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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Lines and Tyne. I'm Spencer Grades.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited for you guys to meet a couple.

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Speaker 1: Of my friends today in town for the NPFL, the

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Speaker 1: National Pro Fishing League, Luke Duncan and fisherman Hunter Bogman.

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Speaker 2: This is going to be exciting.

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Speaker 1: Hunter's got such an incredible story and then Luke is

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Speaker 1: just extremely charismatic and brings a lot to the table.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're you're changing it up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: You've been running express boat.

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Speaker 2: It's it's a big old baby boat. Yeah, it's hot

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Speaker 2: as fast and bigle thamer like it takes for a part. Well,

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Speaker 2: it's running the two fifty it is. Yeah, so it's

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Speaker 2: sixty six sixty sixty six, sixty seven sixty eight.

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Speaker 1: Fenn All, I don't know, man, I've never thought of fish.

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Speaker 2: I'm not that guy. I'm not man. I've seen him drive.

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Speaker 2: He's that guy.

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Speaker 1: You're a kind of hell on wheel.

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Speaker 2: No, he's a bass gun, he is, he is. He's

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Speaker 2: a probably.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, why do you like this beat?

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Speaker 3: Someone?

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Speaker 2: I don't know?

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Speaker 3: Why not?

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Speaker 2: I know I'm the same way.

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Speaker 3: Seventy seventy.

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Speaker 2: I got a lot of buddies like that. They're like,

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Speaker 2: why would you want to go sixty five if you

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Speaker 2: can go seventy five? Like, it doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 1: You gotta see it though, you jump on all these

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Speaker 1: Facebook groups.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, you guys sit there, get your heads. Hey man,

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Speaker 2: my boat on the top seventy four?

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Speaker 1: What am I doing using a twenty.

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Speaker 2: Three and a half pitch? Yama Hall team too? And

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Speaker 2: I tell yeah, you can go down those ra habit

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Speaker 2: holes for a day. What's eye Jack place? And dude,

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Speaker 2: they'll spend endless amounts of money. Well, I think I'm

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Speaker 2: just gonna flash that Yamaha. And I like that. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of that going on now.

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Speaker 1: Dad actually drives me nuts.

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Speaker 2: Well, And I bet, I bet we've got a lot

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Speaker 2: of those in ABT. I bet we've got I bet

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Speaker 2: we got a lot of Listen, I'll tell I bet

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Speaker 2: we got something n PFL. I bet we got something.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you a story about the ABT.

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Speaker 1: So I run a Phoenix and it's got a two

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Speaker 1: fifty Yamaha, and I feel really good about it. And

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Speaker 1: I'm cruising this is on Neely Henry. I'm flying down

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Speaker 1: Neely Henry, and all of a sudden this boat from

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Speaker 1: behind me just goes like I'm sitting still, and I

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Speaker 1: look at the markings on that engine and I'm like

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Speaker 1: two fifty. Huh yeah, I know it's a different hole,

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Speaker 1: but two fifty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. When you get past sitting like, you feel like

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Speaker 2: you're sitting still, end up by a normal like like

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Speaker 2: you're saying two fifty. I fished high school term with

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Speaker 2: my kids the other day. I was about twenty something

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Speaker 2: and we were running like thirty miles. We were way

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Speaker 2: ahead of most of the field again, running sixty five.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's raining, which is and people and loaded

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden a phoenix with a two fifty almahol,

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Speaker 2: same deal, Like we're not even and goes out of

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Speaker 2: sight and I'm like, dude, you're running like eighty plus.

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Speaker 1: At that point, I sat up on my steering wheel

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Speaker 1: like I was a jockey in the derby.

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Speaker 2: I'm like smacking the back. Of course, I'm just oh well,

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Speaker 2: but I'm like where did he come? Because I had

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Speaker 2: looked several times over my shoulder because it's raining and

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Speaker 2: the river's pretty tight on Kentucky, like were we're out?

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Speaker 2: And I didn't want to. You know, there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of tight turns and stuff like, there have been nobody.

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Speaker 2: Nobody had been around forever, and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: this dude just rips Bobby.

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Speaker 1: Once he passed you, there was nobody.

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Speaker 2: There was nobody, there was I didn't see anybody for

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Speaker 2: a very long time after that. But buddy, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: that's not a two fifty, all right, So let's get

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Speaker 2: into the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got a couple of guys that I want

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Speaker 1: you guys to really get to know a little bit.

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Speaker 1: My Hunter Bogman is going to jump in with us.

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Speaker 1: He is an MPFL pro. He's got such an incredible story.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited for you guys to hear a little more

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Speaker 1: about that. And then Luke Duncan, who you know. You

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Speaker 1: were a tournament fisherman for him.

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Speaker 2: Serson.

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Speaker 1: Now you've jumped behind the microphone and really kind of

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Speaker 1: made your niche there, which is good.

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Speaker 2: You have a podcast as well, yes, sir, a low

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Speaker 2: budget live podcast. Yeah, low budget life, not so live

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Speaker 2: more times than not, because I'm I'm old and lazy

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Speaker 2: these days.

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Speaker 1: But you're selling apparel like you have had a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot, a lot of different things. Very fortunate

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Speaker 2: he's out there playing music. Yeah, yeah, I'm only in

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Speaker 2: my own mind.

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Speaker 1: I had the ABT last year because it was the

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Speaker 1: first time I'd ever fished it in the North Division

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Speaker 1: and uh, and I just said to myself, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: if I can funk with Luke duncan. So every time

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Speaker 1: I went up there, you know, Luke, the first time

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Speaker 1: I went up on stage with Luke, he knew exactly

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Speaker 1: who I was. A kid, like, he'll talk and because

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Speaker 1: you know, you put the microphone something, It's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: how did you do it today?

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Speaker 2: We fish fish, We fish real good today. Exactly. They're like, wait,

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Speaker 2: well we we we lost a couple and yeah, we'll

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Speaker 2: see you next time. So all of a sudden.

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Speaker 1: And Luke says to everybody on the live stream, he goes, oh,

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Speaker 1: this guy will talk.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I was like, Buddy, I can't wait, and this is

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Speaker 1: this is Uh. The second event is right after the

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Speaker 1: bass Master Classic happened and you were down there and

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Speaker 1: you did a guest spot where you guys were playing

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Speaker 1: at some barger and Kay had told me the name

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Speaker 1: of one of the songs that they were playing. So

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Speaker 1: I went on the live stream and I was like,

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Speaker 1: you know what I listened to this morning just to

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Speaker 1: get myself fired up, and I mentioned the name of

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Speaker 1: the song and the band that has and I've never

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Speaker 1: seen him stop in his track.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I have been set up. I have

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Speaker 2: been set up. It's rare that I get a curve,

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Speaker 2: but I got a curve.

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Speaker 1: It's a cool moment, though, because I know that. You know.

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Speaker 1: When I go out to fish, I just want to

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Speaker 1: have a good time. I love the tournament scene. I

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Speaker 1: think it's really fun. I think that's why we all

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Speaker 1: get into it. Originally want to go have a good time,

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Speaker 1: try to win some money. But if I don't catch him,

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Speaker 1: I take the swindle approach. If I don't win on

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Speaker 1: the water, I'm gonna win on that stage. That's it

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Speaker 1: because I want people to go. Man, that guy was interesting.

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Speaker 1: He was funny.

