WEBVTT - Agatha All Along Finale: Episodes 8 and 9

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<v Speaker 1>Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for episodes eight and nine,

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<v Speaker 1>the double finale of Agatha All Along on the Disney

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<v Speaker 1>Plus Television network. Hello, I've Jason Gittepcio and on Wedesday Night,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome back to Extra Revision, the podcast where we

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<v Speaker 1>dive you to your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture.

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<v Speaker 1>We're coming to you from My Heart podcast, where we're

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<v Speaker 1>bringing you three episodes a week every Tuesday Thursday, with

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<v Speaker 1>an extra episode on Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 2>In today's episode, Oh, It's a marvel Day, a marvelous

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<v Speaker 2>day for Marvel News. Previously on we will be talking

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<v Speaker 2>about that Marvel Studios look ahead preview which was honestly

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a surprise drop that lots of fun

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<v Speaker 2>things to talk about. And in the airlock, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>we will be going down the Witches Road for the

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<v Speaker 2>final time to talk about Agatha All Along episodes eight

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<v Speaker 2>and nine.

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<v Speaker 1>First up, News, and let's talk about that look ahead

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<v Speaker 1>that was attached to the top of the Agatha finale

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<v Speaker 1>and has a lot of really fun stuff in it,

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<v Speaker 1>starting with little Deadpool and Wolverine drop in which Marvel says, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>remember us, remember when you said we couldn't do hit

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<v Speaker 1>movies anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember when we made a billion.

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<v Speaker 1>Super You're fatigued? Guess what we're back?

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<v Speaker 2>And this is like guaranteed it's gonna be hitting Disney

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<v Speaker 2>Plus on November twelfth. Expect to hear all kinds of wild,

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<v Speaker 2>hyperbolic numbers coming out from what Disney says this will

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<v Speaker 2>be watched. But I will say, as somebody who has

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<v Speaker 2>a ten year old nephew, this.

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<v Speaker 3>Will be watched lot this holiday period.

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<v Speaker 2>You every ten, eleven, twelve year old whose parents wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>take them to see how the cinema, they are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be watching this so many times. You are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be hearing so much Deadpool and Wolverine Law in

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<v Speaker 2>your house during this holiday period. So if you listen

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<v Speaker 2>to this podcast, you can go back listen to some

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<v Speaker 2>episodes and sound like an expert when you go for

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<v Speaker 2>a family dinner and everyone's.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, who's lady Deadpool? And we will be able to

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<v Speaker 3>tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>Next up coming out December twenty second is the third

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<v Speaker 1>season of Marvel's animated What If series, after what I

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<v Speaker 1>think was a second season that some felt was a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of a step down from a foot down

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<v Speaker 1>looks fun, looks fun. Interested, It is certainly interested. Next up,

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<v Speaker 1>Your friendly Neighborhood Spider Man from Marvel Animation January. Looks

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<v Speaker 1>really fun. We have some your punk action, you have

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<v Speaker 1>some it looks really.

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<v Speaker 3>Just looks so good.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got some of the crew, Yeah, Jeff Treumael from

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Treumael from.

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<v Speaker 3>Craig of the Creek on this.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm sure it's going to be a really fun view,

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<v Speaker 2>very fun, kind of rotoscope ish.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like Spider versus s.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very like a Spider Man and his amazing friends

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<v Speaker 1>callback to that kind of style. Hannah Barbara ish, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Looks like he's going to have a crew and a team,

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<v Speaker 2>which we always love to see. I'm excited for this

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<v Speaker 2>great start to the new year. We're getting that early

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<v Speaker 2>January twenty fifth.

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<v Speaker 1>Next up Marvel Television's Darrell Will Board Again marched Forth

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five, the highly anticipated adaptation question Mark of

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<v Speaker 1>the famous Frank Miller David MASSUCHELLI run on Daredevil and

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<v Speaker 1>not much as say other than it looks. It actually

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<v Speaker 1>looks really really beautif.

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<v Speaker 3>For beautifully shot.

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<v Speaker 2>Looks like whatever they decided to do to add because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they had to reshoot and everything.

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<v Speaker 3>It looks like it was worth while.

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<v Speaker 1>Next up, Rary Williams enters Marvel's television universe June twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four to twenty twenty five. She's flipping over cars, she's

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<v Speaker 1>flying around, she's having a fantastic time in her homemade

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<v Speaker 1>power armor.

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<v Speaker 2>And she's talking to the Hood, who we get to

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<v Speaker 2>see for the first time.

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<v Speaker 3>Anthony Ramos.

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<v Speaker 2>Looks like it's gonna be a very fun kind of

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<v Speaker 2>magic versus science story.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm excited to see that. Action looks great. Nice new

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<v Speaker 3>suit here looks great.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very excited to bring on the Hood to enter

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<v Speaker 1>the MC You not only that, but I do wonder

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<v Speaker 1>if any of the armor war stuff is going to

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<v Speaker 1>get put into here.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like it has to write.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like this has to seed armas at least

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<v Speaker 2>if the movie is still happening.

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<v Speaker 3>Fingers crossed.

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<v Speaker 1>If next up, Eyes of Wakanda August sixth, twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 1>looks I mean, it looks great. I'm very excited. Marble

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<v Speaker 1>animation different.

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<v Speaker 2>Animation style than what If and what we're about to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about that's coming up, So I'm interested in that excited.

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<v Speaker 3>Bran Coogler he rarely misses. So let's see it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be Summer of Wakonda apparently August six five.

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<v Speaker 1>Next up, Halloween twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't wait for it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Marvel Zombies from Marvel Animals. Folks. Take them out

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<v Speaker 1>of the what if, give them their own little thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Who doesn't love zombies?

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Little spooky kids are gonna love Here come the Zombies. Halloween,

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<v Speaker 1>October twenty twenty fifth. Then finally December twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Who for hollyw It's everybody's favorite struggling actor and one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred class strength superhero filled with strange energy. It's Simon

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<v Speaker 1>Williams wonder Man original live action series Boys to launch

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<v Speaker 1>the career of everybody's favorite actor, Avenger Simon Williams. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's a appears to be a pretty wonderful cameo in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it looks like maybe even a main role for Trevor,

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<v Speaker 2>for Trevor of from Iron Man fame.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody's a favorite actor, come terrorist. He wasn't really a terrorist,

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<v Speaker 1>he was just pretending terrorist. But still I love having

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<v Speaker 1>Trevor around. And yeah, I have to say this looked

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<v Speaker 1>fun from what we saw.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks fun, and I love the aspect that Simon

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<v Speaker 2>Williams is reading for wonder Man. Yes, that's the level

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<v Speaker 2>of meta that this series needs to be. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think with Trevor in that, I think it's gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>like she Hulk vibes comedy vibe. So yes, I have

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<v Speaker 2>to say I thought that this was a really really

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<v Speaker 2>strong little tease from Marvel.

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<v Speaker 3>Do I worry?

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<v Speaker 2>I worry a little bit that they're trying to they're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna overload twenty twenty five, which was a problem they

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<v Speaker 2>had in the past. Maybe, but you know what, these

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<v Speaker 2>are TV projects, that's right, and I think there's a

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<v Speaker 2>mixture for them to be enjoyed.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a mixed animation, mix of animation and live action,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's not like we're throwing everything into TV, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>live action TV. And so I should also share your concern,

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that certainly appears like the current Marvel

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<v Speaker 1>strategy is more selective, and these all seem like fine

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<v Speaker 1>selections to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it looks good.

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<v Speaker 1>Next up, we're stepping out of the airlock to talk

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<v Speaker 1>a season finale a Magatha along. Yeah, I Guessa all

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<v Speaker 1>along Episode eight, follow Me My Friend to Glory to

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<v Speaker 1>the end. We open on Alice. She did she's dead

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<v Speaker 1>on the floor. A couple couple trials back. You remember

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<v Speaker 1>that trial and the scary Slasher cabin. While she's there,

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<v Speaker 1>she's dead, she repeated. She feels a cold hand with

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<v Speaker 1>long black it is sexy cress her face. It's death.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Rio. She's saying, you got to come with me,

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<v Speaker 1>because guess what, you're dead looking down there.

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<v Speaker 3>That's your body.

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<v Speaker 1>Alice is like, what, I just lifted the curse and

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna get on with my life and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have more time, Like this is it? I'm done?

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<v Speaker 1>And she's like yeah, it's like you're a protection witch,

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<v Speaker 1>right and you protected and then you died, So let's

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<v Speaker 1>get out of here. By they leave, we pick up

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<v Speaker 1>from the previous episode. Right after Lily the tower and

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<v Speaker 1>sacrifices herself. Jen is pounding on the door trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get Lily to come out. Already out of the road,

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<v Speaker 1>Agatha is just running, running, running, running. She runs into Rio,

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<v Speaker 1>and let me tell you, Rio is having a fucking

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<v Speaker 1>great day. She's stacked.

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<v Speaker 3>Death is just that's when it's on the road.

