WEBVTT - Jeffrey Alan Manchester: The Roofman Cometh…AGAIN

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Dunton. I got a question for you, sir. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you know what's ridiculous? What I do?

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<v Speaker 3>Beyonce? No, they're all going to come and get me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm coming out to get.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me finish my thought. So Beyonce, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>if you heard. She had an album called Renaissance that

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<v Speaker 3>came out of this, and then she had another album

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<v Speaker 3>called Cowboy Carter and on both of them, apparently the

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<v Speaker 3>cover has the picture of a horse. Yeah, and so

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<v Speaker 3>do you know, Oh my god, anyway, do you know

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<v Speaker 3>the name of the horse on the Renaissance album? Steve Well,

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<v Speaker 3>the fans the high they were calling it rene Renaissance

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<v Speaker 3>and then ny I g h okay. Well, so anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>Justina Omakua, who is the senior vice president at Parkwood Entertainment,

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<v Speaker 3>Beyonce's production and management company, clarified, No, no, no, no, the

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<v Speaker 3>horse is named shardonay with any like at the end. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's a it's a tragedy. So Shardona is the

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<v Speaker 3>name of the buttery shard And that's ridiculous. But wait

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<v Speaker 3>there's more. Oh no, yeah, so people hear about this, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>that's cute. Like no, but I do have to tell you,

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<v Speaker 3>Bold refined Horsey. Now you can blame. You can blame

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<v Speaker 3>Michelle Zibadiba on Instagram and k Law on Instagram. They're

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<v Speaker 3>the ones, the first two through the gate who told

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<v Speaker 3>us about this. All right, Bold refined Horsey. What am

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<v Speaker 3>I talking about? Yes, I am talking about the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that Arby's released uh Horsey sauce, which apparently that's their life.

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<v Speaker 2>I heard people reference these people. They're going on my list.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, put them on there with like Cheetos and all them.

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<v Speaker 3>They have released a Horsey sauce that's infused with Shardonnay

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<v Speaker 3>wine and it's called Chardonnaise with the any Igh Horsey Sauce.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's in this like frosted glass wine bottle, sixteen

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<v Speaker 3>dollars a bottle. It has. The package has a silhouette

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<v Speaker 3>of quote, a majestic horse in mid.

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<v Speaker 2>Gallop for a mayonnaise sauce.

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<v Speaker 3>I suppose, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Its right. I'm assuming that's.

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<v Speaker 3>A no because they got the idea from.

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<v Speaker 2>From the I know, but I'm assuming it's a mayonnaise

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<v Speaker 2>space sauce.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never had Horsey sauce. What is it? Is it

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<v Speaker 3>like donkey sauce? Whatever? I've never been to an Arby

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<v Speaker 3>can I can? I admit that.

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<v Speaker 2>Which could beat each other in a fight. Horsey sauce

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<v Speaker 2>or donkey sauce. Donkey I'm saying donkey sauce.

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<v Speaker 3>Every time, especially if Guy Fieri did a mashup between

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<v Speaker 3>donkey sauce and he brought in Sammy Hagar's Cabo Wabbo tequila.

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<v Speaker 3>Like anyway, So if you want some chardonnayse Arby's horse

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<v Speaker 3>Horsey sauce, which, oh, there's just a lot for me

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<v Speaker 3>to talk about, you have to go to the Arby's

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<v Speaker 3>website and sign up for their Arby's Club. I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to sign you up for Club Arby's,

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<v Speaker 3>but I didn't know. I didn't do it. I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>do it. It's oh, it's a signature horse Radish sauce with a.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a roast beef place, the.

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<v Speaker 3>Beef people, of course. Okay, anyway, so this has gone

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<v Speaker 3>on way too long.

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<v Speaker 2>You know about them, right? They have the meats.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what they tell me. If I were to

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<v Speaker 3>watch TV and.

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<v Speaker 2>I assume they also have the meat sweats.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course they do. Of course they.

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<v Speaker 2>That's daring, ridiculous. I know you know else is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me how about a guy who makes corporate practices

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<v Speaker 2>the basis for his outlandish crimes. Yeah, Elizabeth, this cat

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<v Speaker 2>he's a break in artist with a McDonald's problem.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh mashup.

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<v Speaker 2>No, this is ridiculous crime. A podcast about absurd and

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<v Speaker 2>outrageous capers, ice and cons. It's always ninety nine percent

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<v Speaker 2>murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous. Cheers, Elizabeth Jarh

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<v Speaker 2>November nineteen ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember it.

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<v Speaker 2>You do? You remember en times we had in November

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety eight. It's so good.

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<v Speaker 3>Keep going.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me take you back the song do Wop That Thing?

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<v Speaker 2>By Lauren Hill? Yeah, number one on the Billboard charts. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you loved that song, sure, Aaron, Lauren Hill. Sure you

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<v Speaker 2>even wore your hair like hers and sister Act too Appropriation, which,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, came out in nineteen ninety three, which

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<v Speaker 2>is just two years after your new favorite bank ribery film,

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<v Speaker 2>Point Break. Yes, did you know Point Break came out

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety one?

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<v Speaker 3>You're kidding me, sort of? I had no idea, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and I've never heard that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you'll remember it later anyway. Also on the radio,

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<v Speaker 2>back in nineteen ninety eight, your man was holding it

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<v Speaker 2>down in the number forty spot on the Billboard chart. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>he's new to the charts. It's his first time in

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<v Speaker 2>such rarefied air. This was his first hit off of

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<v Speaker 2>his third album, but it won't be his last. In

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<v Speaker 2>ninety eight, it's his first big hit song. It's called

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<v Speaker 2>hard knock life ghetto anthem. That's right at your man.

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<v Speaker 3>Jay Z horse face as you call it.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got a long nogging. What was going on at

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<v Speaker 2>the Cineplex Elizabeth in November of nineteen ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 3>November ninety eight, Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, if jay Z has horse face,

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<v Speaker 2>and so does Troy Aikman, So really I'm shooting a

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<v Speaker 2>lot over here. I'm wide shots anyway, November ninety eight

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<v Speaker 2>at the Cineplex. You remember movies, right, That's where the

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<v Speaker 2>group it was a group activity, was it.

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<v Speaker 3>People?

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<v Speaker 2>They would go and they would sit in a darkened

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<v Speaker 2>room and they would stare at a blank screen. In

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<v Speaker 2>every twenty fourth of a second, a new image would

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<v Speaker 2>be projected onto the screen. Right, It was amazing. It's

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<v Speaker 2>this steady stream of images would be creating the simulation

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<v Speaker 2>of movement paired with sound. It was a very evocative

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<v Speaker 2>art form. Sadly it's been forgotten to history. Kids today

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<v Speaker 2>they see pictures of movie theaters from the nineties and

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<v Speaker 2>they will often mistake them for some sort of like

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<v Speaker 2>an ancient ritual space, like it was a cult. Perhaps, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>a church dedicated to snacks and cold drinks. Anyway, back

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<v Speaker 2>in November of nineteen ninety eight at the box office,

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<v Speaker 2>can you guess what the number one movie was?

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 2>The water Boy?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh goodness, it was such a bleak time nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>Harder question. What was the third highest grossing film of

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<v Speaker 2>November nineteen ninety eight?

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<v Speaker 3>Was it another Adam sit where They're too?

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<v Speaker 2>No, but it was a movie that was part of

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<v Speaker 2>what you Love, which is two movies that come out

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time and people can't decide.

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<v Speaker 3>Which one is an asteroid movie.

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<v Speaker 2>No, good guess though it was? It was an insect movie.

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<v Speaker 3>That's my Oh, bugs and ants?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, which one a bugs? Life did better?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay. Last question of our cinema ninety eight pop quiz,

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<v Speaker 2>Keep going Elizabeth for the Grand Prize. I love pennies.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you correctly name the number four highest grossing film

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<v Speaker 2>of November nineteen ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so we've got water Boy and Bugs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'll throw in here just to help you.

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<v Speaker 3>Oscar Bait.

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<v Speaker 2>Number two was the Rugrats movie. Just, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>throw that rounded?

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<v Speaker 3>Was it a film for grown up?

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<v Speaker 2>This was the first film for grown ups on our list.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, tell me who was in it? Tell me one

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<v Speaker 3>person who is oh man?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, one person. I'm going to start from the bottom

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<v Speaker 2>of the list. This film had an amazing cast, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm just gonna listen to some people I liked

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<v Speaker 2>at the bottom of the Lisa Bonnet, Regina King, Jack Black,

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Lee, the pro skater thing, Yes, skater, Jake Busey,

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<v Speaker 2>son of the Busy, Scott Cohn, son of the con

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<v Speaker 2>So we got two sons of it's so rich with

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<v Speaker 2>nineties goodness. Do you want the top guys? You'll immediately

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<v Speaker 2>know the film if I say tell you the top

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<v Speaker 2>guys Will Smith and Gene Hackman.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh what's it called?

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<v Speaker 2>I love this film. I'll give you a hint.

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<v Speaker 3>So's it's on the tip of my tongue.

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<v Speaker 2>Will Smith. At one point in the trailer he asked

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<v Speaker 2>Gene Hackman, what the hell is happening, and then Gene

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<v Speaker 2>Hackman says, I blow up the building, and Will Smith

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<v Speaker 2>is like why, and then Gene Hackman shouts back, because

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<v Speaker 2>you made a phone call. I jumped out of my seat. Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>give me the name Enemy of the State.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, Lisa bonet me.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the college girlfriend for Will Smith. Gena King

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<v Speaker 2>was the White anyway, Elizabeth and a movie that launched

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<v Speaker 2>later a blank one eighty two album with a similar name.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's Right of the State.

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<v Speaker 3>Boom, Yeah, there it is. Wow, it's all coming together,

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<v Speaker 3>you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Nineties action films they hold so much. If Jerry Bruckheimer

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<v Speaker 2>produced it, I'm gonna watch it, right, I mean, come on, Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>Amy the State, right, I mean Enemy? This date is

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<v Speaker 2>great because it's this paranoid action thriller about how the

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<v Speaker 2>NSA is watching everything. It's like this post Watergate paranoid

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<v Speaker 2>thrillers of the seventies, but now it's like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Parallax few with the Warren Baby, right but now,

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<v Speaker 2>which I also love that movie. But anyway, I love

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<v Speaker 2>paranoid thrillers. I think the point is that they're like

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<v Speaker 2>key holes in for like the moment in that time. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, if Tony Scott made it, I'm gonna watch

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<v Speaker 2>that one. Took True Romance, not a paranoid thriller. But

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<v Speaker 2>I love that Tony Scott film. Interesting anyway, it's another movie.

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<v Speaker 2>I love them, just laying out movies I love.

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<v Speaker 3>But besides, that's what today's show is about. Movies we love.

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<v Speaker 2>November of nineteen ninety eight, jay Zy Hard Knock Life

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<v Speaker 2>Gene Hackman, An Enemy of the State. That was November ninetea, Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>you remember it well, right, anyway, that's same November. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the time when today's perp first started getting busy. I

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<v Speaker 2>want you to be able to know the context in

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<v Speaker 2>which he was.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's actually very important.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it helps sometimes in this case it does matter.

