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Speaker 1: It is One Bills Live, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you.

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Speaker 1: Welcome in, Hot and sticky today. It's been humid the

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Speaker 1: All tickets sold out. It wasn't you know. It's a

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Speaker 1: have it. I don't know how you argue that their

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Speaker 1: defense got better this offseason. J C. Jackson gone, Their

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Speaker 1: best corner is gone. Um, I don't know. Maybe they

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Speaker 1: they drafted an offensive lineman number one. They brought back

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Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler. Yeah, after he was the corner, after he

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Speaker 1: was on the he was on the couch last year

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Speaker 1: he was watching. No I heard he was on the couch.

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Speaker 1: I was he wasn't playing. I gotta check that out.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, you'd be hard pressed to have him. Anybody

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Speaker 1: say they got better defensively, and here we go again,

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Speaker 1: and now they're they're over there. They can't. That defense

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Speaker 1: that the Bills had just absolutely dismantled is now making

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Speaker 1: their a b. The Patriots offense crushed. I mean, think

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Speaker 1: Tennis see the three years prior to that, but did

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Speaker 1: not play last year. Wow, that's the guy you're counting

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Speaker 1: on to be or one, number one corner. It looks

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I'm sure they got a plan,

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Speaker 1: but hopefully, I mean they got a better plan than

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Speaker 1: trying to surreptitiously film your opponent's practice, steal their game plans,

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Speaker 1: and pirate their defensive signals and doctor the footballs because

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Speaker 1: I think those days have been found out. Unless they've

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Speaker 1: got a new level of you know, you know, deception. Man,

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Speaker 1: We'll see. Corners are horrible. I don't know, it's bad

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Speaker 1: over there, Steve. I'm just gonna say this. People don't

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Speaker 1: want to bury the Patriots because they don't believe they

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Speaker 1: can be bad until they actually see it. Right, and

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Speaker 1: even right now, I think it might be or at

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Speaker 1: least horribly average. Horribly average Bills fans know what that is?

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Speaker 1: Am I trying to manifest something here. You're damn right,

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Speaker 1: I am. Um. Oh my god, other NFL news and notes.

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Speaker 1: We just say it enough, maybe it'll happen. I'll speak

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Speaker 1: it into existence. You don't have to ask me twice.

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Speaker 1: H Bucks camp not good news for Mike Evans, who

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Speaker 1: apparently tweaked his hamstring today could miss some time going forward.

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Speaker 1: Todd Bowles confirmed Mike Evans left practice early because of

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Speaker 1: a hamstring issue. He called it a tweak, so the

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Speaker 1: severity of it is unknown. We'll have to see how

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Speaker 1: much time Mike Evans misses. And then his fellow receiver

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Speaker 1: Chris Godwin of the torn ACL Steve returned to practice today. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that is, that's training camp for you. Well, but here's

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Speaker 1: the thing that makes it interesting to me. Chris Godwin

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Speaker 1: suffered the ACL injury in Week fifteen last year, the

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Speaker 1: week after the Bills played them. Trudeaus suffered his ACL

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Speaker 1: injury in week twelve on Thanksgiving, So, as we say

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Speaker 1: all the time, every case is different concerning ACL injuries.

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Speaker 1: But does this give us reason to get excited that

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Speaker 1: if Chris Godwin, who tore his a cl three weeks

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Speaker 1: after Tredavius did, is back practicing with the Bucks, albeit

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Speaker 1: on a limited basis, does that mean that we could

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Speaker 1: be getting close? I mean, you don't want to project

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Speaker 1: one rehab onto another, but without any information on his

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Speaker 1: possible return, no timetable whatsoever on Tradavious White, can we

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Speaker 1: use Chris Godwin's return, even though he got injured three

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Speaker 1: weeks after Trey, as a sign that perhaps we're getting close. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think they are getting close for Tredavius. I don't

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Speaker 1: think there's any question that from the very beginning they

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Speaker 1: would have put it on the counter, say listen, we

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Speaker 1: gotta get ready for and they said training, said well

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Speaker 1: they want just week one? Absolute is drop dead som

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Speaker 1: and however long they want him before that, what would

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Speaker 1: you say, Brownie, a week so we can practice and

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Speaker 1: get one hund I would not anticipate him playing in

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Speaker 1: the preseason at all. Yeah, nobody's he's not gonna play

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Speaker 1: in the preseason. But that's you're thinking, you need to

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Speaker 1: have him practice against Steph Diggs and you have him

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Speaker 1: practice against all these guys to get his feet under

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Speaker 1: him and get some game shape, and then even then

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Speaker 1: probably limit his snaps in the game. Maybe. Now. They

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Speaker 1: did say in the report on Godwin, who returned to

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Speaker 1: practice today, the general consensus is he is not going

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Speaker 1: to dress for week one, so they're easing him into

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Speaker 1: the practice setting now. But even though they are and

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Speaker 1: we're a month away from the regular season, they're saying

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Speaker 1: Godwin's probably not playing week one, which I found interesting

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Speaker 1: also really so back to practice. But and this is

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Speaker 1: media speculation. It is not an official team saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's not playing week one. The general consensus among the

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Speaker 1: Tampa media is they be surprised if he suits up

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Speaker 1: Week one against Dallas. Yeah. That And here's the thing too,

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Speaker 1: you and I was about to say this as you

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Speaker 1: got into this with with Mike Evans. It, I mean,

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Speaker 1: doesn't it just sound so familiar where you get Mike

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Speaker 1: Evans is out with a hamster. We got Chris Goner

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Speaker 1: went back, awesome, we got it now, Mike Evans is out.

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Speaker 1: That is total training camp conversation right there. Just as

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Speaker 1: something happens positive that this, you get something over here

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Speaker 1: that goes gets busted. I wonder how much more difficult

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Speaker 1: it is for the athletic trainers, the doctors, the sports

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Speaker 1: science people that are overseeing training camp in areas of

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Speaker 1: the country where it is just stupid hot, just blistering heat,

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Speaker 1: high humidity, Like you really have to monitor the players

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Speaker 1: in a way that I think is dramatically different from

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Speaker 1: training camp you know, at Saint John Fisher and Rochester

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Speaker 1: where I think the highest amperature we've had is eighty

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Speaker 1: five and humidity. The first day of high humidity was

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Speaker 1: yesterday for the entire camp that the Bills have been

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Speaker 1: at Saint John Fisher. So if there is a blessing,

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Speaker 1: it's that you don't have to practice in conditions where

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Speaker 1: you're genuinely concerned about dehydration, heat stroke, heat exhaustion, you know,

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Speaker 1: those kinds of things down in Tampa this timing year.

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Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? You sweat upon sight of the sun. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it was. It was humid in Rochester yesterday Saint

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Speaker 1: John Fisher, but it wasn't but not like that what

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Speaker 1: wasn't ninety seven? Yeah, you know what I mean. With

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Speaker 1: a heat index one hundred and twelve. It got it

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Speaker 1: rained a little bit, which kept the humidity high. But um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's been perfect. Over at Saint John Fisher, it's been great.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday was the first iffy day weatherwise, and it rained

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Speaker 1: after practice. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: it removes the concern for the athletic trainers and you know,

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Speaker 1: the medical stack guy's fallen out. But down in Tampa,

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Speaker 1: man or you know, Houston's training can't like they've got

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Speaker 1: like ninety days in a row of one hundred degrees

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Speaker 1: down there. Yeah, it's just a different animal. It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: It's a different animal. And I think it's a I

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Speaker 1: think if the sport if you listen to the sports

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Speaker 1: science people, I would think they I would think they

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Speaker 1: would be telling you that you got to cut back yea,

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Speaker 1: you know, so you can't cut it your reps right,

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Speaker 1: or practice at night, all that crazy stuff. Yeah, let's

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Speaker 1: put the lights on and wait till the sun goes down.

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Speaker 1: You think about it. In in Phoenix, it's one am

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Speaker 1: and it's still ninety seven. Oh, I've been there. In July. Right,

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Speaker 1: it's crazy. It doesn't cool off at all in Phoenix evert. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: back then, back when I was doing arena football games,

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Speaker 1: that season's in the spring, in the summer, if you're right,

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Speaker 1: because there's no going to the bar at eleven and

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Speaker 1: we pass a bank, you know they put the temperature

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Speaker 1: what it was ninety eight? Yeah, at eleven pm, pitch black.