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<v Speaker 1>Today day. We got Alice, a little while back, we

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<v Speaker 1>got Lilia, we got the Salem seven, all in one

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<v Speaker 1>big bunch. That's eight. And now she's just she's just delighted.

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<v Speaker 1>She understands now Death does that. Agatha has been hiding

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<v Speaker 1>Billy from her, feels protective about Billy because of the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing with Nick and her son. Will get we

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<v Speaker 1>will get more explanation to that, but we know that

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<v Speaker 1>by now, uh, he should be dead, Death says, and

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<v Speaker 1>Death finds that really terrible, Like, you can't cheat Death,

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<v Speaker 1>can't teach cheat me. That's not the natural order of things.

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<v Speaker 1>Agatha says, you know, she's very again, very protective of him,

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<v Speaker 1>and Rio says, listen, you've getting preferential treatment for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time. You've been cheating death yourself, Agatha. True, and

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<v Speaker 1>we need that to come to an end. I know

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<v Speaker 1>why you tried to trick me, because of your feelings

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<v Speaker 1>about Nick and all of that, and that makes Agatha

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<v Speaker 1>really upset. We go back to Billy and Jen and

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<v Speaker 1>they're talking about Lily's sacrifice and Jen is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>mind blown that, uh, you know, Rio is Death and

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, where is Agatha. She's out arguing with death.

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<v Speaker 1>They have this long they have this long history of

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<v Speaker 1>this long relationship which we will find more about in

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<v Speaker 1>the following episode. Not only is Billy an abomination, Rio says,

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<v Speaker 1>but the thing he wants is going to like double

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<v Speaker 1>the abomination because and he can do it. He's done

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<v Speaker 1>it himself. He can do it for his brain because

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<v Speaker 1>Tommy shouldn't exist also, and then he's going to steal

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<v Speaker 1>a life and come back and that's ridiculous. So Rio says, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>here's what's going to happen. Billy already stole a life.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't let him steal one for Tommy. So we

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<v Speaker 1>have to figure something out. I was like, well, why

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<v Speaker 1>don't you just get your big scythe out and.

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<v Speaker 3>Reap Billy be reph not just be the reaper and

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<v Speaker 3>do it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then she's like, oh, you can't, you can't. And

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<v Speaker 1>we figure out that, uh, you know, every time Billy dies,

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<v Speaker 1>he's just gonna reincarnate, and that's just going to continue

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<v Speaker 1>to cheat death. Further, Rio says, what she needs in

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<v Speaker 1>order to really get that soul is Billy needs to

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<v Speaker 1>surrender himself to death and that will break the cycle.

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<v Speaker 1>And Aga is like, Okay, if I do that, will

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<v Speaker 1>you stop stalking me? And because the vibe you get

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<v Speaker 1>is that while there is tremendous passion between these two,

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<v Speaker 1>it's also like very unhealthy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they definitely did have a relationship at one point,

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<v Speaker 2>but it has not been It's consential on both sides

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<v Speaker 2>for a long time, like death is obsessed.

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<v Speaker 1>It's doctors now, yes, And so they make that deal

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<v Speaker 1>Billy's surrendering. Agatha will trick him into surrendering somehow, and

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<v Speaker 1>in exchange, Rio will leave Agatha alone for the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of her life until she dies. And even when she dies.

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<v Speaker 3>She won't she doesn't want.

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<v Speaker 1>To see her, she won't show her face. Jen and

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<v Speaker 1>Billy walk and talk about Rio and Agatha, and Agatha

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<v Speaker 1>overhears them and then says scolds them basically, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to continue the journey. There's one more trial left.

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<v Speaker 1>Problem is it's earth magic and they're Greenwitch is death

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<v Speaker 1>and she's gone. Now can Jen handle it? Agathus is

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<v Speaker 1>like really actually mean to Jen, is like, why you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe that you're one of the last ones

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<v Speaker 1>left and who would have thought? Like you're kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the most powerless against us, you know, the most powerless

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<v Speaker 1>of us currently in the coven. And then she trips

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<v Speaker 1>over a pair of shoes and they realize that they've

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<v Speaker 1>come back to where they started. These are the shoes

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<v Speaker 1>they took off when they walk the road. The road

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<v Speaker 1>is a circle. So where's the last trial? No one knows. Agatha,

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<v Speaker 1>who has been saying that she's been on the road

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<v Speaker 1>and is the only one to walk the enemy, clearly

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<v Speaker 1>has never been here before because.

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<v Speaker 3>She has never been it. She's like, what is going on?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Jen is very very sad, which is a natural

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<v Speaker 1>response at seeing their dead friends now empty footwear, and

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<v Speaker 1>Agatha's like, Okay, fuck it, let's just go around again.

0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Jenn's like, no fucking way, I'm not going around.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, and Billy's like, fuck this. We took the shoes

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<v Speaker 3>off because.

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<v Speaker 2>We respected the road, so I'm putting my shoes back

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<v Speaker 2>on to disrespect the road.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything goes black and they all emerge from body bags

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<v Speaker 1>in a morgue. This is the final trial. There's lights

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<v Speaker 1>on the ceiling, which Jen notices that are there grow

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<v Speaker 1>lights like in a greenhouse or in a indoor weed operation.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very weird. Agatha realizes all their stuff is in

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<v Speaker 1>the body bags with them. Jen puzzles it out. She

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<v Speaker 1>really wants to solve this puzzle and save Agatha Billy

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<v Speaker 1>so she can get her power back. But Billy points

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<v Speaker 1>out that you already saved us. You know, you saved

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<v Speaker 1>Agatha from the poison, you saved me previously, and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you have your magic already, maybe like you don't need

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<v Speaker 1>to get it back. So Jen is now wondering, man,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that spooky doctor at Boston didn't actually take my

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<v Speaker 1>magic hundred years ago, and that rings a bell for

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<v Speaker 1>Agatho who realizes guess what she was the spooky doctor

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<v Speaker 1>who stole Jen's magic or bound her up, so she

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<v Speaker 1>gathered Jen.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like she was binding witches as a way

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<v Speaker 2>to like un money and maybe like move any kind

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<v Speaker 2>of witch suspicion away from That's how.

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<v Speaker 3>Jen's kind of Jen's pitch.

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<v Speaker 1>She's pissed, but she's also kind of lucky that that Agatha,

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<v Speaker 1>as we will see in the next episode, wasn't doing

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<v Speaker 1>the other thing that she was doing for many years,

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<v Speaker 1>which is which is serial killing witches. We'll get to

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<v Speaker 1>that later. Jen does an unbinding spell on Agatha and

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<v Speaker 1>it works. Jen has power back up, and she disappears.

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<v Speaker 1>She leaves the road. She's gone. Good for her. Agatha

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<v Speaker 1>is like, yep, she got what she wanted from the

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<v Speaker 1>road and she's out of here. Billy and Agatha argue

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<v Speaker 1>about what Agatha really wants, which he's really up to.

0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:22.400
<v Speaker 1>He suspects she wants to take his power. Meanwhile, up

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<v Speaker 1>on the ceiling, the puzzle countdown lights are slowly turning off.

0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Agatha tells Billy that Rio is really upset about the

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<v Speaker 1>Tommy thing. Billy says, like, I don't even know how

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<v Speaker 1>I did it. This is clearly like motherlike son, where

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<v Speaker 1>they just don't have.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't really have any control over at this.

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<v Speaker 1>Point, they don't have enough. They have some, but not enough.

0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:46.760
<v Speaker 1>And AGAs is like, okay, well, let's work through this.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me your last memories of Tommy, and she puts

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<v Speaker 1>him into a kind of like hypnotic state where he's

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<v Speaker 1>remembering falling asleep with Billy and and she begins to

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<v Speaker 1>regulate his breathing like breathing time with his breathing, and

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<v Speaker 1>she wants uh Billy to find Tommy, find him as

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<v Speaker 1>their mother Wanda was in that moment, was folding space,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were beginning to disappear, and Billy sees a vision,

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<v Speaker 1>has a vision of a boy dying, drowning as his

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<v Speaker 1>friends watch, and uh, he realizes that maybe he can

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<v Speaker 1>put Tommy's soul into this body, like his soul.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, like find a dead pass and just do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Find somebody who's gonna die. But then he's like, wait

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<v Speaker 3>a minute, am I killing? Would he have died before?

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a that's the mark of a good person.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Billy for not wanting to kill somebody. So

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<v Speaker 1>Billy wants to know if he's the one killing the boy,

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<v Speaker 1>and as he voices this, we come back to the

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<v Speaker 1>room and Billy has disappeared, and Agatha has just there alone,

0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.720
<v Speaker 1>and she says in a very sad way that sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>boys die. She opens up her locket she pulls out

0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Nick's hair and there's like a little seed, a little

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<v Speaker 1>dandelion seed behind it. She touches it to her tiar

0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.080
<v Speaker 1>and then plants it in some dirt that was like

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<v Speaker 1>where Billy was sitting, and a dandelion grows and the

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<v Speaker 1>dirt starts pouring into the room. Agatha, initially happy that

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<v Speaker 1>the dandelight is growing is now sad because she's being

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<v Speaker 1>buried alive.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, She's like, I just didn't go to She.

