Speaker 1: Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for episodes eight and nine,
Speaker 1: the double finale of Agatha All Along on the Disney
Speaker 1: Plus Television network. Hello, I've Jason Gittepcio and on Wedesday Night,
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Speaker 2: In today's episode, Oh, It's a marvel Day, a marvelous
Speaker 2: day for Marvel News. Previously on we will be talking
Speaker 2: about that Marvel Studios look ahead preview which was honestly
Speaker 2: a bit of a surprise drop that lots of fun
Speaker 2: things to talk about. And in the airlock, of course,
Speaker 2: we will be going down the Witches Road for the
Speaker 2: final time to talk about Agatha All Along episodes eight
Speaker 2: and nine.
Speaker 1: First up, News, and let's talk about that look ahead
Speaker 1: that was attached to the top of the Agatha finale
Speaker 1: and has a lot of really fun stuff in it,
Speaker 1: starting with little Deadpool and Wolverine drop in which Marvel says, Hey,
Speaker 1: remember us, remember when you said we couldn't do hit
Speaker 1: movies anymore.
Speaker 3: Remember when we made a billion.
Speaker 1: Super You're fatigued? Guess what we're back?
Speaker 2: And this is like guaranteed it's gonna be hitting Disney
Speaker 2: Plus on November twelfth. Expect to hear all kinds of wild,
Speaker 2: hyperbolic numbers coming out from what Disney says this will
Speaker 2: be watched. But I will say, as somebody who has
Speaker 2: a ten year old nephew, this.
Speaker 3: Will be watched lot this holiday period.
Speaker 2: You every ten, eleven, twelve year old whose parents wouldn't
Speaker 2: take them to see how the cinema, they are going
Speaker 2: to be watching this so many times. You are going
Speaker 2: to be hearing so much Deadpool and Wolverine Law in
Speaker 2: your house during this holiday period. So if you listen
Speaker 2: to this podcast, you can go back listen to some
Speaker 2: episodes and sound like an expert when you go for
Speaker 2: a family dinner and everyone's.
Speaker 3: Like, who's lady Deadpool? And we will be able to
Speaker 3: tell you.
Speaker 1: Next up coming out December twenty second is the third
Speaker 1: season of Marvel's animated What If series, after what I
Speaker 1: think was a second season that some felt was a
Speaker 1: little bit of a step down from a foot down
Speaker 1: looks fun, looks fun. Interested, It is certainly interested. Next up,
Speaker 1: Your friendly Neighborhood Spider Man from Marvel Animation January. Looks
Speaker 1: really fun. We have some your punk action, you have
Speaker 1: some it looks really.
Speaker 3: Just looks so good.
Speaker 2: You've got some of the crew, Yeah, Jeff Treumael from
Speaker 2: Jeff Treumael from.
Speaker 3: Craig of the Creek on this.
Speaker 2: So I'm sure it's going to be a really fun view,
Speaker 2: very fun, kind of rotoscope ish.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Spider versus s.
Speaker 1: It's very like a Spider Man and his amazing friends
Speaker 1: callback to that kind of style. Hannah Barbara ish, I'm
Speaker 1: very excited.
Speaker 2: Looks like he's going to have a crew and a team,
Speaker 2: which we always love to see. I'm excited for this
Speaker 2: great start to the new year. We're getting that early
Speaker 2: January twenty fifth.
Speaker 1: Next up Marvel Television's Darrell Will Board Again marched Forth
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, the highly anticipated adaptation question Mark of
Speaker 1: the famous Frank Miller David MASSUCHELLI run on Daredevil and
Speaker 1: not much as say other than it looks. It actually
Speaker 1: looks really really beautif.
Speaker 3: For beautifully shot.
Speaker 2: Looks like whatever they decided to do to add because
Speaker 2: you know, they had to reshoot and everything.
Speaker 3: It looks like it was worth while.
Speaker 1: Next up, Rary Williams enters Marvel's television universe June twenty
Speaker 1: four to twenty twenty five. She's flipping over cars, she's
Speaker 1: flying around, she's having a fantastic time in her homemade
Speaker 1: power armor.
Speaker 2: And she's talking to the Hood, who we get to
Speaker 2: see for the first time.
Speaker 3: Anthony Ramos.
Speaker 2: Looks like it's gonna be a very fun kind of
Speaker 2: magic versus science story.
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see that. Action looks great. Nice new
Speaker 3: suit here looks great.
Speaker 1: I'm very excited to bring on the Hood to enter
Speaker 1: the MC You not only that, but I do wonder
Speaker 1: if any of the armor war stuff is going to
Speaker 1: get put into here.
Speaker 3: I feel like it has to write.
Speaker 2: I feel like this has to seed armas at least
Speaker 2: if the movie is still happening.
Speaker 3: Fingers crossed.
Speaker 1: If next up, Eyes of Wakanda August sixth, twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: looks I mean, it looks great. I'm very excited. Marble
Speaker 1: animation different.
Speaker 2: Animation style than what If and what we're about to
Speaker 2: talk about that's coming up, So I'm interested in that excited.
Speaker 3: Bran Coogler he rarely misses. So let's see it.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be Summer of Wakonda apparently August six five.
Speaker 1: Next up, Halloween twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: You can't wait for it.
Speaker 1: It's Marvel Zombies from Marvel Animals. Folks. Take them out
Speaker 1: of the what if, give them their own little thing.
Speaker 1: Who doesn't love zombies?
Speaker 3: You're gonna love it.
Speaker 1: Little spooky kids are gonna love Here come the Zombies. Halloween,
Speaker 1: October twenty twenty fifth. Then finally December twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Who for hollyw It's everybody's favorite struggling actor and one
Speaker 1: hundred class strength superhero filled with strange energy. It's Simon
Speaker 1: Williams wonder Man original live action series Boys to launch
Speaker 1: the career of everybody's favorite actor, Avenger Simon Williams. And
Speaker 1: there's a appears to be a pretty wonderful cameo in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like maybe even a main role for Trevor,
Speaker 2: for Trevor of from Iron Man fame.
Speaker 1: Everybody's a favorite actor, come terrorist. He wasn't really a terrorist,
Speaker 1: he was just pretending terrorist. But still I love having
Speaker 1: Trevor around. And yeah, I have to say this looked
Speaker 1: fun from what we saw.
Speaker 2: It looks fun, and I love the aspect that Simon
Speaker 2: Williams is reading for wonder Man. Yes, that's the level
Speaker 2: of meta that this series needs to be. And I
Speaker 2: think with Trevor in that, I think it's gonna have
Speaker 2: like she Hulk vibes comedy vibe. So yes, I have
Speaker 2: to say I thought that this was a really really
Speaker 2: strong little tease from Marvel.
Speaker 3: Do I worry?
Speaker 2: I worry a little bit that they're trying to they're
Speaker 2: gonna overload twenty twenty five, which was a problem they
Speaker 2: had in the past. Maybe, but you know what, these
Speaker 2: are TV projects, that's right, and I think there's a
Speaker 2: mixture for them to be enjoyed.