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Speaker 1: I'm just I was sweating walking down the street. So

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Speaker 1: you get out there and you practice two hours to

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Speaker 1: think about this. They we talked about that. I might

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Speaker 1: have said this yesterday. I can't remember. San Angelo, Texas.

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Speaker 1: No, no no, No, we were out there at that It

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Speaker 1: was a very difficult practice yesterday. We both comes a

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Speaker 1: very physical, very long, a lot of pyramid day, back

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Speaker 1: back to back, third and short goal line team periods,

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Speaker 1: go and go and going, and the guys were hitting

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Speaker 1: and it was very grueling practice. And I thought, you know,

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Speaker 1: back in the day when we were on the air,

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Speaker 1: they would have been getting ready to come out and

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Speaker 1: do it again. Yeah, that's how nuts it used to be.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy to think about it's crazy to think about

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Speaker 1: it now because the game is so good, and it's

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Speaker 1: not because they practice two days for two straight weeks

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Speaker 1: in July late July. It's good because the players are

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Speaker 1: healthy enough to play well, right, and the stars are

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00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: always showing up because they're not beat up. They were

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Speaker 1: so dumb back in my day. All right, we gotta

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Speaker 1: take a break here because we are overbreak time. But

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Speaker 1: when we come back. In case you didn't know, the

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Speaker 1: Friday mail Bag is open. Any question under the sun

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Speaker 1: you have on the Bills the league at large, have

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Speaker 1: you fire them off? Who to watch? Tonight. Maybe if

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Speaker 1: you want, we can steer you in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: Eight three five fifty two five the practice tonight. We're

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Speaker 1: coming to the practice practice. I got you. Yeah, we're sorry,

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Speaker 1: and we're talking about the bills again. Yes we are,

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Speaker 1: of course we are. I thought we were at the

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Speaker 1: NFL at Larks. Yeah. That. It took me a minute

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Speaker 1: to come out of the commercial there. Yeah you okay, right,

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Speaker 1: I thought you were Yeah. I thought you were talking

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Speaker 1: about something because I was reading or I'm reading this

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Speaker 1: article here about did you watch the game last night?

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Speaker 1: I did not read half of it. I was reading

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Speaker 1: some stuff about the game last night, and I made

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Speaker 1: the transfer. That's right. So Raiders won, Raiders won. Jaguars

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Speaker 1: looked horrible. Um the first pick, though, Traymon Walker flashed

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Speaker 1: a little bit for the Jags, and then it was

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Speaker 1: like a bunch of guys I didn't know. Yeah, Josh

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Speaker 1: Jacobs played more than a lot of people anticipated running

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Speaker 1: back for the Raiders, and basically Josh McDaniel's answer for

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Speaker 1: that was running backs. It's good for running backs to

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Speaker 1: get work in the preseason. Okay, they're not gonna be whatever,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what's he gonna say? And what are they

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Speaker 1: gonna say now, what's it's gonna is it? Is it

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Speaker 1: gonna be a story next week when he doesn't play

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Speaker 1: a single snap? Yeah? So yeah, Raiders won twenty seven eleven.

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Speaker 1: That was the final score in that game. Jags were

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Speaker 1: playing with their third string quarterback, right, Jake Luta? Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: so that'll set you back a little bit, a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And the stadium wasn't full. I guess the Jags and

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Speaker 1: the Raiders don't pull in the national audience. Jags And yeah,

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Speaker 1: because I'll tell you what, the place is full when

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Speaker 1: the when the Bills, Browns and Steelers are in that game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean the fan base for those two teams pretty

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Speaker 1: far away from Canton, right, exactly. That nobody's problem. Nobody's

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Speaker 1: gonna get a weekend right from Jacksonville. But let's go

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Speaker 1: to the OBL Friday fan mailbag for some of your questions.

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Speaker 1: Here in advance of tonight's Blue and Red practice for

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Speaker 1: the Bills at Himark Stadium, Jack asks you gotta ask

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Speaker 1: about the return game. I've heard next to nothing, and

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Speaker 1: with Stevenson now dinged up, who is taking punts and

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Speaker 1: kick returns? Are there any surprises? How? Has Austin looked.

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Speaker 1: I think what you have to keep in mind here,

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Speaker 1: Jack is in the practice setting, there aren't a lot

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Speaker 1: of live reps. There are some. There's no tackling, but

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Speaker 1: there's no tackling the coverage guys are getting down there,

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00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,439
Speaker 1: but they're basically making sure they're in their lanes. They're

634
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: steering the return or the right way. The guys that

635
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: are blocking, it's thud blocking, it's not The intensity of

636
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: that play on a game day is purposely not duplicated

637
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: in practice. Yeah, it's it's been a it's a has

638
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: been a problem forever for special teams play that you

639
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: can't go full speed in practice. Yeah, and I think

640
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: it's a nod to the destructive nature of the play

641
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 1: because there's so much now kickoffs and stuff, even those

642
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: with today's new rules, they don't do them live. Now.

643
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: They'll block live and pick guys up live like that,

644
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, but they won't tackle to the ground. The

645
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: returner just goes through and it's thud. Nobody tackles, but

646
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: they can cover hard and they do the same thing.

647
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: In punt team. Nobody's tackling the returner. So it's and

648
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: it's always been an issue with special teams that you

649
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: cannot you can't go full speed in practice. It's largely

650
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: a landmark drill when you're running it, right, I mean

651
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: it turns into that. Yeah, it's it's some degree. It's

652
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: an absolute technique drill. But you're trying to do it

653
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: at full speed. I say, you're running at full speed

654
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: and you're you're punting the football as far as you

655
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: can and all that. You're catching it and even the

656
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: return take off running, but nobody's allowed to hit him

657
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: and tackle him, and so there's nothing that it's at

658
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: half speed essentially one once the play, after he catches

659
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: it and starts to run, there's no secondary reaction like

660
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: you get so much in a special team. So I

661
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: guess that's a long way of saying to evaluate the

662
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 1: returners in practice short of ball security kind of hard

663
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: to do. They have to wait till the preseason games

664
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: before we really get in. It's not lost, though. It's

665
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: a good question who's then if Stevenson is not doing

666
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: it and McKenzie has a larger role on offense, right,

667
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: that's the thing. If mackenzie has a lord, that's the guy.

668
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: If Isaiah McKenzie has a larger role offensively, he's not

669
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: going to be available to return punts, not that the

670
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: offense is on the field during punt team. I'm and

671
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: he wouldn't be available. But you can't stretch him that

672
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: thin and ask him to do that and play really

673
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: well at wide receiver, particularly every snap at slot. It's

674
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: just too it's mentally he won't be able to devote

675
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: enough to both of those things to be good at

676
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: either one. And so that brings you to the point where, well,

677
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: if mackenzie's if Stevenson is out and McKenzie needs to

678
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: be the return man, does that elevate Khalil Shakir and

679
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: or Jamison Crowder to the number one slot guy? Do

680
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 1: you think the return guy is important enough to sacrifice

681
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: your best slot guy if it is, indeed Isaiah McKenzie,

682
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, and put him in returns rather than on

683
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: the slot. There's no way the slot guy's way more

684
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: important because he's got sixty five seventy snaps a game,

685
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: not six as a punt returner and three as a

686
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 1: kickoff guy. So and there are other candidates in the mix.

687
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: I just don't know if we're allowed to divulge that.

688
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: That's the only thing. Everybody's everybody who who handles a

689
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: ball or has a ball in you know, like all

690
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 1: the dbs are at candidates, all the wide receivers are candidates,

691
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: and the running backs are candidates. So every athlete, I

692
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm seeing athlete, Like the big guys aren't athletes.

693
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, that's the way it is.

694
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: So and you if you go to practice and watch,

695
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: they got like nine guys catching kicks. Yeah, so there's

696
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: no And I'll say this too, even if Isaia McKenzie

697
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: was penciled in or not even penciled in in ink

698
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: that he was going to be the return guy for

699
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: the regular season, he may get two kicks all of

700
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: preseason and then you know, come out and doing the

701
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: regular seat. Because so we're gonna we're gonna get a

702
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 1: chance to see all these people in preseason games, get

703
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: a chance to catch punts, you know, and a guy

704
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: like Tavon Austin who has return experience, it's a way

705
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: to help him get on the roster if he can

706
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: get some opportunities in the preseason, make the most of them.

