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Speaker 1: Welcome to How the Money. I'm Joel, I'm Matt, and

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Speaker 1: today we're talking frugal travel with The New York Times.

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Speaker 1: Elaine glue Sack. That's right. Everyone loves to travel. Who

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Speaker 1: doesn't enjoy exploring a new country right, or tasting new

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Speaker 1: and interesting foods, diving into the history and culture of

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Speaker 1: a new city, or if you are less adventurous at

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Speaker 1: the very least, I'm thinking like kicking back and living

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Speaker 1: like a local. That might sound appealing to you, but

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Speaker 1: the problem is that it's too expensive to travel, or

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Speaker 1: so you think. Uh, And this is why we are

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Speaker 1: excited to have a Lane glue Sack, a k a.

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Speaker 1: The frugal traveler from over over at the Times joining

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Speaker 1: us on the podcast. Today, we're gonna discuss the tricks

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Speaker 1: to book the most affordable. We're gonna talk about the

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Speaker 1: best time of year to travel, maybe Elaine's favorites, under

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Speaker 1: the radar destinations, and plenty more on the topic of

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Speaker 1: travel today. Elaine, thank you for joining us. Wow, thanks

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Speaker 1: guys so much for having me. It's great to be here.

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Speaker 1: Glad we can pin you down like that. You're not

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Speaker 1: wandering in Siberia or walking the Great Wall of China

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Speaker 1: are doing fet right, Yes, in a submarine of those

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Speaker 1: places are allowable at the moment, but yes, far from OK.

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Speaker 1: Right now, Well, we're glad to get to chat with you, Elaine.

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Speaker 1: And the first question we ask everyone who comes on

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Speaker 1: the show. I'm guessing I could pick probably the answer

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Speaker 1: to this on your behalf. But Matt and I we

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Speaker 1: like to splurge. We drink craft beer, and we spend

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Speaker 1: more than some people think is smart on our craft beer.

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Speaker 1: But what is something that you like to splot john

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Speaker 1: in the here and now while you're also saving and

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Speaker 1: investing for the future. Well, bravo. I also like craft beer.

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Speaker 1: But beside that, I feel like travel is my big

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Speaker 1: spl I literally like my car is like twelve years

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Speaker 1: old and I won't replace it until it dies. And

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Speaker 1: you know, really, I'm never going to be confused for

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Speaker 1: a fashionista, but I feel like I want to spend

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Speaker 1: all my money on travel and and things associated with travel.

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Speaker 1: But even I guess within travel, I mean that's sad.

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Speaker 1: Occasionally I will spring for an airline upgrade, like on

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Speaker 1: a international flight. There's um these airline auctions for upgrade spots,

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Speaker 1: like like a business class seat and you might get

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Speaker 1: get an offer and you can bid on it, and

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Speaker 1: so you might get like a first class seat for

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Speaker 1: an extra two dollars, and you know sometimes when it's

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Speaker 1: a fourteen hour flight, you're like, yeah, I think I

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Speaker 1: can make that, you know, I can, I can justify that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that certainly feels so travel in general, that that seems

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Speaker 1: like it's more in the vein of work for you.

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Speaker 1: This is this is what you do. But the that

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Speaker 1: upgrade that that certainly sounds more personal purpose, right about that? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how did you get into travel? You know, you call

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Speaker 1: yourself a travel addict? Like what led to to your

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Speaker 1: obsession with traveling the world? Oh? Wow, good question. I mean,

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Speaker 1: my my family were always really big travelers, and you know,

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Speaker 1: we just sort of did a lot of road tripping around.

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Speaker 1: And you know, my parents were the only people that

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Speaker 1: And and I think, um, once I started my journalism career,

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Speaker 1: I think gradually you sort of gravitate to, you know,

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Speaker 1: always travel, all right, So how did you get to

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Speaker 1: become the frugal traveler writer at the New York Times?

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Speaker 1: And also is it the greatest job on earth? I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of people sitting on the sidelines would say,

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Speaker 1: like I got to work every day. A lane's work

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Speaker 1: is to go travel places and write about it. I'm jealous,

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Speaker 1: Like what did I do wrong in life? They're not wrong,

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Speaker 1: Like I have nothing to complain about, Like it's so

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Speaker 1: great to do what you love is just as it is,

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Speaker 1: a real blessing. But yeah, you know, I just had

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Speaker 1: you know, I sort of took a very new sort

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Speaker 1: what the New York Times does? You know? A lot

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Speaker 1: of travel writers are in it for the works of free,

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Speaker 1: So I guess some of that reporting must have distinguished

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Speaker 1: Very cool. Yeah, that's and that's obviously what we're interested

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like a like a travel diary in

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Speaker 1: a sense. But all right, let's talk about airfare when

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Speaker 1: it comes to international travel, at least that's oftentimes what

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Speaker 1: prices on airfare in flight, I think more than anything

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Speaker 1: else over the past couple of years. Do you think

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Speaker 1: it's harder to travel frugally given current inflationary environment that

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Speaker 1: we're experiencing, Well, I'm when it comes to air fairry, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think inflation is up. You guys would know better

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Speaker 1: getting a little better. Great, but air fares are up

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Speaker 1: and that's not just inflation, that's um jet fuel. You know.

