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Speaker 1: very special individuals in the house. And first let me
Speaker 1: introduce my co host pick J. GMC. It's a it's
Speaker 1: a lot to say about these two fellers here, and
Speaker 1: and it's about time that we had a show like
Speaker 1: this because not only me, not only eight cats that
Speaker 1: has been on the streets and unaware of the information
Speaker 1: that they're about to share with us. A lot of us,
Speaker 1: brothers need to hear this because a lot of us
Speaker 1: has been misled. Uh. I had the privilege of knowing
Speaker 1: this man right here and and seeing his get down
Speaker 1: and understanding my position in my place to be where
Speaker 1: I was at, And I just want everybody to listen
Speaker 1: and understand where these two men are coming from. It's
Speaker 1: totally different from what we heard. UM. We we're about
Speaker 1: to see. We're about to see. I think this is
Speaker 1: gonna be the one well man, you know, I know
Speaker 1: they've got a long history. Man, take year, take me
Speaker 1: take a seven seventy one. All right, Melvin Farmer and
Speaker 1: my companion and running made uh I Tolder Marvin Uh.
Speaker 1: We represent credible messengers around the globe because it's out
Speaker 1: of New York where we worked with UH Mayor Bowes
Speaker 1: UH in New York where created but we're the first
Speaker 1: representatives from Compton in Los Angeles to where we deal
Speaker 1: with redefining the community. So the Nights Show it's gonna
Speaker 1: take place in the year and it's it's I'm glad
Speaker 1: you said the year nine seventy one, because that's where
Speaker 1: we're gonna start. But if you're gonna see at the
Speaker 1: end of this show, that's where I parted. So you're
Speaker 1: gonna give us a tale of the real wood and
Speaker 1: so to speak, we're gonna take you back in history
Speaker 1: where we ain't telling your stories we've heard. We're telling
Speaker 1: your men that have done all My friends had either
Speaker 1: thirty arrests by seventeen or convicted over homicide, had been
Speaker 1: in jail over thirty times, and usually all three of
Speaker 1: them had occurred. So we're going back to our era
Speaker 1: to where uh, you're fitter here our witness testimony, because
Speaker 1: we got to give all things to God, uh by faith,
Speaker 1: because a lot of times, the only thing stronger than
Speaker 1: a man's pride, it's a mother's love. So we have
Speaker 1: to drop our pride and we're here to address something
Speaker 1: that could affect the nation where we feel the use
Speaker 1: of today there's no color lines, no cuts where we
Speaker 1: feel that's a unit that the juvenile justice system must
Speaker 1: be addressed. When we're talking about black issues and equality
Speaker 1: and justice in America. I don't believe where you can
Speaker 1: march where your feet bleed as a post to when
Speaker 1: we're in jail. We know that you can say all
Speaker 1: you want, but if you can't put someone on that paper,
Speaker 1: no changes occurred, you're not coming home. So we're going
Speaker 1: to the papers where we feel three areas side dress
Speaker 1: and with coalition of a credible methods. But I'm also
Speaker 1: with the organization side of Queen New York called Cold
Speaker 1: Black Coalition and one of the members's Pat Robinson, executive
Speaker 1: director of the colon Kapernet. Uh, you know your rights camp.
Speaker 1: I work with her on this. We have a cold
Speaker 1: host and do a project called I Think Twice. So
Speaker 1: when whatever we say, we want you to think twice.
Speaker 1: It's always two sides to a pancake. So we want
Speaker 1: to be fair. But now we're gonna take you back
Speaker 1: in the time to where we're gonna try to put
Speaker 1: some eye drop in your ear. So we need to
Speaker 1: come out of everything. She will be eclipsed so clear,
Speaker 1: because we're gonna vote by facts not artifacts. That was
Speaker 1: standing this is now. So let's get the show started. Mark, Uh,
Speaker 1: when you started off? And what's going to the criminal
Speaker 1: justice system? So as we're fit to address the juvenile
Speaker 1: fitness here and where we believe that these kids are
Speaker 1: being violated behind committing the crime at fifteen, and then
Speaker 1: because the clock don't stop that the punishment turned to
Speaker 1: adult sentence. When they couldn't vote, they couldn't go out
Speaker 1: and drink, and they couldn't get drivers license. So why
Speaker 1: wouldn't you go and take something that happened there and
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. Okay, well, well let's take you
Speaker 1: back a little bit and tell us how as young
Speaker 1: adolescents so to speak, was the was the scene back
Speaker 1: in seventy one? Now, how you gentlemen, you know we
Speaker 1: conducted ourselves where we was, from where he was from,
Speaker 1: how you got started? What was the move behind? You
Speaker 1: know the fourmator of where we established now the formation
Speaker 1: and the crystallization of the cryption bloods as they know
Speaker 1: on today in the nutshell nineteen seventy one, that's when
Speaker 1: West east Side and comment what's then there was no
Speaker 1: sense was no colors Uh took in them? Was he
Speaker 1: was in fact of Brookings because Donald Archie sweep Back
Speaker 1: introduced him. So during that time they all had I
Speaker 1: would look at their demeanors, their characters, their styles and
Speaker 1: their grace. That's what I got from Tookie because don't
Speaker 1: forget it, from fourteen their delts, that's why the year
Speaker 1: starts at So now they never had They might have
Speaker 1: had swabbers, but usually when I seen Buddha got killed,
Speaker 1: I was there and watched them whisper. Uh. They had
Speaker 1: another one Bob got killed. That was one of them.
Speaker 1: So when a murder happened in them days, it usually
Speaker 1: was a personal dispute that was handling eternally as opposed
Speaker 1: to somebody coming. And then now the next group come
Speaker 1: because of the balloon murder that really took all the
Speaker 1: West Side from horse Man out because the juveniles that
Speaker 1: were involved got out of state, release everybody else with
Speaker 1: the president, and that's when you came with. Uh, the
Speaker 1: West Side where lasted from seventy one. Now the east
Speaker 1: the juveniles that take over because when the murder happened,
Speaker 1: another murder happened. And I hate to go back into
Speaker 1: this because when I speak, it's gonna rope in wounds
Speaker 1: for both sides, victim and suspect. So we're gonna go
Speaker 1: with the name named d G. And I can say
Speaker 1: this because this is a fact. No, we're gonna go
Speaker 1: to Valerie Brisco Hooks and what we could get away
Speaker 1: with in seventy one all the way to seventy five.
Speaker 1: That way, it won't be where we're talking where somebody
Speaker 1: can go and play I hate and say you tell
Speaker 1: them secrets. So this public knowledge and over speech. Yeah no,
Speaker 1: but they don't know what snitching is. That's when you
Speaker 1: go do let's get it going. So now we're gonna
Speaker 1: go back to Valerie brisco Hooks and by condolences to
Speaker 1: you and her condolences to the young man that got
Speaker 1: explained one year to the day later. Valerie brisco Hooks,
Speaker 1: if you look at her Violet biography, she said she
Speaker 1: was inspired by her brother's death where he got shot
Speaker 1: during training and it was gunned fire between youths shooting
Speaker 1: at at Lock High. But he also say when running
Speaker 1: the brothers talked about it that he said it seemed
Speaker 1: like it what's common occurrences. That's what the newspaper said.
Speaker 1: Now that's probably if she fourteen, it's in seventy three,
Speaker 1: seventy four. So anyway to suspect go and tell his
Speaker 1: mommy he did it, and tall basically I think I
Speaker 1: killed somebody. She take him to juvenile hall and she
Speaker 1: tell them and they should have been went to court,
Speaker 1: he said in court it a year and they say
Speaker 1: we have no law to try him, and they let
Speaker 1: him go. Then one year later when he got out
Speaker 1: the same day got out. This our karma go. He
Speaker 1: got killed. What it was waiting on him? Now. The
Speaker 1: more thing to make it official with me is the
Speaker 1: fact that I know the victim name and very he's
Speaker 1: never been mentioned because he had juven now he only
Speaker 1: couldn't know if he was there. Howard Morrison was in
Speaker 1: the ninth grade and he called him them and uh,
Speaker 1: he got killed. My boy got killed when he was
Speaker 1: fourteen because when I walked over there the same after
Speaker 1: he got out when I got there, which did so
Speaker 1: I don't like talking too much about that ever, but
Speaker 1: those are one of the things that could come where
Speaker 1: your behavior to where they said because of the public safety,
Speaker 1: we have to judge when does rehabilitation stock because by
Speaker 1: the end we don't add forty of us. There was
Speaker 1: nothing we can do. Carjacking site out, Uh tattoos wasn't
Speaker 1: even thought about violence. Uh let me see what else
Speaker 1: you can get away that extortion when we took cars
Speaker 1: and I learned from Odi and everybody know Odie got killed,
Speaker 1: So we'll go to Odie this time. Mster you my
Speaker 1: brotherton he got killed. Oldie started block with Melvin Hardy,
Speaker 1: who started block. You got ugi united underground on the
Speaker 1: West Side because that's where I'm from. But I can
Speaker 1: cover the rest, but I'm gonna keep it where these
Speaker 1: are facts in my life. It went from the West Side.
Speaker 1: When that started was Michael Kristen, Barefoot, Poopy O'Neill, brown,
Speaker 1: baby face, our Tony stage is a gang of us.
Speaker 1: But we formed the West Side. Then that didn't last
Speaker 1: too long because that era after the seventy two that's
Speaker 1: when the gang and the change where we could kill
Speaker 1: or where you can pull the trigger. Because by the
Speaker 1: time I was twenty one, I'm on a lot to
Speaker 1: this day where if I ever be seen with a
Speaker 1: gun or get caught at one, I'm up on the
Speaker 1: trigger lot and that only you can get And anybody
Speaker 1: knows this to my homeboy wood Rat, and you always
Speaker 1: hear me say rest in peace. So this is a
Speaker 1: lesson just could save your life, my boy, uh a
Speaker 1: wood Rat. He got twenty years. Compton did twenty years
Speaker 1: for right when he was getting ready to go home
Speaker 1: from Falsom after the war, they come and say, hey man,
Speaker 1: even though you beat the case, we got you because
Speaker 1: we signed the paper together. And that's when I didn't
Speaker 1: even know about it, but I learned from him never
Speaker 1: get caught with a gun again because he did twenty
Speaker 1: years where beat the case and the fist said, don't matter,
Speaker 1: you've been using guns. So we always getting shut out.
Speaker 1: So it was basically the wild wild West during that era.
Speaker 1: But it was unity. There was no Uh. It was
Speaker 1: strictly a blood versus a crypt if they was called it.
Speaker 1: On our side of the town, you had five nine brims, uh,
Speaker 1: the Vands boys, Donald Ray Fat Butchee uh, Gerald McMillan,
Speaker 1: they need to let him out, Swede Carnie rest In
Speaker 1: Tiece Uh. Then you had the Woods family Douglas Green
Speaker 1: since nineteen seventy two. That's forty eight years ago, y'all
Speaker 1: talking about forty eight hours, big difference. So the atmosphere,
Speaker 1: we could do what we wanted to do. Then in
Speaker 1: seventy they caught up to it and they started noticing
Speaker 1: we can't be a relevator. Tatum rehabilitate them, and that's
Speaker 1: when we went to the Supreme Court to where that
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to start charging them between the ages
Speaker 1: of sixteen and seventeen to where they will be tried
Speaker 1: as an adult. So from seventy five to this day,
Speaker 1: anybody that would commend criminal acts where they committed murdency,
Speaker 1: they didn't say anymore. They say, because of these youths,
Speaker 1: they're getting away with murder. And they said, that's why
Speaker 1: you got violence offenses. And then as the fifty years
Speaker 1: went on, when we were getting sighted out for taking card,
Speaker 1: y'all get card, jack and jack. See how later on
Speaker 1: they come back and they just changed a lot where
Speaker 1: they increased the penalty. But the same thing happened. So
Speaker 1: when we were doing it, we were getting traffic tickets
Speaker 1: where my mama was my bill's bonsman. We didn't have
Speaker 1: to worry about it because we were awards or the court,
Speaker 1: and they were really treating juveniles, which we should go
Speaker 1: back to to where they are being uh reabilitated and
Speaker 1: given a chance. But also that depends on these behavior.
