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Speaker 1: Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No
Speaker 1: Sinners Podcast with your hosts Now fuck that with your
Speaker 1: load glasses Malone. Everybody been asking me on the lunch
Speaker 1: hour and where's Pete? And I really haven't told anybody,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Why I'm like, oh, he
Speaker 1: just taking a little sabbatical, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like he'll be back, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you can tell people because this ain't for the
Speaker 1: lunch hour, this is for the regular podcast.
Speaker 3: This is for just audience.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, I have to get back into like full time
Speaker 3: like trading trading and shit, because like I functioned in
Speaker 3: huge ebbs and flows the last couple of years, so
Speaker 3: I've made like I've tripled my money in a quarter
Speaker 3: and then like halved my money in a quarter like subsequently,
Speaker 3: So like during stretches when I like pour a bunch
Speaker 3: of money into some shit and don't have any money
Speaker 3: until it cycles back up again, I have to drive Uber.
Speaker 3: But I got kicked off the fucking platform permanently. So
Speaker 3: I joined this options trading group that goes in the mornings.
Speaker 3: But I'm new to it and I'm not throwing ten
Speaker 3: K and these option moves out of the rip like
Speaker 3: that shit's I mean, I got clobbered the first week.
Speaker 3: So I was like, yeah, if I'm to do this
Speaker 3: full time, I can't try to get in and out
Speaker 3: in the mornings with the group. So I'm like on
Speaker 3: the market all day long, trying to make more moves
Speaker 3: at smaller volumes while I learned. And I've been learning,
Speaker 3: so it's getting better. But yeah, the lunch table that
Speaker 3: happens during trading hours, so I'm unavailable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they got to just hold up till we
Speaker 1: figure it out. So what happened was because that was
Speaker 1: your numb will just mess up pay your bills time.
Speaker 1: I really tell what happened.
Speaker 3: So this is what made it even more weird. I
Speaker 3: literally would just go to the gym, which is by
Speaker 3: the airport in Miami Airport, sit there till someone was
Speaker 3: going up to for Lauderdale and then once then go
Speaker 3: to for a Lotder airport and wait till someone was
Speaker 3: coming back to Miami and go home. That was all
Speaker 3: I would do. I wasn't out all damn day and
Speaker 3: all night long pick people. I just went from one
Speaker 3: airport to the other and back. After the gym. That
Speaker 3: was it don't enough enough, I don't. I got told
Speaker 3: that I had complaints. Bear in mind, the city of
Speaker 3: Miami is a third world cluster fuck shit show, and
Speaker 3: that's more true on the roads than anywhere else. That's
Speaker 3: where it all comes. Everything comes to Jesus on the roads.
Speaker 3: These people don't know how to drive. They crash like
Speaker 3: nothing I've ever personally seen. I've driven half a million
Speaker 3: miles in Los Angeles County. I've never seen anything like this.
Speaker 3: They banned me for I got apparently that I got
Speaker 3: two complaints about unsafe driving practices. I must have used
Speaker 3: my turn signal and it scared them strange as shit.
Speaker 1: And so then what did Uber do?
Speaker 3: They just sent me a message that you go, You're done,
Speaker 3: no appeal process.
Speaker 4: That's nothing I set.
Speaker 3: In the peel and it's been over a week. Then
Speaker 3: they don't know what They're not going to turn that.
Speaker 3: I only did this to see what would happen.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna turn that shit. So we need an
Speaker 1: inside plug at Uber. So shout out to everybody who
Speaker 1: missions to No Sings podcast or the lunch tables. We
Speaker 1: need to plug inside Uber to get Pete's account overturn.
Speaker 1: Because how many stars did you have as a driver
Speaker 1: out of five?
Speaker 3: Like four point nine and then and then I got
Speaker 3: lowered to four point like eight eight, So not real bad,
Speaker 3: But I mean what I after after my spot burned
Speaker 3: down in California, I drove ten hours a day, seven
Speaker 3: days a week for three or four years in a row.
Speaker 3: Like I didn't take a night off work for like
Speaker 3: fourteen hundred days in a row. Like that's probably shortened
Speaker 3: shorten it. It was probably more mh. But like, I mean,
Speaker 3: you got me. I never I never had a complain
Speaker 3: like that. And usually even if you speed the app
Speaker 3: tracks you you get a messa say, it looks like
Speaker 3: you've been speeding lately. I hadn't had one of else.
Speaker 3: I mean, is I personally like I know what happened.
Speaker 3: A couple people I got a little impatient with because
Speaker 3: they couldn't find where I was because they they know
Speaker 3: it all, which they don't. And they go upstairs after
Speaker 3: they asked me to go downstairs and then tell me
Speaker 3: that they're downstairs. So I'm like, you're not, you're upstairs,
Speaker 3: and they get and they get all chippy, and then
Speaker 3: I tell them, go look at the sign, what's to say?
Speaker 3: Read it to me out loud, And they read to
Speaker 3: me out loud and they go, oh, I guess I'm upstairs.
Speaker 3: I go yeah, But by that time I'm pretty pissed,
Speaker 3: so they probably complained in a drive like shit, that's
Speaker 3: the only thing that could have.
Speaker 4: Happened that or twice.
Speaker 3: I only got I only saw one of them, but
Speaker 3: they said it happened twice, but they only said they
Speaker 3: can only document one, so it's whatever I mean.
Speaker 4: You never drove for Lyft.
Speaker 3: I got banned from Lift for life.
Speaker 1: Awesome, pe got banned from Twitter, and.
Speaker 3: I got banned from every every big Silicon Valley based,
Speaker 3: multi billion dollar tax.
Speaker 1: Every liberal platform possible.
Speaker 3: Basically, I got banned from Lyft though for turning down
Speaker 3: cheap rides at the airport. I didn't even do anything.
Speaker 3: I was just sitting there looking at it. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I don't want that. I don't want that. I don't
Speaker 3: want that. And they're like, you're banned for life, and
Speaker 3: I was like.
Speaker 1: Huh, happened. So again, to everybody who listens to No
Speaker 1: Sellers podcast or or come watch the Lunch Hour on
Speaker 1: YouTube if you have a plug. Pete has great driving reviews.
Speaker 3: We need you to make sure I want to be back.
Speaker 3: I didn't make more money last week than otherwise.
Speaker 1: Okay, but anyway, we need to make sure we get
Speaker 1: this off of your thing. Anyway, the option should be.
Speaker 3: Available, so if y'all it's nice to have a back
Speaker 3: safety of that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so if the option was possible, y'all can help.
Speaker 1: Please help reach out hit its own Instagram and you
Speaker 1: can help out No Seilings Podcast. What's having gl I
Speaker 1: got my brother Peter Boss, who hasn't been on the
Speaker 1: Lunch Hour but he's back for the No Seilings podcast
Speaker 1: because he does have time during the weekend and knock
Speaker 1: out the weekly podcast. I got my brother King in
Speaker 1: the house doing the laure's work. Then we off with
Speaker 1: this thing.
Speaker 3: Man, So I hope we should have put upload the
Speaker 3: video here because we finally get a chance to really
Speaker 3: see King. His camera's not so far away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can adjust that too at the studio. But
Speaker 1: then I kind of like the wide of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's cool. You've got multiple people at the table.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So what you were saying gave me two thoughts,
Speaker 1: and that's why I was asking, and thank you for
Speaker 1: letting me share you know what's happening. But you sent
Speaker 1: me a really dope article and a lot of those
Speaker 1: same things. I was thinking, you know what I mean
Speaker 1: in that article, and the article just talked about how
Speaker 1: America kind of how the elite and the most successful
Speaker 1: people in America realized they could even make more money,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and they decided to sell
Speaker 1: out the average American citizen for their own personal glory.