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Speaker 2: Remember that was on the FLW tour because I called

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Speaker 2: him way fewer times than I didn't, right, And so

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Speaker 2: I was the same way. And Gerald's one of my

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Speaker 2: close friends and mentors in life. So I was always like,

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Speaker 2: So I always had to come up with something, and

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Speaker 2: I think that's kind of what started everything that I do. Now.

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Speaker 2: You know, you kind of get quick on your feet

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Speaker 2: and come up with, you know, a little bit of

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Speaker 1: So then, Hunter, I want to go over your story

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Speaker 1: because it'll it'll kind of parlay off of this, like

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Speaker 1: you getting into tournament fishing. But we had dinner the

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Speaker 1: other night with your wife and your daughters, and you

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Speaker 1: were telling me the story. At nine months old, you

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Speaker 1: had bacterial meningitis, that's right, And what ended up happening

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Speaker 1: giving you like some crazy form of CPR to get

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Speaker 1: your breathing in the back of the car.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I stopped breathing on the way there. But

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Speaker 3: one hundred and thirteen degree fever for a couple of days.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't supposed to live. If I lived, i'd be a vegetable.

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Speaker 3: Just a miracle, you know that that I'm alive. And

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Speaker 3: some really good doctors anyway, amputated it below both knees

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Speaker 3: partial fingers on my right. But you know, when you're

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Speaker 3: like that, Luke, you don't have to You don't have

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Speaker 3: to have something crazy to say. We you on stage

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Speaker 3: because you're the short guy. Everybody remembers you.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's like, what's this guy? And then they're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: catch a lot of bass most of the time.

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Speaker 1: But how hard for that was that for you? Coming up?

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Speaker 1: Like you know, eighty A has become a little more

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Speaker 1: popular as time has gone on, Like we were just

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Speaker 1: talking about it. You coming to the radio station. I'm like, well,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't even know where the ramp was.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know where it was. But your life,

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Speaker 1: like you constantly have to kind of look out for

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I do. I don't probably as much

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Speaker 3: just figured out what I need to do when you know,

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Speaker 3: but but you do, you catch yourself, Like I will say,

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Speaker 3: when we park the blue spot, like I could care

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Speaker 3: less if I park in a handicapped spot, but it

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Speaker 3: gives me room to open my door and nobody park

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Speaker 3: next to me where I get back in my truck,

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Speaker 3: and that's really the only reason I ever use one.

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Speaker 3: But you know stuff like that, I mean you, I

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Speaker 3: guess you think about it and don't even realize you're

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Speaker 3: thinking about it a lot of times.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's impressive what you're able to do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you get out on the water and uh,

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Speaker 1: you wax they're at I mean.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes but I watch your social media.

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Speaker 1: I see you set the hook and it's like you're

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Speaker 1: jacking their jaws. I'm surprised those fish come back alive,

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Speaker 1: to be honest, because you hit him with crazy the fury, Dude,

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Speaker 1: the Fury.

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Speaker 2: We covered Hunter the first ever day on NPFL Live,

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Speaker 2: so five years ago when we started lak you following,

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Speaker 2: I tell us Hunter is going to be on camera,

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Speaker 2: and he smashed him. That day was in the top ten.

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Speaker 2: I believe it has a great day. But I'm like,

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Speaker 2: and i'd never seen him fish. I've seen his social

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Speaker 2: media stuff and we get five hours with him over

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Speaker 2: his shoulder right, and he is just blistering that list

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Speaker 2: And it doesn't matter if it's a spinning rod, if

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Speaker 2: he's throwing his gig at him, whatever it is, he

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Speaker 2: is just absolutely just like you said, laying the wood

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Speaker 2: to him every time, and I'm like, what am I

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Speaker 2: doing with my life? This guy is.

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Speaker 1: Your saw press process when you hook one?

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Speaker 2: But money is.

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Speaker 1: It literally to jack their faces as you treat every

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Speaker 1: fish like it's a frog fish at that times?

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Speaker 3: Really though, seriously, I don't have the height the leverage,

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Speaker 3: Well, it's definitely not. Watch the next three days on

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Speaker 2: Now he does fish the Arkansas around a little rock

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Speaker 3: Well they're like two pounds and we're really excited.

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Speaker 2: It right now.

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Speaker 3: End up being in forth. Yeah, it was a shock,

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Speaker 3: I had nineteen and a half the last day. I

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Speaker 3: If I don't know it's gonna be closed?

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Speaker 2: It's gonna of course.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I was like, oh gosh, I'm nervous now.

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Speaker 3: But yeah it did. Like you don't know, that's by

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Speaker 3: when they're coming. I won like a mister bast Arkansas

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Speaker 3: had no idea Like it was on Lake Millwood, where

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Speaker 1: I feel like, though, and Luke, you could probably back

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Speaker 2: I think preconceived notions. That's what they talk about. The

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Speaker 2: when you least expect it. Why do you think that is?

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Speaker 2: I think you fish freer, right, Yeah, you got an

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Speaker 2: of oh, I've got fifty way points from where I've

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Speaker 1: Bites Guys when they go out to a lake for

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I think so. I mean that's like

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Speaker 3: that's what I'm going to do. And a lot of

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Speaker 3: win all of them, I'll be but man, a three

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Speaker 2: And that's yeah, multi day tournaments too. Yeah, like you're saying,

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Speaker 3: Like I've wanted. I've been on Brad from the beginning

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Speaker 3: of the n PFL, like I want to go to

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Speaker 3: Little Rock. I know it will probably never happened, but

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Speaker 3: I'm like that I'd be a nervous trict, like because yeah, gosh,

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Speaker 3: you think of all this stuff. I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 3: there's so much knowledge a local guys to think about

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Speaker 1: But it does bite you.

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Speaker 2: Eight hours is not long in a bast tournament. It

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Speaker 1: When you're when you're most of my tournaments feel like forever.

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Speaker 2: If I'm if I'm not saying, oh gosh, it's already,

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Speaker 2: I was going to say it's it's opposite for me.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's blast off at daylight and then

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Speaker 2: it's lunch. When you're not catching them, you're like, whoa, whoa,

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Speaker 2: hang on, you got to be in two hours. I

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Speaker 1: When you're in any sort of the team deal, and

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Speaker 2: It's like, I want that to be us. Yes, you know,

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Speaker 2: somebody's got them. Yeah, we get get to catch them.

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Speaker 1: Back there, to go back to kind of Hunter's story

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Speaker 1: a little bit, all these challenges that you've had since

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Speaker 1: you were nine months old, how'd you get into fishing?

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Speaker 3: Gosh, it's all my family did. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: So it's all I've ever known. Like I don't remember

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Speaker 3: like that was where I spent a lot of my

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Speaker 3: I don't that's all I've known. Like if that's I

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Speaker 3: You're just you're going fishing.

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Speaker 1: Was there a time, and this is highly personal, but

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Speaker 1: was there a time in your life in a fishing

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Speaker 1: tournament when you realized I'm different, Like what I'm doing

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Speaker 3: No, not really, because I felt like I was always like,

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Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, when I started tournament fishing, we

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Speaker 3: got our tails kicked for like three or four years

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Speaker 3: for whatever might check. But I didn't feel like there

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Speaker 3: a fish? But no, I think what clicked with me

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Speaker 3: is being away somewhere and somebody being like, hey, I

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Speaker 3: know you. I fished a tournament against you, and then

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Speaker 3: it's like, man, you kicked my ask remember you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean. That's where it's like, man, maybe I

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Speaker 1: You know, man, we had such a cool moment the

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Speaker 1: other night, Luke. We were all sitting down at this

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Speaker 1: I mean he was what fourteen years old?