Speaker 1: It's a mixed animation, mix of animation and live action,
Speaker 1: so it's not like we're throwing everything into TV, uh,
Speaker 1: live action TV. And so I should also share your concern,
Speaker 1: But I think that certainly appears like the current Marvel
Speaker 1: strategy is more selective, and these all seem like fine
Speaker 1: selections to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks good.
Speaker 1: Next up, we're stepping out of the airlock to talk
Speaker 1: a season finale a Magatha along. Yeah, I Guessa all
Speaker 1: along Episode eight, follow Me My Friend to Glory to
Speaker 1: the end. We open on Alice. She did she's dead
Speaker 1: on the floor. A couple couple trials back. You remember
Speaker 1: that trial and the scary Slasher cabin. While she's there,
Speaker 1: she's dead, she repeated. She feels a cold hand with
Speaker 1: long black it is sexy cress her face. It's death.
Speaker 1: It's Rio. She's saying, you got to come with me,
Speaker 1: because guess what, you're dead looking down there.
Speaker 3: That's your body.
Speaker 1: Alice is like, what, I just lifted the curse and
Speaker 1: I was gonna get on with my life and I
Speaker 1: don't have more time, Like this is it? I'm done?
Speaker 1: And she's like yeah, it's like you're a protection witch,
Speaker 1: right and you protected and then you died, So let's
Speaker 1: get out of here. By they leave, we pick up
Speaker 1: from the previous episode. Right after Lily the tower and
Speaker 1: sacrifices herself. Jen is pounding on the door trying to
Speaker 1: get Lily to come out. Already out of the road,
Speaker 1: Agatha is just running, running, running, running. She runs into Rio,
Speaker 1: and let me tell you, Rio is having a fucking
Speaker 1: great day. She's stacked.
Speaker 3: Death is just that's when it's on the road.
Speaker 1: Today day. We got Alice, a little while back, we
Speaker 1: got Lilia, we got the Salem seven, all in one
Speaker 1: big bunch. That's eight. And now she's just she's just delighted.
Speaker 1: She understands now Death does that. Agatha has been hiding
Speaker 1: Billy from her, feels protective about Billy because of the
Speaker 1: whole thing with Nick and her son. Will get we
Speaker 1: will get more explanation to that, but we know that
Speaker 1: by now, uh, he should be dead, Death says, and
Speaker 1: Death finds that really terrible, Like, you can't cheat Death,
Speaker 1: can't teach cheat me. That's not the natural order of things.
Speaker 1: Agatha says, you know, she's very again, very protective of him,
Speaker 1: and Rio says, listen, you've getting preferential treatment for a
Speaker 1: long time. You've been cheating death yourself, Agatha. True, and
Speaker 1: we need that to come to an end. I know
Speaker 1: why you tried to trick me, because of your feelings
Speaker 1: about Nick and all of that, and that makes Agatha
Speaker 1: really upset. We go back to Billy and Jen and
Speaker 1: they're talking about Lily's sacrifice and Jen is kind of
Speaker 1: mind blown that, uh, you know, Rio is Death and
Speaker 1: they're like, where is Agatha. She's out arguing with death.
Speaker 1: They have this long they have this long history of
Speaker 1: this long relationship which we will find more about in
Speaker 1: the following episode. Not only is Billy an abomination, Rio says,
Speaker 1: but the thing he wants is going to like double
Speaker 1: the abomination because and he can do it. He's done
Speaker 1: it himself. He can do it for his brain because
Speaker 1: Tommy shouldn't exist also, and then he's going to steal
Speaker 1: a life and come back and that's ridiculous. So Rio says, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's what's going to happen. Billy already stole a life.
Speaker 1: I can't let him steal one for Tommy. So we
Speaker 1: have to figure something out. I was like, well, why
Speaker 1: don't you just get your big scythe out and.
Speaker 3: Reap Billy be reph not just be the reaper and
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 1: And then she's like, oh, you can't, you can't. And
Speaker 1: we figure out that, uh, you know, every time Billy dies,
Speaker 1: he's just gonna reincarnate, and that's just going to continue
Speaker 1: to cheat death. Further, Rio says, what she needs in
Speaker 1: order to really get that soul is Billy needs to
Speaker 1: surrender himself to death and that will break the cycle.
Speaker 1: And Aga is like, Okay, if I do that, will
Speaker 1: you stop stalking me? And because the vibe you get
Speaker 1: is that while there is tremendous passion between these two,
Speaker 1: it's also like very unhealthy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they definitely did have a relationship at one point,
Speaker 2: but it has not been It's consential on both sides
Speaker 2: for a long time, like death is obsessed.
Speaker 1: It's doctors now, yes, And so they make that deal
Speaker 1: Billy's surrendering. Agatha will trick him into surrendering somehow, and
Speaker 1: in exchange, Rio will leave Agatha alone for the rest
Speaker 1: of her life until she dies. And even when she dies.
Speaker 3: She won't she doesn't want.
Speaker 1: To see her, she won't show her face. Jen and
Speaker 1: Billy walk and talk about Rio and Agatha, and Agatha
Speaker 1: overhears them and then says scolds them basically, and it's like,
Speaker 1: we need to continue the journey. There's one more trial left.
Speaker 1: Problem is it's earth magic and they're Greenwitch is death
Speaker 1: and she's gone. Now can Jen handle it? Agathus is
Speaker 1: like really actually mean to Jen, is like, why you know,
Speaker 1: I can't believe that you're one of the last ones
Speaker 1: left and who would have thought? Like you're kind of
Speaker 1: the most powerless against us, you know, the most powerless
Speaker 1: of us currently in the coven. And then she trips
Speaker 1: over a pair of shoes and they realize that they've
Speaker 1: come back to where they started. These are the shoes
Speaker 1: they took off when they walk the road. The road
Speaker 1: is a circle. So where's the last trial? No one knows. Agatha,
Speaker 1: who has been saying that she's been on the road
Speaker 1: and is the only one to walk the enemy, clearly
Speaker 1: has never been here before because.
Speaker 3: She has never been it. She's like, what is going on?
Speaker 1: Yes, Jen is very very sad, which is a natural
Speaker 1: response at seeing their dead friends now empty footwear, and
Speaker 1: Agatha's like, Okay, fuck it, let's just go around again.
Speaker 1: Jenn's like, no fucking way, I'm not going around.
Speaker 3: Again, and Billy's like, fuck this. We took the shoes
Speaker 3: off because.
Speaker 2: We respected the road, so I'm putting my shoes back
Speaker 2: on to disrespect the road.
Speaker 1: Everything goes black and they all emerge from body bags
Speaker 1: in a morgue. This is the final trial. There's lights
Speaker 1: on the ceiling, which Jen notices that are there grow
Speaker 1: lights like in a greenhouse or in a indoor weed operation.
Speaker 1: That's very weird. Agatha realizes all their stuff is in
Speaker 1: the body bags with them. Jen puzzles it out. She
Speaker 1: really wants to solve this puzzle and save Agatha Billy
Speaker 1: so she can get her power back. But Billy points
Speaker 1: out that you already saved us. You know, you saved
Speaker 1: Agatha from the poison, you saved me previously, and maybe
Speaker 1: you have your magic already, maybe like you don't need
Speaker 1: to get it back. So Jen is now wondering, man,
Speaker 1: maybe that spooky doctor at Boston didn't actually take my
Speaker 1: magic hundred years ago, and that rings a bell for
Speaker 1: Agatho who realizes guess what she was the spooky doctor
Speaker 1: who stole Jen's magic or bound her up, so she
Speaker 1: gathered Jen.
