1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arm Strong 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: and Gatty and he Armstrong and Getty. You don't know, 4 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: how's it going? Glad you're here. And we mentioned a 5 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. 6 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: October means the Supreme Court's back in session. First Monday 7 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,319 Speaker 2: in October they start back up again. I've already had 8 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 2: questions about that. We welcome to the studio. Actually in 9 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: the studio, Tim Sanderfer of the Goldwater And so. 10 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: Now I have to admit the only reason I came 11 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: down to the studio was for your life size cardboard 12 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: cutout of Taylor Swift, which we do have. Yeah. No, 13 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: it's great to be back. It's been a long time 14 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: since I've been in here. It's nice to see it. 15 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: Why does the Supreme Court take a break? Why don't 16 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 2: they work year round? And they had so many cases 17 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: between June and October this year. Why don't they just 18 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,919 Speaker 2: stay in session year around like other people with jobs. 19 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: In one sense, they do. They do sort of work 20 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: all year round because they're always on call for emergency 21 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: cases and things like that. But the term that begins 22 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: in October and ends in late June. Right before the 23 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: July fourth break is when they hear oral arguments and 24 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: issue decisions, and they try to get all of the calendar, 25 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: all the decisions that on the calendar issued by the 26 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: end of that of that session. And most state Supreme 27 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: courts do not do that. The most, like California Supreme 28 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: Court is always in session. But it's just an old tradition. 29 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: I think the justice is like their summer vacation time 30 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: they get to go on these junkets to foreign countries, 31 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: or they teach classes for some law school that hosts 32 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: an event in Spain, and you know, it's kind of 33 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: a just the way they've done things, and you know 34 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: in the law, if they've done things for a long time, 35 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: that becomes legal. Right. 36 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: Interesting, So this particular Supreme Court session, what are cases 37 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 2: that you're excited about? And as you always point out, 38 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: what cases they decide to take as big as the rulings. 39 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. And because they don't have to hear 40 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: every case, they can choose to take a case or not, 41 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: and in fact, they only take about one percent of 42 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: all the cases that they are asked to decide. Yeah, yeah, 43 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 1: and fewer every year, really, And how do they vote 44 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: on that? Is that just a majority five for it's 45 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 1: four justices, so there's nine of them. If four of 46 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: them say they want to hear a case, then they 47 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: go ahead and together the case on the theory that 48 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: you might swing one vote one way or the other. 49 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: But the one good point, the one that really stood 50 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: out just this week is on Monday, the Supreme Court 51 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: said that they want to hear a case, well, a 52 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: few justices said they want to hear a case about 53 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,119 Speaker 1: parental rights, and in particular these cases that are popping 54 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: up all over the country of schools deciding to transition 55 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: a student from male to female or female to male 56 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: and then conceal that information from a parent. And we 57 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: at the Goldwater Institute, in fact, are litigating one of 58 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: these cases. We file the petition the Supreme Court that 59 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: we're waiting for them to decide whether to take this 60 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: case or not. Out of Maine, where a school district 61 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: in Maine decided to take our client's child and give 62 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: this child a a device to restrain her breast so 63 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: that she would look male when putting a shirt on. 64 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: Was a teenager and gave this child two of these 65 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: and then said to the to the child, well, we 66 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: don't we won't tell your parents, and you don't have 67 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: to tell your parents. And then and so this would 68 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: lose my mind. Can you imagine? Can you imagine? These 69 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: are these schools are supposed to be You're supposed to 70 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: be entrusting these schools to take care of your kids 71 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: while teaching them reading, writing, arithmetic, and history, and and 72 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: that's that's what they're supposed to be doing. And instead 73 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: they've taken this very I'm sure they think of it 74 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: as very proactive and protective, but I would call it 75 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: aggressive approach in actively trying to withhold information from parents, 76 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: and the kind of information that is really central to 77 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: a parent raising a child. I mean, psycho sexual development 78 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: of a teenager is something a parent needs to be 79 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: there to help a child through. And the schools are saying, no, no, 80 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: you shouldn't have a say in the matter. And well, 81 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: the U. S. Supreme Court has said in the past 82 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: the parents have a fundamental constitutional right to control the 83 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: education and upbringing of their children. And so we say 84 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: that what the school did violated that constitutional right, and 85 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: we've asked the Supreme Court to take that case. Well, 86 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: what happened on Monday was that Justice as Alito, Thomas, 87 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: and Gorsich issued a dec issued in an order, you know, 88 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: it wasn't a ruling, but issued an order saying we 89 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: would really like to hear a case like this. There 90 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: was another case similar facts to Court decided not to 91 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: take the case, but they said, well, we would like 92 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: to hear a case along these lines. And they're going 93 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: to have to eventually. I mean, as the regulatory state 94 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: expands its control, and as the teachers' unions can expand 95 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: their control, and as the state increasingly things that it 96 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: knows better than you do how to raise your kids, 97 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: you're going to find more and more and more of 98 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: these conflicts. And there has to be a limit, a 99 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: line drawn to protect the rights of parents to raise 100 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: their kids. 101 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: And if the Supreme Court decides that now you can't 102 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 2: do they can't keep that sort of stuff secret from 103 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 2: the parents, Will that have tentacles beyond just try and stuff. 