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<v Speaker 2>So today, Elizabeth, I want to tell you the story

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<v Speaker 2>of the Roofman, Jeffrey Manchester.

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<v Speaker 3>The Roofman. What were we talking about yesterday? Oh, rack Man.

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<v Speaker 3>There was like some business where they sell racks. It

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<v Speaker 3>looks like, yeah, saying it sounds like it sounds like

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<v Speaker 3>something that in like a hip hop song would be

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<v Speaker 3>the name of like a like a guy who sells

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<v Speaker 3>drugs on the corner to see the rack man, Like

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<v Speaker 3>I'm too old to know that. Yeah, and so Roofman

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<v Speaker 3>also sounds like that, like there's gonna be a whole

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<v Speaker 3>thing like forty talking about Roofman. I'm like, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, You're like I thought I brought my jeep there

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<v Speaker 2>and got a new roof rat.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I'm like trying to act cool, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I got this from the roofman.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, lady, lady, it's not a local advertising thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Like but jay Z told me say it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we were recommended this story by a few rude dudes.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh really Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Most recently Brandy This, a comic from Minneapolis, Minnesota. She

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<v Speaker 2>suggested we do this one, and I just happened to

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<v Speaker 2>be reading up on him when she tweeted me about

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<v Speaker 2>this synchronous So I bump the Roofman right to the

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<v Speaker 2>top of the big board. Is I mean you said synchronicity,

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<v Speaker 2>I think of serendipity. It's happening. It's an idiot.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all connected.

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<v Speaker 2>Government named for this cat. Jeffrey Allen, Manchester, Jeffrey, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which makes him my second favorite. Jeffrey Allen. I've covered

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<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey Allen. Yes, Jeffrey Allen. Lash look him up anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy norcow guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Elizabeth's jamming the Bay jam. So.

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<v Speaker 2>He was born in Sacramento in seventy one.

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<v Speaker 3>Good for him.

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<v Speaker 2>You went to Rancho Cordova.

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<v Speaker 3>High, Okay, second a kid, yeah right, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Your man Hurtcane. He graduated, went on to enlist in

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<v Speaker 2>the army. He joins the eighty second Airborne. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the eighty second Airborne.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for your service.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know about the airborne. That's the paratroope.

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<v Speaker 3>You're in the sky.

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<v Speaker 2>They jump out of the planeanes thick, easy company and

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<v Speaker 2>band of brothers. Right. They parachute behind enemy lines with

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<v Speaker 2>a rifle and that's about it. Okay, right, there's they

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<v Speaker 2>can do on their own.

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<v Speaker 3>They just parachute and then they don't do anything. That's

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<v Speaker 3>about it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it. The scarecrow. Now stand there. So paratrooper eighty

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<v Speaker 2>second Airborne jeff Manchester. He is trained in the military

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<v Speaker 2>arts of his particular task. And his task. He gets

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<v Speaker 2>really good at a repelling, so he's good with ropes,

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<v Speaker 2>climbing gear. He was also skilled at dropping to the

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<v Speaker 2>grounds from a great height.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I say I could do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you can do that. But he gave it

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<v Speaker 2>from way higher than you and land it stick the

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<v Speaker 2>landing the hospital. Yeah, there's no hospital trips for him.

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<v Speaker 2>No bruises like livers, none of that. No skilled camouflage

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<v Speaker 2>and evasion as well. Yeah really yeah, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's like the back of a g I Joe totally.

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<v Speaker 3>So tell you more about this cat so code name so.

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<v Speaker 2>Like many who listen in the military, Jeff man Manchester,

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<v Speaker 2>he got married young, right he was twenty?

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<v Speaker 3>Did he have a dodge charger dodge magnet so.

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<v Speaker 2>By nineteen ninety nine, though, Jeff Manchester and his young family,

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<v Speaker 2>they were living in Conquered, California, Conquered just over the

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<v Speaker 2>hill from here. He was stationed at the Naval Weapons

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<v Speaker 2>station there at Conquered And in November nineteen ninety nine,

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Manchester's wife said, Hey, I want a divorce. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>I'm out deuces.

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<v Speaker 3>That's sad.

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<v Speaker 2>Not really, it was good for her because the couple,

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<v Speaker 2>the couple had a fight. I don't know exactly what happened,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, perhaps she discovered her husband's big secret

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<v Speaker 2>that he was an accomplished break in artist to spend

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<v Speaker 2>his nights burgling local businesses as the roofman. Or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>she's just like, I'm tired of your snoring. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what happened when something happened.

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<v Speaker 3>So either way, she signed on for life.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, got I feel you on that. But when

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<v Speaker 2>you're married to Rufman, that's a different question. So, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, when you have the name Rufman, as you

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<v Speaker 2>can no doubt guess there's a story behind you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh really, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth, I'm gonna tell you that story. So Jeff Manchester

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<v Speaker 2>he earned his norm du crime for his work as

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<v Speaker 2>a regional tile distributor like a roofing tile. No, he

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<v Speaker 2>did not do that. It was his habit of breaking

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<v Speaker 2>into businesses through the roof and then stealing whatever cash

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<v Speaker 2>he could find. Yes, the Roofman was particularly fond of McDonald's.

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<v Speaker 2>Starting back in November of nineteen ninety eight, a year

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<v Speaker 2>before he got divorced, he began a crime spreed that

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<v Speaker 2>stretched across the country. We're talking. He robbed spots in California, Nevada, Oregon, Massachusetts, Maryland,

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<v Speaker 2>North Carolina, Virginia, Minnesota right now. In California, he broke

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<v Speaker 2>into McDonald's restaurants in towns you know, places you've been to,

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<v Speaker 2>San Luis, Obispo, Sam Pedro down South up here. He

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<v Speaker 2>hit spots like Emeryville, Dublin, Pleasanton, Pleasant Hill, from Roseville

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<v Speaker 2>to Placerville, all around the Sacramento.

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<v Speaker 3>County Whereville McDonald's is.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you do too. So based on eyewitness accounts

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<v Speaker 2>of the roofman, the police gave this description of the perp. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, be on the lookout for this guy who's

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<v Speaker 2>probably between eighteen and thirty years old. He was sought

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<v Speaker 2>to anywhere between five seven and six foot three. That's

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<v Speaker 2>that's a hell of a ring exactly. He looked like

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<v Speaker 2>a roof To put that into perspective, the range five

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<v Speaker 2>seven to six foot three, that starts with like Mark

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<v Speaker 2>Hamill and Robin Williams and like Willem Dafoe, they're all

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<v Speaker 2>five foot seven actors. At six three, you got Chris

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<v Speaker 2>Hemsworth aka Funny Hammer Guy. Yeah, yeah, so he's six three.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're looking for a guy somewhere between Robin

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<v Speaker 2>Williams and the guy who plays Thor.

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<v Speaker 3>And you don't have your glasses on, and he's like

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<v Speaker 3>moving around and bend and you.

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<v Speaker 2>May not know, possibly moving quick. Who knows? So this

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<v Speaker 2>cat roof man. The cops also pointed out a couple

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<v Speaker 2>other things. They said he had a prominent Adam's Apple.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, now hold on, you can you can't tell if

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<v Speaker 3>he's a little in but.

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<v Speaker 2>People have noticed this. Yeah, it must be really pro

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<v Speaker 2>it's even it's even better Elizabeth. Also apparently he had

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<v Speaker 2>a pair of noticeably fold lips.

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<v Speaker 3>What did he look like? Well, he had pillowy.

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<v Speaker 2>Lips, an apple, cozy bosom, and I quote he also

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<v Speaker 2>had extremely athletic build. It sounds like the copa roof

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<v Speaker 2>man if only I can swipe right on.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's like their dating profile. He has to be

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<v Speaker 3>anywhere between five seven and sixth Street, but he must

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<v Speaker 3>have beautiful casts.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike van Winkle from the California Department of Justice. He

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<v Speaker 2>said that the Roofman was and I quote, business like

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<v Speaker 2>and focused and very serious about what he does.

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<v Speaker 3>You carry a briefcase, but many.

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<v Speaker 2>Of those he robbed have been struck by What a

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<v Speaker 2>nice decent guy. He seems to be a real gentleman.

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<v Speaker 2>I really hope that the cost. I hope that they

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<v Speaker 2>find the roofman, because they seem really sprung.

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<v Speaker 3>They have a future.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, who knows, but I can see why

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<v Speaker 2>they love him. He's good. Right, As Van Winkle said,

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<v Speaker 2>it's human nature that when you find something that works,

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<v Speaker 2>you continue to do it. And he also added, and

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<v Speaker 2>I quote he knows that unlike banks, where you often

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<v Speaker 2>encounter silent alarms, video cameras and armed security guards, that's

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<v Speaker 2>not the case with fast food places. Like he's a

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<v Speaker 2>smart guy.

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<v Speaker 5>This guy his intellect if he's reinventing robbing seven months

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<v Speaker 5>free Jeff Manchester, he burgled forty restaurants, pulling a total

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<v Speaker 5>of one hundred grand.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, but as good as the cops made him out

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<v Speaker 2>to be, Rufman did occasionally run into troubles. Like his

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<v Speaker 2>mo o was to start from the roof. He'd find

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<v Speaker 2>a McDonald's he liked the looks of. Then he would

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<v Speaker 2>grab up his bag of drills and hammers and axes.

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<v Speaker 2>You get up there and repel up or whatever. Then

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<v Speaker 2>he'd chop into the roof and then he'd drill a hole.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes he couldn't get in so right later on cops

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<v Speaker 2>would discover some like half drilled hole, a mess of

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<v Speaker 2>abandoned tools, right, And other times he didn't do enough research,

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<v Speaker 2>so he'd get there he'd drill his hole. So when

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<v Speaker 2>he was in fulsome right Falls in California, he drilled

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<v Speaker 2>a hole in the roof, dropped in, but the restaurant

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<v Speaker 2>was closed. He's like, damn it, right.

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<v Speaker 3>There was another place he was going in when it

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<v Speaker 3>was open.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he would go in late at night to rob them.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically right at the end of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Ship, when people were still in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well the employees were still in the right time.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't repel up, right, you can only repel down.

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<v Speaker 2>You basically repelled down. Yeah, but I mean like you

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<v Speaker 2>can pull, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Can climb on when you go up climbing, something.

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<v Speaker 2>Telling you mountain climbing. That's why it's called climbing high.

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<v Speaker 2>So other times he would cut a hole in the

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<v Speaker 2>wrong place and he'd wound up in like a tiny

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<v Speaker 2>spot behind a freezer. You know, it's just like stuck, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>a little Heidi hole. So in Plasterville, he almost got

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<v Speaker 2>caught when the police arrived on the scene. He was

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<v Speaker 2>still inside the McDonald's. So the cops spot Jeff Manchester

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<v Speaker 2>inside and he spots the cops. So what did he do?

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<v Speaker 2>He jumps out of like I don't know, I imagine the

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<v Speaker 2>drive through window, and then he makes a run for it.

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<v Speaker 2>The local cops they give chase, right, but they haven't

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<v Speaker 2>had to do this kind of exercise in a while.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, right, So the roof man when he makes

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<v Speaker 2>a run for it, remember he's got that real extreme

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<v Speaker 2>physically fit body, and he's like, a yeah, exactly, it's

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<v Speaker 2>got those amazing calves.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you seen the caves?

