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Speaker 1: Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for episodes eight and nine,

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Speaker 1: the double finale of Agatha All Along on the Disney

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Speaker 1: Plus Television network. Hello, I've Jason Gittepcio and on Wedesday Night,

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to Extra Revision, the podcast where we

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Speaker 1: dive you to your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture.

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Speaker 1: We're coming to you from My Heart podcast, where we're

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Speaker 1: bringing you three episodes a week every Tuesday Thursday, with

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Speaker 1: an extra episode on Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, Oh, It's a marvel Day, a marvelous

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Speaker 2: day for Marvel News. Previously on we will be talking

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Speaker 2: about that Marvel Studios look ahead preview which was honestly

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Speaker 2: a bit of a surprise drop that lots of fun

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Speaker 2: things to talk about. And in the airlock, of course,

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Speaker 2: we will be going down the Witches Road for the

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Speaker 2: final time to talk about Agatha All Along episodes eight

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Speaker 1: First up, News, and let's talk about that look ahead

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Speaker 1: that was attached to the top of the Agatha finale

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Speaker 1: and has a lot of really fun stuff in it,

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Speaker 1: starting with little Deadpool and Wolverine drop in which Marvel says, Hey,

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Speaker 1: remember us, remember when you said we couldn't do hit

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Speaker 1: movies anymore.

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Speaker 3: Remember when we made a billion.

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Speaker 1: Super You're fatigued? Guess what we're back?

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Speaker 2: And this is like guaranteed it's gonna be hitting Disney

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Speaker 2: Plus on November twelfth. Expect to hear all kinds of wild,

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Speaker 2: hyperbolic numbers coming out from what Disney says this will

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Speaker 2: be watched. But I will say, as somebody who has

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Speaker 2: a ten year old nephew, this.

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Speaker 3: Will be watched lot this holiday period.

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Speaker 2: You every ten, eleven, twelve year old whose parents wouldn't

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Speaker 2: take them to see how the cinema, they are going

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Speaker 2: to be watching this so many times. You are going

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Speaker 2: to be hearing so much Deadpool and Wolverine Law in

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Speaker 2: your house during this holiday period. So if you listen

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Speaker 2: to this podcast, you can go back listen to some

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Speaker 2: episodes and sound like an expert when you go for

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Speaker 2: a family dinner and everyone's.

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Speaker 3: Like, who's lady Deadpool? And we will be able to

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Speaker 1: Next up coming out December twenty second is the third

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Speaker 1: season of Marvel's animated What If series, after what I

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Speaker 1: think was a second season that some felt was a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a step down from a foot down

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Speaker 1: looks fun, looks fun. Interested, It is certainly interested. Next up,

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Speaker 1: Your friendly Neighborhood Spider Man from Marvel Animation January. Looks

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Speaker 1: really fun. We have some your punk action, you have

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Speaker 3: Just looks so good.

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Speaker 2: You've got some of the crew, Yeah, Jeff Treumael from

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Speaker 3: Craig of the Creek on this.

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Speaker 2: So I'm sure it's going to be a really fun view,

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Speaker 2: very fun, kind of rotoscope ish.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like Spider versus s.

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Speaker 1: It's very like a Spider Man and his amazing friends

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Speaker 1: callback to that kind of style. Hannah Barbara ish, I'm

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Speaker 2: Looks like he's going to have a crew and a team,

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Speaker 2: which we always love to see. I'm excited for this

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Speaker 2: great start to the new year. We're getting that early

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Speaker 2: January twenty fifth.

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Speaker 1: Next up Marvel Television's Darrell Will Board Again marched Forth

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, the highly anticipated adaptation question Mark of

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Speaker 1: the famous Frank Miller David MASSUCHELLI run on Daredevil and

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Speaker 1: not much as say other than it looks. It actually

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Speaker 1: looks really really beautif.

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Speaker 3: For beautifully shot.