Speaker 1: They can't go and ask for UH to get their freedom,
Speaker 1: and you're acting like an animal that gainst them an excuse,
Speaker 1: So why don't we fall back and we're gonna help
Speaker 1: you simple as that. So that's when I remember something
Speaker 1: like that because some of the O G homies was
Speaker 1: kicking it with the little homies. The little homies will
Speaker 1: take the crime because they wouldn't kids stand, couldn't get
Speaker 1: they get it. Yeah. So yeah, because we had a
Speaker 1: lot of homies go to jail behind that. Oh no,
Speaker 1: and he's just gonna take it because he's gonna go
Speaker 1: to juvenile hole and get our opposed to me being five,
Speaker 1: I'm going And that's why they failed back. But I
Speaker 1: don't want to I want more to say a little
Speaker 1: bit about you know, how you got as as as
Speaker 1: a youth, you know, and how you got started representing
Speaker 1: and where he was from me from Compton and whatever.
Speaker 1: So give us a little background on well as as
Speaker 1: melfl and go. We go prior to seventy one, and
Speaker 1: prior to seventy one, it was the criminal justice system
Speaker 1: in dealer with youth was on rehabilitation. So you know,
Speaker 1: I keep talking about getting arrested forty times. I was
Speaker 1: born on Elm Street. I'm from Nightmail on Elm Street, Compton, California. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean and at that time our sets was, uh,
Speaker 1: we were all tree tops because all our streets are
Speaker 1: named after trees, and your side was all the swamps
Speaker 1: before that. Now that's that's crazy because tree Top is
Speaker 1: now across. Tell you how they got there. So the
Speaker 1: your neighborhood was all swamps from Compton Boulevard back to
Speaker 1: a Landra from a Landra over where Nutty Block is now.
Speaker 1: It was called Bootheill because it was by the graveyard.
Speaker 1: Occasian Block was called spook Time and Spooptown now was
Speaker 1: across the track. So now we go over to before
Speaker 1: fruit Time was fruit Time. There was the Bliss Boys.
Speaker 1: You did what I'm saying, So I grew up. The
Speaker 1: first murder we had in Compton was Claren Stuffordfield kill
Speaker 1: Ferguson in nineteen sixty nine. Stayed across the street from
Speaker 1: each other. Now he got eighteen months in youth authority
Speaker 1: because he was sixteen, because it was rehabilitation. I go
Speaker 1: to juvenile I've been going to going to just since
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty nine. And I would go to the Royal
Speaker 1: day Old Program, thirty day program, go to why you
Speaker 1: do the Marshall program? You do ninety days because white
Speaker 1: America couldn't understand the psychic of black and I'm saying,
Speaker 1: so they said we had that learning curve, so we
Speaker 1: couldn't commit crimes and be knowledgeable form I kurched my Colt,
Speaker 1: my first body at seventeen when to juvenile Hall got
Speaker 1: found unfit juvenile, unfit juvenile and went to youth authority.
Speaker 1: Could have did Wright went to youth Authority. I went
Speaker 1: to y t S. Got involved in a ride in
Speaker 1: y t S called a body. I'm the first juvenile
Speaker 1: or young adult to get sent from y to San Quentin.
Speaker 1: But that's another story what I'm saying come back. So
Speaker 1: in Conton, when we started gangbanging, I saw most of
Speaker 1: the the cripts come into Why in youth authority we're
Speaker 1: talking about a bunch of Griffin crazy cript Kevin Williams
Speaker 1: uh Minnesota um um ricket Bonnovilli. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It was accused of fourteen murders at fourteen. So when
Speaker 1: these dudes came in, we was all Compton. It wasn't
Speaker 1: no set trip in in Compton. It was just one Compton.
Speaker 1: So wherever was from, it was down what separated Compton
Speaker 1: in the gang band and we talked about we go
Speaker 1: to seventy two, Okay, Uh Billy Flowers got killed by
Speaker 1: Jody Crawford on Womington and Compton Boulevard at the cheving
Speaker 1: station about a girl that stayed on Palmer Street. And
Speaker 1: when he killed. When Jody Crawford killed Billy a little
Speaker 1: Billy Flowers, Billy Flowers was from uh Parmaly and Piru,
Speaker 1: so he took his body. Jody Crawford was out of
Speaker 1: the wait side of the Jades when he took his
Speaker 1: body down the Harrison Ross's funeral home. That j D's
Speaker 1: came and was the first one to turn over casket
Speaker 1: Jilly Flowers. Billy Flowers called putting and taming them, and
Speaker 1: they came and said down at the funeral home for
Speaker 1: three days. And every time somebody comes, Navid bust him saying,
Speaker 1: who are these niggas here? We're from Piu Street. So
Speaker 1: this is how Pius came. And the first division came
Speaker 1: with Watts and that's where it came. And then when
Speaker 1: Uh little Punkin and double Barrel Bob came to the
Speaker 1: um Watts festival in nineteen seventy one, Craig months of
Speaker 1: them said, any any uh bloods come to five nine,
Speaker 1: any five nins come to the Watson. So I said,
Speaker 1: anybody comes out of that, we're taken care of them.
Speaker 1: So to sweep them out of the bounty hunters they
Speaker 1: came and they all of them had uh raincoats on
Speaker 1: with shotguns on them, and they said, who are y'all?
Speaker 1: You said, we're bounty hunters. We're looking for crips. This
Speaker 1: is the beginning of the bounty hunters. Then, so then
Speaker 1: they started calling and Pius, which dudes from l A
Speaker 1: didn't know what the Pireu was, so they started calling
Speaker 1: us roosters. So that's where the Red cave and at
Speaker 1: and so that set us up with the Red and
Speaker 1: the Blue. Oh my god, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So that's where he comes. So when he's talking about
Speaker 1: the different fathering. Before you could go to y for
Speaker 1: being incorrigible, your mamma dam couldn't have you. But it
Speaker 1: wasn't a crime. In nineteen seventy one, they made it
Speaker 1: a felony because Blacks was I went to I had
Speaker 1: three owned clear people and didn't do all day. Now
Speaker 1: for us killing each other, they started. We got I
Speaker 1: got one of my little homeboards from Fruittown, sixteen years old.
Speaker 1: He just got two hundred and fifty years to life.
Speaker 1: How are you gonna do it? A percentage of that,
Speaker 1: you know, So it's massive conceration both fifty after Tony,
Speaker 1: don't never go beyond me in life with my name
Speaker 1: where they see my record, we're gonna get it. He
Speaker 1: got four hundred and fifty, so I'm gonna come help
Speaker 1: him out and get in back and giving a chance.
Speaker 1: So this ride, and there's a lot of things that
Speaker 1: stake here, and not to cut you off more, but
Speaker 1: they get the picture. And we also want to focus
Speaker 1: on what we can do to help because we can
Speaker 1: always come back and tell tales. We've got a lot
Speaker 1: of ship, but to night it's important and that's where
Speaker 1: that's where I'm at. There you go, because I'm trying
Speaker 1: to reach out to the youngsters that don't understand this
Speaker 1: history at this table. And like I said, at first,
Speaker 1: everybody is missing form, even I was missing form, and
Speaker 1: and my true leaf was to be where you was
Speaker 1: from and representing one hunting you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and that to be to a different place, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And I had help, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But now that I got older, how do
Speaker 1: I help fix what I broke? Right? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I can't bring nothing back, But how do
Speaker 1: we help fix what I destroyed? We toward comfter, we
Speaker 1: destroyed it with the drugs in the gang banging. So
Speaker 1: here I am now, now I got y'all up here.
Speaker 1: Y'all can tell us that this wasn't supposed to be
Speaker 1: us getting down the way we're getting down and the
Speaker 1: way were killing each other. Wh wasn't supposed to be.
Speaker 1: But let me interject on that and what Melvin is
Speaker 1: saying about the justice system and our position as o
Speaker 1: g s or older people. If you look in the
Speaker 1: penitential system right now with Mexicans, old Mexicans they deal
Speaker 1: with their youth. They tell man, we don't deal with
Speaker 1: my yatis. We don't do this, we don't do that.
Speaker 1: But all blacks try to be twenty and try to
Speaker 1: give misinformation. You feel what I'm saying. They don't get
Speaker 1: the rial. You get some dude forty or fifty years
Speaker 1: old talk about gang banging nine center the time. He
Speaker 1: didn't do ship at seventeen, he just got out the house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you out only three goddamn way to get a mug
Speaker 1: shot of graduation pigeon, and you can't tip a mug
Speaker 1: shot for them about seven. So that's where we have
Speaker 1: miscommunication and I and who we deal around you when
Speaker 1: I grew, I'll tell your story. The other day, I
Speaker 1: was talking to my son, my grandson, wilding out he's
Speaker 1: from Fruittown, whether he got miss informed by some old
Speaker 1: niggas about who I was. So we're doing some dumb ship,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I did some dumb ship.
Speaker 1: So my son called me because my my grandson had
Speaker 1: done some dumb ship, and I talked to his mother
Speaker 1: about it and my grandson and my son. I'm telling him.
Speaker 1: He said, Man, Dad, I gotta go over and talk
Speaker 1: to him. I said, Man, this dude is on a
Speaker 1: suicide mission. Now my son is twenty years old. He
Speaker 1: tells me, Dad, what do you mean here on the
Speaker 1: suicide mission? What are you talking about? What I said, Man,
Speaker 1: dude is due. Who would you rather for him to do?
Speaker 1: Get cold a gunna get killed with a gun. Basically,
Speaker 1: he got nothing to do with me. If you get killed,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to the funeral, But I'm not going
Speaker 1: to the graveyard. If you go to prince, if you
Speaker 1: go to court, I'll to the court. But I'm not
Speaker 1: going to prison. I ain't gotta fight a dog in
Speaker 1: the fight. So but my son tell me, man, couldn't
Speaker 1: nobody tell you nothing when you was going up? You've
Speaker 1: been a hypocrite. But I had to ask him, how
Speaker 1: do you know? I just met you? We've been together
Speaker 1: about twenty years. Matter fact, I don't know you. I
Speaker 1: knew your mama for Turk. You came as a plus one.
Speaker 1: You mean what I'm saying? And why do you think
Speaker 1: that are? You are so missed in fucking form today
Speaker 1: because we didn't inform him. We didn't another one to
Speaker 1: answer that from the era, that that that this is
Speaker 1: what happened seventy one. I'm going back, so that means
Speaker 1: seventy five. They turn in the eighteen they saw an
Speaker 1: active one. Soto not everybody still James eighty all need
Speaker 1: a bit of give me my fire. I put that
Speaker 1: on the ship. I need to go get me some water.