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<v Speaker 1>Emerges from her Westview basement out into her backyard to

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<v Speaker 1>Rio laughing at her, and Agatha is really upset. She's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I did my end of the deal. I got Billy

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<v Speaker 1>to like die basically to surrender herself to the void,

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<v Speaker 1>and so now you should be leaving me alone. And

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<v Speaker 1>Rio's like, no, you didn't because he was supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>come with me. You're supposed to like take him to me,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he would greed.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was also like I'm I made it to

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the road. Where's my power?

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<v Speaker 3>Power?

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff? So then Rio's like shut up and begins just

0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.479
<v Speaker 1>torturing her, like throw She's like I'm gonna kill your

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<v Speaker 1>going broken glass in her face and doing all this

0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:18.920
<v Speaker 1>terrible stuff and the very toxic relationships, very very toxic. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>all the residents of West v are like, here we

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<v Speaker 1>fucking go again.

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<v Speaker 2>This Yeah, because she's on the roof laughing like a

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<v Speaker 2>wicked witch in the west and everyone's like, oh god again,

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<v Speaker 2>like more witches.

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<v Speaker 1>So just as Rio is about to like do the

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<v Speaker 1>killing blow on Agatha, something knocks her away and it's wicked, wicking,

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<v Speaker 1>full wicked costume. He flies in to the rescue and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, okay, Agatha, I'm gonna power. I'm gonna give

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<v Speaker 1>you some juice, just don't take it all. And so

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<v Speaker 1>he gives her a little juice, but then he's like

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<v Speaker 1>giving her more juice, and then he's like, no.

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<v Speaker 2>She's considering taking it. Like he's very close.

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<v Speaker 1>He's his face is starting to look, you know, dried

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<v Speaker 1>up and desiccated, and he's he can't really stop juicinger.

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<v Speaker 1>He's very reliant on her deciding Okay, that's enough, and

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like Billy's gonna die. But then she's like, okay,

0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:14.840
<v Speaker 1>that's enough. I'm not gonna take any more.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm juiced.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm juiced. Rio comes out and says, well, here's the

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<v Speaker 1>new deal. If one of you comes with me, the

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<v Speaker 1>other one can live whatever. Rio bats away, Wickan and

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<v Speaker 1>Agatha and Rio go to to toe for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>Billy comes out knocks Rio for a loop. Again. Agatha

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<v Speaker 1>and Billy have a conversation and she's like, I should

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<v Speaker 1>go with Rio, like I'll be the one that does it,

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<v Speaker 1>and this genuine there really is actual. But then Billy

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<v Speaker 1>moved by Agatha's selfless sacrifice, so no, no, no, no, I

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<v Speaker 1>will I'll do it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's my.

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<v Speaker 1>Just and she's like yeah, and she's like, go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and see you, Billy. Rio put my yard back the

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<v Speaker 1>way it was. The propertys tout a bad en off already, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>make it nice, and Billy is like, how dare you

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<v Speaker 1>dupe me? And then he calls out to her with

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<v Speaker 1>his thoughts. He's like, you can hear me, I know

0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:21.320
<v Speaker 1>you can hear me, and he says, is this how

0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Nicky died?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you trade your son for power? And Agatha is

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<v Speaker 1>so genuinely distressed and heartbroken that someone would think this

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<v Speaker 1>that she changes her mind and kisses Rio passionately on

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<v Speaker 1>the mouth, and then finally then she falls slowly dead,

0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:48.679
<v Speaker 1>decays fun guy cover her body a beautiful shaft of

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<v Speaker 1>sunlight on the grave. Rio watches all this happen and

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<v Speaker 1>then Rio's like you can go, Billy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, She's like, bye, We're done.

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<v Speaker 1>Billy walks to his William Kaplan superroof forester and drives incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>In the full costume, like in the full wicking.

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<v Speaker 2>Costume, like looking like he's going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Have He's got their faces bloody.

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<v Speaker 3>And everyone in west who's looking at him like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>what's going on? And he's just like I'm getting in

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<v Speaker 3>my supero forest.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, the Caplains are very upset that their son

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<v Speaker 1>has been gone for twenty four hours, no phone.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty four interesting, Yeah, is that the whole time that

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<v Speaker 2>they were on the road in the entire time?

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<v Speaker 1>That wow. But apparently he manages to just talk his

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<v Speaker 1>way into letting him just like, he give me a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>He goes up, he takes a shower, ghosters room and

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<v Speaker 1>if you go on episode seven was a usual Suspects

0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:51.440
<v Speaker 1>type vib Guess what he just got it? Guess this

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<v Speaker 1>is what we were right?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it not? M hm? So I do believe we

0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:59.359
<v Speaker 3>definitely talked about it. Joelle was a big proponent of this.

0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:02.680
<v Speaker 2>It's been a big talking point in our discord. There

0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:06.359
<v Speaker 2>was a conversation and I am very interested in this

0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:09.760
<v Speaker 2>because I think it's an exceptionally cool idea and it's

0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:15.840
<v Speaker 2>even more uncontrolled than Wonder because he has no ideas,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas Wonder had some idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Now maybe with practice, you know, he can develop these things.

0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:26.560
<v Speaker 1>But he's a scary guy right now. Anyway, William begins,

0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:29.439
<v Speaker 1>Billy begins looking around his room, and he starts to

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<v Speaker 1>realize that everything that they encountered on the road has

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<v Speaker 1>a reference point on his wall. The Luna wood shadowing

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<v Speaker 1>and the Wizard of Ours figurines are the picture of

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<v Speaker 1>a of a beachside scene with a beautiful little beach house.

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<v Speaker 1>All this stuffs.

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<v Speaker 2>Shoeses like the empty shoes and everything in the room

0:22:55.760 --> 0:23:02.359
<v Speaker 2>is now clearly a touch point for what inspired his

0:23:02.640 --> 0:23:06.560
<v Speaker 2>magic to craft and bring the road to life. That

0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:08.080
<v Speaker 2>is the thing I will say that I think it's

0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:10.960
<v Speaker 2>slightly different about the theories that were going around. The

0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:14.760
<v Speaker 2>idea that Billy essentially like created Hex's magic like West

0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:18.119
<v Speaker 2>for you to make a fake world is not necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>what we learn. It's more that he created a real

0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:26.000
<v Speaker 2>version of the Witch's Roads that had never existed, which

0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:27.600
<v Speaker 2>I think is very interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, the never existed part, I think is uh is important.

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<v Speaker 1>He yeah, so uh, he's blown away by this that he.

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<v Speaker 3>Did finds the weija board.

0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:44.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, really he did this Where he starts to see.

0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:47.679
<v Speaker 1>And it starts to really like you know, sink in,

0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:51.960
<v Speaker 1>like Lily is dead, Alice is dead, he did this,

0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:56.399
<v Speaker 1>and just as he is kind of trying to piece

0:23:56.480 --> 0:24:01.320
<v Speaker 1>the shards of his mind back together, he hears a

0:24:01.359 --> 0:24:22.679
<v Speaker 1>sound behind him say, boom yeah. We go to the

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<v Speaker 1>next episode, Mother Crone Maiden Mother Crone. We open on

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen fifty, the year seventeen fifty. Agatha is running through

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<v Speaker 1>the wood. She is very, very pregnant. She leans against

0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:35.040
<v Speaker 1>a tree. She's trying to give birth, but then Rio

0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:38.480
<v Speaker 1>shows up. It's like, Nope, this is not going to happen,

0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:43.280
<v Speaker 1>and this is the moment. This is the choice, and

0:24:43.359 --> 0:24:47.399
<v Speaker 1>we see the choice and what Agatha essentially chooses, and

0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:52.240
<v Speaker 1>what Rio offers her is time with her child, who

0:24:52.280 --> 0:24:55.640
<v Speaker 1>will be Nick, but only a period of time, and

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<v Speaker 1>she won't tell Agatha how long do you think.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't sure in that moment if this was a

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<v Speaker 2>predetermined choice, or if it was just you're having a

0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:08.120
<v Speaker 2>baby in the seventeen fifties and that baby's gonna die

0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 2>and so so Death showed.

0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:11.600
<v Speaker 3>Up and was like, the baby's gonna die.

0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:14.520
<v Speaker 2>But because she likes Agatha, she was like, I can

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:18.240
<v Speaker 2>offer you time, but I can't take him, not take him.

0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:21.040
<v Speaker 1>I think what happened. It's a good question I think

0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:24.879
<v Speaker 1>what's happening is that Nick is not a real child.

0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:27.160
<v Speaker 1>In that I think Nick is also created by magic.

0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:29.120
<v Speaker 1>I think Agatha created Nick by magic, which you want

0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:32.520
<v Speaker 1>to have a child, she didn't want to. She didn't

0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:35.400
<v Speaker 1>there were no men that met her standards, which I.

