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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Dunton. I got a question for you, sir. Do

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Speaker 2: you know what's ridiculous? What I do?

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Speaker 3: Beyonce? No, they're all going to come and get me.

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Speaker 2: I'm coming out to get.

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Speaker 3: Let me finish my thought. So Beyonce, I don't know

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Speaker 3: if you heard. She had an album called Renaissance that

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Speaker 3: came out of this, and then she had another album

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Speaker 3: called Cowboy Carter and on both of them, apparently the

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Speaker 3: cover has the picture of a horse. Yeah, and so

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Speaker 3: do you know, Oh my god, anyway, do you know

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Speaker 3: the name of the horse on the Renaissance album? Steve Well,

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Speaker 3: the fans the high they were calling it rene Renaissance

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Speaker 3: and then ny I g h okay. Well, so anyway,

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Speaker 3: Justina Omakua, who is the senior vice president at Parkwood Entertainment,

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Speaker 3: Beyonce's production and management company, clarified, No, no, no, no, the

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Speaker 3: horse is named shardonay with any like at the end. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's it's a it's a tragedy. So Shardona is the

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Speaker 3: name of the buttery shard And that's ridiculous. But wait

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Speaker 3: there's more. Oh no, yeah, so people hear about this, like, oh,

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Speaker 3: that's cute. Like no, but I do have to tell you,

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Speaker 3: Bold refined Horsey. Now you can blame. You can blame

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Speaker 3: Michelle Zibadiba on Instagram and k Law on Instagram. They're

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Speaker 3: the ones, the first two through the gate who told

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Speaker 3: us about this. All right, Bold refined Horsey. What am

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Speaker 3: I talking about? Yes, I am talking about the fact

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Speaker 3: that Arby's released uh Horsey sauce, which apparently that's their life.

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Speaker 2: I heard people reference these people. They're going on my list.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, put them on there with like Cheetos and all them.

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Speaker 3: They have released a Horsey sauce that's infused with Shardonnay

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Speaker 3: wine and it's called Chardonnaise with the any Igh Horsey Sauce.

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Speaker 3: And it's in this like frosted glass wine bottle, sixteen

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Speaker 3: dollars a bottle. It has. The package has a silhouette

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Speaker 3: of quote, a majestic horse in mid.

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Speaker 2: Gallop for a mayonnaise sauce.

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Speaker 3: I suppose, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Its right. I'm assuming that's.

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Speaker 3: A no because they got the idea from.

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Speaker 2: From the I know, but I'm assuming it's a mayonnaise

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Speaker 2: space sauce.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I've never had Horsey sauce. What is it? Is it

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Speaker 3: like donkey sauce? Whatever? I've never been to an Arby

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Speaker 3: can I can? I admit that.

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Speaker 2: Which could beat each other in a fight. Horsey sauce

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Speaker 2: or donkey sauce. Donkey I'm saying donkey sauce.

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Speaker 3: Every time, especially if Guy Fieri did a mashup between

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Speaker 3: donkey sauce and he brought in Sammy Hagar's Cabo Wabbo tequila.

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Speaker 3: Like anyway, So if you want some chardonnayse Arby's horse

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Speaker 3: Horsey sauce, which, oh, there's just a lot for me

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Speaker 3: to talk about, you have to go to the Arby's

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Speaker 3: website and sign up for their Arby's Club. I didn't

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Speaker 3: I was going to sign you up for Club Arby's,

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Speaker 3: but I didn't know. I didn't do it. I didn't

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Speaker 3: do it. It's oh, it's a signature horse Radish sauce with a.

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Speaker 2: It's a roast beef place, the.

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Speaker 3: Beef people, of course. Okay, anyway, so this has gone

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Speaker 3: on way too long.

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Speaker 2: You know about them, right? They have the meats.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what they tell me. If I were to

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Speaker 3: watch TV and.

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Speaker 2: I assume they also have the meat sweats.

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Speaker 3: Of course they do. Of course they.

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Speaker 2: That's daring, ridiculous. I know you know else is ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Tell me how about a guy who makes corporate practices

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Speaker 2: the basis for his outlandish crimes. Yeah, Elizabeth, this cat

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Speaker 2: he's a break in artist with a McDonald's problem.

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Speaker 3: Oh mashup.

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Speaker 2: No, this is ridiculous crime. A podcast about absurd and

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Speaker 2: outrageous capers, ice and cons. It's always ninety nine percent

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Speaker 2: murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous. Cheers, Elizabeth Jarh

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Speaker 2: November nineteen ninety eight.

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Speaker 3: I remember it.

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Speaker 2: You do? You remember en times we had in November

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight. It's so good.

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Speaker 3: Keep going.

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Speaker 2: Let me take you back the song do Wop That Thing?

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Speaker 2: By Lauren Hill? Yeah, number one on the Billboard charts. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you loved that song, sure, Aaron, Lauren Hill. Sure you

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Speaker 2: even wore your hair like hers and sister Act too Appropriation, which,

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Speaker 2: by the way, came out in nineteen ninety three, which

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Speaker 2: is just two years after your new favorite bank ribery film,

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Speaker 2: Point Break. Yes, did you know Point Break came out

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Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety one?

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Speaker 3: You're kidding me, sort of? I had no idea, right,

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Speaker 3: and I've never heard that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll remember it later anyway. Also on the radio,

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Speaker 2: back in nineteen ninety eight, your man was holding it

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Speaker 2: down in the number forty spot on the Billboard chart. Man,

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Speaker 2: he's new to the charts. It's his first time in

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Speaker 2: such rarefied air. This was his first hit off of

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Speaker 2: his third album, but it won't be his last. In

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Speaker 2: ninety eight, it's his first big hit song. It's called

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Speaker 2: hard knock life ghetto anthem. That's right at your man.

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Speaker 3: Jay Z horse face as you call it.

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Speaker 2: He's got a long nogging. What was going on at

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Speaker 2: the Cineplex Elizabeth in November of nineteen ninety eight.

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Speaker 3: November ninety eight, Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, if jay Z has horse face,

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Speaker 2: and so does Troy Aikman, So really I'm shooting a

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Speaker 2: lot over here. I'm wide shots anyway, November ninety eight

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Speaker 2: at the Cineplex. You remember movies, right, That's where the

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Speaker 2: group it was a group activity, was it.

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Speaker 3: People?

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Speaker 2: They would go and they would sit in a darkened

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Speaker 2: room and they would stare at a blank screen. In

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Speaker 2: every twenty fourth of a second, a new image would

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Speaker 2: be projected onto the screen. Right, It was amazing. It's

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Speaker 2: this steady stream of images would be creating the simulation

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Speaker 2: of movement paired with sound. It was a very evocative

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Speaker 2: art form. Sadly it's been forgotten to history. Kids today

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Speaker 2: they see pictures of movie theaters from the nineties and

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Speaker 2: they will often mistake them for some sort of like

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Speaker 2: an ancient ritual space, like it was a cult. Perhaps, yeah,

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Speaker 2: a church dedicated to snacks and cold drinks. Anyway, back

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Speaker 2: in November of nineteen ninety eight at the box office,

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Speaker 2: can you guess what the number one movie was?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 2: The water Boy?

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Speaker 3: Oh goodness, it was such a bleak time nineties.

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Speaker 2: Harder question. What was the third highest grossing film of

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Speaker 2: November nineteen ninety eight?

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Speaker 3: Was it another Adam sit where They're too?

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Speaker 2: No, but it was a movie that was part of

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Speaker 2: what you Love, which is two movies that come out

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Speaker 3: Which one is an asteroid movie.

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Speaker 2: No, good guess though it was? It was an insect movie.

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Speaker 3: That's my Oh, bugs and ants?

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Speaker 2: Yes, which one a bugs? Life did better?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay. Last question of our cinema ninety eight pop quiz,

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Speaker 2: Keep going Elizabeth for the Grand Prize. I love pennies.

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Speaker 2: Can you correctly name the number four highest grossing film

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Speaker 2: of November nineteen ninety eight.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so we've got water Boy and Bugs.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'll throw in here just to help you.