Speaker 1: But one of the things I remember about it in
Speaker 1: this conversation or in this article specifically, and I want
Speaker 1: the address in this conversation was where they talked about
Speaker 1: trading in production for service. Yes, like in the industry
Speaker 1: for service. I read it to King too. That's the
Speaker 1: crazy part. I read it to King.
Speaker 4: Want to say, what, so that's the article you read
Speaker 4: to me?
Speaker 1: Was driving? Yeah, I've read it to King because I
Speaker 1: just wanted to hear him and you could tell it
Speaker 1: with somebody much more educated in it than I am, right,
Speaker 1: because honestly, intellect will get you far. You can't overstep
Speaker 1: the ability to think and process because you're lacking information.
Speaker 1: But some of this stuff feels a little obvious, right,
Speaker 1: And one of those things I thought about was, you know,
Speaker 1: America was a much better place. It might have been
Speaker 1: a little bit more racist, but it was a much
Speaker 1: better place in the fifties and sixties, where the average
Speaker 1: everyday American can go down to a factory, you know,
Speaker 1: and start to sacrifice their dreams per se right to
Speaker 1: buy a house, take care of their family, and put
Speaker 1: their kids through school. And they convinced every anybody in
Speaker 1: America that you were going to become a part of
Speaker 1: marketing or like service. And that's what I thought about
Speaker 1: when when you taught me everything that was happening with
Speaker 1: you with uber, where I was like, damn, this is
Speaker 1: exactly that type of thing where it's now just a
Speaker 1: service thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the economy shift happened on like I got hit
Speaker 3: in the face with that when I was twenty four,
Speaker 3: when the entire when like a generations model of like
Speaker 3: how corporate sales worked shifted like on a dime in
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, and everybody went to like this
Speaker 3: weird like ten ninety nine commission only sales jobs, or
Speaker 3: you were either making two hundred grand or you were
Speaker 3: getting like no money, or they were hiring it.
Speaker 1: And that's what I was thinking about. I was thinking
Speaker 1: about that specifically, like that's one of those things where
Speaker 1: you know, like the concept of convenience is ruined the
Speaker 1: quality of life. Like I watched Dave Chapelle, I'm a
Speaker 1: huge fan of Da Chapelle, like a huge, huge fan
Speaker 1: of Day Chapelle. And he was saying, like, we don't
Speaker 1: want those jobs. And he was talking about making shoes,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Yo, that's not the job he's talking about, right,
Speaker 1: he's talking about like if Trump, if we're talking about
Speaker 1: Trump is like he's talking about the industry jobs and
Speaker 1: how everybody in America felt, oh, we were done with
Speaker 1: those jobs. But whole nations are building, you know, their
Speaker 1: whole economy off of those same exact like opportunities. Sure,
Speaker 1: And what I'm missing, Pete, like, how do they convince
Speaker 1: the industry? How do they convince America? Like America? Why
Speaker 1: can't America see it? Now? Like? What am I missing?
Speaker 1: That makes it so hard for the average everyday American
Speaker 1: to understand.
Speaker 3: That understand the fact that offshoring the productive industry sector
Speaker 3: had ramifications for probably a third to forty percent of
Speaker 3: the quality of life of working Americans.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think like how could politics? How could politics
Speaker 1: make Americans somehow not notice that this was something driven
Speaker 1: by politics?
Speaker 3: Look, people with politics, I mean, and it isn't a
Speaker 3: lot of senses driven by politics in multiple ways. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think that like you look at the agricultural and
Speaker 3: like ranching sectors in the United States, which those supported
Speaker 3: lots of people for a long time. You know, they've
Speaker 3: become very consolidated. They don't support as many peoples they
Speaker 3: used to. And a lot has to do with the
Speaker 3: fact that other other countries, I mean, like like all
Speaker 3: of the trade war stuff, people don't think. People think, oh,
Speaker 3: Donald Trump's firing off tariff bombs at every country in
Speaker 3: the world or whatever, Like he's basically shooting back with
Speaker 3: fifty percent of the tariffs that they have on us,
Speaker 3: just about like fifty two percent, it seems like. So
Speaker 3: that means even if there's not a market for certain
Speaker 3: things here that we could make, there might be a
Speaker 3: market for them elsewhere, but it's not even cost effective
Speaker 3: to send them out. So that's problematic. I think people
Speaker 3: also just figured in reality, like a lot of poys
Speaker 3: looked at it, well, Okay, who cares. If everything gets
Speaker 3: cheaper and you make a little bit less money, you'll
Speaker 3: be able to afford it because it's all so much cheaper.
Speaker 3: I think that's the ultimate like frame of reference for
Speaker 3: people in their understanding of consumer globalism.
Speaker 1: Do they not see that you don't have money, so
Speaker 1: these need to be cheaper, Like how could they miss
Speaker 1: that obvious fact?
Speaker 3: Now they part of that like as a car guard peak.
Speaker 1: Like one thing you hear about I've always heard over
Speaker 1: the last forty years, right this is now we're going
Speaker 1: back to my teenage years, right is I've always heard like,
Speaker 1: oh man, this stuff made in China, Like that's a
Speaker 1: reference of bad quality. Sure like historically, now I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's being prejudiced, but historically I've read for
Speaker 1: companies that was true. Yeah, I get it because you
Speaker 1: don't want to just say that, but I understand why
Speaker 1: it's that way. So like if prime example, shout out
Speaker 1: to Airflow Research. Airfrs are like my favorite cylinder heads
Speaker 1: when it comes to drag racing cars. They just got
Speaker 1: a free commercial. It's like one of the best heads ever,
Speaker 1: cetldar heads. If you want to make your car make
Speaker 1: more power, AFFR Airflow Research best cetlder heads and racing
Speaker 1: as far as GM stuff for stuff, just really great company.
Speaker 1: They have a head now, right that's like a head
Speaker 1: for an LS motor, a cylinder head, and it's like
Speaker 1: a it's like cheap. It's like twelve hundred dollars for
Speaker 1: set for like a five to three. Well, five to
Speaker 1: three is like the equivalent of a modern three twenty seven.
Speaker 1: But the new motors and chevrolets, they you know, they
Speaker 1: don't title them in cubic inch anymore. They have a
Speaker 1: set of heads for those that run twelve hundred. Now,
Speaker 1: this is like, by far the cheapest head Airflow Research
Speaker 1: ever had. And I'm asking a buddy of minds. Now,
Speaker 1: I have a really good friend who actually designed the
Speaker 1: Airflow Research heads, which is crazy, Like, this is how
Speaker 1: long I've been in the racing. This is how much
Speaker 1: I'm into it. A buddy of minds who helped me
Speaker 1: do my head race card, right, is actually the guy
Speaker 1: who designed the heads for Airflow Research. And he said,
Speaker 1: he said, but why these head so cheap? I asked him.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, it's my lowrider for my five three.
Speaker 1: He said, man, glasses, those heads are junk. Like what
Speaker 1: you mean they junk? He's like, man, their heads made
Speaker 1: in China. I'm like, damn, airflow heads fucking made in China.
Speaker 1: This is fucking crazy. He's like, all the airflow heads
Speaker 1: are made in China. Right, he said. The difference is
Speaker 1: they would get the cast done in China and then
Speaker 1: they would ship them here and then do the actual
Speaker 1: detailed labor to get the quality that we expect from
Speaker 1: airflow research. And I heard the other day in like
Speaker 1: the person's market, right in the bag market for women's purses,
Speaker 1: they're doing the same thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So right now, it's almost like the organic thing. You
Speaker 1: could say made in America. If you assemble it in America.
Speaker 1: That means the actual material could be cast in China
Speaker 1: or made in China, as long as you assemble part
Speaker 1: of it in America, a specific part of it in America.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 4: Beef yep.