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Speaker 1: really high flight cancelations and just sort of the scrambling

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Speaker 1: their recovery has something to do with it. Staff shortages

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Speaker 1: I think they see that demand is high, and you know,

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Speaker 1: want to go. Obviously, if you can be flexible with

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Speaker 1: But another concern that I have is it's it's really like,

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Speaker 1: um these smaller carriers that have these really cheap flights

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Speaker 1: it's like you also have to walk their dog or

428
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Speaker 1: pee their cat. But people who love it and have

429
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Speaker 1: done it successfully use it as a way to really

430
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Speaker 1: see the world at a bargain rate. And they also

431
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Speaker 1: extol the benefits of sort of being a local, really

432
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Speaker 1: living like a local, Like you're walking someone's dog in

433
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Speaker 1: their neighborhood, you know you're going to meet other dog owners,

434
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Speaker 1: so it's kind of a nice perk and it is

435
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Speaker 1: absolutely free. I mean, I think you have to have

436
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Speaker 1: a like a nominal membership hunterd dollars or something um

437
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Speaker 1: to the site, and you do have to be selected,

438
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 1: you have to apply, But that's a great way to

439
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Speaker 1: stay somewhere for free. Very cool, Elaine. I want to

440
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Speaker 1: ask you about destinations I'm curious of if you've got

441
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Speaker 1: any favorite and expensive under the radar destinations in in particular,

442
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Speaker 1: I would love to hear if you have some more

443
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Speaker 1: affordable alternatives to more popular spots, right and so oftentimes

444
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Speaker 1: for a lot of folks. Hawaii that's a destination that

445
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Speaker 1: folks will talk about for for a while. It's a

446
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Speaker 1: spot that my wife and I that we've discussed before.

447
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Speaker 1: But if we're like, well, is there a more affordable

448
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Speaker 1: poor man's Hawaiian, I'd be curious to hear if you

449
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 1: had some affordable alternative destinations for folks that are just

450
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Speaker 1: kind of under the radar. It's actually a great question

451
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: because I was looking at Hawaii last fall and I

452
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Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh, this is this is nuts.

453
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Speaker 1: I cannot I cannot go there. And it's like looking

454
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Speaker 1: at Kawai and I was like, wait a minute, there's

455
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Speaker 1: not a hotel under like four hundred dollars here. They

456
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 1: have stripping over your title. The frugal traveler. They'd be like, sorry, Lane,

457
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: everybody wants to go there. The prices are through the roof.

458
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Speaker 1: It is crazy. So you know, we're and I ended

459
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Speaker 1: up going to the Azores. Um. So, the Azores are

460
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Speaker 1: Portuguese islands that are sort of in the Atlantic, I

461
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Speaker 1: guess seven hundred miles or so east of Lisbon. And

462
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Speaker 1: I got there and um, you know, I was attracted

463
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Speaker 1: to it because it's you know, volcanic islands, great hiking,

464
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Speaker 1: wonderful waterfalls or even surfing. And then when I got there,

465
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Speaker 1: the Europeans, Yeah, the Europeans were like, oh yeah, it's

466
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Speaker 1: the Hawaii of Europe. And I'm like, okay, that makes sense.

467
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Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's on the euro um and

468
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: at that time it was one to one. We were

469
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Speaker 1: there in the fall. It's still really good. It's like

470
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Speaker 1: two cents to the dollar. I'm saying that there a

471
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Speaker 1: dollar gets you ninety two year old sins. Yeah. We

472
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Speaker 1: went in the off season. I think, you know, you

473
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Speaker 1: might want to avoid like European vacation, which is you know,

474
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Speaker 1: August July. But we were there in October and it

475
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Speaker 1: was exceedingly mild, wonderful, hiking, like you could still hike

476
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Speaker 1: to a waterfall and go in the waterfall. It was

477
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Speaker 1: really beautiful. UM. Food, food was a bargain. We were shocked,

478
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Speaker 1: you know, lodging was affordable, like I thought. I thought

479
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Speaker 1: it was great. Fine, I still want to go to Kauai.

480
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Speaker 1: I just have to find a better time. I guess. Okay, cool, No,

481
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Speaker 1: I like that. And I think, for a while, I

482
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Speaker 1: think Delta was flying NonStop to the Azores from Atlanta,

483
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Speaker 1: so for us, that's there you go. And UM, I

484
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Speaker 1: think United does it seasonally out of Newark. We took

485
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Speaker 1: as a line out of Boston and it was like,

486
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like a five hour flight, so it's

487
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Speaker 1: really easy too. But yeah, I mean so that brings

488
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Speaker 1: up a point to make about an exchange. Exchange rates

489
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Speaker 1: so obviously great places to go our you know, our

490
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Speaker 1: exchange rate friends like Canada UM and Mexico UM. For

491
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Speaker 1: so long, both of those have been a great bargain.