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Speaker 3: Hun probably Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He just walks up and shows the utmost respect. He

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Speaker 1: mister Hunter, I just want.

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Speaker 2: To say good luck this week. That's awesome.

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Speaker 1: But the look on Hunter's face was like do I

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: Do I owe you money?

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Speaker 2: It was it was so cool.

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Speaker 1: To witness that happened. Because you're not from Alabama, you're

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Speaker 1: a sudden, you got somebody coming up who sees you,

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Speaker 1: and for him, he's probably seeing like an idol of

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Speaker 3: It's so extremely weird to me, you know, that anybody

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Speaker 3: you know, but but it's it's very It's it's an

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Speaker 2: It's so cool.

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Speaker 1: I had been driving by. Hunter and I have known

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Speaker 1: try to We're going to try to do dinner later,

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Speaker 1: because we had talked before you got here about like, hey,

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I look down there's a

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Speaker 3: He's like between me and and Spencer. Spencer's like, you

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Speaker 3: want to go to dinner?

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Speaker 2: And this guy's like he's like, who's talking?

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Speaker 1: Like he can't, Like God is talking, Donner And he's

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Speaker 1: like yeah. But then we had to stop the conversation

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Speaker 1: because all these semis were driving by, like can't hear you?

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Speaker 2: Hang on?

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Speaker 1: And then he tells me did He's like, I got

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Speaker 2: Did the other guy show up?

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Speaker 3: I just idled back there and like I was had

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Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, and I spun to leave and he goes, no, no,

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Speaker 3: you're good, and I dropped the troll motor and we

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Speaker 3: somebody's above me screaming. He's going, He's like, what is It's.

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Speaker 1: Like, this last forty five seconds of my life is

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Speaker 1: so bazaar. I had no idea.

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Speaker 3: What you know?

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Speaker 1: You brought up how he's bank fishing. You almost ran

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Speaker 1: the amount of tournaments that are out there, is what

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Speaker 3: Well, I wouldn't have went anywhere around him if I

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Speaker 3: my day getting very zoned out on my phone when

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Speaker 3: I'm there.

438
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Speaker 1: I just I hate like some of these videos that

439
00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,200
Speaker 1: I see. Well, man, you have pros and they sit

440
00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,520
Speaker 1: there and they go, hey, I don't come to your

441
00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,760
Speaker 1: job and blah blah, and I'm sitting there going, dude,

442
00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,919
Speaker 1: it's a public lake. Oh you're not going down to zero.

443
00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,040
Speaker 2: I'll tell you of somebody some track. Yeah, I think

444
00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,040
Speaker 2: common practices. You just kind of get them room right, Like,

445
00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:25,719
Speaker 2: I don't care if you're fishing from a bank, you're

446
00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:27,959
Speaker 2: fishing from a pontoon, a kayak. If I'm in a tournament,

447
00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:29,720
Speaker 2: you're on a spot, you got just as much right

448
00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,200
Speaker 2: to be there. It's played on public waters. We talked

449
00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:33,639
Speaker 2: about it all time. It's one of the risks we

450
00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,119
Speaker 2: take right when you when you enter a tournament. You

451
00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,159
Speaker 2: never know what's gonna happen when you roll out, especially

452
00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,399
Speaker 2: on a Saturday, right like, we're gonna fish the Koosa

453
00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:45,399
Speaker 2: River this Saturday, beautiful Saturday in Alabama. There're gonna be

454
00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,320
Speaker 2: some bass boats out there. They're gonna be some pontoons,

455
00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:48,800
Speaker 2: wakeboard ky be told.

456
00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,840
Speaker 1: Though, on the flip side, I'm not a real big

457
00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,119
Speaker 1: fan of the guy who wakes up with the sole

458
00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,240
Speaker 1: reason to go fish a spot or another pro Oh yeah,

459
00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,000
Speaker 1: that has only d you're out there fishing, you're having it.

460
00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,960
Speaker 2: Those people definitely exist, unfortunately because they I don't know

461
00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,320
Speaker 2: if it's a competitive thing. They like to tell their buddies.

462
00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,760
Speaker 2: All I could have won this big pro tournament. Those

463
00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,879
Speaker 2: guys aren't that good of fishermen, that type thing. But

464
00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,359
Speaker 2: a guy sitting there, crappy fishing next to a bridge

465
00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,040
Speaker 2: off a bank, He's just enjoying his Saturday morning. Man,

466
00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,240
Speaker 2: I'm not and trying to catch a few for dinner.

467
00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,640
Speaker 2: Probably I'm not. I'm not trying to interfere with that

468
00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,639
Speaker 2: when I get so awkward with a Gunnersville. Gunnershill is

469
00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,600
Speaker 2: the world's worst because there are tons of causeways right,

470
00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,960
Speaker 2: and you've got tons of people that line those causeways

471
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,080
Speaker 2: bank fishing. But to get in and out of most

472
00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,280
Speaker 2: of the major creeks, you have to go by them.

473
00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:40,000
Speaker 2: And I'm I'm petrified always because I'm like, I'm sorry,

474
00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,199
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you're and they get almost a lot of

475
00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,080
Speaker 2: times on the bank, they get very upset that you're

476
00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,800
Speaker 2: even coming through there. Sure, but that that's trick. I'm

477
00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,879
Speaker 2: not pulling up to fish. I'm just trying to pass through.

478
00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,400
Speaker 2: But I've been in some situations where that gets kind

479
00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:52,720
Speaker 2: of tense.

480
00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,120
Speaker 1: Gutters Fill is a different breed too, because it's a

481
00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,280
Speaker 1: spot specific it's an area specific lake compared to like

482
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Speaker 1: well I can run this pattern for sure, whatever.

483
00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:02,120
Speaker 2: I mean sure if.

484
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,879
Speaker 1: You're in Seabold or if you're in South Saudi and

485
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,800
Speaker 1: that's where the majority of boats are. I mean, that's

486
00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,600
Speaker 1: what they tell you. Is like, if you don't see

487
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,800
Speaker 1: boats around you on Gunnersville you're fishing.

488
00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,720
Speaker 2: You're lost most of the time. Yeah, you're lost. You're

489
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,959
Speaker 2: either blowing a tournament out by twenty pounds or you're

490
00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 2: dead last most of the time. You got to share

491
00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,320
Speaker 2: the story about that guy that was primy fishing.

492
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:31,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so that you fallow. I caught most of

493
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:36,359
Speaker 3: my fish on colverts high water, yeah, or fish, and

494
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 3: I rolled thirty miles to one down the lake like

495
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 3: because they were so far. I was running fifty dolls

496
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,639
Speaker 3: a day, just try to get to all these. So

497
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 3: I rolled like thirty miles down the lake and I

498
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 3: pull in. There's a dude on a bucket sitting on

499
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 3: fishing this covert. I'm like, god, that comment, and I said, hey, man,

500
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 3: do you mind if I fish? Because he's like dropping

501
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 3: right here and I wanting to throw you out in

502
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 3: front of it. He said, what are you fishing for?