Speaker 1: So it becomes legal terms versus what the actual term means.
Speaker 3: I think if you cut the beef in the United States,
Speaker 3: it can be USDA beef. The cow didn't have to
Speaker 3: be from here, not that it probably matters all that
Speaker 3: much where the hell cow's eating grass, but there are
Speaker 3: certain standards, yeah, as to the grass and the environment
Speaker 3: and all the rest, and it matters for us rancher.
Speaker 1: So it's like all of this stuff that I'm figuring
Speaker 1: out is now making Trump look a lot less crazy
Speaker 1: to me. Like, imagine being on the other end of
Speaker 1: that right, and taking advantage of everything. You know, like
Speaker 1: and you have enough information to take advantage of it.
Speaker 1: But you're like, man, I'm telling you, y'all think this
Speaker 1: is cool, but look at this. This is bullshit. This
Speaker 1: is this, this is that, And that's been his thing.
Speaker 1: I remember the first debate he had with Hillary Clinton,
Speaker 1: a viral clip where he was saying, that's.
Speaker 3: Somebody accused him of like paying off politicians or something
Speaker 3: when he was in you know, developing buildings or whatever.
Speaker 3: And he says, yeah, because otherwise nothing could ever get done.
Speaker 3: He's like, you have to do that, otherwise you're never
Speaker 3: going to get a permit. I had to contribute to
Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign. That's why she came to my
Speaker 3: kid's wedding. Something along those lines. And it's that's that's
Speaker 3: been his kind of mo o and that is very true,
Speaker 3: and I think a lot of the issues now are
Speaker 3: The name of this book that I read last year
Speaker 3: was a great book. Guilder's latest book called Life After Capitalism.
Speaker 3: We are in a post like people like to people
Speaker 3: I think think getting money means capitalism. We are in
Speaker 3: a very post capitalist global economy. The regulations are so
Speaker 3: great on so many levels, not only like what you
Speaker 3: can and can't do, but financially how you can and
Speaker 3: can borrow international trade tariff deals where you have to
Speaker 3: do certain things certain way all the time. It's there's
Speaker 3: not a robust free market where you can just have
Speaker 3: the drive, have the idea, raise some money and go.
Speaker 3: It's not. That's not the world we live in right now.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, that shit just blowing me away, Like some shit
Speaker 1: could be made in China. It's cast in China, but
Speaker 1: because they'll work on it here, they could say this
Speaker 1: is made in America.
Speaker 4: Mhm.
Speaker 1: Or like I was telling King about organic, like organic
Speaker 1: is more of a legal term than actually what you
Speaker 1: would think that means. It goes back to that same
Speaker 1: letter in spirit of the law, like the spirit of
Speaker 1: organic what makes you think is grown naturally? But that
Speaker 1: may not be the letter of what organic means or
Speaker 1: USDA means, or made in America means.
Speaker 4: Not very true, That's all I was just reading just
Speaker 4: now where USDA got a certification program that they do
Speaker 4: with other countries for organic fruits and vegetables. It's got
Speaker 4: to meet their certain requirements. In other companies in USD
Speaker 4: would live them say it's made in US.
Speaker 3: Oh gotcha?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And I.
Speaker 3: Organic?
Speaker 4: Is there's some.
Speaker 3: Slippery language I think in all the organic laws. To
Speaker 3: a guy talk about that, who's one of the big
Speaker 3: grower is it one of the heads of the big
Speaker 3: grower associates, like you know, they have co ops in
Speaker 3: the Central Valley in California, and saying like some of
Speaker 3: you organic, you might like there's a period of time
Speaker 3: like any pesticide made before or after whatever can't be organic.
Speaker 3: So people use these old archaic ways to kill bugs
Speaker 3: that are actually like less healthy than some of the
Speaker 3: modern pesticides because you know, to a loophole in this
Speaker 3: organic certification process, people still don't want bugs.
Speaker 1: So how could polit seems to be so good that
Speaker 1: people miss something that seems so obvious to me? Right, Pete,
Speaker 1: I'm probably the most racist person you know, top of ten,
Speaker 1: I gotta be up there. I'm hello racist, But how
Speaker 1: can I see the obviousness of what the fuck this
Speaker 1: motherfuck or people talking about in general? Like how can
Speaker 1: I it be that obvious to me but to everybody
Speaker 1: else who's supposed to be less races or not into politics,
Speaker 1: Like I don't get that shit. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I don't understand how. I'm like,
Speaker 1: it looks pretty obvious to me. Is it possible? It
Speaker 1: is different, But you would think that what's happening makes sense.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, well you need to bring productivity back
Speaker 1: to America. Yeah, it may not look like it looked
Speaker 1: in the sixties technology, right, but you still have more
Speaker 1: jobs here that would help more people here so they
Speaker 1: could have more money here.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And look, anytime something bad has happened, even small bad,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of protected from ever happening again, you know.
Speaker 3: And like one thing I've noticed it it's harder to
Speaker 3: afford a house. Will create some sort of federal program
Speaker 3: where you can put three percent down at whatever rate,
Speaker 3: and that drives up the price of the house because
Speaker 3: you don't have to have very much money down to
Speaker 3: get the house, so you're making less of money. The
Speaker 3: house is more expensive. So you're paying off the house
Speaker 3: for yees thirty years, and you have a raiser with
Speaker 3: you know, cost of living margin for thirty years, and
Speaker 3: you're dependent now on your stock portfolio to support you
Speaker 3: for the rest of your life. And you're just transit.
Speaker 3: People are just walking through like a turnstile at a
Speaker 3: department store going from mortgage to reverse mortgage, because when
Speaker 3: it's talking to you to retire, you got to take
Speaker 3: all the money out of that house, reverse mortgage it out,
Speaker 3: and live off your four o one k because the
Speaker 3: stocks in it all went up seven percent over the
Speaker 3: course of the previous two decades because they cut costs
Speaker 3: to increase you know, their bottom line margins and drive
Speaker 3: up the price of stock. So that that's most Americans,
Speaker 3: like the high part of the Bell curve is mortgage
Speaker 3: four oh one k extremely dependent on the you know,
Speaker 3: basically the index aggregate performances of Wall Street and huge companies.
Speaker 3: And that's true with like especially like government employees with
Speaker 3: huge pensions. They're very buoyed to the market. And that's
Speaker 3: a lot of like, like I know, Black Rock has
Speaker 3: trillions of dollars, like trillions and trillions of dollars in
Speaker 3: their of their portfolio of assets in management that are
Speaker 3: government employee pension funds. So it's just borrow money now,
Speaker 3: drive the prices of equities, tie your retirement and your
Speaker 3: net worth into these equities, deal with it later, and
Speaker 3: you know, will inflate the dollar, will increase the debt
Speaker 3: will do all these various things, will offshore jobs, you'll
Speaker 3: make relatively less money, things will cost relatively more, and
Speaker 3: in the back end you'll be fine and your kids
Speaker 3: will have your same problem a little worse.
Speaker 4: But go on, hey, Pete, how does that affect the
Speaker 4: poor people that's not buying into pensions at work and
Speaker 4: stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Not well, I mean, I guess the argue would say,
Speaker 3: like if you were really poor and didn't have a
Speaker 3: job to pay you very much money before, you probably
Speaker 3: wouldn't have a job pay you much money now. Not
Speaker 3: a huge change, but for there is a significant check
Speaker 3: of people who went from being an auto workers' union
Speaker 3: to being a part time waiter now at two diners
Speaker 3: or something like that. You know, and that's a that
Speaker 3: is a real number. That is a lot of people,
Speaker 3: and that is a beating of a lifestyle change.