492
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Speaker 1: You know, when you exchange the dollar, you get you know,

493
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Speaker 1: such value UM in both of those places. So I

494
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Speaker 1: think I think Canada gets overlooked a lot. And it's

495
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: it's UM, it's US. It's like thirty off. Basically, it's

496
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Speaker 1: it's really great. I think South America has a lot

497
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Speaker 1: of value and for some reason we in North America

498
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Speaker 1: don't think about them. But every time I've been down there,

499
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Speaker 1: I'm like, it's extraordinary, and um, I don't find the

500
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Speaker 1: cost of living very high, highly recommendable into it's cheaper

501
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Speaker 1: once you get there. But it feels like we've always

502
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Speaker 1: had or at least over the last decade, cheaper flights

503
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Speaker 1: to Europe that we've been able to get to South America,

504
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Speaker 1: which has kind of been frustrating. Yeah. There, well, a

505
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Speaker 1: lot of the South American your ears, like Avianca and

506
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: even Copa out of Panama now has some really good

507
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Speaker 1: fares um and they'll go you know, you might have

508
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Speaker 1: to connect through Panama, but they're pretty good. I went

509
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Speaker 1: down to Ecuador last May, and I was pretty excited

510
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Speaker 1: about it. I want to say, like I don't want

511
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Speaker 1: to say my fair round trip was about which I

512
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Speaker 1: didn't think was that bad considering that it is. As

513
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Speaker 1: far as going to Europe, I think that was on Arianca. Yeah, okay,

514
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Speaker 1: all right. So when you're making purchases overseas, when you're traveling,

515
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Speaker 1: are you using credit cards? Are you into credit card points?

516
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Speaker 1: What do you tell folks when they're talking like trying

517
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Speaker 1: to figure out how to pay for travel. We of

518
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Speaker 1: course don't want people to use a credit card and

519
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Speaker 1: then not pay it off, but it's also typically the

520
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Speaker 1: best tool, we say, for people to be able to

521
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Speaker 1: pay for pay for things overseas when it comes to

522
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Speaker 1: exchange rates and avoiding fees. But what, yeah, what are

523
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Speaker 1: your thoughts? How do you spend money when you're abroad? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I do always use a credit card just because I

525
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Speaker 1: want those points, and I also at the better exchange

526
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Speaker 1: I want the better exchange rate that you get through

527
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Speaker 1: the bank and you're going to get, you know, using

528
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Speaker 1: dollars or any other form really taking out money, taking

529
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Speaker 1: out cash. I mean points people are real specialists. You

530
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Speaker 1: guys probably know them and you probably have interviewed them.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like it's a real specialty to really

532
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Speaker 1: maximize the use of your credit card points. Um. I

533
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Speaker 1: find that it requires a level of attention that I

534
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: don't have and I'm really bad at it. Like I

535
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Speaker 1: do use my points for flights and stuff like that.

536
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Speaker 1: But um, you know, the points guy has a new

537
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Speaker 1: app um that aggregates all your points. So it's it's

538
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: kind of a good starting place for anyone that wants

539
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: to see how wealthy they are on paper with all

540
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Speaker 1: their points, and then you'll spin that into a trip

541
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Speaker 1: like I do. I do recommend that I do have

542
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Speaker 1: that on my phone, and every once a while I

543
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Speaker 1: look at and I go, oh man, I'm like, I'm like,

544
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm like huge in American airlines. I need to go somewhere.

545
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: I got to spin that thing down like the warm

546
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: buppet of frequent flyer miles. Points are just burned a

547
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Speaker 1: whole night. And the thing is they say points constantly

548
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: to value, so it's like, don do not hoard them

549
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: like you need to use them? So I do. I do,

550
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: actually try to use my a lot, and sometimes I

551
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: use them for upgrades. Very cool. And so last summer

552
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: you wrote about how cruises, how they seem to be

553
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: a solid option for folks who are looking to travel

554
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: and and not spend a ton of money, you know.

555
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: They I feel like cruises went from this thing that

556
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: everybody was trying to everybody was staying away from around

557
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: the beginning of the pandemic, with folks who are just

558
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: like never gained and locked on a boat for thirty days.

559
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 1: But the attitudes have changed, and if that's where the

560
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Speaker 1: deals are, should we consider them? What would you what

561
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Speaker 1: would you say to that? I mean, yeah, you can

562
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Speaker 1: get on a lot of really inexpensive cruises for sure,

563
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Speaker 1: like especially in popular places like the Caribbean and Alaska.

564
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Speaker 1: Like you can do seven days in Alaska for four

565
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: so that's your lodging and all your food. Yeah. I

566
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Speaker 1: mean I've never pretty good, so I've never been on

567
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Speaker 1: a cruise before. Maybe I should consider it. If I

568
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Speaker 1: was going to do one, I think Alaska would be

569
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Speaker 1: my number one. Yeah, let me see, would be up

570
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Speaker 1: there and Iceberg get calved? Yes, yes, you want to

571
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: see that. You know, there's like um in the cruise industry.