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Speaker 3: Oscar Bait.

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Speaker 2: Number two was the Rugrats movie. Just, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: throw that rounded?

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Speaker 3: Was it a film for grown up?

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Speaker 2: This was the first film for grown ups on our list.

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Speaker 3: Okay, tell me who was in it? Tell me one

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Speaker 3: person who is oh man?

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Speaker 2: Okay, one person. I'm going to start from the bottom

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Speaker 2: of the list. This film had an amazing cast, right,

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Speaker 2: and I'm just gonna listen to some people I liked

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Speaker 2: at the bottom of the Lisa Bonnet, Regina King, Jack Black,

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Speaker 2: Jason Lee, the pro skater thing, Yes, skater, Jake Busey,

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Speaker 2: son of the Busy, Scott Cohn, son of the con

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Speaker 2: So we got two sons of it's so rich with

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Speaker 2: nineties goodness. Do you want the top guys? You'll immediately

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Speaker 2: know the film if I say tell you the top

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Speaker 2: guys Will Smith and Gene Hackman.

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Speaker 3: Oh what's it called?

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Speaker 2: I love this film. I'll give you a hint.

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Speaker 3: So's it's on the tip of my tongue.

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Speaker 2: Will Smith. At one point in the trailer he asked

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Speaker 2: Gene Hackman, what the hell is happening, and then Gene

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Speaker 2: Hackman says, I blow up the building, and Will Smith

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Speaker 2: is like why, and then Gene Hackman shouts back, because

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Speaker 2: you made a phone call. I jumped out of my seat. Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: give me the name Enemy of the State.

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Speaker 3: That's right, Lisa bonet me.

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Speaker 2: That was the college girlfriend for Will Smith. Gena King

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Speaker 2: was the White anyway, Elizabeth and a movie that launched

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Speaker 2: later a blank one eighty two album with a similar name.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's Right of the State.

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Speaker 3: Boom, Yeah, there it is. Wow, it's all coming together,

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Speaker 3: you guys.

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Speaker 2: Nineties action films they hold so much. If Jerry Bruckheimer

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Speaker 2: produced it, I'm gonna watch it, right, I mean, come on, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: Amy the State, right, I mean Enemy? This date is

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Speaker 2: great because it's this paranoid action thriller about how the

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Speaker 2: NSA is watching everything. It's like this post Watergate paranoid

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Speaker 2: the Parallax few with the Warren Baby, right but now,

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Speaker 2: paranoid thrillers. I think the point is that they're like

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Speaker 2: But anyway, if Tony Scott made it, I'm gonna watch

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Speaker 2: that one. Took True Romance, not a paranoid thriller. But

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Speaker 2: I love that Tony Scott film. Interesting anyway, it's another movie.

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Speaker 2: I love them, just laying out movies I love.

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Speaker 3: But besides, that's what today's show is about. Movies we love.

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Speaker 2: November of nineteen ninety eight, jay Zy Hard Knock Life

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Speaker 2: Gene Hackman, An Enemy of the State. That was November ninetea, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: you remember it well, right, anyway, that's same November. That's

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Speaker 2: the time when today's perp first started getting busy. I

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Speaker 2: want you to be able to know the context in

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Speaker 2: which he was.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's actually very important.

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Speaker 2: I think it helps sometimes in this case it does matter.

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Speaker 2: So today, Elizabeth, I want to tell you the story

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Speaker 2: of the Roofman, Jeffrey Manchester.

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Speaker 3: The Roofman. What were we talking about yesterday? Oh, rack Man.

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Speaker 3: There was like some business where they sell racks. It

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Speaker 3: looks like, yeah, saying it sounds like it sounds like

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Speaker 3: something that in like a hip hop song would be

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Speaker 3: the name of like a like a guy who sells

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Speaker 3: drugs on the corner to see the rack man, Like

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Speaker 3: I'm too old to know that. Yeah, and so Roofman

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Speaker 3: also sounds like that, like there's gonna be a whole

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Speaker 3: thing like forty talking about Roofman. I'm like, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, You're like I thought I brought my jeep there

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Speaker 2: and got a new roof rat.

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Speaker 3: And then I'm like trying to act cool, like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I got this from the roofman.

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Speaker 2: Okay, lady, lady, it's not a local advertising thing.

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Speaker 3: Like but jay Z told me say it.

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Speaker 2: Well, we were recommended this story by a few rude dudes.

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Speaker 3: Oh really Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Most recently Brandy This, a comic from Minneapolis, Minnesota. She

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Speaker 2: suggested we do this one, and I just happened to

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Speaker 2: be reading up on him when she tweeted me about

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Speaker 2: this synchronous So I bump the Roofman right to the

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Speaker 2: I think of serendipity. It's happening. It's an idiot.

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Speaker 3: It's all connected.

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Speaker 2: Government named for this cat. Jeffrey Allen, Manchester, Jeffrey, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: which makes him my second favorite. Jeffrey Allen. I've covered

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Allen. Yes, Jeffrey Allen. Lash look him up anyway,

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Speaker 2: this guy norcow guy.

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Speaker 3: Elizabeth's jamming the Bay jam. So.

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Speaker 2: He was born in Sacramento in seventy one.

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Speaker 3: Good for him.

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Speaker 2: You went to Rancho Cordova.

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Speaker 3: High, Okay, second a kid, yeah right, you know.

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Speaker 2: Your man Hurtcane. He graduated, went on to enlist in

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Speaker 3: Thank you for your service.

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Speaker 2: Do you know about the airborne. That's the paratroope.

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Speaker 2: They jump out of the planeanes thick, easy company and

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Speaker 2: band of brothers. Right. They parachute behind enemy lines with

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Speaker 3: They just parachute and then they don't do anything. That's

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Speaker 2: That's it. The scarecrow. Now stand there. So paratrooper eighty

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Speaker 2: second Airborne jeff Manchester. He is trained in the military

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Speaker 2: arts of his particular task. And his task. He gets

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Speaker 2: really good at a repelling, so he's good with ropes,

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Speaker 3: Oh, I say I could do that.

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Speaker 2: I know you can do that. But he gave it

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Speaker 2: No bruises like livers, none of that. No skilled camouflage

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Speaker 3: Like it's like the back of a g I Joe totally.

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Speaker 3: So tell you more about this cat so code name so.

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Speaker 2: Like many who listen in the military, Jeff man Manchester,

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Speaker 2: he got married young, right he was twenty?

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Speaker 3: Did he have a dodge charger dodge magnet so.

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Speaker 2: By nineteen ninety nine, though, Jeff Manchester and his young family,

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Speaker 2: they were living in Conquered, California, Conquered just over the

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Speaker 2: Jeff Manchester's wife said, Hey, I want a divorce. Oh

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Speaker 3: That's sad.

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Speaker 2: Not really, it was good for her because the couple,

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Speaker 2: the couple had a fight. I don't know exactly what happened,

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Speaker 2: but you know, perhaps she discovered her husband's big secret

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Speaker 2: that he was an accomplished break in artist to spend

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Speaker 2: she's just like, I'm tired of your snoring. I don't

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Speaker 3: So either way, she signed on for life.

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Speaker 2: You know, got I feel you on that. But when

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Speaker 2: you're married to Rufman, that's a different question. So, by

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh really, yes.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth, I'm gonna tell you that story. So Jeff Manchester

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Speaker 2: he earned his norm du crime for his work as

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Speaker 2: did not do that. It was his habit of breaking

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Speaker 2: Starting back in November of nineteen ninety eight, a year

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Speaker 2: before he got divorced, he began a crime spreed that

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Speaker 2: stretched across the country. We're talking. He robbed spots in California, Nevada, Oregon, Massachusetts, Maryland,

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Speaker 2: North Carolina, Virginia, Minnesota right now. In California, he broke

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Speaker 2: into McDonald's restaurants in towns you know, places you've been to,

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Speaker 2: San Luis, Obispo, Sam Pedro down South up here. He

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Speaker 2: hit spots like Emeryville, Dublin, Pleasanton, Pleasant Hill, from Roseville

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Speaker 3: County Whereville McDonald's is.