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Speaker 2: Looks like whatever they decided to do to add because

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Speaker 1: Next up, Rary Williams enters Marvel's television universe June twenty

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Speaker 1: four to twenty twenty five. She's flipping over cars, she's

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Speaker 2: And she's talking to the Hood, who we get to

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Speaker 2: Looks like it's gonna be a very fun kind of

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Speaker 1: If next up, Eyes of Wakanda August sixth, twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 1: looks I mean, it looks great. I'm very excited. Marble

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Speaker 2: Animation style than what If and what we're about to

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Speaker 3: Bran Coogler he rarely misses. So let's see it.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be Summer of Wakonda apparently August six five.

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Speaker 1: Next up, Halloween twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: You can't wait for it.

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Speaker 1: It's Marvel Zombies from Marvel Animals. Folks. Take them out

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Speaker 1: of the what if, give them their own little thing.

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Speaker 1: Who doesn't love zombies?

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Speaker 3: You're gonna love it.

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Speaker 1: Little spooky kids are gonna love Here come the Zombies. Halloween,

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Speaker 1: October twenty twenty fifth. Then finally December twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Who for hollyw It's everybody's favorite struggling actor and one

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Speaker 1: hundred class strength superhero filled with strange energy. It's Simon

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Speaker 1: Williams wonder Man original live action series Boys to launch

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Speaker 1: the career of everybody's favorite actor, Avenger Simon Williams. And

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Speaker 1: there's a appears to be a pretty wonderful cameo in there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like maybe even a main role for Trevor,

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Speaker 1: Everybody's a favorite actor, come terrorist. He wasn't really a terrorist,

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Speaker 2: It looks fun, and I love the aspect that Simon

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Speaker 2: Williams is reading for wonder Man. Yes, that's the level

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Speaker 2: to say I thought that this was a really really

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Speaker 2: I worry a little bit that they're trying to they're

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Speaker 1: It's a mixed animation, mix of animation and live action,

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Speaker 1: But I think that certainly appears like the current Marvel

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Speaker 1: a season finale a Magatha along. Yeah, I Guessa all

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Speaker 1: And Aga is like, Okay, if I do that, will

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they definitely did have a relationship at one point,

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Speaker 2: but it has not been It's consential on both sides

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Speaker 1: It's doctors now, yes, And so they make that deal

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Speaker 2: for you to make a fake world is not necessarily

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Speaker 1: seventeen fifty, the year seventeen fifty. Agatha is running through

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Speaker 3: Up and was like, the baby's gonna die.

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00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 2: But because she likes Agatha, she was like, I can

437
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 2: offer you time, but I can't take him, not take him.

438
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: I think what happened. It's a good question I think

439
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: what's happening is that Nick is not a real child.

440
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: In that I think Nick is also created by magic.

441
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 1: I think Agatha created Nick by magic, which you want

442
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: to have a child, she didn't want to. She didn't

443
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 1: there were no men that met her standards, which I.

444
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 3: Get it, Yes, so she created it.

445
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: So she created him from magic. And I think Rio

446
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: Death was like, no, no, no, you can't do that.

447
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: That's a no no. But because I love you, I'll

448
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: give you. I'll give you time.

449
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 3: I think you're right, that's absolutely what it is.

450
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: So and I think and I think the name lets

451
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 1: you know that this is what happened. Scratch created from scratch, nixt.

452
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, she even I think she even says that to him,

453
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 2: And I mean it's it's essentially yeah, like Anakin forced

454
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 2: baby vibes. You know, she created this baby from magic. Yeah,

455
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: Billy and Tommy like, you know, it's that Wonder with's

456
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: what Wonder says to Strange where he's like, you created

457
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: them from magic, and she's like, that's what all mothers do. Yeah,

458
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 2: isn't that what all mothers do? And then we get

459
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 2: it here.

460
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 3: Also, I think a.

461
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 2: Very interesting kind of nod to the nature of magic

462
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: in the MCU as something that has been around for

463
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: a lot longer. And we get that note from Chen

464
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 2: about how the old you know, Rio said she's the

465
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 2: green Witch and death is about this constant cycle of

466
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 2: life and birth and decay, and obviously creating a baby

467
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: from scratch of magic means that you would be evading that.