Speaker 1: Mirror my motherfucking feet fucking with me. Gangster chronicles of
Speaker 1: my ass. Pay granny her money. This gangster granny, y'all
Speaker 1: know me? Where you at? Where you at? This is
Speaker 1: o G. Gangster Granny and the gainst the Chronicles podcast
Speaker 1: is back in effect. Get ready for some of that
Speaker 1: G ship and blaze up. Some wanna merrow if nobody's
Speaker 1: not active from seventy one, but really the killing didn't
Speaker 1: start till seventy two. From seventy to to seve from
Speaker 1: s seventy two, we were delinquents. Where we are stealing,
Speaker 1: be off the truck, getting neck stealing missed if it's
Speaker 1: still in right, but we we we we delinquents. We're
Speaker 1: doing stuff like the Bad News Bear. But in seventy
Speaker 1: two when the balloon murder happened, that not the West
Speaker 1: Side for Looke, because then was took each O G.
Speaker 1: Home Boys, Uh, Bobby Career, Rest in peace, that's big,
Speaker 1: that's all sins, RECALLDO sims. But rest in chiefs don't
Speaker 1: say justin Bates Scott don't. That's the one who never
Speaker 1: wanted his name mentioned because his wife don't even know.
Speaker 1: He got the cage and he'd been out since nineteen
Speaker 1: what's seventy nine? They did us up from the seven up.
Speaker 1: They got out seventy nine, so when they left, took
Speaker 1: in them with necks. But on the West Side. They've
Speaker 1: always said games. Let's remember that they had avenues, they
Speaker 1: had businessman. So never think that the Cripts come from
Speaker 1: those factions or had their ideologies. Because most of those
Speaker 1: dudes when we got the prison later on with b GFS, oh,
Speaker 1: all of them. And then when the Bloods came to
Speaker 1: prison when we turned twenty and months, since they were
Speaker 1: fighting cripts only they turned in got in. That's why
Speaker 1: that's where you get. You be in with Peabody, Jim
Speaker 1: Brewer and they go to New York. I'm right there
Speaker 1: on the tier. Please don't work with me this year.
Speaker 1: So anyway, come and this is where another partner of
Speaker 1: the Red Sea happened. That's for us gang activity. When
Speaker 1: you really about it, see we need now you can
Speaker 1: have nine sugar Beard one to three fold sugar Bear big.
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody in uh m l A nuts because it
Speaker 1: ain't nobody following us. We only got us Crypts, Bloods
Speaker 1: and the Mexican Mafields, which was the Sutherland Ramios. Now
Speaker 1: those were the kids that were sowing day ots. But
Speaker 1: in seventy five, what happens if you count the numbers,
Speaker 1: they turned eighteen and can go to the prison. So
Speaker 1: seventy five, that's when you get the rhythm. I'm for
Speaker 1: the name of off you. It's there, Raymond Washington, and
Speaker 1: they don't about Sydney Heffner dead. I you had bobbing them.
Speaker 1: They actually were the first crops there where they were
Speaker 1: threatening in where they were almost for the killing, for
Speaker 1: coming in for killing the black and we're talking about
Speaker 1: the black panther Jonathan Jackson, George Jackston. These men were
Speaker 1: actually there as the solid Dad brothers. They witnessed that.
Speaker 1: So after I followed, we followed them. And that's where party.
Speaker 1: That means all the ones that were setting the tradition
Speaker 1: on the West Side to Hoover, the hundreds, the sixties
Speaker 1: dogs paid back watergates, UH one elevens, so everybody just
Speaker 1: start forming. No that left for boy to wear the
Speaker 1: leadership one cuts. Don't forget all my friends did thirty years.
Speaker 1: If they just started in seventy one, that mean they
Speaker 1: got twenty six years where they're gone. That's when the
Speaker 1: new ones come in and the sets bro. Now you've
Speaker 1: got people trying to tell other ones what to do,
Speaker 1: and that's when the separation grew. Everybody wants to be
Speaker 1: pink ship turretiving because that's what you're awn and that's
Speaker 1: when the division here in jail. Now look at it,
Speaker 1: the originals and our protocol has disappeared because now I
Speaker 1: go from that to where when crips got killed, it
Speaker 1: was internal where it was really personal. There wasn't no
Speaker 1: thing about this gang is this business? Let me interject
Speaker 1: this who you're talking about? Eighty eight one started the
Speaker 1: error when gang violence was at the peak. The government
Speaker 1: started with Operation wedn Seed. When you talk about the
Speaker 1: O G is going to prison for thirty years, they
Speaker 1: had s s U squad in any one to eighty three.
Speaker 1: Every O G to get out of prison and we
Speaker 1: get called and they felt when they wouldn't arrest them,
Speaker 1: they was killing them and they had killed him and
Speaker 1: they had to disband and nothing new said that were
Speaker 1: the ones that would do jacket, but they were killing them.
Speaker 1: They had to go and a lot of men was
Speaker 1: from our community where they had to disband it where
Speaker 1: they were trailing them, killing them and letting them do
Speaker 1: the robbery and could have been stopped them. They would
Speaker 1: kill them like Bob kind of like Bob motor mouths
Speaker 1: in their stag got killed we can name a lot
Speaker 1: of them. So that's also that's Operation We didn't Seed.
Speaker 1: So when you talk about people and start infiltrating before
Speaker 1: Operation we Didn't see it was corn Tell program. Corn
Speaker 1: Tell got rid of the Black Panthers, the the midline
Speaker 1: of Roan Karin getting us and Black dissing the organizations.
Speaker 1: So they changed corn Tell Probe to Operation Weed and Seed.
Speaker 1: So now they moved in new niggas to tell you
Speaker 1: something that were informants. You know what I'm saying, So
Speaker 1: hold on. So they just started the whole infiltration thing.
Speaker 1: That's just came in with them with the US organizations.
Speaker 1: But this is what go ahead, show qu quick. But
Speaker 1: this is where we go in this Smith, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you we're coming with facts. Most people say this's a
Speaker 1: spinoff and that the crypts were infiltrated by them, but
Speaker 1: they didn't even know about us. In seventy one. We
Speaker 1: were dormant, so people would inferred that the Black Panthers
Speaker 1: the police came, They didn't. We were juvenile while they
Speaker 1: were passing out lunch. Since we're taking everything we can get,
Speaker 1: so imagine that that's why you have to separate this.
Speaker 1: They were plo brack and correct, we anti black. So
Speaker 1: imagine when we go to jail and they fighting several
Speaker 1: rights and we're coming in there with a blue rag
Speaker 1: talking about were killing blacks. You know what they said,
Speaker 1: tuck it? Can you just saying something that was deep
Speaker 1: anti black? We didn't we we were anti anybody because
Speaker 1: anybody could get it. But we're gonna address something where
Speaker 1: when they talk about black on black crime, if we're
Speaker 1: the closest, you only killed they got. Every race has
Speaker 1: tried to kill me and this man because of the
Speaker 1: club skin, including you, But we only kill ourselves because
Speaker 1: of the areas that are near to us at the closest.
Speaker 1: When the man reject this also, we need once once
Speaker 1: it wasn't that we started being anti black, not because no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about even when you don't care who it was.
Speaker 1: Even even with the balluton murder, everybody got the ballute
Speaker 1: murder came from a stomp and from a fight. They
Speaker 1: didn't shoot them, you didn't. It came from fighting. And
Speaker 1: so when they comes when it came from fighting, that's
Speaker 1: when when when when the truck things started, but White
Speaker 1: America did it, started glorifying it, and when they start
Speaker 1: glorifying to put it onto me, it's easier for me
Speaker 1: to kill. You didn't go kill somebody in Hollywood. You
Speaker 1: do what I'm saying. The same thing happened, and when
Speaker 1: it starts. You look in the nineties and the two thousand's,
Speaker 1: they start glorifying carjacking and every guy high speech chase.
Speaker 1: But before it was on the news, you never heard
Speaker 1: about it, but everybody wanted that fifteen minutes of fan
Speaker 1: so gang members we started the same ship. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: if I kill somebody, gonna be all right, witness news
Speaker 1: and throwing up my set exactly. It's to me, that's
Speaker 1: operation we'd and see you think what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: it's not that you hate me when White America teach
Speaker 1: you to hate me. When you knew better, you do better.
Speaker 1: I mean because that ship happens today. I mean you
Speaker 1: see the media glorifying some ship like yeah, so we
Speaker 1: this is what we do as credible messengers do we
Speaker 1: blame the way people. I don't even look at it
Speaker 1: there now. I meant right here where we're the closest
Speaker 1: to him, I'm worried about whoever got it backpack on
Speaker 1: him and wearing a hoodie over that goddamn he at
Speaker 1: a hundred and ten degrees on a goddamn summer day
Speaker 1: to make that go away. You're out there. Rather, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna watch that nigger because I childn't have to be
Speaker 1: able to where I got to be worried about sitting
Speaker 1: next to my brother. But right now you can't do that,
Speaker 1: especially with a mask. Every niggad on one tune ball
Speaker 1: felling off that stimulus check. But they don't want to
Speaker 1: got a card with card MACGONI got their pistol in
Speaker 1: the glove compartment. It's a new tendance on the grid,
Speaker 1: so they go get your money. Let me say that
Speaker 1: you was just back to James about should we hold
Speaker 1: white people accountable? Should be hold right from everything? Now,
Speaker 1: If me and you grew up and I feed you
Speaker 1: skippy dog food until you was twenty one years old
Speaker 1: and to you with steak, and then you go to
Speaker 1: a restaurant and buy a state, shouldn't you hold me
Speaker 1: accountable for not for feeding your dog food for twenty years?
Speaker 1: So I can't be responsible for something I don't know.
Speaker 1: Listening to you all, it's like we created a system
Speaker 1: within ourselves to program Okay, We programmed ourselves to to
Speaker 1: be efficient, to be that dude, to be that neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Because when the hoods started, when the bloods and the
Speaker 1: and the e Cryption was doing it, everybody had to shine.
Speaker 1: Every side had to shine. But it wasn't well it
Speaker 1: wouldn't know. Nobody ever talked about what they did. No
Speaker 1: I even know what I'm saying. Everybody knew about everybody.
Speaker 1: You got to remember it only what's about thirty five
Speaker 1: West Side. We didn't have nobody, no, not in the
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one. It ain't when you got it. But
Speaker 1: still you gotta look at this. I don't care how
Speaker 1: you shine if you're not. Now about when I ain't
Speaker 1: got no money and I'm hustling and I gotta steal.
Speaker 1: It's easy for me to break in your house. But
Speaker 1: I never went to Beverly Hills. Why sch it I
Speaker 1: steal an old TV when I can go and serious
Speaker 1: and get a new one. And ain't nobody told me
Speaker 1: that right here? So we would get it right to
Speaker 1: where people think one over talking to other this that
Speaker 1: are then it's not to them because they're not even tripping.