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Speaker 2: I think you do too. So based on eyewitness accounts

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Speaker 2: They're like, be on the lookout for this guy who's

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Speaker 2: probably between eighteen and thirty years old. He was sought

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Speaker 2: that's a hell of a ring exactly. He looked like

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Speaker 2: Hamill and Robin Williams and like Willem Dafoe, they're all

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Speaker 2: So if you're looking for a guy somewhere between Robin

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Speaker 3: And you don't have your glasses on, and he's like

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Speaker 3: moving around and bend and you.

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Speaker 2: May not know, possibly moving quick. Who knows? So this

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Speaker 2: cat roof man. The cops also pointed out a couple

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Speaker 2: other things. They said he had a prominent Adam's Apple.

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Speaker 3: Wait, now hold on, you can you can't tell if

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Speaker 3: he's a little in but.

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Speaker 2: People have noticed this. Yeah, it must be really pro

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Speaker 2: it's even it's even better Elizabeth. Also apparently he had

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Speaker 2: a pair of noticeably fold lips.

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Speaker 3: What did he look like? Well, he had pillowy.

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Speaker 2: Lips, an apple, cozy bosom, and I quote he also

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Speaker 2: had extremely athletic build. It sounds like the copa roof

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like their dating profile. He has to be

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Speaker 2: Mike van Winkle from the California Department of Justice. He

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Speaker 3: You carry a briefcase, but many.

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Speaker 2: Of those he robbed have been struck by What a

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Speaker 2: nice decent guy. He seems to be a real gentleman.

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Speaker 2: I really hope that the cost. I hope that they

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Speaker 3: They have a future.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, who knows, but I can see why

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Speaker 2: they love him. He's good. Right, As Van Winkle said,

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Speaker 2: it's human nature that when you find something that works,

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Speaker 2: you continue to do it. And he also added, and

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Speaker 2: I quote he knows that unlike banks, where you often

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Speaker 2: not the case with fast food places. Like he's a

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Speaker 5: This guy his intellect if he's reinventing robbing seven months

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Speaker 5: free Jeff Manchester, he burgled forty restaurants, pulling a total

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Speaker 5: of one hundred grand.

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Speaker 2: Right, but as good as the cops made him out

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Speaker 2: to be, Rufman did occasionally run into troubles. Like his

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Speaker 2: You get up there and repel up or whatever. Then

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Speaker 2: he'd chop into the roof and then he'd drill a hole.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes he couldn't get in so right later on cops

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Speaker 2: so he'd get there he'd drill his hole. So when

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Speaker 3: There was another place he was going in when it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he would go in late at night to rob them.

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Speaker 2: So basically right at the end of the.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well the employees were still in the right time.

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Speaker 3: You can't repel up, right, you can only repel down.

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Speaker 2: You basically repelled down. Yeah, but I mean like you

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Speaker 3: Can climb on when you go up climbing, something.

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Speaker 2: Telling you mountain climbing. That's why it's called climbing high.

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Speaker 2: So other times he would cut a hole in the

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Speaker 2: inside and he spots the cops. So what did he do?

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Speaker 2: He jumps out of like I don't know, I imagine the

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Speaker 2: The local cops they give chase, right, but they haven't

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Speaker 2: So yeah, right, So the roof man when he makes

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Speaker 3: Have you seen the caves?

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Speaker 2: If he wore short shorts, I'm telling you, I had

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Speaker 2: They're like, I get paid enough for that, right, he

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Speaker 2: this is the nineties, right, So the weak spot in

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Speaker 2: the American capitalism in the late nineties were all the

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, like I'm not going to be a hero.

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Speaker 2: No, totally. The roofman he droves a two foot by

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Speaker 2: usually McDonald's. The employees would be like almost closing. They're

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Speaker 2: automatic weapon. He's demanding the day's receipts. They're like, oh, sure,

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Speaker 2: here you go. Here's all thirteen hundred dollars. Man, would

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Speaker 3: That's dangerous.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, totally. But he would always then call the

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, totally right. Detective from Lodi, California, who investigated

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Speaker 2: robbery your spot right, he described the Roofman's mo as saying,

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Speaker 2: In fact, he was memorable for his kindness as consideration.

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Speaker 2: One McDonald's manager remembered that end I quote. He was

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Speaker 2: really polite. He was apologizing. He said, would you please,

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Speaker 2: ma'am get on the floor, Would you please, ma'am, just

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Speaker 2: you know, pleasant he asked employees, He robbed, can you

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Speaker 2: please get in the freezer?

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Speaker 3: The Sacramento be right, your beautiful mouth says it. I'll

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Speaker 2: Those pillowy lips tell me what to do. So the

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Speaker 2: Sacramento b newspaper they wrote about Roofman, how he enjoyed

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Speaker 2: quote a coast to coast reputation. Is the most courteous

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Speaker 2: The guy's a sweetheart, right. But now obviously he would

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Speaker 2: to let off a few from the semiauto to get respect.

433
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 2: But he put him into like the floor of those ceiling,

434
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 2: not at people, you know. Other times he one time

435
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 2: he shot out a glass door to make his escape,

436
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,640
Speaker 2: which is just dramatic. That's fun. Anyway, Clovis police lieutenant,

437
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 2: they once noted that for a guy holding a gun,

438
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 2: he was pretty mellow. He wasn't excited in the least,

439
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 2: all right, So even the cops, they love him everywhere

440
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 2: he goes. Now, now, now that we've gotten to know

441
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,400
Speaker 2: the roof man, let's take a little break, a little

442
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 2: and after this, I'll tell you why he focused on McDonald's.

443
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 2: But also there's so so much more, like just wait

444
00:21:42,640 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 2: till we get to toys r us Oh and Rebecca

445
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Hi, I know, Hi? So why McDonald's why not?

446
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,439
Speaker 2: What did the roof man have against the red wigged

447
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 2: clown and his fast food spot?

448
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 3: I don't know. He wanted to be a hamburglar?

449
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 2: Why did Yeah? Why did he want to be the

450
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 2: real world hamburglar? When McDonald's became aware of this burglar

451
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 2: who kept targeting their franchisees, yeah, they were pretty proud

452
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 2: of his brand loyalty.

453
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 3: Oh really, Yeah.

454
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 2: There was an official who was not named in the

455
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 2: stories I found, but he said, and I quote, he

456
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 2: likes us. He's very brand loyal, a loyal customer, and

457
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 2: we work hard to build that loyalty.

458
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 3: And he was unnamed. Yeah, oh, my god, you know that,

459
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 3: like the higher ups are reading this to me, like,

460
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,159
Speaker 3: oh my god, would you come on, You've got to

461
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 3: figure out who that.

462
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 2: Was that guy from Clovis. So, Elizabeth, if you were

463
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 2: the roof woman, yeah, what would be what would be

464
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 2: your McDonald's? What store would you constantly break into? Burgle

465
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 2: Like here, I'll give you time to think. As an example,

466
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 2: I go with the store that sells kettle corn, just

467
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: all sorts of varieties my house. I know what do

468
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 2: you think? I got the idea there's a cattle store dedicated.

469
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 2: I'm coming through the roof. Just get back in. I'm

470
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 2: like walking out. I got all the kettle corn for day.

471
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 3: You know what I would do?

472
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 2: What you do?

473
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 3: Like the mattress firm. First of all, you drop through,

474
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 3: you land on a mattress.

475
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 2: Hello, I like this thinking, and you know, just.

476
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,719
Speaker 3: Find me a good pillowtop o man. And then you know,

477
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 3: we have all these theories that those are money laundering.

478
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,360
Speaker 3: So I'm going to imagine serious cash in there.

479
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,239
Speaker 2: And if you get the right day that they're doing

480
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 2: the deliveries for the.

481
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 3: Washing yep, I'm the mattress mama.

