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Speaker 1: Good evening, America, Happy Friday. Welcome to the latest edition

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Speaker 1: of justin News No Noise. I'm your host, John Solomon,

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Speaker 1: ever had. All Right, we have had a busy news

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Speaker 1: day all around the world where President Trump had a

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Speaker 1: very important crypto conference today, moving forward to an element

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Speaker 1: of our new economy.

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Speaker 2: A lot of developments and foreign policy.

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Speaker 1: The President's making clear he may put strict sanctions on

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Speaker 1: Russia to slow down their war progress against Ukraine. Also

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Speaker 1: a lot of discussions about Iran today and the possibility

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Speaker 1: of opening nuclear talks. We're going to ditch the headlines

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Speaker 1: today Grand Stinchfeld. Next hour, we'll take you through them.

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Speaker 2: We've got you covered with our new apps and the website. Today,

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Speaker 2: I want to let my inner nerd come out for

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Speaker 2: a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I want to focus on the extraordinary opportunity that nuclear

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Speaker 1: energy affords us in America. There is incredible innovation going

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Speaker 1: on in the American industry, these tiny, little nuclear reactors

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Speaker 1: that could generate lots of electricity that are.

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Speaker 2: Small to make.

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Speaker 1: There are big discussions going on in Congress to ease

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Speaker 1: the regulatory environment so that projects don't have to take

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Speaker 1: twenty years to get online. They maybe get on a

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Speaker 1: five or six years. China gets online in about three years,

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Speaker 1: even though they have a strict regulation for safety. We

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Speaker 1: got to stay up to speed with them. In addition,

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Speaker 1: there is a new sheriff in town, at the White

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Speaker 1: House and at the Energy Department, and they are big

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Speaker 1: advocates of nuclear. There is a moment ahead in the

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Speaker 1: next few months where nuclear is going to become a

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Speaker 1: major part of the conversation. We want to get you

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Speaker 1: ahead of that tonight with an all star cast of experts.

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Speaker 2: Over the next hour, I'm going to.

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Speaker 1: Show you what a nuclear modular reactor looks like today.

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Speaker 1: It is the size of my backyard. Cast girl, I'm

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Speaker 1: not lying to you can see it later in the show.

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Speaker 1: But we're going to kick off our show today with

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Speaker 1: a woman in Congress who makes extraordinary progress for the

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Speaker 1: American people. You saw her recently tackle all of that

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Speaker 1: abusive testing on animals and getting it out of the system.

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Speaker 1: She's also on the forefront of pushing the changes that

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Speaker 1: need to happen so we can have a nuclear renaissance

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Speaker 1: in America. Joining me from the great state of New York,

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Speaker 1: congress Woman Nicole Mellie attacks Congress Women.

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Speaker 2: Great to have you on, Great to be with you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, John.

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Speaker 1: I want to do a deep guy of a nuclear

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Speaker 1: but before we do, you continue to hit home runs

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Speaker 1: on the NIH and the experimentation and all of those

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Speaker 1: cool experiments that we did on animals, which by the way,

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Speaker 1: had no human benefit at all. Bring us up to

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Speaker 1: speed on your new legislation and all the developments that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, since I was last on, we've seen the

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Speaker 4: administration take significant steps to stop this cruel and inhumane

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Speaker 4: and unnecessary animal testing that's costing taxpayers billions of dollars

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Speaker 3: Announced that they put a ban on that.

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Speaker 4: But also we've been able to successfully stop cruel experiments

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Speaker 4: And so look, we want to put a complete end

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you drove this. I mean I watched this from

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Speaker 2: You drove this.

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Speaker 1: You educated people, you educated your colleagues. You got it

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Speaker 3: Seems like it was a business, right, this was a business.

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Speaker 4: They would purchase these animals that are obviously there's the

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Speaker 3: Be done in a much better human way.

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Speaker 4: And as a matter of fact, I'm also supporting legislation

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Speaker 1: Yeah, at the behest of the US government and at

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 4: I believe it in all of the above energy energy

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Speaker 4: traditional sources of energy. Nuclear is one of those energies

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Speaker 3: And so what they did was they took a clean.

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Speaker 4: And so nuclear does present an interesting opportunity. And if

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Speaker 4: nuclear makes a lot of sense because it is it

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Speaker 1: You also have spoken so eloquently about a third element

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Speaker 4: And then they went to Venezuela, a country that again

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Speaker 4: And like I said, I'm for clean energy, but it's

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Speaker 2: To do it.

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Speaker 1: We get it right when we let the free markets work,

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Speaker 1: it just it always does. And when we manipulate them,

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Speaker 1: were some interesting developments today. I remember, back in I

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Speaker 1: What do we do with nuclear energy? Where are they

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Speaker 1: Mark Nelson. Mark, Great to have you back in the show.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 5: Good to be here.

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Speaker 2: John.