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<v Speaker 2>If he wore short shorts, I'm telling you, I had

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<v Speaker 2>to eat it up. So anyway, he runs down to

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<v Speaker 2>Highway fifty, right, because they're in. He runs down the

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<v Speaker 2>Highway fifty. He runs across the freeway, four lanes of

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<v Speaker 2>speed and traffic. He loses the cops on the other side.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, I get paid enough for that, right, he

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<v Speaker 2>gets away. The reason why he's so successful for so

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<v Speaker 2>long was that he targeted teens who were working at

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<v Speaker 2>night under supervised totally. Because I remember, as I said,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the nineties, right, So the weak spot in

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<v Speaker 2>the American capitalism in the late nineties were all the

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<v Speaker 2>teenage assistant managers working at a McDonald's on a school night.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, like I'm not going to be a hero.

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<v Speaker 2>No, totally. The roofman he droves a two foot by

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<v Speaker 2>two foot hole he drops into a fast food spot,

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<v Speaker 2>usually McDonald's. The employees would be like almost closing. They're

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<v Speaker 2>stunned by this guy's mask. He's got like a semi

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<v Speaker 2>automatic weapon. He's demanding the day's receipts. They're like, oh, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>here you go. Here's all thirteen hundred dollars. Man, would

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<v Speaker 2>you want to go back through your hole now? So

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<v Speaker 2>the money? He would order that the employees into a

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<v Speaker 2>back room, maybe a walk in fridge.

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<v Speaker 3>That's dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, totally. But he would always then call the

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<v Speaker 2>cops to have them come and let the kids out. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, totally right. Detective from Lodi, California, who investigated

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<v Speaker 2>robbery your spot right, he described the Roofman's mo as saying,

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<v Speaker 2>how quote as he herds them into the cooler, He'll say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>look at it this way, at least you'll get the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the day off. He's definitely not your typical

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<v Speaker 2>hands up. This is a robbery kind of crook. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, he was memorable for his kindness as consideration.

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<v Speaker 2>One McDonald's manager remembered that end I quote. He was

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<v Speaker 2>really polite. He was apologizing. He said, would you please,

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<v Speaker 2>ma'am get on the floor, Would you please, ma'am, just

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<v Speaker 2>get down, like when he was in a pleasant hill,

0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:45.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, pleasant he asked employees, He robbed, can you

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<v Speaker 2>please get in the freezer?

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<v Speaker 3>The Sacramento be right, your beautiful mouth says it. I'll

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<v Speaker 3>do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Those pillowy lips tell me what to do. So the

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<v Speaker 2>Sacramento b newspaper they wrote about Roofman, how he enjoyed

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<v Speaker 2>quote a coast to coast reputation. Is the most courteous

0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:01.440
<v Speaker 2>thief in the nation. They're dropping bars at the video

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<v Speaker 2>over here. Anyway. Other times he gets noted for giving

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<v Speaker 2>employees coats before he locked him into the walk in fridge.

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<v Speaker 2>The guy's a sweetheart, right. But now obviously he would

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<v Speaker 2>show up with a loaded firearm. So sometimes he had

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<v Speaker 2>to let off a few from the semiauto to get respect.

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<v Speaker 2>But he put him into like the floor of those ceiling,

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<v Speaker 2>not at people, you know. Other times he one time

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<v Speaker 2>he shot out a glass door to make his escape,

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<v Speaker 2>which is just dramatic. That's fun. Anyway, Clovis police lieutenant,

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<v Speaker 2>they once noted that for a guy holding a gun,

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<v Speaker 2>he was pretty mellow. He wasn't excited in the least,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, So even the cops, they love him everywhere

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<v Speaker 2>he goes. Now, now, now that we've gotten to know

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<v Speaker 2>the roof man, let's take a little break, a little

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<v Speaker 2>and after this, I'll tell you why he focused on McDonald's.

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<v Speaker 2>But also there's so so much more, like just wait

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<v Speaker 2>till we get to toys r us Oh and Rebecca

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Hi, I know, Hi? So why McDonald's why not?

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<v Speaker 2>What did the roof man have against the red wigged

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<v Speaker 2>clown and his fast food spot?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. He wanted to be a hamburglar?

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<v Speaker 2>Why did Yeah? Why did he want to be the

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<v Speaker 2>real world hamburglar? When McDonald's became aware of this burglar

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<v Speaker 2>who kept targeting their franchisees, yeah, they were pretty proud

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<v Speaker 2>of his brand loyalty.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh really, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>There was an official who was not named in the

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<v Speaker 2>stories I found, but he said, and I quote, he

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<v Speaker 2>likes us. He's very brand loyal, a loyal customer, and

0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:37.480
<v Speaker 2>we work hard to build that loyalty.

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<v Speaker 3>And he was unnamed. Yeah, oh, my god, you know that,

0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:42.720
<v Speaker 3>like the higher ups are reading this to me, like,

0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:45.159
<v Speaker 3>oh my god, would you come on, You've got to

0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:45.960
<v Speaker 3>figure out who that.

0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:50.159
<v Speaker 2>Was that guy from Clovis. So, Elizabeth, if you were

0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:53.439
<v Speaker 2>the roof woman, yeah, what would be what would be

0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:56.520
<v Speaker 2>your McDonald's? What store would you constantly break into? Burgle

0:22:57.080 --> 0:22:59.240
<v Speaker 2>Like here, I'll give you time to think. As an example,

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<v Speaker 2>I go with the store that sells kettle corn, just

0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:07.320
<v Speaker 2>all sorts of varieties my house. I know what do

0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:10.840
<v Speaker 2>you think? I got the idea there's a cattle store dedicated.

0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:16.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm coming through the roof. Just get back in. I'm

0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:19.520
<v Speaker 2>like walking out. I got all the kettle corn for day.

0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:20.560
<v Speaker 3>You know what I would do?

0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:21.320
<v Speaker 2>What you do?

0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:25.000
<v Speaker 3>Like the mattress firm. First of all, you drop through,

0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:25.960
<v Speaker 3>you land on a mattress.

0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:28.720
<v Speaker 2>Hello, I like this thinking, and you know, just.

0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:31.719
<v Speaker 3>Find me a good pillowtop o man. And then you know,

0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:34.760
<v Speaker 3>we have all these theories that those are money laundering.

0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:38.360
<v Speaker 3>So I'm going to imagine serious cash in there.

0:23:38.800 --> 0:23:40.239
<v Speaker 2>And if you get the right day that they're doing

0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:41.200
<v Speaker 2>the deliveries for the.

0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:43.280
<v Speaker 3>Washing yep, I'm the mattress mama.

0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:49.440
<v Speaker 2>What did you do yourself? I'm not even going to

0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:57.520
<v Speaker 2>take that cheap shot that I could. I'm gonna I'm

0:23:57.560 --> 0:24:01.320
<v Speaker 2>looking at me being a gentleman, Elizabeth. Moving on, the

0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:06.440
<v Speaker 2>real reason why Jeff Manchester McDonald's was not his love

0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:09.639
<v Speaker 2>of big Maxim broken shake machines. Now, the truth was

0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:12.160
<v Speaker 2>far more mundane than that, you see, Elizabeth. He worked

0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:14.960
<v Speaker 2>there as a teen. It was the nineties. Everybody works

0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:18.360
<v Speaker 2>as a team, So he knew McDonald's. He knew the schedule,

0:24:18.400 --> 0:24:20.560
<v Speaker 2>he knew a manager would likely leave early and let

0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:23.560
<v Speaker 2>a teen assistant manager close up. He knew that. Yeah,

0:24:23.720 --> 0:24:26.000
<v Speaker 2>he knew their restaurants, right, He knew their whole routine,

0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:28.840
<v Speaker 2>so it didn't matter if it was fulsome California, Devil's Triangle,

0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:31.840
<v Speaker 2>North Carolina. He knew the layout before he walked in.

0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:34.560
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes they were so cookie cutter. I mean, he knew

0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:37.200
<v Speaker 2>where the back office would be from the rooftop, all right.

0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:40.240
<v Speaker 3>So he's just whipping up a couple quarter pounders while

0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:40.720
<v Speaker 3>he's waiting.

0:24:40.880 --> 0:24:42.600
<v Speaker 2>He just got to go and cook and like, right,

0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:45.720
<v Speaker 2>go get the cash. I'm gonna flip these burdens. So

0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:48.400
<v Speaker 2>he was like, you know, basically robbing the same restaurant

0:24:48.480 --> 0:24:51.199
<v Speaker 2>over and over and over again, and for a military man,

0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:53.720
<v Speaker 2>it's this is ideal. He had the same mission every

0:24:53.880 --> 0:24:56.320
<v Speaker 2>time and he could just perfect it. He's just dialing

0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:59.640
<v Speaker 2>it in. So, but I'll be honest, he wasn't exclusive

0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:02.600
<v Speaker 2>to MCD, despite what the fast food giant would tell you.

0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:05.920
<v Speaker 2>His brand loyalty also extended to I mean extended far.

0:25:06.000 --> 0:25:08.080
<v Speaker 2>He would even be He would rob a burger king

0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:10.200
<v Speaker 2>in the Burger Wars. He was on both sides of

0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:10.919
<v Speaker 2>the battlefield.

0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:14.520
<v Speaker 3>No, he'sire it is so.

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:16.960
<v Speaker 2>He would also burgle other spots, other restaurants, places that

0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:21.000
<v Speaker 2>weren't restaurants, grocery stores, Blockbuster video, maybe a home base

0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:24.919
<v Speaker 2>or a toys r us. More on that later. So

0:25:24.960 --> 0:25:27.399
<v Speaker 2>the deal is the roofman is mostly driving around our

0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:31.000
<v Speaker 2>old stomping grounds into our cow drilling holes into roofs McDonald's,

0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:34.119
<v Speaker 2>dropping in on unsuspecting teens working the night shift on

0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:36.879
<v Speaker 2>a Tuesday, on a school night, and he shepherd them

0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:39.200
<v Speaker 2>into the walk in fridge, sweet talk them a little,

0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:41.400
<v Speaker 2>then rob the place blind and walk out.

0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:42.080
<v Speaker 3>Did he leave?

0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:45.960
<v Speaker 2>He usually just walk right out here? Why climb back

0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:48.760
<v Speaker 2>up the hole? He never got caught, his glorious hole.

0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:51.600
<v Speaker 2>He never got caught Elizabeth. One investigator believed he was

0:25:51.640 --> 0:25:54.840
<v Speaker 2>so good. They thought, this cat will never get caught.

0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:56.159
<v Speaker 2>There's no chance for us.

0:25:56.200 --> 0:25:58.320
<v Speaker 3>He's just so good, he's so beautiful.