482
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 2: What did you do yourself? I'm not even going to

483
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 2: take that cheap shot that I could. I'm gonna I'm

484
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 2: looking at me being a gentleman, Elizabeth. Moving on, the

485
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 2: real reason why Jeff Manchester McDonald's was not his love

486
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 2: of big Maxim broken shake machines. Now, the truth was

487
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 2: far more mundane than that, you see, Elizabeth. He worked

488
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 2: there as a teen. It was the nineties. Everybody works

489
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,360
Speaker 2: as a team, So he knew McDonald's. He knew the schedule,

490
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 2: he knew a manager would likely leave early and let

491
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 2: a teen assistant manager close up. He knew that. Yeah,

492
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: he knew their restaurants, right, He knew their whole routine,

493
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: so it didn't matter if it was fulsome California, Devil's Triangle,

494
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 2: North Carolina. He knew the layout before he walked in.

495
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 2: Sometimes they were so cookie cutter. I mean, he knew

496
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 2: where the back office would be from the rooftop, all right.

497
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 3: So he's just whipping up a couple quarter pounders while

498
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 3: he's waiting.

499
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: He just got to go and cook and like, right,

500
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 2: go get the cash. I'm gonna flip these burdens. So

501
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 2: he was like, you know, basically robbing the same restaurant

502
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 2: over and over and over again, and for a military man,

503
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 2: it's this is ideal. He had the same mission every

504
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: time and he could just perfect it. He's just dialing

505
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 2: it in. So, but I'll be honest, he wasn't exclusive

506
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 2: to MCD, despite what the fast food giant would tell you.

507
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 2: His brand loyalty also extended to I mean extended far.

508
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 2: He would even be He would rob a burger king

509
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 2: in the Burger Wars. He was on both sides of

510
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 2: the battlefield.

511
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 3: No, he'sire it is so.

512
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 2: He would also burgle other spots, other restaurants, places that

513
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: weren't restaurants, grocery stores, Blockbuster video, maybe a home base

514
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 2: or a toys r us. More on that later. So

515
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 2: the deal is the roofman is mostly driving around our

516
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: old stomping grounds into our cow drilling holes into roofs McDonald's,

517
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 2: dropping in on unsuspecting teens working the night shift on

518
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 2: a Tuesday, on a school night, and he shepherd them

519
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 2: into the walk in fridge, sweet talk them a little,

520
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 2: then rob the place blind and walk out.

521
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 3: Did he leave?

522
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 2: He usually just walk right out here? Why climb back

523
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: up the hole? He never got caught, his glorious hole.

524
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 2: He never got caught Elizabeth. One investigator believed he was

525
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 2: so good. They thought, this cat will never get caught.

526
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 2: There's no chance for us.

527
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 3: He's just so good, he's so beautiful.

528
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 2: And why because the roofman was quote extremely fast, strong,

529
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: and has kept his cool when cornered. Now nothing good

530
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 2: can last forever. Oh my god, you can just Yeah,

531
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: I'm like steam and Jean's over here, officer. So what's

532
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: next for Rufman? Obviously he must have gotten caught if

533
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 2: he's on this show, so he indeed get caught. I'll

534
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 2: just skip to the end on that. But in May

535
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 2: two thousand, Jeff Manchester he was sent east. Right, he

536
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,959
Speaker 2: was stationed in North Carolina, which is what ended his

537
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 2: North cal crime spree because now he's slipped in a

538
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: whole different states. And also it ended his crime spree

539
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 2: in general because though he goes out one night.

540
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 3: At this point, did he find the Lord?

541
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 2: Well, he was in the four hundred and eighty first

542
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: Transportation Company, Right, he gets sent out to North Carolina

543
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 2: for an annual training exercise. He's like still in the service,

544
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 2: right was he?

545
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 3: Where was he sent? I don't know where. They air

546
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 3: army in Gastonia. Oh I know where that is right.

547
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, So May twentieth, he drops into McDonald's in Gastonia,

548
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 2: but it was closed. Oops. He didn't do enough survice

549
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: on he was just like, I guess working out a jag.

550
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: He's like, I just got here. I gotta go steal something.

551
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 3: It's like if you go to in fayette Fille, North Carolina,

552
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 3: if you're driving up, I think that's Marines. Though they

553
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 3: have like.

554
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: There's a ton of base.

555
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 3: The people, all the parachuters like to see them, like

556
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 3: littering the sky, these little boys.

557
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 2: You look across the horizon.

558
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 3: It's so creepy. It's strange. But so I wonder if

559
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 3: he was sent to fat Mom.

560
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 2: Yeah that's what they called me. Yeah, I don't I

561
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 2: don't know where exactly, but uh, I just know this

562
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 2: Elizabeth And as far as the crime goes, that same

563
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 2: night he decided, you know what, I got my jag.

564
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 2: I just didn't do it for me. So he went.

565
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: He drove ten miles down the road to a town

566
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 2: called Belmont, and he had a second McDonald's. Okay, he'd

567
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: waited so long. It was five hours later now, right,

568
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: so the McDonald's it was closed, but he thought he'd

569
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 2: wait for the morning rush and be like, open up

570
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 2: and give me the receipts from last night, right, some

571
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: employees they come in. He surprises them. He robs the place.

572
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 2: He ushered them into the walk in fridge. But apparently

573
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 2: this wasn't like a nighttime teenager assistant manager. This guy

574
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 2: was on it right. He breaks them out of the

575
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 2: walk in fridge, He escapes, calls the cops. Police arrive

576
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: in time that Manchester is still inside the McDonald's, but

577
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: he spots the cops. He makes a run for it

578
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 2: once again. I'm imagining him jumping out of the drive

579
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: through a window. And of course why not, you know,

580
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: Bellemont cops they give chase, and unlike the California cops,

581
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 2: you chase these guys. They're relentless. Oh yeah, oh yeah.

582
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 2: They chase Rufman into the woods, into the brush, over

583
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 2: a hill and dale. He gets basically located in like

584
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 2: a bunch of tall grass. He gets tired of running.

585
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: He just lays low. Doesn't work. When he gets caught.

586
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 2: He doesn't get into a shootout, he doesn't swing on

587
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: the cops. Instead, he just looks up at the arresting

588
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: officers and says, you guys did a real good job today,

589
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: and they're.

590
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 3: Like, oh my god, he's so putty.

591
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: He spoke to us. Did you see those lips so full?

592
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: Do you think he had work done? So in custody,

593
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 2: Roofman said he wasn't the guy who robbed McDonald's in California,

594
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: which they may hear about. No, that he was just a.

595
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 3: Copy like preemptively telling.

596
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: Me, yeah, He's like, I'm just a copycat imitating that guy.

597
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: So if you hear anything, I wasn't there. The problem

598
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: with that story was his military records. They neatly corresponded

599
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: with the timing and the locations of all the burglaries.

600
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: So jeff Manchester, he gets sent to prison. He's thirty

601
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,479
Speaker 2: three years old. It's his Jesus here, Elizabeth. Yeah, and

602
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: like Jesus, heyesus Christo, he too, rolled back the rock

603
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: and came back from the dead. For four years, Jeffrey

604
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,479
Speaker 2: Manchester was on his best behavior. He earns the wardens

605
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: trust Elizabeth. He gets rewarded with the job in the

606
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: prison metal shop. Then he starts to track the trucks

607
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: that come in and out of the prison. He decides,

608
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: you know what, that's gonna be my way out of here,

609
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: so he takes some plywood he paints it black. Then

610
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: in June, he climbs under an outgoing truck. He fastens

611
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: his plywood platform to the bottom. He secrets himself away.

612
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: He tucks in some cardboard to take care of the sides.

613
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 2: Truck drives out of the prison roofman goes with it. Wow,

614
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: first time a prisoner had ever escaped from this recently

615
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: built prison. Word spreads of his escape right some of

616
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: the officers who had been investigating him back in northern California,

617
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: they started on the grape Vinyl officers. They're like, this

618
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: is like pretty much pre social media, pre internet kind

619
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: of stuff. So they're calling around. I guess Jose de

620
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: Latoa he hears about this. He's like, you gotta be

621
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: kidding me. Anytime someone escapes, it's surprising. But this guy

622
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 2: was very good at what he did. So once again,

623
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: now he's free. He's out. He climbs down from the

624
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,719
Speaker 2: hidden platform. He hitchhikes to This is Charlotte, North Carolina.