707
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: And then you run into an issue where you're saying, well,

708
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: am I taking Jay Kumero, who's a good blocking receiver

709
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: and average plays a role on special teams, Or am

710
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: I taking Tavon Austin because I need the return a

711
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: primary return guy that doesn't have a giant role on offense.

712
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: Those are the kinds of positional decisions you come down

713
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: to when you're trying to get to fifty three, and

714
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 1: it's not easy. Kumero is a core guy on coverage, kickoff,

715
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: and punt, and he's also on punt return all that

716
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: stuff too, So you know, he's a four he's a

717
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: four down special teams player, punt, punt return, kickoff, kickoff return.

718
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: That's big. You need guys like that. And to trade

719
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: him because he plays the you know, the wide receiver position,

720
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: you gotta trade him out because you don't want to

721
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: keep eight wide receivers on the roster on game day

722
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: because now you can only keep two running backs. Yeah,

723
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: and you know Taiwan Jones is out or something like that.

724
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: You know. So, yeah, it's an issue. But it's a

725
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: good question from Jack because who that's gonna be. It

726
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 1: needs to be a guy dedicated to it. In my opinion, Yeah,

727
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: we have to take a break here. More of your

728
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 1: questions from the obl Friday fanmail bag coming up, along

729
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: with an undrafted receiver who is getting first team reps

730
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: in Dallas? Will tell you who it is next here

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Speaker 1: on One Bill's Live presented by Collata Health, It's Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Bills Radio. Hey, Everybody, Kid's Day returns to high Mark

733
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734
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 1: matchup on August twentieth. Presented by Fisher Price, The Fisher

735
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: Price Junior Tailgate kicks off at nine am in Lots

736
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00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: Giant inflatables and I Mean Giants, a real firetruck games,

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00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: and more. Also, a limited quantity of Bills wristbands will

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00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: be given out as a gate giveaway, and special concessions

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00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 1: available this year including popcorn, ice cream, cotton candy, snow cones,

741
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: root beer floats, and a Kid's Lunch deal featuring a

742
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: hot dog, chips and Caprix son mobile ticketing as usual,

743
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: visit Buffalo Bills dot com slash Kid's Day for more information.

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00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: That's a game that kicks off at one pm on

745
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 1: August twentieth could be a scorcher here in Buffalo. Yeah,

746
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: I know you're really relishing the list of refreshments that

747
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna be shoving down these kids. Well, who the

748
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: hell doesn't like popcorn, ice cream, cotton candy, snow cones

749
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: or root beer floats. I mean, that's a clean sweep

750
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: right there. That's like a royal flush. Here's what you

751
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: gotta do here, here's the challenge. You gotta do all

752
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 1: of them. Ooh, you and I do that. We should

753
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: do it. We might not be suitable for work afterwards,

754
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: but we should do that. We gotta go to see

755
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: the popcorn. I'm a huge popcorn fan. If I did that,

756
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,919
Speaker 1: I would most definitely be in a food coma. Yeah,

757
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 1: that's a lot of candy. That's a lot of work.

758
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: Cotton candy and candies. Easy. It just turns into pure

759
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 1: sugar and melts in your mouth and you're good. Um,

760
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 1: it's the volume of the other things, like a root

761
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: beer float that's a heavy dessert. Snow cone two turns

762
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: the water, bringing freeze. But I'm talking about fitting it

763
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: all and well, you don't have to like finish the

764
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: whole you know, why not? I meant that the whole

765
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: point we're gonna be taking that kind of Kid's Day challenge.

766
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: Kid in a challenge, eat one of every luke and

767
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: sample we have to. You know, I thought we had

768
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: to finish a serving set. No, no, no, we should

769
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: go out and check it out. Steve, there is an

770
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: undrafted rookie who is He's making the most of his

771
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: opportunity in Dallas Cowboys training camp. Undrafted rookie wide receiver

772
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: Kenny Houston or Dennis Houston has been working with the

773
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: first team offense. Six ninety eight pound receiver four four

774
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: nine forty speed and when undrafted out of Western Illinois,

775
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: All Missouri Valley first team last season, ninety catches one

776
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: fifteen yards six touchdowns in eleven games in the FCS,

777
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: led the FCS and catches per game. He's getting a

778
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: crack with the ones because Michael Gallop and James Washington

779
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: are both out for an extended period of time with

780
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: knee and foot injuries, respectively. It's next man up for

781
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Steve and he, along with fellow rookie Jalen Toilbert,

782
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: who was a draft choice, have been working with CD

783
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: Lamb in the first team offense. I get it, That's

784
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: why this is a story. It's not a story about

785
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: what's the kid's name, Kenny Kenny, Not Kenny Hughes. Oh,

786
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: it's Dennis Houston. Why do I want to call him

787
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: Kenny Kenny? There n Houston. He was a cornerback for

788
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: the Okay, I got a mental block there, Dennis Houston.

789
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: This is not a Dennis Houston story. This is a

790
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 1: when are we getting Michael Gallup and James Washington? Gallup,

791
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: James Washington, That's what it is. We all love it.

792
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: Underdog come out, yes and Dennis Houston. This let you

793
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: know how warped reality is in Dallas. So yeah, they

794
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: get it. Make it happen, man, And I know it

795
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: is there. Somebody's selling it for the kids back in

796
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 1: the Missouri state. You know that they're Western Illinois. Western Illinois. Okay,

797
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: Western Illinois. Yeah, where's Western Illinois? What town? All right,

798
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: I'll look it up. I can't I could Western Illinois.

799
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: That's why I don't know Western Illinois terribly. Well, you

800
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: should know it better than me. With the region of

801
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: the country you come from. I know that Northern I know.

802
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: I do know this, Steve. Northern Illinois is in decalb

803
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: I know that I've been there in Illinois? Is in Malcolm,

804
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: make them m o mbs correct, make them Illinois. That's correct. Well,

805
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: we'll see if they know how to make them based

806
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: on how Dennis Houston does in training camp. So it's

807
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: a yeah, good luck to him. Yeah, Western illinc. Make them,

808
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: make them, make them. So you got Western Illinois and

809
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: make them. You got northern Illinois in decalb. There is

810
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: a Southern Illinois too. The salukis right, yeah, yeah, the southern. Yes,

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Speaker 1: they's got a ton of universe. Are they? Where are

812
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: they in Springfield? Southern Illinois is in? That sounds right,

813
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: Springfield would make sense. That's the capital number one, and

814
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: it is, well, it's not southern, it's more than Edwardsville.

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00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: And there's also one in Carbondale, Illinois. Talk about putting

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00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: Carbondales on one, I know, talk about putting your directional

817
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: schools in outpost Um. Yeah, Edwardsville Okay. And then there's

818
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: and there's Eastern Illinois too, because isn't that where Tony

819
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: Romo went? Southern Illinois? The salukis? Is there an east?

820
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: Let me just see if I'm pretty sure. Let's see,

821
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 1: I think Tony Romo went to Eastern Illinois. That yes,

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00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: and that's in Charleston, Illinois. Okay, well, now that we've

823
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: solved the directional school dilemma for the state of Illinois,

824
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: that will the land of Lincoln. And I'll say this,

825
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: and I'll say that for all the you gotta another

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00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: kid going to college this year, I had five go

827
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: through college, and you were and you know all these

828
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 1: young people you were talking about Northern Illinois, Southern Illinois,

829
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: Eastern Illinois, and Western Illinois. And you get these your kids,

830
00:48:55,400 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: your and you know it, they agonize over their choice

831
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: of a university. Absolutely agonize over it. Yeah, it's I

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00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: tell my kids. After a while I started learning this.

833
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: I didn't start with the first one because I was

834
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: the same way. I was like, oh my gosh, were

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00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: you right. There is no wrong answer. There's not a

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Speaker 1: wrong as. It's not like you're gonna go to this

837
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: university and your life's gonna explode and this one is

838
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: gonna be prosperous and happy. You know, there's no wrong answer.

