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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the

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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Broms, Rob Phillips,

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Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. Hey, the rain cleared for a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Let's go outside in practice today, how about it? Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Talking Cowboys. Bill Jones, Brian brought us, Rob Phillips,

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Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola. It's Redskins Week and it's Thursday of Redskins Week.

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Speaker 1: Time to get fired up for this game against the

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Speaker 1: division leading Redskins. But will they still be leading the

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Speaker 1: division come Sunday at about six thirty Dallas time. You're

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Speaker 1: ready to go outdoors and practice today? Yeah? Why not?

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Speaker 1: It's about time? Yes, that's right. Yeah, I'm ready for

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Speaker 1: this rain to end. No, you know, I never I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry if I'm one of these guys. I never complain

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Speaker 1: about the rain. Because you're talking about a guy that

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Speaker 1: loves to be on the lake fishing, and I can't

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Speaker 1: stand it when my bass lake doesn't have water in it.

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Speaker 1: So we need the rain. We always need the rain. Baby.

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Speaker 1: He was gonna say fish is better when it's raining.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's some fish sometimes you get him in

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Speaker 1: school a little bit. Yeah, that's true. Bill missed our

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Speaker 1: show yesterday. Sorry, but I had a lot of people

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Speaker 1: replied that they liked our old back in the day

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Speaker 1: that Mickey and I threw down yesterday, and you kept

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Speaker 1: saying here in the show. I was worried about. No,

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Speaker 1: people don't want to hear this. I was worried about that.

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Speaker 1: I was. I'm sorry, I was worried. But I appreciate

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Speaker 1: everybody that that that tweeted over to me and said, hey,

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Speaker 1: I like the like the old the old days talk.

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Speaker 1: So I'm glad we did that back in the day. Well,

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Speaker 1: so what was the highlight of back in the day talk? Well,

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Speaker 1: we just went and talked about me in like nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy four leaving a Cowboy game when they when Clint Long,

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Speaker 1: Well that was Cowboys. Yeah, Mickey wrote a book a

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Speaker 1: book about it. Great rivalry. So yeah, we we kind

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Speaker 1: of the first segment we went into Rob was kind

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Speaker 1: of like looking as like, what are you guys talking

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Speaker 1: about it? It was good. Yeah, Okay, I'll throw my

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Speaker 1: two cents worth on that because I came in here

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Speaker 1: wondering about this baseball controversy there they're fan interference or whatever,

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Speaker 1: because I did not watch the baseball game. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: It's football season and so I'm I'm focused on the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys Redskins whatever. But it got me to think it.

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Speaker 1: Remember one of the Cowboys Redskins game in the early

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Speaker 1: nineties in Washington, a controversy in the end zone on

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Speaker 1: a fumble or something with Aikman. Do you remember that, Mickey.

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Speaker 1: It was as mad as I've seen Jimmy. Oh. It

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Speaker 1: was because it was the game that they could have

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Speaker 1: clinched either the division title it was a December game,

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Speaker 1: or they could have clinched a playoff Berth and Aikman

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Speaker 1: fumbled the ball and emt and Emmett went to try

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Speaker 1: to recover it, and he bobbled it around, and they

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Speaker 1: recovered it and scored a touchdown and beat them, and

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Speaker 1: they had to go to the next week. So I

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Speaker 1: think it was ninety two because they had an opportunity

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Speaker 1: turned the game around, and they had to wait till

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Speaker 1: the next week to could clinch the title, And that

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Speaker 1: was the one when they flew home and there was

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Speaker 1: a little too much yaking on the plane, and he

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Speaker 1: deserve to eat. There's something to that. So he went

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Speaker 1: players for having too good a time. After Wow, it

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Speaker 1: just occurred to me. So I apologized that in high

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Speaker 1: to the service. So that would if it was ninety two.