572
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: They'll say that there are ship cruises and there are

573
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Speaker 1: destination cruises. Like ship cruises are like you're really there

574
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Speaker 1: for the ship, like maybe in the Caribbean, but like

575
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: Alaska's a destination cruise, like you want to go there

576
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Speaker 1: to like get off the ship and do stuff. And

577
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: the cool thing about Alaska is that like you kind

578
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Speaker 1: of don't have to pay for expensive excursions to really

579
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: enjoy it, Like you can get off and just go hiking,

580
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, and it's amazing, and they get that kind

581
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: of ship you know, and have like fish and chips

582
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,479
Speaker 1: in port. You know, it's it's it's like pretty awesome. Anyway.

583
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: I love Alaska. I'm kind of an Alaska geek, so

584
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 1: so yeah, I think cruises can be a good place

585
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: for for value. You kind of got to watch it there.

586
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: I feel like they do always try to upsell you,

587
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to like alcohol and onboard purchases, um.

588
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: And they do want you to take their excursions, and

589
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: they tend to like scare you. Oh if if you

590
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: go with someone else who's not you know, certified by

591
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: our ship, then and if you miss the boat coming back,

592
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: then you know, we have no liability. But you know

593
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Speaker 1: you're not going to do that. I am a big

594
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: proponent just getting off the ship and wandering around and

595
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna have a great time without about cruise,

596
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: where would you tell people to go, because like the flights,

597
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: it's a little easier to track and get, but it's

598
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: when you when you're like trying to figure out where

599
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: to go to book the cruise. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: go to carnival dot com, right, Like where do I

601
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: want to go to check out like the best fairs,

602
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: best rates for a bunch of different cruise ships. Yeah,

603
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: I mean it's um a little bit of unexpected answer.

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00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: But like travel agents really have this market sewn up,

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Speaker 1: Like they have a lot of power in the in

606
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Speaker 1: the cruise industry, and if you book through one of them,

607
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: usually they can get you better perks and placement on

608
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: the ship and and you know, maybe a few extras.

609
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: So it's not often that I would recommend a travel agent,

610
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: but a lot of them really kind of know their industry. Um,

611
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: and it's it can be really hard I think for

612
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Speaker 1: someone who's never cruise before to say, like what do

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Speaker 1: I want? You know, there's like so many ships to

614
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Speaker 1: choose from. You know, what's what's a good value, what's

615
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: the right one for me? And I think like in

616
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Speaker 1: that case, you might want a specialist And as I said,

617
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: they can often give you, like, if not a better rate,

618
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: they can get you some perks. Yeah. Well, so on

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Speaker 1: that note, I mean so Costco, Sam's Club, the warehouse clubs,

620
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: they've got their own their own travel programs, um triple

621
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: A like that membership often comes with discounts as well.

622
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Speaker 1: Does it make sense to turn to some of those

623
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Speaker 1: programs if you're looking to book travel, whether you're looking

624
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: at cruises or other types of travel. Yes, I think so.

625
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: I mean people that I haven't done that myself. I

626
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: think we have. We do have Triple A membership, I

627
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: mean just for road tripping, and I think we get

628
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Speaker 1: like ten percent off of the major branded hotels, which

629
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: we don't stay at a lot anyway. Um, but you know,

630
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: people swear by Costco for trips. Um. Like people have

631
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: even told me like their safaris are amazing. I'm like,

632
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: really interesting, Well, Joe swears my Costco no matter what.

633
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: And to be able to go on a safari that

634
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: also says Kirkland signature on it, I think you'd be overjoyed.

635
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: I've got the Kirkland signature lower back tattoo lane, so

636
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: you go. And I think, like with rental cars, though

637
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: they always have good deals, I feel like if you

638
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Speaker 1: can't get ten percent off your rental car, you're not

639
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Speaker 1: like getting the bust deal because I feel like that's

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Speaker 1: available in so many ways. Well, we've got a few

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Speaker 1: more additional topics and some more questions to get to Eline,

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00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: including Joe and I we both got a lot of kids,

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Speaker 1: and we're starting to consider traveling more with our kiddos.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to ask you a question about that

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Speaker 1: and more right after this. All right, let's keep going.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about frugal travel with Elaine Gluzac from the

647
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Speaker 1: New York Times. She is the frugal traveler and Elaine,

648
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Speaker 1: I want to ask to, like, one of the things

649
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Speaker 1: that can help save money, right is taking a longer trip. Granted,

650
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: for most Americans, it's hard to get away from work

651
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Speaker 1: that long. It's hard to take a month and a

652
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Speaker 1: half long sabbatical. But yeah, do you prefer I'm curious,

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Speaker 1: do you prefer long travel short travel? Do you like