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Speaker 1: All right, So I think we got a little glimpse

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Speaker 1: A lot of people say, if Congress gets going and

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Speaker 1: you have some really fascinating ideas about how quickly we

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So nuclear reactors, if you look at a map

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Speaker 6: So America's nuclear plants were mostly designed to include double

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Speaker 6: So if you planned a nuclear plant in the nineteen

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Speaker 6: In many cases quite comfortably, you could add double the

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Speaker 6: One of the great advantages that America has in large

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Speaker 6: the new technology benefits from decades of experience in making

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Speaker 6: The small reactors are an experiment and going back down

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Speaker 6: simplifying the large reactors we already have. Both of them

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Speaker 6: But I'm really excited about opportunities at both size levels.

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Speaker 1: So I think there's a little history lesson we have

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Speaker 1: So, we know New York turned away, that's been a problem.

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Speaker 6: of the population. Germans learned a powerful lesson after the

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Speaker 6: invasion of Ukraine. What that means is when the gas

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Speaker 6: pipelines that they were warned about by Americans as well

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Speaker 6: as others, they were warned that it would make them dependent.

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Speaker 6: They learned a powerful lesson when those gas poplines were

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Speaker 6: turned off and then somebody blew them up. I'm not

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Speaker 6: here to cast blame. I'm here to say that if

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Speaker 6: you can't control and defend the pipelines that bring you

451
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Speaker 6: natural gas, you don't have a secure power supply. So

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Speaker 6: turn from being somewhat anti nuclear on average to now

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Speaker 6: being somewhat pro nuclear on average. And especially with the

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Speaker 6: recent elections, it was the parties that support nuclear energy

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Speaker 6: that tended to have by far the largest vote shares.

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Speaker 6: So the parties in Germany that either quietly or loudly

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Speaker 6: support nuclear energy tended to see a surge of votes

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Speaker 6: compared to the last election.

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Speaker 1: Trend line. Maybe some politicians may want to pay attention.

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Speaker 1: That's a very important trend line.

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Speaker 2: All right, we lean backwards in history. I want to

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Speaker 2: lean forward in history.

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Speaker 1: Now, what is the opportunity We're in a race with

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Speaker 1: China to dominate the artificial intelligence world that's about to

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Speaker 1: come upon us.

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Speaker 2: It's already starting to develop upon us.

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Speaker 1: The load numbers for what AI is going to take

468
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Speaker 1: is going to put incredible pressure on a grid that

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Speaker 1: is having a hard time right now keeping up with

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Speaker 1: current demand.

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Speaker 2: What could nuclear do?

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Speaker 1: How many nuclear reactors could we bring online if we

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Speaker 1: got the regulatory system on, and what would our future

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Speaker 1: look like if we do this right?

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Speaker 6: So, in some way, I would love to give you

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Speaker 6: this big number and say we're gonna get it. In fact,

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Speaker 6: I'm working towards a goal of tripling nuclear by twenty fifty.

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Speaker 6: That doesn't necessarily mean we're gonna triple it in the USA,

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Speaker 6: but certainly in Allied countries. We have a long way

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Speaker 6: to go to helping to share and build and make

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Speaker 6: money off of nuclear technology. But if I'm looking very

482
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Speaker 6: seriously in the short run, what can be done during

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Speaker 6: this administration and the ones that follow it, we can

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Speaker 6: start down the path of catching up to China on

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Speaker 6: nuclear energy.

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Speaker 5: John.

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Speaker 6: China is building copy after copy after copy after copy

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Speaker 6: of our best reactor designs, and in fact, by building

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Speaker 6: they're gonna be able to not just catch up but

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Speaker 6: exceed both the number of reactors we have and their

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Speaker 6: ability to modify and improve on the technology if we

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Speaker 6: don't start building again. So the number one thing I'm

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Speaker 6: saying is there's an incredible role for private enterprise to

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Speaker 6: explore prototype designs and to help see if we can

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Speaker 6: execute on the smaller reactors.

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Speaker 5: I believe in that.

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Speaker 6: But the opportunity to make sure we don't miss going forward,

498
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Speaker 6: especially in this administration, is starting to get back to

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Speaker 6: executing copies of those reactors that we built in Georgia

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Speaker 6: and doing it over and over again so we can

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Speaker 6: learn the lessons. I have absolute confidence in America's working

502
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Speaker 6: men and women and in our managers if we focus,

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Speaker 6: if we start to answer your question, I think we

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Speaker 6: can get six gigawatts of nuclear reactors started under construction

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Speaker 6: in the next two or three years. But then those

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Speaker 6: six gigawatts will be the training ground and the proving

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Speaker 6: ground for the people and the suppliers that would be

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Speaker 6: needed to expand much more rapidly to match the Chinese

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Speaker 6: in the next administration. So to answer your question, maybe

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Speaker 6: six reactors of about six million people's worth of the

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Speaker 6: large reactors, I think that we can do a gigawater

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Speaker 6: or two of the smaller reactors under deployment maybe in

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Speaker 6: four or five years, if they're ordered in large quantities

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Speaker 6: by data centers or others. In the big reactor world,

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Speaker 6: where I still think we're missing. We're missing seeing the

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Speaker 6: fact that China can build anything at once. They can

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Speaker 6: build any design they wants. They have a regulator that's

518
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Speaker 6: quite strict, but they're working very hard to build quickly.