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Speaker 1: It was December thirteenth of ninety two. I'm twenty to

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Speaker 1: seventeen loss to the Redskins. And it's one of those

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Speaker 1: why it's foggy and Charles and hit somebody. But here's

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Speaker 1: that right, there must have been and even nineteen ninety two,

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Speaker 1: There was nobody was asking a question and so finally

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Speaker 1: I'm like, are you upset about the call in the

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Speaker 1: I'm upset about a lot of things, okay, and that

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Speaker 1: and so we were editing up until our live shot

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Speaker 1: the NBC affiliate did And so I was not on

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Speaker 1: I wasn't And I'm not at all surprised how mad

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Speaker 1: Jimmy was because I've never well, the only other time

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Speaker 1: the second to last one of the nineteen eighty nine Well, buddy, yeah, no, no,

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Speaker 1: he had Brodrick Sergeant and Darryl Johnson playing tailback. Alight, Yeah, alright,

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Speaker 1: we're awful that game. And that was the famous line

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Speaker 1: what he was venting about. There was, that's what that

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Speaker 1: what you call a football, oh, Jimmy, or the time

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Speaker 1: he threw the fit at Valley Ranch on the Tuesday

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Speaker 1: you remember something funny ed, something humorous. Okay, that was

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Speaker 1: guess ed Warder was laughing or something I don't know,

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Speaker 1: been that same press conference you're talking about. John Radigan

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Speaker 1: he says, you got a question? Bill? I was like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: how are these press conferences not carried live? That started

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Speaker 1: with parcels? But this sounds like goal. Oh it was,

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Speaker 1: it was, it was. It was the best I was not.

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Speaker 1: I'm good whatever. So so anyway, uh, afterwards to your point, afterwards,

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Speaker 1: and he yells at He yells at me, Hey, you

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Speaker 1: got a question. Bill. All he was doing was in

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Speaker 1: front of the cameras. He wanted to get a message

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Speaker 1: across to his team that Okay, this is a no

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Speaker 1: nonsense week. Okay, what's the message this week? Then everything

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Speaker 1: You know, they just haven't been Now, home has been different.

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Speaker 1: offensively for what they did against a good defense? No?

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Speaker 1: just just think about the games they play. Houston's past

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Speaker 1: all kinds of reasons is that just too obvious? Early

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Speaker 1: think there's somebody favorite in the little copy room writing that,

424
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Speaker 1: laughing as he's doing it. Somebody's gonna have to read this.

425
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Speaker 1: It's like they have some great um yeah, brainstorming sessions

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Speaker 1: over at Tommy John. Let's let's before lunch, let's make

427
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Speaker 1: up some some spots here. What do you think about

428
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: this one? I did copywriting for a few years before

429
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Speaker 1: I came back, and would you write something I didn't do? Bits?

430
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: You know? This is doing this as bits. It's a

431
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Speaker 1: good bit. We love Tommy John's a good bit. Did

432
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Speaker 1: you have on their euphemisms for parts of your body?

433
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: Your boys love? What the hell? I don't think I

434
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: ever heard that before? I love it, I don't think so.

435
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: Where's my script? I don't have a script? Rob, Rob

436
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: had an old one yesterday. We didn't have one at all.

437
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 1: I'm telling you those shows after us are stealing our stuff.

438
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 1: I just mentioned Texas, Texas that's coming up May tenth

439
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Speaker 1: through twelve. That's right, kaboo Texas dot com? Is that right?

440
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:12,719
Speaker 1: Check it out? It's spelled k A A boo. Right. Oh,

441
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: that's right. You can't remember the phone number, but he

442
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: can't remember how to spell. Why can't I remember the

443
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 1: phone number? Seven? All right? Eighty eight? That would be

444
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: Drew Pearson, Yeah, eighty eight. Michael Irvin okay, fifty five.

445
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: Who you want to go with? Let's go to Leroy Jordan,

446
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: Leroy Jordan, okay, twenty two? Who are you going with?

447
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 1: Emmitt Smith? I was going Bob had I know you were,

448
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 1: but I tried to be a little fair. I didn't

449
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: want to go all old to ninety seven. Who you going? Taco?

450
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: He was ready? Okay, So give us a call at

451
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: Drew Pearson, Michael Irvin, Leroy, Jordan, Image Smith and Tacos Charlton.

452
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 1: What doesn't make it easier to remember the number of Scots?

453
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: We just confused the hell out of everybody for sure.