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Speaker 1: to you know, be an place for an entire month

655
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Speaker 1: where it's going to cost more overall, but you're gonna

656
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Speaker 1: have a lower price per day? Like, how do you

657
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Speaker 1: think about the timing of travel? I think, if I

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Speaker 1: didn't have this job, I'd probably stay longer, but usually

659
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: I have to go onto the next thing. But I thought, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, because a lot of times, if you're going abroad,

661
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Speaker 1: the biggest ticket item is going to be that flight,

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Speaker 1: you know, So if you can stay longer, you're sort

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Speaker 1: of like amortizing that that price out obviously better for

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Speaker 1: the environment as well. But um and often like airbnb

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Speaker 1: s will have discount discounted rates for longest days um

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Speaker 1: of two weeks or more, so you can get like

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Speaker 1: ten or off, which is really great. I would love

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Speaker 1: to stay longer, and I know more people are doing that.

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Speaker 1: For me, it's just a little bit harder, I will

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Speaker 1: say that, I am, I am, I am trying to

671
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Speaker 1: take a little more time. I think before the pandemic

672
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: of the treadmill was running a little too fast. Do

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Speaker 1: you I mean, do you have any additional tips? So,

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of folks out there who

675
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: are starting to realize that they can potentially live that

676
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: digital nomad lifestyle. Right. It's so, yeah, what what do

677
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Speaker 1: you know? What you have for folks who want to

678
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Speaker 1: travel NonStop um and able to work from wherever. Yeah.

679
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Speaker 1: So the good news is that there's a lot of um,

680
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Speaker 1: you know, this is happening, and there's travel industry is

681
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: adapting to this, and they're pretty excited about it. Like

682
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Speaker 1: and in addition to you know, just regular hotel and

683
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Speaker 1: hostile companies breaking into this, there's a brand called Selena

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Speaker 1: s c L I n A, which is kind of like, um,

685
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Speaker 1: it's kind of like a hostile meets a coworking space,

686
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Speaker 1: and you can you can literally stay there for four

687
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Speaker 1: a month, which is like really good. I don't I

688
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: don't know anyone who pays for hunred dollars a month

689
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Speaker 1: and rent, Like it's really good. Obviously you still have

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Speaker 1: you know, your living expenses, food and entertainment and things.

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00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: But but um, it's a great way to go. And

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00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: they have locations all around the world, and then they

693
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Speaker 1: really set up for people that are actually working, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, great WiFi, good connections, working spaces, meeting spaces.

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Speaker 1: It's so much easier now to do what you know,

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Speaker 1: pioneering digital nomads were doing, you know, so long ago,

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Speaker 1: and just a few locations. You know, like people you

698
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: should just go to Thailand, you know, because it was

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Speaker 1: really affordable and stay there from mouth. Now you can

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Speaker 1: go all over the world, um, with someone like Selena

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Speaker 1: and just and make it really affordable. That's actually where

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Speaker 1: my little sister is right now. She's hanging out in Thailand,

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00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: and it is I've been there. It is dirt cheap

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Speaker 1: and absolutely lovely place to visit. But Yeah, it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: I think you hit on something great there that probably

706
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: needs to be even reinforced that a digital nomads, I

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Speaker 1: feel like, can live cheaper than they're just American based counterparts,

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Speaker 1: because there's I just feel like there's so many ways

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Speaker 1: to travel inexpensively, to stay places and expensively to pinpoint

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Speaker 1: the places that you visit right to make sure that

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Speaker 1: your travel actually cost you less than your life back

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00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: at home. Oh yeah, for sure. And a lot of um,

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Speaker 1: a lot of governments are making it easier to do

714
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Speaker 1: this too by offering these nomads sorry visas um too,

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Speaker 1: remote workers or even retired people with a certain income level.

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Speaker 1: They're really a courting these people that will stay for

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Speaker 1: a long time and support their economies. And as you note,

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00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: like Thailand, um, Ecuador, Greece, a lot of these places

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Speaker 1: are just full of nomads, whether they're like seniors or

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Speaker 1: like your sister, who's probably not she's not living there,

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Speaker 1: she's just visiting. But she's the kind of person I

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00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 1: could totally see, you know, just leaving this country and

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Speaker 1: saving a lot of money and living kind of kind

724
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Speaker 1: of that international nomad lifestyle. Yeah, yeah, alright, so I

725
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Speaker 1: kind of alluded to this all right before the break.

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Speaker 1: But Jule and I we we feel that we're starting

727
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Speaker 1: to get to the stage where we can do some

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Speaker 1: bigger family trips now that we're out of the newborn stage.