0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:37.800
<v Speaker 3>Get it, Yes, so she created it.

0:25:37.880 --> 0:25:41.280
<v Speaker 1>So she created him from magic. And I think Rio

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<v Speaker 1>Death was like, no, no, no, you can't do that.

0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:47.960
<v Speaker 1>That's a no no. But because I love you, I'll

0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:49.320
<v Speaker 1>give you. I'll give you time.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you're right, that's absolutely what it is.

0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:57.920
<v Speaker 1>So and I think and I think the name lets

0:25:57.960 --> 0:26:02.400
<v Speaker 1>you know that this is what happened. Scratch created from scratch, nixt.

0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:04.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she even I think she even says that to him,

0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:07.720
<v Speaker 2>And I mean it's it's essentially yeah, like Anakin forced

0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:12.400
<v Speaker 2>baby vibes. You know, she created this baby from magic. Yeah,

0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:15.720
<v Speaker 2>Billy and Tommy like, you know, it's that Wonder with's

0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:18.280
<v Speaker 2>what Wonder says to Strange where he's like, you created

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<v Speaker 2>them from magic, and she's like, that's what all mothers do. Yeah,

0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:23.360
<v Speaker 2>isn't that what all mothers do? And then we get

0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:23.680
<v Speaker 2>it here.

0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:26.200
<v Speaker 3>Also, I think a.

0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Very interesting kind of nod to the nature of magic

0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:37.520
<v Speaker 2>in the MCU as something that has been around for

0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:40.000
<v Speaker 2>a lot longer. And we get that note from Chen

0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:43.399
<v Speaker 2>about how the old you know, Rio said she's the

0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:47.480
<v Speaker 2>green Witch and death is about this constant cycle of

0:26:47.520 --> 0:26:50.760
<v Speaker 2>life and birth and decay, and obviously creating a baby

0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:55.000
<v Speaker 2>from scratch of magic means that you would be evading that.

0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:57.359
<v Speaker 2>So I think, I think you're right. And I loved

0:26:58.000 --> 0:27:04.600
<v Speaker 2>kind of med evil, uh Rio. She looked so great

0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:07.840
<v Speaker 2>in that costume, and she also looked so heartbroken to

0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:11.119
<v Speaker 2>do her job, which you know, was to reap the

0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:12.119
<v Speaker 2>unnatural baby.

0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:17.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So Agatha then walks through the she's walking through

0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:21.399
<v Speaker 1>the woods with her baby. She comes across a coven.

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:26.160
<v Speaker 1>They're doing which stuff in the woods? Long story protection?

0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:30.680
<v Speaker 1>This is they got protection stones, yes, and long story short,

0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:33.280
<v Speaker 1>Agatha talks her way in and she kills them, steals

0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:37.520
<v Speaker 1>their power six years past, clearly of doing this on

0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:38.680
<v Speaker 1>a regular basis.

0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:40.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh, this is that whole life.

0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:46.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And and what we've the pattern they've fallen into

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:51.720
<v Speaker 1>is young Nick goes into whatever town or villages nearby

0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:55.280
<v Speaker 1>and looks sad and will lure a.

0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:56.800
<v Speaker 3>Witch which tends to be sickly.

0:27:56.960 --> 0:27:59.159
<v Speaker 1>She has to be sickly, a witch will come and

0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:02.720
<v Speaker 1>offer him help, and then he will lead that witch

0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:05.239
<v Speaker 1>back to Agatha, who will kill that witch and then

0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:08.720
<v Speaker 1>steal their power and then use that power to nourish Nick.

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:12.640
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so my I did think that. My odd thing

0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:13.840
<v Speaker 3>is I wonder.

0:28:13.520 --> 0:28:20.479
<v Speaker 2>If if she keeps giving bodies to Rio then Rio

0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:21.200
<v Speaker 2>doesn't come off.

0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:23.080
<v Speaker 1>I think that's I think that's part of it.

0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because the night they don't kill someone, that's when

0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 2>Nick dies the next day. So I definitely think it's connected.

0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:38.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's part of it. Uh. That said, despite

0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:43.920
<v Speaker 1>this ghulish existence, mother and son have a wonderful relationship.

0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:45.840
<v Speaker 1>They hang out in the woods. She does magic tricks

0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:49.280
<v Speaker 1>for him. She can do everything for him except make

0:28:49.360 --> 0:28:51.240
<v Speaker 1>him a plate of food and feed him because he

0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:52.320
<v Speaker 1>can't eat.

0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 2>He can't doesn't seem like he can eat. Yeah, he

0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:56.280
<v Speaker 2>has natural food.

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 1>He has to survive on this magic that she steals,

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:02.480
<v Speaker 1>and she only has an unknown amount of time with

0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:05.200
<v Speaker 1>him again until Rio comes back.

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:08.440
<v Speaker 3>And we learn like while they walk around the woods,

0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:11.160
<v Speaker 3>we learned that it's Nick who created the Witch's Road

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:14.720
<v Speaker 3>song because he started it off by singing down.

0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 1>Over the years.

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Down the winding road and eventually it would kind of

0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:24.400
<v Speaker 2>change into this song that became a calling card that

0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:26.240
<v Speaker 2>would become part of their con.

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:29.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, sure, he probably wrote the song, but I think

0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:32.160
<v Speaker 1>the story of like, oh yeah, there's this road, there's

0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:35.160
<v Speaker 1>this magic road that was clearly going to be Agathas.

0:29:36.480 --> 0:29:37.920
<v Speaker 1>That's Agathas dud don't.

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:39.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't think that.

0:29:39.880 --> 0:29:42.760
<v Speaker 2>I think that the two of them made the song together,

0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:46.600
<v Speaker 2>like a lullaby to sing while they were just wandering

0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:49.680
<v Speaker 2>around and doing this. And I think it was only

0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 2>after when, only when she realized that it appealed to

0:29:56.320 --> 0:30:00.720
<v Speaker 2>other witches, that she then took a bontage of it.

0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:03.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it was necessarily created that way. I

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:08.080
<v Speaker 2>think the creation was relatively pure between the two of them,

0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:10.520
<v Speaker 2>but then she saw that people started to hear it

0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:12.920
<v Speaker 2>and think, oh, this must be real, and that would

0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:14.760
<v Speaker 2>draw more witches to the power of them.

0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:17.120
<v Speaker 1>I think it's actually I think you're right, but I

0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 1>actually think it's significantly more ghoulish than that. I think

0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 1>what happened is they're singing this song, witches do come

0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 1>and talk to to Nick. Then those witches disappear. Then

0:30:30.280 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Agatha says, oh, they walk the road.

0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:33.560
<v Speaker 3>They walked the witches.

0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh, they walked the witches road, and they just didn't

0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:37.479
<v Speaker 1>come back. And that's what it is, you know, if

0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:41.880
<v Speaker 1>you want to walk the child is very dagous women

0:30:42.200 --> 0:30:43.040
<v Speaker 1>in that path.

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:45.000
<v Speaker 3>Wow, that's bleak and I love it.

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:48.480
<v Speaker 1>It's and then it became this legend amongst witches, which

0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:54.280
<v Speaker 1>is really fucked up. So anyway, in the meantime, mother

0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:58.640
<v Speaker 1>and son spend this wonderful time out in you know,

0:30:58.760 --> 0:31:04.000
<v Speaker 1>pre America, North America, in this wonderful Terrence Malick like

0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:10.520
<v Speaker 1>cinematography and Nick. We see Nick later on singing this

0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:15.120
<v Speaker 1>the Ballad of the Road in a public house. Uh,

0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:18.440
<v Speaker 1>and a witch comes up and offers Nick help again here.

0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:18.600
<v Speaker 2>And she.

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:22.560
<v Speaker 3>Where did you hear something range song?

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:26.040
<v Speaker 2>Like, there's a moment here where I feel like Nick

0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 2>realizes that could be like an uncovering or an interest

0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:34.720
<v Speaker 2>or something that would connect with these witches even more

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:37.400
<v Speaker 2>about the song, and he's like, no, I'm fine, i

0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:38.040
<v Speaker 2>gotta go home.

0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 1>So clearly by this point there is like a there

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:46.680
<v Speaker 1>is like a legend of this song by now. So yeah,

0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Nick is like no, even though he looks terribly like

0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:56.440
<v Speaker 1>wan and pale and needs sustenance. He says no because

0:31:56.960 --> 0:31:58.520
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't want to kill anyone, and as he and

0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:03.280
<v Speaker 1>his mom are walking away, actually, when she finds him

0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:06.240
<v Speaker 1>in the woods later, he's basically saying, hey, can we

0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:07.760
<v Speaker 1>do why do we have to keep doing this? Like

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 1>we can kill it just tomorrow. I don't want to

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:12.920
<v Speaker 1>do it today, and Agasa is like fine. They fall

0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 1>asleep and in the night, Rio comes calls Nick over

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 1>to him, and when Agatha wakes up in the warning

0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:25.760
<v Speaker 1>Nick is dead, she's very, very sad. She buries him.