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Speaker 6: China is choosing to build these large reactors because each

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Speaker 6: time you build one, it's as much power as maybe

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Speaker 6: one hundred of the small ones. It's very hard to

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Speaker 6: catch up to that unless you're doing the big ones.

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Speaker 6: I think under this administration, we can start six to

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Speaker 6: twelve gigwats of those reactors at existing sites or brand

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Speaker 6: new sites, and then that will let us build double

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Speaker 6: in the next decade to come. That would give us

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Speaker 6: a turning point where we could expand those fleets in

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Speaker 6: those sites, or we could figure out what new technology

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Speaker 6: we're going to do need.

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Speaker 2: After that mark.

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Speaker 1: It's exciting what you layout, and you've done a lot

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Speaker 1: of thinking on this. I know you're such a very

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Speaker 1: influential voice and this great movement that is upon us.

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Speaker 2: Great to have you on the show. To have a

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Speaker 2: great week and thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me John, that was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: Good great conversation, great explanation.

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Speaker 1: All right, more on this important you compowrasy right after

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Speaker 1: especially you'reing to lead a little heavier into artificial intelligence

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Speaker 1: right after this.

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Speaker 1: All those of us who've seen nuclear power plants in

563
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Speaker 1: their life realize that they're massive right now, right the

564
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Speaker 1: ones that we built in the sixties and seventies, they

565
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Speaker 1: take up acres and acres of land. We're going to

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Speaker 1: show you something pretty amazing. Our next guest works for

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Speaker 1: a company that is building the next generation of nuclear reactors,

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Speaker 1: and by the way, they're remarkably small and just as powerful.

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Speaker 1: Joining us right now the CEO and founder of valor Atomics,

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Taylor.

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Speaker 2: Isaiah, Welcome to the.

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Speaker 5: Show, John, Thanks so much for having me on.

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Speaker 1: All Right, you're one of the youngest nuclear visionaries in America.

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Speaker 1: You've got this great company. Before we show what's behind

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Speaker 1: you a little bit more, tell us what your company

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Speaker 1: actually does.

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Speaker 8: That's right, so, valor Atomics, we make small, modular and

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Speaker 8: nuclear reactors. Our business models will a little bit unique.

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Speaker 8: We make these reactors and we make thousands of them,

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Speaker 8: and then we deploy them on what we call gigasytes.

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Speaker 8: Gigasytes are essentially a colocation of a nuclear reactor factory

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Speaker 8: and a very large scale deployment location. This allows us

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Speaker 8: to get economies of scale in building many, many nuclear reactors,

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Speaker 8: more like you build a car, and we get to

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Speaker 8: make these reactors extremely cheap. Because of that, these gigasytes

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Speaker 8: will power essentially large industrial campuses, things like metal electrolysis,

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Speaker 8: advance manufacturing, data centers, and really critical industries to power

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Speaker 8: the next generation of US industry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So a lot of people who are living there

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Speaker 2: a nuclear power part.

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Speaker 1: They're used to seeing the three giant towers with the

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Speaker 1: steam coming out and a massive plant. Tell people, what's

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Speaker 1: standing right behind you. That's not a part, that is

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Speaker 1: the reactor, right, that's right.

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Speaker 8: So what I have right behind me here is what

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Speaker 8: we call word zero. Word zero is our non nuclear prototype.

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Speaker 8: So this is essentially a one to one scale nuclear

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Speaker 8: reactor with all the critical components needed to run a

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Speaker 8: nuclear reaction. We use silicon carbide heaters inside to simulate

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Speaker 8: the nuclear reaction, and you're right, it's a lot smaller

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Speaker 8: than you think. The small modular reactor concept is instead

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Speaker 8: of building one massive plant, we want to build a

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Speaker 8: lot of smaller plants. That allows us to manufacture them

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Speaker 8: instead of using traditional construction methods, which take longer and

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Speaker 8: are a lot more expensive. I'm super proud of the team.

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Speaker 8: We just unveiled this a week ago. The team has

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Speaker 8: moved incredibly fast to build this device. I'm extremely proud

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Speaker 8: of them.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty amazing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it looks like my grail, but it's actually

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Speaker 1: a nuclear reactor. It's just amazing the size foot per difference. Hi,

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Speaker 1: people gonna ask is it safe? How do we know

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Speaker 1: what's going to work? And how do you protect something

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Speaker 1: that small from a terroristor everything you've thought through all

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Speaker 1: of these things, walk us through the security and safety

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Speaker 1: that is an endemic in this great product you built.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, you know, a smaller nuclear reactor is inherently safer.