454
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Speaker 1: Actually it spells out t l k c b ys. Okay,

455
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: that's even better. Boys, say that again. You can't t

456
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Speaker 1: l k c b y s. If you're gonna spell

457
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Speaker 1: it out on your c lk c b y, I'd

458
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: rather go Drew Pearson, Michael Irvin, de Roy Jordans, Yeah,

459
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: Emmett Smith, Land, Van h Show, Charlton. I'm just gonna

460
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: say you could go late. Okay. Anyway, there's your phone number.

461
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: Can I ask a real quick question? Yes, I'll try.

462
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: Let me see if all these are left over, Mickey,

463
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: you and Rob did a great job. Answer his questions.

464
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: How about this, If if I could improve Dak Prescott

465
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Speaker 1: in one area, what would it be. I was thinking

466
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,959
Speaker 1: about this question yesterday driving home. If I can approve

467
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott in one area, what would it be? Stay

468
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: as aggressive throwing the ball down the field as he

469
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: was against Jacksonville like that, I think about it. There

470
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: was a couple passes that he threw and again and

471
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: Michael Gallop wasn't all that wide open? Right? And you're

472
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: willing to live possible consequences, Yes, okay, As Tony Romo said,

473
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 1: if you're not throwing interceptions, you're not trying that. In fact,

474
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: when you look at the young quarterbacks around this league

475
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: and the old quarterbacks around this league, they are doing that. Well.

476
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: How about with conviction down the field. How about what

477
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: we were talking with Dennis Thurman last night and talking

478
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: about all the nineteen eighty five they had thirty six

479
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: interceptions thirty six as a team, thirty three by the DBS.

480
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: I watched him ruined Harold Carmichael's career. He knocked him

481
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: under the bench one time. Harold Carmack got like one

482
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: hundred and seven game consecutive streak. Thurman hit him so

483
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: hard he drove him under the bench, the Philly bench,

484
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: and basically ended his career. Mean, one other note on

485
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Speaker 1: Dennis Thurman last night. You can check it out whenever

486
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: it's posted Cowboys Legend Show. It was great, Micke. It

487
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: was a good get getting that And it was just

488
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: I saw him and I said, you live here, goes

489
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: eight years. He's like, well, how come I didn't know that?

490
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: And and of course Dennis Thurman was an eleventh round

491
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: draft pick of the Cowboys in nineteen seventy eight, played

492
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: here eight years, and then it was with exact Cridinals

493
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: his last his last year for Gene Stallings, who of

494
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: course was his coach secondary coach here. Yeah, and then

495
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: he went and got into coaching first with the Cardinals.

496
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: He was at USC throughout the nineties. Basically, in fact,

497
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: he coached Chris Richard, he recruited Chris Rochard on his

498
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: build that he kind of put that together. I figured

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Speaker 1: that out during the course of the interview that they

500
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Speaker 1: who was there at that time. And then of course

501
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: he was back in the NFL with the Ravens and

502
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: then the Jets. But get a load of this, Okay,

503
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: he played at you sc two time All American at USC,

504
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: and who were who was his teammate in the secondary

505
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: Ronnie Ronnie Lott, Yeah, okay. And then get a load

506
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Speaker 1: of the guys that he coached. Okay. And Ronnie Lott

507
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: credits Dennis Thurman even though he was just a peer

508
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Speaker 1: of his as being one of his mankings a freshman

509
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Speaker 1: when Nie was okay, So he was a mentor Ronnie Lott.

510
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: And so then Dennis Thurman he coaches at USC, he

511
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: had Troy Palamalu he did okay, And then with the

512
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: Ravens he had Edrey Deon Sanders was there as well. True.

513
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: Then he goes to the Jets and he has Reevaus

514
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: with the Jets, he does. So. I asked him to

515
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: put together his all time secondary that he is mentored

516
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: or coached in his career. And did he give you

517
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Speaker 1: the Bill Belichick answer of they're all below this guy?

518
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Speaker 1: Did you hear that yesterday? Yeah? I wonder if he

519
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Speaker 1: how he ranked those guys? How did how did he? Uh?