0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:01.920
<v Speaker 2>And why because the roofman was quote extremely fast, strong,

0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:06.080
<v Speaker 2>and has kept his cool when cornered. Now nothing good

0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:10.120
<v Speaker 2>can last forever. Oh my god, you can just Yeah,

0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:12.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm like steam and Jean's over here, officer. So what's

0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:15.760
<v Speaker 2>next for Rufman? Obviously he must have gotten caught if

0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:19.000
<v Speaker 2>he's on this show, so he indeed get caught. I'll

0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:20.640
<v Speaker 2>just skip to the end on that. But in May

0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:23.960
<v Speaker 2>two thousand, Jeff Manchester he was sent east. Right, he

0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:26.959
<v Speaker 2>was stationed in North Carolina, which is what ended his

0:26:27.080 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 2>North cal crime spree because now he's slipped in a

0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:32.600
<v Speaker 2>whole different states. And also it ended his crime spree

0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:36.440
<v Speaker 2>in general because though he goes out one night.

0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:38.160
<v Speaker 3>At this point, did he find the Lord?

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:40.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, he was in the four hundred and eighty first

0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Transportation Company, Right, he gets sent out to North Carolina

0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:46.480
<v Speaker 2>for an annual training exercise. He's like still in the service,

0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:47.159
<v Speaker 2>right was he?

0:26:47.200 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 3>Where was he sent? I don't know where. They air

0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:54.119
<v Speaker 3>army in Gastonia. Oh I know where that is right.

0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:57.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So May twentieth, he drops into McDonald's in Gastonia,

0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:00.320
<v Speaker 2>but it was closed. Oops. He didn't do enough survice

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:01.840
<v Speaker 2>on he was just like, I guess working out a jag.

0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:03.840
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I just got here. I gotta go steal something.

0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:06.680
<v Speaker 3>It's like if you go to in fayette Fille, North Carolina,

0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:09.240
<v Speaker 3>if you're driving up, I think that's Marines. Though they

0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:09.760
<v Speaker 3>have like.

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:11.080
<v Speaker 2>There's a ton of base.

0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:13.720
<v Speaker 3>The people, all the parachuters like to see them, like

0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:15.760
<v Speaker 3>littering the sky, these little boys.

0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:18.560
<v Speaker 2>You look across the horizon.

0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:21.679
<v Speaker 3>It's so creepy. It's strange. But so I wonder if

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:23.120
<v Speaker 3>he was sent to fat Mom.

0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:25.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's what they called me. Yeah, I don't I

0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:28.159
<v Speaker 2>don't know where exactly, but uh, I just know this

0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:31.640
<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth And as far as the crime goes, that same

0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:34.560
<v Speaker 2>night he decided, you know what, I got my jag.

0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:37.120
<v Speaker 2>I just didn't do it for me. So he went.

0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:39.440
<v Speaker 2>He drove ten miles down the road to a town

0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:42.400
<v Speaker 2>called Belmont, and he had a second McDonald's. Okay, he'd

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:44.840
<v Speaker 2>waited so long. It was five hours later now, right,

0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:47.840
<v Speaker 2>so the McDonald's it was closed, but he thought he'd

0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:49.639
<v Speaker 2>wait for the morning rush and be like, open up

0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:52.399
<v Speaker 2>and give me the receipts from last night, right, some

0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:55.760
<v Speaker 2>employees they come in. He surprises them. He robs the place.

0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:59.240
<v Speaker 2>He ushered them into the walk in fridge. But apparently

0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:02.960
<v Speaker 2>this wasn't like a nighttime teenager assistant manager. This guy

0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:04.840
<v Speaker 2>was on it right. He breaks them out of the

0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:08.440
<v Speaker 2>walk in fridge, He escapes, calls the cops. Police arrive

0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:11.960
<v Speaker 2>in time that Manchester is still inside the McDonald's, but

0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 2>he spots the cops. He makes a run for it

0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:16.040
<v Speaker 2>once again. I'm imagining him jumping out of the drive

0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:18.560
<v Speaker 2>through a window. And of course why not, you know,

0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:21.560
<v Speaker 2>Bellemont cops they give chase, and unlike the California cops,

0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:24.440
<v Speaker 2>you chase these guys. They're relentless. Oh yeah, oh yeah.

0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:27.160
<v Speaker 2>They chase Rufman into the woods, into the brush, over

0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:30.119
<v Speaker 2>a hill and dale. He gets basically located in like

0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:32.240
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of tall grass. He gets tired of running.

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:34.960
<v Speaker 2>He just lays low. Doesn't work. When he gets caught.

0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:37.679
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't get into a shootout, he doesn't swing on

0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:40.280
<v Speaker 2>the cops. Instead, he just looks up at the arresting

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:42.840
<v Speaker 2>officers and says, you guys did a real good job today,

0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:43.640
<v Speaker 2>and they're.

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:44.840
<v Speaker 3>Like, oh my god, he's so putty.

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:49.120
<v Speaker 2>He spoke to us. Did you see those lips so full?

0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:52.240
<v Speaker 2>Do you think he had work done? So in custody,

0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 2>Roofman said he wasn't the guy who robbed McDonald's in California,

0:28:57.080 --> 0:28:59.360
<v Speaker 2>which they may hear about. No, that he was just a.

0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 3>Copy like preemptively telling.

0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:04.040
<v Speaker 2>Me, yeah, He's like, I'm just a copycat imitating that guy.

0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:07.040
<v Speaker 2>So if you hear anything, I wasn't there. The problem

0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:10.640
<v Speaker 2>with that story was his military records. They neatly corresponded

0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:12.840
<v Speaker 2>with the timing and the locations of all the burglaries.

0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:15.760
<v Speaker 2>So jeff Manchester, he gets sent to prison. He's thirty

0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:18.479
<v Speaker 2>three years old. It's his Jesus here, Elizabeth. Yeah, and

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 2>like Jesus, heyesus Christo, he too, rolled back the rock

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:25.320
<v Speaker 2>and came back from the dead. For four years, Jeffrey

0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:28.479
<v Speaker 2>Manchester was on his best behavior. He earns the wardens

0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:31.000
<v Speaker 2>trust Elizabeth. He gets rewarded with the job in the

0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 2>prison metal shop. Then he starts to track the trucks

0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:35.680
<v Speaker 2>that come in and out of the prison. He decides,

0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 2>you know what, that's gonna be my way out of here,

0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:41.640
<v Speaker 2>so he takes some plywood he paints it black. Then

0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:45.640
<v Speaker 2>in June, he climbs under an outgoing truck. He fastens

0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:49.480
<v Speaker 2>his plywood platform to the bottom. He secrets himself away.

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:52.520
<v Speaker 2>He tucks in some cardboard to take care of the sides.

0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:56.480
<v Speaker 2>Truck drives out of the prison roofman goes with it. Wow,

0:29:56.760 --> 0:29:59.040
<v Speaker 2>first time a prisoner had ever escaped from this recently

0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:02.480
<v Speaker 2>built prison. Word spreads of his escape right some of

0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:05.320
<v Speaker 2>the officers who had been investigating him back in northern California,

0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:08.320
<v Speaker 2>they started on the grape Vinyl officers. They're like, this

0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 2>is like pretty much pre social media, pre internet kind

0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:13.680
<v Speaker 2>of stuff. So they're calling around. I guess Jose de

0:30:13.760 --> 0:30:16.600
<v Speaker 2>Latoa he hears about this. He's like, you gotta be

0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:20.480
<v Speaker 2>kidding me. Anytime someone escapes, it's surprising. But this guy

0:30:20.640 --> 0:30:24.480
<v Speaker 2>was very good at what he did. So once again,

0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:28.120
<v Speaker 2>now he's free. He's out. He climbs down from the

0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:31.719
<v Speaker 2>hidden platform. He hitchhikes to This is Charlotte, North Carolina.

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:34.240
<v Speaker 2>And this is two thousand and four, mind you. Right.

0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:36.040
<v Speaker 2>In the fall of two thousand and four, a man

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:41.160
<v Speaker 2>named John Zorn makes a new life for himself in Charlotte.

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:43.880
<v Speaker 3>John Zorn, that is such a fake. Yeah.

0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So he sinks some roots in the community and

0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:48.720
<v Speaker 2>it's the South Elizabeth. What does that mean. It means

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:52.320
<v Speaker 2>he goes and he attends Crossroads Presbyterian Church. You gotta

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:55.560
<v Speaker 2>get yourself a church. He gets himself a church. And

0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:58.200
<v Speaker 2>he was as he was, you know, his neighbors described

0:30:58.280 --> 0:31:00.920
<v Speaker 2>him as a quiet, unassuming man. He told folks he

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:02.960
<v Speaker 2>worked for the government. A lot of people do back there,

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 2>and the sort of government job where he had a

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:07.840
<v Speaker 2>security clearance and thus he couldn't talk about it convenient.

0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:10.040
<v Speaker 2>This satisfied most of the folks, like what a good patriot.

0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:12.840
<v Speaker 2>So at church, John Zorn, he met a woman named

0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 2>Lee Wayne's Cot and they were close in age, although

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 2>she was a few years older. Just a couple, but

0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 2>the two hit it off. Lee, the way she recalled it,

0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 2>John Zorn was quote funny, romantic, the most sensitive man

0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 2>I've ever met. She also added, and I quote the

0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:30.360
<v Speaker 2>guy that every girl would want, Lee, I got some

0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:32.240
<v Speaker 2>bad news for you. Also, every cop.

0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:34.560
<v Speaker 3>Biggest Adam Zeppelin ever seen.

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:38.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you. Well, he was a forty year old

0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:40.720
<v Speaker 2>single mother, right, so she couldn't just let herself fall

0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:43.719
<v Speaker 2>for any guy. Right, she's got she has to be responsible,

0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 2>a responsible right, so she had to think for and

0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:49.120
<v Speaker 2>for her kids. Right, she meets this guy and John Zorn.

0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:52.440
<v Speaker 2>He's good with her kids. He's kind, he's always bringing

0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:55.680
<v Speaker 2>them toys. He's very generous. Also, the couple they being

0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:58.000
<v Speaker 2>in to start talking about their future. I mean stuff

0:31:58.000 --> 0:32:00.000
<v Speaker 2>that you did she didn't expect. The forty year old's

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:01.960
<v Speaker 2>mother was like, I didn't think I was this was

0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:06.480
<v Speaker 2>gonna happen, right. Unfortunately, John Zorn had a secret. His

0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:10.600
<v Speaker 2>name wasn't really John Zorn, Elizabeth, it was Jeffrey Allen Manchester.

0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:12.600
<v Speaker 2>And he did not have a top secret job with

0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:16.160
<v Speaker 2>the government. He was unemployed because he was an escaped convict.

0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:18.440
<v Speaker 2>He had no home that he could take Lee and

0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:21.520
<v Speaker 2>her kids too, because he was unhoused, and technically he

0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:23.960
<v Speaker 2>lived inside of a shuttered circuit city store.

0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:30.200
<v Speaker 3>Stop what you're doing in closed circuit city.

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, a closed, abandoned circuit city store. So when the

0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:37.080
<v Speaker 2>Roofman was in prison in North Carolina, he'd heard from

0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:38.800
<v Speaker 2>one of his fellow inmates, because you know, it's like

0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:41.680
<v Speaker 2>a little educational center in there. So they tell him

0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:44.440
<v Speaker 2>like yeah, man, you have criminal sentences for commercial burglary

0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:50.720
<v Speaker 2>are not terribly draconian in Mecklenburg County. So that's why

0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:53.600
<v Speaker 2>he picked Charlotte, Charlotte Mecklenburg, right, So that's why. At

0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:56.200
<v Speaker 2>first he moves inside of a Toys r Us superstore.