Speaker 4: How do you reverse that?
Speaker 3: That's kind of like what they're trying to do now.
Speaker 3: I mean, you can try to ensure more production, I think,
Speaker 3: I mean, we even outsourced a lot of production of
Speaker 3: military hardware, which that's governing money. There's no reason that
Speaker 3: should be cent overseas. No, we have contracts with India
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. I mean, just from a you know,
Speaker 3: civil responsibility standpoint, if you're gonna take tax dollars to
Speaker 3: manufacture thing, you should at least manufactured here. Fuck, it
Speaker 3: seemed like a real.
Speaker 1: High bar, and that's what's driving me crazy. Like I'm okay,
Speaker 1: So what I'm starting to understand is there's my belief
Speaker 1: is so I am I genuinely feel not could be
Speaker 1: Obviously I need to do more research. I'm I'm a socialist, right, yes,
Speaker 1: but I also believe in humans doing right by humans.
Speaker 1: Like I think if the government is forced to do
Speaker 1: right by humans, then that comes a communist society. Does
Speaker 1: that makes sense? Is that is that? I'm sure it's
Speaker 1: more difference, but like people like Hershey huh said, it's
Speaker 1: probably less difference. Okay, but like people like Milton Hershey right,
Speaker 1: where like you have a good idea, you create town, right,
Speaker 1: you you bring people in, you take care of people future,
Speaker 1: and you're wealthy and developing human life, you know, human lives,
Speaker 1: human experience, cultivating human experiences, not just your customer, but
Speaker 1: even the people that for you, right, which is why
Speaker 1: we have Hershey's right. This is this great chocolate company
Speaker 1: and you know not that I but really the greatest
Speaker 1: part of this legacy to me, it's Hershey, Pennsylvania, right
Speaker 1: where you created a town where you you you got
Speaker 1: human beings into careers, You built schools, You built an
Speaker 1: opportunity for other you men who are not in your
Speaker 1: position or you know, to be able to take care
Speaker 1: of their families. That's to me like what wealthy means, right,
Speaker 1: it's a well of things you build in humans. So
Speaker 1: it's weird when like people keep trying to get me
Speaker 1: to adjust my mind state of like this personal independence, like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, you just live aspirationally. You know, the way
Speaker 1: to help black people is to show them you could
Speaker 1: do it and then they'll figure out they could do it.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's dumb as fuck, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I'm from a gang. Bro Like, y'all
Speaker 1: know I'm from a gang. Everybody listens, No siblings knows
Speaker 1: that from a gang. But yeah, right, So I remember
Speaker 1: talking to my homies and looking at their opportunities and
Speaker 1: how they saw the world. My homeboy, Moto rest Is Soul,
Speaker 1: dropped out in like fifth or sixth grade. His mom,
Speaker 1: you know, rest in Peaces. Soone his mom was on
Speaker 1: you know, she got she caught the worst of the
Speaker 1: crack erar right, Pops, I don't know, because Pops, I
Speaker 1: never met him. You know, I've been knowing Moto since
Speaker 1: he was probably seven or eight, right, But I just
Speaker 1: looked at our experiences. Right, my mother and father broke up.
Speaker 1: But my mother, my dad, and my stepmom, you feel me,
Speaker 1: they had a solid home. Neither one of them, you know,
Speaker 1: fell victim to the crack air. My mother, you know,
Speaker 1: had her own home and content. She didn't fall victim
Speaker 1: to the crack air. So I look at my foundation
Speaker 1: and things to keep me going, staying in school, and
Speaker 1: obviously my mom goes to the FEDS right when I'm
Speaker 1: a teenager. My father got a lot of kids. He's
Speaker 1: trying to take care of the house, you know. And
Speaker 1: it was just a small moment of time that I
Speaker 1: was able to slip off end of selling drugs, which
Speaker 1: kind of created my level of street life. And I
Speaker 1: look at his life and realized to myself, like, yo,
Speaker 1: he never had a chance. So I don't care how
Speaker 1: successful I How could I help him? Aspirationally, Like if
Speaker 1: I can't reach out, like shout out to my homeboy Snoopy,
Speaker 1: my homeway Junior Junior right now, got about ten years
Speaker 1: in prison, one of my closest homeboys. He my young homeboy,
Speaker 1: and we're talking. We're texting every day.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: They have a tablet in there. He's using a tablet
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, what you're gonna do when you
Speaker 1: come home? He's like, man, I don't know. Now. Mayu
Speaker 1: Junior is working on forty. He not quite forty, but
Speaker 1: he's working on forty. To me, that's the Milton Hershey thing,
Speaker 1: like what drives me to get better at what we do?
Speaker 1: Right king in his music industry and trying to redefind
Speaker 1: it is the first time my homeboy. Look, Jay came on.
Speaker 1: Jerome came on from prison after doing fifteen years. He's
Speaker 1: back in prison now. But Jerome aka scaff Right Scavenger,
Speaker 1: Look Jay, he comes home and he needs a career.
Speaker 1: He doesn't need a job. He needs a career to
Speaker 1: keep him busy, to keep him into things. Because again
Speaker 1: he was raised by his grandparents. You know, it's a
Speaker 1: separation of time. It's harder for grandparents to stay on kids,
Speaker 1: like it's hard for my mom and dad had to
Speaker 1: stay on their grandkids. You know, that's why you know
Speaker 1: my sister Edon is so important that she got to
Speaker 1: stay on them. So nothing I did aspirationally helps scab
Speaker 1: or look, you know, drown. Nothing I can do aspirationally
Speaker 1: is going to help Moto rest is soul. Nothing. In
Speaker 1: real time, it didn't matter how Sobro was. It didn't
Speaker 1: matter if I was making money, It didn't matter none
Speaker 1: of that stuff, because his problems was his problems. The
Speaker 1: only thing that could have helped him if I had
Speaker 1: a fucking factory and they could say, hey man, you
Speaker 1: know at this time, hey Moto, I can give you
Speaker 1: sixty thousand dollars a year at a time in watch,
Speaker 1: you can get the house and watch for ninety thousand dollars. Right,
Speaker 1: that's a seven hundred dollars mortgage payment at that time. Right,
Speaker 1: he could have had five thousand dollars a month before taxes,
Speaker 1: maybe forty one hundred or thirty nine hundred at of
Speaker 1: the taxes, we could have bought a house and moved
Speaker 1: on with his life. Same thing for little Jay Junior
Speaker 1: right now, Junior, who's like I said, he's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm gonna do, right, because he dedicated
Speaker 1: so much much time. And that is what being a
Speaker 1: great human is all about. It's not about me personally
Speaker 1: going out making a bunch of money that I don't need.
Speaker 1: It means how you take care of other humans. Same
Speaker 1: conversation that we've had often, right, being humane is caring
Speaker 1: for other humans. And these are three certain homies. They
Speaker 1: all three different. Junior situation is different than Little J situation,
Speaker 1: lit J Jeronskaff his situation was different than Moto situation.
Speaker 1: But aspirational don't help shit nothing, And I gotta figure
Speaker 1: it out because he's probably three years in counting. Feel
Speaker 1: me like on what to do. People can't understand why
Speaker 1: you feel tasked by that. That's what hip hop or
Speaker 1: gangbang it really is. It's the burden of humans. That's
Speaker 1: what being a good human is. It's the burden of humans.
Speaker 1: So when I watch America or you know, it empowers
Speaker 1: the elite to say, hey, you know, make your money
Speaker 1: how you want. We want to open up a global economy,
Speaker 1: and you trade on you trade in people having to
Speaker 1: be good to who lives next door to them for
Speaker 1: their own personal aspiration of world conquests and world conquests
Speaker 1: and economics and they could just go to China and
Speaker 1: take advantage of some other people when you just outlawed
Speaker 1: the same thing in this country. It just seems counterproductive,
Speaker 1: if that, If that makes sense, forgive me for that.