520
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Speaker 1: And he threw McAlister in there as well, Raven Yeah,

521
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: Chris McCallister. Actually Jason Seahorn he brought Yeah, Jason Seahorn

522
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Speaker 1: he brought up too, uh that he had would he

523
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Speaker 1: have had the Giants? He wasn't with the Giants Seahorn

524
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: USC okay, yeah yeah, the USC Yeah yeah, okay. And

525
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: so he started with lot and I have even prompted

526
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Speaker 1: him on lot. Okay, let's start with lot. Yeah, there

527
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Speaker 1: you go. Paula was next, and then he mentioned he

528
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: didn't even mention Dion. You know dian I was there

529
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Speaker 1: for two years. Yea, the player at that point in time.

530
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Speaker 1: So the other interesting thing was is when he was

531
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Speaker 1: at Southern cow Rod Marinelli was coaching the Marinelli was

532
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Speaker 1: there too, huh. So think about it, and when we

533
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: went through it, he played or coached with or played

534
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Speaker 1: for John McKay, Robinson, uh, Tom Landry and then Gene Stallings.

535
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Speaker 1: And then when he was with the Cowboys, Ditka and

536
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: Eaves were assistant coaches. Right, that's incredible. Yeah, I guess

537
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: he was with Pete Carroll maybe at sc yep. Sure

538
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: they were turning that thing around in the absolutely. Yeah.

539
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: So back on changing deck back to interceptions, Yeah, no,

540
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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you got, rob I think that's

541
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Speaker 1: a really good one. Um. There's times where I think

542
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: he could just trust his protection a little bit more. Yeah,

543
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: And I'm not that he's always seeing ghosts, but I

544
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: think early there's been times where he's been hit a

545
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: lot and just affected the way he's played. Just hang

546
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: in there, you know, and and stay poised. And he's

547
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: done that at times too. But I like the word poised,

548
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: like pocket, pocket, poise, you know, um and that you know.

549
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: I think that comes with experience too. But I like

550
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: what Mickey said, They've they've got to not be reckless,

551
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: but just continue to force things, not force things, but

552
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: put that onus on the secondary because that that catch

553
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: from Gallop early in the game, it kind of got

554
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: him going, got him going, It loosened things up, and

555
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: it made Jack and they'll respect them a little bit.

556
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Speaker 1: I hope that he continues, Like you say, the aggressiveness

557
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: you say down the field, I just say overall, yeah,

558
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: overall aggressiveness with the read option stuff, you know, throwing

559
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: the football, whatever he has to do to kind of

560
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: get him going in the game. I'd love to see

561
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: the anticipation. He made a couple of good anticipation throws.

562
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: The one to Beasley in the middle of the field

563
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: I thought was a good one when he was facing

564
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Speaker 1: some pressure. But I'm with you guys on staying aggressive.

565
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: I really am, because I think he's a better player

566
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Speaker 1: when he's aggressive, you know. I just I want to

567
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: see him do more with it's you know, it's running

568
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: the ball, throwing the ball on the edge, dan the pocket,

569
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Speaker 1: breaking the pot, whatever he has to do to continue

570
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: to manufacture off I think this offense feeds off that,

571
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: and I think when he gets some runs going, he

572
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: gives him some juice and then they get their play

573
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: action going and everything kind of works off of it. Yeah,

574
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Speaker 1: I'm in agreement. I like that. Do you think they're

575
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: having the same I agree. I think the aggressive it

576
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: goes against his nature taking care of the football, right, Yeah,

577
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: and he still needs to have that. Yeah, At the

578
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,719
Speaker 1: same time, he needs to be more aggressive in his approach,

579
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: I think, and I think he's starting to show that now.

580
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: And and a lot of that is trusting what they're

581
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: doing too, or trusting the receivers that actually like make

582
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: a catch right because you know, think about it, for

583
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: they're going to be at the same place where they're

584
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: supposed to be, right. All his interceptions have been off

585
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: his guy's hands. Yeah, you know, so it's not like

586
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: he's making bad reads, right, you know, those are the

587
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: ones you can't you can't excuse. But if you're being

588
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: aggressive and a guy makes a nice play, Okay, he

589
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: got me. I thought his high school coach made a

590
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: great point after the game. Somebody's asked him, what did

591
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: you tell Dak before the game? And he said, just

592
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: be Dak and everything will be just fine. Yeah, there

593
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Speaker 1: you go. And I think that, you know, sounds simple,