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Speaker 1: The right answer is after you get there and you

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Speaker 1: make it the right to make you make it the

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Speaker 1: right answer. So I always told my kid as a parent,

842
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: I did not care where they went. I mean I

843
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: could have gone. My kid went to one of them,

844
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: went to an ivy league school, could have gone to

845
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,439
Speaker 1: ub could have gone to play football. I didn't care

846
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: where he went. I really didn't. All I all you

847
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 1: care about is I have twenty four hours after there.

848
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: They give you a phone call and they go, Wow,

849
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,439
Speaker 1: this is awesome and thing. Okay, I'm good, that's fine.

850
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: I don't care if you're I don't care if you're

851
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: at ECC or if you're at Harvard. If it's your spot,

852
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: it's your spot. I don't care. I really don't. We

853
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: have to take a break because second hour of the show,

854
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: we are gonna lead off with a guy who can

855
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: weigh in on the Deshaun Watson Legalese and the Miami Dolphins.

856
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: Legalese maybe better than anybody else. Andrew Brandt, Business of

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Speaker 1: Sports Analyst. It's gonna be joining us next here on

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Speaker 1: One Bill's Live, presented by Colloid of Health. It's Buffalo

859
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 1: Bills Radio. All right, welcome back to One Bills Live.

860
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: Chris Brown, Steve task you with you our number two

861
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 1: and time for us to welcome in Business of Sports

862
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: Analysts for SI dot Com. Host of the Business of

863
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: Sports podcast and the director of the Morant Center for

864
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,959
Speaker 1: Sports at Villanova. It is our good friend Andrew Brant

865
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: joining us on the line. Andrew, how you doing? Who

866
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: were all guys? It's been busy, you know, get right

867
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: into it, you know. I was immediately surprised at the

868
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: six game suspension to Watson. I like everyone. I don't

869
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: think there's anybody that wasn't surprised in terms of people

870
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: around the country. What made it more surprising for me

871
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: is really the opinion of Judge Robinson, joint appointed by

872
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: the union in the league. She agreed with the NFL.

873
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: She thought he violated the personal conduct policy. She thought

874
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: he committed sexual assault, she thought he was credit for

875
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: she thought his conduct was egregious. She put in a

876
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: no massage clause that he cannot get a massage outside

877
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: the team for the rest of his career. And with

878
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: all of this, then it comes down to six game suspension.

879
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: I was just surprised. It turned on the phrase non violence,

880
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: and she scolded the NFL imposing the subgregious penalties something

881
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: that she termed non violence. I assume, distinguishing it from

882
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 1: cases like Anticol Elliott, Kareem Hunt, Josh Brown, Ray, Rice, etc.

883
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 1: So that's where we are, and of course now we

884
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: enter the appeal phase. But this was this is an opinion.

885
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll teach about in law school that it's

886
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: reads like she's going to hand down a two year

887
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: suspension and then it goes to six games. Yeah, the

888
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: question is, has anything really changed in the process except

889
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: one extra step and get sending an outside arbitrator, one

890
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: who's paid by the union and the league, only to

891
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: have it fall back to the league right where it

892
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: was before they negotiated a new CBA. Is Roger Goodell

893
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: just going to say, hey, listen, Peter C. Harvey, former

894
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: Attorney General of New Jersey, would you please just give

895
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: this guy a year in definite suspension ten million dollars fine,

896
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: and we can move on with this. I mean, is

897
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 1: that what this is gonna is going to be that simple?

898
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I mean, this is a respective

899
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: of a jurist attorney general from New Jersey. He's going

900
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: to look at all the cases. But again, for people listening,

901
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: there's no hearing. There's not gonna be another hearing where

902
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: they've introduced Jorge Shaun Watson and the women that the

903
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: facts are decided now it just comes down of the penalty.

904
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 1: And as you said, this process has another step where

905
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: Roger Goodell is not the judge, jury and executioner, but

906
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: he is the appellate judge, or he names the appellate judge,

907
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: which is really kind of the same thing as before.

908
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: But I know the union feels that they got that

909
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: step where someone that they jointly approve of decides on

910
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: the business planet. It's going to be interesting because I

911
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: think see there are negotiations going on right now. They

912
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: have to be again, would the union take eight games?

913
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: Would they take ten games? Would they take twelve games?

914
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: These are the counter negotiations going on, or they're leaving

915
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: in the hands of Harvey, which I'm not sure the

916
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: union wants right And according to the league's personal conduct policy,

917
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: the appeal is going to be processed in an expedited fashion.

918
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: So what do we judge that timetable to be? Andrew

919
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: the Union's appeal brief, and that's all it is. There's

920
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: no hearing, as I keep saying, is due. I believe

921
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: today two days from the NFL permitting its brief. And

922
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: these are legal briefs by lawyers. Jeffrey Kessler on Watson's side,

923
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: and the league lawyers and don't review him. I think

924
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: he's under orders from Goodell to move quickly here. In fact,

925
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: I think the reason Goodell is not doing it is

926
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Speaker 1: we have the Hall of Fame this weekend. He's busy,

927
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: so I think we'll know by midweek. I do mid week, Yeah, okay,

928
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 1: And what's your best guess? You know, I know the

929
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Speaker 1: league once a year, and I think if it was

930
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: Goodell would be a year. But I don't think it's

931
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Speaker 1: going to be a year. My best guest would probably

932
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Speaker 1: be twelve games. And there's going to be a fine.

933
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: There's definitely going to be a fine. It's not going

934
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Speaker 1: to get off Scott free with the money. And we've

935
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: talked a lot about how the Browns, you know, coddled

936
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Speaker 1: him with the money. And then I think they're going

937
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: to be a lot of things in there about counseling

938
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: and about I don't know if they can legislate remorse,

939
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: but he certainly hasn't shown remorse, but counseling, yes, those

940
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: kind of things. Right. Knowing that there are reports out

941
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: there Andrew that with the settlement negotiations they had, the

942
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: league offered reportedly twelve games and a ten million dollars. Fine,

943
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: if it's if it's not a year, are we expecting

944
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: it's somewhere at least in between twelve games in a year,

945
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: or might it be that number that had been reportedly

946
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: previously discussed. It could be you know, of course the

947
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Speaker 1: union't turn that down. Watson's team turned that down. It

948
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: could be you know, I think we're all speculating. But

949
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: once that, once the process we just outline is in place,

950
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: it's keyed up for appeal to the league. Because everything

951
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 1: I just talked about, it's not like Joge Robbinson said,

952
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if he said she said right, She

953
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,479
Speaker 1: didn't say that at all. She said that, she said,

954
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: are more credible than that he said. And this guy

955
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: clearly went to massages for sex. And that's a problem,

956
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: you know, and the league is not going to sit

957
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,959
Speaker 1: back and say, yeah, we should do six games, because

958
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: forget twenty four women, forget sixty six women. Even if

959
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 1: it's just the three women that testify or four women,

960
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: that's a lot. That's that's three more than Roethlisberger, three

961
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: more than Eliot, three more than Rice. So that's a lot.

962
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 1: And why and why did the league only choose four

963
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: not twenty four? I don't know. I think you know.

964
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: It was three days. They tried to streamline it. If

965
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: I'm the league lawyer, maybe I would have had a

966
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: few more. But if if I'm thinking, okay, let's give

967
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: the three most chilling details or most graphic details and

968
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: show the pattern, because clearly she Robinson saw the pattern

969
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: that we've been reading about for years. Last one I

970
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: had for you Andrew very quickly, because I know you've

971
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: done a lot of contracts, the whole Kyler Murray independent

972
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: study clause in your time? Have you ever seen something

973
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: like that within a contract? And what is its presence

974
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: in it? At least initially now that they supposedly took

975
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: it out, Say to you been doing the thirty years

976
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: as an agent, a team executive, and a media analyst,

977
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: and I had never seen anything like it. I've never

978
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: seen a situation where you have to legislate a player

979
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: to study even a minimal amount. I didn't get it.

980
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: I didn't understand it. I'm not sure Murray understood it.

981
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: Because Murray lashed out at others the media, I guess

982
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: for thinking he wasn't a good worker. It wasn't the media.