Speaker 1: Hella not true.
Speaker 3: It's a past the buck kind of approach.
Speaker 1: Just passing the buck. Huh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't know. China's economy is not the
Speaker 3: most transparent, so I really don't know as much about
Speaker 3: it as i'd want to to make the assessments that
Speaker 3: I want to make. Like, I know, they have the
Speaker 3: weaker thing going on, and that's pretty brutal. Their entire
Speaker 3: manufacturing economy is not the weakers and they have pulled
Speaker 3: a lot of people out of I mean, that was
Speaker 3: a poor, poor, poor country. They were too poor to
Speaker 3: feed their people in the fifties, Like they lost eighty
Speaker 3: million people, Like they were poor. So they've they've had
Speaker 3: some growth trajectory, but still, I mean, like I think
Speaker 3: they're a little over twenty trillion as a GDP for
Speaker 3: their country. Their population is a little old, that's about
Speaker 3: one point what three or four trillion, So I think they're.
Speaker 1: Like I got they don't have a treating people here.
Speaker 3: Sorry, billion I'm sorry, trillions and billions in the field.
Speaker 1: Because because I got to stay up moment, you fucking mynds,
Speaker 1: you changed that.
Speaker 3: They had a lot of kids.
Speaker 1: If you think about all of those countries, uh, China, India,
Speaker 1: it's those are really poor or places, but a lot
Speaker 1: of them are lifting the country out of those type
Speaker 1: of devastations through industry. True, yet we sold our industry out, like,
Speaker 1: except the America is okay. So there's one part of America, right,
Speaker 1: the elite benefiting economically, and then the regular everyday American. Right,
Speaker 1: they're like just getting a cheaply made, cheaply priced product. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I was telling King, we made we made a
Speaker 1: deal for this merch piece that we were about to
Speaker 1: drop for the single, right for the single that's about
Speaker 1: to come out in a couple of weeks, and like
Speaker 1: my whole thing, Like I told King, Like, the original
Speaker 1: price of this jacket was like one hundred dollars, right,
Speaker 1: that was the price because I thought we was gonna
Speaker 1: be in a jacket forty fifty dollars, right, We end
Speaker 1: up probably be in a jacket a little less than
Speaker 1: forty dollars. So I'm like, we don't need to make
Speaker 1: more fifty dollars, so we're gonna pass the savings. You know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna pass the savings onto the customer. That's I
Speaker 1: believe in it. I didn't look at it like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well we might be in the jacket now instead of
Speaker 1: forty and fifty bugs. We might be in a jacket's
Speaker 1: thirty dollars, but now we're gonna make seventy dollars. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: we could let the price of the jacket now to
Speaker 1: seventy five or eighty five dollars.
Speaker 3: Sure, And typically, I mean usually that's how things work.
Speaker 3: I mean, like retail has what about a like a
Speaker 3: three x markup. It's kind of industry standard, but it's
Speaker 3: very competitive. So if you have something that's like if
Speaker 3: somebody's ties specific, like the glasses of Alone brand, you're
Speaker 3: not price competing against somebody else's glasses of Alone brand,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So it's a different consideration.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I know what you mean. Like one thing's interesting,
Speaker 3: like some you talk about like India and China and whatnot.
Speaker 3: Before a lot of this transition was we're gonna I
Speaker 3: think a lot of people believed it's fine, we'll just
Speaker 3: move into more of a of an information economy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we'll even be on service there, like a technology based economy.
Speaker 3: Remember I think it was Hillary Clinton kind of got
Speaker 3: a little razz a little bit. This might have been
Speaker 3: eight in the primary against Obama. I can't remember memories
Speaker 3: I could, But the whole learn to code thing, Yeah,
Speaker 3: we're gonna, yeah, we're gonna shut down coal plants and
Speaker 3: you'll lose all your jobs, but you'll learn the code.
Speaker 3: Which if you said to somebody who's forty five years
Speaker 3: old and we're gonna coal mine for twenty years, that's
Speaker 3: just unbelievable. But there was a surge in programmers and
Speaker 3: demand on shore in the United States, and they were
Speaker 3: paying a lot of money. And how do we respond
Speaker 3: to that by bringing in tens of thousands of H
Speaker 3: one B visas from India to come and bring that
Speaker 3: price right the fuck back down and take the jobs.
Speaker 1: But and then it's also weird, like you'll call a
Speaker 1: company bro and you'll ask to speak to an operator,
Speaker 1: and you could tell the it's somewhere cheap.
Speaker 3: But they always have American names and lie about it.
Speaker 3: That's that's really finny Otho. This is Gerald. But they'll
Speaker 3: have like their access. They'll say like the most like
Speaker 3: like America, not like l Pool. Your name is not Gerald,
Speaker 3: Yeah it's Danesh. Come on, you're on Dennis Danesh. I
Speaker 3: don't care. I just want to know.
Speaker 1: It's just so clear that this country is said, you
Speaker 1: know what's funny, shout out to my old g homies. Right. Look, again,
Speaker 1: I hear a lot of rumors about game mag and
Speaker 1: I always try to clear it that for people with
Speaker 1: everybody's being then asshole and they think they know even
Speaker 1: though I'm a gang member, I'm like a real gang member.
Speaker 1: I'm a real gang member that socialized with a lot
Speaker 1: of gang members to this day. For me again, so
Speaker 1: it's like I don't think people understand, like, you know,
Speaker 1: you can go eat breakfast with gang members, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. You play chess, you know, people build cars.
Speaker 1: Everybody's not just stealing pursons or murdering people. It's very
Speaker 1: much people that grew up in their community. And I
Speaker 1: just was thinking to myself, like, man, my homies had
Speaker 1: a great idea with the economy when it came to hustling.
Speaker 1: You bought your product right from one of your older
Speaker 1: homies and then you sold it right there. The dollar
Speaker 1: recycled in the seven two or three times before it left.
Speaker 1: That's why our economy was so great. And it didn't
Speaker 1: start to fall the power until people started going around
Speaker 1: the older homies trying to buy from somebody else to
Speaker 1: save some money, when they didn't realize this is what
Speaker 1: powers the economy. There was a time bro seventh Street
Speaker 1: crypt might have one hundred hundred and fifty people. That
Speaker 1: was a time that was thirty low riders. Like you
Speaker 1: know there's big sixties at that time didn't have thirty
Speaker 1: low riders. It's a thousand of the motherfuckers six old
Speaker 1: did not have thirty low riders. We had low riders.
Speaker 1: That's how great our economy did. That's why my respect
Speaker 1: from my older homie Pluck is so grand. He was
Speaker 1: actually a really great kind of president of the community.
Speaker 1: That don't mean nothing because he had homies that had
Speaker 1: as much power, but he did a better job of
Speaker 1: running it that way. And I realized why, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I could go get this gallon of shrine from this
Speaker 1: dude from Grave Street for seventy five hundred, and Pluck
Speaker 1: is gonna charge me eighty five hundred. But guess what,
Speaker 1: that extra thousand stay right on the seven. He gonna
Speaker 1: create other opportunities for other homies who not hustling. He'll
Speaker 1: put money on other homies books. It made sense. Why
Speaker 1: don't Americans get the same thought? Because it shit kills me?
Speaker 3: Because anymore, because because we'll buy anything. It would be
Speaker 3: the equivalent to if the consumers of the products from
Speaker 3: the seven just didn't give a shit, if shut stuff
Speaker 3: was water down and crappy and just bought it from
Speaker 3: the other side of croosis, just said, fuck it, five
Speaker 3: dollars cheaper over there it's shitty. Who cares. We'll just
Speaker 3: buy a shitty shit and lots of it.
