WEBVTT - EP:78 Genesis: "The Birth of Bangin" 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:06.040 When all right, y'all a across the usc Compton Mats 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:10.360 Bank to l A from on the California turn around 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:13.760 in the valley. We represent that kill of county. So 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:16.280 if you're keeping it reil on your side of your town, 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:21.880 you tune into Gangster Chronicles, Gangster Chronic Goals. He gonna 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:25.360 tell you how we go if I lie my nose 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:27.560 a girl like Pinocchio, We're gonna tell you the truth 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:32.920 and nothing but the Chronicals. This is not your average show. 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:37.000 You're now tuned into the rail m c A, Big 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:46.200 James and Big Stairs strictly from the streets. Hello, we'd 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:48.000 like to welcome I. We want to another episode of 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:50.880 the Gainst the Chronicles podcast. Make sure you download that 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:54.360 I heard that. Search for Gainst Chronicles podcast on my iPhone. 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:58.400 Users to go to Apple podcast search for the Gamester Chronicles, subscribe, 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:01.800 leave a comment nfive star rating. Tonight, we have some 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:04.640 very special individuals in the house. And first let me 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:09.080 introduce my co host pick J. GMC. It's a it's 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:12.280 a lot to say about these two fellers here, and 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:14.440 and it's about time that we had a show like 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:18.360 this because not only me, not only eight cats that 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:21.960 has been on the streets and unaware of the information 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:24.720 that they're about to share with us. A lot of us, 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:27.640 brothers need to hear this because a lot of us 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:31.759 has been misled. Uh. I had the privilege of knowing 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:35.960 this man right here and and seeing his get down 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:39.400 and understanding my position in my place to be where 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:43.080 I was at, And I just want everybody to listen 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:47.760 and understand where these two men are coming from. It's 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:52.160 totally different from what we heard. UM. We we're about 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:54.920 to see. We're about to see. I think this is 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:57.320 gonna be the one well man, you know, I know 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:00.560 they've got a long history. Man, take year, take me 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:05.320 take a seven seventy one. All right, Melvin Farmer and 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:08.920 my companion and running made uh I Tolder Marvin Uh. 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:13.720 We represent credible messengers around the globe because it's out 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:16.880 of New York where we worked with UH Mayor Bowes 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:19.600 UH in New York where created but we're the first 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:24.680 representatives from Compton in Los Angeles to where we deal 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:29.560 with redefining the community. So the Nights Show it's gonna 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:31.720 take place in the year and it's it's I'm glad 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:35.320 you said the year nine seventy one, because that's where 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.200 we're gonna start. But if you're gonna see at the 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:40.840 end of this show, that's where I parted. So you're 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:44.840 gonna give us a tale of the real wood and 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.239 so to speak, we're gonna take you back in history 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:50.960 where we ain't telling your stories we've heard. We're telling 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:54.639 your men that have done all My friends had either 0:02:54.800 --> 0:03:00.480 thirty arrests by seventeen or convicted over homicide, had been 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:03.280 in jail over thirty times, and usually all three of 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:06.360 them had occurred. So we're going back to our era 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:11.600 to where uh, you're fitter here our witness testimony, because 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:16.000 we got to give all things to God, uh by faith, 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.720 because a lot of times, the only thing stronger than 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:22.120 a man's pride, it's a mother's love. So we have 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:25.440 to drop our pride and we're here to address something 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:28.359 that could affect the nation where we feel the use 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:31.880 of today there's no color lines, no cuts where we 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:36.880 feel that's a unit that the juvenile justice system must 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:41.279 be addressed. When we're talking about black issues and equality 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:46.000 and justice in America. I don't believe where you can 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:49.720 march where your feet bleed as a post to when 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:51.840 we're in jail. We know that you can say all 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:54.120 you want, but if you can't put someone on that paper, 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:57.839 no changes occurred, you're not coming home. So we're going 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:01.560 to the papers where we feel three areas side dress 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:07.320 and with coalition of a credible methods. But I'm also 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.640 with the organization side of Queen New York called Cold 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:15.240 Black Coalition and one of the members's Pat Robinson, executive 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:18.800 director of the colon Kapernet. Uh, you know your rights camp. 