Speaker 1: What happens is this you're hearing something from one bloody
Speaker 1: that's saying something that eighteen were registered to him. We're
Speaker 1: only fourteen and thirteen. We can't process that. So when
Speaker 1: I'm telling you what that experience and the error was,
Speaker 1: we weren't thinking about none of that. So when I
Speaker 1: say that, it's not a conflict, because a lot of
Speaker 1: times people see what one say it's not right or
Speaker 1: oh that's don't know, it makes perfect sense when you
Speaker 1: dearly look at the other side. So if he's speaking
Speaker 1: from an eighteen, he's an adult. I'm only thirteen coming
Speaker 1: as an adolescent. So they called it the age of
Speaker 1: what innocence. So we don't see nothing where we look
Speaker 1: from bad to evil. We only thirteen. So when he's
Speaker 1: saying in his perspective, that is correct. But the games
Speaker 1: in l A on the West Side, nobody ever heard
Speaker 1: said nothing about nothing about not level rights. We were
Speaker 1: being able to do what we want. What we were
Speaker 1: thribbing ice cream trucks or armored trucks at fourteen, with
Speaker 1: freedom and impunity to do what y'all talk about the
Speaker 1: police get away with We had era from seventy one
Speaker 1: to seventy five that no matter what we do, we
Speaker 1: only could get sentenced to a team and be kept
Speaker 1: tell you with a juvenile and do you think that
Speaker 1: that mentality made the youth, you know, more hyper or
Speaker 1: because there wasn't to step on? You know, what were
Speaker 1: you gonna worry about? When whatever now even go ahead?
Speaker 1: And what I'm trying. And then because of the area,
Speaker 1: do you think that the lawmakers and whatever did they
Speaker 1: figured that because it was the west side or this
Speaker 1: is how they figured out. They covered and made it
Speaker 1: for the nation. But it started in l A to
Speaker 1: where they knew Compton what east side west side? That
Speaker 1: means you go down, don't forget you and have all
Speaker 1: these freeways that one tid divided everything in correct, what
Speaker 1: you're talking about for us when I went to prison,
Speaker 1: all my homies was in prison, so I didn't miss
Speaker 1: nothing in complete when he did when he went to prison.
Speaker 1: When when they got the wine and ship it was
Speaker 1: a thousand crips and then that wasn't Chris wanted to
Speaker 1: be crips. You did what I'm saying, so we didn't
Speaker 1: miss nothing. I remember when I grew up like Ozzie
Speaker 1: and Harriet, I had been in my own house. My
Speaker 1: father was in the Navy. My mother was a college graduate.
Speaker 1: I was just a bad nigger. He understands me. So
Speaker 1: I used to go to Juvenile Holland I wanted to man,
Speaker 1: why y'all lowways? I'm always there, But why y'all there?
Speaker 1: Some dudes told me out the projects. Man, it's the
Speaker 1: only place I had ever been where I had my
Speaker 1: own bed. My my brother sus a pee in the
Speaker 1: bid and it's one room, and my mom is a
Speaker 1: wine or my daddy's in jail. So their sanctuary was
Speaker 1: Juvenile Hall. You did what I'm saying, being in juvenile
Speaker 1: Heart was better than being in the projects. And that's
Speaker 1: a shame. Can I go back to something? I want
Speaker 1: to go back to? Cointell Pro were impact on that,
Speaker 1: I know, but for the audience, what impact did that
Speaker 1: have on the community? Co and Tell pro on on
Speaker 1: what happened on the community. It was a disenfranchisement of
Speaker 1: neighborhood beliefs. So what they did they did what right? Now?
Speaker 1: People talk about the breakfast breakfast program and they put
Speaker 1: it into the schools, but nobody identifies that the Black
Speaker 1: Panthers started that free breakfast program. So co and Tell
Speaker 1: Pro with Angela Davis and Jane Finder single handedly told
Speaker 1: up the Black Panther Party. You feel what I'm saying
Speaker 1: because under the popular beliefs Angela Davis, who was never
Speaker 1: a Black panther, she was in the Communist Party, you
Speaker 1: think what I'm saying, So she didn't even have the
Speaker 1: concept for what the black anths did you feel? So
Speaker 1: they used co and tell pro to break this off
Speaker 1: and bring so by nineteen seventy they went from Black
Speaker 1: Power to issue your thing, do what you wanna do.
Speaker 1: So we left unity in the community to having money
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six to boss in ten you a year,
Speaker 1: everybody was having catalogs of money and everybody was had
Speaker 1: the Black power struggling economically. By nineteen eighty they had
Speaker 1: strict Compton of all economics and we became crickheads. And
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, you talking about nine eighty
Speaker 1: one year to crack first into the community, they were
Speaker 1: free base and eat the basin. Because at that time
Speaker 1: my buddy name was Michael Gildaine, origin Vanair's boy. He
Speaker 1: married a woman had a girlfriend that was two d
Speaker 1: rees uh daughter Rhonda Reese High Rhonda rest in peace,
Speaker 1: two d But this other status of key borns because
Speaker 1: at that time the keys was fifty five or key.
Speaker 1: And also let's remember this and this I go to
Speaker 1: show you how they make it laws once black start
Speaker 1: having money. When they made PCP, weren't nothing wrong with
Speaker 1: it till the start affecting the whites. Now we're gonna
Speaker 1: go to the cocaine and what happened with that before
Speaker 1: seventy seven? That means seventy five seventy six, Yeah, what
Speaker 1: they call the disco. Ever, wasn't it fashionable to snort?
Speaker 1: Yeah's talking about you then? Was fashionable with something? It was?
Speaker 1: It was the rich man. So it wasn't no law exactly.
Speaker 1: They didn't have no asset for No, you didn't even
Speaker 1: go to jail. It was fashionable. Yeah, Studio twenty one
Speaker 1: disco and they made all those movies where they snorty
Speaker 1: cocaine as a recreational drug. And Bill Cosbeek should be
Speaker 1: out because that's what it was all about. And now
Speaker 1: they had come twenty thirty years later. Three Bill Crosby
Speaker 1: while he added, you don't do a black man, and
Speaker 1: like that, we got our own law for him, Ronio.
Speaker 1: And also while we talked about it, and uh, what's
Speaker 1: my brother in Chicago, Jeff Fort, Larry Huber. They don't
Speaker 1: need to be locked up at like an animal. When
Speaker 1: they voice this can be heard. They help some of
Speaker 1: these pockets of poverty or rat infested communities that Obama
Speaker 1: say eloquently and Trump say right off the sleeve. But
Speaker 1: they're still talking about Compton Watt all across black inner
Speaker 1: cities that are being fleeched by America but winning off
Speaker 1: the blood of our backs and our families. So let's
Speaker 1: get back to the attack. And we need to start
Speaker 1: here where we need to start organizing. And I want
Speaker 1: to say, you really need to appreciate this brother, this brother,
Speaker 1: that cameraman, that girls sitting into your audience. I'm proud
Speaker 1: to be here where I made it here and this
Speaker 1: is all it's about. This is where you need to
Speaker 1: really come. And it ain't about no uh politics. We're
Speaker 1: trying to get back in health these you. It's about
Speaker 1: education because listening is learning and history is knowledge. And
Speaker 1: you see when Barbn talking to come to Attenchen, I'm
Speaker 1: listening to my older and we've gett back to where
Speaker 1: we used the internet and other things. When all I
Speaker 1: is the drum bread or Africa, when the olders tell
Speaker 1: the story. And then that's why I listen. I don't distract.
Speaker 1: I listen. And then I learned, and then I figured
Speaker 1: out everybody think we are getting, but really he's a team.
Speaker 1: We're our mindset. We're not even processing. We hadn't add
Speaker 1: sex with our sucks off yet Ship to be talking
Speaker 1: about being a black panther. Never. You're never too old
Speaker 1: to learn to learn, especially me. I'm just sitting here
Speaker 1: and all because of what I'm hearing about. You know,
Speaker 1: the foundation of how you know, the situations got started
Speaker 1: with with us as game banging, and I came later on.
Speaker 1: You know, I was born in seventy one, so I
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't start getting in the gang banging until
Speaker 1: like the mid late eighties and ship like that, so
Speaker 1: I could understand that next situation right there. But just
Speaker 1: to educate a lot of dudes, because it's tremendous to
Speaker 1: see what has happened over over the course of fifties
Speaker 1: sixty at that then with Marvin in their era for
Speaker 1: the d and from the business man, the perspective of jail,
Speaker 1: the criminal justice says them to three, it's called evolution.
Speaker 1: And for me to be from Compton the here that
Speaker 1: you know that it was all about, you know, just
Speaker 1: the situations of everybody didn't beef and everybody was doing
Speaker 1: their own thing, and it took a situation that went
Speaker 1: sour and then everybody started forming their own gangs or whatever.
Speaker 1: And the mentality of what gang banging is today is
Speaker 1: far from what you know, the situation of why brothers
Speaker 1: started gang banging the first place, like it was, like
Speaker 1: you said it was, we was just robbing. And now
Speaker 1: in turn of dudes, you know, a k and people
Speaker 1: up and drawing byes and and just I mean, the
Speaker 1: life thing got so mixed up now that we don't
Speaker 1: even fight against crips, or crips don't fight against pirous.
Speaker 1: We're killing each other. We got the five hundred block
Speaker 1: against the one hundred block. Exactly when a little Brook
Speaker 1: told me one time, he said, he told already little
Speaker 1: a little rock boy told me one day it's folksine
Speaker 1: or nothing. I say folk line. It's not called four
Speaker 1: lines Peru street hunt was never those hell of the guys,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But no more, it's falling
Speaker 1: that is not You can't get bigger than the pay,
Speaker 1: you understand, me games, why you think, why do you
Speaker 1: think set started with with fucking like sections and let
Speaker 1: me say, let me say this, and no James gonna say.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what. Boba Lewys and Baba Lewis
Speaker 1: wanted the elegant because he really started the east Side.
Speaker 1: They had never seen putting the floor in their life,
Speaker 1: and they thought Baba Lewis was putting. So when you
Speaker 1: start seeing sets where you if you don't, if you're
Speaker 1: on m LA, it was just identifying where you was at.
Speaker 1: We're all in the mob. It wasn't a set. It's
Speaker 1: all power. It wasn't even it was it was if
Speaker 1: you was in Back in the days, Loutis Park was
Speaker 1: the headquarters rock. I don't give it if he was
Speaker 1: a Ham Street, if he was Lionhood or whoever. When
Speaker 1: I went to prison, I claimed Loutis Parks. It was
Speaker 1: Loutis Park Park route period. So everything was based on
Speaker 1: Lotus Park. So when when one fight took you away
Speaker 1: from that line would get into it with somebody from Leutis.
Speaker 1: Wein't working with him no more. The mob got into
Speaker 1: it with Lotus when working with no more. So everybody
Speaker 1: start breaking off and the sections of their neighborhood when
Speaker 1: they started selling the dope. That's when you claim and
Speaker 1: this piece of your territory, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So like with with looters and and and the mob,
Speaker 1: if you cross Bradfield, now we got a difference. So okay,
Speaker 1: y'all stayed the funk over there. We stayed to funk
Speaker 1: over here. But it never got to a point where
Speaker 1: we had to kill each other because my fucker's was
Speaker 1: meeting up and fighting. I remember, China Dog, you just
Speaker 1: have mo fuckers come up in the in the headquarters,
Speaker 1: which your niggers from over there. They know what the
Speaker 1: headquarters was in the park up under the the the
Speaker 1: what you call it, let up under there, and motherfucker's
Speaker 1: was getting their fight on pool or a little liquor
Speaker 1: and roll something up. Still Chronicles, we'll be right back. Hey,
Speaker 1: James still eight. I need yo to tell me what's
Speaker 1: the word on the streets? He is? What the hell
Speaker 1: is going on? Ship? You know, Marcus did right the
Speaker 1: park here, he right there, so he was always there
Speaker 1: when he was home. But you know, it just it
Speaker 1: just got to a point where, you know, everybody just
Speaker 1: started claiming the own ship, which was cool. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about just for this because that's competing now the West Side,
Speaker 1: it's a whole different story on our the set start.