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:29.720
<v Speaker 1>She sings and weeps over the grave, and then the

0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:34.240
<v Speaker 1>witch from that bar that heard the song comes over

0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:38.320
<v Speaker 1>and she's like because Agatha was singing it over the grave,

0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:40.560
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, oh, I heard you singing that song.

0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:43.760
<v Speaker 1>I have desperate need of to walk the Witch's road

0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:47.040
<v Speaker 1>because I need I need something from the Wish's road,

0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:50.400
<v Speaker 1>and if you will show me the way of the road,

0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:56.520
<v Speaker 1>I would be so pleased. Of course, Agatha says. So.

0:32:56.560 --> 0:32:58.640
<v Speaker 1>Aga says, first step, we need a coven, So they

0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:00.680
<v Speaker 1>gather up a coven. They all join hands, they sing

0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 1>the ballad, and Agatha portrays them and steals her power,

0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 1>and we see her do this again and again and

0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 1>again for like over for like two centuries.

0:33:09.320 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 3>Hundreds of years.

0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so if we're thinking like every month, twice a month.

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:17.520
<v Speaker 3>Then I'd say twice a month.

0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:20.040
<v Speaker 2>That's generous to Agatha because she's probably doing it more.

0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:20.680
<v Speaker 2>She's greedy.

0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:22.920
<v Speaker 1>So what do you think her body count as? So wait,

0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:25.800
<v Speaker 1>first of all, when Nick, I think she was killing,

0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:27.440
<v Speaker 1>which is whenever Nick was hungry.

0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:31.080
<v Speaker 2>I like that read that's very dark. I think that's true.

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:36.479
<v Speaker 2>And I also think that she was knowing how death is.

0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:42.200
<v Speaker 2>And earlier in the episode, when in the first episode,

0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:45.240
<v Speaker 2>when we see her on the road and Rio catches

0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:47.480
<v Speaker 2>up with her, death says, Oh, they're dying, just like

0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:48.200
<v Speaker 2>you promised me.

0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:51.400
<v Speaker 3>So I guess that there is some kind.

0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Of unspoken agreement between them that the bodies from the

0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:57.160
<v Speaker 2>Witch's Road Cone which is now you know, a real

0:33:57.200 --> 0:34:00.880
<v Speaker 2>Witch's Road thanks to Billy, have been going to Rio

0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:03.840
<v Speaker 2>for a reason. And I think that it was a

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:06.000
<v Speaker 2>duality of Nick needing.

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:08.520
<v Speaker 3>Them and then Rio.

0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:12.399
<v Speaker 2>Wanting the bodies, And that seemingly is how Agatha has

0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:17.440
<v Speaker 2>evaded death for so long. If she gives Rio these bodies,

0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:19.600
<v Speaker 2>she can kill, Yo won't collect her.

0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:22.239
<v Speaker 1>And she and she gets powered up right the whole time,

0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:23.960
<v Speaker 1>she's like also gaining power.

0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 3>But I don't know.

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:27.560
<v Speaker 2>I think that it is more of like a There

0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:29.799
<v Speaker 2>was an interesting conversation about this in the discord, and

0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:32.000
<v Speaker 2>I do think some people raise some interesting points, which

0:34:32.040 --> 0:34:38.480
<v Speaker 2>is like, if Agatha had just kept consistently having that

0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:41.200
<v Speaker 2>like gaining this power, she would have been incredibly overpowered.

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:44.120
<v Speaker 2>But we know that's never really been the case even

0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:46.160
<v Speaker 2>when her mom, Like after her mom killed her, she

0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:48.239
<v Speaker 2>struggled to have powers when surely she could have just

0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:50.640
<v Speaker 2>killed more witches, and she definitely was killing witches in

0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:54.200
<v Speaker 2>a more modern age than after her mom tried to

0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:54.640
<v Speaker 2>kill her.

0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:55.960
<v Speaker 3>So I do also.

0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:59.879
<v Speaker 2>Think it's maybe like the witches who die are more

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:03.560
<v Speaker 2>to keep her alive and kind of keep her vaguely

0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:06.760
<v Speaker 2>with a little bit of power and a taste of power.

0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:13.000
<v Speaker 2>But I think they're more for rio it's because it's

0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:16.239
<v Speaker 2>really bad. Well, if you think about it, though, it aligns,

0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:19.399
<v Speaker 2>it aligns with what we know of death because in

0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:22.200
<v Speaker 2>this version Jack Jack Shaeffer has said, she doesn't you know,

0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 2>obviously we saw a different version of Thanos who killed

0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:27.439
<v Speaker 2>for a stupid reason, didn't kill for a hot sexy death.

0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:30.000
<v Speaker 3>This is what Death's appetite is.

0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:33.000
<v Speaker 2>In the comics Death set, you know, Thanos kills half

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:34.920
<v Speaker 2>of the population of the universe for death, and then

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:39.480
<v Speaker 2>she's just like, y okay, sure, But here, I think

0:35:39.560 --> 0:35:42.400
<v Speaker 2>like we have a similar situation where Agthur has gotten

0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:45.080
<v Speaker 2>herself into a situation where no matter how many people

0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:48.000
<v Speaker 2>she kills for death, it's never really enough she's killed.

0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:50.959
<v Speaker 2>If we think about it, let's say let's say ten,

0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:52.200
<v Speaker 2>which is a month.

0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:56.200
<v Speaker 1>I just feel like twelve hour. Here's my issue. They're

0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 1>dying anyway. Everybody's dying anyway. People are dying all the time.

0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Agatha mentioned the numbers. It's like six a minute or

0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:07.440
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is like in the world, Like, why do

0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:10.480
<v Speaker 1>we then need to hasten these witches along?

0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:15.320
<v Speaker 3>You're getting that's just what death likes. That's what death likes.

0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:16.400
<v Speaker 3>She's just greedy.

0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Death likes people to kill full hot she does like canon. Okay,

0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:23.799
<v Speaker 2>So I would say, if we're going with the very

0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:28.200
<v Speaker 2>generous six, if we're saying it's going to be like

0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 2>six witches, five witches.

0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:33.560
<v Speaker 1>Let's call it five witches a month.

0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:35.719
<v Speaker 3>Let's say it, okay, for sixty a.

0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:38.800
<v Speaker 1>Year, ten a month, So one hundred and twenty a year.

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:41.360
<v Speaker 3>One hundred and twenty a year times one hundred.

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 1>Year, seventeen fifty so time, okay, eight hundred yeah, two

0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:50.319
<v Speaker 1>hundred times two hundred and fifty years. Hold on, So

0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:51.520
<v Speaker 1>like let's see.

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:54.080
<v Speaker 3>Okay, thirty thousand Jesus.

0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:59.800
<v Speaker 1>People, Wowatha, I mean I would also say festival.

0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:02.480
<v Speaker 2>He is technically a mass murderer because she kills like

0:37:02.560 --> 0:37:04.840
<v Speaker 2>five people at a time. And now she's a super

0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:07.880
<v Speaker 2>mass murder because you're talking about thirty thousand. She's up

0:37:07.880 --> 0:37:10.680
<v Speaker 2>there people, You're talking about one of the highest death

0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:11.840
<v Speaker 2>counts in the MCU.

0:37:12.040 --> 0:37:16.080
<v Speaker 1>I think it's hurt. Like obviously Thanos killed on hest

0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:18.759
<v Speaker 1>he got the crown, but then they got they came back.

0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:24.200
<v Speaker 1>Then we have Yondu trafficking unknown amounts children to their

0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:27.560
<v Speaker 1>to their deaths for a long time. There's a mountain

0:37:27.600 --> 0:37:29.160
<v Speaker 1>of bones that we see.

0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:30.640
<v Speaker 3>He did really bad stuff.

0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:33.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and now we have Agatha who has been just

0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:39.560
<v Speaker 1>slaughtering witches for two hundred and thirty years.

0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:48.239
<v Speaker 2>Ultron obviously low hi Hella, I mean I would say, yeah,

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:52.919
<v Speaker 2>but still not that bad compared to thirty thousand. I mean,

0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:56.920
<v Speaker 2>I think kill Manga, he killed like two thousand people

0:37:57.080 --> 0:37:59.480
<v Speaker 2>when he was in the military, but still not that

0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 2>celestial ego.

0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:07.919
<v Speaker 3>He is definitely the level. But really I have.

0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:12.080
<v Speaker 2>To say, I think, okay, so oh yeah, high evolutionary

0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:13.840
<v Speaker 2>another James Gunn introduction.

0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:15.799
<v Speaker 3>There he is in the millions.

0:38:16.160 --> 0:38:19.360
<v Speaker 2>But I really do think that this is a very

0:38:19.960 --> 0:38:22.640
<v Speaker 2>This is much more intimate than a lot of those people.

0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:27.640
<v Speaker 2>She has celestials. They've exactly the celestials, just like they

0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:28.400
<v Speaker 2>just kill.