0:32:56.400 --> 0:33:00.640
<v Speaker 2>That's his first home. But it's it's open, it's a business.

0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 2>He's living in an opened.

0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:06.680
<v Speaker 3>That is like every eight year old toys stream exactly.

0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:09.920
<v Speaker 2>He finds a way to sneak inside the walls of

0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:12.440
<v Speaker 2>the store right right behind like a bicycle display and

0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:15.600
<v Speaker 2>the toys. Yeah, he digs into like the dry wall.

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:17.400
<v Speaker 2>He gets a little crack open, he digs into the wall.

0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:19.800
<v Speaker 2>He makes himself a little spot. But then he starts

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:22.360
<v Speaker 2>like doing renovations boys in the wall and he makes

0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 2>himself a little secret Toys.

0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:25.560
<v Speaker 3>R Us apartment out of legos.

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:28.560
<v Speaker 2>No, just like inside the drywall, in the segments in

0:33:28.600 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 2>between the walls. He just makes himself a little place

0:33:30.560 --> 0:33:33.480
<v Speaker 2>to live. He starts like digging around the wall and

0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 2>accidentally kicks through the wall and gets into the next

0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:38.560
<v Speaker 2>door business, which is a circuit City, which has been closed,

0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:41.320
<v Speaker 2>but the power is still on. So that's where he

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:44.440
<v Speaker 2>sets up a secret apartment that will not be disturbed

0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:46.960
<v Speaker 2>by knows the employees, or because there's no employees, there's

0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:49.760
<v Speaker 2>not a storry about, right, So Elizabeth, can you imagine

0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 2>living inside a Toys r Us? But not as an adult, like,

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:53.600
<v Speaker 2>let's imagine it is kids.

0:33:54.200 --> 0:33:55.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh dang, it's over.

0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:57.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't know about you, but do you remember holiday

0:33:57.560 --> 0:33:59.120
<v Speaker 2>season the Toys r US catalog?

0:33:59.360 --> 0:33:59.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:33:59.880 --> 0:34:01.560
<v Speaker 2>I got my sister and I it was this a

0:34:01.640 --> 0:34:04.520
<v Speaker 2>storehouse of desires, circle stuff, tear up pages, lay them

0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 2>around the house.

0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, better would around like what's this on the

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:12.479
<v Speaker 3>dining room table?

0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Just happened to be there? Circled and pointed out?

0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 3>So crazy?

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:18.319
<v Speaker 2>Darren would love this? Did Santa put that there?

0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:19.799
<v Speaker 3>Picking up?

0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Like? Mom?

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:24.279
<v Speaker 3>Did you want me to see this? I was actually like.

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:28.400
<v Speaker 2>This exactly what I wanted in that color. So do

0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:30.680
<v Speaker 2>you know the name of the giraffe mascot for Toys

0:34:30.760 --> 0:34:31.000
<v Speaker 2>r Us?

0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:31.919
<v Speaker 3>Jeffrey? Yeah?

0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Why do I know that? Right?

0:34:34.280 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 3>But isn't it like Geoffrey.

0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:38.080
<v Speaker 2>With the g look at you double down?

0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:41.560
<v Speaker 3>There's so much that I don't remember.

0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:43.759
<v Speaker 2>And then the things you do the name of the

0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:45.320
<v Speaker 2>mascot for a defunct toy.

0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:47.399
<v Speaker 3>Company exactly, or like songs that come on.

0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:49.759
<v Speaker 2>The hall the looks you're amazing with that.

0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:53.719
<v Speaker 3>By the way, the roofman's name is Jeffrey.

0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:57.319
<v Speaker 2>In their coverage, ever did this, They never compared to Yes,

0:34:57.320 --> 0:34:59.680
<v Speaker 2>the whole It's the Toys r us Man, the Jeffy's

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:03.399
<v Speaker 2>he grew up as the It's the Toys r us

0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:06.720
<v Speaker 2>Man anyway, jeff Manchester, as I told you, he's dating

0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:10.000
<v Speaker 2>the single mother Lee Waynscott. He's playing at being a stepfather.

0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:12.799
<v Speaker 2>He's a member of the local Presbyterian church. He's living

0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:15.960
<v Speaker 2>inside a deserted circuit city. He's doing his shopping from

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:19.400
<v Speaker 2>the neighborhood Toys r us So. This tiny area that

0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:21.759
<v Speaker 2>he called a home was the space beneath the stairwell

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:23.759
<v Speaker 2>right in the circuit city. He had a bed that

0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:26.200
<v Speaker 2>he stole from Toys r us On his bed he

0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 2>had spider totally had like Spider Man sheets because he

0:35:30.239 --> 0:35:32.200
<v Speaker 2>also stole from Toys r us On the walls of

0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:34.640
<v Speaker 2>his secret apartment, he had posters of Spider Man and

0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Superman movies. Oh yeah, put up posters a whole bit,

0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:40.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, for evening entertainment. He'd wired up a DVD player,

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:42.840
<v Speaker 2>and he stole some DVDs from Toys r US. So

0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:45.319
<v Speaker 2>he had like forty days and forty nights. He had

0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:47.719
<v Speaker 2>match Stick men. Of course, he had Spider Man two,

0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:51.480
<v Speaker 2>the Tobey Maguire one. Now for nutrition and nourishment, you

0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:53.319
<v Speaker 2>may be wondering what's he doing to live on.

0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:55.920
<v Speaker 3>I was totally I was thinking that.

0:35:56.040 --> 0:35:59.359
<v Speaker 2>Baby food, jars of baby food that he stole from

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:02.040
<v Speaker 2>toys r us. They sell baby food and toys r US.

0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:06.439
<v Speaker 2>So he lived off of strain peas and oh my god,

0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:07.320
<v Speaker 2>just all diarrhea.

0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:07.959
<v Speaker 3>That's all.

0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Paste at this point. So he was super attracted the

0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:17.719
<v Speaker 2>lad Oh god. Yeah. They also he wired up a

0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 2>smoked a fire. He had a fire extinguisher and a

0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:24.320
<v Speaker 2>smoke detector as an early warning detection system. There's like

0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:27.440
<v Speaker 2>a motion detector. He also, yeah, he wouldn't we wouldn't

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 2>be surprised by workmen or inspectors.

0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:32.279
<v Speaker 3>He had to totally like rig it up. Otherwise it's

0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:35.400
<v Speaker 3>like you're only early detecting a fire exactly.

0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:38.880
<v Speaker 2>So, by the way, think about this, he's been in prison,

0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:42.000
<v Speaker 2>right he escapes. He had a four foot by eight

0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:44.040
<v Speaker 2>foot sell in prison. Now he has a four foot

0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 2>by ten foot secret apartment in Circuit City.

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:48.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean he has the whole place place.

0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:51.239
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, cleaned down, empty, there's like.

0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:54.799
<v Speaker 3>Stains on it, thousands of square feet.

0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:57.320
<v Speaker 2>But he spotted inside because.

0:36:57.280 --> 0:36:59.839
<v Speaker 3>He probably had like small quarters in the.

0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:02.360
<v Speaker 2>Builds, a prison of his own design. It's like it's

0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:04.239
<v Speaker 2>like a little piece of heaven for someone living on

0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:07.000
<v Speaker 2>the land. I guess. Anyway, beyond the DVDs, he falls

0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:09.760
<v Speaker 2>asleep too. And the baby food eats for breakfast, lunch,

0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:12.160
<v Speaker 2>and dinner. What else did the roof man do all

0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:15.439
<v Speaker 2>day and all night inside Circuit City? And toys are Well,

0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:17.279
<v Speaker 2>there's a bit answer that. I'd like you to close

0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:23.680
<v Speaker 2>your eyes and take a break, okay, and when we

0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:27.839
<v Speaker 2>get back, I will tell you what it's like inside

0:37:28.400 --> 0:37:30.399
<v Speaker 2>Toys or US when you have it as you take

0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:30.920
<v Speaker 2>your apartment.

0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:53.640
<v Speaker 4>Yay, Elizabeth, how were those ads?

0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:53.879
<v Speaker 2>Huh?

0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. My eyes were closed.

0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:57.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, well they were good. I'll just tell you

0:37:57.320 --> 0:37:58.640
<v Speaker 2>that now if.

0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:01.120
<v Speaker 3>You want to get here with my eyes c to

0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:02.279
<v Speaker 3>know what was.

0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:05.279
<v Speaker 2>Going on and say, you like a Circuit City that's shuttered, yeah,

0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:07.680
<v Speaker 2>and next door to a Toys r US that's open,

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:08.800
<v Speaker 2>and you live in both.

0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:10.480
<v Speaker 3>Of those m and I got the squirts.

0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:12.439
<v Speaker 2>Boy, if I got a treat for you, yeah, because

0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:14.799
<v Speaker 2>I'd like you to close your eyes and i'd like

0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:20.239
<v Speaker 2>you to pictures. It's a quiet night at the Circuit City, Elizabeth.

0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:23.120
<v Speaker 2>The lights are low, but there's music playing from a

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:26.640
<v Speaker 2>DVD player. It's the soundtrack for the movie Smoking in

0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:31.240
<v Speaker 2>the Bandit and you, Elizabeth, are Jeffrey Manchester's imaginary friend

0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Regina Corntower. At the moment, you are driving in a

0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:38.120
<v Speaker 2>race against Jeff, He's piloting a Barbie dream car. You

0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:41.040
<v Speaker 2>are driving the right along Barbie pink cheek and you

0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:44.160
<v Speaker 2>are losing. You're racing around in the aisles and the

0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:47.200
<v Speaker 2>battery powered car engine wines as you punch it. The

0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:51.040
<v Speaker 2>car tires slide across the Linolean tile floor. You think

0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:53.840
<v Speaker 2>you can overtake the lead, maybe beat Jeff, because of

0:38:53.840 --> 0:38:56.200
<v Speaker 2>course you do, since you're an imaginary friend. And that's

0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:59.400
<v Speaker 2>what Jeff Manchester wants you to think. But also he

0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:02.160
<v Speaker 2>has a plan. When you pulled even with him, hoping

0:39:02.200 --> 0:39:05.040
<v Speaker 2>to pass, he lets you take the outside and then

0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:07.920
<v Speaker 2>he puts you in the wall hole. No, just like

0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Tom Cruise and days of thunder a Jerry Bruckheimer production.

0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 2>The Barbie Jeeks slams into the shelves, the toys fall

0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:17.759
<v Speaker 2>off and hits you in your imaginary head. Jeff Manchester

0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:20.720
<v Speaker 2>laughs and continues to race on around the empty toys

0:39:20.800 --> 0:39:23.840
<v Speaker 2>r us late at night. I'll bite himself. He's won again.

0:39:24.120 --> 0:39:25.160
<v Speaker 2>He always wins.

0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:26.480
<v Speaker 3>He wins again.