Speaker 1: So once again that's where you don't get it unfiltered
Speaker 1: and think that's how I went. For everybody on the
Speaker 1: West Side. I'm gonna tell you how we started. Took,
Speaker 1: he left. Everybody would assume when that murder happened, took.
Speaker 1: It's incompetent. From seventy two on he was running Bob
Speaker 1: Simmons boys home. They had one on punder Roads and
Speaker 1: Prime had another one called the Red House and putting
Speaker 1: them shot him over there. The other one I only
Speaker 1: know because they shot his car up and they had
Speaker 1: us me, Rusty and Qes go change the while he
Speaker 1: bought the shotgun, the same one they got into death penalty.
Speaker 1: That's how I got it, and that's what that was
Speaker 1: down the line. But in our era, the West Side
Speaker 1: Cripts started from seventy one. That's Bob and all of him.
Speaker 1: That's when they ran into Rain and Hm at the
Speaker 1: Ballston Cross Record hug up at Sportsman Park, which is Jesse,
Speaker 1: the only two places Cripts ever met in l A.
Speaker 1: When it came to east Side and west Side, and
Speaker 1: now all we're talking about is the other side of
Speaker 1: the one tent freeway. Anything over there is east side.
Speaker 1: There are no sets. Everything over here on west side.
Speaker 1: Then you got Compton, so over here. Uh took within Compton.
Speaker 1: He was irrelevant here because he's in Compton dealing with them,
Speaker 1: Little James Compton. Uh the booth heill was open, the
Speaker 1: Grand East one light in one light out. I can
Speaker 1: tell you a story about Budacious Border. I can tell
Speaker 1: your story about Budacious and little Vic who I didn't know.
Speaker 1: Its name of Vincent, and he had clarified the story
Speaker 1: where we was at the Uh, that's when we used
Speaker 1: to all go to the wash festival, right before they
Speaker 1: shut down everything. But back to that, once the west
Speaker 1: Side crips had stopped, which was really on our side
Speaker 1: of the town. They only had clicks, not games. That
Speaker 1: as opposed to because don't forget, we're integrating into where
Speaker 1: they have homes and white folks. Still we got a
Speaker 1: minute you golf, we got a giant slide, we have
Speaker 1: a go cart, you got skating reas none of that
Speaker 1: was available, or if it was, it was being gentrification.
Speaker 1: See how they go now that I process it and
Speaker 1: can remember now know what to say, and I didn't
Speaker 1: realize it. So a lot of things that we have
Speaker 1: going on don't take somebody as uh they should have known.
Speaker 1: Now as you get older, that's the number one deterring
Speaker 1: to crime. You start the game slow down, um, and
Speaker 1: you started seeing I had to be in a zip
Speaker 1: damn fool to go and do this goddamn ship. So
Speaker 1: now the first set on the West Side was started
Speaker 1: by month United Underground not Underground United Nix's Melvin Hardy
Speaker 1: started Block, O'Neill Brown, O'Neill Brown started one eleven, Terry
Speaker 1: Block started Watergate there for TWOPI started paidback now Godfathers
Speaker 1: because they ended up signing up when we was at
Speaker 1: Dorsey where they were hard on god Fathers and that's
Speaker 1: what was going on over there. So now Hoover comes
Speaker 1: out and they're mostly from uh Fremont, bred Heart and
Speaker 1: Bethune where you got a meeting of Junior Hide. Now
Speaker 1: they all at the school and now it's getting personal
Speaker 1: because some area has to be king of that school.
Speaker 1: So when we went to Washington from our the eighties,
Speaker 1: soul train was coming out and all every three things,
Speaker 1: what's happening, soul train, game banging and pop locking. They
Speaker 1: all still talked about today. So we didn't set trip.
Speaker 1: We set in trends here to night. So then when
Speaker 1: they start, I get caught with a gun and no
Speaker 1: more than by the time I come back. It looks
Speaker 1: like they have a structure the way they got guys
Speaker 1: telling them what to do. Don't forget we only fourteen fifteen,
Speaker 1: so we got my crew were were just as active
Speaker 1: as anybody because you can always heard the strangers. So
Speaker 1: we're coming from the eighties and the sixties was coming
Speaker 1: uh Odie Shaw, Raymond Potts, uh New House, Herman Mond Creek,
Speaker 1: uh Mark Bolden Uh just a gang or we can
Speaker 1: go back over him later. But the point was we
Speaker 1: were unified. But when the hoobers came out, that's when
Speaker 1: the problem happened. Because the hundreds now they're getting kicked out.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you one of my friends. Y'all know
Speaker 1: who Elvis is. If you don't know, that's who started
Speaker 1: the Swans. I think its last name Wilson, Elvis Wilson
Speaker 1: and Michael read my dear Washington. Okay, let's get a
Speaker 1: lot of we're gonna make it happen to night. We're
Speaker 1: gonna have some fun because tonight we're not playing. So
Speaker 1: now Elvin's got killed that man Chester Park where really
Speaker 1: what had happened because the boy was in by I'll
Speaker 1: tell you all my friends got murder conviction and the
Speaker 1: man that was accused of that was invited with me Peabody,
Speaker 1: You Berry, Marcus, Uh None which is uh China Doll
Speaker 1: SENTI and None. I've been known their family since they
Speaker 1: were had at the house since thirteen. So when we
Speaker 1: had to start, when we we and we let me
Speaker 1: tell you any blood that was in their ear on down.
Speaker 1: Tell about if we started breaking up in seventy I've
Speaker 1: been going to jail. You got to get him that Chaluke,
Speaker 1: because it would be about fifty us to one. But
Speaker 1: we never abused the privilege and markets none to tell you.
Speaker 1: When Peabody called it second murder, his little brother came
Speaker 1: with him and they put him in the crypt module
Speaker 1: and he only was eighteen, and he told me, Peabody,
Speaker 1: my brother, I ain't never been in jail. He went
Speaker 1: to jail where line Coop and I say, hold up, y'all,
Speaker 1: this is Peabody brother and I say, don't worry about nothing.
Speaker 1: True story. A lot of time we don't. We didn't
Speaker 1: go because it's only business on the street. But it's
Speaker 1: no way in our era we're gonna be honorable where
Speaker 1: we're gonna try to rat pack somebody or nothing. Then, Uh,
Speaker 1: Salty got killed, Ricky Silas Chocolate. A lot of body
Speaker 1: started falling in the early years. While I can name
Speaker 1: it all day long behind what we're going through down.
Speaker 1: So what happened on the West Side started internally when
Speaker 1: the Hoobers came out the hundreds because they're coming to Watchington.
Speaker 1: Not only did they not like the hunt Hooverers, they
Speaker 1: didn't like the boys. They could have went to Crenshall,
Speaker 1: which was the uh the hip hop school you had
Speaker 1: so trained dancer. But y'all also that was the money
Speaker 1: that dere heights and plus it weren't acted. Seeing sixty
Speaker 1: nine Crenshall weren't acted. When you go to Watchington, it's activity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's when you got underground Block one eleven, Uh payback Watergate,
Speaker 1: Raymond all them are right there and they all come
Speaker 1: from Henry Clay, So that means they got a farm system.
Speaker 1: If you were treated like a team the way. They
Speaker 1: don't want from elementary fucking up to junior fucking up.
Speaker 1: Now the in high school and we're coming in. We
Speaker 1: got the silves to make them respect us. We're not
Speaker 1: from over, We're coming from a horseman. So when that happened,
Speaker 1: the Hoovers, which ended up being the sixties because they
Speaker 1: started to start the east side Bishops, which were west side.
Speaker 1: When I moved off Thready Third, I went on six
Speaker 1: tenth Avenue, and I knew about space coats and them
Speaker 1: all over there on the east side bitshops, but I
Speaker 1: never heard of a west side bit shop. Sow me
Speaker 1: therefoot cookie, Michael Conception. Uh. We set up and I
Speaker 1: pull up, and I see a group of men, and
Speaker 1: this is how you get where you're from, sort of.
Speaker 1: I see a group of dudes coming from Dorsey hey Pool.
Speaker 1: Who stem over there? Oh, man, see you the marks.
Speaker 1: I walk over there. I said, where y'all from? They
Speaker 1: said west side? I mean now, they said bishops. They
Speaker 1: need to have the west side. They say bishops. So
Speaker 1: I say, like bishops with space coasting them on the
Speaker 1: east side. He said yeah. I say, y'all ain't got
Speaker 1: cripp on that. I say, don't be here, Tomorre m hm.
Speaker 1: And next day I can see his name, they know it.
Speaker 1: The next day they were there, and we had a problem.
Speaker 1: And what I tell you about problems, okay you don't
Speaker 1: so I don't have to see it to you. And
Speaker 1: that's what happened. And then the sixties started. But it
Speaker 1: was a problem you already had in hood from one eleven,
Speaker 1: Baby's Face, the Manual family, Uh, the over Hills, Uh,
Speaker 1: those were the ones, and baby Face in particular, and
Speaker 1: Fred Hill because I was with him. Because I told
Speaker 1: you we was robbing ice cream trucks or armored trucks
Speaker 1: at fourteen, so we was having money also. So they said,
Speaker 1: well they want eleven, we six. So see how they
Speaker 1: go makes sense because you already had one eleven. But
Speaker 1: they were in hood, So how are you gonna have
Speaker 1: an in hood up there in the end up up here?
Speaker 1: And we with hoovers and they're fighting hoovers because that's
Speaker 1: when it started, so the hoovers and yes, right, you're
Speaker 1: moving and groobing. We never turned our backs on them.
Speaker 1: We didn't understand why they crips that y'all getting at
Speaker 1: them like that. See, so internal fighting already had started.
Speaker 1: So that's the longest war. When they come to crip hittually,
Speaker 1: not the sixties and the eight trades, it's the Hoovers
Speaker 1: and the hundreds. They never Chapin's to this day. So
Speaker 1: we didn't understand it. So we joined up with them,
Speaker 1: and then we end up and I say we're gonna
Speaker 1: start against the Crips because I'm the founder, co founder.
Speaker 1: So when I see them doing not this before that,
Speaker 1: when I let's get back to when I come out
Speaker 1: and now they don't start at the set where when
Speaker 1: I went in it wasn't but one and I see
Speaker 1: to get them, and I pulled my crew. We leave,
Speaker 1: we stay on eighty three and I say we're gonna
Speaker 1: be gainst the crypt. So I wrote on the wall
Speaker 1: Melvin Farmer, Gangster Crypt. And then that's when we reunited
Speaker 1: with the Hoovers and we had seven for eight tray
Speaker 1: nine dues one oh seven. We locked down that corridor
Speaker 1: down eighty three from that freeway down to where when
Speaker 1: you come to van Nes that side it's crypt. Now
Speaker 1: you've got Jan Brewer, which later would be the Enwood families.
Speaker 1: That this time they were a chain game. Wesley Logan
Speaker 1: little Caesar. So that was to make up on the
Speaker 1: west side. We didn't have games. They had clicked and
Speaker 1: they started from the junior highs mixing because remember when
Speaker 1: that murder happened, they cleaned out the west side. That
Speaker 1: was it wasn't a lot of people that were actually
Speaker 1: get involved. It wasn't a lot of them. Like if
Speaker 1: you would think it was, oh, it's ten tookies, then
Speaker 1: now the eight crowd would be because she it maybe
Speaker 1: four or five of them, it would never be done.