0:38:28.200 --> 0:38:30.000
<v Speaker 3>A planet, like they don't know what's going on on

0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:30.560
<v Speaker 3>that planet.

0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:36.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this woman is like actively seeking out marginalized women.

0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:41.719
<v Speaker 3>She's and I think that's crazy.

0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Is that when she had when she had sweet Baby,

0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:52.879
<v Speaker 2>Sweet Baby Nick, he made it so she was less

0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:54.920
<v Speaker 2>of a threat, so they would let her into the circle.

0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Once he's gone, she needs something to love them, and

0:38:57.239 --> 0:38:59.719
<v Speaker 2>that becomes the road where she's offering them power. She's

0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:02.000
<v Speaker 2>offering them this, that and the other. I mean it is,

0:39:02.160 --> 0:39:06.040
<v Speaker 2>it's so so deeply bleak, and I love it. I do.

0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:10.040
<v Speaker 1>It's great. Anyway, So we then see so we see

0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:13.440
<v Speaker 1>this montage of Agatha killing all these witches down through history,

0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:18.000
<v Speaker 1>like right to our present coven of witches, and we

0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:22.480
<v Speaker 1>see her gather them together sing the ballad, she betrays him,

0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:25.839
<v Speaker 1>but then something shocking happens. The entryway to the road

0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:32.080
<v Speaker 1>actually appears for the first time ever. What And in

0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:37.319
<v Speaker 1>that moment, in this flashback, we see that Agatha realized

0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:40.800
<v Speaker 1>this is Billy. Billy's doing this. She realized in that moment.

0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:43.160
<v Speaker 3>She realized it straight away, straight away.

0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:46.080
<v Speaker 1>So she's appearing to him as a ghost now from

0:39:46.120 --> 0:39:50.120
<v Speaker 1>the afterlife. She doesn't quite know how the ghost thing,

0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:54.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, works yet, but she's a fast study. She'll

0:39:54.600 --> 0:39:57.719
<v Speaker 1>figure that out. And Billy is like, did I do that?

0:39:57.760 --> 0:40:01.160
<v Speaker 1>Did I make the road? And AGA's like, yes, the

0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:04.800
<v Speaker 1>ballad was a con. It never meant anything. She doesn't

0:40:04.880 --> 0:40:08.120
<v Speaker 1>really mention the thousands of I think, but that's.

0:40:08.040 --> 0:40:11.319
<v Speaker 2>Also not just that I think, like there's still this

0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:14.440
<v Speaker 2>hidden paw of Agatha wey. She's like, it never meant

0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:16.200
<v Speaker 2>a thing, but it did mean something to her because

0:40:16.239 --> 0:40:16.960
<v Speaker 2>it was with Hassan.

0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:17.359
<v Speaker 3>That's right.

0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:20.439
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, very interesting And then yeah, on the road,

0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:21.839
<v Speaker 2>Billy created it.

0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:25.600
<v Speaker 1>So Billy is now coming to terms with the idea

0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:29.440
<v Speaker 1>that he killed you know, Alice and Lilia, he killed

0:40:29.480 --> 0:40:32.239
<v Speaker 1>some of their companies. Very upset by this, Agatha is

0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:36.680
<v Speaker 1>like well, but Jen made it so like if you

0:40:36.800 --> 0:40:40.359
<v Speaker 1>do the if you add it up, it's really we're

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:42.799
<v Speaker 1>only like down one or maybe with like even like

0:40:42.880 --> 0:40:43.719
<v Speaker 1>you can call it even.

0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:46.680
<v Speaker 2>Also she's like, honestly, you saved the life because I

0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:48.000
<v Speaker 2>was gonna kill them all in my basement.

0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:52.120
<v Speaker 1>That's right. So really, like who's it's a win? Elsewhere,

0:40:52.160 --> 0:40:54.080
<v Speaker 1>we see Jen crawl out of the dirt right in

0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:57.680
<v Speaker 1>front of the West View sign and she flies away.

0:40:57.719 --> 0:40:58.640
<v Speaker 1>She's got her power back.

0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:02.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeay, off to meet man Thing. Yeah, come back to

0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:05.240
<v Speaker 2>mentor Billy, that's my dream. Do you think she's Jericho

0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:08.880
<v Speaker 2>drum No, she I think Jen in in the book.

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:12.480
<v Speaker 2>In the comics, Jennifer Klee is like a witch. She's

0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:15.400
<v Speaker 2>like connected to man thing that's like her husband and stuff.

0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:16.839
<v Speaker 3>So I think they're gonna explore it.

0:41:16.920 --> 0:41:19.080
<v Speaker 2>But I wouldn't be surprised to see them connect her

0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:22.360
<v Speaker 2>to the drum family because also we are getting like

0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:24.840
<v Speaker 2>young Jericho Drummond House of Harkness, so it feels like

0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:27.120
<v Speaker 2>they're bringing that element up.

0:41:27.560 --> 0:41:31.399
<v Speaker 1>So uh and so out of the tells Billy, well,

0:41:31.400 --> 0:41:32.880
<v Speaker 1>this is what it means to be a witch. You

0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:36.120
<v Speaker 1>kill for magic and then you keep living Billy doesn't

0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:38.160
<v Speaker 1>like that, but what's he gonna do. He goes back

0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:41.840
<v Speaker 1>to Agatha's basement, where he sees the road entrance. Agatha,

0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:44.920
<v Speaker 1>who is haunting him, is like mocking him, and she's like,

0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:47.200
<v Speaker 1>what are we doing this? She's like, tell you what,

0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:49.600
<v Speaker 1>Just give me my brooch, which I know you have,

0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:54.080
<v Speaker 1>and I will leave. Billy ignores her. He does some spells,

0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:57.680
<v Speaker 1>he chants over Agatha's brooch. He's trying to banish her,

0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:03.440
<v Speaker 1>but she's not banishing. And then eventually she admits that

0:42:03.480 --> 0:42:05.640
<v Speaker 1>she doesn't want to go full full dead into the

0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:10.680
<v Speaker 1>afterlife because that would mean facing her son Nick and

0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:13.240
<v Speaker 1>and having to admit all the things she's done.

0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:13.560
<v Speaker 2>I e.

0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:16.759
<v Speaker 3>And the thousand women that she's.

0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:20.759
<v Speaker 1>Killed, Yeah, and and creating him out of nothing and

0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:23.520
<v Speaker 1>then killing all these people to keep him alive. Agatha

0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:28.120
<v Speaker 1>manages to pick up the brooch. After this stops the

0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:30.600
<v Speaker 1>chanting and Billy drops the brooch and she manages to

0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:32.399
<v Speaker 1>pick it up. She puts it on. Billy's like, wow,

0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:36.279
<v Speaker 1>you really figure out this ghost thing, and Agatha is

0:42:36.360 --> 0:42:40.359
<v Speaker 1>like you know. He then says, you know, I'm sure

0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:42.920
<v Speaker 1>if you went to the afterlife like fully, like Nick

0:42:42.960 --> 0:42:44.960
<v Speaker 1>would forgive you, and Agatha is very touched by this.

0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:49.680
<v Speaker 1>She's like, you know, I'm a hardcore, hardened ted Bundy

0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:52.759
<v Speaker 1>of witches, but when you say those kind of things

0:42:52.800 --> 0:42:54.960
<v Speaker 1>to me, like it reminds me of Nick because Nick

0:42:54.960 --> 0:42:57.520
<v Speaker 1>always had this kind of like love for me, but

0:42:57.680 --> 0:43:02.200
<v Speaker 1>I didn't deserve. And next thing, you know, it certainly

0:43:02.239 --> 0:43:04.520
<v Speaker 1>seems like a team up Billy and Agatha, Wickan and

0:43:04.600 --> 0:43:07.360
<v Speaker 1>the Ghost. It seems like they're gonna do this together.

0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Billy magically turns the road door into a memorial to

0:43:12.440 --> 0:43:16.719
<v Speaker 1>their coven, and then Agatha turns human says, let's go

0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:18.759
<v Speaker 1>find Tommy and boom they're off.

0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:25.080
<v Speaker 2>Wow, crazy stuff, crazy crazy, But I do I like,

0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:28.320
<v Speaker 2>I really like the idea of this, like Agatha, Ghost

0:43:28.800 --> 0:43:32.719
<v Speaker 2>Billy team up because I think even though obviously we

0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:35.800
<v Speaker 2>know she killed you know, thirty thousand people, at least

0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:37.279
<v Speaker 2>Billy doesn't know that.

0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:38.440
<v Speaker 3>All he knows is she is.