Speaker 2: It seems like she was binding witches as a way
Speaker 2: to like un money and maybe like move any kind
Speaker 2: of witch suspicion away from That's how.
Speaker 3: Jen's kind of Jen's pitch.
Speaker 1: She's pissed, but she's also kind of lucky that that Agatha,
Speaker 1: as we will see in the next episode, wasn't doing
Speaker 1: the other thing that she was doing for many years,
Speaker 1: which is which is serial killing witches. We'll get to
Speaker 1: that later. Jen does an unbinding spell on Agatha and
Speaker 1: it works. Jen has power back up, and she disappears.
Speaker 1: She leaves the road. She's gone. Good for her. Agatha
Speaker 1: is like, yep, she got what she wanted from the
Speaker 1: road and she's out of here. Billy and Agatha argue
Speaker 1: about what Agatha really wants, which he's really up to.
Speaker 1: He suspects she wants to take his power. Meanwhile, up
Speaker 1: on the ceiling, the puzzle countdown lights are slowly turning off.
Speaker 1: Agatha tells Billy that Rio is really upset about the
Speaker 1: Tommy thing. Billy says, like, I don't even know how
Speaker 1: I did it. This is clearly like motherlike son, where
Speaker 1: they just don't have.
Speaker 3: They don't really have any control over at this.
Speaker 1: Point, they don't have enough. They have some, but not enough.
Speaker 1: And AGAs is like, okay, well, let's work through this.
Speaker 1: Tell me your last memories of Tommy, and she puts
Speaker 1: him into a kind of like hypnotic state where he's
Speaker 1: remembering falling asleep with Billy and and she begins to
Speaker 1: regulate his breathing like breathing time with his breathing, and
Speaker 1: she wants uh Billy to find Tommy, find him as
Speaker 1: their mother Wanda was in that moment, was folding space,
Speaker 1: and they were beginning to disappear, and Billy sees a vision,
Speaker 1: has a vision of a boy dying, drowning as his
Speaker 1: friends watch, and uh, he realizes that maybe he can
Speaker 1: put Tommy's soul into this body, like his soul.
Speaker 2: Yes, like find a dead pass and just do it.
Speaker 3: Find somebody who's gonna die. But then he's like, wait
Speaker 3: a minute, am I killing? Would he have died before?
Speaker 1: And that's a that's the mark of a good person.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Billy for not wanting to kill somebody. So
Speaker 1: Billy wants to know if he's the one killing the boy,
Speaker 1: and as he voices this, we come back to the
Speaker 1: room and Billy has disappeared, and Agatha has just there alone,
Speaker 1: and she says in a very sad way that sometimes
Speaker 1: boys die. She opens up her locket she pulls out
Speaker 1: Nick's hair and there's like a little seed, a little
Speaker 1: dandelion seed behind it. She touches it to her tiar
Speaker 1: and then plants it in some dirt that was like
Speaker 1: where Billy was sitting, and a dandelion grows and the
Speaker 1: dirt starts pouring into the room. Agatha, initially happy that
Speaker 1: the dandelight is growing is now sad because she's being
Speaker 1: buried alive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, She's like, I just didn't go to She.
Speaker 1: Emerges from her Westview basement out into her backyard to
Speaker 1: Rio laughing at her, and Agatha is really upset. She's like,
Speaker 1: I did my end of the deal. I got Billy
Speaker 1: to like die basically to surrender herself to the void,
Speaker 1: and so now you should be leaving me alone. And
Speaker 1: Rio's like, no, you didn't because he was supposed to
Speaker 1: come with me. You're supposed to like take him to me,
Speaker 1: and then he would greed.
Speaker 2: And it was also like I'm I made it to
Speaker 2: the end of the road. Where's my power?
Speaker 3: Power?
Speaker 1: Stuff? So then Rio's like shut up and begins just
Speaker 1: torturing her, like throw She's like I'm gonna kill your
Speaker 1: going broken glass in her face and doing all this
Speaker 1: terrible stuff and the very toxic relationships, very very toxic. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: all the residents of West v are like, here we
Speaker 1: fucking go again.
Speaker 2: This Yeah, because she's on the roof laughing like a
Speaker 2: wicked witch in the west and everyone's like, oh god again,
Speaker 2: like more witches.
Speaker 1: So just as Rio is about to like do the
Speaker 1: killing blow on Agatha, something knocks her away and it's wicked, wicking,
Speaker 1: full wicked costume. He flies in to the rescue and
Speaker 1: he's like, okay, Agatha, I'm gonna power. I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you some juice, just don't take it all. And so
Speaker 1: he gives her a little juice, but then he's like
Speaker 1: giving her more juice, and then he's like, no.
Speaker 2: She's considering taking it. Like he's very close.
Speaker 1: He's his face is starting to look, you know, dried
Speaker 1: up and desiccated, and he's he can't really stop juicinger.
Speaker 1: He's very reliant on her deciding Okay, that's enough, and
Speaker 1: it seems like Billy's gonna die. But then she's like, okay,
Speaker 1: that's enough. I'm not gonna take any more.
Speaker 3: I'm juiced.
Speaker 1: I'm juiced. Rio comes out and says, well, here's the
Speaker 1: new deal. If one of you comes with me, the
Speaker 1: other one can live whatever. Rio bats away, Wickan and
Speaker 1: Agatha and Rio go to to toe for a while.
Speaker 1: Billy comes out knocks Rio for a loop. Again. Agatha
Speaker 1: and Billy have a conversation and she's like, I should
Speaker 1: go with Rio, like I'll be the one that does it,
Speaker 1: and this genuine there really is actual. But then Billy
Speaker 1: moved by Agatha's selfless sacrifice, so no, no, no, no, I
Speaker 1: will I'll do it.
Speaker 3: It's my.
Speaker 1: Just and she's like yeah, and she's like, go ahead
Speaker 1: and see you, Billy. Rio put my yard back the
Speaker 1: way it was. The propertys tout a bad en off already, yeah,
Speaker 1: make it nice, and Billy is like, how dare you
Speaker 1: dupe me? And then he calls out to her with
Speaker 1: his thoughts. He's like, you can hear me, I know
Speaker 1: you can hear me, and he says, is this how
Speaker 1: Nicky died?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Did you trade your son for power? And Agatha is
Speaker 1: so genuinely distressed and heartbroken that someone would think this
Speaker 1: that she changes her mind and kisses Rio passionately on
Speaker 1: the mouth, and then finally then she falls slowly dead,
Speaker 1: decays fun guy cover her body a beautiful shaft of
Speaker 1: sunlight on the grave. Rio watches all this happen and
Speaker 1: then Rio's like you can go, Billy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, She's like, bye, We're done.
Speaker 1: Billy walks to his William Kaplan superroof forester and drives incredible.
Speaker 3: In the full costume, like in the full wicking.
Speaker 2: Costume, like looking like he's going to.