104 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: Oh oh, definitely it will. And in fact, they've sort 105 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: of already did started doing this. So last term, the 106 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: Court decided a case about schools that were teaching lessons 107 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: to kids about sexuality like same sex, marriages, transsexuals, et cetera, 108 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: et cetera. In and this was very young kids. I 109 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: don't remember exactly, but you know, elementary and pre elementary's 110 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: kids in Virginia. And the question in that case was 111 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: do the parents have a constitutional right to opt their 112 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: kids out to say, I just don't want my kids 113 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: to go through these these lessons? And the Supreme Court 114 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: said yes they do. Now, the reason that you do 115 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: have that constitution right, and the reason that's important is 116 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: because there's been this question among lawyers and judges over 117 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: the level of how far does the parent's right to 118 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: protect and direct the upbringing of a child, How far 119 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: does that extend? Does it stop when you choose what 120 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: school to send your kid to, Because that's what a 121 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: lot of courts have said, a lot like circuit courts 122 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: of appeals have said, well, yes, you have a constitution 123 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: right to control the education of your child, but once 124 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: you've chosen what school to send your kid to, that's 125 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: the end of it. Then it's up to the school 126 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: that you know that the you we can and that 127 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: makes sense because you can't have parents going in there 128 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: and vetoing everything that a public school wants to do 129 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: you know, have a Heckler's veto over the entire curriculum 130 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: of a school. I can see why they're concerned about that, 131 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: but it also it can't be the case that your 132 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: parents your rights as a parent end once you send 133 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: your kid to the public school and then they can 134 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: do whatever they want. And sure enough, in this Virginia case, 135 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court said, no, a parent's rights do not 136 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: end at the schoolhouse gate. Well, if that's true, then 137 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: that the same applies to these situations where schools are 138 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: concealing vital information from parents about how their kids are developing. 139 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: What's that quote you always have from the early twentieth century, 140 00:06:58,360 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 2: Progressive is about schools? 141 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: And oh yeah, well, you know the progressive thought of 142 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: public education as a means of shaping the minds of 143 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: of kids. And Woodrow Woodrow Wilson. Am I living through 144 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: that right now totally? And Woodrow Wilson, who you know, 145 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: he was the only president with a PhD. He was 146 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: like a college president before he became President of the 147 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: United States. He was a leading progressive intellectual. He has 148 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: this speech where he says that the goal of the 149 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: school is to make the child as unlike the parent 150 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: as possible, and that was so great. It's a very 151 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: extreme way of putting it. But you s, what they 152 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: were thinking is, well, they were like, the problems, all 153 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: the tensions and difficulties that we have in America, those 154 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,559 Speaker 1: can be resolved by taking all the kids and putting 155 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: them together and teaching them, you know, how to be 156 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: good citizens. Which maybe that sounds good to you in 157 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: the abstract, but the problem is what do you mean 158 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: by good citizens? All right? Yeah? 159 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 2: The problem the problem with that, obviously is they have determined, 160 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 2: we have figured out what is best for all of 161 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: you know, America, and that's what we're going to teach kids. 162 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: And fortunately there are alternatives. There's school choice programs throughout 163 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: the country that parents can take advantage of to get 164 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: their kids into schools that are tailor made or a 165 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: tailor designed for their kids. And especially in my home 166 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: state of Arizona, we have a wonderfully successful program, the 167 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: Empowerment Scholarship Account Program, where a parent can decide what 168 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: schools to send their kids to and get them out 169 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: of failing public schools or public schools that aren't serving 170 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: their kids needs, maybe their kids have special needs or 171 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: that are abusing their power in these ways, and what 172 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: we need is more school choice, more power in the 173 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,599 Speaker 1: hands of parents, and less power in the hands of 174 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: bureaucrats who again think that they know better than you 175 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: do how your kids ought to be raised. 176 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 2: You and your wife are committed to non child people, 177 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,439 Speaker 2: But it would be so awesome if you had kids, 178 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 2: just because I can imagine, I mean, because you get 179 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: fired up about this on behalf of other people's kids. 180 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: I can't imagine if your kids. It's a scary thought. 181 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: I had not thought of it till you mentioned that. 182 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: But you're right, I can't imagine. You mean a school 183 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: board meeting. I was, well, I just think about how 184 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: I was when I was in school. I was already 185 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: a kind of a nonconformist when I was forced to 186 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 1: go to the government schools, and I made life pretty 187 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: pretty hell for my parents my teachers when I was 188 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: in school, So I can imagine what I would do 189 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: if it was my kid. 190 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 2: Well, I promised to get back to the Supreme Court stuff. 