172
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,919
Speaker 1: last year, and not because he's not a great talent um,

1173
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: but because he was our biggest tradeable asset, and frankly,

1174
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: we needed three players for one. So um, you know,

1175
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to see him go. I think all Giants

1176
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: fans are sorry to see the guy go, despite you know,

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00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: some of the some of the stilliness he brought to

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00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: some of his actions on and off the field. But

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00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, he was a great player. He was popular

1180
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: in the locker room. His numbers speak for themselves. But look,

1181
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: I think Jabrol Peppers was a great pick up. I'm

1182
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: hoping he's going to mature into a a safety you

1183
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: can actually cover tight ends because he sure has a speed.

1184
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: He's a Jersey boy, you know, you've got to love that, um,

1185
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: and he clearly can play. And you know, look, we

1186
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: got two first round picks, um, and we can uh

1187
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: you know, we got a new we got a third

1188
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,479
Speaker 1: round back. We got a cornerback that nobody's even seen

1189
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: play at this level. But everybody believes he was a

1190
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: second round talent. And he's gonna come back healthy, you know, um,

1191
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: even without him. You know, just look at the safety

1192
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: tandem we have this year. It's got to work better

1193
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: than our safety tandom did last year, you know, because

1194
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: it was kind of a it was a mess last year.

1195
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm I'm I'm spacing out the kid

1196
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: who went to Curtis Riley, who actually just went to

1197
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: the Raiders. But you know, I mean, I've I've never

1198
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: seen so many miss ackles and so much confusion on

1199
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,959
Speaker 1: the back end with Curtis Riley. I wish him well.

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00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: But you know, Anton baffet Is is a is a pro.

1201
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: He's been an All Pro. He knows the game, he's

1202
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: he's proven he can still play. So if you look

1203
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: at Jabrill, Peppers and Bathet on the back end, our

1204
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: safeties are going to be better. I gotta believe. I mean,

1205
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: our offensive lines already better. And once we get uh,

1206
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, I think we'll upgrade the right tackle. Offensive

1207
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: line will be better. I think they're gonna get some

1208
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: talent on defense. Overall, you've got to look at the team.

1209
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: It's a team game. O'Dell is a great player. But hell,

1210
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: I'll take that three to one. Understood. I appreciate the

1211
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: phone call. And by the way, the Giants were also

1212
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: able to reverse the fourth and fifth round picks out

1213
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: of the ronin Zeitler trade, So now the Giants get

1214
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: their fourth back and the Browns revert back to the

1215
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: fifth round. Now, look, that may not mean something to

1216
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: some people, but it sure does when all of a

1217
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: sudden in the fourth round, the Giants are making that

1218
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: pick on the board and you realize that they would

1219
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: still have had to have gone many, many other players

1220
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: down the board if they had flopped the picks with

1221
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: the Browns into the fifth round. It's a small, small

1222
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: part of the overall scope of the deal, but trust me,

1223
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: when they're actually making that selection, the Giants will be

1224
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: happy that they're on the board making a pick because

1225
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: they're gonna have more guys to choose from than if

1226
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: they had to go back into the fifth round, which

1227
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 1: they originally did with the Browns trade involving the monement. Yeah,

1228
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: it basically stayed status quo by the trade because it

1229
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: was reversed. There's not no movement. Everybody goes back to

1230
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 1: their original selections. But I mean, just really quickly, getting

1231
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: back to Mike's point, I mean that, to me, is

1232
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: the major philosophy behind this trade. The fact that you

1233
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: move one player to get multiple assets, including a player

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01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: to address multiple needs. One player on offense is not

1235
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: going to solve issues on defense. It's not gonna necessarily

1236
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: solve issues on special teams. So when you look at

1237
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: the teams that made the playoffs this year, you didn't

1238
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: have teams that had one of three facets that got

1239
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: them there. You had teams that had multiple facets that

1240
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: got them there. And that's the way it usually works. Well,

1241
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: I know, I'm staying the obvious, but sometimes you have

1242
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: to revisit the obvious when it gets lost. Been translation

1243
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: that as much as people want to focus on a

1244
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: quarterback playing hero ball, the teams that win Super Bowls

1245
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: are the teams that also have defense. Special teams are

1246
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: running game and offensive line and so forth. And it's

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01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: not just one player, is my point alone that is

1248
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: going to resurrect the team? Okay, and it's as simple

1249
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: as that, all right. Before we wrap things up, just

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01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,760
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1254
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: more schools as we get set for the two thousand

1255
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: nineteen NFL Draft, and we'll try to squeeze in as

1256
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 1: many phone calls as well for Paul to Tino um Lancevenno.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy the rest of your Monday and always stay locked

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