Speaker 1: Have He's got their faces bloody.
Speaker 3: And everyone in west who's looking at him like, oh,
Speaker 3: what's going on? And he's just like I'm getting in
Speaker 3: my supero forest.
Speaker 1: Of course, the Caplains are very upset that their son
Speaker 1: has been gone for twenty four hours, no phone.
Speaker 2: Twenty four interesting, Yeah, is that the whole time that
Speaker 2: they were on the road in the entire time?
Speaker 1: That wow. But apparently he manages to just talk his
Speaker 1: way into letting him just like, he give me a minute,
Speaker 1: He goes up, he takes a shower, ghosters room and
Speaker 1: if you go on episode seven was a usual Suspects
Speaker 1: type vib Guess what he just got it? Guess this
Speaker 1: is what we were right?
Speaker 3: Is it not? M hm? So I do believe we
Speaker 3: definitely talked about it. Joelle was a big proponent of this.
Speaker 2: It's been a big talking point in our discord. There
Speaker 2: was a conversation and I am very interested in this
Speaker 2: because I think it's an exceptionally cool idea and it's
Speaker 2: even more uncontrolled than Wonder because he has no ideas,
Speaker 2: whereas Wonder had some idea.
Speaker 1: Now maybe with practice, you know, he can develop these things.
Speaker 1: But he's a scary guy right now. Anyway, William begins,
Speaker 1: Billy begins looking around his room, and he starts to
Speaker 1: realize that everything that they encountered on the road has
Speaker 1: a reference point on his wall. The Luna wood shadowing
Speaker 1: and the Wizard of Ours figurines are the picture of
Speaker 1: a of a beachside scene with a beautiful little beach house.
Speaker 1: All this stuffs.
Speaker 2: Shoeses like the empty shoes and everything in the room
Speaker 2: is now clearly a touch point for what inspired his
Speaker 2: magic to craft and bring the road to life. That
Speaker 2: is the thing I will say that I think it's
Speaker 2: slightly different about the theories that were going around. The
Speaker 2: idea that Billy essentially like created Hex's magic like West
Speaker 2: for you to make a fake world is not necessarily
Speaker 2: what we learn. It's more that he created a real
Speaker 2: version of the Witch's Roads that had never existed, which
Speaker 2: I think is very interesting.
Speaker 1: Yes, the never existed part, I think is uh is important.
Speaker 1: He yeah, so uh, he's blown away by this that he.
Speaker 3: Did finds the weija board.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really he did this Where he starts to see.
Speaker 1: And it starts to really like you know, sink in,
Speaker 1: like Lily is dead, Alice is dead, he did this,
Speaker 1: and just as he is kind of trying to piece
Speaker 1: the shards of his mind back together, he hears a
Speaker 1: sound behind him say, boom yeah. We go to the
Speaker 1: next episode, Mother Crone Maiden Mother Crone. We open on
Speaker 1: seventeen fifty, the year seventeen fifty. Agatha is running through
Speaker 1: the wood. She is very, very pregnant. She leans against
Speaker 1: a tree. She's trying to give birth, but then Rio
Speaker 1: shows up. It's like, Nope, this is not going to happen,
Speaker 1: and this is the moment. This is the choice, and
Speaker 1: we see the choice and what Agatha essentially chooses, and
Speaker 1: what Rio offers her is time with her child, who
Speaker 1: will be Nick, but only a period of time, and
Speaker 1: she won't tell Agatha how long do you think.
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure in that moment if this was a
Speaker 2: predetermined choice, or if it was just you're having a
Speaker 2: baby in the seventeen fifties and that baby's gonna die
Speaker 2: and so so Death showed.
Speaker 3: Up and was like, the baby's gonna die.
Speaker 2: But because she likes Agatha, she was like, I can
Speaker 2: offer you time, but I can't take him, not take him.
Speaker 1: I think what happened. It's a good question I think
Speaker 1: what's happening is that Nick is not a real child.
Speaker 1: In that I think Nick is also created by magic.
Speaker 1: I think Agatha created Nick by magic, which you want
Speaker 1: to have a child, she didn't want to. She didn't
Speaker 1: there were no men that met her standards, which I.
Speaker 3: Get it, Yes, so she created it.
Speaker 1: So she created him from magic. And I think Rio
Speaker 1: Death was like, no, no, no, you can't do that.
Speaker 1: That's a no no. But because I love you, I'll
Speaker 1: give you. I'll give you time.
Speaker 3: I think you're right, that's absolutely what it is.
Speaker 1: So and I think and I think the name lets
Speaker 1: you know that this is what happened. Scratch created from scratch, nixt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she even I think she even says that to him,
Speaker 2: And I mean it's it's essentially yeah, like Anakin forced
Speaker 2: baby vibes. You know, she created this baby from magic. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Billy and Tommy like, you know, it's that Wonder with's
Speaker 2: what Wonder says to Strange where he's like, you created
Speaker 2: them from magic, and she's like, that's what all mothers do. Yeah,
Speaker 2: isn't that what all mothers do? And then we get
Speaker 2: it here.
Speaker 3: Also, I think a.
Speaker 2: Very interesting kind of nod to the nature of magic
Speaker 2: in the MCU as something that has been around for
Speaker 2: a lot longer. And we get that note from Chen
Speaker 2: about how the old you know, Rio said she's the
Speaker 2: green Witch and death is about this constant cycle of
Speaker 2: life and birth and decay, and obviously creating a baby
Speaker 2: from scratch of magic means that you would be evading that.
Speaker 2: So I think, I think you're right. And I loved
Speaker 2: kind of med evil, uh Rio. She looked so great
Speaker 2: in that costume, and she also looked so heartbroken to
Speaker 2: do her job, which you know, was to reap the
Speaker 2: unnatural baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Agatha then walks through the she's walking through
Speaker 1: the woods with her baby. She comes across a coven.
Speaker 1: They're doing which stuff in the woods? Long story protection?
Speaker 1: This is they got protection stones, yes, and long story short,
Speaker 1: Agatha talks her way in and she kills them, steals
Speaker 1: their power six years past, clearly of doing this on
Speaker 1: a regular basis.
Speaker 3: Oh, this is that whole life.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And and what we've the pattern they've fallen into
Speaker 1: is young Nick goes into whatever town or villages nearby
Speaker 1: and looks sad and will lure a.
Speaker 3: Witch which tends to be sickly.
Speaker 1: She has to be sickly, a witch will come and
Speaker 1: offer him help, and then he will lead that witch
Speaker 1: back to Agatha, who will kill that witch and then
Speaker 1: steal their power and then use that power to nourish Nick.
Speaker 3: Okay, so my I did think that. My odd thing
Speaker 3: is I wonder.
Speaker 2: If if she keeps giving bodies to Rio then Rio
Speaker 2: doesn't come off.
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's part of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the night they don't kill someone, that's when
Speaker 2: Nick dies the next day. So I definitely think it's connected.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's part of it. Uh. That said, despite
Speaker 1: this ghulish existence, mother and son have a wonderful relationship.
Speaker 1: They hang out in the woods. She does magic tricks
Speaker 1: for him. She can do everything for him except make
Speaker 1: him a plate of food and feed him because he
Speaker 1: can't eat.