594
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: but that's who he is. Who he is, Just do it. Yeah,

595
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 1: Rodney Gwynn high school coach, Haughton High School now at

596
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: Calvary Baptist Academy in Shreveport. We're all familiar with the

597
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: fall power. Yeah, well, and we're all familiar with who

598
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: came out of there. Uh that would the Calvary place

599
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: the Booties did? The Booty Brothers? I think they would

600
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Speaker 1: be evangel Christian Evangel evangel Christian is the powerhouse, the

601
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Speaker 1: power Okay, I'm Calvary Baptist. Do you know what Super

602
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: Bowl winning coach coach there? No, I don't. Peter Peterson

603
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: ten years ago. Doug Peterson where the head coach of

604
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles. Ten years ago, two thousand and eight,

605
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Speaker 1: he was the head coach at Calvary Baptist Academy in Shreveport, Louisiana.

606
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Speaker 1: This was, of course after his playing career and then

607
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: he got into coaching and maybe his kids were that age.

608
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Speaker 1: I don't know what's he from. Yes, yeah, he's a Louisian.

609
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Speaker 1: He would school Louisiana Monroe. Yeah, that's right northeast, but

610
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Speaker 1: he was. He would for about four or five years

611
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Speaker 1: he was the head coach at Calvary Baptist Academy and

612
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: then I guess went to Andy Reid, Kansas right after that.

613
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Speaker 1: And history, How amazing is that you go from being

614
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: a private school in Shreeport, Louisiana as the head coach

615
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Speaker 1: there and you win a Super Bowl less than ten

616
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Speaker 1: years later where he developed the Philly Special. Maybe that's

617
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: where it all started, where it all began right down

618
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Speaker 1: the road. And I need to hire Rodney then, huh

619
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Speaker 1: y nine years him now? Or maybe Rodney Gwynn will

620
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Speaker 1: be the head coach subway? Where do you get Super Bowl? Yeah?

621
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Speaker 1: All right? Do you think they're having the same conversation

622
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: about Alex Smith posting the same question about Alex Smith

623
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Speaker 1: that you just post about Dak Prescott on talking Redskins,

624
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: what would you change about him? Because and the reason

625
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: I asked that, there are very there are similarities between

626
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott's approach and Alex Smith's approach. Yeah, I think that,

627
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: you know, Jay Gruden has come out and said they

628
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: need more from him, you know, they need more what

629
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Speaker 1: they you know, and I'll tell you I give him,

630
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: give him some credit. They found the found a youth

631
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Speaker 1: with Adrian Peterson running the football, and the three wins

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Speaker 1: than I did with Alex Smith. And what I've seen

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Speaker 1: like that, Hey, Kurt Cousins puts up huge numbers and

657
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Speaker 1: never wins. You know, you're right about Smith in terms

658
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Speaker 1: of he won't beat you. Cousins will turn the ball

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Speaker 1: over at times, he'll he'll throw it to the other team,

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Speaker 1: He's also a more verse and he's kind of like

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Speaker 1: One thing that Gruden did say specifically was he needs

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Speaker 1: can't you know, you got to others, David Irving, all

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Speaker 1: D line we've seen in a while here. Yeah, four years,

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Speaker 1: ninety four million for Alex Smith. Yeah, signing bonus was

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Speaker 1: twenty seven million, and then the other guy guarantee the

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Speaker 1: The total guaranteed seventy one million on Alex Smith's one

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Speaker 1: five was guaranteed, right right, right, Well, for that much guaranteed,

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Speaker 1: three games of completing sixty percent, fifty nine percent, and

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Speaker 1: fifty eight point three percent. Yeah. Yeah, but Alex Smith

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Speaker 1: the last five years or so. I saw a graphic

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Speaker 1: winning his quarterback in the National Football League the last

682
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Speaker 1: five years since twenty eleven, with in his time with

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Speaker 1: one and one as a starter. Yeah, Urban with Urban Meyer,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of his winning is who is

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Speaker 1: I don't see. But he's been on something. The numbers

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Speaker 1: we've had this discussion with regard to Dak. You know,

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Speaker 1: that just load up on their shoulders and they'll get it.