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Speaker 1: That being said, under a lot of folks travel with

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Speaker 1: their babies as well. But do you have tips for

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Speaker 1: making family travel less painful? You talked about how you

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Speaker 1: and like while you were a kid, yelling on a

733
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Speaker 1: lot of road trips. Obviously that's the most affordable way, right,

734
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Speaker 1: It's like you don't buy six sprobly in the station wagon,

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00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: all get in the car and pay for Philip one

736
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Speaker 1: tank of gas. But I would love to hear your

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Speaker 1: tips here. Yeah, I mean I am a huge proponent

738
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Speaker 1: of family travel. I mean I think start early and

739
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: go often. I just you know, I just think the

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Speaker 1: value of travel can't be overstated to like a hungry

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Speaker 1: growing mind, um, like a child's um. I think it's

742
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Speaker 1: so important. And and as you said, like road trips

743
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: are great. You know, basically you've got your traveling living

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00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: room right, Like nobody knows what's happening in your car.

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Speaker 1: There their children napping, there's cheerios everywhere. It's fine, Like

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Speaker 1: nobody has nab all of it. Yeah, and you know

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Speaker 1: you don't have to go yeah, and you don't have

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Speaker 1: to go far to find adventure, Like you can go

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Speaker 1: camping down the road, you know, we're starting your backyard,

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Speaker 1: you know, or take your bikes out for day trip,

751
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: like obviously you have to mind their like energy levels,

752
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: and that's when the car always comes into candy, Like, okay,

753
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: throw you in here now we're all napping. But yeah,

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00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: so starting with road trips, of course, I think camping

755
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: is great kids kids love that. And I also think

756
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: like the challenge of like sort of living off the

757
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: grid is really fun for everybody, Like, hey, how do

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Speaker 1: we start a fire, you know, and how are we

759
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: going to cook this dinner? We don't have like a microwave?

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Speaker 1: How do we make popcorns? You know? These are like

761
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: great challenges and and really fun for kids. I I

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Speaker 1: was just in death Faily National Park doing a camping

763
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Speaker 1: trip myself. I did a van trip actually with a friend,

764
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Speaker 1: and um, we were we were like hiking through these

765
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Speaker 1: canyons and it was just like this. We were like,

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Speaker 1: this is the most amazing living playground. And then just

767
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Speaker 1: as we said that to each other and we both

768
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Speaker 1: have kids. We turned around and we saw this like

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Speaker 1: dad and his son and then the sun was like

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Speaker 1: walking on these ledges and jumping down into the sand,

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Speaker 1: and you know, the dad would do it. And I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, that's like that's exactly why

773
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: we travel, right to unplug and and have all these great,

774
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: these great memories together. Yeah. Well, your story there just

775
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: makes me think too. Do you feel like with the

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Speaker 1: advent of like cheap airfare to Europe and stuff like that,

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Speaker 1: that we're like travel inside this country is underutilized. I

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00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: feel like there's so many great destinations and maybe we're like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I lived, I live in this country, even

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Speaker 1: though it's so diverse. There's fifty states, there's like tons

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Speaker 1: of national parks to go see, there's amazing things to

782
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: go do that we just kind of underrate domestic travel.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's a good question. I don't know. I yeah,

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00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: for sure, domestic can be um more affordable when you're

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Speaker 1: you know, paying for the whole clan. I will say

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Speaker 1: one thing in the European corner is that I do

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Speaker 1: find that the the cultures there are super family friendly

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Speaker 1: and in a way that we're not. I feel like

789
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Speaker 1: family friendly in the United States is shorthand for like, oh,

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00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: send the kid to Disney, which is not I mean,

791
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Speaker 1: that's not the way that I want to raise my kid.

792
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: It's not what I'm into. I don't like theme parks.

793
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Speaker 1: But I felt like if I went to Spain, like

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00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: I'd be allowed to take him to like nice restaurants

795
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: and um and everyone would be okay with that. And

796
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: you know, you could take them to the Coogan Heim

797
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: and Bill Blau and no one's gonna like look at

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Speaker 1: you sideways if he goes wow a loud, you know,

799
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: like like it's a pretty tolerant um uh like clan

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Speaker 1: friendly um culture. So I always thought that that was

801
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: kind of a nice thing to introduce your children too,

802
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 1: when they're small enough to realize that, you know, there's

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00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: cultures that treat you like full individuals, um, not just

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00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: like I guess to be heard, you know, seen and

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Speaker 1: not heard, which I do feel like. I do feel

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00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: like it's somehow like it's very infantalizing here the way

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Speaker 1: they treat children, and I would I sort of prefer

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Speaker 1: the European approach, But as you said, there's so many

809
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: like natural wonders to see here. UM. And you know,

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00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: start start wherever you can afford, is my advice. I

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Speaker 1: love it. Yeah, I like that approach to you. How

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Speaker 1: you're talking about kids, um, how maybe maybe they shouldn't

813
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: be second rate citizens yea, like, should treat them more

814
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Speaker 1: like adults and they will be able to grow into

815
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: that to a certain extent. But more than anything, I

816
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: think hearing your stories and you naming all these different

817
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: destinations and going on a trip with a girlfriend here

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Speaker 1: and then you know, going up to Canada or or

819
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: Alaska doing fishing or whatever, you know, hiking like these

820
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Speaker 1: are also inspiring and hopefully folks have been able to