503
00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:01,639
Speaker 3: I said, bass, Okay, you're good, And so I start fishing.

504
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 3: And he's talking to me and he starts telling me,

505
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,439
Speaker 3: have you ever fished that bank over there? And I'm like,

506
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, sir, we can't have information, you know, the

507
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 3: whole spill and try to not make Himbay mad, you know.

508
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 3: And he he's like, okay, here in a man. He's like,

509
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:18,959
Speaker 3: there's a brush file right there in front of you.

510
00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 3: Now the lakes what nine feet high? Like there's so

511
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 3: much woods. And I said, I appreciate, I really can't

512
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 3: have any information. And he just kept on right out there,

513
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 3: right out there, like five or six times, right, So

514
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 3: he's like, please throw at it. So I finally just

515
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,119
Speaker 3: throw and wind it back in. It's a jig like

516
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 3: I just hit the water and I wind in just

517
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,679
Speaker 3: to appease him so he'll quit, right. We talked for

518
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,239
Speaker 3: ment longer and I said, I said, all right, I'm

519
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 3: about to go your way. He goes, yeah, I gotta

520
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 3: go too. And he stands up and he's got a

521
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 3: gun holstered. Don't think a lot about it. He's in

522
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 3: the middle of the woods on side of the Internstate.

523
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 3: He pulls it right and he like and he picks

524
00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 3: up and shoots in front of my boat and it

525
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 3: all happened so quick. I like, grab the troller motor,

526
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 3: but I was a little bit curious at what he

527
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 3: was doing.

528
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's happening?

529
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 3: And he shoots and he looks at me. He shoots

530
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 3: out there where he've been pointing. He looked at me.

531
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 3: He goes brush pile and he turned on walk.

532
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,439
Speaker 1: Home like that's how he's.

533
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 3: Away.

534
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 2: Point like, what just happened at that point?

535
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 1: Do you stay.

536
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 3: Or I'm yeah, I'm like I'm going.

537
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 2: He ran very fast away from there. The mercury was

538
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 2: crack well.

539
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: I love the fact that you're both here and you know,

540
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: the m p f L is what you're fishing hunter,

541
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 1: and you do a lot of m seeing for, and

542
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 1: I mean you do it for everybody, a BT m

543
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,959
Speaker 1: p f L. You got your podcast, you got all

544
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 1: that stuff. I want to talk about the differences in

545
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: some of these tournament trails because I feel like after

546
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 1: bass Master made their announcement of how they were going

547
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 1: to handle ford facing Sonar, I feel like they kind

548
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: of left a lot on the MPFL strictly, no sonar,

549
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 1: you can't have ford face ford facing, And then you

550
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: have Major League Fishing, which has always kind of been

551
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Uh, you can use it here,

552
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 1: you can't use it here, you know, do it by

553
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: the periods and all that kind of stuff. And then

554
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: bass Master was pretty much you can have it, just

555
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: have you know, limitations on screen size and how many

556
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 1: transducers you're allowed to have. I kind of wish that

557
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: they would have gone full bore and just given now

558
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 1: three platforms at a quote professional level, to where you

559
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: have one saying you can't use it.

560
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 2: You can kind of use it. You can use it

561
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 2: as much as you.

562
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: Want, a lot of options, right, Like, yeah, give somebody

563
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: an option, because you have so many guys that are

564
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: coming up in high school and college where all they

565
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: know is Ford facing.

566
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 2: It's true, very true.

567
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 1: What's your opinions on how these organizations kind of lay

568
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 1: it out? What was the appeal of the MPFL compared

569
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: to an MLF for a bass master.

570
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 3: I liked what the NPFL stood for when it first

571
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 3: started and what it still stands for. You know, it

572
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 3: was nothing to do with electronics when it started. It

573
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 3: was starting a new league, giving some guys like myself

574
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 3: a chance that hadn't qualified for one of these other

575
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 3: leagues but had the means to be able to do it, since.

576
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 1: You try to qualify for the elites for the BPT.

577
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 3: No, I fished toyotas, but I'd never A lot of

578
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 3: times I wouldn't fish a full series. I fished one

579
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,479
Speaker 3: or too close to the house. And sure bfl's were

580
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 3: always the same thing for me. I think I fished

581
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 3: like thirty bfls and I fished two seasons of them.

582
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 1: I mean, so, then why did you make the decision

583
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 1: to go for the MPFL, because I mean, that's that's

584
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 1: a seven to eight tournament deal.

585
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's six tournaments.

586
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, six.

587
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 3: It's what I wanted to do, Like, I wanted to

588
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 3: be fish full time at some point. And when I

589
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 3: saw it advertised, I sent in an application. I was like,

590
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 3: well whatever, you know, I didn't at that point. I

591
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 3: built some backing through sponsors, but not a ton and

592
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 3: I sent it in and I remember exactly where I

593
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 3: was when Brad called me. He was like We had

594
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 3: like an hour long conversation and then he said you're in,

595
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh gosh. Which that was in twenty twenty.

596
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 3: We still had like almost a year before we started fishing,

597
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 3: and I said, all right, well, now I need to

598
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 3: see how much backing I really have, you know. And

599
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 3: big props for my parents. Actually, if they stepped up

600
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 3: the first year, they said, we'll help you one year

601
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 3: like starting a business, you know, we'll kickstart you, but

602
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 3: then you're gonna have figured out by a year two.

603
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 3: And I was able to but that it just it

604
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 3: kind of fit, you know, like it's I just hadn't

605
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 3: done the opens and it just hadn't worked out, and

606
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 3: it was it was a good fit. And since then

607
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 3: the electronics, the whole four facing deals come to existence.

608
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 3: I think I was telling you the other night dinner,

609
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 3: it doesn't really matter to me. Like I'm a Arkansas

610
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 3: river guy. I never thought I would a fun day

611
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 3: of fishing would be offshore. But I can tell you

612
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 3: right now, if I go home and go fun fishing,

613
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 3: it's with life Scope. I love it, love it, like

614
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 3: I won't do anything else for fun fishing.

615
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear a life Scope is actually going to

616
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: get attacked by Congress soon, like on a national level.

617
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: But because they've already I mean there's already states that

618
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 1: are walking away from it and kind of saying like

619
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: we can't have this in this but as far as

620
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: the tournament scale of the tournament trail is considered. Where

621
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: there're no live scope, no forward facing, that just fits

622
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: your style better.

623
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I love doing it, but gosh, I

624
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 3: mean I've spent my I'm thirty eight, I spent twenty

625
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 3: years on the Arkansas River. Like I can definitely fish

626
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 3: without it. That's, you know, no issue. It doesn't matter

627
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 3: either way, I will say, And I've never I've never

628
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 3: done an interview and grapped about it anything like that.

629
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 3: Like I've I've been pretty quiet because I'm good. It

630
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 3: didn't matter to me. I'm here to fish. But I

631
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 3: will say last year, towards the end of the year,

632
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 3: when we knew it was probably gonna be banned this year,

633
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 3: there was a couple of tournaments I loved dragging a

634
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 3: little jigger around and I caught myself doing it and thinking, gosh,

635
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 3: I'm probably getting beat even though I'm catching averaged above

636
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 3: average fish. And it was almost like, I wish we

637
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 3: didn't have that to fishkins. But that's not whining, Like

638
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 3: I could have went and done it too. Pickwick was

639
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 3: a really good example because the first year we went

640
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 3: to Pickawick in July, I don't remember. It was like

641
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 3: ten pounds a day.