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.719 I work with her on this. We have a cold 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:25.720 host and do a project called I Think Twice. So 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:28.320 when whatever we say, we want you to think twice. 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:32.120 It's always two sides to a pancake. So we want 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:35.480 to be fair. But now we're gonna take you back 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:37.360 in the time to where we're gonna try to put 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.680 some eye drop in your ear. So we need to 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:43.320 come out of everything. She will be eclipsed so clear, 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:46.880 because we're gonna vote by facts not artifacts. That was 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:52.040 standing this is now. So let's get the show started. Mark, Uh, 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:54.719 when you started off? And what's going to the criminal 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.560 justice system? So as we're fit to address the juvenile 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:01.960 fitness here and where we believe that these kids are 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:06.880 being violated behind committing the crime at fifteen, and then 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:10.800 because the clock don't stop that the punishment turned to 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:14.800 adult sentence. When they couldn't vote, they couldn't go out 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:17.960 and drink, and they couldn't get drivers license. So why 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.840 wouldn't you go and take something that happened there and 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:23.880 see what I'm saying. Okay, well, well let's take you 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:28.840 back a little bit and tell us how as young 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:34.719 adolescents so to speak, was the was the scene back 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:38.600 in seventy one? Now, how you gentlemen, you know we 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.640 conducted ourselves where we was, from where he was from, 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:45.120 how you got started? What was the move behind? You 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:50.400 know the fourmator of where we established now the formation 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:53.400 and the crystallization of the cryption bloods as they know 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:59.520 on today in the nutshell nineteen seventy one, that's when 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:03.760 West east Side and comment what's then there was no 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:08.840 sense was no colors Uh took in them? Was he 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:12.000 was in fact of Brookings because Donald Archie sweep Back 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:17.480 introduced him. So during that time they all had I 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:21.800 would look at their demeanors, their characters, their styles and 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.840 their grace. That's what I got from Tookie because don't 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.680 forget it, from fourteen their delts, that's why the year 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:34.240 starts at So now they never had They might have 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:37.280 had swabbers, but usually when I seen Buddha got killed, 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:41.520 I was there and watched them whisper. Uh. They had 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.200 another one Bob got killed. That was one of them. 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.960 So when a murder happened in them days, it usually 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:51.760 was a personal dispute that was handling eternally as opposed 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:57.320 to somebody coming. And then now the next group come 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:00.200 because of the balloon murder that really took all the 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.960 West Side from horse Man out because the juveniles that 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:06.960 were involved got out of state, release everybody else with 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:11.520 the president, and that's when you came with. Uh, the 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:16.040 West Side where lasted from seventy one. Now the east 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:19.440 the juveniles that take over because when the murder happened, 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.360 another murder happened. And I hate to go back into 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:26.040 this because when I speak, it's gonna rope in wounds 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:30.960 for both sides, victim and suspect. So we're gonna go 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:34.160 with the name named d G. And I can say 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:36.840 this because this is a fact. No, we're gonna go 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:41.080 to Valerie Brisco Hooks and what we could get away 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:44.560 with in seventy one all the way to seventy five. 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:48.080 That way, it won't be where we're talking where somebody 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:50.680 can go and play I hate and say you tell 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:54.240 them secrets. So this public knowledge and over speech. Yeah no, 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:56.520 but they don't know what snitching is. That's when you 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:59.320 go do let's get it going. So now we're gonna 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.960 go back to Valerie brisco Hooks and by condolences to 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:06.360 you and her condolences to the young man that got 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:10.520 explained one year to the day later. Valerie brisco Hooks, 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.760 if you look at her Violet biography, she said she 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:17.520 was inspired by her brother's death where he got shot 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:23.160 during training and it was gunned fire between youths shooting 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:26.880 at at Lock High. But he also say when running 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:30.920 the brothers talked about it that he said it seemed 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:34.360 like it what's common occurrences. That's what the newspaper said. 