821
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Speaker 1: feel encouraged maybe to get out there. Guy, I got

822
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 1: bit by the travel bug again exactly, But I mean

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Speaker 1: generally speaking, you know, travel it's one thing, but frugal

824
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Speaker 1: travel that is another. UM. And so do you have

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Speaker 1: any final additional advice, maybe that we haven't covered yet

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Speaker 1: for our listeners out there who want to book some

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Speaker 1: more frugal travel. Yeah, I think that, Um, one of

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Speaker 1: the things that traveling well requires is a fair amount

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Speaker 1: of research. So I like the planning. It sounds like

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Speaker 1: you guys do too, Like I find it really intriguing

831
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Speaker 1: to say, like I want to go to Scotland, but

832
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Speaker 1: where do I want to go in Scotland? And I

833
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: need to read a book in Scotland and figure that out.

834
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Speaker 1: Like I love doing that and um, it's half the

835
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: fun is dreaming about it. It totally is, and you know,

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Speaker 1: and the anticipation and all that stuff, but not everybody does.

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Speaker 1: So I get that, you know, and for those people,

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00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: they might want to outsource their planning, you know, to

839
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Speaker 1: someone who is an expert, because they don't have time

840
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Speaker 1: to become like an expert in Scotland in the two

841
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: weeks that you have to plan this trip. And so

842
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: you know, there's an industry for those people. It's called

843
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: travel agents and um, and there are a lot of

844
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: good ones. But I think if you're you know, a

845
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Speaker 1: frugal traveler and you're looking for a travel agent, you

846
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: need to like basically find someone who gets you, you know,

847
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: like basically interview them and let them know what your

848
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: budget is and are they willing to work with that.

849
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: I think there's so many travel agents now that you

850
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: probably can find some people. There's a lot of home

851
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: based travel agents. Um. A lot of that work is

852
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: very remote and part time for people. So I think

853
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: there are a lot more options. It's a little bit

854
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: hard to find them. I'm not saying it's it's going

855
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: to be easy. So that might be your you know,

856
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 1: your research is always some research, I guess, but yeah, um,

857
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: you know what your your budget is, and and make

858
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: sure that they're aware that you know, you're you're pre

859
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: firm about it. All right, that's great, Eline, so much

860
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: good advice in this conversation. Thank you so much for

861
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: joining us today on the podcast. We really appreciate it.

862
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. It was a lot of fun.

863
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: Nice all right, Joel, So what do you think? Is

864
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: it gonna be the Azores for you? Is there going

865
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: to be Ecuador? I'm gonna choose d all the above

866
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: kind of hear that even Canada, I mean they got

867
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: they got the discount? Is it? She said? Uh? Is

868
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: the dollar stronger? I think the Canadian dollar? I will

869
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: say the Alaska cruise, I'm not really I've never been

870
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: on a cruise. I don't have a ton of interest,

871
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: but yeah, if it's a destination cruise that does interest me.

872
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: And in Alaska cruise has been kind of on my

873
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: radar at least. And if it's four hundred bucks for

874
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: a week. I mean that sounds like something I'm down with.

875
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: How can they like, where is the profit? Like it

876
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: seems like they're losing money. If you're paying for a week,

877
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: you gotta fill that thing up with some gas or

878
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: I think you gotta scrub the deck like during the

879
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: during the hours, like just the I mean, yeah, the

880
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: fact that meals are included in that price as well,

881
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: it's pretty much pretty in addition to be we have

882
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: to get up there and stuff to the port right

883
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: first off, So that's at an expense, but still, um,

884
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: it's it's it sounds pretty cheap for a fun trip.

885
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: So wait, so that your big takeaway or you got

886
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: another one? No, that was that was cool. But I

887
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: think I really liked kind of at the end how

888
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: Elaine made travel feel accessible to everyone when and basically

889
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: said start with what you can afford. And I think

890
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: if travel is something to interest you, but you feel like, oh,

891
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: I don't have the money, I can't I can't jet

892
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: set to Europe. I don't have the time or the

893
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: ability to take a week off and the money to boot,

894
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, to make that trip happen. Starting with what

895
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: you can afford is a good mindset, a good way

896
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: to kind of get the ball rolling. And it doesn't

897
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: have to be this out of the park once in

898
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: a lifetime instagram orthy excursion, but it can be an

899
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: awesome trip. I was just thinking about one of the

900
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: last Tricks trips that Emily and I took, and we

901
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: hiked the Tulula Gorge in just about an hour and

902
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: a half north of where we are. We and and

903
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: just like we could have camped right outside of there

904
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: if we wanted, we didn't. We got a cheap airbnb.

905
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 1: But there's so many ways to do this cool stuff

906
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: that we want to do for less money. If you know,

907
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: you're like, if money is the thing that's holding you back,

908
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: start with what you can afford. Find stuff that's local.

909
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to cost that much, and yeah, work

910
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: yourself up over time to that international Scotland trip or whatever.