Speaker 4: But where'd that mentality come from?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 4: Like would build that mentality, you know in the years
Speaker 4: where you're willing to buy you know, subpart ship from
Speaker 4: somewhere else.
Speaker 3: I think people, if something is so good and it's
Speaker 3: expensive and you can't afford it, that's like it internally troubling,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, that's a hard pill to swallow.
Speaker 3: Someone else has a thing it's really nice. I'd love
Speaker 3: to have that thing. I just can't get it.
Speaker 4: So you can buy the next best team.
Speaker 3: So you'd buy the second best thing. Yeah okay, and
Speaker 3: there's always going to be more people than they can
Speaker 3: afford the second best thing than the best thing. And
Speaker 3: then before you know what, the people who got the
Speaker 3: best thing or got the money for the best thing,
Speaker 3: you know something, And I think that's fine, now I
Speaker 3: got it. Let's get that. I'll save the money. And
Speaker 3: then the guy makes the nicest thing goes out of.
Speaker 4: Business because then the trend thing kicks in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, look at the American car. Look at how
Speaker 3: great the American sedan was in nineteen sixty five and
Speaker 3: how shitty the American sedan was in nineteen eighty five
Speaker 3: after the camera came and changed the market.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because when you go to Germany, bro,
Speaker 1: everybody has a bands because you can't like it. It's
Speaker 1: like a cheap car.
Speaker 3: You can't sell anything except German cars in Germany. I mean,
Speaker 3: you couldn't.
Speaker 1: Any American cars.
Speaker 3: You're right, Yeah, they've been talking about that. It's a
Speaker 3: triple digit tariff on US autobiles to Germany.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's why when you go to Japan, the only
Speaker 1: people who have American cars are low riders. They're paying
Speaker 1: the luxury tax to have it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or they're buying them really really cheap and redoing
Speaker 3: them so that the teriff doesn't matter, or they're buying I.
Speaker 1: Don't know, they they're buying it from the streets, so they.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as I said, it's different when it's private party
Speaker 3: than than yeah, business.
Speaker 1: But you don't see American cars in Japan. I didn't
Speaker 1: see American cars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Japan has a has a two hundred plus I
Speaker 3: think percent tariff on American cars very high.
Speaker 1: But like that's crazy, But so how do so is
Speaker 1: the freedom the prisoner at that point that we think
Speaker 1: is freedom in is? Like how does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Like like I could, like I want to ask my dad,
Speaker 1: like what it was like for him. My dad probably
Speaker 1: got his driver license in sixty five, maybe even sixty.
Speaker 1: He would have been fifteen and sixty two, so sixty
Speaker 1: three he was sixteen. I wonder how many import cars
Speaker 1: were on the road in nineteen sixty.
Speaker 3: Three, leadership. I don't even think compared to like luxury
Speaker 3: American sedans. I don't even think Mercedes were that nice
Speaker 3: at that time. It pretty much would have been just Rolls,
Speaker 3: Royce Bentley and then Ferrari and Porsche.
Speaker 1: But like now you don't. Even if you walk outside
Speaker 1: your house and you walk on your street and you count,
Speaker 1: you're going to count less domestic cars right far.
Speaker 4: Shit, the domestic cars are being built overseas with just
Speaker 4: American tag on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they put the windshield on here and call it
Speaker 3: an American car.
Speaker 4: You look at the engine parts and stuff they say
Speaker 4: made from always over there.
Speaker 3: Sure, and even a lot of the assembly is done
Speaker 3: in Mexico.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: They just cut on the doors here, but it's made
Speaker 1: in America because that's of America.
Speaker 4: A lot of these big countries now are from people
Speaker 4: in Japan and China that we think of American companies
Speaker 4: are no longer even American companies no more. Your parent
Speaker 4: companies is in Japan and other countries and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Hello Kentucky Fried Chicken.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just say owned by young brands out of Japan.
Speaker 4: You know, a lot of these places that people think
Speaker 4: of American tradition now hasn't been for years. Sure, so
Speaker 4: they're not trying to put the money back in America
Speaker 4: if you look at it, If you look at it
Speaker 4: that way, they're not worried about the American economy in
Speaker 4: that sense. Yeah, they're just using it so they don't
Speaker 4: care what they do. Just burn it up and they gone, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of stuff that could reasonably
Speaker 3: be Like it feels like a cell phone assembly. People
Speaker 3: don't want to sit there and you know, micro assemble
Speaker 3: circuit boards all damn day. Fine, we could sure shit
Speaker 3: make gorilla glass.
Speaker 4: You got a prisoner's peak that would do that with
Speaker 4: cell phones all day.
Speaker 3: You aren't allowed to have cell phones in prison, I thought.
Speaker 4: I mean, but no, they got you know, you could
Speaker 4: build things in prison. They got factories that you could
Speaker 4: build stuff in prison. Now security may be up, but
Speaker 4: you could build things. Prisoners is building funditure and stuff.
Speaker 4: Will they take all those programs out of the prisons
Speaker 4: then well, who else got a building? Now they send
Speaker 4: it out of the country. Cheap is cheap as the prisoner.
Speaker 4: You know, they take it from a cheap prisoner building
Speaker 4: it by saying it's in humane and all this crazy
Speaker 4: stuff they say in another kind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think in your opinion that if the
Speaker 3: cost benefit analysis are consideration, so to speak, for being
Speaker 3: in prison as an inmate, that the opportunity to acquire
Speaker 3: a marketable skill but having to actually do work while
Speaker 3: you're in there. Is that a good trade off in
Speaker 3: your or you think that it's a shitty trade off
Speaker 3: when you're in there, so trade off.
Speaker 4: They don't work to get a skill in prison, for sure, Okay,
Speaker 4: you know, the question is the opportunity once they get out.
Speaker 3: So who the fuck was advocating against that for all
Speaker 3: those years and saying it's inhumane to have them in
Speaker 3: there working. It's just a bunch of it's It's like,
Speaker 3: that's like a bunch of stupid, like fictitious do gooders
Speaker 3: who just want to like.
Speaker 4: Well it was ap. What it was was the benefit
Speaker 4: of working because they exactly like if you take those
Speaker 4: jobs from prisoners, people on the outside would get them.
Speaker 4: But it's still the neighborhoods they sent them out of
Speaker 4: the country.
Speaker 3: Gotcha, gotcha?
Speaker 1: Well. Also also they were saying that they were working
Speaker 1: for so cheap. It was like you're in jail, you
Speaker 1: feel me so like to me, like that made the
Speaker 1: most sense, right, It's like.
Speaker 3: You create internship around college.
Speaker 1: I thought it was about Hey, it was you know,
Speaker 1: I mean I saw I saw complaints on outside about
Speaker 1: the pay at that time. Yeah, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying now.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, those type of thing titious do gooders.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, listen, I'm saying think about it, though, King, Like,
Speaker 1: you learn a trade in jail, you're able to come
Speaker 1: out and get a career. Wouldn't that be kind of
Speaker 1: close to rehabilitation.
Speaker 3: I mean, what reality is if I wanted to go
Speaker 3: to a trade school and not get paid to do work,
Speaker 3: I would be paying.
Speaker 4: Then in Washington State, I was like one of the
Speaker 4: last part of rehabilitation where they let us go to
Speaker 4: school and everything, college and everything. And I was the
Speaker 4: last year where the citizens like, you're paying for their
Speaker 4: school and you're giving them pail grants, you're doing all
Speaker 4: that for them in prison. And that's where they cut
Speaker 4: the rehabilitation off.
Speaker 3: At gotcha, what year was that about?