0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:41.279
<v Speaker 2>A flawed person who has killed lots of people, and he,

0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:45.600
<v Speaker 2>at that moment in time, is judging himself and feeling

0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:48.880
<v Speaker 2>like he too is an evil murderer because of creating

0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:52.279
<v Speaker 2>the hecks. I think the saddest thing is that with

0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:54.720
<v Speaker 2>the Witch's Road. What's clear about it is they probably

0:43:54.760 --> 0:43:57.680
<v Speaker 2>actually could have walked out at any point, like if

0:43:57.719 --> 0:44:01.279
<v Speaker 2>there had been this realization, the way that Jen climbed out,

0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:05.120
<v Speaker 2>the way that Lily they almost walked out to the

0:44:05.160 --> 0:44:09.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, the railroad underneath Westview, like. But I think

0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:12.919
<v Speaker 2>it's very interesting. I hope we get to see more

0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:15.680
<v Speaker 2>of these two together, and I think this is I

0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:17.680
<v Speaker 2>think this is one of the best Emcu shows.

0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:21.239
<v Speaker 1>I agree the Salem seven was that also Billy, I

0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:21.680
<v Speaker 1>think so.

0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:27.880
<v Speaker 2>I I do. Maybe I think it was like she

0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:29.480
<v Speaker 2>got the sauce, so maybe she.

0:44:29.480 --> 0:44:32.239
<v Speaker 3>Got the sauce. Maybe they were really after Agatha. I

0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:32.560
<v Speaker 3>don't know.

0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:35.800
<v Speaker 2>I did feel like there was a maybe they actually

0:44:35.880 --> 0:44:39.239
<v Speaker 2>had come out of the ground, not for Agatha, but

0:44:39.320 --> 0:44:41.920
<v Speaker 2>actually for Billy because he was in a different body,

0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:44.160
<v Speaker 2>kind of like we saw in Doctor Strange. I think

0:44:44.200 --> 0:44:47.640
<v Speaker 2>they left it open for interpretation. There's lots of interpretation here. Also,

0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:50.200
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Super producer pointed out a great point where she

0:44:50.800 --> 0:44:54.799
<v Speaker 2>what Agatha says to Nick when he's born is I

0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:58.960
<v Speaker 2>spoke no spell, said, no incantation. You were made from scratch.

0:44:59.320 --> 0:45:01.840
<v Speaker 2>So that kind of of implies if it was magic,

0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:05.000
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't necessarily her magic or maybe it really is

0:45:05.040 --> 0:45:08.600
<v Speaker 2>the magic of biology. But even then, the time that

0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:10.839
<v Speaker 2>he was on was obviously stolen time because he could

0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:12.600
<v Speaker 2>never seem to survive.

0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:18.600
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, very very interesting. Who was your MVP in

0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:19.160
<v Speaker 3>this show?

0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:23.600
<v Speaker 1>Wow? I mean, I think it has to be Catherine Hahn,

0:45:23.640 --> 0:45:28.080
<v Speaker 1>who's yeah, managed to walk a line between funny and

0:45:28.160 --> 0:45:34.160
<v Speaker 1>dramatic evil and also the kind of like villain that

0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:35.880
<v Speaker 1>you could that you want to hang out with. And

0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:36.520
<v Speaker 1>I think that's.

0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:38.239
<v Speaker 3>Actually and you want to root for for sure.

0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:41.000
<v Speaker 1>I think that's actually a very very tough thing to do.

0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:45.120
<v Speaker 1>And I think Joe Locke was amazing. I think he's

0:45:45.320 --> 0:45:49.719
<v Speaker 1>just got a presence of perfect Yeah. So I think

0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:52.360
<v Speaker 1>those two, you know, it's hard to go wrong with

0:45:52.440 --> 0:45:54.600
<v Speaker 1>anybody in this cast. Lapone.

0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:57.120
<v Speaker 2>I think that I will say that is that's very true.

0:45:57.320 --> 0:45:58.480
<v Speaker 2>I would have liked to see.

0:45:58.520 --> 0:45:59.719
<v Speaker 1>I would have liked to see more of her. I

0:45:59.719 --> 0:46:01.959
<v Speaker 1>think that a Tower Verse episode is like as good

0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:05.360
<v Speaker 1>as it gets in MCU television. I agree, who is

0:46:05.360 --> 0:46:05.880
<v Speaker 1>your MVP?

0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:09.760
<v Speaker 2>I'll just go I'll go for Aubrey Plaza as Death

0:46:10.000 --> 0:46:13.000
<v Speaker 2>because I think it's fantastic casting. I would have loved

0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:14.759
<v Speaker 2>just every time she was on screen. I wanted to

0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:18.080
<v Speaker 2>see more of her. I feel like she crafted a

0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:24.440
<v Speaker 2>villain that was appealing at first but grew more toxic

0:46:24.600 --> 0:46:26.040
<v Speaker 2>and that I would love to see more of. I

0:46:26.040 --> 0:46:28.080
<v Speaker 2>would see her go to to toe with Thanos, I

0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:30.320
<v Speaker 2>would see her go to to toe with Loki.

0:46:30.400 --> 0:46:32.680
<v Speaker 3>I could also see her become.

0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:35.560
<v Speaker 2>An unexpected ally as it is in the future. So

0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:38.400
<v Speaker 2>because you picked two of the great uh, two of

0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:40.480
<v Speaker 2>the greats, I will add Aubrey in there because and

0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:43.719
<v Speaker 2>also her witch's cackle is is one for the for

0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:47.880
<v Speaker 2>the end. So now that we have Billy, who has

0:46:47.960 --> 0:46:51.000
<v Speaker 2>really been our big missing piece for the Young Avengers,

0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:53.120
<v Speaker 2>how soon do.

0:46:53.120 --> 0:46:55.279
<v Speaker 3>We see them? How likely do you think it is

0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:58.440
<v Speaker 3>that they're going to start seeding that? I do you think?

0:46:58.520 --> 0:47:02.000
<v Speaker 1>I would imagine after this round of twenty twenty five

0:47:02.040 --> 0:47:04.279
<v Speaker 1>stuff that we're going to start seeding that. And I

0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:10.600
<v Speaker 1>would imagine that the Doom stuff, once that culminates, that

0:47:10.680 --> 0:47:12.880
<v Speaker 1>will clear the road for a new Avengers team that

0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:15.960
<v Speaker 1>will be I think we'll get the Young Avengers concurrent

0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:17.040
<v Speaker 1>with the Doom stuff.

0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:19.200
<v Speaker 2>And then yeah, it makes sense if they're going to

0:47:19.239 --> 0:47:22.520
<v Speaker 2>do a secret war style, Yeah, we need multiple.

0:47:22.160 --> 0:47:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Teams and then post Doom, I think the Young Avengers

0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:28.680
<v Speaker 1>take the mantle. But we have them all now we do.

0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:31.160
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, like, who are you most excited?

0:47:31.200 --> 0:47:34.640
<v Speaker 2>I think it's going to be super fun to see

0:47:35.040 --> 0:47:39.239
<v Speaker 2>Billy with Kate Bishop. I think those two will have

0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:42.640
<v Speaker 2>really fun chemistry. I think him and Kamala will have

0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:43.920
<v Speaker 2>really fun chemistry.

0:47:44.080 --> 0:47:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, we don't have we don't have Hulkling.

0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:48.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we don't have Hulkling.

0:47:48.480 --> 0:47:53.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah unless unless Edward that we met in this will

0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:54.960
<v Speaker 2>become Teddy and is Hulkling.

0:47:55.080 --> 0:47:58.600
<v Speaker 1>I feel or of his own. You feel like the

0:47:58.680 --> 0:47:59.680
<v Speaker 1>secret of his own.

0:48:00.200 --> 0:48:02.960
<v Speaker 3>I feel like he looked he looked like good casting.

0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Also, it's tough after post you know, the secret invasion

0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:10.279
<v Speaker 2>of it all. It's kind of it's tough to know,

0:48:10.400 --> 0:48:13.200
<v Speaker 2>like how much more scroll stuff we're going to get,

0:48:13.239 --> 0:48:16.520
<v Speaker 2>But I do believe the the Marvels still gave a

0:48:16.520 --> 0:48:19.919
<v Speaker 2>good space for Scroll cree kind of shenanigans.

0:48:20.320 --> 0:48:22.799
<v Speaker 3>Also, something that is very interesting.

0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:24.799
<v Speaker 2>About the original Young Avengers comics, which we talked about,

0:48:24.920 --> 0:48:27.919
<v Speaker 2>is every character is essentially like a fake out, like.

0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:30.360
<v Speaker 3>You thought they were someone.

0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:34.360
<v Speaker 2>You thought that Billy was like young thor you thought

0:48:34.400 --> 0:48:36.880
<v Speaker 2>that Iron Lad was young iron Man. You thought that

0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:39.480
<v Speaker 2>Hulkling was young Hulk, but they were. They all had

0:48:39.480 --> 0:48:43.080
<v Speaker 2>these kind of secret reveals behind them, so it'll be

0:48:43.080 --> 0:48:45.239
<v Speaker 2>interesting they could do something like that with hulk Ling.

0:48:45.480 --> 0:48:47.480
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I think I expect to see that stuff

0:48:47.520 --> 0:48:51.040
<v Speaker 2>seeded pretty soon, especially because this has been really well received,

0:48:51.640 --> 0:48:54.839
<v Speaker 2>and I think that Joe Locke does feel like, uh

0:48:56.320 --> 0:49:00.360
<v Speaker 2>a kind of immam villany level of oh week, can

0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:04.160
<v Speaker 2>this really could carry the next generation.