625
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 2: And this is two thousand and four, mind you. Right.

626
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: In the fall of two thousand and four, a man

627
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: named John Zorn makes a new life for himself in Charlotte.

628
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 3: John Zorn, that is such a fake. Yeah.

629
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he sinks some roots in the community and

630
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 2: it's the South Elizabeth. What does that mean. It means

631
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: he goes and he attends Crossroads Presbyterian Church. You gotta

632
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: get yourself a church. He gets himself a church. And

633
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: he was as he was, you know, his neighbors described

634
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: him as a quiet, unassuming man. He told folks he

635
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: worked for the government. A lot of people do back there,

636
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: and the sort of government job where he had a

637
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: security clearance and thus he couldn't talk about it convenient.

638
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: This satisfied most of the folks, like what a good patriot.

639
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: So at church, John Zorn, he met a woman named

640
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: Lee Wayne's Cot and they were close in age, although

641
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: she was a few years older. Just a couple, but

642
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: the two hit it off. Lee, the way she recalled it,

643
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: John Zorn was quote funny, romantic, the most sensitive man

644
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: I've ever met. She also added, and I quote the

645
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: guy that every girl would want, Lee, I got some

646
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: bad news for you. Also, every cop.

647
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: Biggest Adam Zeppelin ever seen.

648
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: I'm telling you. Well, he was a forty year old

649
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 2: single mother, right, so she couldn't just let herself fall

650
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,719
Speaker 2: for any guy. Right, she's got she has to be responsible,

651
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: a responsible right, so she had to think for and

652
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: for her kids. Right, she meets this guy and John Zorn.

653
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: He's good with her kids. He's kind, he's always bringing

654
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: them toys. He's very generous. Also, the couple they being

655
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: in to start talking about their future. I mean stuff

656
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: that you did she didn't expect. The forty year old's

657
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 2: mother was like, I didn't think I was this was

658
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: gonna happen, right. Unfortunately, John Zorn had a secret. His

659
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: name wasn't really John Zorn, Elizabeth, it was Jeffrey Allen Manchester.

660
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: And he did not have a top secret job with

661
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: the government. He was unemployed because he was an escaped convict.

662
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: He had no home that he could take Lee and

663
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: her kids too, because he was unhoused, and technically he

664
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 2: lived inside of a shuttered circuit city store.

665
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: Stop what you're doing in closed circuit city.

666
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 2: Yes, a closed, abandoned circuit city store. So when the

667
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: Roofman was in prison in North Carolina, he'd heard from

668
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 2: one of his fellow inmates, because you know, it's like

669
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: a little educational center in there. So they tell him

670
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: like yeah, man, you have criminal sentences for commercial burglary

671
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: are not terribly draconian in Mecklenburg County. So that's why

672
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: he picked Charlotte, Charlotte Mecklenburg, right, So that's why. At

673
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: first he moves inside of a Toys r Us superstore.

674
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: That's his first home. But it's it's open, it's a business.

675
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: He's living in an opened.

676
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 3: That is like every eight year old toys stream exactly.

677
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: He finds a way to sneak inside the walls of

678
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: the store right right behind like a bicycle display and

679
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: the toys. Yeah, he digs into like the dry wall.

680
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: He gets a little crack open, he digs into the wall.

681
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: He makes himself a little spot. But then he starts

682
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: like doing renovations boys in the wall and he makes

683
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 2: himself a little secret Toys.

684
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 3: R Us apartment out of legos.

685
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: No, just like inside the drywall, in the segments in

686
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: between the walls. He just makes himself a little place

687
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: to live. He starts like digging around the wall and

688
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: accidentally kicks through the wall and gets into the next

689
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: door business, which is a circuit City, which has been closed,

690
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: but the power is still on. So that's where he

691
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: sets up a secret apartment that will not be disturbed

692
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 2: by knows the employees, or because there's no employees, there's

693
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: not a storry about, right, So Elizabeth, can you imagine

694
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: living inside a Toys r Us? But not as an adult, like,

695
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: let's imagine it is kids.

696
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh dang, it's over.

697
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but do you remember holiday

698
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: season the Toys r US catalog?

699
00:33:59,360 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

700
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: I got my sister and I it was this a

701
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: storehouse of desires, circle stuff, tear up pages, lay them

702
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: around the house.

703
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, better would around like what's this on the

704
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:12,479
Speaker 3: dining room table?

705
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: Just happened to be there? Circled and pointed out?

706
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 3: So crazy?

707
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 2: Darren would love this? Did Santa put that there?

708
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 3: Picking up?

709
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 2: Like? Mom?

710
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 3: Did you want me to see this? I was actually like.

711
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 2: This exactly what I wanted in that color. So do

712
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: you know the name of the giraffe mascot for Toys

713
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: r Us?

714
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 3: Jeffrey? Yeah?

715
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 2: Why do I know that? Right?

716
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 3: But isn't it like Geoffrey.

717
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: With the g look at you double down?

718
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 3: There's so much that I don't remember.

719
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 2: And then the things you do the name of the

720
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 2: mascot for a defunct toy.

721
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 3: Company exactly, or like songs that come on.

722
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 2: The hall the looks you're amazing with that.

723
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 3: By the way, the roofman's name is Jeffrey.

724
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 2: In their coverage, ever did this, They never compared to Yes,

725
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: the whole It's the Toys r us Man, the Jeffy's

726
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 2: he grew up as the It's the Toys r us

727
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 2: Man anyway, jeff Manchester, as I told you, he's dating

728
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: the single mother Lee Waynscott. He's playing at being a stepfather.

729
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 2: He's a member of the local Presbyterian church. He's living

730
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: inside a deserted circuit city. He's doing his shopping from

731
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: the neighborhood Toys r us So. This tiny area that

732
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 2: he called a home was the space beneath the stairwell

733
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: right in the circuit city. He had a bed that

734
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: he stole from Toys r us On his bed he

735
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 2: had spider totally had like Spider Man sheets because he

736
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: also stole from Toys r us On the walls of

737
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: his secret apartment, he had posters of Spider Man and

738
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 2: Superman movies. Oh yeah, put up posters a whole bit,

739
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: you know, for evening entertainment. He'd wired up a DVD player,

740
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 2: and he stole some DVDs from Toys r US. So

741
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 2: he had like forty days and forty nights. He had

742
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 2: match Stick men. Of course, he had Spider Man two,

743
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: the Tobey Maguire one. Now for nutrition and nourishment, you

744
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 2: may be wondering what's he doing to live on.

745
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 3: I was totally I was thinking that.

746
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 2: Baby food, jars of baby food that he stole from

747
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: toys r us. They sell baby food and toys r US.

748
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 2: So he lived off of strain peas and oh my god,

749
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 2: just all diarrhea.

750
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:07,959
Speaker 3: That's all.

751
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: Paste at this point. So he was super attracted the

752
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: lad Oh god. Yeah. They also he wired up a

753
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: smoked a fire. He had a fire extinguisher and a

754
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 2: smoke detector as an early warning detection system. There's like

755
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 2: a motion detector. He also, yeah, he wouldn't we wouldn't

756
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: be surprised by workmen or inspectors.

757
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 3: He had to totally like rig it up. Otherwise it's

758
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 3: like you're only early detecting a fire exactly.

759
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: So, by the way, think about this, he's been in prison,

760
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: right he escapes. He had a four foot by eight

761
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 2: foot sell in prison. Now he has a four foot

762
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: by ten foot secret apartment in Circuit City.

763
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he has the whole place place.

764
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 2: Exactly, cleaned down, empty, there's like.

765
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 3: Stains on it, thousands of square feet.

766
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 2: But he spotted inside because.

767
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 3: He probably had like small quarters in the.