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:38.360 Now that's probably if she fourteen, it's in seventy three, 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:42.360 seventy four. So anyway to suspect go and tell his 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:44.719 mommy he did it, and tall basically I think I 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:49.000 killed somebody. She take him to juvenile hall and she 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:51.480 tell them and they should have been went to court, 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:54.640 he said in court it a year and they say 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:57.760 we have no law to try him, and they let 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:01.160 him go. Then one year later when he got out 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:04.240 the same day got out. This our karma go. He 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:06.640 got killed. What it was waiting on him? Now. The 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.679 more thing to make it official with me is the 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.560 fact that I know the victim name and very he's 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:14.880 never been mentioned because he had juven now he only 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:18.160 couldn't know if he was there. Howard Morrison was in 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:22.040 the ninth grade and he called him them and uh, 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:24.199 he got killed. My boy got killed when he was 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:26.680 fourteen because when I walked over there the same after 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.160 he got out when I got there, which did so 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.599 I don't like talking too much about that ever, but 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:36.000 those are one of the things that could come where 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:39.920 your behavior to where they said because of the public safety, 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:45.280 we have to judge when does rehabilitation stock because by 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:48.079 the end we don't add forty of us. There was 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:54.880 nothing we can do. Carjacking site out, Uh tattoos wasn't 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:59.079 even thought about violence. Uh let me see what else 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:02.560 you can get away that extortion when we took cars 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:06.040 and I learned from Odi and everybody know Odie got killed, 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:08.400 So we'll go to Odie this time. Mster you my 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:12.720 brotherton he got killed. Oldie started block with Melvin Hardy, 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:17.400 who started block. You got ugi united underground on the 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:19.520 West Side because that's where I'm from. But I can 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:21.440 cover the rest, but I'm gonna keep it where these 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:26.880 are facts in my life. It went from the West Side. 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:34.120 When that started was Michael Kristen, Barefoot, Poopy O'Neill, brown, 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:39.760 baby face, our Tony stage is a gang of us. 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:43.560 But we formed the West Side. Then that didn't last 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:47.640 too long because that era after the seventy two that's 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.960 when the gang and the change where we could kill 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.800 or where you can pull the trigger. Because by the 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:56.079 time I was twenty one, I'm on a lot to 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:58.079 this day where if I ever be seen with a 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:01.199 gun or get caught at one, I'm up on the 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:04.280 trigger lot and that only you can get And anybody 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:07.160 knows this to my homeboy wood Rat, and you always 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.520 hear me say rest in peace. So this is a 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:14.319 lesson just could save your life, my boy, uh a 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:19.280 wood Rat. He got twenty years. Compton did twenty years 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:21.079 for right when he was getting ready to go home 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:24.920 from Falsom after the war, they come and say, hey man, 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.079 even though you beat the case, we got you because 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.960 we signed the paper together. And that's when I didn't 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.319 even know about it, but I learned from him never 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:34.760 get caught with a gun again because he did twenty 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:38.000 years where beat the case and the fist said, don't matter, 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:41.520 you've been using guns. So we always getting shut out. 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:45.360 So it was basically the wild wild West during that era. 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:49.160 But it was unity. There was no Uh. It was 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:53.800 strictly a blood versus a crypt if they was called it. 