983
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: It was his own team. His own team, and from

984
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: the contract point of view, the way I read it

985
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: was if he was found, however, they find not to

986
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 1: have four hours of independent study a week, they could

987
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: avoid the future guarantees one hundred million dollars. So it

988
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: was an embarrassment to Murray and his agents. It was

989
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: an embarrass him into the Cardinals, and of course that

990
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: public shaming by you know me, but me, one of hundreds,

991
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: got him to change it. I just I heard a

992
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: crazy theory from a someone in them. I think he's

993
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: in the know. He said he thinks that the leaker

994
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: of that clause was Murray's agents. Wow. Now, I know

995
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: that sounds crazy because Murray's agents embarrassed by it. But

996
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: think about what he said. And this is a guy

997
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: in the league. He doesn't know, but he thinks that

998
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: it was Murray's agents because it caused so much embarrassment

999
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: by the Cardinals that they removed it. Yeah, so huge.

1000
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: I think it was leaked by a rival agent or

1001
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: a rival team to embarrass You know, these people are

1002
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: cut throat out there, so whatever, it's not in there anymore. Yeah,

1003
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: But do you think there's any question that it was

1004
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: a deliberate leak. Yes, yeah, And I think it could

1005
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: have been the Cardinals because you know, we heard about

1006
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: forty six million a year, which would have beat Watson deal.

1007
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: But it really wasn't that. Maybe Murray's side put that

1008
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: out there. The Cardinals are mad, but that's out there,

1009
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: and hits are tad. But it could have been the

1010
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: Cardinals or another team or agent. Andrew, thank you, appreciate

1011
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: the time. As always, Andrew will catch up with you soon.

1012
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: Always a pleasure. Good. All right. That's Andrew Brandt, who

1013
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: is a business in sports analyst and does his work

1014
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: for SI dot com. You know, he's the director of

1015
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: the Moread Center for Sports Law at Phillinois University of Villanova.

1016
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: He ran the Packers for a decade. He was their president.

1017
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: I mean it did contracts for thirty years. He was

1018
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: he was Aaron Rodgers agent when he no, he was

1019
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: the front office guy. Guy signed Aaron Aaron Rodgers. So yeah, um,

1020
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: he drafted Aaron Rodgers when he had Brent Farve on

1021
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: his team. Right. Um. That's why I wanted to ask

1022
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: him about that Murray contract because I've tried to talk

1023
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: to a few people in the league that have done

1024
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: a contract or two, it's not. And I asked, I said,

1025
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: how uncommon is this? And the prevailing answer that I've

1026
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: gotten from people around the league is, I don't know

1027
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: how common it is, but I haven't seen it before. Right,

1028
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: nobody's ever seen it before. But I don't know it

1029
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: might become. Well, Andrew gave it to us straight, like,

1030
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: I've never seen that in my life. Right, years of

1031
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: doing those contracts. To me, I gotta tell you, the

1032
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: Cardinals come off looking like cowards taking it out and out. Yeah,

1033
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: they should have come out and said, yeah, we put

1034
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: it in. That was a pretty valuable protection that they

1035
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: had in there. I mean, yes, he could have forfeited

1036
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars if he didn't live up to

1037
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: the study clause. And now you take it out, and

1038
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: if this guy doesn't study and do the right thing

1039
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 1: and doesn't look prepared for games, you're gonna have even

1040
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: more egg on your face then than you do now,

1041
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: don't you. I think you do, because now you're you

1042
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: retrace your steps and you you coward from the whole thing. Right, Yeah,

1043
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: you shouldn't just say today the contracts in place, we're

1044
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: gonna leave it like it is. I think it demonstrates

1045
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 1: the kind of power the quarterbacks in this league have.

1046
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: They got the he got the franchise to back down

1047
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: with public pressure. He faced him down, and I can't believe. Yeah,

1048
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: that's crazy to me. Yeah, that's crazy to me. And

1049
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't get his contract fully guaranteed. It's

1050
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: only seventy percent of his contract is guaranteed, but they've

1051
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: removed the clause that could potentially cost him one hundred

1052
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: million of that contract. So it's it's noteworthy very much.

1053
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: So I'm it's because we you know, we heard stories

1054
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: and I you know, we've there's instances around NFL lore

1055
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: about other players who were notorious for that, for not

1056
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: being committed to the playbook, and story after story of

1057
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: guys who you know, and the team's tested them to

1058
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: see if with surreptitious methods like sending them home blank film,

1059
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: see if they would then ask them about the film

1060
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:24,959
Speaker 1: and they come back saying, yeah, I watched it was great,

1061
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: and then this and this and this, and there was

1062
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 1: blank film. So the player didn't watch it, didn't know

1063
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: that it was blank. That kind of stuff going on,

1064
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: and other ways as well, and they just knew that

1065
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: the player was not putting in the academic work to

1066
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: be ready to play on Sundays. But I've never seen

1067
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: a club put it into a contract. Now that I

1068
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: say that, surprisingly, nobody's put it into the contract. So

1069
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: I'm I'm that still. I still think the Cardinals are

1070
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 1: cowards for taking it out when they got it put in,

1071
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: and they put it in for a reason. And you

1072
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: know what's Kyler Murree're gonna do? Now, take advantage of it.

1073
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: He might. He certainly has the freedom too. Yeah, And

1074
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: if I'm the Cardinals, I would have said, listen, here's

1075
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: how it's gonna work. We're gonna get you in here.

1076
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: You pick the times when you want to study this film,

1077
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 1: and we'll have our guy come in and he'll go

1078
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: over he'll be with you, your position, your quarterbacks coach,

1079
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: your offensive coordinator or whatever, a coach will be in

1080
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: there with you and you'll go at it for four

1081
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: hours an hour a day Monday through Thursday and two

1082
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: hours a day Thursday Friday. Will you pick, and we'll

1083
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: fit it into your schedule, and that's what we'll do,

1084
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: and we'll just that'll be the way we get it done.

1085
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: They just pulled it out. That's it was. I think

1086
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: that's it's coward move. You gotta because you did it

1087
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: for a reason, and that reason has not gone away,

1088
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: has not changed, and you've given up your leverage. I

1089
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: just it's a bad deal. And then having him go

1090
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: out and and and Kyler went up and did an

1091
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 1: impromptu press conference and said, hey, don't call into question

1092
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: my work ethic. Bro, I don't know what you thought

1093
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: was gonna happen signing that contract, but this is it.

1094
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: I got awfully messy down there in Arizona real fast.

1095
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 1: And it started when he when he remember he scrubbed

1096
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 1: his well, so that's what you know, a millennial move.

1097
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: But you scrub your web, I'm gonna show you. I'm unhappy. Yes,

1098
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: you're yeah. Instead of walking in and sitting down like

1099
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: a man and saying, listen, guys, here's how this is

1100
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: gonna go down. Here's how I wanted to go down,

1101
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: he scrubs his social media accounts of all but that Cardinals. Right.

1102
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 1: But now because he does that kind of stuff, you know,

1103
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 1: passive aggressive stuff like the Cardinals now look like they're

1104
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: walking on eggshells. Oh, don't don't take off Kyler. He

1105
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: may want to get traded, right, and then what do

1106
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: we do? So now he's gonna be He's he's he's

1107
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 1: not the guy. Yeah, I don't think he's a great athlete,

1108
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: got a great arm, doesn't and he made some great play,

1109
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 1: but he is not a leader. He's not a team player.

1110
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: He doesn't elevate the guys around him. He's in it

1111
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: for his He's in it because it's what he does.

1112
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 1: He doesn't know the team is secondary to all of

1113
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,919
Speaker 1: that individual stuff for him. And I'm that you can't.

1114
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 1: That's not the guy. That's not the guy you want.

1115
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: That's not the guy I want to give hundreds of

1116
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: millions of dollars dollars. I do not want that guy

1117
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 1: to get that money if I'm the team. Yeah, and

1118
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,439
Speaker 1: I know those guys are they're rare, they're very rare.