768
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 2: Builds, a prison of his own design. It's like it's

769
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: like a little piece of heaven for someone living on

770
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: the land. I guess. Anyway, beyond the DVDs, he falls

771
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 2: asleep too. And the baby food eats for breakfast, lunch,

772
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: and dinner. What else did the roof man do all

773
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 2: day and all night inside Circuit City? And toys are Well,

774
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 2: there's a bit answer that. I'd like you to close

775
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: your eyes and take a break, okay, and when we

776
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 2: get back, I will tell you what it's like inside

777
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 2: Toys or US when you have it as you take

778
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 2: your apartment.

779
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 4: Yay, Elizabeth, how were those ads?

780
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 2: Huh?

781
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: I don't know. My eyes were closed.

782
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 2: Oh okay, well they were good. I'll just tell you

783
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: that now if.

784
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 3: You want to get here with my eyes c to

785
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 3: know what was.

786
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 2: Going on and say, you like a Circuit City that's shuttered, yeah,

787
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 2: and next door to a Toys r US that's open,

788
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 2: and you live in both.

789
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 3: Of those m and I got the squirts.

790
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 2: Boy, if I got a treat for you, yeah, because

791
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 2: I'd like you to close your eyes and i'd like

792
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: you to pictures. It's a quiet night at the Circuit City, Elizabeth.

793
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 2: The lights are low, but there's music playing from a

794
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: DVD player. It's the soundtrack for the movie Smoking in

795
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 2: the Bandit and you, Elizabeth, are Jeffrey Manchester's imaginary friend

796
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 2: Regina Corntower. At the moment, you are driving in a

797
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: race against Jeff, He's piloting a Barbie dream car. You

798
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: are driving the right along Barbie pink cheek and you

799
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: are losing. You're racing around in the aisles and the

800
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 2: battery powered car engine wines as you punch it. The

801
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: car tires slide across the Linolean tile floor. You think

802
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 2: you can overtake the lead, maybe beat Jeff, because of

803
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: course you do, since you're an imaginary friend. And that's

804
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 2: what Jeff Manchester wants you to think. But also he

805
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: has a plan. When you pulled even with him, hoping

806
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: to pass, he lets you take the outside and then

807
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: he puts you in the wall hole. No, just like

808
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: Tom Cruise and days of thunder a Jerry Bruckheimer production.

809
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: The Barbie Jeeks slams into the shelves, the toys fall

810
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: off and hits you in your imaginary head. Jeff Manchester

811
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 2: laughs and continues to race on around the empty toys

812
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 2: r us late at night. I'll bite himself. He's won again.

813
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: He always wins.

814
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 3: He wins again.

815
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 2: So I've even messing around and living the best life

816
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: an eleven year old in a Hollywood movie about a

817
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: kid who calls a shuddered toy store at his home.

818
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: What else was Jeff Manchester doing? Elizabeth?

819
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 3: Am I still picturing it?

820
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 5: No?

821
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: They were picturing it. What do you think?

822
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 3: I just think that every time he sat down it

823
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 3: was a squeeshiesun.

824
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 2: Gotta bring it back?

825
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: I could.

826
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 6: Well.

827
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 2: Luckily they toys are us. They sell diapers, He's goods

828
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 2: and they have they got wipes. They have a product

829
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: called Boudreau's butt paste, so he's should be covered. That's

830
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: her babies who have issues with anyway, Elizabeth back to

831
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 2: Lee Waynscott, his girlfriend many partners. She wanted to go out.

832
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 2: She wanted to go out for a nice dinner and

833
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: not eat babyfood. She wanted to go out and see

834
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 2: a show, maybe a play. Something he wanted to do

835
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: a couple's due. But John Zorn, her boyfriend and his

836
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: top secret government job, couldn't give her those things.

837
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 3: You didn't even like go dutch on a bill.

838
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 2: No, no, not at all. He's got no cash. Yeah,

839
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: he's not really real, because what was real was that

840
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Manchester needed to figure out a way to get

841
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: some cash in his life, right, not Spiderman DVD. So

842
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 2: he starts to plan his next great robbery. Instead of

843
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: going back to his old mo, he had a new idea.

844
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: He would rob the toys r US.

845
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 3: Well, I'm wondering why that hasn't happened yet, right, Yeah,

846
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 3: but this would require some surveillance, right, So he installed

847
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 3: a series of baby monitors around the store.

848
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: He used those to spy on the goings on of

849
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 2: the employees management. He's like McCauley, Kulkan is robbing toys

850
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: r using.

851
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 3: That anyway because it's so boring.

852
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. You would not be able to last two

853
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: days at this. But not only this, he also starts

854
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 2: to change the employee's schedules because he wants to create

855
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: a weak moment without any managers on the floor, and

856
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 2: that's when he'll rob the Toys r Us. Really, so

857
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: he'd take his girlfriend out for a real date. So,

858
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 2: just like the McDonald's, the Toys r Us also followed regular,

859
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 2: predictable corporate practices that made it far easier target for

860
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: him to burgle. But unlike McDonald's, he was essentially living

861
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: inside the Toys r Us and so thus he was

862
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 2: living behind. He's leaving behind all this evidence of his presence, right,

863
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: so it didn't take long for employees to notice Smith,

864
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: the missing merchandise, the baby boot bottles everywhere. Yeah, the

865
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: smell suspicions start to grow. People are getting tired of

866
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: blaming Greg, so casual investigations get launched. If he was

867
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: going to rob from the Toys r Us, his window

868
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: is closing fast and he gets that. Right. Meanwhile, he's

869
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 2: attending Bible study class every Wednesday. He's going over to

870
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 2: his girlfriend's place. He'd ocay robin McDonald's and then take

871
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: Lee out to a nice restaurant one he could afford,

872
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 2: like Red Lobster. Yeah, he's like Beyonce, you know, if

873
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: you're good, you're gonna take you out to Red Lobster.

874
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 3: I bet you that when he went to Bible study,

875
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 3: he just like loaded up on all the snacks. On

876
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 3: Wednesday night, they're just like he does like early morning

877
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 3: stuff to get them arms nice.

878
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 2: Get some protein. So other nights, sometimes a couple they

879
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 2: would stay in watch movies because the guy had quite

880
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 2: a DVD collection. I'm telling you, buzz. He remained generous,

881
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 2: remember exactly double trouble. Anyway, he's bringing over toys for

882
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: the girlfriend's kids. Oh sure, every time he comes over

883
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: brand new, big ticket toys. The rest. He's also donating

884
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: to the church that she's like, he's so generous. Yeah,

885
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: so John Zorn even though also he gave the church

886
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 2: pastor the first two seasons of Seinfeld on DVD. So

887
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 2: the church pastor is like, and I quote, he's very engaging,

888
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: down to earth, nice felt lips. Oh yeah. So around

889
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: the same time he goes to a dentist have some

890
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: work done, right, he's got a tooth pain. So also

891
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: at the same time he's got a gym membership. She

892
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: started to lay down some other roots. He creates a

893
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: little life for himself. And he didn't know it then,

894
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: but this would be the mistake that he's making. He

895
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 2: cannot have a life for himself. As John Zorn anyway,

896
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: one Charlotte police captain much later noted, if you draw

897
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: a donut around that circuit city, I bet he talked

898
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: to everyone within a mile. Yeah. So he's out there

899
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 2: now trying to do he got a life. Yeah, yeah,

900
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: he's just out there, like, hey, how you guys doing.

901
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 3: How's he paying for his gym membership?

902
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: He goes and robs and McDonald's and then he's got

903
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 2: a couple hundred bucks. He's not much. It's not paying rent,

904
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: but he doesn't have car insurance. I got him once again.

905
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe a cash anyway. The holidays approach Elizabeth.

906
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: Now he's set for the kids obviously, so he can

907
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 2: always steal, you know, some something. Maybe he can't steal

908
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: a toy for Lee. So he's like, what am I

909
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: going to do for her? But for her he wanted

910
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: to get something special, right, He's like, I should show

911
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: her that we're going to start a life together. He's like, okay,

912
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: I need to rob the toys, r ust, I need

913
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 2: to get serious. So December twenty sixth, the day after

914
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 2: Christmas aka Boxing Day in Canada, roof Man it's time

915
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 2: to bring back the skills. Oh man, He decides the

916
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 2: time to rob the toys or ust. But he's not

917
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: coming through the roof. He's coming through the walls. So

918
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: he knew holiday shopping it's done. Now. It's the twenty

919
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: six right, the store should be flush with cash, the

920
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 2: most it'll have the entire year. And it's not yet

921
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: deposited in the bank.