0:49:04.080 --> 0:49:06.879
<v Speaker 1>When Wanda comes back. Because she's coming back.

0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:09.520
<v Speaker 3>She's coming back, baby, it's happening.

0:49:10.040 --> 0:49:15.560
<v Speaker 1>How's she gonna feel about Agatha basically becoming a surrogate

0:49:15.680 --> 0:49:16.919
<v Speaker 1>mother to her son.

0:49:17.680 --> 0:49:22.600
<v Speaker 2>I think that she's gonna They're gonna be catti and

0:49:22.680 --> 0:49:25.960
<v Speaker 2>have beef over it at first. I especially think with

0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:30.439
<v Speaker 2>the line where you know, Billy said, she's not my mother.

0:49:30.640 --> 0:49:33.680
<v Speaker 2>I think that's probably what woke Wander up from wherever

0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:36.439
<v Speaker 2>she was. Wander recently was saying on a press tour

0:49:36.600 --> 0:49:38.920
<v Speaker 2>for Love and Death, Elizabeth Olsen was saying, you know,

0:49:38.920 --> 0:49:40.560
<v Speaker 2>if there's a good way to use her, I'm always

0:49:40.560 --> 0:49:43.200
<v Speaker 2>happy to come back. However, they can make it make sense.

0:49:43.239 --> 0:49:45.440
<v Speaker 2>They can make it make sense because you're the scarlet witch. Baby,

0:49:45.440 --> 0:49:49.120
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna happen. I think that she won't like it

0:49:49.200 --> 0:49:52.239
<v Speaker 2>at first. But also there is an echo here of

0:49:52.280 --> 0:49:57.719
<v Speaker 2>like when Agatha was Wonder's mentor in the comics. And

0:49:57.800 --> 0:50:00.480
<v Speaker 2>I also think there's something fun about how a kind

0:50:00.520 --> 0:50:03.040
<v Speaker 2>of ghost character. They could do a lot of fun

0:50:03.080 --> 0:50:06.360
<v Speaker 2>stuff with possession here, very like Bill and Ted's style.

0:50:07.000 --> 0:50:11.040
<v Speaker 2>I will be very interested to see Jack Schaefer give

0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:12.600
<v Speaker 2>her the MCU.

0:50:12.320 --> 0:50:13.000
<v Speaker 3>For a little bit.

0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Come on, guys, especially with Doom. Doom is a magical character. Yeah,

0:50:17.040 --> 0:50:18.600
<v Speaker 2>I have a note we need her.

0:50:19.239 --> 0:50:24.680
<v Speaker 1>I do have a note regarding the MCU's uh, you know,

0:50:24.920 --> 0:50:31.760
<v Speaker 1>burgeoning magic worlds. Do we need a little bit more

0:50:33.320 --> 0:50:34.759
<v Speaker 1>of a system because it.

0:50:34.719 --> 0:50:36.840
<v Speaker 3>Feels I think we need magic systems.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels it feels a little too loose, like anything

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<v Speaker 1>can happen. And I get it with Billy. It made

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<v Speaker 1>sense with Billy and Wanda because they were not in control,

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<v Speaker 1>so they didn't understand what they were capable.

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<v Speaker 3>But the other witch's powers just look kind of similar.

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<v Speaker 1>Yea necessarily rule and it's hard to know what they

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<v Speaker 1>can do, what they can't do, what the stakes are

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<v Speaker 1>when they when it's kind of like this ruless, formless thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I do hope as we get more magic characters,

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<v Speaker 1>the Hood is a as a magical character, although we

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<v Speaker 1>don't place that don't know, we don't know, if you

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<v Speaker 1>see that feels like a good.

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<v Speaker 3>Place to set up a system. Yeah, where the magic

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<v Speaker 3>systems are fun and it.

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<v Speaker 1>Gives you some idea of like what's going on, what

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<v Speaker 1>a character's cable I do. I did feel towards the

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<v Speaker 1>back end of this series like I would love to

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<v Speaker 1>know what the limits are a little bit because it

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<v Speaker 1>feels a little too mushy right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree, especially when you start seeing

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<v Speaker 2>all the witches using the power and they all look

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<v Speaker 2>exactly the same. I'm yeah, I would love to see

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<v Speaker 2>some magic systems coming in because also those are so

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<v Speaker 2>fun to talk about and how do they work and

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<v Speaker 2>who is powered, especially in a world where we have

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<v Speaker 2>like systems for the mutants and different ways that people

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<v Speaker 2>get powers that are superpowers. Yeah, I'm I'm definitely very interested.

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<v Speaker 3>Good.

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron put another great point here, which is like nice

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<v Speaker 2>that they didn't end in a big, messy CG battle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm glad that the something that was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more fun didn't feel the name.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just thought this was a great show and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very excited to see what comes next. What is

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<v Speaker 2>the next EMCU project, like live Action MCU project.

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<v Speaker 3>Is there a movie.

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<v Speaker 2>In the next Yeah, I'm like, Oh, Captain America Brave

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<v Speaker 2>New World in February fifteenth.

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<v Speaker 1>Question Mark because it it feels like question Mark. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>just because that movie there's been so many rewrites and

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<v Speaker 1>reshoots and every.

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<v Speaker 2>Loss of controversy and all the testing has been bad

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<v Speaker 2>like and continues to be bad, and so I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>let's see, yea, let's see what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>I would be that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say this is an out there swing, and

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<v Speaker 2>I hope this doesn't have this kind of stuff really

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<v Speaker 2>hard for people who are working on the movies. But

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<v Speaker 2>I could see a world where that date is switched

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<v Speaker 2>with the Thunderbolts date, because Thunderbolts is meant to be

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<v Speaker 2>the big Free Comic Book Day movie May two, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five. I'm guessing that they put Captain America Brave

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<v Speaker 2>New World in February because they want to do Black

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<v Speaker 2>History Month for Black Captain America with Sam Wilson. But

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't I wouldn't be shocked if those were switched, because

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<v Speaker 2>I do think that Julena is very much in that

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<v Speaker 2>young Avenger's mindset, and it seems like Thunderbolts has been

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<v Speaker 2>done for a while. It will be interesting to see,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's very interesting that basically none of those projects

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<v Speaker 2>are tonally akin to this at all now, So we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be ending on this high and then we're

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<v Speaker 2>probably not going to be seeing anything similar to this

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<v Speaker 2>till maybe June next year with Ironheart.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you this, maybe if we get a

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<v Speaker 1>young Avengers team who Stark obviously not here anymore, so

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<v Speaker 1>who who who has the power to bestow the Avengers

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<v Speaker 1>title on a person now? Because that's unclear to me.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, I think they would probably do something

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<v Speaker 2>along the line. They will probably go the emotional route,

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<v Speaker 2>which is like Pepper is actually the one who says

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<v Speaker 2>you're them the key and says you're on the team.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe they would even have Morgan show up to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of get more of that emotional vibe. But also I

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<v Speaker 2>think really you're looking at kind of Bruce Banner and

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Strange, those are probably your.

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<v Speaker 3>Your older Avengers.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, maybe they would call in somebody like Valkyrie and Thor,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's more of a kind of like group from

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<v Speaker 2>around the galaxy, kind of bringing in different people. But

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<v Speaker 2>you do raise a good point. With Tony Stark not there,

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<v Speaker 2>it's harder to have somebody say, well, I will say,

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<v Speaker 2>I will say there is a Robert Downey Junior character

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<v Speaker 2>who will be coming in who's known.

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<v Speaker 3>For Mackie Avellian choices.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe there is some world where this is like

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<v Speaker 2>Doom's Avengers, and and that would actually kind of make

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<v Speaker 2>sense with Yolena is an assassin, Kate Bishop is essentially

0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:17.799
<v Speaker 2>like a rogue hero. Kam La Khan is a great

0:55:17.960 --> 0:55:20.040
<v Speaker 2>good girl, but she would probably do anything for someone

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<v Speaker 2>who looked like Tony Stark.

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<v Speaker 3>But Billy is.

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<v Speaker 2>Technically a killer. So maybe there's a world where they

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<v Speaker 2>play on that. But I think you raise a very

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<v Speaker 2>interesting point, and how they do that is gonna be key.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Robert Downey Junior is back in the space, so

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps he just records like a classic Tony Stark video message,

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<v Speaker 2>I have been watching you for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>I program my my AI to be me, so now I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Just I'm a guy in a box.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Rody is involved you know he is Tony's best friend.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I think you raise a very good point

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<v Speaker 2>and it's gonna be very interesting to see where this

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<v Speaker 2>all lead.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. Coming up next week on X ray Vision, we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about our other favorite streaming show, Pengwine. Hey the Penguin.

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<v Speaker 1>what do you do?

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<v Speaker 3>Just be chilling? What do you do? We'll tell you

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<v Speaker 3>what we do.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening.

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