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Speaker 8: When you have a very large nuclear reactor, if anything

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Speaker 8: goes wrong, it's more difficult to remove the heat from

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Speaker 8: the system and prevent meltdown. So smaller reactors are a

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Speaker 8: little bit less efficient, but they're a lot safer. We

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Speaker 8: also use something called trisofuel. Trisofuel was invented in the

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Speaker 8: eighties and the United States as a way to prevent

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Speaker 8: nuclear proliferation. And essentially what it is is these very

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Speaker 8: small kernels of uranium and cased in very very hard

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Speaker 8: layers of carbon and silicon carbide, and that makes the

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Speaker 8: uranium fuel essentially useless to a terrorist who might you know,

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Speaker 8: try to access in nuclear facility. So these two things

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Speaker 8: are you know, working together much smaller reactors which are

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Speaker 8: much safer, and a very very concrete type of nuclear

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Speaker 8: fuel that's very difficult to access.

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Speaker 5: So we thought through both of.

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Speaker 8: These things very closely.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 8: We also think that this gigasyte model of putting many

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Speaker 8: reactors in one site allows us to do a lot

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Speaker 8: better job of physical security around the site as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah amazing, I mean, you really have thought through.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty exciting American ingenuity in action right now. If

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Speaker 1: we didn't have the government regulatory regime which takes years

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Speaker 1: to seem to approve a power plant, how quickly could

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Speaker 1: you get one of these things from conception into operation

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Speaker 1: and how much electricity would one of these little reactors

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Speaker 1: generate for? You know, what size community could be supported

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Speaker 1: by it.

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Speaker 8: It's a really great question. I'll actually start just by

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Speaker 8: going back into the past a little bit. My great

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Speaker 8: grandfather was a nuclear physicist on the Manhattan Project WOW,

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Speaker 8: and they created the world first nuclear reactor in about

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Speaker 8: eight months. They created the world's second nuclear reactor about

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Speaker 8: four months after that, in the world's third nuclear reactor

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Speaker 8: six months after that. So if you want to know

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Speaker 8: how fast could we build nuclear you know, the first

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Speaker 8: nuclear reactors ever made were made in a period of months.

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Speaker 8: China is currently building nuclear reactors on the two to

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Speaker 8: three year timescale, and these are very very large systems.

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Speaker 8: You're right, it takes about fifteen years for us to

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Speaker 8: turn on a full scale nuclear reactor in the United States,

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Speaker 8: and that is a regulatory issue. There are a lot

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Speaker 8: of regulations that need to change, and we need to

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Speaker 8: essentially rebuild the entire regulatory environment to support this concept

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Speaker 8: of smaller reactors, which you build much faster and turn

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Speaker 8: online much faster. This is an early test model. It's

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Speaker 8: about a megawatt, so this will power about twenty to

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Speaker 8: thirty city blocks just this unit.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 8: We're going to make one that's about three times larger

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Speaker 8: than this and that'll cover a small town or a

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Speaker 8: small city. And what we'll do is we'll put several

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Speaker 8: of these reactors in a row, and we'll scale that

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Speaker 8: up very quickly over time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you got a scale of efficiency and rolling that

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Speaker 1: out that the big power plant doesn't ever really have

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Speaker 1: the opportunity to achieve. All Right, we have a lot

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Speaker 1: of influential people that watch these show, Members of Congress,

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Speaker 1: we've got a new set of Sheriffsontown, and all of

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Speaker 1: Republican Congress, Donald Trump White House. For those listening who

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Speaker 1: might be in those positions, what does the Washington need

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Speaker 1: to do to unleash what you and your extraordinary colleagues

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Speaker 1: have built.

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Speaker 8: That's a really great question. And you know, I was

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Speaker 8: very fortunate to be invited out to mar A Lago

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Speaker 8: to speak on this topic a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 8: and I was really price to find extremely extremely receptive ears.

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Speaker 8: You know, I think that this administration really wants to

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Speaker 8: hear from entrepreneurs, wants to hear from builders and technologists

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Speaker 8: about what we need to do to the regulatory environment

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Speaker 8: to allow us to build again. You know, a couple

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Speaker 8: of things have already happened, setting NIPA back to where

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Speaker 8: Congress originally intended it, you know, without this massive CEQ

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Speaker 8: that was built up with all of these regulations that

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Speaker 8: made it impossible to build everything. That was a day

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Speaker 8: one action of the Trump administration to close the CEQ

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Speaker 8: and to rescind all the CFRs. You know, that's going

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Speaker 8: to accelerate us the ton. The other thing I think

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Speaker 8: that we should focus on now is creating a test

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Speaker 8: framework that allows nuclear entrepreneurs like myself to rapidly test

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Speaker 8: nuclear reactors you know that are small, that are very

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Speaker 8: safe out in the desert. You should be able to

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Speaker 8: have a test reactor like this and get a permit

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Speaker 8: to test it within ninety days. There's no reason that

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Speaker 8: we need to wait four or five years for review

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Speaker 8: for a very very small, very safe reactor. The fact is,

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Speaker 8: advanced technologies only developed through iteration. They only develop through

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Speaker 8: building things, testing them out, seeing if your design's worked,

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Speaker 8: and then iterating again. That's how SpaceX has gone from

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Speaker 8: you know, a very small team of engineers to launching

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Speaker 8: hundreds of Falcon nines every year is through this rapid

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Speaker 8: iterative development program. That's where nuclear started, and it's where

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Speaker 8: we need to get back to and I think that's

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Speaker 8: what Congress needs to make happen.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's an opportunity. We're at the doorstep of that history.