1119
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: And Kyler's Kyler is a worthy starting quarterback. He's got

1120
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 1: an arm and he's he's doing some things. But you

1121
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 1: can't reward bad behavior, right, Yeah, it's they've had all

1122
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: kinds of problems down there. You got Marquis Goodwin, you know,

1123
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: criminal speeding. They're they're not off to a great start

1124
01:06:56,280 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: down there for sure. And it's not like it's guy

1125
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: sixty seven on your ninety man roster. I'm talking about

1126
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 1: some pretty prominent people here. I don't want to make generalizations,

1127
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: but from a million miles away and being a lazy

1128
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 1: analyst and looking at him and saying, ha ha, you're

1129
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 1: you know, doing it. That's when you're running a college

1130
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: program as a college coach at the pro level, and

1131
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 1: the pros are taking advantage of you. Yeah, because you're

1132
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: great dealing with grown men, not college kids who actually

1133
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 1: have to go to class and do some things to

1134
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: keep their scholarship and all that. That's a college program

1135
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: being run at the NFL level, and those players are

1136
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: taking in full advantage of it. They don't have to

1137
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: go to class, you know. That's that's that's what that

1138
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 1: strikes me as you know what I mean. Yeah. Meanwhile,

1139
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 1: and this here's the difference in relationships. You want to

1140
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 1: talk about quarterback to franchise relationships. You know, Kyler Murray's

1141
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: scrubbing his social media account. Lamar Jackson, who still doesn't

1142
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: have a contract, by the way, shows up on time.

1143
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 1: He's practicing, and while a lot of people are like, hey,

1144
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: what's the deal, there's no issue there. Oh he can.

1145
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 1: He's completely only listen. I'm I'm my own agent. We're

1146
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: gonna get we're getting done. I'm not happen when it happened,

1147
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 1: and he was like, I'm not in a hurry. Yeah,

1148
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: because the relationship there is good, you know, between that

1149
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,560
Speaker 1: front office, the head coach, all of that stuff. And

1150
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: I'll say this too, he's got a sense of awareness

1151
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 1: knowing that you forget, don't forget. The Baltimore ras Ravens,

1152
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 1: at a very early, very early point of Lamar Jackson's career,

1153
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 1: went all in on him. Got him. The offensive line

1154
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 1: got him, running backs got him. You know, they totally

1155
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 1: revamped their offense, their personnel, their roster to support him

1156
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: and his ability, his unique abilities. I've never seen a

1157
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: team transfer form itself so quickly for one guy as

1158
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens did for Lamar Jackson. And it got

1159
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: him into the playoffs, made him there were fourteen and two,

1160
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: made him the MVP, and then you know, they ran

1161
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,560
Speaker 1: into a buzz saw here in Buffalo in those playoffs

1162
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty but that was his MVP season or

1163
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen was his MVP season and so they come

1164
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: in and so he knew. I would think Lamar Jackson

1165
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 1: knows that Baltimore is the spot for him, which is

1166
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: why he has done his part to keep the relationship strong. Yeah,

1167
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 1: because the yeah, he might not be able to walk

1168
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 1: into a situation like that somewhere else. Exactly, Yeah, exactly.

1169
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 1: But I just think that also speaks to you know,

1170
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 1: strong organization builds good relationships with their players, and so

1171
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: when you get to a tricky situation like this where

1172
01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 1: it's going to be a major investment and all that's stuff,

1173
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't start flipping boats over in the ocean.

1174
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, it's everybody puts their cards on

1175
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 1: the table, shows them and says, you know, let's let's

1176
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 1: find a solution together. It's a conversation, not a negotiation. Yeah,

1177
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: And that's how it works. That's how the best way,

1178
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 1: that's the healthiest way to do it. That's where the

1179
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:22,560
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens are and that the Arizona Cardinals are in

1180
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 1: the desert literally, you know what, Literally and figurative. Yeah,

1181
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty. It's not eye opening, it's just it's

1182
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 1: just right there. It's plain to see. And the difference

1183
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 1: is startling from one team to the next. It really is.

1184
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 1: It is in terms of the quarterback to franchise. And

1185
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 1: I and I get it. I mean, the franchise doesn't

1186
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,679
Speaker 1: want to go out and try and find another quarterback

1187
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:52,720
Speaker 1: as good as Kyler Murray. There's not that many. There's

1188
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 1: not gonna be one available. They're not gonna be able

1189
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 1: to find one, and so they got to do what

1190
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,600
Speaker 1: they can to make it work with him, right, and

1191
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 1: that means, you know, stroking him and taking the clause

1192
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 1: out of the contract. You know all of that. Man,

1193
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: there is a former Bills linebacker, Steve that is back

1194
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and I'll give you a hint. When

1195
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 1: he was here, he was legendary. Oh, I know, Kiko

1196
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:29,759
Speaker 1: Alonzo is back in the NFL. He signed with the Saints.

1197
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,719
Speaker 1: He's thirty one years old. Now, the legend of Kiko,

1198
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: legend of Kiko Alonzo alive and well in the big easy.

1199
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 1: I didn't think he not taking a snap since twenty nineteen,

1200
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 1: I know. I mean he basically he took a COVID

1201
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 1: vacation from the NFL, but they did say they brought

1202
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: him in and worked him out, and he is in

1203
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: good shape, and he's always been a good athlete, not

1204
01:11:55,160 --> 01:12:00,640
Speaker 1: an elite athlete, good athlete um because you know, I

1205
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 1: think a lot of Bill's fans the last memory of

1206
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,759
Speaker 1: him is watching Josh fake him out of his shoes

1207
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 1: tournament circles on a scramble play against the Dolphins. I

1208
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: mean he turned around two times and didn't know where

1209
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 1: he was and still missed the guy Charles Clay game. Yeah, so,

1210
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I wish him well. I hope

1211
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 1: it works out for him in New Orleans. I mean

1212
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 1: he was here for a hot minute and then became,

1213
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, the trade bait for Chip Kelly, who coached

1214
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:35,560
Speaker 1: him at Oregon to get Lashawn McCoy up here in

1215
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 1: the deal with the Eagles, right, and all of a sudden, Kiko,

1216
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 1: who had a monster rookie season here. I think he

1217
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 1: was second and Rookie of the Year honors finished second.

1218
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:48,720
Speaker 1: He was so ultra productive. I mean he was all

1219
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 1: over the place on the field and all over the field.

1220
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 1: But his time here was very short lived. And trade

1221
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 1: he was part of the Yeah. Yeah, he goes to Philadelphia.

1222
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 1: He's there for a year, then he goes to Miami. Ammy.

1223
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: He was in New Orleans for a minute, he bounced

1224
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 1: around and then at New Orleans was the last place

1225
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: he played, so he has familiarity with a Dennis Allen

1226
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 1: liked him, and now Dennis Allen's a head coach and

1227
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 1: presto chango. Bring the guy back. Let's let's take a look.

1228
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 1: He's been gone for three years, I mean, like off

1229
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 1: the map for three years, and now he's back. Let's

1230
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 1: see what he looks like. And sure enough they signed him.

1231
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 1: That's got to be an interesting transition. You didn't get

1232
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 1: any younger. You haven't been exposed to the speed of

1233
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 1: the game for three years. I mean maybe it is

1234
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,679
Speaker 1: like riding a bike to a certain extent, but there's

1235
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: gotta be a little shock value there at the outset. Whoa,

1236
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, here's the thing, and

1237
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 1: I'll tip my hat to him. If he comes back

1238
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 1: and plays, well, that's amazing, because think about it, it's hard.

1239
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 1: You know, you're gonna go out and you're gonna train

1240
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 1: for a race or a marathon or something. You kind

1241
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 1: of got that, but he's training, he's not even playing

1242
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 1: for three years. How do you dredge up the intensity

1243
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 1: tot to practice for three years, to stay in shape

1244
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 1: for three years, not even knowing if you're gonna play again,

1245
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 1: let alone which team, you know what I mean, if

1246
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 1: you even want to play again. I mean, I would

1247
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 1: think that if he didn't want to, if he wanted

1248
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 1: to play, he could have put been a blip on

1249
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: the radar at some point during that three years. It's

1250
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,640
Speaker 1: like he just was on a beach somewhere, except apparently

1251
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 1: he was working out pretty good. That's hard to do. Yeah,

1252
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 1: that's really hard to do. I don't know how you

1253
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 1: keep yourself in that kind of shape in pro football

1254
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 1: kind of shape, not doing anything, not on a team

1255
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 1: without anything on the horizon, because game shape is different,

1256
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 1: and you it takes some mental gymnastics to keep telling

1257
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 1: yourself for three years that my chance is coming after

1258
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 1: you've seen how the game works. That's pretty that's pretty unbelieved,

1259
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 1: pretty impressive. Break time here for us when we come back,

1260
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Speaker 1: more of your questions from the obl fan Friday mailbag.