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Speaker 1: They'll find a way to get it done. Protection is

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Speaker 1: not great. Receivers aren't great Rogers Rogers is one of them,

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Speaker 1: and there's a couple others, and Smith is in that

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Speaker 1: probably next level of guys that, yeah, if he's got weapons,

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Speaker 1: he's he can be dangerous because he's not going to

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Speaker 1: really beat himself, but he does need guys around him.

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Speaker 1: And you know, having Jamison Crowder back would certainly help

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Speaker 1: for them. But he's he didn't practice again yesterday for Washington,

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Speaker 1: so's he's been out with the ankle. And Thompson only

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Speaker 1: I was just looking at the boy. If both those

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Speaker 1: guys don't play, If both those guys don't play, that's

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Speaker 1: a huge break for the Cowboys. I think those guys.

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Speaker 1: I think those guys have the capability of Thompson, especially

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Speaker 1: run for fourteen yards. And yet they didn't have either

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Speaker 1: I don't know what Caroline is over And a couple

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Speaker 1: of their offensive linemen are Dan Pade yesterday, yeah, suff Yeah,

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Speaker 1: He usually plays center, so what they've had to do

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Speaker 1: you know, Trent Williams is still very capable. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: to get small to rush this guy because if he does.

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Speaker 1: and strength. They drafted him in two thou and ten

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Speaker 1: So what do you see from Morgan Moses? The right tackle,

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Speaker 1: that's where you're going to have to make some hay.

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Speaker 1: That is where you I mean, Morgan Moses is one

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Speaker 1: Williams would be a guy if I could just get

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Speaker 1: you gotta think a little bit. You know, it's kind

843
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: of a car kind of stalls out for a second,

844
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: where we go at ten dollars. You know you're getting

845
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: that read back one of these days. Yeah, I'm sending

846
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: it on my desk. Right. Oh is it so you

847
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: have it? Oh? I laminated it. You laminated it, and

848
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 1: then you forgot it, and I leave it on my

849
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: desk two days in a row. Another feeling, MICKEYA said

850
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: that yesterday, what I enjoy is is Rob watching you

851
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: your impromptu No, you kind of do. But everybody's listening, right,

852
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: that's right. Now. Their promo just lasted another thirty seconds.

853
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: It's kind of like when I worked in Lubbock and

854
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: we had a this was way way back, you know,

855
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: on Good Morning America, they would have the local cut

856
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: ins and they put the least experience the news anchor

857
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: on the local cut ins in small market, USA, and

858
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: my wife and I were just buried, and we used

859
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: to she would she would delay going to work just

860
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: so she could watch the seven twenty five to watch

861
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: not to say, you to see a train exactly what

862
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: are you saying saying, Mickey? The train wreck? Anyway? But

863
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: everybody knows, Jack, that's right. Oh. A matter of fact,

864
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: they're probably going to send me more products. Exactly should absolutely,

865
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: they should keep in your pockets there in the show. Now,

866
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: you're never gonna get a new script, they're gonna watch

867
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: you just add libs do every time just because people

868
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: are hanging on the podcast just to hear Mickey read

869
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: the jack black or try to. All Right, Jim in California,

870
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 1: you're up, I'm talking Cowboys. Hello Jim, good morning. Thanks

871
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: for taking my call. Hey, I really felt the tight

872
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: ends for blocking better in Jacksonville. I felt they were

873
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: assignments sound and very aggressive, and I think that makes

874
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: the difference for offensive line for Zeke on his cutback

875
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: plays and where we pull the guards around. I think that, Yeah,

876
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: that's a big improvement. I felt Jacksonville had an answer

877
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: in the third quarter, but they followed it away and

878
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: then as usual, Borders Boardles just made a bad decision

879
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: and threw in a triple coverage that just kind of

880
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: took the wind out of their sales. Um. I feel

881
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 1: the defense is playing better on third and long. We're

882
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: not giving up the go routes and zone like we

883
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: did in the beginning of the season, which is really nice.

884
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: That means we're able to run mayn end zone. Um.

885
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: You guys mentioned Chris McAllister earlier in Yeah, got to

886
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: coach him in high school. Absolutely wonderful kid. Great athlete too,

887
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: just just a wonderful guy. He was picked in the

888
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: first round. Second dB off the board trivia question? Do

889
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: you remember the first dB off the board that year?