191 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: But tim was helpful to me and my story of 192 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: my son taking a public school American history class and 193 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 2: on day one having to write a land acknowledgment about 194 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 2: the tribe that had owned the land board the school. 195 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: Was and how we should all feel so horrible about that? 196 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: Who and that tribe probably stole it from some other tribe, 197 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: and that tribe stole it from some other tribe. I mean, 198 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: I would I just pray for the day when somebody 199 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: requires somebody to do a land acknowledgment for the Commanchee, 200 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: you know, the most aggressive imperial power in Native America 201 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: that just slought or countless other tribes and stole their land. 202 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: And yet now you know, and somebody does this land 203 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 1: was once possessed by the commanche you know, And I 204 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: would love to see that. Yeah, that's amazing. 205 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 2: They must not do this in Europe, right, the land acknowledgement, 206 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 2: because it'd be impossible if you had a square foot 207 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 2: of France, right or Germany? 208 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: I mean, how in the hell would you do This 209 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: land used to belong to Germany and then Russia and 210 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: then Germany and then France and then Germany and then Russia. 211 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 2: And yeah, it would be very, very complicated. What other 212 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 2: Supreme Court cases are you excited about this? 213 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: Well, the there's an important gun rights case that's going 214 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: to go up there, and and this case is it's 215 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: it's kind of tough as an intellectual matter, at least 216 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: as I think so. And that is so, the state 217 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: of Hawaii passes a law that says you're not allowed 218 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: to bring a gun onto private property without the express 219 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 1: permission of the owner. Now, on one hand, that makes 220 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: sense to me, because I wouldn't bring a gun into 221 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: my friend's house without saying, Hey, by the way, I 222 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: have a gun, is it okay with you if I 223 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: bring it into the house. But on the other hand, 224 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: the reason this law has passed was because most people 225 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: are probably not going to put up a sign on 226 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: their houses is it's okay for you to bring a 227 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: gun on this property something? And so it's kind of 228 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: a clever way of preventing people from carrying guns anywhere. 229 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: Oh okay, right. And so the question presented in the 230 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: case is to what level can the state manipulate this 231 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: sort of baseline rule, this the default rule of whether 232 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: you're allowed to with with as long as nobody forbids you, 233 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: or whether you're not allowed to unless you get express permission. 234 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: And that's a tough question. Opt in opt out stuff 235 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 2: always drives me crazy. Who decides which which it's going 236 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 2: to be right. 237 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: And so now the court has been pretty good about 238 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: protecting gun rights, but there are some contray examples. There 239 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: have been some cases that where the court has not, 240 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 1: you know, been as aggressive in protecting these rights as 241 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: I would like. And so I do worry about them 242 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: setting a decision here that's gonna weaken the right to 243 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: possess firearms. But on the other hand, property rights, I 244 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: have a right to decide whether some sure the property 245 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: brings it out of my property or on. 246 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 2: The course of course, I got questions about that and 247 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 2: other stuff with Tim sanderf for coming up on and 248 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 2: tell you about price picks. 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Yeah, 269 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 2: look forward to that. 270 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: All on the way stay here are Strong and. 271 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 2: Tim Sander is thankfully committed to sticking around for a 272 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: little while talking about these Supreme Court cases or various 273 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: state cases. 274 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: But we're just discussing. 275 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 2: One of the reasons I think Tim is a fan 276 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 2: favorite has been for many years on The Armstrong and 277 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 2: Getty Show is your ability to explain these complicated cases 278 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: in a way that's normal people like us can understand. 279 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: You know. I think part of the reason for that 280 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 1: is that I was never a very good student in school, 281 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: and so the teacher would get up there and lecture 282 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: about something I wouldn't get it, so I'd have to 283 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: go out and learn it. Myself, so I would pull 284 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: down the book and read it myself, and that's how 285 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: I got it. And so I know how I learned 286 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: this stuff, and so when I explained it to other people, 287 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: I tell them the way that I figured it out 288 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: as opposed to the way that it's normally talked about 289 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: in other circles. And I think that might be part 290 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: of the reason that is really interesting. Have you ever 291 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: thought about teaching in the law school. I have taught 292 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: a couple classes. I've taught a class at McGeorge and Sacramento. 293 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: I taught a class at George Mason in Virginia. I 294 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: just taught a class two years ago at Arizona State University. 295 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: So I have taught a couple times and all bit 296 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: the students loved it. Well, I don't know, you have 297 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: to ask them, but it was a lot of work. 298 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: That's the thing. I felt sorry for my law professors 299 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 1: in retrospect because I had not realized when I was 300 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: a student how much work it really is. That you 301 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: have to just do it. 302 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 2: Once and then you're written, and then you could keep 303 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 2: doing the same spiel for the next. 304 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, thirty years. Yeah, I suppose you could, you know, 305 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: just update your outline as you go. That is true. 306 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: But on the other hand, you would think that speaking 307 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: for two hours is twice as hard as speaking for 308 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: one hour, and actually it's like fifty times. How I 309 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: want speaking for an hour. It's keeping the students' attention 310 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: and not being boring. That's the thing I just dread 311 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: being boring. 