Speaker 2: He can't doesn't seem like he can eat. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: has natural food.
Speaker 1: He has to survive on this magic that she steals,
Speaker 1: and she only has an unknown amount of time with
Speaker 1: him again until Rio comes back.
Speaker 3: And we learn like while they walk around the woods,
Speaker 3: we learned that it's Nick who created the Witch's Road
Speaker 3: song because he started it off by singing down.
Speaker 1: Over the years.
Speaker 2: Down the winding road and eventually it would kind of
Speaker 2: change into this song that became a calling card that
Speaker 2: would become part of their con.
Speaker 1: Well, sure, he probably wrote the song, but I think
Speaker 1: the story of like, oh yeah, there's this road, there's
Speaker 1: this magic road that was clearly going to be Agathas.
Speaker 1: That's Agathas dud don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think that.
Speaker 2: I think that the two of them made the song together,
Speaker 2: like a lullaby to sing while they were just wandering
Speaker 2: around and doing this. And I think it was only
Speaker 2: after when, only when she realized that it appealed to
Speaker 2: other witches, that she then took a bontage of it.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was necessarily created that way. I
Speaker 2: think the creation was relatively pure between the two of them,
Speaker 2: but then she saw that people started to hear it
Speaker 2: and think, oh, this must be real, and that would
Speaker 2: draw more witches to the power of them.
Speaker 1: I think it's actually I think you're right, but I
Speaker 1: actually think it's significantly more ghoulish than that. I think
Speaker 1: what happened is they're singing this song, witches do come
Speaker 1: and talk to to Nick. Then those witches disappear. Then
Speaker 1: Agatha says, oh, they walk the road.
Speaker 3: They walked the witches.
Speaker 1: Oh, they walked the witches road, and they just didn't
Speaker 1: come back. And that's what it is, you know, if
Speaker 1: you want to walk the child is very dagous women
Speaker 1: in that path.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's bleak and I love it.
Speaker 1: It's and then it became this legend amongst witches, which
Speaker 1: is really fucked up. So anyway, in the meantime, mother
Speaker 1: and son spend this wonderful time out in you know,
Speaker 1: pre America, North America, in this wonderful Terrence Malick like
Speaker 1: cinematography and Nick. We see Nick later on singing this
Speaker 1: the Ballad of the Road in a public house. Uh,
Speaker 1: and a witch comes up and offers Nick help again here.
Speaker 2: And she.
Speaker 3: Where did you hear something range song?
Speaker 2: Like, there's a moment here where I feel like Nick
Speaker 2: realizes that could be like an uncovering or an interest
Speaker 2: or something that would connect with these witches even more
Speaker 2: about the song, and he's like, no, I'm fine, i
Speaker 2: gotta go home.
Speaker 1: So clearly by this point there is like a there
Speaker 1: is like a legend of this song by now. So yeah,
Speaker 1: Nick is like no, even though he looks terribly like
Speaker 1: wan and pale and needs sustenance. He says no because
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to kill anyone, and as he and
Speaker 1: his mom are walking away, actually, when she finds him
Speaker 1: in the woods later, he's basically saying, hey, can we
Speaker 1: do why do we have to keep doing this? Like
Speaker 1: we can kill it just tomorrow. I don't want to
Speaker 1: do it today, and Agasa is like fine. They fall
Speaker 1: asleep and in the night, Rio comes calls Nick over
Speaker 1: to him, and when Agatha wakes up in the warning
Speaker 1: Nick is dead, she's very, very sad. She buries him.
Speaker 1: She sings and weeps over the grave, and then the
Speaker 1: witch from that bar that heard the song comes over
Speaker 1: and she's like because Agatha was singing it over the grave,
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, I heard you singing that song.
Speaker 1: I have desperate need of to walk the Witch's road
Speaker 1: because I need I need something from the Wish's road,
Speaker 1: and if you will show me the way of the road,
Speaker 1: I would be so pleased. Of course, Agatha says. So.
Speaker 1: Aga says, first step, we need a coven, So they
Speaker 1: gather up a coven. They all join hands, they sing
Speaker 1: the ballad, and Agatha portrays them and steals her power,
Speaker 1: and we see her do this again and again and
Speaker 1: again for like over for like two centuries.
Speaker 3: Hundreds of years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so if we're thinking like every month, twice a month.
Speaker 3: Then I'd say twice a month.
Speaker 2: That's generous to Agatha because she's probably doing it more.
Speaker 2: She's greedy.
Speaker 1: So what do you think her body count as? So wait,
Speaker 1: first of all, when Nick, I think she was killing,
Speaker 1: which is whenever Nick was hungry.
Speaker 2: I like that read that's very dark. I think that's true.
Speaker 2: And I also think that she was knowing how death is.
Speaker 2: And earlier in the episode, when in the first episode,
Speaker 2: when we see her on the road and Rio catches
Speaker 2: up with her, death says, Oh, they're dying, just like
Speaker 2: you promised me.
Speaker 3: So I guess that there is some kind.
Speaker 2: Of unspoken agreement between them that the bodies from the
Speaker 2: Witch's Road Cone which is now you know, a real
Speaker 2: Witch's Road thanks to Billy, have been going to Rio
Speaker 2: for a reason. And I think that it was a
Speaker 2: duality of Nick needing.
Speaker 3: Them and then Rio.
Speaker 2: Wanting the bodies, And that seemingly is how Agatha has
Speaker 2: evaded death for so long. If she gives Rio these bodies,
Speaker 2: she can kill, Yo won't collect her.
Speaker 1: And she and she gets powered up right the whole time,
Speaker 1: she's like also gaining power.
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think that it is more of like a There
Speaker 2: was an interesting conversation about this in the discord, and
Speaker 2: I do think some people raise some interesting points, which
Speaker 2: is like, if Agatha had just kept consistently having that
Speaker 2: like gaining this power, she would have been incredibly overpowered.
Speaker 2: But we know that's never really been the case even
Speaker 2: when her mom, Like after her mom killed her, she
Speaker 2: struggled to have powers when surely she could have just
Speaker 2: killed more witches, and she definitely was killing witches in
Speaker 2: a more modern age than after her mom tried to
Speaker 2: kill her.
Speaker 3: So I do also.
Speaker 2: Think it's maybe like the witches who die are more
Speaker 2: to keep her alive and kind of keep her vaguely
Speaker 2: with a little bit of power and a taste of power.
Speaker 2: But I think they're more for rio it's because it's
Speaker 2: really bad. Well, if you think about it, though, it aligns,
Speaker 2: it aligns with what we know of death because in
Speaker 2: this version Jack Jack Shaeffer has said, she doesn't you know,
Speaker 2: obviously we saw a different version of Thanos who killed
Speaker 2: for a stupid reason, didn't kill for a hot sexy death.
Speaker 3: This is what Death's appetite is.
Speaker 2: In the comics Death set, you know, Thanos kills half
Speaker 2: of the population of the universe for death, and then
Speaker 2: she's just like, y okay, sure, But here, I think
Speaker 2: like we have a similar situation where Agthur has gotten
Speaker 2: herself into a situation where no matter how many people
Speaker 2: she kills for death, it's never really enough she's killed.