468
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: So I think, I think you're right. And I loved

469
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: kind of med evil, uh Rio. She looked so great

470
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: in that costume, and she also looked so heartbroken to

471
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: do her job, which you know, was to reap the

472
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 2: unnatural baby.

473
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Agatha then walks through the she's walking through

474
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: the woods with her baby. She comes across a coven.

475
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: They're doing which stuff in the woods? Long story protection?

476
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: This is they got protection stones, yes, and long story short,

477
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: Agatha talks her way in and she kills them, steals

478
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: their power six years past, clearly of doing this on

479
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: a regular basis.

480
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 3: Oh, this is that whole life.

481
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. And and what we've the pattern they've fallen into

482
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: is young Nick goes into whatever town or villages nearby

483
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: and looks sad and will lure a.

484
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 3: Witch which tends to be sickly.

485
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: She has to be sickly, a witch will come and

486
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: offer him help, and then he will lead that witch

487
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,239
Speaker 1: back to Agatha, who will kill that witch and then

488
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: steal their power and then use that power to nourish Nick.

489
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 3: Okay, so my I did think that. My odd thing

490
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 3: is I wonder.

491
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:20,479
Speaker 2: If if she keeps giving bodies to Rio then Rio

492
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: doesn't come off.

493
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's part of it.

494
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the night they don't kill someone, that's when

495
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: Nick dies the next day. So I definitely think it's connected.

496
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's part of it. Uh. That said, despite

497
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: this ghulish existence, mother and son have a wonderful relationship.

498
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: They hang out in the woods. She does magic tricks

499
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: for him. She can do everything for him except make

500
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: him a plate of food and feed him because he

501
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: can't eat.

502
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: He can't doesn't seem like he can eat. Yeah, he

503
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: has natural food.

504
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: He has to survive on this magic that she steals,

505
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: and she only has an unknown amount of time with

506
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: him again until Rio comes back.

507
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 3: And we learn like while they walk around the woods,

508
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 3: we learned that it's Nick who created the Witch's Road

509
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 3: song because he started it off by singing down.

510
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: Over the years.

511
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,239
Speaker 2: Down the winding road and eventually it would kind of

512
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: change into this song that became a calling card that

513
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: would become part of their con.

514
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: Well, sure, he probably wrote the song, but I think

515
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: the story of like, oh yeah, there's this road, there's

516
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: this magic road that was clearly going to be Agathas.

517
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: That's Agathas dud don't.

518
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 3: I don't think that.

519
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: I think that the two of them made the song together,

520
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: like a lullaby to sing while they were just wandering

521
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: around and doing this. And I think it was only

522
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: after when, only when she realized that it appealed to

523
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: other witches, that she then took a bontage of it.

524
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 2: I don't think it was necessarily created that way. I

525
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: think the creation was relatively pure between the two of them,

526
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: but then she saw that people started to hear it

527
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 2: and think, oh, this must be real, and that would

528
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: draw more witches to the power of them.

529
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: I think it's actually I think you're right, but I

530
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: actually think it's significantly more ghoulish than that. I think

531
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: what happened is they're singing this song, witches do come

532
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: and talk to to Nick. Then those witches disappear. Then

533
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: Agatha says, oh, they walk the road.

534
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 3: They walked the witches.

535
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: Oh, they walked the witches road, and they just didn't

536
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,479
Speaker 1: come back. And that's what it is, you know, if

537
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: you want to walk the child is very dagous women

538
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: in that path.

539
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 3: Wow, that's bleak and I love it.

540
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: It's and then it became this legend amongst witches, which

541
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: is really fucked up. So anyway, in the meantime, mother

542
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: and son spend this wonderful time out in you know,

543
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: pre America, North America, in this wonderful Terrence Malick like

544
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: cinematography and Nick. We see Nick later on singing this

545
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: the Ballad of the Road in a public house. Uh,

546
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: and a witch comes up and offers Nick help again here.