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:57.480 On our side of the town, you had five nine brims, uh, 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:02.880 the Vands boys, Donald Ray Fat Butchee uh, Gerald McMillan, 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:06.040 they need to let him out, Swede Carnie rest In 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:09.960 Tiece Uh. Then you had the Woods family Douglas Green 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:13.480 since nineteen seventy two. That's forty eight years ago, y'all 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:18.200 talking about forty eight hours, big difference. So the atmosphere, 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:20.640 we could do what we wanted to do. Then in 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:24.120 seventy they caught up to it and they started noticing 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:27.880 we can't be a relevator. Tatum rehabilitate them, and that's 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:30.280 when we went to the Supreme Court to where that 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:33.960 we're gonna have to start charging them between the ages 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:37.959 of sixteen and seventeen to where they will be tried 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.800 as an adult. So from seventy five to this day, 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:45.440 anybody that would commend criminal acts where they committed murdency, 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:48.760 they didn't say anymore. They say, because of these youths, 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:51.600 they're getting away with murder. And they said, that's why 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:55.040 you got violence offenses. And then as the fifty years 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:58.520 went on, when we were getting sighted out for taking card, 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:01.240 y'all get card, jack and jack. See how later on 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:03.600 they come back and they just changed a lot where 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:06.839 they increased the penalty. But the same thing happened. So 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:09.320 when we were doing it, we were getting traffic tickets 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:12.240 where my mama was my bill's bonsman. We didn't have 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:14.720 to worry about it because we were awards or the court, 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.000 and they were really treating juveniles, which we should go 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.959 back to to where they are being uh reabilitated and 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:25.920 given a chance. But also that depends on these behavior. 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.880 They can't go and ask for UH to get their freedom, 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:32.760 and you're acting like an animal that gainst them an excuse, 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:35.600 So why don't we fall back and we're gonna help 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:40.600 you simple as that. So that's when I remember something 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:44.520 like that because some of the O G homies was 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.360 kicking it with the little homies. The little homies will 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.560 take the crime because they wouldn't kids stand, couldn't get 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.800 they get it. Yeah. So yeah, because we had a 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:56.000 lot of homies go to jail behind that. Oh no, 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:58.400 and he's just gonna take it because he's gonna go 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:02.360 to juvenile hole and get our opposed to me being five, 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:05.719 I'm going And that's why they failed back. But I 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:07.960 don't want to I want more to say a little 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:13.600 bit about you know, how you got as as as 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:17.440 a youth, you know, and how you got started representing 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:20.080 and where he was from me from Compton and whatever. 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.920 So give us a little background on well as as 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:26.480 melfl and go. We go prior to seventy one, and 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:31.160 prior to seventy one, it was the criminal justice system 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:35.400 in dealer with youth was on rehabilitation. So you know, 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.840 I keep talking about getting arrested forty times. I was 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:43.600 born on Elm Street. I'm from Nightmail on Elm Street, Compton, California. Well, 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:47.680 I mean and at that time our sets was, uh, 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:49.880 we were all tree tops because all our streets are 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:53.760 named after trees, and your side was all the swamps 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:58.400 before that. Now that's that's crazy because tree Top is 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:02.360 now across. Tell you how they got there. So the 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:06.600 your neighborhood was all swamps from Compton Boulevard back to 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:10.600 a Landra from a Landra over where Nutty Block is now. 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.080 It was called Bootheill because it was by the graveyard. 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:17.760 Occasian Block was called spook Time and Spooptown now was 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:21.280 across the track. So now we go over to before 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.280 fruit Time was fruit Time. There was the Bliss Boys. 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:27.520 You did what I'm saying, So I grew up. The 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:31.800 first murder we had in Compton was Claren Stuffordfield kill 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:36.280 Ferguson in nineteen sixty nine. Stayed across the street from 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:40.520 each other. Now he got eighteen months in youth authority 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:44.520 because he was sixteen, because it was rehabilitation. I go 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:46.840 to juvenile I've been going to going to just since 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.560 nineteen fifty nine. And I would go to the Royal 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.480 day Old Program, thirty day program, go to why you 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:55.720 do the Marshall program? You do ninety days because white 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:59.600 America couldn't understand the psychic of black and I'm saying, 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:02.240 so they said we had that learning curve, so we 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:06.840 couldn't commit crimes and be knowledgeable form I kurched my Colt, 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:11.400 my first body at seventeen when to juvenile Hall got 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:15.560 found unfit juvenile, unfit juvenile and went to youth authority. 