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Speaker 1: I hope the focussing. I appreciate what you're doing, as

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Speaker 1: I mean, you gave us a glimpse of what the

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Speaker 1: future looks like. Along with this, just real quickly micro

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Speaker 1: grids along with a these mini module modular nuclear we

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Speaker 1: could really deploy of a lot of electricity load quickly

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Speaker 1: and that would help us in the AI rice.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: It's critical for the AI race.

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Speaker 8: I would say it's actually the most important part of

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Speaker 8: the AI race with China is that we need to

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Speaker 8: add tons of power not just to the grid, but

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Speaker 8: in these microgrids. We need to be able to power

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Speaker 8: many many data centers that get built out very quickly

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Speaker 8: with a lot of power. It's also going to be

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Speaker 8: critical for other things as well. You know, we're trying

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Speaker 8: to have a chips industry in the United States and

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Speaker 8: bring chips back to the US. But one of the

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Speaker 8: most critical elements to that is gallium and germanium, and

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Speaker 8: these things come from electoralizing metals. This is where off

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Speaker 8: feeds from the aluminum industry that's something that we can

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Speaker 8: unlock with nuclear as well. We used to do it

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Speaker 8: with coal, and we could do it again with nuclear.

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Speaker 8: And advanced manufacturing as well, is another one of these

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Speaker 8: areas that really needs a lot of energy. So almost

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Speaker 8: all of the critical races that we're in with China

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Speaker 8: really just need energy for us to unlock them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing how close we are too a true

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Speaker 1: energy revolution, Isaiah. Thank you for giving us a glimpse

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Speaker 1: of the not so distant future. It's going to be

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Speaker 1: pretty amazing to watch what you and your company and

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Speaker 1: your engineers are doing. Great conversation today, Thanks for doing it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks much, John, Yeah, congratulations.

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Speaker 1: All right, folks, how about that you just got to

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Speaker 1: see a nuclear reactor. It looks like the size of

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Speaker 1: Mike Grill in my backyard.

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Speaker 2: Is just crazy. All right.

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Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick commercial bank when we

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Speaker 1: come back. We're going to finish things up with the

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Speaker 1: president of the American Conservation Coalition, somebody who has been

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Speaker 1: doing the big thinking about how we can get through

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Speaker 1: that era that Isaiah has showed you. Well, have that

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Speaker 1: right after these messages, and I want to keep on

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Speaker 1: this incredible discussion about what nuclear offers this country, and

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Speaker 1: we're going to join right now by one of our

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Speaker 1: partners for tonight show. He's the president of an American

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Speaker 1: conservation coalition, My good friend, Chris partner, Chris.

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Speaker 2: Good to have you on.

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Speaker 5: So it's great to be with you, John.

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Speaker 2: All right, So, I think there's an interesting evolution been

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Speaker 2: going on.

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Speaker 1: I think maybe if you go back to Fukushima and

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Speaker 1: the accident in Japan a decade and a half ago,

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Speaker 1: people were a little bit reserved about maybe outright against

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Speaker 1: nuclear energy. But there has been a very fast warming

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Speaker 1: over the last three to five years. Walk us through

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Speaker 1: how public sentiment and political sentiment's been changing and what

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Speaker 1: the opera ortunity is because of that change.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Look, there was a poll from Gallop in late twenty

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Speaker 9: twenty three that showed that for the first time in

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Speaker 9: a very long time time in American political history, you

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Speaker 9: actually had a majority of Americans saying that they were

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Speaker 9: in favor of more nuclear energy. So it was nearly

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Speaker 9: sixty percent. And you mentioned Fukushima Chernobyl. For a long

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Speaker 9: time people were afraid of nuclear they thought it was

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Speaker 9: going to cause nuclear meltdowns that you'd have kind of

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Speaker 9: like in the Simpsons, those fish with three eyes and

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Speaker 9: green water and all those things.

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Speaker 5: But the reality is that actually people are understanding that

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Speaker 5: nuclear is clean and.

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Speaker 9: It's actually the safest source of energy that we have,

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Speaker 9: and if we want to have more affordable and reliable

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Speaker 9: and clean energy, nuclear is the best way to do that.

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Speaker 9: And so especially a lot of young people are realizing

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Speaker 9: that this is the way to go. And we're pushing

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Speaker 9: back against the environmentalists that for the last decade I've

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Speaker 9: been shutting down nuclear plants and trying to get more

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Speaker 9: ones built.