547
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: And she.

548
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 3: Where did you hear something range song?

549
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: Like, there's a moment here where I feel like Nick

550
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: realizes that could be like an uncovering or an interest

551
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: or something that would connect with these witches even more

552
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: about the song, and he's like, no, I'm fine, i

553
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 2: gotta go home.

554
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: So clearly by this point there is like a there

555
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: is like a legend of this song by now. So yeah,

556
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: Nick is like no, even though he looks terribly like

557
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: wan and pale and needs sustenance. He says no because

558
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to kill anyone, and as he and

559
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: his mom are walking away, actually, when she finds him

560
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: in the woods later, he's basically saying, hey, can we

561
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: do why do we have to keep doing this? Like

562
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: we can kill it just tomorrow. I don't want to

563
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: do it today, and Agasa is like fine. They fall

564
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: asleep and in the night, Rio comes calls Nick over

565
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: to him, and when Agatha wakes up in the warning

566
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: Nick is dead, she's very, very sad. She buries him.

567
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: She sings and weeps over the grave, and then the

568
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: witch from that bar that heard the song comes over

569
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: and she's like because Agatha was singing it over the grave,

570
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, I heard you singing that song.

571
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: I have desperate need of to walk the Witch's road

572
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: because I need I need something from the Wish's road,

573
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: and if you will show me the way of the road,

574
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: I would be so pleased. Of course, Agatha says. So.

575
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: Aga says, first step, we need a coven, So they

576
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: gather up a coven. They all join hands, they sing

577
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: the ballad, and Agatha portrays them and steals her power,

578
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: and we see her do this again and again and

579
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: again for like over for like two centuries.

580
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 3: Hundreds of years.

581
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, so if we're thinking like every month, twice a month.

582
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 3: Then I'd say twice a month.

583
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: That's generous to Agatha because she's probably doing it more.

584
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: She's greedy.

585
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: So what do you think her body count as? So wait,

586
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: first of all, when Nick, I think she was killing,

587
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: which is whenever Nick was hungry.

588
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: I like that read that's very dark. I think that's true.

589
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:36,479
Speaker 2: And I also think that she was knowing how death is.

590
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: And earlier in the episode, when in the first episode,

591
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: when we see her on the road and Rio catches

592
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: up with her, death says, Oh, they're dying, just like

593
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: you promised me.

594
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: So I guess that there is some kind.

595
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: Of unspoken agreement between them that the bodies from the

596
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: Witch's Road Cone which is now you know, a real

597
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: Witch's Road thanks to Billy, have been going to Rio

598
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: for a reason. And I think that it was a

599
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: duality of Nick needing.

600
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 3: Them and then Rio.

601
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 2: Wanting the bodies, And that seemingly is how Agatha has

602
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: evaded death for so long. If she gives Rio these bodies,

603
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: she can kill, Yo won't collect her.

604
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: And she and she gets powered up right the whole time,

605
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: she's like also gaining power.

606
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: But I don't know.

607
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: I think that it is more of like a There

608
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 2: was an interesting conversation about this in the discord, and

609
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: I do think some people raise some interesting points, which

610
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: is like, if Agatha had just kept consistently having that

611
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: like gaining this power, she would have been incredibly overpowered.

612
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: But we know that's never really been the case even

613
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: when her mom, Like after her mom killed her, she

614
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: struggled to have powers when surely she could have just

615
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: killed more witches, and she definitely was killing witches in

616
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: a more modern age than after her mom tried to

617
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: kill her.

618
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 3: So I do also.

619
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 2: Think it's maybe like the witches who die are more

620
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: to keep her alive and kind of keep her vaguely

621
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 2: with a little bit of power and a taste of power.

622
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: But I think they're more for rio it's because it's

623
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 2: really bad. Well, if you think about it, though, it aligns,

624
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 2: it aligns with what we know of death because in

625
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 2: this version Jack Jack Shaeffer has said, she doesn't you know,

626
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: obviously we saw a different version of Thanos who killed

627
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 2: for a stupid reason, didn't kill for a hot sexy death.