Speaker 1: They hadn't expanded. But when we joined in and like
Speaker 1: you say, the older ones say, we arrived to be
Speaker 1: we juvenile. They didn't have to tell us took them
Speaker 1: or none of them ever went to jail after we
Speaker 1: got in the game. They didn't have to do nothing,
Speaker 1: have fun. We got this and our records would showed
Speaker 1: that we what we did. So we don't have to talk.
Speaker 1: I don't We don't gualify. We just here to give
Speaker 1: a testimony as witnesses and do God that we here.
Speaker 1: We're not here to brag and we want to and
Speaker 1: we want to give condolences to every mother, father, sister,
Speaker 1: and brother in America that has lost somebody that sense
Speaker 1: he's come by us because we cover it all, whether
Speaker 1: his friends, family, folk, or even those that are here
Speaker 1: to serve to protect you. We want to be where
Speaker 1: we would be able to be and talk to all
Speaker 1: community influencers now today with is your change. I don't
Speaker 1: want four a circle where I don't want from a
Speaker 1: tax burden to a taxpayer. While everybody talking about retirement
Speaker 1: and getting home, I'm bragging about my little job at
Speaker 1: Trader Joe's and I'm getting three hundred dollars and I
Speaker 1: ain't been broken this. I ain't been broke to talk
Speaker 1: about breaking the law for three hundred dollars and I
Speaker 1: don't add men. But I earned this, that's right. And
Speaker 1: I gotta sens a pride to where if I sucked
Speaker 1: this off, I could have gave that to my daughter
Speaker 1: in college. I ain't sucking it off. And don't y'all
Speaker 1: do it and sunk off this opportunity. I call it
Speaker 1: practicing poor passing over opportunities repeatedly. Okay, we've been doing
Speaker 1: it too long, y'all. Guy giving us an opportunity that's
Speaker 1: sharing care and we'll be all right. Yeah, let me
Speaker 1: ask you a question, because you go back the guns
Speaker 1: one and listen to you guys story. I think this
Speaker 1: is quietus I ever been to an interview because I'm
Speaker 1: just listening everything you talk about all of sounds like
Speaker 1: it was playing and orchestrated, like it was somebody's pupping
Speaker 1: mass from something. Because you know, most definitely, because if
Speaker 1: you go back to the cocaine and start off with
Speaker 1: some ball and stuff, then he turns the crack and
Speaker 1: tears the community of right then you said everything used
Speaker 1: to be from the shoulders like this. Then the choppers come.
Speaker 1: When did the guns win? And how did the guns communes?
Speaker 1: That's what I thought about. Sometimes you able to do it.
Speaker 1: Get freeway back up here. Don't forget he was messing
Speaker 1: with the con So when the drugs came, let me
Speaker 1: tell you what we thought, that's when the weaponry trained.
Speaker 1: They were sending. Also weapons of war were that were
Speaker 1: for military purposes. So that's when automatics come over here
Speaker 1: with the drug trade and the Consta Nostro there uh
Speaker 1: in El Salvador, and they found that the money trail
Speaker 1: could be easily attracted from the ghetto. And that's when
Speaker 1: they start, um what's his name, um the general? No, no,
Speaker 1: what the one we took the beach for America. John
Speaker 1: so he took the bet for getting the money and
Speaker 1: bringing the eight case to uh the United States and
Speaker 1: push pushing them into the ghetto. So it's always been orchestrated.
Speaker 1: Is we haven't from the Emascipation Proclamation. We have never
Speaker 1: been our own individual self. When we talked about the
Speaker 1: Emascipation Proclamation in eighteen sixty five, blocks were freed and
Speaker 1: done freedom. We never had an economical situation. In eighteen
Speaker 1: sixty five, blocks were one percent of the economical situation
Speaker 1: of America. In two thousand twenty, we're still one percent.
Speaker 1: So we haven't made any progress and a hundred fifty
Speaker 1: six years, how did that be? Okay? So I answer
Speaker 1: this question too. You coming from you know the era,
Speaker 1: what do you feel and what do you see? Like
Speaker 1: every out he's screaming his vote vote this ship, vote that,
Speaker 1: vote that, do this? You what did you see as
Speaker 1: a system change? What have you've seen change as far
Speaker 1: as the time that you have sence from the only
Speaker 1: way with like me and Mevin involved with Credible Messengers.
Speaker 1: Credible Messengers is a nationwide community of ex convicts and
Speaker 1: we go out to make change in children's lives, in
Speaker 1: people's life. I don't tell you what I did to glorify.
Speaker 1: I tell you what I did that. It was just
Speaker 1: like me being in the third grade. From the sixth grade.
Speaker 1: I've done dumb stuff and I had to repeat the
Speaker 1: school year. You did what I'm saying, so you ain't
Speaker 1: got to repeat it. So now today what we're doing
Speaker 1: and what we what we do as blocks in a hole.
Speaker 1: Whoever is the president, it's not gonna change you. We
Speaker 1: ain't got a dog in the fight. If Mickey Mouse
Speaker 1: was the president, it wouldn't change our lives. So people
Speaker 1: screaming all the it's led by the old. So let
Speaker 1: me show you it's a conflict the interest. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get right down to the point, not to cut you off,
Speaker 1: but it's gonna make it real simple for y'all. Let's
Speaker 1: look at it. We'll just say organizations. And I have
Speaker 1: no problems with any organization that can do something to
Speaker 1: brain and save a person's life. But I just attect
Speaker 1: things differently, and that's by the law. Now, when it
Speaker 1: comes to law, why is it when we were talking
Speaker 1: about voting, why would the vote matter when the same
Speaker 1: people are still doing the same things. Where we want
Speaker 1: from water holes is to chokehos. Whether it's Democrat or Republican.
Speaker 1: What's more important is we can make decisions. And when
Speaker 1: we talk about changes voting, when they talk they're talking
Speaker 1: on the federal level. But when it comes to change
Speaker 1: in the community, you start at the local state and
Speaker 1: elected officials that are getting the funding where it's not
Speaker 1: coming to the community. So that's where we concentrate our
Speaker 1: area on our boat. Ain't gonna matter if they beat
Speaker 1: them so much to any because they get money. They up,
Speaker 1: they're getting money. Black lives matter, get all the money,
Speaker 1: So why wouldn't they want to make a lot of
Speaker 1: child law law change? When you see civil rights attorneys
Speaker 1: that are got it locked in where they're getting fourteen
Speaker 1: million jets for a child getting killed by police, it's
Speaker 1: much simpler. Why would you want to change the law
Speaker 1: when you're getting all the money. So when they're out
Speaker 1: there as a spokesperson, there's a conflict the entrant. How
Speaker 1: are you gonna try to stop something that will stop
Speaker 1: your income? But now this is the thing twice, we
Speaker 1: have to make it to where somebody where when you
Speaker 1: talk about police brutality, it starts with qualified immunity. That
Speaker 1: is what give them the opportunity to kill our kids
Speaker 1: with impunity. Now we're gonna get to the civil rights
Speaker 1: that I do for twenty three years, and I think
Speaker 1: I'm arguingly the most best in the nation because I've
Speaker 1: been doing it and been awarded numerous but nobody really
Speaker 1: here about it. See I got we have plans, not promises.
Speaker 1: So when it comes to UH police brutality, when it
Speaker 1: comes to a sessive force, it goes back to voting
Speaker 1: and and and walk intin your feet. Believe those are opinions.
Speaker 1: But the problem stems from h the the UH preponderance
Speaker 1: of evidence when it comes to standard of proof to
Speaker 1: get a police in court, let alone for conviction, as
Speaker 1: opposed to the standard of proof when we do the
Speaker 1: same act, we got that so forth you commit murder,
Speaker 1: the evidence means beyond a reasonable or beyond the preponderance evidence.
Speaker 1: That's what we get, like for when an officer killed
Speaker 1: because of qualified immunity. And that's why you m say
Speaker 1: I thought that seeing that look it appeared, I feared
Speaker 1: because in the court of law that means you have
Speaker 1: to prove when anybody been to the fist that a
Speaker 1: conspiracy and death because it's just that and intent, or
Speaker 1: you won't have a federal case, you have a state case.
Speaker 1: So the burden of proof is different when it comes
Speaker 1: to the police. You have to prove intent. You never
Speaker 1: can prove intent to a police when they wake up
Speaker 1: in the morning not knowing what they job intel and
Speaker 1: they're trained well enough to know all they got to
Speaker 1: do it. So I thought it seeing that look it appeared,
Speaker 1: I feared because in the court of law those words
Speaker 1: means something. I had to life sentences where two words
Speaker 1: were said at the end of the question, though, and
Speaker 1: each time I got a reverse. Her one point can
Speaker 1: change the whole outcome, and that's the word intent. When
Speaker 1: you look up the color of authority that they work
Speaker 1: up under, you cannot prove unless you prove intent. You
Speaker 1: never can indict the police, but they'll be held accountable
Speaker 1: for personal uh liability. And that's where we have a
Speaker 1: five their plan, and that's when we talk about uh
Speaker 1: ponent's over side. We have a plan for that. But
Speaker 1: you see I had a knowledge to address that on
Speaker 1: another It's where we just make it. But let me
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Let me inject on that on
Speaker 1: your plan. When you talk about a plan. You asked
Speaker 1: what we were doing about the vote and people crying
Speaker 1: about the vote, right, And I told you we don't
Speaker 1: have a dog in the race. Every politician other than us,
Speaker 1: they have accountability to their people exactly. Whatever they say,
Speaker 1: whatever they say, they're held account before it. If a
Speaker 1: Mexicans say something bore on the constituent, one of his
Speaker 1: kids get hung or his relatives get hung. In Mexico,
Speaker 1: we have leaders that we have no accountability. They can
Speaker 1: talk for Compton and never been in Compton. They can
Speaker 1: do these things, so it's no accountability to get them.
Speaker 1: So we've never had we've never we've never had a
Speaker 1: party of leaders to ask America for anything. We didn't
Speaker 1: We've never asked for anything. So you can't get anything.
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know. President Obama in eight
Speaker 1: or nineteen, I mean two thousand twelve came up with
Speaker 1: a law called the Jobs Act, and he says, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna break the wealth gap so minorities can get the
Speaker 1: same money as the class right in Chapter seven of
Speaker 1: the Jobs Act. And he said in two thousand and twelve,
Speaker 1: go tell the blacks, right, So now, when they made
Speaker 1: the law in two thousand and fifteen and made the
Speaker 1: Jobs Act law economical wealth, they said, go tell minorities
Speaker 1: that don't make you a nigger. Huh. So now the Iranians,
Speaker 1: the Mexicans, the jack's been dealing with the job Acts.
Speaker 1: Today is the first time y'all ever heard of it
Speaker 1: on so the jobs Let me tell you the job
Speaker 1: it's a closing the wealth gap. They have something if
Speaker 1: you ever heard of unicorn stock. Unicorn stock is a
Speaker 1: bucket stock that goes into when he goes to Wall Street,
Speaker 1: it becomes a billion dollar stock. It's the only thing
Speaker 1: that you can get a thousand percent of on interests.
Speaker 1: If you give a hundred dollars, you get a hundred thousand.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That's unicorn stock. It automatically
Speaker 1: goes They say they find four hundred unicorns a year
Speaker 1: in the world. They don't have but three in America.
Speaker 1: That dude, Robert Heren from Shark Tank. He left Shark Tank.
Speaker 1: He has especially comes on YouTube called Angels and Entrepreneurs
Speaker 1: and he charges from five hundred to five thousand dollars
Speaker 1: to find a unicorn. They say in this first hour,
Speaker 1: he had seventy thousand people that came in on him.