Speaker 2: If we think about it, let's say let's say ten,
Speaker 2: which is a month.
Speaker 1: I just feel like twelve hour. Here's my issue. They're
Speaker 1: dying anyway. Everybody's dying anyway. People are dying all the time.
Speaker 1: Agatha mentioned the numbers. It's like six a minute or
Speaker 1: whatever it is like in the world, Like, why do
Speaker 1: we then need to hasten these witches along?
Speaker 3: You're getting that's just what death likes. That's what death likes.
Speaker 3: She's just greedy.
Speaker 2: Death likes people to kill full hot she does like canon. Okay,
Speaker 2: So I would say, if we're going with the very
Speaker 2: generous six, if we're saying it's going to be like
Speaker 2: six witches, five witches.
Speaker 1: Let's call it five witches a month.
Speaker 3: Let's say it, okay, for sixty a.
Speaker 1: Year, ten a month, So one hundred and twenty a year.
Speaker 3: One hundred and twenty a year times one hundred.
Speaker 1: Year, seventeen fifty so time, okay, eight hundred yeah, two
Speaker 1: hundred times two hundred and fifty years. Hold on, So
Speaker 1: like let's see.
Speaker 3: Okay, thirty thousand Jesus.
Speaker 1: People, Wowatha, I mean I would also say festival.
Speaker 2: He is technically a mass murderer because she kills like
Speaker 2: five people at a time. And now she's a super
Speaker 2: mass murder because you're talking about thirty thousand. She's up
Speaker 2: there people, You're talking about one of the highest death
Speaker 2: counts in the MCU.
Speaker 1: I think it's hurt. Like obviously Thanos killed on hest
Speaker 1: he got the crown, but then they got they came back.
Speaker 1: Then we have Yondu trafficking unknown amounts children to their
Speaker 1: to their deaths for a long time. There's a mountain
Speaker 1: of bones that we see.
Speaker 3: He did really bad stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now we have Agatha who has been just
Speaker 1: slaughtering witches for two hundred and thirty years.
Speaker 2: Ultron obviously low hi Hella, I mean I would say, yeah,
Speaker 2: but still not that bad compared to thirty thousand. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think kill Manga, he killed like two thousand people
Speaker 2: when he was in the military, but still not that
Speaker 2: celestial ego.
Speaker 3: He is definitely the level. But really I have.
Speaker 2: To say, I think, okay, so oh yeah, high evolutionary
Speaker 2: another James Gunn introduction.
Speaker 3: There he is in the millions.
Speaker 2: But I really do think that this is a very
Speaker 2: This is much more intimate than a lot of those people.
Speaker 2: She has celestials. They've exactly the celestials, just like they
Speaker 2: just kill.
Speaker 3: A planet, like they don't know what's going on on
Speaker 3: that planet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this woman is like actively seeking out marginalized women.
Speaker 3: She's and I think that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Is that when she had when she had sweet Baby,
Speaker 2: Sweet Baby Nick, he made it so she was less
Speaker 2: of a threat, so they would let her into the circle.
Speaker 2: Once he's gone, she needs something to love them, and
Speaker 2: that becomes the road where she's offering them power. She's
Speaker 2: offering them this, that and the other. I mean it is,
Speaker 2: it's so so deeply bleak, and I love it. I do.
Speaker 1: It's great. Anyway, So we then see so we see
Speaker 1: this montage of Agatha killing all these witches down through history,
Speaker 1: like right to our present coven of witches, and we
Speaker 1: see her gather them together sing the ballad, she betrays him,
Speaker 1: but then something shocking happens. The entryway to the road
Speaker 1: actually appears for the first time ever. What And in
Speaker 1: that moment, in this flashback, we see that Agatha realized
Speaker 1: this is Billy. Billy's doing this. She realized in that moment.
Speaker 3: She realized it straight away, straight away.
Speaker 1: So she's appearing to him as a ghost now from
Speaker 1: the afterlife. She doesn't quite know how the ghost thing,
Speaker 1: you know, works yet, but she's a fast study. She'll
Speaker 1: figure that out. And Billy is like, did I do that?
Speaker 1: Did I make the road? And AGA's like, yes, the
Speaker 1: ballad was a con. It never meant anything. She doesn't
Speaker 1: really mention the thousands of I think, but that's.
Speaker 2: Also not just that I think, like there's still this
Speaker 2: hidden paw of Agatha wey. She's like, it never meant
Speaker 2: a thing, but it did mean something to her because
Speaker 2: it was with Hassan.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: But yeah, very interesting And then yeah, on the road,
Speaker 2: Billy created it.
Speaker 1: So Billy is now coming to terms with the idea
Speaker 1: that he killed you know, Alice and Lilia, he killed
Speaker 1: some of their companies. Very upset by this, Agatha is
Speaker 1: like well, but Jen made it so like if you
Speaker 1: do the if you add it up, it's really we're
Speaker 1: only like down one or maybe with like even like
Speaker 1: you can call it even.
Speaker 2: Also she's like, honestly, you saved the life because I
Speaker 2: was gonna kill them all in my basement.
Speaker 1: That's right. So really, like who's it's a win? Elsewhere,
Speaker 1: we see Jen crawl out of the dirt right in
Speaker 1: front of the West View sign and she flies away.
Speaker 1: She's got her power back.
Speaker 2: Yeay, off to meet man Thing. Yeah, come back to
Speaker 2: mentor Billy, that's my dream. Do you think she's Jericho
Speaker 2: drum No, she I think Jen in in the book.
Speaker 2: In the comics, Jennifer Klee is like a witch. She's
Speaker 2: like connected to man thing that's like her husband and stuff.
Speaker 3: So I think they're gonna explore it.
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't be surprised to see them connect her
Speaker 2: to the drum family because also we are getting like
Speaker 2: young Jericho Drummond House of Harkness, so it feels like
Speaker 2: they're bringing that element up.
Speaker 1: So uh and so out of the tells Billy, well,
Speaker 1: this is what it means to be a witch. You
Speaker 1: kill for magic and then you keep living Billy doesn't
Speaker 1: like that, but what's he gonna do. He goes back
Speaker 1: to Agatha's basement, where he sees the road entrance. Agatha,
Speaker 1: who is haunting him, is like mocking him, and she's like,
Speaker 1: what are we doing this? She's like, tell you what,
Speaker 1: Just give me my brooch, which I know you have,
Speaker 1: and I will leave. Billy ignores her. He does some spells,
Speaker 1: he chants over Agatha's brooch. He's trying to banish her,
Speaker 1: but she's not banishing. And then eventually she admits that
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to go full full dead into the
Speaker 1: afterlife because that would mean facing her son Nick and
Speaker 1: and having to admit all the things she's done.
Speaker 2: I e.
Speaker 3: And the thousand women that she's.
Speaker 1: Killed, Yeah, and and creating him out of nothing and
Speaker 1: then killing all these people to keep him alive. Agatha
Speaker 1: manages to pick up the brooch. After this stops the
Speaker 1: chanting and Billy drops the brooch and she manages to
Speaker 1: pick it up. She puts it on. Billy's like, wow,
Speaker 1: you really figure out this ghost thing, and Agatha is
Speaker 1: like you know. He then says, you know, I'm sure
Speaker 1: if you went to the afterlife like fully, like Nick
Speaker 1: would forgive you, and Agatha is very touched by this.