312 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, tell me about it. We call that 313 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 2: flop sweat in radio business, when you start feeling, Okay, 314 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 2: this is not working. So how did vaping become a 315 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: court case? 316 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: Look at? So? One of the things that makes the 317 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: Goldwater Institute where I work, unique is that we try 318 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: to focus on state constitutions, on the rights that are 319 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: protected by your state constitution, which a lot of people 320 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: forget about. They'll talk about the Bill of Rights and 321 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: they forget about the fact that your state constitution protects 322 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: more rights typically than does the federal Constitution. So we 323 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: like to go to state supreme courts to defend state 324 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: constitutional rights. And we have a case pending in the 325 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: Oregon Supreme Court. In fact, it was just argued a 326 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: couple of days ago about the freedom of speech under 327 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: the state constitution, and it involves a state law that 328 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: makes it illegal to package vaping products in a manner 329 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: that quote might be attractive to miners end quote. And 330 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: that term whatever might be attractive to miners is determined 331 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: by a government bureaucracy, because you know, a whole bunch 332 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: of middle aged bureaucrats and a government entity. They really 333 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: have their fingers on the pulse of youthful America. 334 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: Right. 335 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: And so we say this violates freedom of speech. Our 336 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: client runs a vaping shop. Kids aren't even allowed in 337 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: his shop. Nevertheless, under this law, he cannot even put 338 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: a picture of a cherry on a box full of 339 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: cherry flavored vaping liquid. The state has said that that 340 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: is illegal. Well, that obviously violates your freedom of speech. 341 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 2: Right, and it could be you know, you could just 342 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 2: trapolate that to so many other things. 343 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't put you can't say what, you can't 344 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: say a truthful message about what's in the contents of 345 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: a package. And if this isn't even I mean, if 346 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: the if the constitution doesn't protect your right to speak 347 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: the truth, you've got some real problems there, right. And 348 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: the bureaucracy there when they when we sued they can't, 349 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: they came back and said, well, you you're not allowed 350 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: to sue yet because we haven't written the regulations. We 351 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: haven't told you yet what is attractive to minors, which 352 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: is just that's crazy. I mean, the idea that bureau 353 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: bureaucrats can be empowered to decide what speech you are 354 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: and aren't allowed to express, and then that you're not 355 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: allowed to challenge it until they write the rules is wild. 356 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: So we went up to the Oregon Supreme Court just 357 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: a few days ago and one of my colleagues, John Thorpe, 358 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: argued that case and it went pretty well. I think, 359 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: you know, I got my fingers crossed about that case. Cool. 360 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 2: Would people like you I others who like smaller government, 361 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 2: would we rather were living under more state constitution rules 362 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 2: than federal constitution rules? 363 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,239 Speaker 1: In some ways yes, and in some ways no. So 364 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: it is true that state constitutions tend to protect freedom 365 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: more broadly than the federal Constitution does. But you can't 366 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: just leave it to the states. We have to have 367 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: that federal protection against states. So think the Fourteenth amendmentant 368 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: that prevents the state from violating your federal constitutional rights 369 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: is crucial in protecting that. But for the most part, 370 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: of course, these decisions should mostly be made at the 371 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: state level. Political decisions generally, and constitutional rights should be 372 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 1: understood mostly at the state level because state judges, for 373 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 1: one thing, they typically are either elected or we have 374 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: retention elections, so you have more control over them, and 375 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: they're more attuned to the history and culture of that state, 376 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: and they know what the constitution means. 377 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 2: I have more questions about that, and we're going to 378 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 2: talk about more Supreme Court cases coming up with Tim Sandfer, 379 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 2: who works with the Goldwater Institute and has been a 380 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 2: fan favored of the Armstrong and Getty Show. 381 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: For how many years? Oh, it's been at least a decade. 382 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 2: No longer than that. Yeah, Yeah, we've been doing this. Yeah, 383 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 2: so it's sad to think about. 384 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: Really. So we got a lot on the way. 385 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 2: I hope you can stay with us if you missed 386 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 2: a segment or now we get the podcast Armstrong and 387 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 2: Getty on demand. 388 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: Stay with us Armstrong and Getty. We're talking with Tim 389 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 1: Sander of the Goldwater Institute. 390 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 2: Anything nice you want to say about Goldwater Institute before 391 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 2: I start asking you questions. 