Speaker 1: So he's getting paid every month just to find a unicorn. Right,
Speaker 1: and in all of that, you won't have one black unicorn.
Speaker 1: It's never been a black unicorn. But today it is
Speaker 1: me and my partner's We just if you look at
Speaker 1: the Black Unicorn factory, my partner's uh, Johnny Stewart just
Speaker 1: he just got out of the FEDS in April last month.
Speaker 1: He just acquired two hundred and twenty five million dollars
Speaker 1: for Unicorn stock. By March, he will be a unicorn
Speaker 1: and we will be the first black billionaire company. You
Speaker 1: did what I'm saying, so not knowing, not knowing economical
Speaker 1: value of what we're doing. People talking for us and
Speaker 1: talk about us. But even after the riots, everybody property
Speaker 1: but blocks. The Koreans got new money, everybody got new ship,
Speaker 1: but we still got vernal places on on Vere Mountain
Speaker 1: and Manchester people's but ain't nothing but a lie came
Speaker 1: back and building nothing in the black community. Because we
Speaker 1: asked for nothing, we ain't got. You think what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So when it all comes down and you hear every
Speaker 1: politician when they speak and they said we're gonna do
Speaker 1: this for minority and we're gonna do They never mentioned
Speaker 1: black people in America. Can you guys, were nothing cuts
Speaker 1: you off? I want to ask a question that may
Speaker 1: be kind of rhetorical, it may not be an answer.
Speaker 1: What do we do now? Because it seems like our
Speaker 1: community is another chaos. Our kids are losing their minds.
Speaker 1: You got kids running around wearing dress, boys wearing dresses,
Speaker 1: um and it's almost like, you know, sometimes if you
Speaker 1: look at it almost seems like, man, is the world
Speaker 1: about the end? You know, you got the rumors of war,
Speaker 1: you got the pandemics from the round, You've got people.
Speaker 1: You know, if you broke it down the street man,
Speaker 1: you know, you passing brother using your acknowledge that the
Speaker 1: brother you're doing bever, you look like you look like
Speaker 1: they you know you kind of like like like what
Speaker 1: I try to make it a point to when I
Speaker 1: see another brother, always say hey, what's up? Or try
Speaker 1: to give up that that that that you know you
Speaker 1: could pull up on the motherfuckering give him that look
Speaker 1: and be wrong. So you try to do that nowadays,
Speaker 1: trying to break the ice in certain situations because I
Speaker 1: think you're gonna always run into that. And it's another
Speaker 1: thing too. What happened to are you doing? Sir? Where
Speaker 1: did O G come from? Like? And I don't mind that,
Speaker 1: but to me, it's disrespect. We see what's happing O G.
Speaker 1: What do you know what I mean? Like like O
Speaker 1: G right now, I mean the opportunity together. We need
Speaker 1: to change that dialogue to where you think the bog
Speaker 1: you got the beach hardcore. See, sometimes we have to
Speaker 1: change the dialogue else we ain't gonna never change your thing.
Speaker 1: So we need to make it with O G. Just
Speaker 1: stand for opportunity. Gither then anybody age because what they
Speaker 1: do is try to make it look like they was
Speaker 1: here there in the beginning. But then when we do that,
Speaker 1: like his grandson, they don't want to listen to it.
Speaker 1: That's because you ain't give them them. No, they don't
Speaker 1: get the resources. And that's come back to where the
Speaker 1: resources not coming because what happened is you have to
Speaker 1: get economical developed in the community. Let me tell you
Speaker 1: they had the hundred days hundred nights. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: to the point when the hundred days hundred nights started.
Speaker 1: That's when l A and UH every game in l
Speaker 1: A was after the hoovers and the trades, and that
Speaker 1: was when they said they was gonna kill somebody. Crime
Speaker 1: and murder was at all time low. And you probably
Speaker 1: heard of the community. I'm from their valley. So from
Speaker 1: to this day you hear all the politicians and Caring
Speaker 1: Bath and everybody that's against public safety, Mike Gibson, and
Speaker 1: they'll be bragging about crime is down. But it's also
Speaker 1: through their efforts. But a lot of times people that
Speaker 1: are closest and had a boot to the ground, they
Speaker 1: do the work when the cameras not around. So those
Speaker 1: are the ones that are work where I can say
Speaker 1: just overall crime from the highest and where there was
Speaker 1: when the streets like come on to where we at now,
Speaker 1: it's a tremendous uh. That's but like when Nipsey Hustle
Speaker 1: murder happened in Unity Games, if you think Nipsey Hustle
Speaker 1: murder made it to where the eight Trade gangsters overnight happened.
Speaker 1: I just put a picture of a big you tony
Speaker 1: station where in Melvin already had a vision because I'm
Speaker 1: in a church where everybody in there, big youth, family
Speaker 1: and all sixties and they were still warn I've been
Speaker 1: discussed that and that's when the murders went down. Where
Speaker 1: we kept its secret. So when we hear the other stories,
Speaker 1: they add bros in it, But Melvin had his hands.
Speaker 1: And where I do deals to where I bring in
Speaker 1: opposing sets to where they create dialog. That's what I do.
Speaker 1: I'm a community organizer and I basically had where we
Speaker 1: should have diplomatic and I do on my side of
Speaker 1: the town and any where else because I never crossed
Speaker 1: the line. When the crypts went into crypt on crypt
Speaker 1: in a d I retired because I knew everybody from
Speaker 1: seventy one that made it what it is at that
Speaker 1: time and I couldn't go back. So and at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, we have an organization where we
Speaker 1: have on our own where we can do it on
Speaker 1: our own to where we write, like I said, we
Speaker 1: cover police brutality, police oversight, community concerns, and community and
Speaker 1: citizens complaint. Not only do we talk about games, because
Speaker 1: I'm telling you I'm coming to run for a district,
Speaker 1: I talk about homelessness. I'm gonna do it. A new
Speaker 1: bill called Isis, which is in a city stress central
Speaker 1: to where like they say, they got p s D
Speaker 1: or S T D or whenever they go to war.
Speaker 1: These kids been born in the war, and who talked
Speaker 1: for them? When these youths are being violated and they're
Speaker 1: not getting a chance. So we're not just talking about it.
Speaker 1: I feel that should be to where these kids we
Speaker 1: have to partaken in. Just because of elephant has the
Speaker 1: biggest head doesn't mean he got all the sense. So
Speaker 1: in other birds I want to get and where we
Speaker 1: all have a voice with your generation. That that way
Speaker 1: you hear the thoughts and then we react off their
Speaker 1: thoughts and go into action. If they say this what
Speaker 1: bothering them? I ain't gonna argue them. If that's what
Speaker 1: bothering You'm to see what I can do to help
Speaker 1: take that helment away. And that's how you preach and teach.
Speaker 1: We have to set example from him where he taught me,
Speaker 1: because you know, I'll tell y'all want to hear that
Speaker 1: we argued before we are exactly and hey, we argued
Speaker 1: all day. What we do shows high and we let
Speaker 1: it go and look how the show came out. Nobody hesitated,
Speaker 1: all of us speaking from the heart. Grown men can
Speaker 1: talk to each other, especially when you've been through the same.
Speaker 1: You know, trials and tributa the same stand each other.
Speaker 1: I just want to ask one more question. Um, I
Speaker 1: like to I want to give people because you know
Speaker 1: I when I do songs or when I write, you know,
Speaker 1: I put out music. I always try to give people
Speaker 1: to the sense of it's never to glorify where I
Speaker 1: was from or the situations Compton. You know, I grew
Speaker 1: up whatever, it was always a product of my environment.
Speaker 1: Now you say your grandson is uh, the the young
Speaker 1: Look he's how old? When my grand size twenty? My son,
Speaker 1: I gotta some sixteen? Right, it's the product of your environment.
Speaker 1: Do you feel that adapts to the product of their environment?
Speaker 1: Because I lived in Spook Town automatically, by the time
Speaker 1: it was you to go was it was, it was
Speaker 1: natural to game, right to join the set, so to speak. Okay,
Speaker 1: I started wrapping, making music, whatever I moved out to,
Speaker 1: you know, the something birds, you know, emin Empire. My
Speaker 1: son never seen gang banging, but from what he's heard
Speaker 1: from me and stories of the homies and watching Minister Society,
Speaker 1: me acting and whatever, it's never had that. You know,
Speaker 1: his life was growing up. He's a football start at
Speaker 1: his high school and I put him in sports at
Speaker 1: three years old, so I gave him a different environment.
Speaker 1: So to speaking, if he grew up where I was banging,
Speaker 1: is natural that nine times out of ten he probably
Speaker 1: would be banging to because he has to serve a
Speaker 1: youth and in the city where when you moved him out,
Speaker 1: he had total freedom to be itself. Like when you
Speaker 1: take a youth into a music thing where they got instruments.
Speaker 1: You might want him to play a horn, but he'd
Speaker 1: be banging the drums when that's what you should have
Speaker 1: got cuts his ears telling him that's what he liked.
Speaker 1: But when let me, let me, let me invene intervene
Speaker 1: on that, because sometimes just because you move a kid somewhere,
Speaker 1: don't change their lifestyle. There's not let me just let
Speaker 1: me just want some some work some people, and some
Speaker 1: people have moved out of Watts and moved to Rancho
Speaker 1: Coca Manga and they got Rancho Coca Manga bloods because
Speaker 1: he wasn't doing nothing in the hood and when he
Speaker 1: got out there from but when they first rode the
Speaker 1: ranch from Cuca Manga was exclusive over time. That's not
Speaker 1: a long Let's not make it where he's wrong, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you the calls and effects. Don't forget
Speaker 1: when they moved from watch that's the equivalent of Beverly
Speaker 1: Goddamn Hills. And during time with gentrification came and forced
Speaker 1: you there. Then they set you there, and now they're
Speaker 1: sending that environment where it don't being placed here. See
Speaker 1: how that's depantification. Because in the ever, when you say
Speaker 1: you move to Watts, don't. I'm not saying. You know
Speaker 1: when they from out there to Rancho, I guarantee you
Speaker 1: when they started it was an exclusive area. So now
Speaker 1: when you say they went there and they were gangbanging,
Speaker 1: there was no gang banging there until they relocated. That's cobble.
Speaker 1: You can research it so I can vigialize that area
Speaker 1: where you're right. But later on, but what he's asking,
Speaker 1: what he asked is about the environment of children and
Speaker 1: how his child where he grew up at now undercover,
Speaker 1: his kid may be a great kid, but he's still
Speaker 1: got the image gangster father. M c A right, he's
Speaker 1: still got the grounds a counter right. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He may be where he at, but every
Speaker 1: night and then he gonna buffett to his peers. Because
Speaker 1: this is what it's it's about now doing the struggle.
Speaker 1: My kids grew up in County. Most I got him
Speaker 1: that didn't grew up in Pasadena. My son the one
Speaker 1: that just told me that, Uh, couldn't nobody tell me nothing.