922
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, because banks close on the twenty fifth.

923
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 2: So he walks right through the wall into the giant

924
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 2: toy store. He's got a gun in one hand, and

925
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 2: then he'd stolen from a pawn shop. He tells the

926
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: stunned employee.

927
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 3: He's steal a gun from a pawnshop.

928
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: Through the roof. Oh yeah, that's just my shot.

929
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 3: That's just like I imagine him standing at the counter,

930
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 3: all yeah.

931
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 2: I don't think the place was open.

932
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 3: I don't think.

933
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: So he walks in. He's got his pawn shop gun,

934
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 2: he's got his like mask on. He's like roofman, back

935
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: baby back in the game, don't Carolina. So he tells

936
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: the stunted employees that he's there to rob the store.

937
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 3: Take your shirt off, spin it around.

938
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: Your head like a helicopter, Raise up now he was

939
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 2: very kind and thoughtful, as always right, and he tells

940
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: him like, I'm just here to grab the cash. I

941
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: don't want to hurt anybody. Pair of employees, they're like

942
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 2: this North Carolina. I don't believe you. They run for

943
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: the door. So they managed to escape and they go

944
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: and they call the.

945
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 3: Cops like a beautiful man is robbing.

946
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: So the police they show up. They're quick on the scene.

947
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: Roofman has not had time to leave. He hears the

948
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: police arrive, He's able to flee without getting caught. However,

949
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 2: he now no longer has a home. He has the

950
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: cash to take his girlfriend out because he stole that,

951
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: but he has no home. What's next for the roofman?

952
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 2: Does he say we should get married and move to Mexico. Well,

953
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: when the police arrived to investigate the toys, r us

954
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: burglary police dogs get called in. The dog sniff and

955
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: sniff and doesn't take them long to find something because

956
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 2: he's stinky at this point. But anyway, he'd left a

957
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 2: cash of toys that the roofman had secreted away in

958
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 2: the ceiling tiles. Oh how the dogs sniff that, I

959
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 2: do not know, but they're onto something. Now the Charlotte

960
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: Mecklenberg cops, they continue to investigate. They remembered there was

961
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 2: a report of how they responded to a burglar alarm,

962
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 2: and the cops had previously investigated the abandoned Circuit City.

963
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 2: One cop even tested like a piece of loose dry

964
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: wall while they were searching. They had never discovered the

965
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: roofman's hidden apartment. So now they return they investigate again.

966
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 2: They go looking around in the Circuit City, this time Elizabeth.

967
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 2: They also found nothing.

968
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 3: They didn't find the apartment.

969
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 2: Later on, one cop this dude named Fred Allen, which

970
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 2: to me is like the old radio comedian. I'm like,

971
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: that's wild. Anyway, So he's patrolling the parking lot of

972
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: the Circuit City. He spies something strange and I say

973
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 2: something strange, like only you would have noticed this. He's

974
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: looking at the wall of the store, like the one

975
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 2: of the back walls, and there's lights on, right, all

976
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 2: these lights are lighting up the wall. But because the

977
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 2: power still on this in the business in the store,

978
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: one spot on the back wall is totally dark and

979
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 2: he's like, well, that's odd, and he goes over to

980
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 2: take a look at it and he sees there's like

981
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: it's been painted. There's this hidden door painted to match

982
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 2: the wall. He opens the door and he finds a

983
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: secret room. It's the hidden apartment of Jeffrey Manchester. He

984
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 2: just walks right in. Jeffrey Manchester was not there. He

985
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: happened to be out of here. I guess he was

986
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 2: up with Lee and the kids. Yeah, maybe it's Wednesday,

987
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 2: he's at Bible class. Anyway, cops get called in, they investigate,

988
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 2: They fingerprint everything. On one DVD. They find a fingerprint

989
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 2: the dvd Elizabeth, catch me if you can stop it.

990
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: Sear to god, that's a great detail. Like put that

991
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 2: in the movie, right, the house sublime? Right. Anyway, the

992
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 2: cops now they have their suspect. They fingerprint, they identify them,

993
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 2: They put out an APB. They turn to local media.

994
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: They release a mugshot of the suspect. It goes on

995
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: the nightly news the next morning. Jeffrey Manchester. He goes

996
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: back to that dentist office where he had the work done,

997
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 2: and you know he has gotten they got medical records inside. Yeah,

998
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: that would you know, connect him. So he burns the

999
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 2: place down. He burns down the dentist's office. Does go

1000
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: on to Steel's records and then go and steal like

1001
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: a bunch of records. He just burns the office down. Fortunately,

1002
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: though that was too late for that kind of severe

1003
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 2: drastic actions, because several churchgoers have to be watching the

1004
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 2: news the night before. They all recognized the mug shot.

1005
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 2: They're good church people. They call up the cops. They're like,

1006
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: that's John Zorn. He goes to my church and they

1007
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 2: tell the cops he's friendly with Lee Waynscott.

1008
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 3: And so a lot of toys exactly real generous.

1009
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 2: So detective goes out to speak with Lee. It was

1010
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 2: just after New Year's at this point to January Fitch,

1011
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 2: January sixth. The detective walks up to Lee and asked,

1012
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: do you know this man? Like? How T two is that?

1013
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: But the terminator too? Is not? Really what was happening, no, Elizabeth.

1014
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 2: It was a detective holding up a photograph of Jeff Manchester.

1015
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 2: Lee looked at the photo, then back at detective, then

1016
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 2: back at the photo side, looked back at the detective

1017
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: and said, that's John. The detective told her his name

1018
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: was not John Zorn, he was Jeff Manchester and he

1019
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 2: was an escaped convict. As far as the cops could

1020
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 2: tell he'd been living inside of a Circuit City store

1021
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: doing all his grocery shopping at the Toys r Us,

1022
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 2: and the detective asked if she knew where John, or

1023
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 2: rather Jeff might be. Lee said she didn't know where

1024
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: he was. She wasn't protecting for him. She literally did

1025
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 2: not know, but she told the cops he would probably

1026
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: call her soon. The cops say, well, would you would

1027
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 2: you be willing to help us contact him or maybe

1028
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 2: set up a trap. She's like, yeah, I will help

1029
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 2: you set up a meeting with John Zorn aka Jeff Manchester.

1030
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: But also, by the way, Lee, she's shocked and sat

1031
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 2: into her Cory. You called it right. I mean, we

1032
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 2: got to feel sorry for She thought she met a

1033
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 2: good guy at church. He's great with the kids, great

1034
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: with the community. Turns out to be he lives in

1035
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 2: the Toys r Us with her city, and he's he's

1036
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: the roof man.

1037
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 3: Imagine. I'm just thinking about like she's sitting in therapy. Yeah,

1038
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 3: so it didn't work out.

1039
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 2: Let me tell you what, John Zorn does he have

1040
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: any friends.

1041
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 3: And they are welcome to club jaded. He's never going

1042
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 3: to trust anyone again.

1043
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 2: I can't introduce you to any of his friends because

1044
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: he's not a real person. Oh my god, so she

1045
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: as I said, She agrees for the cops to help

1046
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 2: catch her boyfriend. Days later, she calls a detective and

1047
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: tells him that she's invited John Zorn over for her

1048
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 2: fortieth birthday party.

1049
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 3: Oh, happy birthday.

1050
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 2: She's gonna have a party. And so they're like, what

1051
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 2: if we're the guests? So she's like, okay, So she

1052
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 2: invites Jeff over to her party with the cops. The scene,

1053
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 2: though it's joyous, it's festive. The cops are doing their

1054
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 2: best to give her a happy fortieth. Secretly, Lee is

1055
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 2: dying on the inside, right, So she's faming a smile

1056
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 2: when John, or rather Jeff, arrives at her birthday party and.