392 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: We're a nonprofit organization devoted to protecting individual rights in 393 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: courts and in legislatures. Across the country. We're defending your 394 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: right to Our greatest achievement really is Right to Try, 395 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: which is a legislation that was signed by President Trump 396 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: in his previous term that protects your right if you 397 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: are a terminally ill patient to access medicine that has 398 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: been approved for safety but not yet fully approved for 399 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: sale by the FDA. And now we're branching out into 400 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: Right to Try two point zero, which is an effort 401 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 1: to legally protect your right to access tailor made medical 402 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: treatment that's designed just for you. 403 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 2: I'm glad you guys did that. It's insane that it 404 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 2: wasn't already the case. I mean, it's just close my mind. 405 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 2: For years that we've been talking about this. 406 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 1: It really is. Well. We were just talking about how 407 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: bureaucrats think they know better than you do about how 408 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: to raise your kids. A lot of the time, bureaucrats 409 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,959 Speaker 1: think they know better than you do what medicines you 410 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: ought to be allowed to even choose from, even when 411 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: you're a patient with a terminal illness that can't be 412 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: cured anyway, and you there's an opportunity to take this 413 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,959 Speaker 1: investigational medicine that might improve things for you, and then 414 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: some bureaucrat comes in and says, no, no, we're not. 415 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: You can't do that. 416 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: One of my favorite phrases from that whole thing was 417 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 2: you might give them false. 418 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: Hope, false hope. That's right. Well, no hope is false. 419 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 2: How about I'm allowed to, in my final days alive 420 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: as a human being, to have some false hope, you 421 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 2: son of a bitch. 422 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, and some and some authority over my own decision. 423 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: That's crazy. 424 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 2: How before we get to a specific case, how left 425 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 2: are law schools in general across the country. 426 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 1: They are so much worse than you could possibly imagine 427 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: the entire legal is right. Well, there's a number of 428 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,959 Speaker 1: historical reasons, I'm sure. I mean, part of it, I 429 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: think is the romanticism of the sixties, you know, the 430 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: hero the heroism of Brown versus Board of Education that 431 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: then spread after that into this notion that the civil 432 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: rights lawyers were the champions of social justice and so forth. 433 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: And that was part of it, even though even when 434 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: that got sidetracked into these crazy left wing notions that 435 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: have nothing to do with justice. But I think the 436 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: biggest problem is the very phrase social justice. Law schools 437 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 1: are not very good on philosophy, and they teach a 438 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: corrupted notion of what justice means. They think a lot 439 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: of people think justice means equality. Justice does not mean equality. 440 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: Justice and equality, in fact, have very little to do 441 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: with one another. Justice means ensuring that every person gets 442 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: what is his or her own, and equality is about 443 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: distributing to things to people according to some set formula. 444 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: And so justice inequality of very different things. But nobody 445 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: talks about this in law school, and so people emerge 446 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 1: from law school thinking they're deeply educated with these perverse 447 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: notions about what justice even means to begin with. 448 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 2: So if the legal education system in this country is 449 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 2: way left, what is the result of that. 450 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: Do we turn out a whole bunch of left lawyers? 451 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 3: We do. 452 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: We have tons and tons of left lawyers and left 453 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: judges who often, I think, have never seriously even considered 454 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: the alternative. And so they've been kind of gobsmacked by 455 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: the rise of the federalist society and the backlash against 456 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 1: what we lawyers call the New Deal Settlement, that the 457 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: way that constitutional law has been interpreted since the nineteen 458 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: thirties or so. There's been this effort to push back 459 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: against that, and I think It really surprised a lot 460 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: of legal intellectuals. Lawrence Tribe, who you know, very famous 461 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: law professor, refused even to publish the second volume of 462 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: his treatise on Constitutional Law because he said he no 463 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: longer understood constitutional law. Well good, because the constitutional law 464 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: he's been p's in practicing is kakame Ma. 465 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 2: And then you were talking about Goldwater Institute gets involved 466 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 2: in state constitutions a lot. What what couple of states 467 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 2: have the wackiest constitutions? 468 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: Oh? Wow, Well, Montana's is pretty bad. It's written in 469 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies and it has all sorts of sort 470 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: of lefty notions in it. But I and Hawaii's my 471 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: favorite thing. Hawaii. Actually the law of the splintered Paddle 472 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: is part of their constitution. Nobody knows what the law 473 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: of the splintered paddle means, but it's an ancient thing 474 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 1: that dates back to Kamema, so it's in the constitution. Okay, 475 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: But I think the general consensus is that Alabama has 476 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: the worst state constitution. It's been amended so many times 477 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: that it's several hundred pages long, and it has every 478 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: little last detail of state law on embedded in it. 479 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: And it's just too complicated for words. I mean, California 480 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: is pretty lousy. California is a bad has a lowsy constitution, 481 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: but it's not quite that bad. Wow, that is really interesting. 482 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 2: But the laboratories of democracy, you know, at least we 483 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 2: get to see how it works out. 484 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: You have a lot of crazy experiments in some of 485 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: those laboratories. I mean, you're experimenting on human beings. But 486 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: that that's consent, right, true. 487 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 2: You do have the opportunity to leave the state if 488 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 2: you want to. What other case the Supreme Court's taking 489 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 2: up your interest to do it? Well. 490 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: Of course, the biggest case on the horizon as far 491 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: as I'm concerned, is the tariff case that we're talking 492 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: about Federal Constitution now and the Federal Supreme Court, and 493 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: that is the constitutionality of President Trump's tariffs, which are 494 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: I know, totally unconstitutional, totally illegal. 