642
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: May check and yeah I had gosh, I averaged like

643
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: twelve and a half pounds a day last year at

644
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 2: Pickwick and I couldn't figure the lifscope deal out.

645
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 3: And that's my biggest downfall is Tensee River. But man,

646
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 3: I did it in little creeks and stuff with a jig,

647
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 3: and like I had, I would have been tickled with

648
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 3: that tournament the first time. And I know the fishery

649
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: is a little healthier, but I remember leaving there going, Man,

650
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: I think I fished a really good tournament. I got

651
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 3: my teeth kicked and finished in the sixties, I think

652
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 3: or seventies.

653
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 2: And god, that's Pickwick for a lot of people, for sure.

654
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 3: But that's kind of when I was like, I don't know,

655
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 3: a little break from it might be all right, but

656
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 3: I'll be honest, like I fished the river a lot

657
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 3: at home lately than these. And I went the other

658
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 3: day just because I hadn't picked the one off those

659
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 3: floating around in thirty foot of water in two months.

660
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 3: And it was fun.

661
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 2: It's a good time. It's a good time for sure.

662
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: So Luke is somebody who's been involved with FLW and

663
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: now am seeing as much as you do. What do

664
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: you think the perfect balance is for a ford facing

665
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: on a trail.

666
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 2: I'll be honest, I liked the move bass Master made

667
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: because he'll tell you I've been involved with m PFL

668
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: since twenty twenty before we ever had our first tournament,

669
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,479
Speaker 2: and when they came to me and said we're banning it,

670
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: the word band kind of makes me nervous when it

671
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,239
Speaker 2: comes to the outdoors, you know, being an outdoors when

672
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: since I was, you know, a kid, and that was

673
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: my suggestion was, Hey, well let's not you know, let's

674
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 2: not just rip the band aid all the way off.

675
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: What if we did we have six terms be perfect?

676
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: What if you did three with three without and they

677
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: didn't want to do that. I feel like it was

678
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 2: the best decision for them, though as a brand, I

679
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: will I think you know, I.

680
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: Are hearing band, like, I get what you're saying about band,

681
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: but that's not really what they're trying to do. They

682
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: were trying to be. They were trying to be as

683
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: they were, the third dog to the.

684
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: Bull, that's right. They're also trying to be the first

685
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: to go. We're to try to get into the first,

686
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: and you've got to you've got to stand for something,

687
00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 2: right And they were like, hey, this is going to

688
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: be our new and they jumped out before anybody else

689
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: made a decision September last year. This is going to

690
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: be what twenty twenty five and beyond's gonna look like.

691
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: And they had to roll through some struggles.

692
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and still, I mean it's it's been a struggle

693
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: for five years. Honestly, there's always changes right in the industry.

694
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: You said third dog to the bowl. To me, I

695
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 2: do like the mix of it because I'm not a

696
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: I really appreciate what some of the younger guys are

697
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: doing with it. I feel like it's an unfair argument

698
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: to say it's not fishing, or an unfair argument to

699
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: say they're not better, because my thing is. And He'll

700
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 2: tell you this, everybody's got everybody's got it. There's a

701
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: very small percentage of some of these guys though, that

702
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: are monumentally better than the rest. And that's the same

703
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: as Hunter is with a jig, or Gerald Swindle is

704
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: a skipping or Greg Hackney is at fishing cypertrio. So

705
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: it's a it's a skill set right now. And it's

706
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 2: like you said the younger guy. They grew up with it.

707
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: I can't fault them because it's how they learned to

708
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: bass fish. And I've got thirty years of doing other

709
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 2: things right before lipscope was a was a thing. So

710
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: I like the hybrid I schedule.

711
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: I do like the way the bass Master did it.

712
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: It was fun.

713
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: I like the fact that they didn't say, like, well,

714
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: this lake, we're not going to do it like the

715
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: coin flip and having Yeah. But if you look at

716
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: how those the schedule laid out, every single one of

717
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: those lakes that they like, everybody knows other than Champlain.

718
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: Champlaine will be the wild card for him next year,

719
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: but it's such a good lake they're still going to

720
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: catch up.

721
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: Cool to see it that generates.

722
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: Because it's just been dominated by livescope the last few years.

723
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know where we're headed with any

724
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 2: of it. Obviously, none of us have a crystal ball.

725
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: I think it's an amazing technology. Is it hurting fisheries,

726
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't speak to that. We're seeing

727
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: the craziest waits we've ever seen you and I see

728
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: it on the ABT all the time.

729
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: It's somebody else's back.

730
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: But we see fisheries are are kicking out massive, massive weights, which.

731
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,959
Speaker 1: Is why I've always been a fan of ford facing

732
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: sonar because the rules clearly state go out and catch

733
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: the five fish that you can find.

734
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: The rules. We'll playing within the rules as long as

735
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: it and that's my thing. As long as it's within

736
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 2: the rules of the organization, your fish, and then then

737
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: then let's go. Now.

738
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: I did throw out an idea that I thought would

739
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: be good for a tournament trail and if bass Master

740
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: wanted to do this or any of the other ones

741
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: wanted to, I was all about, like, give an angler

742
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: every opportunity to go find fish, locate fish, catch fish

743
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: all throughout practice. Let them use s ford facing, three

744
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: sixty sides, scan down, scan two d you name it,

745
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: flashers if they want. But then tournament day all you

746
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: get is your map card, turn it off. Yeah, and

747
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 1: that's it.

748
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: I think from a fan standpoint, they would enjoy a

749
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 2: tournament that's electronics free with no practice. Do you see

750
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: that a lot in comments? And that's kind of that

751
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 2: MLF the TV style of MLF right not fishes. Would

752
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: you want something like that?

753
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 3: It wouldn't bother me. I don't know that i'd want

754
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 3: the electronics in practice though, Like if we're going to practice,

755
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: I think we just take it away. That's gonna mess

756
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 3: you up. I mean it could help at times, but

757
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 3: at times you're gonna be going back trying to catch

758
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 3: fish and you can't catch without them, That's true. I

759
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: mean I prepracticed here and in use livescope, you know,

760
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 3: and I marked a bunch of brush, but like, I

761
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 3: don't even hardly fish it because I'm like, I'm not

762
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 3: as effective fisherman before scow. But that's a crash and

763
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh gosh, this is terrible. I think I'll

764
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 3: go back to the bank.

765
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: And that's why it's a crapshoot because at least a bank,

766
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: you have somewhat of a boundary. If you're a fishing

767
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: a brush pile, Like let's say you're on Lake Laneer,

768
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: You're in sixty foot of water and there's a brush pile.

769
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: You don't really see that unless you're on live scope.

770
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: You can pick it up on side scan. But if

771
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: you're going to go into a tournament, try to fish

772
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: that brushpile like that would be asinine unless you knew

773
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: exactly how you were going to position and get them.

774
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Sixty foot and you're just throwing a mino

775
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: overtop or trying to get down there with a jig.

776
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,239
Speaker 2: You spend a lot of time, and guys used to

777
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: they were good at that. But I could also get

778
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: around this country with a with an atlas yeah, right,

779
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: truck and not Google Google masks right and half on that.