0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:29.319
<v Speaker 2>So I've even messing around and living the best life

0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:31.520
<v Speaker 2>an eleven year old in a Hollywood movie about a

0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:34.120
<v Speaker 2>kid who calls a shuddered toy store at his home.

0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:37.400
<v Speaker 2>What else was Jeff Manchester doing? Elizabeth?

0:39:38.360 --> 0:39:39.359
<v Speaker 3>Am I still picturing it?

0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:39.440
<v Speaker 5>No?

0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:41.000
<v Speaker 2>They were picturing it. What do you think?

0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:44.680
<v Speaker 3>I just think that every time he sat down it

0:39:44.719 --> 0:39:45.720
<v Speaker 3>was a squeeshiesun.

0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:48.359
<v Speaker 2>Gotta bring it back?

0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:49.640
<v Speaker 1>I could.

0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:51.120
<v Speaker 6>Well.

0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Luckily they toys are us. They sell diapers, He's goods

0:39:56.200 --> 0:39:58.400
<v Speaker 2>and they have they got wipes. They have a product

0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:02.680
<v Speaker 2>called Boudreau's butt paste, so he's should be covered. That's

0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:06.200
<v Speaker 2>her babies who have issues with anyway, Elizabeth back to

0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:11.680
<v Speaker 2>Lee Waynscott, his girlfriend many partners. She wanted to go out.

0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:13.440
<v Speaker 2>She wanted to go out for a nice dinner and

0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:15.560
<v Speaker 2>not eat babyfood. She wanted to go out and see

0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:18.880
<v Speaker 2>a show, maybe a play. Something he wanted to do

0:40:18.920 --> 0:40:21.920
<v Speaker 2>a couple's due. But John Zorn, her boyfriend and his

0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:24.759
<v Speaker 2>top secret government job, couldn't give her those things.

0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:27.560
<v Speaker 3>You didn't even like go dutch on a bill.

0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:30.879
<v Speaker 2>No, no, not at all. He's got no cash. Yeah,

0:40:30.880 --> 0:40:33.239
<v Speaker 2>he's not really real, because what was real was that

0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey Manchester needed to figure out a way to get

0:40:35.640 --> 0:40:38.920
<v Speaker 2>some cash in his life, right, not Spiderman DVD. So

0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:42.799
<v Speaker 2>he starts to plan his next great robbery. Instead of

0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:45.120
<v Speaker 2>going back to his old mo, he had a new idea.

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:46.560
<v Speaker 2>He would rob the toys r US.

0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:48.919
<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm wondering why that hasn't happened yet, right, Yeah,

0:40:49.040 --> 0:40:51.640
<v Speaker 3>but this would require some surveillance, right, So he installed

0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:53.800
<v Speaker 3>a series of baby monitors around the store.

0:40:55.160 --> 0:40:57.200
<v Speaker 2>He used those to spy on the goings on of

0:40:57.280 --> 0:41:01.360
<v Speaker 2>the employees management. He's like McCauley, Kulkan is robbing toys

0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:04.200
<v Speaker 2>r using.

0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:05.280
<v Speaker 3>That anyway because it's so boring.

0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally. You would not be able to last two

0:41:08.080 --> 0:41:10.040
<v Speaker 2>days at this. But not only this, he also starts

0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:12.799
<v Speaker 2>to change the employee's schedules because he wants to create

0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:15.120
<v Speaker 2>a weak moment without any managers on the floor, and

0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:17.400
<v Speaker 2>that's when he'll rob the Toys r Us. Really, so

0:41:17.440 --> 0:41:19.440
<v Speaker 2>he'd take his girlfriend out for a real date. So,

0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:22.480
<v Speaker 2>just like the McDonald's, the Toys r Us also followed regular,

0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:25.960
<v Speaker 2>predictable corporate practices that made it far easier target for

0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 2>him to burgle. But unlike McDonald's, he was essentially living

0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:31.680
<v Speaker 2>inside the Toys r Us and so thus he was

0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:35.799
<v Speaker 2>living behind. He's leaving behind all this evidence of his presence, right,

0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:38.520
<v Speaker 2>so it didn't take long for employees to notice Smith,

0:41:38.520 --> 0:41:42.160
<v Speaker 2>the missing merchandise, the baby boot bottles everywhere. Yeah, the

0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:45.120
<v Speaker 2>smell suspicions start to grow. People are getting tired of

0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:50.000
<v Speaker 2>blaming Greg, so casual investigations get launched. If he was

0:41:50.040 --> 0:41:52.040
<v Speaker 2>going to rob from the Toys r Us, his window

0:41:52.239 --> 0:41:55.000
<v Speaker 2>is closing fast and he gets that. Right. Meanwhile, he's

0:41:55.040 --> 0:41:58.279
<v Speaker 2>attending Bible study class every Wednesday. He's going over to

0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:01.440
<v Speaker 2>his girlfriend's place. He'd ocay robin McDonald's and then take

0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:03.560
<v Speaker 2>Lee out to a nice restaurant one he could afford,

0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:06.279
<v Speaker 2>like Red Lobster. Yeah, he's like Beyonce, you know, if

0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:08.000
<v Speaker 2>you're good, you're gonna take you out to Red Lobster.

0:42:08.800 --> 0:42:11.240
<v Speaker 3>I bet you that when he went to Bible study,

0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:13.759
<v Speaker 3>he just like loaded up on all the snacks. On

0:42:13.840 --> 0:42:17.200
<v Speaker 3>Wednesday night, they're just like he does like early morning

0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:20.279
<v Speaker 3>stuff to get them arms nice.

0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:24.440
<v Speaker 2>Get some protein. So other nights, sometimes a couple they

0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:27.399
<v Speaker 2>would stay in watch movies because the guy had quite

0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:31.640
<v Speaker 2>a DVD collection. I'm telling you, buzz. He remained generous,

0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:38.360
<v Speaker 2>remember exactly double trouble. Anyway, he's bringing over toys for

0:42:38.400 --> 0:42:41.480
<v Speaker 2>the girlfriend's kids. Oh sure, every time he comes over

0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:45.960
<v Speaker 2>brand new, big ticket toys. The rest. He's also donating

0:42:46.000 --> 0:42:49.160
<v Speaker 2>to the church that she's like, he's so generous. Yeah,

0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:51.680
<v Speaker 2>so John Zorn even though also he gave the church

0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:55.719
<v Speaker 2>pastor the first two seasons of Seinfeld on DVD. So

0:42:55.840 --> 0:42:58.800
<v Speaker 2>the church pastor is like, and I quote, he's very engaging,

0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:03.480
<v Speaker 2>down to earth, nice felt lips. Oh yeah. So around

0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:05.560
<v Speaker 2>the same time he goes to a dentist have some

0:43:05.640 --> 0:43:08.560
<v Speaker 2>work done, right, he's got a tooth pain. So also

0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 2>at the same time he's got a gym membership. She

0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:12.560
<v Speaker 2>started to lay down some other roots. He creates a

0:43:12.600 --> 0:43:15.080
<v Speaker 2>little life for himself. And he didn't know it then,

0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:17.440
<v Speaker 2>but this would be the mistake that he's making. He

0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:20.320
<v Speaker 2>cannot have a life for himself. As John Zorn anyway,

0:43:20.480 --> 0:43:24.040
<v Speaker 2>one Charlotte police captain much later noted, if you draw

0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:26.680
<v Speaker 2>a donut around that circuit city, I bet he talked

0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:29.560
<v Speaker 2>to everyone within a mile. Yeah. So he's out there

0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:33.359
<v Speaker 2>now trying to do he got a life. Yeah, yeah,

0:43:33.480 --> 0:43:35.120
<v Speaker 2>he's just out there, like, hey, how you guys doing.

0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:37.200
<v Speaker 3>How's he paying for his gym membership?

0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:39.239
<v Speaker 2>He goes and robs and McDonald's and then he's got

0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:41.879
<v Speaker 2>a couple hundred bucks. He's not much. It's not paying rent,

0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:46.000
<v Speaker 2>but he doesn't have car insurance. I got him once again.

0:43:46.000 --> 0:43:49.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, maybe a cash anyway. The holidays approach Elizabeth.

0:43:49.560 --> 0:43:53.040
<v Speaker 2>Now he's set for the kids obviously, so he can

0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:55.239
<v Speaker 2>always steal, you know, some something. Maybe he can't steal

0:43:55.280 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 2>a toy for Lee. So he's like, what am I

0:43:57.120 --> 0:43:59.080
<v Speaker 2>going to do for her? But for her he wanted

0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:01.200
<v Speaker 2>to get something special, right, He's like, I should show

0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:04.000
<v Speaker 2>her that we're going to start a life together. He's like, okay,

0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:05.960
<v Speaker 2>I need to rob the toys, r ust, I need

0:44:06.000 --> 0:44:09.560
<v Speaker 2>to get serious. So December twenty sixth, the day after

0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:14.160
<v Speaker 2>Christmas aka Boxing Day in Canada, roof Man it's time

0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:16.840
<v Speaker 2>to bring back the skills. Oh man, He decides the

0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:18.360
<v Speaker 2>time to rob the toys or ust. But he's not

0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:21.080
<v Speaker 2>coming through the roof. He's coming through the walls. So

0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:23.520
<v Speaker 2>he knew holiday shopping it's done. Now. It's the twenty

0:44:23.560 --> 0:44:26.080
<v Speaker 2>six right, the store should be flush with cash, the

0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:28.879
<v Speaker 2>most it'll have the entire year. And it's not yet

0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:30.120
<v Speaker 2>deposited in the bank.

0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:32.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because banks close on the twenty fifth.

0:44:32.600 --> 0:44:35.720
<v Speaker 2>So he walks right through the wall into the giant

0:44:35.760 --> 0:44:39.319
<v Speaker 2>toy store. He's got a gun in one hand, and

0:44:39.320 --> 0:44:41.759
<v Speaker 2>then he'd stolen from a pawn shop. He tells the

0:44:41.800 --> 0:44:43.120
<v Speaker 2>stunned employee.

0:44:42.880 --> 0:44:45.000
<v Speaker 3>He's steal a gun from a pawnshop.

0:44:44.840 --> 0:44:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Through the roof. Oh yeah, that's just my shot.

0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:51.160
<v Speaker 3>That's just like I imagine him standing at the counter,

0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:51.920
<v Speaker 3>all yeah.

0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:53.439
<v Speaker 2>I don't think the place was open.

0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:53.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't think.

0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:56.520
<v Speaker 2>So he walks in. He's got his pawn shop gun,

0:44:56.600 --> 0:44:59.359
<v Speaker 2>he's got his like mask on. He's like roofman, back

0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:03.520
<v Speaker 2>baby back in the game, don't Carolina. So he tells

0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:05.520
<v Speaker 2>the stunted employees that he's there to rob the store.

0:45:05.800 --> 0:45:07.680
<v Speaker 3>Take your shirt off, spin it around.

0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Your head like a helicopter, Raise up now he was

0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:12.239
<v Speaker 2>very kind and thoughtful, as always right, and he tells

0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:13.520
<v Speaker 2>him like, I'm just here to grab the cash. I

0:45:13.560 --> 0:45:15.960
<v Speaker 2>don't want to hurt anybody. Pair of employees, they're like

0:45:16.000 --> 0:45:17.560
<v Speaker 2>this North Carolina. I don't believe you. They run for

0:45:17.600 --> 0:45:19.759
<v Speaker 2>the door. So they managed to escape and they go

0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:20.480
<v Speaker 2>and they call the.