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Speaker 5: That's what we need to be doing right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, at the top of the show, we got to

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Speaker 1: talk to Congress from Nicole Elliotts in New York is

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Speaker 1: like ground zero for what happens if you pull these

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Speaker 1: nuclear reactors offline all of a sudden, the load can't

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Speaker 1: be replaced quick enough, certainly not by the renewables of

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Speaker 1: solar and wind, and then electricity prices going up. If

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Speaker 1: nuclear gets inserted into a place like California or New York,

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Speaker 1: what does it do to change the minds in those

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Speaker 1: states when they realize what happens.

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Speaker 9: Well, look, you mentioned New York and what they did there,

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Speaker 9: and the big irony, which just really annoys me so

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Speaker 9: much about a lot of the environmental movement is it

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Speaker 9: was environmentalists who shut down Indian Point nuclear plant that

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Speaker 9: provided twenty five percent of New York City's clean electricity.

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Speaker 9: When they got rid of the plant, it was replaced

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Speaker 9: with natural gas. In places like California, where they've also

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Speaker 9: shut down nuclear plants over the years, they're getting their

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Speaker 9: backup power from coal from Utah, And so none of

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Speaker 9: this makes any sense. Environmentalists are shooting themselves in the foot.

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Speaker 9: And actually the places that have the highest penetration of

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Speaker 9: nuclear power in their grip show that they have a

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Speaker 9: very reliable, affordable grid, no blackouts, no brownouts, and actually

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Speaker 9: also some of the cleanest grids in the country and

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Speaker 9: in the world. You look at a country like France

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Speaker 9: that has a ninety one percent decarbonized grid because they've

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Speaker 9: invested in nuclear and it's not about just making it

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Speaker 9: more expensive or making it less reliable.

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Speaker 5: You can have cleanliness at the same time as.

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Speaker 9: Having reliable and affordable power, and environmentalists that tell you

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Speaker 9: that you can't do that are lying to you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that has been the big battle of

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Speaker 1: the last decade. People have been sold on. You have

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Speaker 1: to give up your costs, you got to pay more

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Speaker 1: for it's the only way to do this, And the

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Speaker 1: answer is it's actually really not. Now there is the

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Speaker 1: momentum is moving in America towards nuclear energy. There are

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Speaker 1: some pretty significant roadblocks because the regulatory process, things like NEPAP,

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Speaker 1: the National Environmental Policy Act that goes back to the

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Speaker 1: Nixon years, and other regulatory regimes slow down. I mean,

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Speaker 1: a nuclear power plant often takes twenty years to go

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Speaker 1: from co option to operation. Can that window be compressed

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Speaker 1: and can we fix it?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely?

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Speaker 9: We've only built two nuclear plants in America in the

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Speaker 9: last thirty years. But if you look at countries like

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Speaker 9: the United Arab Emirates and elsewhere in the world, they're

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Speaker 9: able to build these reactors in less than a decade,

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Speaker 9: sometimes even as little as six or seven years. The

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Speaker 9: realities that we've overregulated the industry. We have a nuclear

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Speaker 9: Regulatory Commission that doesn't even have in its mandate the

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Speaker 9: desire to build more nuclear plants. They just want to

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Speaker 9: prevent anything bad from happening. But in doing so, they

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Speaker 9: make it impossible to build these things. And the reality

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Speaker 9: is that we need to get back to a simpler,

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Speaker 9: more streamlined approach to this issue. We need to get

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Speaker 9: rid of the fear mongering, and we need to make

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Speaker 9: it easier for entrepreneurs to build and to do what

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Speaker 9: they do best, which is innovative. Right now, our regulatory

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Speaker 9: regime in this country is the opposite of allowing entrepreneurs

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Speaker 9: to do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the who are going to be the forces?

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Speaker 1: Who are the players that are going to get that

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Speaker 1: regulatory thicket thinned out so that a nuclear power plant

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Speaker 1: can maybe go from conception to operation in six or

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Speaker 1: seven years as opposed to ten to twenty years. Do

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Speaker 1: you see someone in Congress? Do you see someone in

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Speaker 1: the White House or the Energy Department that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: that bull in the China closet because this resistance we've

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Speaker 1: talked about regulatory firm I think for all the entire

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Speaker 1: time I've been in Washington, DC, we did thirty five years,

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Speaker 1: it hasn't really happened related to energy and specifically nuclear.

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Speaker 1: Who are the bulls in the China closet going to

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Speaker 1: make it happen?

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Speaker 9: Well, Look, there's two dimensions of this, right there's the

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Speaker 9: administration and this Congress. You do need Congress to do

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Speaker 9: as much as they can to legislate, to get the

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Speaker 9: NRC to get their act together. Get Congresswoman Nicole Maley

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Speaker 9: takasan earlier she is a great champion for these issues.

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Speaker 9: You have members of Congress like Chuck Fleischmann and den

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Speaker 9: Crenshaw Byron Donald who's running for governor of Florida, who

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Speaker 9: are just huge champions for this, have really strong bills

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Speaker 9: to make sure that we can actually build a nuclear

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Speaker 9: in this country. And that's great, But I'm also really

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Speaker 9: hoping that the administration can make a big push here.