780
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: But it's but now I'm like, man, I can't see anyway,

781
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: of course, and it was the size of it, yeah,

782
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: I mean I could get around, and now it's like,

783
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 2: if this thing's not working, I'm in trouble. I think

784
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: we're all kind of conditioned, especially fishing brush and certain things.

785
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: When you've had live scope for a few years, the

786
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: task of fishing brush sounds really daunting. If I can't

787
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: see my bait go right in it and what's going on,

788
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: I'll be.

789
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: The first tell you I was terrible offshore fishman. I

790
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 3: still am. I mean, like, if I'm gonna go fish brush,

791
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 3: I'm fixing the drop of booty. I mean that's yeah.

792
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of guys in the comments

793
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: that would love to see that. They'd love to see

794
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: somebody go out with a marker and put it down

795
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: for sure, And my people used to do it.

796
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,479
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think bass fishing it's it's always kind

797
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: of been meat and potatoes, right. I think that's the

798
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: easiest way to put it. People have to go throw

799
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: a spinner bait. They like to go throw a buzz bait,

800
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: throw a jig. That's how a lot of us grew

801
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 2: up bass fishing. So that is bass fishing to a

802
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: large majority of the fans. And so this new stuff

803
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: that has came, even a lot of the ones complaining,

804
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 2: I feel like they have it on their boats and

805
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 2: they're not effective with this. They like to grin unfortunately.

806
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 2: Uh but I think what's hurt us? I don't even

807
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 2: think the Livescope argument would be a thing, This is

808
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: my opinion, if if it wasn't so dominated by one technique,

809
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: the jigad minto I think if you had some some

810
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 2: more flair in there, somebody's doing something cool with a

811
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: top water, right, or they're throwing a crank bait, anything

812
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: like hard bait related. We see a jerk bait from

813
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: time time, but some of that kind of bread and butter,

814
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: old school stuff. And if every bait gallery, the top

815
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 2: ten galleries weren't just jig admena jiged mine. I think

816
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: you would not see the criticisms maybe from the fans or.

817
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: The guys that catch those fish on the jig head

818
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: mino and there's no bait.

819
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: It's just that empty huck. I mean, I've seen those pictures.

820
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 2: I think that's why I'll be impressive.

821
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: You were talking about how a lot of guys have

822
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: the ford facing, but they just came up doing the

823
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: meat and potatoes. Ford facing has to be the biggest

824
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 1: change in fishing since the inception of fishing.

825
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: Well, it's definitely the most divisive, I'll say that. Do

826
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 2: you think they can? You think it's the biggest change

827
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: though not to me, and I've talked about this a

828
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: lot and you'll probably back me up on this, but

829
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: being a kid that grew up on the Tennessee River,

830
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 2: the biggest change to me before this that changed everything

831
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: was mapping cards. Map chips changed everything because instead of

832
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 2: going out, it's like that paper map in the truck

833
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: we're talking about, right, Like I grew up fishing with

834
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: my dad, You're running around with a paper map, You're

835
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 2: lying enough stuff on the bank, like, well, I think

836
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 2: this is where this hump's at. Let's try to find this.

837
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 2: You don't have side imaging. That was another big one

838
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: when the when the side imaging hit with the map cards,

839
00:35:58,920 --> 00:35:59,720
Speaker 2: that changed everything.

840
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 1: Let's look at the last fifteen years in professional fishing,

841
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: or the last fifteen years just in fishing. Most of

842
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: those technologies have changed rapidly. Yes, so maybe people are

843
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: feeling now Ford facing sonar is just another flashlight in

844
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: the face that what you knew from fishing with your

845
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 1: papa and what you knew from fishing with your dad

846
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: is not even remotely close to what fishing is now

847
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 1: and what it could potentially become.

848
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 2: And it terrifies people. Just listen. You're in the music world.

849
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 2: You know. People don't like change, man. They don't like

850
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 2: new country versus what was in the nineties versus what

851
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: was in the seventies. You know what I mean?

852
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 1: You know what, the same people that like Whalen were

853
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: calling George Straight a hack and the like George Strait

854
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: are calling Garth Brooks a hack. I mean, now he's

855
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: getting called a hack for other things. You know, But

856
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: you're right, I mean, change is obviously a part of

857
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: it and what we have is now with social media,

858
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: it's gasoline on the fire.

859
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 2: Everybody just wants squeaky wheels. Squeaky wheel They go round

860
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: and round and round, and they got a lot of

861
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: time on their hands. Would see there at a lot

862
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 2: of a lot of time on their hands.

863
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: One of the things that I wanted to kind of

864
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: get into with you guys is we have a lot

865
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: of people who listen to the podcast and they're kind

866
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: of just getting into fishing and tournaments.

867
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: Might kind of freak them out a little bit.

868
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: If you could take five baits and have them on

869
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: your deck no matter where you go in the country,

870
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: what are they?

871
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: Man, I'm going a wacky worm of any kind because

872
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 2: you're gonna get bites. I'm always gonna throw a jig,

873
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 2: which I feel like that's what this guy's going to say.

874
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 2: For sure, some kind of top water based on the

875
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 2: time of the year, but definitely ten months out of

876
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: the year most places you can throw a top water

877
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: unless you're up north. That gives me three. I'm throwing

878
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 2: some kind of crank bait like a DT six. Rapple

879
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 2: of DT six gets a lot of bites, just a

880
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: little small profile crank bait, and then I would have

881
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 2: to say a shaky head. If I'm just going bass

882
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: fish and just try to catch some fish, you got

883
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: to break you ahead with a finet. I mean, just

884
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 2: just getting bites if you're if you're just getting into it, man,

885
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 2: get getting on the water and getting a bite is

886
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: the most important thing.

887
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 1: You have a pretty good mix of finesse and power, yeah,

888
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: which I think a lot of guys, you know, they

889
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: kind of get hung up in one way or the other.

890
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: Like I'm a power fisherman hunter. What are the five.

891
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 3: Gosh, I don't know that I can argue, well that

892
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 3: that's a pretty good lineup.

893
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: Would you put a drop shot in over a shaky head?

894
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 3: I don't think so, do you.

895
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 2: Well, No, I will, I will, I will say it

896
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 2: was it wasn't alternate. I will say I was thinking

897
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: dropshot a little bit.

898
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 3: But the other thing A lot takes his rig. Yeah,

899
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 3: don't say that's not I think the shaky head comes in.

900
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that gives you so much true reaction of what's

901
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: happening under the water, for sure, because if you got

902
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: the right head and you're dragging over rock and you

903
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: come over a piece of wood, and you know, my

904
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: favorite bite for a lot of a lot of shaky

905
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: head fishermen is you come over some rock and it

906
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: drops off that ledge and that's where the fish is

907
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: sitting and they wallop it. I love it. It's like

908
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: feeling a vacuum, just pulling your bait in and then

909
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: you know that you're gonna whack them. I like your list,

910
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 1: I really do. I think the dropshot is the only

911
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: other one that you could put on.

912
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 2: Well it's a bike get Yeah, there's no doubt. I mean,

913
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: my kids, if they were in here right now, they

914
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 2: would say, drop shot, drop shot, drop shot, drop shot. Whacky.

915
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 2: They're here right now, my boy. But they're fifteen and eighteen,

916
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: and they're all about that dropshot life because they get bites,

917
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, you just drag it around.