0:45:20.440 --> 0:45:22.360
<v Speaker 3>Cops like a beautiful man is robbing.

0:45:23.400 --> 0:45:26.080
<v Speaker 2>So the police they show up. They're quick on the scene.

0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:28.759
<v Speaker 2>Roofman has not had time to leave. He hears the

0:45:28.760 --> 0:45:32.680
<v Speaker 2>police arrive, He's able to flee without getting caught. However,

0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:35.839
<v Speaker 2>he now no longer has a home. He has the

0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:38.000
<v Speaker 2>cash to take his girlfriend out because he stole that,

0:45:38.560 --> 0:45:41.200
<v Speaker 2>but he has no home. What's next for the roofman?

0:45:41.320 --> 0:45:44.560
<v Speaker 2>Does he say we should get married and move to Mexico. Well,

0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:46.920
<v Speaker 2>when the police arrived to investigate the toys, r us

0:45:47.000 --> 0:45:50.560
<v Speaker 2>burglary police dogs get called in. The dog sniff and

0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:52.640
<v Speaker 2>sniff and doesn't take them long to find something because

0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:54.799
<v Speaker 2>he's stinky at this point. But anyway, he'd left a

0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:57.319
<v Speaker 2>cash of toys that the roofman had secreted away in

0:45:57.320 --> 0:46:00.200
<v Speaker 2>the ceiling tiles. Oh how the dogs sniff that, I

0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:03.160
<v Speaker 2>do not know, but they're onto something. Now the Charlotte

0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:05.759
<v Speaker 2>Mecklenberg cops, they continue to investigate. They remembered there was

0:46:05.760 --> 0:46:08.000
<v Speaker 2>a report of how they responded to a burglar alarm,

0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:11.760
<v Speaker 2>and the cops had previously investigated the abandoned Circuit City.

0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:13.919
<v Speaker 2>One cop even tested like a piece of loose dry

0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:16.000
<v Speaker 2>wall while they were searching. They had never discovered the

0:46:16.040 --> 0:46:19.520
<v Speaker 2>roofman's hidden apartment. So now they return they investigate again.

0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:21.960
<v Speaker 2>They go looking around in the Circuit City, this time Elizabeth.

0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:23.440
<v Speaker 2>They also found nothing.

0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:25.520
<v Speaker 3>They didn't find the apartment.

0:46:25.960 --> 0:46:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Later on, one cop this dude named Fred Allen, which

0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:30.360
<v Speaker 2>to me is like the old radio comedian. I'm like,

0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:33.440
<v Speaker 2>that's wild. Anyway, So he's patrolling the parking lot of

0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:36.000
<v Speaker 2>the Circuit City. He spies something strange and I say

0:46:36.000 --> 0:46:38.919
<v Speaker 2>something strange, like only you would have noticed this. He's

0:46:38.920 --> 0:46:41.640
<v Speaker 2>looking at the wall of the store, like the one

0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:44.759
<v Speaker 2>of the back walls, and there's lights on, right, all

0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:46.759
<v Speaker 2>these lights are lighting up the wall. But because the

0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:48.800
<v Speaker 2>power still on this in the business in the store,

0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:51.520
<v Speaker 2>one spot on the back wall is totally dark and

0:46:51.560 --> 0:46:53.360
<v Speaker 2>he's like, well, that's odd, and he goes over to

0:46:53.400 --> 0:46:55.719
<v Speaker 2>take a look at it and he sees there's like

0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:58.880
<v Speaker 2>it's been painted. There's this hidden door painted to match

0:46:58.920 --> 0:47:01.799
<v Speaker 2>the wall. He opens the door and he finds a

0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:06.120
<v Speaker 2>secret room. It's the hidden apartment of Jeffrey Manchester. He

0:47:06.239 --> 0:47:09.840
<v Speaker 2>just walks right in. Jeffrey Manchester was not there. He

0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:11.000
<v Speaker 2>happened to be out of here. I guess he was

0:47:11.080 --> 0:47:13.160
<v Speaker 2>up with Lee and the kids. Yeah, maybe it's Wednesday,

0:47:13.200 --> 0:47:16.320
<v Speaker 2>he's at Bible class. Anyway, cops get called in, they investigate,

0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:20.399
<v Speaker 2>They fingerprint everything. On one DVD. They find a fingerprint

0:47:20.760 --> 0:47:24.040
<v Speaker 2>the dvd Elizabeth, catch me if you can stop it.

0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Sear to god, that's a great detail. Like put that

0:47:26.680 --> 0:47:29.160
<v Speaker 2>in the movie, right, the house sublime? Right. Anyway, the

0:47:29.200 --> 0:47:31.960
<v Speaker 2>cops now they have their suspect. They fingerprint, they identify them,

0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:34.720
<v Speaker 2>They put out an APB. They turn to local media.

0:47:34.760 --> 0:47:37.560
<v Speaker 2>They release a mugshot of the suspect. It goes on

0:47:37.600 --> 0:47:41.200
<v Speaker 2>the nightly news the next morning. Jeffrey Manchester. He goes

0:47:41.239 --> 0:47:43.480
<v Speaker 2>back to that dentist office where he had the work done,

0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:46.919
<v Speaker 2>and you know he has gotten they got medical records inside. Yeah,

0:47:46.920 --> 0:47:49.520
<v Speaker 2>that would you know, connect him. So he burns the

0:47:49.560 --> 0:47:53.440
<v Speaker 2>place down. He burns down the dentist's office. Does go

0:47:53.480 --> 0:47:55.080
<v Speaker 2>on to Steel's records and then go and steal like

0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:58.080
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of records. He just burns the office down. Fortunately,

0:47:58.120 --> 0:47:59.880
<v Speaker 2>though that was too late for that kind of severe

0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:03.440
<v Speaker 2>drastic actions, because several churchgoers have to be watching the

0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:05.960
<v Speaker 2>news the night before. They all recognized the mug shot.

0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:08.319
<v Speaker 2>They're good church people. They call up the cops. They're like,

0:48:08.520 --> 0:48:11.960
<v Speaker 2>that's John Zorn. He goes to my church and they

0:48:12.000 --> 0:48:15.320
<v Speaker 2>tell the cops he's friendly with Lee Waynscott.

0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:17.520
<v Speaker 3>And so a lot of toys exactly real generous.

0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:20.360
<v Speaker 2>So detective goes out to speak with Lee. It was

0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:22.879
<v Speaker 2>just after New Year's at this point to January Fitch,

0:48:22.920 --> 0:48:26.040
<v Speaker 2>January sixth. The detective walks up to Lee and asked,

0:48:26.360 --> 0:48:29.080
<v Speaker 2>do you know this man? Like? How T two is that?

0:48:29.880 --> 0:48:33.000
<v Speaker 2>But the terminator too? Is not? Really what was happening, no, Elizabeth.

0:48:33.080 --> 0:48:36.279
<v Speaker 2>It was a detective holding up a photograph of Jeff Manchester.

0:48:36.760 --> 0:48:40.759
<v Speaker 2>Lee looked at the photo, then back at detective, then

0:48:40.800 --> 0:48:44.280
<v Speaker 2>back at the photo side, looked back at the detective

0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:47.680
<v Speaker 2>and said, that's John. The detective told her his name

0:48:47.760 --> 0:48:50.400
<v Speaker 2>was not John Zorn, he was Jeff Manchester and he

0:48:50.440 --> 0:48:52.839
<v Speaker 2>was an escaped convict. As far as the cops could

0:48:52.880 --> 0:48:55.320
<v Speaker 2>tell he'd been living inside of a Circuit City store

0:48:55.960 --> 0:48:58.480
<v Speaker 2>doing all his grocery shopping at the Toys r Us,

0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:01.200
<v Speaker 2>and the detective asked if she knew where John, or

0:49:01.280 --> 0:49:04.879
<v Speaker 2>rather Jeff might be. Lee said she didn't know where

0:49:04.920 --> 0:49:08.680
<v Speaker 2>he was. She wasn't protecting for him. She literally did

0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:11.480
<v Speaker 2>not know, but she told the cops he would probably

0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:14.160
<v Speaker 2>call her soon. The cops say, well, would you would

0:49:14.160 --> 0:49:15.879
<v Speaker 2>you be willing to help us contact him or maybe

0:49:15.920 --> 0:49:18.239
<v Speaker 2>set up a trap. She's like, yeah, I will help

0:49:18.239 --> 0:49:20.920
<v Speaker 2>you set up a meeting with John Zorn aka Jeff Manchester.

0:49:21.640 --> 0:49:24.080
<v Speaker 2>But also, by the way, Lee, she's shocked and sat

0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:26.279
<v Speaker 2>into her Cory. You called it right. I mean, we

0:49:26.320 --> 0:49:29.440
<v Speaker 2>got to feel sorry for She thought she met a

0:49:29.440 --> 0:49:31.359
<v Speaker 2>good guy at church. He's great with the kids, great

0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:33.080
<v Speaker 2>with the community. Turns out to be he lives in

0:49:33.120 --> 0:49:36.839
<v Speaker 2>the Toys r Us with her city, and he's he's

0:49:37.480 --> 0:49:38.080
<v Speaker 2>the roof man.

0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:44.719
<v Speaker 3>Imagine. I'm just thinking about like she's sitting in therapy. Yeah,

0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:46.319
<v Speaker 3>so it didn't work out.

0:49:46.440 --> 0:49:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you what, John Zorn does he have

0:49:48.400 --> 0:49:49.200
<v Speaker 2>any friends.

0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:51.880
<v Speaker 3>And they are welcome to club jaded. He's never going

0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:53.040
<v Speaker 3>to trust anyone again.

0:49:53.200 --> 0:49:55.160
<v Speaker 2>I can't introduce you to any of his friends because

0:49:55.200 --> 0:49:57.880
<v Speaker 2>he's not a real person. Oh my god, so she

0:49:58.040 --> 0:49:59.680
<v Speaker 2>as I said, She agrees for the cops to help

0:49:59.680 --> 0:50:02.319
<v Speaker 2>catch her boyfriend. Days later, she calls a detective and

0:50:02.360 --> 0:50:05.640
<v Speaker 2>tells him that she's invited John Zorn over for her

0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:06.920
<v Speaker 2>fortieth birthday party.

0:50:07.200 --> 0:50:08.280
<v Speaker 3>Oh, happy birthday.

0:50:08.440 --> 0:50:10.719
<v Speaker 2>She's gonna have a party. And so they're like, what

0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:13.880
<v Speaker 2>if we're the guests? So she's like, okay, So she

0:50:13.920 --> 0:50:16.840
<v Speaker 2>invites Jeff over to her party with the cops. The scene,

0:50:16.840 --> 0:50:19.000
<v Speaker 2>though it's joyous, it's festive. The cops are doing their

0:50:19.000 --> 0:50:21.560
<v Speaker 2>best to give her a happy fortieth. Secretly, Lee is

0:50:21.640 --> 0:50:24.360
<v Speaker 2>dying on the inside, right, So she's faming a smile

0:50:24.440 --> 0:50:27.279
<v Speaker 2>when John, or rather Jeff, arrives at her birthday party and.