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Speaker 9: Secretary Chris Wright has in its Secretarial Order said that

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Speaker 9: he wants to unleash America's nuclear era and nuclear dominance opportunities.

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Speaker 9: That's one of the most important things we can do

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Speaker 9: if we want to have energy security, if we want

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Speaker 9: to beat.

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Speaker 5: China in the AI race.

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Speaker 9: And so I really hope that the administration can put

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Speaker 9: a lot of pressure on Congress and on the NRC

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Speaker 9: to actually get this done, because at the end of

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Speaker 9: the day, China's building nuclear plants pretty much every single

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Speaker 9: day at this point, and we can do only two

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Speaker 9: in the last thirty years.

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Speaker 5: It's just not good enough.

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Speaker 9: We need the administration, and we need Congress to get

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Speaker 9: their act together immediately on this.

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Speaker 1: Rans in China are pudding us the same. Last quick

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Speaker 1: question for you got about a minute left. The access

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Speaker 1: to uranium. We have plenty underneath our fee, but we

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Speaker 1: basically we shut down our entire industry over the last decade.

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Speaker 1: A good percentage of our nuclear materials that go to

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Speaker 1: our reactors come from Russia. Right now, is there a

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Speaker 1: fast enough movement to start get uranium production in America

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Speaker 1: going to really feed these new cool reactors that we have.

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Speaker 5: The short answer is no.

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Speaker 9: And I feel like every time I come on your

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Speaker 9: show job we're talking about all the silly things that

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Speaker 9: environmentalists are doing, and this is just another one of

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Speaker 9: those examples. We have so much uranium in this country

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Speaker 9: that we can mine and then we can use to

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Speaker 9: build these nuclear reactors, both the traditional reactors and the

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Speaker 9: next generation that require this advanced fuel, but we won't

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Speaker 9: let ourselves use it. On average, it takes twenty nine

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Speaker 9: years to open a new mind in America. It's the regulation,

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Speaker 9: it's the litigation, it's the environmental groups that are stopping

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Speaker 9: us from doing this, and so we end up being

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Speaker 9: reliant on countries like Russia and other countries that probably

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Speaker 9: aren't our best allies when it comes to this. And

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Speaker 9: so if we really want a nuclear future, we need

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Speaker 9: to allow ourselves to mine it right here in America

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Speaker 9: where we do it better and safer and cleaner than

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Speaker 9: anywhere else, and truly unleash America's nuclear revolution.

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Speaker 1: President Trump made a big hint in the State of

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Speaker 1: the Union that he's going to unleash mining rar earths.

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Speaker 1: Uranium will come under that order. Chris, this has been

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Speaker 1: a great conversation today. A lot of people I don't

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Speaker 1: think we're up to speed on it. We got them

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Speaker 1: up to speedy. There's an incredible opportunity. Natural gas nuclear

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Speaker 1: could be an extraordinary combo for America going forward. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for your support and for all the great conversation we

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Speaker 1: get with American Conservation Coalition. Paul, what a great conversation.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to forget the image of that nuclear reactor.

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Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick commercial break when we

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Speaker 1: come back. We skip headlines at the top of the show.

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Speaker 1: But don't despair. We get you caught up quickly. Our

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Speaker 1: Great White House corresponded. Ben will be here just a

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Speaker 1: few seconds. But first, a quick commercial break, Welcome back everybody,

933
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Speaker 1: a few more minutes before we head into the weekend

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Speaker 1: and hand things off to Grin Stinchfeld. At the top

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Speaker 1: of the show, we kind of skipped the news headlines

936
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Speaker 1: because a man is out on assignment today, but I

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Speaker 1: want to wrap up with some fascinating stuff going out

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Speaker 1: at the Trump White House. It's been another busy week

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Speaker 1: in Washington, particularly at the White House. Lots of things happening,

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Speaker 1: not just the speech, but executive actions, foreign policy developments,

941
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Speaker 1: a lot of things happening. Next week We're going to

942
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Speaker 1: have a close eye on I thought. It turned to

943
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Speaker 1: our amazing reporter Ben Weedon for an update. Ben, good

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Speaker 1: to have you here.

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Speaker 7: Well, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: All right, this was a big foreign policy week for

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Speaker 1: the president. Pressure on Ukraine at the end of the week,

948
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Speaker 1: pressure on Russia at the end of the week, morning

949
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Speaker 1: of sanctions. What's going on in the war there? Where

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Speaker 1: are we standing?

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Speaker 2: What's Trump trying to accomplish?

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Speaker 10: Well, so right now, Trump's trying to get it ceasefire

953
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Speaker 10: as quickly as possible. He's going to face some difficulties

954
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Speaker 10: because there's movement on the battlefield right now, especially in

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Speaker 10: the Kursk area where the Ukrainians invaded. The Russians posted

956
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Speaker 10: a breakthrough last night that questions whether or not they're

957
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Speaker 10: going to be able to encircle that position. So that's

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Speaker 10: going to be a huge point of leverage for the

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Speaker 10: Russians if they capture a fairly large portion of Ukraine's

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Speaker 10: army in that.