Speaker 4: Oh Jesus gonna tell my age. Bout nineteen two thousand
Speaker 4: around there, ninety eight two thousand, your age. But that's
Speaker 4: about the time period where they started talking about not
Speaker 4: rehabilitation because they're wasting all this money. They're supposed to
Speaker 4: be punishment. It's supposed to be punishment, you know. So
Speaker 4: when he was getting jobs, it was getting the education
Speaker 4: and rehabilitation. When we came out. The studuma now was
Speaker 4: you're at felon. Yeah, so it didn't matter what you
Speaker 4: did inside prison. The chances of getting a good job
Speaker 4: when you got out was neil. It's different nowadays, but
Speaker 4: back in the days when the transition from rehabilitation to punishment,
Speaker 4: it didn't offer nobody a chance when they got out.
Speaker 1: Isn't that funny that it's harder now when there's no
Speaker 1: rich Like now they don't matter, but now they're not
Speaker 1: gonna teach you nothing, you know what I mean? People
Speaker 1: go to jail, like my homeboy going to jail for years,
Speaker 1: and like he's not going to have an opportunity to
Speaker 1: learn a livable ways trade where he can make a living.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's putiful, But we don't worry about that because
Speaker 4: we were about them sending people out of here to
Speaker 4: other prisons. That's what trists me out.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny, man, The thing that this country
Speaker 1: was established on, they figured out a way to turn
Speaker 1: it into what they were trying to not turn it
Speaker 1: into in the same instance, but they were able to
Speaker 1: turn it into it right here. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: With these sets of rules like the government, like your
Speaker 1: forefathers fought for this not to be a country like
Speaker 1: the country that they left, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: where it was hard to change the stars, where you
Speaker 1: had to be what you were. But now they're because
Speaker 1: the elite are at the top, they're ruling so hard
Speaker 1: and they want to just keep you know, their goal
Speaker 1: is to keep just financially destroying, getting money right, just going,
Speaker 1: going going. Now they're just they're trying to import people. Right.
Speaker 1: You gotta realize, real estate in America, like California is
Speaker 1: so bad. It's mainly because people coming into this country,
Speaker 1: like you're competing with different families, multiple families sometimes to
Speaker 1: get one house. So guess what, it makes it hard
Speaker 1: for you to change your stars because now everything becomes
Speaker 1: this ridiculous who will work for the cheapest and who
Speaker 1: will pay the most, right, So you know who's going
Speaker 1: to pay the cheapest, right, who's who don't mind getting
Speaker 1: paid the less the least, right, and then who will
Speaker 1: pay the most of this house? So they turned it
Speaker 1: into the actual country they were running away from when
Speaker 1: they came here in the first place. They're making it
Speaker 1: to where now is. That's why the middle class is
Speaker 1: being like obliviated, like it's over because obliterate, excuse me,
Speaker 1: is over because it's like you're what's like the broke
Speaker 1: and wealthy. That's what's happening.
Speaker 3: And that's yeah, and that's Europe, which is a I've
Speaker 3: referred to Europe as a bastion of mediocrity, maybe not
Speaker 3: on here, but many times. And there isn't a lot
Speaker 3: of vertical mobility. And again, disruptors come from the middle class.
Speaker 3: They have enough know how, enough understanding, enough resources, and
Speaker 3: they have the hunger. I mean, it's not always the
Speaker 3: rich guy's kid who redefines some industry.
Speaker 1: Rarely is it the rich guy's kid.
Speaker 3: It's it's not a guy who lives thirty minutes away.
Speaker 1: And it's tougher for a poor person because they don't
Speaker 1: believe they could do it. So it's when you it's
Speaker 1: so what happens is it's that that factory worker's kid
Speaker 1: who goes on to college, right, that that factory worker
Speaker 1: in fifties and sixties who sacrifice their own dreams to
Speaker 1: take care of their family, get their kid through college.
Speaker 1: That kid is the guy that's changed, that changed America.
Speaker 3: It's describes Steve Jobs, a guy stand's parents' house was
Speaker 3: a modest looking house in the Bay Area. It wasn't
Speaker 3: on the water, it was in the valley. And he
Speaker 3: started the company his parents' garage.
Speaker 4: So is so is he hating what his parents do
Speaker 4: looking down like his parents worked in that factory. Now
Speaker 4: he's looking down at that as like, I don't want
Speaker 4: to be like my parents working in the factory.
Speaker 1: That it is just a hunger to exceed.
Speaker 3: And I think there's also a lot of it is.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if it's always Apple's competing against Google,
Speaker 3: and these are hyper performers, like hyper achievers, so they're
Speaker 3: extremely competitive. They're really good at what they do. These
Speaker 3: aren't everyday people. There's why there's only a couple hundred
Speaker 3: of them. But I'm not positive if it's an obsession
Speaker 3: to be the best in competing against the other company
Speaker 3: and ramifications be damned, or if it's and it does
Speaker 3: look like this in a lot of ways. You get
Speaker 3: a lot of strategic corporate partnerships or whatever I've said. Now, California,
Speaker 3: in my life, I would define it as a barrier
Speaker 3: of entry. Economy. Yeah, a bunch of in a lot
Speaker 3: of money. It's not a lot of great ideas. I
Speaker 3: mean there's a handful of great ideas in one little spot.
Speaker 3: Other than that, there's not a ton of great ideas happening.
Speaker 3: It's just I made a bunch of money. I want
Speaker 3: to secure my assets from possible loss of value.
Speaker 4: So what was promised to people to leave to get
Speaker 4: them out the factory to go to school or something
Speaker 4: like that, Because we're talking about the industrial age being
Speaker 4: one of the greater times where people had the chance
Speaker 4: to get a job, get enough paid to buy a house,
Speaker 4: and make kids to college. So what stop people for
Speaker 4: one to do industry and go and shut them down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they close a lot of them, and then I
Speaker 3: think they STIGMATI.
Speaker 1: It too, I see me saying. So the wealthy person
Speaker 1: who started the industry right, realize they can get even
Speaker 1: wealthier if they outsourced the work based off of certain loans,
Speaker 1: certain things being brought down. Right. So before before America
Speaker 1: was incentivized to build here, Americans were incentivized to buy American,
Speaker 1: they were incentivized, it would have been hard to import things, right.
Speaker 1: That would have been a really different challenge probably thirty forties, fifties, sixties,
Speaker 1: That would have been a different type of task, right,
Speaker 1: versus so American, you know, even the wealthy American were
Speaker 1: incentivized to build here. It wasn't this concept of free
Speaker 1: pray that was so free. And when they opened it up.
Speaker 1: You go around, obviously you see places like China, you know,
Speaker 1: and again, this is why I kind of worry about
Speaker 1: being as wealthy as I'm about, like as we're about
Speaker 1: to get, right, is when you get wealthy, it seems
Speaker 1: like you start to pray on people. Like you either
Speaker 1: really poor and you pray on people, or you're really wealthy.
Speaker 1: I always say, poor people and wealthy people are exactly alike.
Speaker 1: They're not really different at all when you really get
Speaker 1: into it. But start to pray on people, so imagine
Speaker 1: you're going to kind of write like Pete just described
Speaker 1: when they just had this this this mass hunger, you know,
Speaker 1: deaf people dying of starvation, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And you could go over here and set up businesses
Speaker 1: where you can pay people like a recording guardist fractions
Speaker 1: on a cent for hours of work. Right, you could
Speaker 1: pay them fractions of a cent per hour to work
Speaker 1: on things because they're starving and the one barrier is
Speaker 1: shipping it here. The tax you would have to pay
Speaker 1: getting it here. Those are the barriers. They have already
Speaker 1: passed quality. They these people are not incentivized to become
Speaker 1: you know, great at building this stuff. They can't even
Speaker 1: you know, they don't make more money in China. It's
Speaker 1: not that type of program. They have a communist society,
Speaker 1: they don't. It's not incentivized by that. So they just
Speaker 1: build things to the minimum standard.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: But in the fifties and sixties, right, King, you could
Speaker 1: go to China and or Indian you could see these
Speaker 1: economies in Mexico. Mexico is a third world country, was
Speaker 1: to until win is it still one? Now it's passing.