495 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 2: I know nothing about this, but the idea that one guy, 496 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 2: any guy Trump, or anybody else could make that sort 497 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 2: of a decision for America in the world just doesn't 498 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 2: seem on its face correct. 499 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: You would have floored the authors of the Constitution of 500 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: the United States, who had lived through the American Revolution 501 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: and had experienced exactly that and wrote a constitution to 502 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: prohibit exactly that thing from happening. Of a single person 503 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: imposing taxes on the whole nation in the amount that 504 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: he chooses, for whatever reason he wants, for as long 505 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: as he decides that's that's wild. And but I don't 506 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: think that the I'll get to the constitutional issue in 507 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: this case. I think they'll probably decide this on statutory grounds. 508 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is the teriffs are 509 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: supposedly in accordance with a statute called AEPA, which stands 510 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: for something I don't remember, and AYIPA does not actually 511 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: allow for tariffs. What it says is that the president 512 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 1: can in a case in an emergency, the president can 513 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: regulate or seize products from foreign countries in commerce and 514 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: things like that. It's designed to freeze assets and capture 515 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: things so that people aren't sending bad stuff to the 516 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: enemy in wartime and stuff. The statute is not designed 517 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: to allow for these tariffs that are just designed or 518 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: formulated however the president wants. So I think the court 519 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: is going to say that they don't satisfy it. But 520 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: shouldn't they have taken that up like last week, given. 521 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 2: The fact that I mean we're threatening one hundred percent 522 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 2: tariffs on everything from China starting November first. 523 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be nice if some of these things 524 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: are faster. But to know, in their defense, there's so 525 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: much stuff that's been coming at them, There's so much 526 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: unconstitutional stuff that's been going on that's been thrown at 527 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 1: their heads. You know, there's only so much time that 528 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: they can resolve these cases, do they. 529 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 2: I know, sometimes you prioritize things and move them up, 530 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 2: like you know, deciding on uh, you know, Nixon and 531 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 2: Watergate and all kinds of things that where you just decide, 532 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 2: we got to have an emergency session. 533 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: But right in general, you just let it come down, 534 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: like when it comes down the pipe. So here's the thing. 535 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 1: So the the Feds said, because the plaintiffs in that 536 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: case said, well, you need to resolve this really quickly 537 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: for all the reasons you just said, and the Trump 538 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: administration said, no, no, there's no hurry because we can 539 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: always refund people the taxes if these things are declared 540 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: to league, that wouldn't be complicated at all. And then 541 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,959 Speaker 1: at the same time, the administration is putting out these 542 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: press releases saying, we have to keep these tariffs in 543 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 1: place because it would be economic chaos if they get 544 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: struck down, because then we'd have to refund everybody's money. 545 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: They were literally saying the opposite thing simultaneously. I know 546 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: that that is ordinary nowadays, but to me that's still 547 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: shock us. 548 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 2: Lay people don't fully understand that. You know, these things 549 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 2: have to work their way through courts, through a low 550 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 2: lower level all the way to the higher level, and 551 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 2: it takes its time or everything like that. 552 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: But there's so many. 553 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 2: Examples, like the can a fifteen year old boy participat 554 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 2: in girls sports in high school? 555 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: It just seems like this is gonna get to the 556 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. Can we just do it now and decide? 557 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 2: Or the same thing, can you be a sanctuary city 558 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 2: and just decide we don't agree, Well, you just decide 559 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 2: these now. 560 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: Part of the reason I mentioned now the court takes 561 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: only one percent of the cases and fewer every year. 562 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: A part of the thing is I think some of 563 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: the conservative justices have wanted the Supreme Court not to 564 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: decide these questions. They sort of tend to want lower 565 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: courts to resolve these questions. The problem with that is, 566 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: of course, the lower courts disagree with each other sometimes, 567 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: but I think that the Supreme Court sees itself as 568 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: they're worried that they don't because they follow this no 569 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: nonsense idea of a judicial restraint. We don't want unelected 570 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: judges controlling everything, which scares everybody else but doesn't scare me, 571 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: because I'm worried about judges getting things wrong, whether they 572 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: get it wrong by being too active or too passive, 573 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: I'm worried about them getting the wrong. I'm not worried 574 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: about being activists. I'm worried about them being wrong. Those 575 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: are two completely different things. I think it's a very 576 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: bad thing when the Court stands back and says, we're 577 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: not gonna we're not gonna interfere, We're gonna let the 578 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: government violate your rights and we're not going to do 579 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: anything about it, because we don't want to have activist judges. 