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Speaker 7: We're waiting to see how it plays out.

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Speaker 10: But what Trump's trying to do right now, He's yanked

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Speaker 10: both the intelligence sharing and the actual military aid, which

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Speaker 10: is putting a lot of pressure on Zelensky in terms

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Speaker 10: of their ability to respond to air threats because a

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Speaker 10: lot of the missiles that Ukraine uses have been reliant

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Speaker 10: on American source and targeting. And so what's happening now

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Speaker 10: on the Russian side is Trump has said, all right,

969
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Speaker 10: we're going to slap a bunch more sanctions on the Russians.

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Speaker 10: And at this point that may just be messaging, in

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Speaker 10: part because he says he's considering it, but also because well,

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Speaker 10: the Russians are about as sanctions of a country as

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Speaker 10: they can be at this point, so you know, he's

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Speaker 10: at least trying to put something out there because he

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Speaker 10: has faced criticism of only pressuring Zelenski.

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Speaker 7: The question is one of leverage.

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Speaker 10: What's he got in both directions, So he just needs

978
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Speaker 10: to use that as much to say I am putting

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Speaker 10: pressure on the Russians if they come to negotiate. We've

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Speaker 10: already seen Putin's willing to talk at the very least

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Speaker 10: he can claim that the sanctions threat worked or you know,

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Speaker 10: he's got this other focus on pressuring the Ukrainians. It's

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Speaker 10: all about getting them to the table one way or

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Speaker 10: the other.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say that's see the endgame, just getting those conversations.

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Speaker 1: Reports from a confirmation from Steve Whitcoff that there will

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Speaker 1: be some discussions next week in Saudi rab but what

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Speaker 1: do we know about those?

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Speaker 10: So they've already had the talks in Riod with the

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Speaker 10: Russian diplomats, but now we know that we're going to

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Speaker 10: have Witcough, Rubio and Mike Waltz in Riad to talk

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Speaker 10: to some of the Ukrainian delegates, and supposedly andre Yermak

993
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Speaker 10: is going to be one of those Ukrainian officials, and

994
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Speaker 10: that's one of Zelenski's main aids and closest advisors. So

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Speaker 10: that's the nearest indication we have that they're talking about

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Speaker 10: something tangible. But the biggest issue now is Trump seems

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Speaker 10: to be holding out for a better deal than what

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Speaker 10: Zelenski could have signed if he had done so at

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Speaker 10: the White House last week, and that means a commitment

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Speaker 10: to a tangible ceasefires. Lenski has said several times that

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Speaker 10: he'd signed this deal and then backed off. Witkoff went

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Speaker 10: off a couple of days ago saying, you know, that

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Speaker 10: was the third time he'd said he'd sign it and

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Speaker 10: then never did so. The perception of Zelenski as a

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Speaker 10: reliable actor is certainly fading in the administration. This is

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Speaker 10: kind of his chance to say, all right, you can

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Speaker 10: lock me in and we'll work going forward.

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Speaker 1: Stnet table. I'm writting it down. I got about forty

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Speaker 1: seconds left. A big surprise today, President or reports coming

1010
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Speaker 1: out the President is going to engage in some conversations

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Speaker 1: with Iran about slowing its nuclear program down. In the past,

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Speaker 1: he hasn't been interested in that. Is this a flip

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Speaker 1: flop or an opportunity.

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Speaker 7: I think it's potentially an opportunity.

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Speaker 10: He certainly doesn't want the situation in the Middle East

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Speaker 10: to escalate any further, and you know, he's inherited a

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Speaker 10: geopolitical situation that would not have been of his making

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Speaker 10: by any means. So there is a measure of practicality

1019
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Speaker 10: here where he's got to clean up a mess. That

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Speaker 10: might mean taking a different approach than how he would

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Speaker 10: have done the first time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: Surprise a lot of people, But some of the Trump

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Speaker 1: point outs every day there seems to be a surpriser too.

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Speaker 2: We don't know where they're.

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Speaker 1: Going, folks, if you don't follow Ben every day on

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Speaker 1: social media or on just the news, he's one of

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Speaker 1: our very best reporters. He keeps us on top of everything.

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Speaker 1: He's fast, he's quick, he's smart. He write some of

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Speaker 1: the biggest picture of enterprise. Go check him out, bookmark him.

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Speaker 1: He's one of our very best. All right, we're going

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Speaker 1: to head into the weekend now. I hope you get

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Speaker 1: a little spring weather. I think we're all tired of winter.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back Monday with regular programming, good news and man,

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Speaker 1: they'll be back in the studio on Monday as well.

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Speaker 1: Until then, we're gonna head off to our good friend

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Speaker 1: Gran Stinchfeld. You have a great blast weekend, and we'll

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Speaker 1: be back and talk to him Thanks

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Speaker 7: You