Speaker 3: I would describe that as being still true now.
Speaker 1: Okay, So it's like you can go to places where
Speaker 1: people don't have a ton of opportunity and hire them
Speaker 1: ford try to. You can hire them, yeah, and imagine
Speaker 1: what you're gonna pay them. You could teach them, King
Speaker 1: and pay them a fraction of what you're gonna pay
Speaker 1: Americans for it. And in the in the tear flaw
Speaker 1: that you had to import, right, that shit was it
Speaker 1: was nothing void. You were almost incentivized to go out
Speaker 1: and take advantage of other people and then seem like
Speaker 1: they're blessing. It's like if somebody is thirsty, right, Like
Speaker 1: you go to somewhere where somebody's dying of thirst and
Speaker 1: you piss in their mouth, You still a hero.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's camping on a broken bitch.
Speaker 1: The hero. Dirty water in the desert probably tastes like Fiji.
Speaker 4: It was all the broke bits upfeat broken.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, you find some broken, abused, cast out bitch
Speaker 3: for it the work. You got a nicer place to
Speaker 3: stay now.
Speaker 1: But you could always catch yourself on the back publicly
Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, and people like only to a mind
Speaker 1: like mine, you look like a hero.
Speaker 4: But that was the leak that did that. What about
Speaker 4: the poor people that can't see that? How do you
Speaker 4: get them to see this?
Speaker 1: They didn't have anything to do with it. They just
Speaker 1: came to the factories one day and the factories were
Speaker 1: shut down.
Speaker 3: And part of it also like just to be like
Speaker 3: well rounded on the on the math you started getting
Speaker 3: and like you know how you see it now with
Speaker 3: like government pensions like like the California teachers, like cowpers
Speaker 3: pension stuff and the way that that's straining the budget.
Speaker 3: So you get a pension contract, let's say it's ten years,
Speaker 3: and then it contracts up, so the union has to
Speaker 3: show up for the employees and they got to raise
Speaker 3: you know, the shit, or we're gonna strike or whatever else. Well,
Speaker 3: it becomes a lot easier to play kick the can
Speaker 3: down the road by saying we're gonna give you a
Speaker 3: three percent raise, but we're gonna increase your pension benefits
Speaker 3: by whatever, or your healthcare benefits in retirement by whatever.
Speaker 3: So it's gonna be expensive later but cheaper now, but
Speaker 3: we're gonna give you these these benefits. Well, when later
Speaker 3: shows up, you have this ballooning of your cost of
Speaker 3: labor because some of it's not even active labor by
Speaker 3: that point in time. So now it's not like the government.
Speaker 3: The government can borrow money differently, it can prove it's
Speaker 3: a whole different party for the public sector. But a
Speaker 3: lot of that does happen. I mean, like I remember before,
Speaker 3: I remember they had a when they did the GM bailout.
Speaker 3: I think the real cost for GM per line worker
Speaker 3: was something like ninety dollars an hour. Now they weren't
Speaker 3: seeing the ninety dollars, but the cost their labor budget
Speaker 3: divided by line workers actually working employed at the time
Speaker 3: was ninety dollars an hour. That's an awful lot for
Speaker 3: Schetty Cruz.
Speaker 4: What was they actually seeing when they wasn't seeing the ninety.
Speaker 3: I don't know, depend on their contract to go back
Speaker 3: and do the math. But I mean, you figure you're
Speaker 3: paying in your salary, your assurance and your pension contributions,
Speaker 3: and then some of that also is you have to
Speaker 3: keep up payments for retirees and they're you know, what's
Speaker 3: due to them. So yeah, it was like we got
Speaker 3: very expensive for some of these companies. So that's that's
Speaker 3: also part of it.
Speaker 1: You know, shit just is irritating me. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: somewhere along the line the American government. So I have
Speaker 1: to find somebody that's in the politics and the history
Speaker 1: of politics. I probably know the right person, but I
Speaker 1: don't think they're up on business, but I know who
Speaker 1: to ask. So America either had to start over taxing
Speaker 1: people right in this country, like Peter saying, where certain
Speaker 1: things will happen in the fifties and sixties. So I
Speaker 1: don't know what happened first. Did the American government starts saying, okay,
Speaker 1: we need to start getting more money out of you,
Speaker 1: or did they realize it made more sense to go
Speaker 1: out of the country and advantage the cheap labor or
Speaker 1: did they happen somewhere at the same time simultaneously. What
Speaker 1: do you mean then, what was the true motivation? We
Speaker 1: have to figure that out.
Speaker 3: Well, what's the question? The questioner?
Speaker 1: So like government, Like, let's say you own a GM factory,
Speaker 1: your General Motors. You have a GM factory in Detroit
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifties. What happens first is the American government saying, hey,
Speaker 1: you know what, we need more money out of UGM
Speaker 1: for this factory, or is it, hey, you know what,
Speaker 1: we've been to China. There's a greater opportunity to make money.
Speaker 1: What happened first?
Speaker 3: What happened was like that industry taxes really have come
Speaker 3: down since Kennedy. I mean they've they've in general, there
Speaker 3: have been you know, ebbs and flows, but in general
Speaker 3: they've come down a lot, as far as the minutia
Speaker 3: of exemptions and right off and whatever else. But in
Speaker 3: general they've come down. But the total revenue of the
Speaker 3: government has gone up because the economy has grown. So
Speaker 3: a million times five is better than one hundred thousand
Speaker 3: times ten. But they had again because we don't tear
Speaker 3: iff like other countries. So you get not just like
Speaker 3: what I was saying with there's a lot of unions
Speaker 3: out there, you know, so that and that does manipulate
Speaker 3: the job market. And that has been like the parasite
Speaker 3: that killed the host in a lot of cases. It's
Speaker 3: not a fake thing that happened. That started to those
Speaker 3: chickens streed to come home to roost right around the
Speaker 3: same time that the Chinese, that the Japanese automobile became
Speaker 3: introduced to the marketplace. And you can't have a seismic
Speaker 3: reassessment of consumer retail price expectation at the same time
Speaker 3: that you're going to have to deal with a seismic
Speaker 3: reconsideration of labor costs upward first downward. That's that is suicide.
Speaker 4: So you're saying like that, like the unions and stuff
Speaker 4: helped make it easier for GM or somebody like that
Speaker 4: to say well we'll go out the country.
Speaker 3: Then hey, I would say made it easier, they made
Speaker 3: it necessary. Oh okay, I mean it was kind of
Speaker 3: like your only choice. It was like, well, we're not
Speaker 3: going to continue to sell our cars at thirty five
Speaker 3: K in nineteen eighty two, whatever the hell the price
Speaker 3: would have been to have the same quality of car
Speaker 3: when the camera's coming in and then Honda Accord is
Speaker 3: coming in or whatever the hell, and they're selling them
Speaker 3: at eight grand. There's probably was eighteen to eight reever
Speaker 3: the hell the number one. We're gonna have to drive
Speaker 3: the price of our Sedana way down. And I don't
Speaker 3: think there's really enough corners to cut.
Speaker 1: And just the American people screw themselves.
Speaker 3: In some ways. Yeah, I mean, is it better if
Speaker 3: you're a family of four to have one really nice
Speaker 3: Chevy and Paula or two Honda Accords.
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