890
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: What year would that have been? I think two thousand

891
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: and one. Try to do it without looking it up. No,

892
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna look it up here, two thousand and one.

893
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: But was working in ten two thousand and one? And

894
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: what number did McAlister look? Eleven? Might have gone at eleven,

895
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: top ten pick two thousand and one Champ Bailey that

896
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 1: year that Bailey ming being robbed. Phillips goes through Marquis game. Chris,

897
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: had you have a Ohio State to put him on

898
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: the map? He shut down to Marquis receiver? Do you

899
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:26,439
Speaker 1: remember who that was against USC Ohio State? I'm saying

900
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: is that Joey Galloway was already Yeah, so I'm thinking

901
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: Markey wide receiver? Two thousand and one. David Boston. When

902
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 1: was David Boston? There you go, Brian brought us. Okay,

903
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 1: let's shoot another one at us, all right? Coach, al right, coach?

904
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: That was you know what? Yeah? The way I like this,

905
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: the thought about the tight ends and the point of

906
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: attack and getting the guards and the tackles and the

907
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: centers everybody around. That's that's really key. You know what

908
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: kills those plays, penned tration, penetration if they're able to

909
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: can continue to get some type not talking about they

910
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: have to get movement like you know, you would you know,

911
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: get them to three yards off the ball, But they

912
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: could just maintain the leverage, maintain position and allow these

913
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: these tackles and these guards and these centers to get around. Yeah,

914
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: Zeke's gonna find way. Zeke's got that sneaky ability to

915
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: when it looks like a really small area, he kind

916
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: of squirts for an extra four or five yards a

917
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 1: closer you get to the sidelines. So yeah, I'm I'm

918
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: I'm all for that. Those guys can continue to block

919
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: that way, then keep running the ball that way. You

920
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: don't think it was counter place. Think about this with

921
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin. It's probably the first time he's been asked

922
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: to block. Yeah, he wasn't at Oklahoma State, not at all.

923
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: He was off the line, tight end wide receiver and

924
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: basically was a tall wide receiver. It's the way Oklahoma

925
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: State plays. Yeah, and he didn't it didn't play last year. Yeah, basically,

926
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,959
Speaker 1: so you know, maybe five four or five six games

927
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: in he's maybe kind of getting the hang of it

928
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 1: a little bit. Can I ask a question though, I

929
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: mean not not a question I normally have, but a

930
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: question question would you're talking about Blake? But is there

931
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: is there any merit to trying to play a little

932
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: to try and get Dalton Schultz going at all? I

933
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: mean we've seen and I'm just asking if it's talking.

934
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not talking if it's gonna be rico

935
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: and swinging. And you drafted Schultz, you getting and Mickey,

936
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: you made a good point about Dalton Schultz block and

937
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: have been asked a block, But has he made the

938
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: plays down the field? Is he? I mean, is it

939
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: if you're if you're an opportunity, if you're getting if

940
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: you're getting just one of something. And I Am not

941
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 1: trying to hurt the kid here, I'm just saying, though

942
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: you did draft Dalton Schultz to be a blocker, and

943
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 1: and the way that they've thrown some of these rookies

944
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: out there, you know, Layton vander esh and then you

945
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: know we're starting to hopefully you get the wide receiver going.

946
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: Is it worth it to say Okay, if you're not

947
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: getting totally at the total package out of to go

948
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 1: ahead and give Dalton Shoults some of those snaps, because

949
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: it's a good question because but just because he's been

950
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: inactive doesn't mean they haven't given up on Dalton shouts.

951
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,919
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, though, is it have you seen enough?

952
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: Have you seen enough? And again Mickey made a good

953
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 1: point about the guy has never blocked. I'm not too

954
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: much Scholtz. I'm talking about Jarwin, but have you seen

955
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: enough of him to say, Wow, you know he's maybe

956
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: holding up what you're gonna what you could get from

957
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: Dalton Sholtz? Well, yeah, I mean and he did it.

958
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: He had a nice block on the Dack touchdown run.

959
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: He sure did. He blocked two in that play. But

960
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: you know that you were hoping he'd give you more.