918
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: A lot of people Hunter have said that you're a

919
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: phenomenal skipper. You can get under docks better than anybody.

920
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: Is that the technique that you truly love the most

921
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 1: or is there one technique that you're just like, man,

922
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: I love doing this.

923
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 3: I don't know that it is skipping. I think I

924
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 3: think the hype maybe the issue was the skipping.

925
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 2: That's a lot to do with that.

926
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 3: I'm really not that great. I spent about fifteen minutes

927
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 3: getting a back lads shout yesterday because I hit a dock.

928
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 1: See it happens to everybody, it does.

929
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, my favorite would be a little finessgy Again,

930
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: it's not really, it's just everywhere. Like I don't really

931
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 3: drag the Compact yet, but I don't. I'm kind of weird,

932
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 3: like I don't drag it, but I don't swim it.

933
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 3: I just kind of hop it lit fall, hop it

934
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 3: lit fall.

935
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: I mean it's paid off. So I wouldn't say that's

936
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: it works very well.

937
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 3: But that's very closely followed by a Hollibody frog. Go.

938
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 3: I love throwing a frog.

939
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: I would say, out of five years of covering you

940
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: on NVFL, yeah, you're all about a frog.

941
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 3: But we just know we'd an opportunity, like you know,

942
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 3: you can throw the jig about it. The frog is

943
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: limited where you get the shin got its places, Yeah,

944
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 3: where it shines, it's limited.

945
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: Well, Jay Lee has always said that, you know he

946
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: went out. I think he took a year and he

947
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: was trying to catch a frog. Is deep into the

948
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: years as he could, and he was catching him. I

949
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: mean when it was like not even close to frog

950
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: and weather. Are you somebody that loves locking a frog

951
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: in your hand and just going to task or do

952
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 1: you really look at water tamp water clarity time of year?

953
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: Are you that dialed in with how you like to fish?

954
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean it. Yeah, yeah, it has to be right,

955
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: I guess, because here's one thing, like, if I'm fishing

956
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 3: water will I've always said this, especially when it gets

957
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 3: hot and pressured, like at home on Argansas River, it's

958
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 3: really tough. I feel like a frog fish will eat

959
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 3: a jig, but a jigfish won't eat a frog. Okay,

960
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 3: so why not just pitched a little jig around and

961
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 3: hop it out because you're gonna catch the same fish

962
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 3: that would aid a frog, But you're not gonna catch

963
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 3: it if you're throwing a frog and it would aid

964
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 3: a gig.

965
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: There's so much less effort that a fish has to

966
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 2: go through to get it. Yeah, that's perfect sense.

967
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: But there's so much less effort a fish has to

968
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: go through to get a jig.

969
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like this time you're at home. I pretty

970
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 3: much don't ever throw top water like I have a

971
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 3: spook for if they come up schooling. Other than that,

972
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 3: I'm gonna start my day with a jig because I

973
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 3: feel like that'll get more bikes.

974
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: Man, why is the spook so good?

975
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 2: It's loud and obnoxious and looks like a bait fish

976
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 2: anything that looks like it's trying to get away from

977
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 2: them at the right time they do not like. It's

978
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: such a like.

979
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: I hate to say this because it is probably one

980
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: of the best top waters of all time. It's such

981
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: a dumb looking bait like there is no flash to it.

982
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: It's literally just a tube with round to head.

983
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: And I've caught as many on a clear just like

984
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: straight clear one as I have the beautiful ones that

985
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: catch your eye when you walk in the tackle store,

986
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: so like it been in a water clarity obviously, but

987
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean it's just that motion in the sound.

988
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: There's a guy that was in FLW pro for years,

989
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: Kim Carver out of Georgia. I've known him for years.

990
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 2: He won.

991
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a fri, he's a machine okay, and he's

992
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 1: an awesome dude.

993
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 2: Well, I went fishing with him when I was living.

994
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: In Georgia and I got on his boat and he

995
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: opens up his box of spooks. There isn't paint left

996
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: on any of them. If I said to him, like, hey,

997
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: can I get a bone color, he'd be like, uh, yeah,

998
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: this is it. And I mean it's worn all the

999
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 1: way down and it hits the same exact way fish

1000
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: hit it, the same exact way. He's throwing braid that

1001
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: looks like a telephone corps. I mean it's thick, and

1002
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: he's like, Man, if I'm not going to catch him

1003
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: on this, I won't catch them. I learned from guys

1004
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: like that, and it blows my mind, like they get

1005
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 1: so comfortable and so confident in how they fish that

1006
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 1: they can catch them with like yeah a ten gan.

1007
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 3: M oh, yeah, it's right, it's all yeah. Confidence is

1008
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 3: a big deal. I've never been to a lake in

1009
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 3: the US that han' etn that an't caught a fish

1010
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: on the green jig. Like there's some hering lakes that

1011
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 3: they don't eat that real good on, but I've caught

1012
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 3: a fish on it. I might put it up after that,

1013
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 3: but I've made it a point to never go to

1014
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 3: a lake that they wouldn't eat, Like that's.

1015
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: Just my confidence. When you're practicing for a tournament, you

1016
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: start getting bites. Do you cut that specific bait off

1017
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: and then hold it for the tournament or are you

1018
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: somebody where you're like, I've got four or five of

1019
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 1: these jigs, I think they'll all act the same. How

1020
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 1: crazy in tune do you get with your baits?

1021
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 3: Oh? No, like a jig especially, man, I've got a

1022
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 3: hundred right now, Like I break five a day off.

1023
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: I feel like, so just know so you don't get

1024
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: picky on like this one feels like it's really working. Well, No,

1025
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: I'm You're not Aaron Martin going.

1026
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 3: Through I'm not counting strand I may be missing stuff,

1027
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 3: but I'm not picking like people tweak their stuff. And

1028
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, I think I'll die on right

1029
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 3: out of the package.

1030
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: What's the craziest for I call it Frankensteining baits that

1031
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: you've done and it's caught fish.

1032
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 3: I used to throw a jig football jig with a

1033
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 3: drop shot makes a jig the way I've never called

1034
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 3: two at once. I've tried something, but you never know

1035
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 3: whether to set the hook for the drop shot or

1036
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 3: like set the hook for the gig.

1037
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: So I lost a lot of it based on you.

1038
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: I know how you're saying it doesn't matter.

1039
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: Regardless as a tournament fisherman, Luke, when you were kind

1040
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: of doing your thing best Frankenstein.

1041
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: Ba Man, I used to throw schooling fish, one of

1042
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 2: my favorite things in the world. I used to throw

1043
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 2: a spook with a piece of mono. So it was

1044
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 2: way before we threw anything on break back then, So

1045
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 2: I thought the spook on monos. It was a lot

1046
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: of stretch, but a little tag of mono off my

1047
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 2: back hook on the spit with a fluke on it

1048
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: with his little zoom super Fluke Junior, So it looked

1049
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 2: like they're kind of chasing each other and you'd catch

1050
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: two at a time sometimes. But but yeah, it was

1051
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: just kind of unders donkey. Yeah, but almost in reverse too,

1052
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 2: because there's front runner. Remember the old Norman front runner

1053
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 2: was this little bait that goes in front of a

1054
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: top order of your choice. But this is why I

1055
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: would do this behind it. Yeah, that was just a

1056
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: random uh I used to the hell lot. I was

1057
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: in college.