0:50:27.360 --> 0:50:29.319
<v Speaker 3>Kind of turn it around. I would be like, this

0:50:29.360 --> 0:50:32.240
<v Speaker 3>is the greatest da because I'm gonna just nail this exactly.

0:50:32.400 --> 0:50:34.600
<v Speaker 3>I am going to ruin myself and justice. It would

0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:35.520
<v Speaker 3>be the best party.

0:50:35.640 --> 0:50:39.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, you can't spell justice without ice ice cold.

0:50:39.840 --> 0:50:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Now there's no parties, I told you, Elizabeth, just a

0:50:42.560 --> 0:50:45.000
<v Speaker 2>bunch of cops pretending they're holding solo cups or whatever.

0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:46.799
<v Speaker 2>And so her kids are out of the house because

0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:49.720
<v Speaker 2>in case there's a bad scene. So the roof man arrives.

0:50:49.760 --> 0:50:52.239
<v Speaker 2>He's got a bouquet of flowers for his girlfriend. He

0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:54.760
<v Speaker 2>strolls into Lee's place, Happy fortieth baby.

0:50:54.960 --> 0:50:55.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh god.

0:50:55.560 --> 0:51:00.320
<v Speaker 2>He finds that she's alone except for these cops. SOPs.

0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:02.919
<v Speaker 2>They swarm him. They arrest him immediately. The Charlotte Police

0:51:02.960 --> 0:51:07.360
<v Speaker 2>sergeant Catherine Scheimerife or shim Reef said, after the bus

0:51:07.400 --> 0:51:10.120
<v Speaker 2>and about the bus, the Roofmand's biggest mistake was quote

0:51:10.280 --> 0:51:12.879
<v Speaker 2>going back for the girl one last time. Oh my god,

0:51:13.160 --> 0:51:17.160
<v Speaker 2>so Elizabeth, he broke the thirty second rule from Heat, which,

0:51:17.200 --> 0:51:20.400
<v Speaker 2>by the way, is your new second favorite bank robbery movie. Okay,

0:51:20.520 --> 0:51:23.000
<v Speaker 2>so in that movie, Robert de Niro says, don't let

0:51:23.000 --> 0:51:24.960
<v Speaker 2>yourself get attached to anything you were not willing to

0:51:25.000 --> 0:51:27.600
<v Speaker 2>walk out in thirty seconds flat if you feel the

0:51:27.680 --> 0:51:30.840
<v Speaker 2>heat around the corner. Now, dude broke the heat dictate.

0:51:31.080 --> 0:51:32.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what to call this, right over the

0:51:32.400 --> 0:51:34.920
<v Speaker 2>heat dictate the thirty second rule. He broke it. Yeah,

0:51:35.000 --> 0:51:37.680
<v Speaker 2>now he gets busted. The cops let roofman phone his

0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:41.680
<v Speaker 2>girlfriendly and she says he was apologetic. They told reporters

0:51:41.719 --> 0:51:44.400
<v Speaker 2>at the time he was very sad and humbled and

0:51:44.480 --> 0:51:48.040
<v Speaker 2>felt terrible that he had to deceive us. He encouraged

0:51:48.080 --> 0:51:50.520
<v Speaker 2>me and told me to be strong and to do

0:51:50.600 --> 0:51:53.719
<v Speaker 2>the things we talked about doing. He wasn't upset and

0:51:53.800 --> 0:51:55.919
<v Speaker 2>get this, Elizabeth, she forgave him.

0:51:56.000 --> 0:51:56.560
<v Speaker 3>Are you kidding?

0:51:56.600 --> 0:52:00.040
<v Speaker 2>Good Christian Southern woman, I'm telling you right, heart filled.

0:51:59.719 --> 0:52:03.240
<v Speaker 3>With you know what? More power to her said vengeance

0:52:03.320 --> 0:52:03.960
<v Speaker 3>would be mine.

0:52:04.360 --> 0:52:07.560
<v Speaker 2>She said, I don't hate them. I'm disappointed and confused.

0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:11.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know whether to smack them or hug them. No,

0:52:11.360 --> 0:52:14.720
<v Speaker 2>I say throw out in the trash, but please custdy

0:52:14.800 --> 0:52:17.600
<v Speaker 2>Jeff Manchester. He also phoned his mother. He calls up.

0:52:17.640 --> 0:52:21.960
<v Speaker 2>He's like, Mom, I kind of lost focus direct flow, Mama,

0:52:22.000 --> 0:52:24.359
<v Speaker 2>I kind of lost focus. She added, he doesn't seem

0:52:24.400 --> 0:52:27.040
<v Speaker 2>super embarrassed about the notoriety. I know I would be.

0:52:27.480 --> 0:52:31.400
<v Speaker 2>That's my mother, that's her response. Would Yeah, he should

0:52:31.400 --> 0:52:34.640
<v Speaker 2>be embarrassed, embarrassed, me, embarrassed the family. I would have

0:52:34.719 --> 0:52:37.040
<v Speaker 2>died of embarrassment at a good nature if I was him.

0:52:37.080 --> 0:52:39.560
<v Speaker 3>You gotta just don't talk to the press.

0:52:39.640 --> 0:52:40.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

0:52:40.760 --> 0:52:40.880
<v Speaker 6>Now.

0:52:40.920 --> 0:52:43.080
<v Speaker 2>She also said her son seemed like a character out

0:52:43.120 --> 0:52:45.879
<v Speaker 2>of a movie. That's his mother, I can't imagine this

0:52:45.920 --> 0:52:48.239
<v Speaker 2>is something you would see in the movies. Yeah, Now,

0:52:48.280 --> 0:52:50.799
<v Speaker 2>we always compare our lives to the movies, which we

0:52:50.840 --> 0:52:53.120
<v Speaker 2>are losing. So what do you think we're gonna use

0:52:53.160 --> 0:52:55.239
<v Speaker 2>to make sense of our lives when movies are gone? Like,

0:52:55.680 --> 0:52:57.680
<v Speaker 2>this is like something you'd see in a video game.

0:52:58.000 --> 0:53:00.960
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't have the same pinas on the ticker, right,

0:53:01.160 --> 0:53:02.960
<v Speaker 2>this seems like something you've seen in his streaming series.

0:53:03.160 --> 0:53:06.840
<v Speaker 2>It just doesn't anyway. Back to Charlotte Police Sergeant Catherine

0:53:06.880 --> 0:53:09.960
<v Speaker 2>scheim Reef, she said, you hate to compliment the guy

0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:13.239
<v Speaker 2>because he's a dirt bag, but we can we can

0:53:13.320 --> 0:53:15.640
<v Speaker 2>learn a lot from him. So even she's a victim

0:53:15.680 --> 0:53:18.200
<v Speaker 2>to it is happening. And she's partly right because since

0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:20.960
<v Speaker 2>he was certainly worthy of a compliment from cops apparently,

0:53:21.040 --> 0:53:23.120
<v Speaker 2>but being that I'm not a cop, I'll just say it.

0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:25.640
<v Speaker 2>He was wildly good at what he did, and he

0:53:25.760 --> 0:53:28.719
<v Speaker 2>wasn't done trying. So February two thousand and nine and

0:53:28.840 --> 0:53:31.759
<v Speaker 2>October twenty seventeen he tried to escape from prison. Oh god,

0:53:31.840 --> 0:53:34.600
<v Speaker 2>yoh yeah. Now both attempts failed. At the moment, he's

0:53:34.600 --> 0:53:37.759
<v Speaker 2>still in prison. He's at Central Prison, in Raleigh, North Carolina.

0:53:37.880 --> 0:53:40.520
<v Speaker 2>And now he's scheduled for release in twenty thirty six.

0:53:41.360 --> 0:53:44.360
<v Speaker 2>Ladies take note, So at that time he will be

0:53:44.440 --> 0:53:47.160
<v Speaker 2>sixty five years old. It's kind of wild that he's

0:53:47.239 --> 0:53:49.680
<v Speaker 2>living in a North Carolina prison as opposed to California,

0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:51.480
<v Speaker 2>because he was sent there for a short deployment. He

0:53:51.520 --> 0:53:53.680
<v Speaker 2>gets busted, gets caught, and he spent half of his

0:53:53.719 --> 0:53:56.439
<v Speaker 2>life in a North Carolina prison. Yeah. Anyway, and oh,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, we can now look forward to a

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<v Speaker 2>movie about his exploit because Channing Tatum has signed on

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<v Speaker 2>to star in the film of his story. The title

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<v Speaker 2>roof Man, Magic Roofman, Roofman.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good Where did they get that time?

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<v Speaker 2>I know? Fun Fact Toys r Us went bankrupt in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen. Fun Right. All the stores closed. It was

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<v Speaker 2>the end of an era that was I hated it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was the result of greedy, unscrupulous investors who

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<v Speaker 2>loaded the company up with debt and then tanked its

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<v Speaker 2>future and then sold off the parts for profit. Now

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<v Speaker 2>they basically loaded the store the stores because they all closed,

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<v Speaker 2>yet none of them will go to prison. Instead, they're

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<v Speaker 2>celebrated as smart, rational economic actors. Right, taking advantage of

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<v Speaker 2>market dynamics or whatever. Yeah, personally, I prefer my thieves

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<v Speaker 2>like Jeffrey Manchester.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I say.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. I bet Lee Waynscott would have a different opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm just saying as an outsider, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, in terms of like maybe a person here there

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<v Speaker 3>lost their job because of Roofman. Sure, yeah, but like

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<v Speaker 3>that it was venture capitalists, Pretrick.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally. I believe it was capital I believe.

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<v Speaker 3>Was Romney wiped everybody out. Yes, it's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>All the stories. Everyone loves their job, but none of

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<v Speaker 2>them that's not like a bad thing. This guy going

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<v Speaker 2>in and stealing some baby food.

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<v Speaker 3>Clever anyway, I prefer him, I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's a ridiculous takeaway or Elizabeth?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, my ridiculous takeaway is there's no need for brand loyalty?

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<v Speaker 3>I like, what about you?

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<v Speaker 2>Look at you. My ridiculous takeaway is is this a mashup?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, there you go, so pritzy you got a talkback

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<v Speaker 2>for us? Sure do you? Oh my god?

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<v Speaker 3>I went.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey, Elizabeth and Zarin. One of the things I wanted

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<v Speaker 6>to ask about was if you knew about this skit

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<v Speaker 6>from Sentient live That was done back in the eighties

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<v Speaker 6>and it ties in with all the episodes to end

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<v Speaker 6>up with the cons writing books. So if you go

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<v Speaker 6>to YouTube and search for Pros and cons SNL and

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<v Speaker 6>that's p R O s E, you will see a

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<v Speaker 6>short film supposedly written by Norman Mailer about the next

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<v Speaker 6>great wave of Piliser winning writers and poets coming from

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<v Speaker 6>the American prison system. Anyway, I love the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, my god, I love this.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I'm gonna stop this show right now to go. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>can you just stop it? Hand me my phone? Well,

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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