580 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: I think that's a terrible idea. Anyway. What I think 581 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: we're seeing is that the Supreme Court is trying to 582 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: offload some of its work to these lower courts, and 583 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: so they are taking fewer of those cases and not 584 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: necessarily deciding them as quickly as as otherwise. They just 585 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: don't want to have their fingerprints on it. Yeah, and well, 586 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: because they they buy this notion that unelected judges shouldn't 587 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: have all this power. Okay, and again I of course, 588 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: of course nobody should do things wrong if they're in government. 589 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: But the idea that that judicial activism is a serious 590 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: threat is wildly overbrown, overblown. Congress and the President violate 591 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: your rights on an hourly basis in this country. I'm 592 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: far more worried about them than I am about the courts. 593 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: The courts are so they have very little power or 594 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: all they can do is pronounce what the law is. 595 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: The Congress and the president can resist them very powerfully. 596 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: But when the Congress does stuff and the President does stuff, 597 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 1: the violate your rights, and the Court folds its hands 598 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: and says, we're not going to do anything about that 599 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: because we don't want to be activist judges. That's a 600 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: breakdown in our constitutional system that was never intended to 601 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: be that way. 602 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 2: How often, and then, obviously this is a complete opinion, 603 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 2: a judgment opinion, But how often does the Supreme Court 604 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 2: make mistakes? 605 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: Do you think, oh, they get it wrong, Yeah, they 606 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: get things wrong very frequently. But oh, nowadays I would 607 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,479 Speaker 1: say I think they get things wrong about Oh, I 608 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,479 Speaker 1: guess forty percent of the time. But I guess it 609 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: depends on whether you mean get things wrong by not 610 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: doing things that I wish they would do, as opposed 611 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: to doing things that I wish they wouldn't do. I mean, 612 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff where like I'm, for instance, 613 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,719 Speaker 1: I'm not an originalist. You know. The originalism is this 614 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: big popular trend right now where these judges are like, well, 615 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: what the Founding's fathers thought that the Constitution meant is 616 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: what it'll meant for all time, And that sounds plausible 617 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: at first, but when you get down to it, it's 618 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: just not how language really works. And so you know, 619 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: for that reason, I also find myself disagree with a 620 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: lot of people on my own side. I love Justice Thomas, 621 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: for instance, but I find that I disagree with him 622 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: about a lot of things. I don't think that, you know, 623 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: our constitutional rights should be interpreted in accordance with what 624 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: the Puritans thought when they landed in Massachusetts, and this 625 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: we do you call what you are? I don't know. 626 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: I have to That's the best word that I've been 627 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: able to find for what I am. Okay, yeah, Yeah, 628 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: I'm hoping to figure this out. I have a big 629 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: paper that's coming out later this year that we're all 630 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: talk about this, and maybe that'll help me figure out 631 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: what the title is. 632 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, So on the how often do they get it wrong? 633 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 2: It reminds me of the like when they do the 634 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 2: right track wrong track? You know, is the country going 635 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 2: the right direction wrong direction? And the number's really high, Well, 636 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 2: half the people want it to be further left, and 637 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 2: have the people want to be further right, So it 638 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 2: doesn't really tell you anything that's right. 639 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: That's why the government should have less power over our lives, 640 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: because we don't want those crazy people over there, whoever 641 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: they might be, to control oh what I get to 642 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: do with my life. And that's the whole benefit of 643 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: limited constitutional government is that you get to decide your 644 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: own life in your own way, and other people don't 645 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: get to come in and tell you how to live 646 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: what they think is your proper life. And unfortunately neither 647 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: party today believes in that. Yeah, that's a good point. 648 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 2: The less the government is involved, the less it matters 649 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 2: whether they get it right or on. 650 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: Because they're not deciding for me. The people sometimes say, well, yeah, 651 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: I've had this happen to me. But Tim, yeah, you 652 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: believe in freedom, but that's an optimistic view of human nature. 653 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: You think people are good and that they're going to 654 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: do good things with freedom. No, it's exactly the opposite. 655 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: I believe in freedom because I don't trust other people 656 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: to be to make the right decisions from my life. 657 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: I think other people are often ignorant, they're very foolish. 658 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes they're corrupt, they're bribed, they don't know what 659 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: they're doing, and they'll make mistakes. So their mistakes should 660 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: be confined to their own lives. They shouldn't be allowed 661 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: to inflict their mistakes on my life. That's the argument 662 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: for freedom. That's a good point to end on. 663 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 2: Another excellent point from Tim Sandffer, as he's done where 664 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 2: we figured it out like twenty years yes on the 665 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty went a year as we all enter 666 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 2: the winter of our lives. 667 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: So thanks for your time, Tim, Thank you so much. 668 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 3: Police say two suspects ambushed to Florida couple at gunpoint 669 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 3: near Tampa. Almost two months later, please say they've now 670 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 3: caught the attackers thanks to something very small taped under 671 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 3: the victim's vehicle. 