1058
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: Spro does these uh frog tournaments on different lakes and

1059
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: they have one Huntersville line. A couple of years ago

1060
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: they had to go back and rework their rules because

1061
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: dudes were Carolina rigging fraud.

1062
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: Yep, I remember that, yeah, and they were smashing them.

1063
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: Guys were punching frogs too, with big ways because you

1064
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 2: have to use a frog but spro frog only. But

1065
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 2: the frog bite wasn't all.

1066
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: It had to be worked like a traditional frog on top.

1067
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: They just said they've changed it now though, right, I mean,

1068
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 2: they've got to be a top lot or you can change.

1069
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: You can't change the legs. All you can do is trim.

1070
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: You can't change the color. It's got to be completely

1071
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: out of the package. Guys buzzbaits in front of them, like,

1072
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: but you know, putting buzz bait blade guys will get creative.

1073
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 2: But Carolina one of them got one, if I remember,

1074
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 2: right on a Carolina rig on one of the famous

1075
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: ledge spots on Gunnersville, like twenty two pounds like Carolina.

1076
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm out here this can you imagine a bass? Yeah,

1077
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: a frog comes floating by on a Carolina.

1078
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: They say they don't have hands. They're gonna be like,

1079
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat that.

1080
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm probably I've never seen that down here. Yeah,

1081
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 2: it's exactly right. I love that though.

1082
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: I think that there should be more tournaments where you

1083
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: can get creative. You know, a lot of guys talk

1084
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: about the tournament schedule and they're like, well they got

1085
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: this and they got that. Well you bash master used

1086
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: to do this kind of thing, and man, I'd love

1087
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: to see some tournaments again where you had ten pounds

1088
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: of tackle that you had to bring, it'll only bring

1089
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: three rods, Like maybe doing those is kind of offshoots

1090
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: would be kind of cool for sure.

1091
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 3: And you can bet talking about the rules, you can

1092
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 3: hand any tournament fishermen set of rules and they're going

1093
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 3: to push it. Absolutely.

1094
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 2: That's a fact every time. Little gray area? Is that

1095
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: what you're talking about here? There's some gray areas every

1096
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: fisher atney. Yeah, yeah, pretty much a lot of them.

1097
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 2: A lot of the ones that win the most money.

1098
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: I feel like are really could really they could get

1099
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 2: you out.

1100
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: Of something, and you gotta be detail oriented. There's a

1101
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: lot of guys where they'll go out and they'll throw

1102
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: the same exact thing as somebody else. But the difference

1103
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: in twelve pound tests a ten pound tests, it's a fact.

1104
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 2: It's a fact. What's the old saying it's hard to

1105
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: catch somebody else's fish? As well, like the confidence, Like

1106
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 2: you mentioned, it's the biggest thing in fishing. I see

1107
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 2: that from either my own experience or covering tournament's. Confidence

1108
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 2: is the number one best lure in your tackle bars.

1109
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 3: It is.

1110
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: I don't care. I mean you put a certain thing

1111
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 2: Like Jason Christie. You're talking about him winning at Grand Lake.

1112
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 2: I was in that tournament and on the co anger side,

1113
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 2: but I got to witness I fished with Ishmunro one

1114
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 2: day two and I witness Jason Christie in his element.

1115
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 2: We were withinside of him and dude, everybody knew where

1116
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: he was catching fish and he's flipping bushes. Nobody was

1117
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: going to catch those fish like like Jason CHRISTI. It

1118
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 2: was just me up the other day that video where

1119
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 2: he was talking about how oh Shannon, Yeah yeah, so yeah.

1120
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 2: I was talking to his wife about that because I'm like,

1121
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 2: I would have been mortified because he was have you seen.

1122
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 1: The video hunter?

1123
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he gets.

1124
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm the most athletic guy in this count.

1125
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 2: I'll hit my arm on Jason. You know, he's basketball like, dude,

1126
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: He's you don't get him going about basketball like he

1127
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: he coached forever, he played forever, and then he coached,

1128
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 2: and yeah, he was so insulted by that.

1129
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 3: It was amazing.

1130
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: It was such a good video because then everybody starts

1131
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: talking about like, well, how athletic are bass fishing? Oh yeah,

1132
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, ask Jason Christie. I'll tell you

1133
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: that they're all athletes.

1134
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 2: He was shook by that. It was amazing. And I'm

1135
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 2: not in a lot of TikTok trends, you know. I'm

1136
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 2: an old dude. I don't know. And my wife was like, oh,

1137
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: you haven't seen those. Those those are everywhere and she's like,

1138
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: we started to do one with you the other day

1139
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 2: by the pool, and I'm like you better, Like, no,

1140
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 2: I would take a lot of.

1141
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: The The big one right now is people try to

1142
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: rage bait you so.

1143
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 3: Off.

1144
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and they get you go. People do a

1145
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 2: good job of that with me a lot of time.

1146
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 2: Hard whether it's the I was gonna say, ye know,

1147
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 2: whether it's the internet or my kids at my house.

1148
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 2: I'm my my freshman in high school. He says, I'm

1149
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 2: rage bating you dad all the time. Like that's that's

1150
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 2: in his vocabulary. I had to look at it. No,

1151
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: he has not, he has not.

1152
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: I'm is he saying six seven?

1153
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: They say six seven a lot, and they say chopped

1154
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: like they were talking about a uh some girl at

1155
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 2: their high school was chopped and I had to ask

1156
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 2: what that was and says, she's not that good looking.

1157
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,919
Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, that's very mean for you guys

1158
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 2: to say, but chopped, chopped that is oh yeah, we

1159
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 2: say cooked a lot at my house. That's mass cooked

1160
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 2: bro bro. And I'm like flocking and all, oh yeah,

1161
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I mean we all I can't keep up.

1162
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: You're thirty eight, I'm forty three.

1163
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 2: Okay.

1164
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: So like when we were in high school, we all

1165
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: had turns. Yeah girl with chopped, we.

1166
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 2: Just go the girls whatever. Yeah, butterfight Yeah that was one. Yeah.

1167
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah we uh you know. I was in the nineties

1168
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 2: attitude era of the WWF man. We said all kinds

1169
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 2: of student stuff we heard on Monday Night roll. We

1170
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 2: were doing some of those in school exactly.

1171
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: My mom actually was the teacher and she had to

1172
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: ban wrestling T shirt I guarantee you because kids would

1173
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: come in and they'd act like the Undertaker, try to

1174
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: I'll drive somebody. My mom said these are all technical moves,

1175
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: like you can't do that. The litt Johnny Camp come

1176
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: in and get the diamond cutters from Dallas to Diamond.

1177
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 2: Page or whatever. The fact that my little brother is

1178
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 2: still with us today after the trampoline beatings he took

1179
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 2: from me and my friends, just like, all right, we're

1180
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 2: gonna try this figure four leg lock. All right, sere

1181
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 2: right here, dude, or the sharpshooter Brett Hart. He does this.

1182
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 2: It's cool. We just stamp out and we're just you know,

1183
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 2: giving him the business on the trampoline. He was four

1184
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 2: years folders. It was a lot of fun. It's been

1185
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 2: awesome to have you guys on the podcast.

1186
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: Make sure you download Lose podcasts and make sure you

1187
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: check out Hunter as he continues to go for glory

1188
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,959
Speaker 1: and hopefully get a win here the West.

1189
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 3: That's the go