Speaker 1: She's like, you know, I'm a hardcore, hardened ted Bundy
Speaker 1: of witches, but when you say those kind of things
Speaker 1: to me, like it reminds me of Nick because Nick
Speaker 1: always had this kind of like love for me, but
Speaker 1: I didn't deserve. And next thing, you know, it certainly
Speaker 1: seems like a team up Billy and Agatha, Wickan and
Speaker 1: the Ghost. It seems like they're gonna do this together.
Speaker 1: Billy magically turns the road door into a memorial to
Speaker 1: their coven, and then Agatha turns human says, let's go
Speaker 1: find Tommy and boom they're off.
Speaker 2: Wow, crazy stuff, crazy crazy, But I do I like,
Speaker 2: I really like the idea of this, like Agatha, Ghost
Speaker 2: Billy team up because I think even though obviously we
Speaker 2: know she killed you know, thirty thousand people, at least
Speaker 2: Billy doesn't know that.
Speaker 3: All he knows is she is.
Speaker 2: A flawed person who has killed lots of people, and he,
Speaker 2: at that moment in time, is judging himself and feeling
Speaker 2: like he too is an evil murderer because of creating
Speaker 2: the hecks. I think the saddest thing is that with
Speaker 2: the Witch's Road. What's clear about it is they probably
Speaker 2: actually could have walked out at any point, like if
Speaker 2: there had been this realization, the way that Jen climbed out,
Speaker 2: the way that Lily they almost walked out to the
Speaker 2: you know, the railroad underneath Westview, like. But I think
Speaker 2: it's very interesting. I hope we get to see more
Speaker 2: of these two together, and I think this is I
Speaker 2: think this is one of the best Emcu shows.
Speaker 1: I agree the Salem seven was that also Billy, I
Speaker 1: think so.
Speaker 2: I I do. Maybe I think it was like she
Speaker 2: got the sauce, so maybe she.
Speaker 3: Got the sauce. Maybe they were really after Agatha. I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: I did feel like there was a maybe they actually
Speaker 2: had come out of the ground, not for Agatha, but
Speaker 2: actually for Billy because he was in a different body,
Speaker 2: kind of like we saw in Doctor Strange. I think
Speaker 2: they left it open for interpretation. There's lots of interpretation here. Also,
Speaker 2: Aaron Super producer pointed out a great point where she
Speaker 2: what Agatha says to Nick when he's born is I
Speaker 2: spoke no spell, said, no incantation. You were made from scratch.
Speaker 2: So that kind of of implies if it was magic,
Speaker 2: it wasn't necessarily her magic or maybe it really is
Speaker 2: the magic of biology. But even then, the time that
Speaker 2: he was on was obviously stolen time because he could
Speaker 2: never seem to survive.
Speaker 3: So yeah, very very interesting. Who was your MVP in
Speaker 3: this show?
Speaker 1: Wow? I mean, I think it has to be Catherine Hahn,
Speaker 1: who's yeah, managed to walk a line between funny and
Speaker 1: dramatic evil and also the kind of like villain that
Speaker 1: you could that you want to hang out with. And
Speaker 1: I think that's.
Speaker 3: Actually and you want to root for for sure.
Speaker 1: I think that's actually a very very tough thing to do.
Speaker 1: And I think Joe Locke was amazing. I think he's
Speaker 1: just got a presence of perfect Yeah. So I think
Speaker 1: those two, you know, it's hard to go wrong with
Speaker 1: anybody in this cast. Lapone.
Speaker 2: I think that I will say that is that's very true.
Speaker 2: I would have liked to see.
Speaker 1: I would have liked to see more of her. I
Speaker 1: think that a Tower Verse episode is like as good
Speaker 1: as it gets in MCU television. I agree, who is
Speaker 1: your MVP?
Speaker 2: I'll just go I'll go for Aubrey Plaza as Death
Speaker 2: because I think it's fantastic casting. I would have loved
Speaker 2: just every time she was on screen. I wanted to
Speaker 2: see more of her. I feel like she crafted a
Speaker 2: villain that was appealing at first but grew more toxic
Speaker 2: and that I would love to see more of. I
Speaker 2: would see her go to to toe with Thanos, I
Speaker 2: would see her go to to toe with Loki.
Speaker 3: I could also see her become.
Speaker 2: An unexpected ally as it is in the future. So
Speaker 2: because you picked two of the great uh, two of
Speaker 2: the greats, I will add Aubrey in there because and
Speaker 2: also her witch's cackle is is one for the for
Speaker 2: the end. So now that we have Billy, who has
Speaker 2: really been our big missing piece for the Young Avengers,
Speaker 2: how soon do.
Speaker 3: We see them? How likely do you think it is
Speaker 3: that they're going to start seeding that? I do you think?
Speaker 1: I would imagine after this round of twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: stuff that we're going to start seeding that. And I
Speaker 1: would imagine that the Doom stuff, once that culminates, that
Speaker 1: will clear the road for a new Avengers team that
Speaker 1: will be I think we'll get the Young Avengers concurrent
Speaker 1: with the Doom stuff.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, it makes sense if they're going to
Speaker 2: do a secret war style, Yeah, we need multiple.
Speaker 1: Teams and then post Doom, I think the Young Avengers
Speaker 1: take the mantle. But we have them all now we do.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, like, who are you most excited?
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be super fun to see
Speaker 2: Billy with Kate Bishop. I think those two will have
Speaker 2: really fun chemistry. I think him and Kamala will have
Speaker 2: really fun chemistry.
Speaker 1: Well, we don't have we don't have Hulkling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't have Hulkling.
Speaker 2: Yeah unless unless Edward that we met in this will
Speaker 2: become Teddy and is Hulkling.
Speaker 1: I feel or of his own. You feel like the
Speaker 1: secret of his own.
Speaker 3: I feel like he looked he looked like good casting.
Speaker 2: Also, it's tough after post you know, the secret invasion
Speaker 2: of it all. It's kind of it's tough to know,
Speaker 2: like how much more scroll stuff we're going to get,
Speaker 2: But I do believe the the Marvels still gave a
Speaker 2: good space for Scroll cree kind of shenanigans.
Speaker 3: Also, something that is very interesting.
Speaker 2: About the original Young Avengers comics, which we talked about,
Speaker 2: is every character is essentially like a fake out, like.
Speaker 3: You thought they were someone.
Speaker 2: You thought that Billy was like young thor you thought
Speaker 2: that Iron Lad was young iron Man. You thought that
Speaker 2: Hulkling was young Hulk, but they were. They all had
Speaker 2: these kind of secret reveals behind them, so it'll be
Speaker 2: interesting they could do something like that with hulk Ling.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think I expect to see that stuff
Speaker 2: seeded pretty soon, especially because this has been really well received,
Speaker 2: and I think that Joe Locke does feel like, uh
Speaker 2: a kind of immam villany level of oh week, can
Speaker 2: this really could carry the next generation.
Speaker 1: When Wanda comes back. Because she's coming back.