1057
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 3: Kind of turn it around. I would be like, this

1058
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 3: is the greatest da because I'm gonna just nail this exactly.

1059
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 3: I am going to ruin myself and justice. It would

1060
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 3: be the best party.

1061
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you can't spell justice without ice ice cold.

1062
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 2: Now there's no parties, I told you, Elizabeth, just a

1063
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 2: bunch of cops pretending they're holding solo cups or whatever.

1064
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 2: And so her kids are out of the house because

1065
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 2: in case there's a bad scene. So the roof man arrives.

1066
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 2: He's got a bouquet of flowers for his girlfriend. He

1067
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 2: strolls into Lee's place, Happy fortieth baby.

1068
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 3: Oh god.

1069
00:50:55,560 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 2: He finds that she's alone except for these cops. SOPs.

1070
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,919
Speaker 2: They swarm him. They arrest him immediately. The Charlotte Police

1071
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 2: sergeant Catherine Scheimerife or shim Reef said, after the bus

1072
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: and about the bus, the Roofmand's biggest mistake was quote

1073
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 2: going back for the girl one last time. Oh my god,

1074
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Speaker 2: so Elizabeth, he broke the thirty second rule from Heat, which,

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Speaker 2: by the way, is your new second favorite bank robbery movie. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so in that movie, Robert de Niro says, don't let

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Speaker 2: yourself get attached to anything you were not willing to

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Speaker 2: walk out in thirty seconds flat if you feel the

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Speaker 2: heat around the corner. Now, dude broke the heat dictate.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what to call this, right over the

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Speaker 2: heat dictate the thirty second rule. He broke it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: now he gets busted. The cops let roofman phone his

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Speaker 2: girlfriendly and she says he was apologetic. They told reporters

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Speaker 2: at the time he was very sad and humbled and

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Speaker 2: felt terrible that he had to deceive us. He encouraged

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Speaker 2: me and told me to be strong and to do

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Speaker 2: the things we talked about doing. He wasn't upset and

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Speaker 2: get this, Elizabeth, she forgave him.

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Speaker 3: Are you kidding?

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Speaker 2: Good Christian Southern woman, I'm telling you right, heart filled.

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Speaker 3: With you know what? More power to her said vengeance

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Speaker 3: would be mine.

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Speaker 2: She said, I don't hate them. I'm disappointed and confused.

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Speaker 2: I don't know whether to smack them or hug them. No,

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Speaker 2: I say throw out in the trash, but please custdy

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Speaker 2: Jeff Manchester. He also phoned his mother. He calls up.

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Speaker 2: He's like, Mom, I kind of lost focus direct flow, Mama,

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Speaker 2: I kind of lost focus. She added, he doesn't seem

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Speaker 2: super embarrassed about the notoriety. I know I would be.

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Speaker 2: That's my mother, that's her response. Would Yeah, he should

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Speaker 2: be embarrassed, embarrassed, me, embarrassed the family. I would have

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Speaker 2: died of embarrassment at a good nature if I was him.

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Speaker 3: You gotta just don't talk to the press.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 2: She also said her son seemed like a character out

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Speaker 2: of a movie. That's his mother, I can't imagine this

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Speaker 2: is something you would see in the movies. Yeah, Now,

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Speaker 2: we always compare our lives to the movies, which we

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Speaker 2: are losing. So what do you think we're gonna use

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Speaker 2: to make sense of our lives when movies are gone? Like,

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Speaker 2: this is like something you'd see in a video game.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't have the same pinas on the ticker, right,

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Speaker 2: this seems like something you've seen in his streaming series.

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Speaker 2: It just doesn't anyway. Back to Charlotte Police Sergeant Catherine

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Speaker 2: scheim Reef, she said, you hate to compliment the guy

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Speaker 2: because he's a dirt bag, but we can we can

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Speaker 2: learn a lot from him. So even she's a victim

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Speaker 2: to it is happening. And she's partly right because since

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Speaker 2: he was certainly worthy of a compliment from cops apparently,

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Speaker 2: but being that I'm not a cop, I'll just say it.

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Speaker 2: He was wildly good at what he did, and he

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Speaker 2: wasn't done trying. So February two thousand and nine and

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Speaker 2: October twenty seventeen he tried to escape from prison. Oh god,

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Speaker 2: yoh yeah. Now both attempts failed. At the moment, he's

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Speaker 2: still in prison. He's at Central Prison, in Raleigh, North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: And now he's scheduled for release in twenty thirty six.

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Speaker 2: Ladies take note, So at that time he will be

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Speaker 2: sixty five years old. It's kind of wild that he's

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Speaker 2: living in a North Carolina prison as opposed to California,

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00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 2: because he was sent there for a short deployment. He

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Speaker 2: gets busted, gets caught, and he spent half of his

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00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,439
Speaker 2: life in a North Carolina prison. Yeah. Anyway, and oh,

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Speaker 2: by the way, we can now look forward to a

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Speaker 2: movie about his exploit because Channing Tatum has signed on

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Speaker 2: to star in the film of his story. The title

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Speaker 2: roof Man, Magic Roofman, Roofman.

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Speaker 3: That's a good Where did they get that time?

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Speaker 2: I know? Fun Fact Toys r Us went bankrupt in

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Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. Fun Right. All the stores closed. It was

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00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 2: the end of an era that was I hated it, right,

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00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 2: but it was the result of greedy, unscrupulous investors who

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00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 2: loaded the company up with debt and then tanked its

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00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 2: future and then sold off the parts for profit. Now

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00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 2: they basically loaded the store the stores because they all closed,

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00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 2: yet none of them will go to prison. Instead, they're

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Speaker 2: celebrated as smart, rational economic actors. Right, taking advantage of

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00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 2: market dynamics or whatever. Yeah, personally, I prefer my thieves

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Speaker 2: like Jeffrey Manchester.

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Speaker 3: That's what I say.

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00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 2: Now. I bet Lee Waynscott would have a different opinion,

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Speaker 2: But I'm just saying as an outsider, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, in terms of like maybe a person here there

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00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 3: lost their job because of Roofman. Sure, yeah, but like

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00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 3: that it was venture capitalists, Pretrick.

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00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. I believe it was capital I believe.

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00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 3: Was Romney wiped everybody out. Yes, it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: All the stories. Everyone loves their job, but none of

1159
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 2: them that's not like a bad thing. This guy going

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Speaker 2: in and stealing some baby food.

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Speaker 3: Clever anyway, I prefer him, I agree.

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Speaker 2: So what's a ridiculous takeaway or Elizabeth?

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Speaker 3: Oh, my ridiculous takeaway is there's no need for brand loyalty?

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Speaker 3: I like, what about you?

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Speaker 2: Look at you. My ridiculous takeaway is is this a mashup?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Okay, there you go, so pritzy you got a talkback

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Speaker 2: for us? Sure do you? Oh my god?

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Speaker 3: I went.

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Speaker 6: Hey, Elizabeth and Zarin. One of the things I wanted

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Speaker 6: to ask about was if you knew about this skit

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Speaker 6: from Sentient live That was done back in the eighties

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Speaker 6: and it ties in with all the episodes to end

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Speaker 6: up with the cons writing books. So if you go

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Speaker 6: to YouTube and search for Pros and cons SNL and

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Speaker 6: that's p R O s E, you will see a

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Speaker 6: short film supposedly written by Norman Mailer about the next

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Speaker 6: great wave of Piliser winning writers and poets coming from

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Speaker 6: the American prison system. Anyway, I love the show.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, my god, I love this.

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Speaker 3: I have to go.

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00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 2: Look, I'm gonna stop this show right now to go. Look,

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Speaker 2: can you just stop it? Hand me my phone? Well,

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Speaker 2: how's always? How you find us online? Ridiculous Crime on Twitter, Instagram,

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Speaker 2: have the website ridiculous Crime dot com and we obviously

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Speaker 2: love your talkbacks. That one was excellent. Yeah, email us

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Speaker 2: if you like a Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com

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Speaker 2: the show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: As always, thanks for listening. We will catch you next crime.

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