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01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 1: As we get ready for the return of the Blue

1262
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 1: and Red practice tonight here at high Mark Stadium. Back

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Speaker 1: in a second here on One Bill's Live. It is

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01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:26,679
Speaker 1: summer and Bill's head coach Sean McDermott wants us all

1265
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 1: thinking about sun defense. Coach is passionate about skin cancer

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01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: prevention as it runs in his family, and he takes

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01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:37,440
Speaker 1: sun protection very seriously. Most importantly, of course, is wearing sunscreen.

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01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 1: Right now, you can stop by your local wegments for

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01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 1: all of your sun protection needs. Wegmans will donate one

1270
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 1: dollar for every Wegmans sunscreen products sold through August thirty

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01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 1: first in their Buffalo, Rochester and Syracuse stores. It's a

1272
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 1: great way to protect your family and help the fight

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01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:54,719
Speaker 1: against skin cancer and think sun defense. Like Bill's head coach,

1274
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott, get to go to the OBL Friday fan

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01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: mail bag. We got to get back to some of

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01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 1: your questions that you have been asking thus far, and

1277
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 1: Nick asks, how does our offensive line depth look so

1278
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 1: far at camp? As good as we are, I can't help,

1279
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 1: but remember how the constant shuffling of the old line

1280
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:17,599
Speaker 1: due to injuries really hurt us mid season last year,

1281
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 1: and I don't want that to derail us this year.

1282
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 1: Your concerns are legitimate, Nick, and we understand them. I

1283
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 1: would see the most overwhelming difference about the depth on

1284
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 1: the old line this year. Maybe in comparison to last year,

1285
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 1: Steve is there is a greater contingent of veteran players

1286
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 1: along you know the quote unquote second and third year Yeah,

1287
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 1: proven veteran players, um, Greg Van Roten, Greg Man, Kesson

1288
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:50,560
Speaker 1: Berry and then you know, bringing in Saffold and we

1289
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: haven't even gotten to you know, guys like Cody Ford,

1290
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 1: Ryan Bates, Bobby Hard. Now, Bobby Hart is struggled in times.

1291
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 1: He's a better guard than he is a tackle and

1292
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:03,560
Speaker 1: he's had to play all that stuff. But um, the

1293
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 1: Bills have a really veteran experienced offensive line that goes

1294
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 1: about eight deep. If you camp Spencer Brown as one

1295
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 1: of those you know, you know what I mean, but

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01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 1: it's you know, even you know Bates, you know. Yeah.

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01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:27,680
Speaker 1: The difference this year is that the guys, they've got

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01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: a whole room full of guys who have played a

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01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 1: lot of games. And that's a big plus for an

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01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:36,840
Speaker 1: NFL team. Um, I think if you're gonna look at

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01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 1: most of the teams around the league at the final cutdown,

1302
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 1: the teams are going to be circling the Buffalo Bills

1303
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 1: and their offensive line releases. If there is going to

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01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:51,639
Speaker 1: be any Um, they've got a ton of really good players.

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01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 1: Plus you and I have been talking about Alec Anderson

1306
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:57,799
Speaker 1: that you both like him. I don't know. The coaches

1307
01:17:57,840 --> 01:17:59,680
Speaker 1: may not even know his name for all we know,

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01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 1: but we like him. I just like the way he moves.

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01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 1: I think he mirrors well in pass protection. He kind

1310
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:06,719
Speaker 1: of holds his ground even against some of the bigger

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01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 1: pass rushers. Like you know, he seems gritty. He's not

1312
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:15,759
Speaker 1: backing down from anybody he's got. You know, he moves

1313
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 1: like you said, he moves well. He gets in front

1314
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 1: of people. He's big enough to anchor. Ye, he's played

1315
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 1: a couple of different spots, so you know, guys like

1316
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 1: that who don't even make this list that we're talking about.

1317
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 1: Of these experienced backups, he's playing well. Eric. You can

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01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 1: say what you want about Aaron Cromer has done a

1319
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 1: nice job so far. And you even you and you

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01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 1: know Jamoke's like you and me are saying, wow, look

1321
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 1: at these guys. So I think you're right. The injuries

1322
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,720
Speaker 1: are a problem. The fact that they can't get the

1323
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 1: five guys they think are the best is an issue,

1324
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 1: but it's not urgent yet. The good news. In fact,

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01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: you're about two and a half have three weeks from

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01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 1: it being urgent. Yeah. The good news is Ryan Bates

1327
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 1: is working his way back into the practice setting. He

1328
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 1: was back on the practice field yesterday. Still not doing

1329
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:13,600
Speaker 1: teamwork yet, much like Spencer Brown, but he is on

1330
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 1: the road to a full return to practice. So we'll

1331
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 1: wait on that and monitor that. And Spencer Brown has

1332
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:26,639
Speaker 1: been getting closer and closer to being cleared for team

1333
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 1: work as well. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens

1334
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 1: as soon as next week, if not sooner. So we'll

1335
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 1: have to keep our eyes on that development and where

1336
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 1: that goes. But you get those two guys back, now

1337
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 1: you've got the right side of your line intact, and

1338
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 1: all you're missing is saffold. At that point you can start, Yeah,

1339
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:46,560
Speaker 1: you can start to get a feel for it, you know.

1340
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 1: And and also too, what gets forgotten in this These

1341
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 1: guys aren't on the field. We're thinking, why, oh my gosh,

1342
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 1: you start wringing your hands. They're there, they're in the meetings,

1343
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,639
Speaker 1: they're taking part in the conversation. These can't step into

1344
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 1: the play. They're sitting standing right on the side lines.

1345
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 1: They're talking to the other offensive lineman. They're taking mental rips.

1346
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 1: So it's not like they're getting dropped in don't know

1347
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:08,639
Speaker 1: the words, don't know the calls, don't know the plays.

1348
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 1: They know all of that stuff. It's just getting a

1349
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 1: feel for it and doing it with a guy that

1350
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 1: you're actually gonna be taking live snaps with. It's it's

1351
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 1: an important part of the equation, but it's only the

1352
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 1: final you know, Cherry on top of the cake of

1353
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 1: training camp. Marty from the mail Bag asks, what's the

1354
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:30,640
Speaker 1: latest on this punting competition? So Steve and I were

1355
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:35,680
Speaker 1: talking about this a little bit last week, and I

1356
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 1: think it kind of went this way, and I think

1357
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 1: it still holds true. The last time we saw these

1358
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 1: guys punted in practice, it was my opinion that Matt

1359
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 1: Ariza was just a little bit more consistent with hang

1360
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 1: time and distance than Hawk. That's not to say Hawk

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01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:55,639
Speaker 1: didn't have some good punts. He did, but he also

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01:20:55,760 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 1: had some subpar efforts and Ariza had few of those

1363
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 1: than Hawk did. And Steve and I had this conversation

1364
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 1: right on the sideline watching practice together. If things are

1365
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 1: relatively even between the rookie and hack, it wouldn't surprise

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01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:24,799
Speaker 1: us if they side with the rookie because there's more upside.

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01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 1: There's if he is as good as Hawk is and

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01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 1: he's a rookie, logic tells you with proper player development

1369
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 1: from special teams coordinator Matthew Smiley along with his assistance,

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01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 1: he's going to get better. He is still relatively young

1371
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 1: at the position, Arise. It comes from a soccer background.

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01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 1: He actually got a scholarship to San Diego State as

1373
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 1: a place kicker first before doing some punting as well.

1374
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 1: But then he does so well with his leg strength

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01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 1: that he's drafted as a punter. So still young at

1376
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 1: the position, you can argue that there's a ton of

1377
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 1: upside there with a lot of great natural ability. So

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01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 1: if all, if things are equal, by the time we

1379
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:10,760
Speaker 1: get to the end of the preseason, I think we

1380
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 1: would both anticipate they side with the rookie and bank

1381
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 1: on upside. Yeah, and there's a reason they brought him in.