Speaker 3: She's coming back, baby, it's happening.
Speaker 1: How's she gonna feel about Agatha basically becoming a surrogate
Speaker 1: mother to her son.
Speaker 2: I think that she's gonna They're gonna be catti and
Speaker 2: have beef over it at first. I especially think with
Speaker 2: the line where you know, Billy said, she's not my mother.
Speaker 2: I think that's probably what woke Wander up from wherever
Speaker 2: she was. Wander recently was saying on a press tour
Speaker 2: for Love and Death, Elizabeth Olsen was saying, you know,
Speaker 2: if there's a good way to use her, I'm always
Speaker 2: happy to come back. However, they can make it make sense.
Speaker 2: They can make it make sense because you're the scarlet witch. Baby,
Speaker 2: it's gonna happen. I think that she won't like it
Speaker 2: at first. But also there is an echo here of
Speaker 2: like when Agatha was Wonder's mentor in the comics. And
Speaker 2: I also think there's something fun about how a kind
Speaker 2: of ghost character. They could do a lot of fun
Speaker 2: stuff with possession here, very like Bill and Ted's style.
Speaker 2: I will be very interested to see Jack Schaefer give
Speaker 2: her the MCU.
Speaker 3: For a little bit.
Speaker 2: Come on, guys, especially with Doom. Doom is a magical character. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I have a note we need her.
Speaker 1: I do have a note regarding the MCU's uh, you know,
Speaker 1: burgeoning magic worlds. Do we need a little bit more
Speaker 1: of a system because it.
Speaker 3: Feels I think we need magic systems.
Speaker 1: It feels it feels a little too loose, like anything
Speaker 1: can happen. And I get it with Billy. It made
Speaker 1: sense with Billy and Wanda because they were not in control,
Speaker 1: so they didn't understand what they were capable.
Speaker 3: But the other witch's powers just look kind of similar.
Speaker 1: Yea necessarily rule and it's hard to know what they
Speaker 1: can do, what they can't do, what the stakes are
Speaker 1: when they when it's kind of like this ruless, formless thing,
Speaker 1: and so I do hope as we get more magic characters,
Speaker 1: the Hood is a as a magical character, although we
Speaker 1: don't place that don't know, we don't know, if you
Speaker 1: see that feels like a good.
Speaker 3: Place to set up a system. Yeah, where the magic
Speaker 3: systems are fun and it.
Speaker 1: Gives you some idea of like what's going on, what
Speaker 1: a character's cable I do. I did feel towards the
Speaker 1: back end of this series like I would love to
Speaker 1: know what the limits are a little bit because it
Speaker 1: feels a little too mushy right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree, especially when you start seeing
Speaker 2: all the witches using the power and they all look
Speaker 2: exactly the same. I'm yeah, I would love to see
Speaker 2: some magic systems coming in because also those are so
Speaker 2: fun to talk about and how do they work and
Speaker 2: who is powered, especially in a world where we have
Speaker 2: like systems for the mutants and different ways that people
Speaker 2: get powers that are superpowers. Yeah, I'm I'm definitely very interested.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 2: Aaron put another great point here, which is like nice
Speaker 2: that they didn't end in a big, messy CG battle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad that the something that was a lot
Speaker 1: more fun didn't feel the name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just thought this was a great show and
Speaker 2: I'm very excited to see what comes next. What is
Speaker 2: the next EMCU project, like live Action MCU project.
Speaker 3: Is there a movie.
Speaker 2: In the next Yeah, I'm like, Oh, Captain America Brave
Speaker 2: New World in February fifteenth.
Speaker 1: Question Mark because it it feels like question Mark. Well,
Speaker 1: just because that movie there's been so many rewrites and
Speaker 1: reshoots and every.
Speaker 2: Loss of controversy and all the testing has been bad
Speaker 2: like and continues to be bad, and so I don't know,
Speaker 2: let's see, yea, let's see what happened.
Speaker 3: I would be that's true.
Speaker 2: I will say this is an out there swing, and
Speaker 2: I hope this doesn't have this kind of stuff really
Speaker 2: hard for people who are working on the movies. But
Speaker 2: I could see a world where that date is switched
Speaker 2: with the Thunderbolts date, because Thunderbolts is meant to be
Speaker 2: the big Free Comic Book Day movie May two, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five. I'm guessing that they put Captain America Brave
Speaker 2: New World in February because they want to do Black
Speaker 2: History Month for Black Captain America with Sam Wilson. But
Speaker 2: wouldn't I wouldn't be shocked if those were switched, because
Speaker 2: I do think that Julena is very much in that
Speaker 2: young Avenger's mindset, and it seems like Thunderbolts has been
Speaker 2: done for a while. It will be interesting to see,
Speaker 2: but it's very interesting that basically none of those projects
Speaker 2: are tonally akin to this at all now, So we're
Speaker 2: going to be ending on this high and then we're
Speaker 2: probably not going to be seeing anything similar to this
Speaker 2: till maybe June next year with Ironheart.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, maybe if we get a
Speaker 1: young Avengers team who Stark obviously not here anymore, so
Speaker 1: who who who has the power to bestow the Avengers
Speaker 1: title on a person now? Because that's unclear to me.
Speaker 2: You know what, I think they would probably do something
Speaker 2: along the line. They will probably go the emotional route,
Speaker 2: which is like Pepper is actually the one who says
Speaker 2: you're them the key and says you're on the team.
Speaker 2: Maybe they would even have Morgan show up to kind
Speaker 2: of get more of that emotional vibe. But also I
Speaker 2: think really you're looking at kind of Bruce Banner and
Speaker 2: doctor Strange, those are probably your.
Speaker 3: Your older Avengers.
Speaker 2: Now, maybe they would call in somebody like Valkyrie and Thor,
Speaker 2: and it's more of a kind of like group from
Speaker 2: around the galaxy, kind of bringing in different people. But
Speaker 2: you do raise a good point. With Tony Stark not there,
Speaker 2: it's harder to have somebody say, well, I will say,
Speaker 2: I will say there is a Robert Downey Junior character
Speaker 2: who will be coming in who's known.
Speaker 3: For Mackie Avellian choices.
Speaker 2: And maybe there is some world where this is like
Speaker 2: Doom's Avengers, and and that would actually kind of make
Speaker 2: sense with Yolena is an assassin, Kate Bishop is essentially
Speaker 2: like a rogue hero. Kam La Khan is a great
Speaker 2: good girl, but she would probably do anything for someone
Speaker 2: who looked like Tony Stark.
Speaker 3: But Billy is.
Speaker 2: Technically a killer. So maybe there's a world where they
Speaker 2: play on that. But I think you raise a very
Speaker 2: interesting point, and how they do that is gonna be key.
Speaker 2: Now Robert Downey Junior is back in the space, so
Speaker 2: perhaps he just records like a classic Tony Stark video message,
Speaker 2: I have been watching you for a long time.
Speaker 1: I program my my AI to be me, so now I'm.
Speaker 3: Just I'm a guy in a box.
Speaker 2: Maybe Rody is involved you know he is Tony's best friend.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think you raise a very good point
Speaker 2: and it's gonna be very interesting to see where this
Speaker 2: all lead.
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