911
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that was just encourage good advice

912
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: from from a lane there. Yeah, it's a good good

913
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: thing to remember, like from an internal standpoint with how

914
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: it is that we think about travel and what it

915
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: is that we can afford, so I'll get super kind

916
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: of super practical. When we were talking about discount airlines.

917
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: I really liked how she focused. She brought up the

918
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 1: fact that if it is a route that an airline

919
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: doesn't fly all that often, like twice a week or

920
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 1: something like that, if there's a delay, you're screwed and

921
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: that is not the kind of position that you want

922
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: to be in. However, if you see that, oh, you

923
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: have a wide variety of times that you can choose from.

924
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: So they're flying you know, I don't know, like five

925
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 1: times a day from two and from this location. Well,

926
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: that's that's a different story. Um. And I think as

927
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: long as you know what the fees are that you're

928
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna be paying to you know, carry your your

929
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: backpack onto the plane because you're gonna be oftentimes nickeled

930
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: and dive. I still think it can be a fantastic

931
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: way to make travel by plane airfare more affordable. Um,

932
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: some people the hoops, know the hoops and jumping, Yeah,

933
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: So is it annoying sometimes you have to jump through hoops? Yes,

934
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: But I think that simultaneously it makes it more more approachable.

935
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: It makes traveling by play within reach for a lot

936
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: of folks, when otherwise it wouldn't be completely because they're

937
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: not flying on the luxury, they're not flying the Deltas

938
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: and e brets with some of those sins would have

939
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: been prohibitive in costs and you're like, okay, cool, but

940
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: they're like, I could do friends here though, exactly. And

941
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: if you know how to jump through those hoops and

942
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: make it work for you, that's great. And some trips

943
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: you might want to take that risk, and others you

944
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: might not. Depends on kind of what you're going for,

945
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: depends on the destination and routes exactly, a litany of factors,

946
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: all the specifics. But it's just fun to catch up

947
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: with Elaine the frugal traveler. But what were your thoughts

948
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: on the beer that we had today? This one was

949
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: called Society and Solitude number six by Hill Farmstead. You know,

950
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: what do you think? So a couple of things right

951
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: off the bat. This is a Hill Farmstead beer, which

952
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: we've never had on the show before. This is a

953
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: difficult brewery to get your hands on up and then secondly,

954
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: and we only got it by the way because listener, Michael,

955
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: that's right send it to us, so big thanks, big

956
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: thanks to him him as well as his wife Emily.

957
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: Listener of the show. But yeah, thank you so much

958
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: for sending this one our away. But also this is

959
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: uh an experimental I p A series, UH, and it's

960
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 1: named after Ralph Waldo Emerson's seminal work of the same name,

961
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: Society and Solitude. I like it. I have not read it.

962
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: I haven't either, but number six and so this is, uh,

963
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's more experimental, but I liked it as

964
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: well because we're talking about travel and you've got society

965
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: and solitude. I feel like those are the different things

966
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: that oftentimes you're going for when when you're planning a trip,

967
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: even going to visit a new city or going out

968
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 1: in the woods by yourself, like something like that, or

969
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of both. Absolutely, But yeah, yeah,

970
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: In short, this was a really really good I p. A.

971
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: Wasn't like off the charts, uh in the deep end

972
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: when it came to like the hazy characteristics. But it

973
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: also it wasn't necessarily like a West Coast I p A.

974
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: It was just it seemed like a really solid quality

975
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 1: I p A. He had just classic in its approach.

976
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: I thought, nothing crazy, but very very well made. You

977
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: just tell like the brewer knew what he or she

978
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: was doing the used quality ingredients, so I dug this one.

979
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: It's really good. Nothing, yeah, nothing, I feel like can

980
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: craft beer right now. Kitchen sink beers are all the rage,

981
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: and so it's like, oh, the fruity pebbles and fruit

982
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 1: loops and uh, you know, we just all sorts of

983
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: random stuff being tossed into beers. This one felt like

984
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: kind of a throwback to a classic where it's like

985
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: a few ingredients, simple but great, high quality ingredients though,

986
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: and it was I'll say too as well. It was

987
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 1: a touch. It was a touch on the bitter side

988
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: like that, but there was the sharpness from the hops.

989
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 1: Over all, the beer didn't carry too much of us

990
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: like a backbone of sweetness. But even still, I definitely

991
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: enjoyed it, even though I do tend to lean towards

992
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: the sweeter beers that are out there. But we'll make

993
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: sure to link to Elaine specifically where you can read

994
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: her articles over at the Times will link to her

995
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: side as well as her Instagram account and some of

996
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: the different some of the different social media accounts. Uh,

997
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: and maybe you can keep up with wherever she might

998
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: be in the world for sure. Yeah, and reading her

999
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: stuff is just gonna help you continue to make frugal

1000
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: travel choices because she's the best at that. So alright, Matt,

1001
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for this episode until next time.

1002
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: Best Friends Out, Best Friends Out,