Speaker 1: This boy went to private school, he went to Sarah
Speaker 1: High School, went to college, came back out and still
Speaker 1: became a fruit time by her, You did what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: So the environment sometimes perceives it's not what I did
Speaker 1: for him, but what somebody else told him. I was like,
Speaker 1: I told him, I just met you. How do you
Speaker 1: know what I did when I was a kid. You
Speaker 1: did what I'm saying, So, environment a lot of times
Speaker 1: just because he's basing his reputation or being from fruit
Speaker 1: Town because of what he heard about O your dad
Speaker 1: was doing this, and you got, like I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: you got a forty fifty year old dude and still
Speaker 1: in the park. He's only in the park because he
Speaker 1: lost his mama's house. He's riding the bicycle, not because
Speaker 1: the exercise, because he don't have a driver's license. And
Speaker 1: he's telling a fifteen or sixteen year old about being
Speaker 1: O G's and he really never met James. You didn't
Speaker 1: say he wasn't cool. At the time, James was cool,
Speaker 1: but now, oh yeah, man, I was with him c
Speaker 1: A not in this. But who is the one the
Speaker 1: balance that say you're lying? So that's why I could
Speaker 1: when we talk about how we control I keep it
Speaker 1: relevant in the hood. Like brother was just saying, I
Speaker 1: have to have respect. Don't call me O G. I'm
Speaker 1: now Mr. Mr Kenzie. I earned that respect, Nigga when
Speaker 1: when we're not teammates, you did what I'm saying, you
Speaker 1: feel okay? Do you feel offended when when Nigga's come
Speaker 1: up to you or know of your history, do you
Speaker 1: feel offended by them associating you with that? No? I
Speaker 1: mean I'm who I am because of what I wouldn't
Speaker 1: change a thing in my life. I grew up, like
Speaker 1: I said, I thought I was in the Beaver Clear.
Speaker 1: They told me Compton was together in nineteen seventy and
Speaker 1: why I didn't understand it. It's nothing I would have done.
Speaker 1: I would have changed my some things that I read
Speaker 1: my mother through. You did what I'm saying, But everything
Speaker 1: else I did it for a purpose. I didn't go
Speaker 1: in I didn't get into gang banging for because somebody
Speaker 1: jumped me in I see the economical value, and I was,
Speaker 1: I was. I was manufacturing PCP when I got out
Speaker 1: of prison, and I put it down with my little
Speaker 1: homeboys so we could do things out of time. Everybody
Speaker 1: had catalogs A little fellow, uh babe for all all
Speaker 1: of them, Uh Danny Pittman, all of them dudes came
Speaker 1: up under me. You did what I'm saying. So it's
Speaker 1: certain things that I can't hide from. And I don't
Speaker 1: say I'm sorry for what I did. It was an education,
Speaker 1: but you don't have to go through the same struggle
Speaker 1: I did. Now I want to answer that. And asked
Speaker 1: me the same question because that's from a prospective view,
Speaker 1: and that's from a political view where they priested that.
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna talk about the crypts view because I
Speaker 1: believe Blew. Now, I asked me the same question because
Speaker 1: he eats under the four years. Now, I asked me
Speaker 1: the same question. That's what you asked. Was you asked,
Speaker 1: was do you think when I moved my son to Rancho?
Speaker 1: Did you think that make it? Because my son ain't
Speaker 1: been subjected to it. And now let me tell you
Speaker 1: when I said what I said, and it does make
Speaker 1: a difference. Sometimes you can be blinded by the light
Speaker 1: with their answers. In the dark, all I know is
Speaker 1: whatever you did was successful, and that's what I would
Speaker 1: call protocol. There's nothing else to explain because as I said,
Speaker 1: his opinion is right. And once again I always go
Speaker 1: back to pro black and anti black. Those are two
Speaker 1: different ideologies. So you cannot press your ideology when what
Speaker 1: you're talking about is the kids that committed violence that
Speaker 1: create exactly what they're talking about. That era didn't commit
Speaker 1: and make the bloods and the crypts. They were pro
Speaker 1: blacks or else we when they had to fight him
Speaker 1: when we went there. That that so that. But what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is the question was did it change to
Speaker 1: where he had a chance. To me, when I look
Speaker 1: at it, all I see as a kid because he
Speaker 1: didn't have to avoid gun violence, didn't have to worry
Speaker 1: about being pressure, could concentrate and focus on and have
Speaker 1: a chance to survive. It succeeded and he didn't get
Speaker 1: in trouble where a lot of times we're just born
Speaker 1: in the in the community where to where we don't
Speaker 1: have no choice but to try to survive every day
Speaker 1: and get what we can, how we can, and it
Speaker 1: could be kind of any kind of way. So it
Speaker 1: goes back to your economic cor and we need to
Speaker 1: start doing what you say as for us bringing the thing,
Speaker 1: but also practicing what you're telling us now to where
Speaker 1: I understand what I made. My mistake. That was a
Speaker 1: hellable question you did and his solution. I learned something
Speaker 1: that Hey, they go back to listening and saying all
Speaker 1: we need to do is sprouted their protocol because they
Speaker 1: were pro That means they never had no hard feelings
Speaker 1: towards me in your life, which you fas them different, right,
Speaker 1: but the he in the same what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: What you're talking this is two thousand and twenty, and
Speaker 1: we got the same plague. So these kids don't are
Speaker 1: not growing up having to really set You were setting
Speaker 1: tripping off each other. Now, so where did we get
Speaker 1: that dispensation? You did what I'm saying, Well, I can
Speaker 1: understand what you're saying about moving the child out in
Speaker 1: a safe space, but now where's the safe space with
Speaker 1: the media with the thing. You got gang bangers in
Speaker 1: Mississippi in the woods exactly, you did what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: So what was what's their difference. So with media changing
Speaker 1: with this and that it's not all the time you
Speaker 1: can save a kid. I had. I had a lady
Speaker 1: tell me one time that she never knew. She sent
Speaker 1: her son out every day in a uniform, and he
Speaker 1: went to the bushes and put on some gang to
Speaker 1: her and when people told her about it, she custom
Speaker 1: out until he got arrested for a murder. Ten years
Speaker 1: this boy was gang banging and his mom them never knew.
Speaker 1: Because now with the workforce, with the things that parents
Speaker 1: are doing. See, the system took children out of our
Speaker 1: control for thirty years. You can't whoop them. You can't
Speaker 1: do nothing to him. So now children feel like I
Speaker 1: gotta right. I'll call nine one one on. You have
Speaker 1: parents scared of their children. Now America has abandoned black children.
Speaker 1: Now they tell you that they closed down LP. Juvenile
Speaker 1: Hall only has hard crimes. You did what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: They closed LP down the county system. Yeah, the county
Speaker 1: system has turned over everything to another form. Now your
Speaker 1: child has to go and replacement. If something happened to
Speaker 1: like I said before, I could put my my mother,
Speaker 1: damn could put me in juvenile hall for incorrigible. That
Speaker 1: they I wouldn't mind, and I had to go to
Speaker 1: juvenile hall. But today if a child is incorrigible and
Speaker 1: you can't have them a child, you go to jail, yasue.
Speaker 1: In some states your fucking kid miss school or this.
Speaker 1: That's so now they didn't turn the children loose on you.
Speaker 1: You ain't even that with this kid in twenty years
Speaker 1: now they gotta tell you you got to deal with him.
Speaker 1: You I don't even know him. Yeah, you know this stuff. Man.
Speaker 1: We can go on on like man, and we will
Speaker 1: have to have y'all come on again, man, because this
Speaker 1: has been an incredible episode. Man, it's nothing but the
Speaker 1: truth coming out. Man. Can't nobody to big enough of
Speaker 1: your sin because it's true and big personally. It's not
Speaker 1: about bloods and crypts. It's not about what side was
Speaker 1: the best and what's I was this Every prison I
Speaker 1: went to, we was out numbered by cripts. You recognize
Speaker 1: the bloods because they still a tall and fault nine
Speaker 1: against two forty. You know what I'm I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: it didn't matter about the power, It didn't matter about
Speaker 1: who would I mean, it didn't meant none of that
Speaker 1: ship matters. Today we're killing each other. You got more
Speaker 1: cryps killing crypts than crypts killing bloods. What was our purpose?
Speaker 1: The purpose is gone now. This is what matters, the
Speaker 1: purpose of being a game member. It's no good. It's
Speaker 1: we exhausted everything here. You know what I'm saying. After
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're thirty, if you eight, and you
Speaker 1: have there banging like you don't know ship, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. This is the experience right here. But
Speaker 1: people gotta understand, man, it just don't matter. Look at
Speaker 1: the color of our skin. Let's pay attention to where
Speaker 1: we at. As we get older, we get smarter. That's
Speaker 1: when we grow up. That's when our mentality changed. And
Speaker 1: that's when we stop doing what we're doing. And that's
Speaker 1: why we at the table now because we want that
Speaker 1: change because we got grandkids. My grandson is gonna be
Speaker 1: as solid as as everything. Because I'm raising the hands
Speaker 1: on not get out there and go shoot if boy,
Speaker 1: if you don't, if you get your ass, whoop, whoop
Speaker 1: your at, we don't have to do that. I'm teaching
Speaker 1: you how to be a little man, a young man,
Speaker 1: and then a dog man. I'm teaching me and that's
Speaker 1: what all of us need to stand up and do
Speaker 1: just teach our grandkids and our grand our sons and them.
Speaker 1: But you don't know what you just said, James, whether
Speaker 1: we was out up, but they're not in the penitentiary.
Speaker 1: We understood that we wasn't the enemy of each other.
Speaker 1: We had white boys and mesticans. Before I get mad
Speaker 1: at the crip, I had to take care of my
Speaker 1: other business. You think I'm saying. I was in tracing
Speaker 1: in with nine hidden sixty crips on the line and
Speaker 1: book of Teeth and broad Away and and Swan. Big
Speaker 1: Swan came and told me you can't stay here, man,
Speaker 1: this is blue city. Like the same bus brought me
Speaker 1: brought you. How you how have the rolling up? I
Speaker 1: just did twenty two months in the hole in saying
Speaker 1: corne you think I'm a lock up. This is not
Speaker 1: going down. So now the representatives from Compton, Uh Santanna,
Speaker 1: Mike Sherwood boun they I've been knowing these since kids,
Speaker 1: and they're like, man home, if y'all got some against marm,
Speaker 1: you've got something. Sherwood came out one morning with a
Speaker 1: red sweatshirt on a front hood crib. That's right. This
Speaker 1: was you could still red where you did what I'm
Speaker 1: saying so so so we understand that it was basic us.
Speaker 1: You did what I'm saying when he sat tripping and this,
Speaker 1: and like I'm saying, uh Malarbruke, Mike from Hoover, all
Speaker 1: of these dudes that I've been going with, Like, man,
Speaker 1: if even that being growing up, being a blood, you
Speaker 1: had to respect each other because wherever you went you
Speaker 1: was out number. You didn't have a choice. If I
Speaker 1: don't if we now we can go into shell and fight.
Speaker 1: But after that show, but we're gonna go to child hall.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do whatever. We can walk to yard and
Speaker 1: do whatever. But I mean all of that is like
Speaker 1: out the window. Let's let's say, yeah, this could be manday.
Speaker 1: But I think I, like you said, we we've learned
Speaker 1: a little better that you know, a lot of us
Speaker 1: who have grown up and mature, have you know, learned
Speaker 1: the ways of trying to educate, at least in our
Speaker 1: section or the youth we know we try to give
Speaker 1: knowledge to. So, like you said, we could talk for
Speaker 1: hours an hour about the same ship we go. Can
Speaker 1: we gonna shut it down? No, man, because I can
Speaker 1: keep we can keep going to twelve o'clock and legs
Speaker 1: now Man. Where can the people find out your information?
Speaker 1: Then where can they go? Melvin Farmer um credible messenger.
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Speaker 1: running for the eighth district. I think that's where change starts.
Speaker 1: I'm not here UH sit and talk about it like
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Speaker 1: It's not the fall of the elected officials when it
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