1382
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 1: And Hawk was a little inconsistent last year, And you

1383
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 1: can say what you want. Some of it might have

1384
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:26,759
Speaker 1: been the fact that he didn't work too much because

1385
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 1: the offense was offense was so good at the end

1386
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:30,599
Speaker 1: of the season. I mean, he went through two games,

1387
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 1: didn't put punt. So the last two New England games,

1388
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 1: you gotta you know, it's a pro. You can't let

1389
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 1: that be an excuse. But you know, the stuff about holding,

1390
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 1: I've said it a lot and I was on with

1391
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 1: you know the morning guys. You know, holding is easy

1392
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 1: to learn that, but that doesn't make it less important.

1393
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 1: So it's the pressure that you got to deal with

1394
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 1: more so than the act of actually holding the ball

1395
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 1: for the kicker and his punting. I'm with you, Brownie.

1396
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 1: I think Ariza has been much more consistent. And also

1397
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 1: even his bad punts are not bad. They're not horrific punts.

1398
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:13,919
Speaker 1: Um and his big punts you know, or game changers.

1399
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's he's got the leg up. Oh mind

1400
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 1: stupid even know you're doing that. His job hits his job.

1401
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 1: I think he's the guy right now. Although Hawk has

1402
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 1: got some experience and and they you know, and they

1403
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 1: he's got, you know, the depth of knowledge that they

1404
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 1: know about him. I think Ariza Um is the is

1405
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 1: gonna be the guy. But I don't know. I mean,

1406
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 1: we're sitting here looking by the naked eye. We've done

1407
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 1: all the stuff. I've got the get off times for

1408
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 1: the kickers, I've got the hang times for the punts,

1409
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. Um, but consistent. I think the

1410
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 1: one thing that more so than anything, particularly for a

1411
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 1: young pund or, is consistency. You don't want to hit

1412
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 1: it off the side of your foot when you're in

1413
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 1: your own end in a playoff game. Yeah. The interesting

1414
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 1: thing about a rise At watching him punt is he

1415
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 1: punts like a goalkeeper in soccer. He's not the traditional

1416
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 1: classic you know, heel over your head punter, you know

1417
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 1: what I mean, like that full gymnastic like follow through. Right.

1418
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 1: He pretty much stops at his shoulder when he kicks it.

1419
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 1: He looks like a soccer goalkeeper doing that when a

1420
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 1: soccer goalkeeper punts the ball. So it's interesting the soccer

1421
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 1: back ground and you get you know, remember the old

1422
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 1: days when the guys used to swing it in their leg,

1423
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:42,639
Speaker 1: would go all the way up to their face mask. Yeah,

1424
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 1: Brian Mormon used to do that. Yeah, um yeah, yeah.

1425
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:51,320
Speaker 1: Do it's your own way, you know, whatever works. You're right,

1426
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 1: he does look like a goalkeeper punts. Let's go back

1427
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:57,759
Speaker 1: to the mail bag. Last one here from Charlie predicting

1428
01:24:57,800 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 1: the final wide receiving corps is so tough. You think

1429
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 1: Crowder is a lock, But Mackenzie and Shakier tearing it

1430
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 1: up while he hurt while he's hurt complicates that. Does

1431
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 1: Stevenson get a spot as a returner or as Austin

1432
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:10,640
Speaker 1: played well enough to bump him? Does Kumero stick for

1433
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 1: special teams? Great problems to have? Yeah? And are they

1434
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 1: are great problems? Charlie, You're right. Stevenson's injured now. He's

1435
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:20,639
Speaker 1: going to be out multiple weeks with a foot injury,

1436
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 1: so that is going to take him out of the

1437
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 1: mix for the foreseeable future. Then, while yes, Mackenzie and

1438
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 1: Shakier have torn it up, Crowder's back now. And I

1439
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 1: thought he had a pretty darn good day yesterday, And

1440
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 1: I do see a role for him on this team.

1441
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:41,640
Speaker 1: He's too valuable and too proven a veteran to not

1442
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 1: have him on the roster in my opinion. So as

1443
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:47,679
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, he's on the roster. So now

1444
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 1: what you're looking at here is Digs, Davis, McKenzie, Crowder, Shakir.

1445
01:25:56,320 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 1: That's five. So now you've arguably got you got one

1446
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 1: spot left? Is it Kumaro? Is it Austin? Is Stevenson back?

1447
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:11,200
Speaker 1: From injury. Those are the questions that time will only answer.

1448
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 1: And if you remember last year, Steve Stevenson got put

1449
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:18,640
Speaker 1: on IR in the preseason or a non playing designation.

1450
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 1: I can't remember it. It wasn't it. Yeah, I think

1451
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 1: it was injured reserve or PUP one of those. In

1452
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 1: any event, he wasn't active for the beginning of the

1453
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 1: year because he had a foot injury then, so that

1454
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 1: the injury might actually be it's not a blessing for Stevenson,

1455
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 1: but it could be a blessing for the team in

1456
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 1: terms of making the decision for them to a certain

1457
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 1: degree while all while also being able to hold onto

1458
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:48,960
Speaker 1: him with an injury designation, if you know what I'm saying.

1459
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 1: So the night we've got eight names like step Stepan Diggs,

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Speaker 1: Gabe Davis, Isaiah McKenzie, Jamison Crowder, Khalil Shaker, Kumaro Stevenson,

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Speaker 1: and Haylon Austin. That's eight. That doesn't even get down

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Speaker 1: into Isaiah POWs and Neil Powell and yeah, yeah, Hodgens.

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Speaker 1: So there's a long way to go. But it's a

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Speaker 1: tight it's a it's a crowded room. Preseason games are

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Speaker 1: gonna have to separate some of these guys. Some of

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Speaker 1: these guys are gonna have to separate themselves in preseason performances.

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Speaker 1: It's just no two ways about it, and it's not

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Speaker 1: going to be easy. We have to take a break,

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Speaker 1: Steve and I to close things up when we return

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Speaker 1: here on One Bill's Live presented by Collot of Health,

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Speaker 1: It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right, Steve, We've got the

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Speaker 1: return of the Blue and Red practice at high Mark

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Speaker 1: Stadium here to night at five thirty. All tickets have

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Speaker 1: been distributed, So if you're coming down, be ready to

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Speaker 1: have some fun. And if you can't make it, we'll

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Speaker 1: have a full report for you on what went on

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Speaker 1: on Buffalo bills dot Com later this evening. UH Five

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Speaker 1: Players to Watch Steve was a write up I put

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Speaker 1: up on Buffalo bills dot com for tonight players to watch.

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Speaker 1: I began with the undrafted rookie Alec Anderson, who we

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Speaker 1: kind of already talked about, and then I listed a

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Speaker 1: couple other rookies, James Cook and Khalil Shaker, and then

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Speaker 1: I added Ed Oliver because he's just been so fun

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Speaker 1: to watch and so dang dominants. He seems poised yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then Saran Neil I threw in there because I

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Speaker 1: think he might be ready. Steve, you know, and Leslie

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Speaker 1: Fraser talked about this. He's he's unquestionably a physical talent

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Speaker 1: to play at this level. But we heard Leslie talking

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Speaker 1: about how he's finally meshing the mental side of the

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Speaker 1: game with those physical gifts, and he might be able

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Speaker 1: to you know, spell some people like corner if they meet, right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: sarans athlete enough to pay. He's a great special team Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's he's he's athlete enough to play anywhere in the secondary.

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Speaker 1: You're getting chance to see him. He's a dominant special

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Speaker 1: teams player, a Pro Bowl caliber special teams player, and

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Speaker 1: we'll see if his role expands. But all those other guys,

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Speaker 1: Alec Anderson, James Cook, Seran Neil at Oliver, and Khalil

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Speaker 1: Shaker good article. Enjoy practice tonight. While you're waiting for

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Speaker 1: practice to start, check out the Bills by the Number

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Speaker 1: podcast on any podcast platform. Steven I got a good

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Speaker 1: episode for you. We'll see him Monday at one back

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Speaker 1: at Camp