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:20.360 Could have did Wright went to youth Authority. I went 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:22.960 to y t S. Got involved in a ride in 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:26.360 y t S called a body. I'm the first juvenile 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:30.560 or young adult to get sent from y to San Quentin. 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:36.920 But that's another story what I'm saying come back. So 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:43.800 in Conton, when we started gangbanging, I saw most of 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:48.000 the the cripts come into Why in youth authority we're 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:51.160 talking about a bunch of Griffin crazy cript Kevin Williams 0:16:51.600 --> 0:17:01.840 uh Minnesota um um ricket Bonnovilli. You know what I'm saying. 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:08.080 It was accused of fourteen murders at fourteen. So when 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:11.040 these dudes came in, we was all Compton. It wasn't 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:14.120 no set trip in in Compton. It was just one Compton. 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:17.639 So wherever was from, it was down what separated Compton 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:19.320 in the gang band and we talked about we go 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:25.199 to seventy two, Okay, Uh Billy Flowers got killed by 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.919 Jody Crawford on Womington and Compton Boulevard at the cheving 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:33.440 station about a girl that stayed on Palmer Street. And 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:36.720 when he killed. When Jody Crawford killed Billy a little 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:40.720 Billy Flowers, Billy Flowers was from uh Parmaly and Piru, 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:44.200 so he took his body. Jody Crawford was out of 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:46.920 the wait side of the Jades when he took his 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:50.200 body down the Harrison Ross's funeral home. That j D's 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:52.880 came and was the first one to turn over casket 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:59.040 Jilly Flowers. Billy Flowers called putting and taming them, and 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:01.960 they came and said down at the funeral home for 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:05.640 three days. And every time somebody comes, Navid bust him saying, 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:08.760 who are these niggas here? We're from Piu Street. So 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:12.560 this is how Pius came. And the first division came 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:17.880 with Watts and that's where it came. And then when 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.119 Uh little Punkin and double Barrel Bob came to the 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:26.560 um Watts festival in nineteen seventy one, Craig months of 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:31.200 them said, any any uh bloods come to five nine, 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:37.960 any five nins come to the Watson. So I said, 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:41.000 anybody comes out of that, we're taken care of them. 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:44.560 So to sweep them out of the bounty hunters they 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:48.760 came and they all of them had uh raincoats on 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:51.680 with shotguns on them, and they said, who are y'all? 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:54.200 You said, we're bounty hunters. We're looking for crips. This 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:58.040 is the beginning of the bounty hunters. Then, so then 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:02.159 they started calling and Pius, which dudes from l A 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:04.560 didn't know what the Pireu was, so they started calling 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:08.200 us roosters. So that's where the Red cave and at 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.000 and so that set us up with the Red and 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:14.440 the Blue. Oh my god, you know what I'm saying. 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:17.280 So that's where he comes. So when he's talking about 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:21.119 the different fathering. Before you could go to y for 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:24.440 being incorrigible, your mamma dam couldn't have you. But it 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:28.399 wasn't a crime. In nineteen seventy one, they made it 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:31.840 a felony because Blacks was I went to I had 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:36.520 three owned clear people and didn't do all day. Now 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:39.399 for us killing each other, they started. We got I 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.560 got one of my little homeboards from Fruittown, sixteen years old. 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:44.760 He just got two hundred and fifty years to life. 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:47.119 How are you gonna do it? A percentage of that, 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:52.760 you know, So it's massive conceration both fifty after Tony, 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:55.520 don't never go beyond me in life with my name 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:58.320 where they see my record, we're gonna get it. He 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:01.080 got four hundred and fifty, so I'm gonna come help 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:03.200 him out and get in back and giving a chance. 