961
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: In the passing game. Down the field, he had an

962
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: opportunity to make it catch deep catch, dropped it off

963
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: his hand. If you could have a blocker or a catcher,

964
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: which one would you take? Right now? God, I mean

965
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: you kind of need but another option in the past,

966
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: aren't take it? Somewhat disappointed in Schultz's blocking though, coming

967
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: out of training camp. Yeah, he is. He is not

968
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: he had not play, he has not played, or he

969
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: did not show what he's shown. I was able to

970
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: show at Stanford that that part of it has been

971
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: that part of it itself is part of his blocking.

972
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 1: Did he not do? Is he not strong at the

973
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: point of attack? The problem? The problem where maybe they're

974
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: working with him on that. Yeah, I mean, I you know,

975
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: when you when you don't, when you don't, uh, when

976
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 1: you don't get when you're not active, then you're generally

977
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 1: a scout team guy. So I'm just saying, do they

978
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: do they figure out like, Okay, listen, we we're not

979
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: Let's let's see if we can get this guy going.

980
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: Let's see if we can. You know, it's like the

981
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: Michael gallup there. I keep saying that, but Mickey's right

982
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: about that. Get him the football, try to get him going.

983
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: You know, see if you can kind of take the

984
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: learning curve for Layton Vanderesh is zero. The learning curve

985
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: looks like for everybody else is a little bit so.

986
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: But how you know, how do you do that? You

987
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: you play him if you feel good about Swain and

988
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: Rico seems to be going up in his ability, you know,

989
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: does does having does having Schultz getting reps working as

990
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: a blocker, and maybe they feel like that since he's

991
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: been active, that that he's improved his strength a little

992
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: bit and maybe he's improved his technically. That's what I'm wondering.

993
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: Maybe they maybe he's working in more in the weight room. Yeah,

994
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: he's getting now, and now the game isn't too you

995
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 1: know now the game. It's hard to believe that a

996
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,919
Speaker 1: player from Stanford would be the game would be too big.

997
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: But you know, early on he looked like the game

998
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 1: was too big. Well, but I think Bill said it.

999
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,439
Speaker 1: I think just you watch him in practice. He wasn't

1000
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,720
Speaker 1: as strong at the point of attack then maybe you expected.

1001
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 1: How about those times and the one on the compete thing,

1002
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,439
Speaker 1: they were like one oh, but the other thing the ground.

1003
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: The other thing to remember about him is that he's

1004
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: younger than the other tight end. He's two years younger

1005
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: than everybody else. He's twenty two years old, right. I

1006
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: just looked up Jarwin's twenty four, Swains twenty five, and

1007
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: Rico's twenty four. It's a little like Connor Williams. Give

1008
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: him an off season, you know, give full off yea,

1009
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: and they've thrown Connor Williams out there. And I hear

1010
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: your point, because what Jason Garrett always says is that

1011
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: young guys need to play. The only way they're gonna

1012
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 1: get better is to get to play now. But all

1013
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: these guys are young guys. They are The question is

1014
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: has he shown them enough in things we don't see

1015
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 1: to say, hey, we can give him a few reps

1016
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: and he won't hurt us and maybe he can help us.

1017
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 1: I don't know, because you know what with these tight ends,

1018
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: all you're asking him to do is don't number one,

1019
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: don't get run over right in the way, and number

1020
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: two just shield I mean Winton wasn't pancake in and

1021
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: nobody sure right kind of yeah, James Hannon, James Hannah

1022
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: is the one guy that could get into somebody and

1023
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: run a little bit and then if you and you

1024
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: ran with him, he could turn you. But you're Mickey's right,

1025
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: I just you know you you But I just trying

1026
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: to say, okay, how to how to kind of bring

1027
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz back into the mix, you know, and maybe

1028
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: not not make this year a waste for him that

1029
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he is, maybe he's better than Blake

1030
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: Jarwin is a blocker and then you can develop some

1031
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: of the other things. It's a thought for sure. Yeah, yeah,

1032
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: we'll see. We have a lot of good thoughts here

1033
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: on Talking Cowboys, and maybe we'll express them someday, maybe tomorrow,

1034
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: here on Talking count seat. This has been a