672 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: The search of. 673 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 3: Their vehicle, our detectives did find that Apple AirTag. The 674 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 3: Hillsborough County Sheriff's offices records tied that hidden Apple AirTag 675 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 3: to twenty six year old Luis Enrique Charles, who was. 676 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: Arrested last week. 677 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 3: Apple's website spells out how people can get alerts about 678 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 3: nearby tracking devices like air tags. 679 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: Typically, it's on your settings whether you can be notified, 680 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: whether the AirTag pops in on your phone or not. Yeah, 681 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: it's interesting the Apple AirTag. 682 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 2: I mean, when I was a kid, the idea of 683 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 2: owning a tracking device that you could have put on 684 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 2: somebody's car or luggage or whatever would have been so 685 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 2: James Bond and crazy. Yeah, and scary and dangerous. And 686 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 2: now everybody's got access to one. But I keep forgetting. Yeah, 687 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 2: you there's a setting and I should do this on 688 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 2: my phone. There's a setting where you can see if 689 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 2: there are Apple tags nearby. 690 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: I have it turned on. Yeah, all women should. Nobody's 691 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: trying to get to me. 692 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 2: Uh but never no, but yeah, it'd be it's good 693 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 2: to know if somebody has decided. God, I would think, yeah, 694 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 2: if you're a woman, you got to have it turned on, Yeah, 695 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 2: the idea every time you leave a night nightclub, the 696 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 2: concern that the guy that kept asking to dance and 697 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 2: you kept saying no is slipped an Apple tag into 698 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 2: your car or purse or whatever. H Oh my god, 699 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 2: brave New world. We're talking about scams a little bit earlier. 700 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 2: And it wasn't just for the web route commercials that 701 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 2: were regularly doing to try to deal with getting hacked 702 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 2: and whatnot. It just we're all confronted with this so 703 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 2: many times per day. Every one of us gets up 704 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 2: and deletes like ten emails that are clearly attempts to 705 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 2: steal from us, or texts on your phone or whatever else. 706 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 2: Got this text id theft. There were three student loans 707 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 2: opened in my name that I've been trying to clear 708 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 2: for over a year. I've filled out and submitted copious 709 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 2: amounts of paperwork, and the latest request from the lender 710 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 2: is for a copy of my high school to diploma 711 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 2: to prove who I am. I don't know about you, 712 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 2: but I can't lay my hands on my high school diploma. 713 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: Oh geez. 714 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, this person said, I'm sixty five years old and 715 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 2: I'm not doing the footwork to acquire a copy of 716 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 2: my effing. 717 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: High school diploma. 718 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 2: Since I don't need to care about my credit score, 719 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 2: I'll die with these loans of my credit report. Oh 720 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 2: and my credit has been supposedly frozen for years in 721 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 2: order to avoid such an occurrence. That's what they always 722 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 2: tell you, freeze your credit thing if you're worried about 723 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 2: your stuff being hacked. 724 00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: But it's funny. 725 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,479 Speaker 2: We had to do this the other day for our 726 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 2: company insurance where we had to prove all kinds of 727 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 2: different things and I needed to come up with birth 728 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 2: certificates and marriage certificates and various things that I didn't 729 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 2: know where they were, but I finally laid my hands 730 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 2: on them. 731 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to find those things. 732 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 2: It's you never think about where they are until it's 733 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 2: like down to the wire. Well, some of y'all are 734 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 2: very like my mom always was super organized and no 735 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 2: always knew where everything was all the time. 736 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: But I'm not that person. That's a pain in the ass. 737 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 2: I was great talking to Tim the lawyer, always is 738 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 2: and I always like his points when he gets to 739 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 2: stuff like he did there At the end, that it 740 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 2: all comes down to, we want the government involved in 741 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:45,879 Speaker 2: our lives. As little as possible because they're so susceptible 742 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 2: to being well to being human beings, and human beings 743 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 2: can either have poor judgment, be corrupt, become corrupt, whatever 744 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 2: the situation is, be wacky ideologically in a way that 745 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 2: you don't agree. So you want and you know you 746 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 2: want them making decisions for you as little as possible. 747 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 2: And that's what it all comes down to, if you 748 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 2: lean right in my opinion, you want the least amount 749 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 2: of local, state, federal government involved in making decisions for 750 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 2: your life, other than in cases where you know it's 751 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 2: keeping you from harming someone else. But that is not 752 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 2: the direction that the country seems to be going as 753 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 2: we add more and more to our tax code and 754 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 2: more laws and federal laws and all these different sorts 755 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 2: of things. What's that There's a saying out there and there, 756 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 2: I think somebody even wrote a book how many federal 757 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 2: laws the average person violates on a daily basis, Multiple 758 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,280 Speaker 2: federal laws that you violate on a daily basis, because 759 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 2: there are so many. And then you get into the 760 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,479 Speaker 2: world of just find me the man and I'll find 761 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 2: the crime if you want to get somebody, and law 762 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 2: fare and that sort of thing. At all levels of government. 763 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 2: Just fantastic. 764 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: Anyway, We're going to. 765 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 2: Talk to Katie's dad in an hour three for the 766 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 2: oddest of reasons. It's not because he used to be 767 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 2: a judge. It's because he used to being an embalmer. 768 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 2: He used to embalm dead bodies and then dress them. 769 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 2: I just have questions about that, among other things on 770 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,760 Speaker 2: the way if he missed the second the podcast Armstrong 771 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 2: and Getty on demand Armstrong and Getty