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:05.320 So this ride, and there's a lot of things that 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:08.359 stake here, and not to cut you off more, but 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:11.159 they get the picture. And we also want to focus 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:13.080 on what we can do to help because we can 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:15.719 always come back and tell tales. We've got a lot 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:18.000 of ship, but to night it's important and that's where 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:21.480 that's where I'm at. There you go, because I'm trying 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:24.600 to reach out to the youngsters that don't understand this 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:29.280 history at this table. And like I said, at first, 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:33.520 everybody is missing form, even I was missing form, and 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:36.240 and my true leaf was to be where you was 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:39.200 from and representing one hunting you know what I'm saying, 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:42.920 and that to be to a different place, you know 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:45.480 what I'm saying. And I had help, you know what 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:49.440 I'm saying. But now that I got older, how do 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:52.760 I help fix what I broke? Right? You know what 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:55.840 I'm saying. I can't bring nothing back, But how do 0:20:55.920 --> 0:21:00.159 we help fix what I destroyed? We toward comfter, we 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:04.080 destroyed it with the drugs in the gang banging. So 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:06.720 here I am now, now I got y'all up here. 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:11.440 Y'all can tell us that this wasn't supposed to be 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:14.680 us getting down the way we're getting down and the 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:17.159 way were killing each other. Wh wasn't supposed to be. 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:20.520 But let me interject on that and what Melvin is 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:24.000 saying about the justice system and our position as o 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:26.879 g s or older people. If you look in the 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:32.640 penitential system right now with Mexicans, old Mexicans they deal 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:35.200 with their youth. They tell man, we don't deal with 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:37.200 my yatis. We don't do this, we don't do that. 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:41.720 But all blacks try to be twenty and try to 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:44.960 give misinformation. You feel what I'm saying. They don't get 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:47.000 the rial. You get some dude forty or fifty years 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:50.399 old talk about gang banging nine center the time. He 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:57.800 didn't do ship at seventeen, he just got out the house. Yeah, 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:02.200 you out only three goddamn way to get a mug 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:05.359 shot of graduation pigeon, and you can't tip a mug 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:08.639 shot for them about seven. So that's where we have 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:12.760 miscommunication and I and who we deal around you when 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:15.520 I grew, I'll tell your story. The other day, I 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:18.840 was talking to my son, my grandson, wilding out he's 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:21.880 from Fruittown, whether he got miss informed by some old 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:24.960 niggas about who I was. So we're doing some dumb ship, 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:27.000 you know what I'm saying. I did some dumb ship. 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:30.320 So my son called me because my my grandson had 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:32.400 done some dumb ship, and I talked to his mother 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:35.360 about it and my grandson and my son. I'm telling him. 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:36.880 He said, Man, Dad, I gotta go over and talk 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:38.560 to him. I said, Man, this dude is on a 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:41.920 suicide mission. Now my son is twenty years old. He 0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:43.800 tells me, Dad, what do you mean here on the 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:47.479 suicide mission? What are you talking about? What I said, Man, 0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:49.520 dude is due. Who would you rather for him to do? 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:52.560 Get cold a gunna get killed with a gun. Basically, 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:54.760 he got nothing to do with me. If you get killed, 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:56.320 I'm gonna go to the funeral, But I'm not going 0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:58.960 to the graveyard. If you go to prince, if you 0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:00.800 go to court, I'll to the court. But I'm not 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:03.159 going to prison. I ain't gotta fight a dog in 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:06.800 the fight. So but my son tell me, man, couldn't 0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:08.880 nobody tell you nothing when you was going up? You've 0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:11.159 been a hypocrite. But I had to ask him, how 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:15.359 do you know? I just met you? We've been together 0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:19.359 about twenty years. Matter fact, I don't know you. I 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:22.280 knew your mama for Turk. You came as a plus one. 0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:27.840 You mean what I'm saying? And why do you think 0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:33.080 that are? You are so missed in fucking form today 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:37.040 because we didn't inform him. We didn't another one to 0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:40.520 answer that from the era, that that that this is 0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:47.520 what happened seventy one. I'm going back, so that means 0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:50.439 seventy five. They turn in the eighteen they saw an 0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:57.320 active one. Soto not everybody still James eighty all need 0:23:57.359 --> 0:23:59.200 a bit of give me my fire. I put that 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:02.160