628
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 3: This is what Death's appetite is.

629
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: In the comics Death set, you know, Thanos kills half

630
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 2: of the population of the universe for death, and then

631
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: she's just like, y okay, sure, But here, I think

632
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: like we have a similar situation where Agthur has gotten

633
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: herself into a situation where no matter how many people

634
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: she kills for death, it's never really enough she's killed.

635
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,959
Speaker 2: If we think about it, let's say let's say ten,

636
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: which is a month.

637
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: I just feel like twelve hour. Here's my issue. They're

638
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: dying anyway. Everybody's dying anyway. People are dying all the time.

639
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: Agatha mentioned the numbers. It's like six a minute or

640
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: whatever it is like in the world, Like, why do

641
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: we then need to hasten these witches along?

642
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 3: You're getting that's just what death likes. That's what death likes.

643
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 3: She's just greedy.

644
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 2: Death likes people to kill full hot she does like canon. Okay,

645
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 2: So I would say, if we're going with the very

646
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: generous six, if we're saying it's going to be like

647
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: six witches, five witches.

648
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: Let's call it five witches a month.

649
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 3: Let's say it, okay, for sixty a.

650
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: Year, ten a month, So one hundred and twenty a year.

651
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 3: One hundred and twenty a year times one hundred.

652
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: Year, seventeen fifty so time, okay, eight hundred yeah, two

653
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: hundred times two hundred and fifty years. Hold on, So

654
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: like let's see.

655
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: Okay, thirty thousand Jesus.

656
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: People, Wowatha, I mean I would also say festival.

657
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: He is technically a mass murderer because she kills like

658
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 2: five people at a time. And now she's a super

659
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 2: mass murder because you're talking about thirty thousand. She's up

660
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: there people, You're talking about one of the highest death

661
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 2: counts in the MCU.

662
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: I think it's hurt. Like obviously Thanos killed on hest

663
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: he got the crown, but then they got they came back.

664
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: Then we have Yondu trafficking unknown amounts children to their

665
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: to their deaths for a long time. There's a mountain

666
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: of bones that we see.

667
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 3: He did really bad stuff.

668
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now we have Agatha who has been just

669
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: slaughtering witches for two hundred and thirty years.

670
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 2: Ultron obviously low hi Hella, I mean I would say, yeah,

671
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 2: but still not that bad compared to thirty thousand. I mean,

672
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: I think kill Manga, he killed like two thousand people

673
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: when he was in the military, but still not that

674
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: celestial ego.

675
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 3: He is definitely the level. But really I have.

676
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: To say, I think, okay, so oh yeah, high evolutionary

677
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: another James Gunn introduction.

678
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 3: There he is in the millions.

679
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 2: But I really do think that this is a very

680
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: This is much more intimate than a lot of those people.

681
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: She has celestials. They've exactly the celestials, just like they

682
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: just kill.

683
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 3: A planet, like they don't know what's going on on

684
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 3: that planet.

685
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, this woman is like actively seeking out marginalized women.

686
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 3: She's and I think that's crazy.

687
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: Is that when she had when she had sweet Baby,

688
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 2: Sweet Baby Nick, he made it so she was less

689
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: of a threat, so they would let her into the circle.

690
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: Once he's gone, she needs something to love them, and

691
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: that becomes the road where she's offering them power. She's

692
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 2: offering them this, that and the other. I mean it is,

693
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: it's so so deeply bleak, and I love it. I do.

694
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: It's great. Anyway, So we then see so we see

695
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: this montage of Agatha killing all these witches down through history,

696
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: like right to our present coven of witches, and we

697
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: see her gather them together sing the ballad, she betrays him,

698
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 1: but then something shocking happens. The entryway to the road

699
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: actually appears for the first time ever. What And in

700
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: that moment, in this flashback, we see that Agatha realized

701
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: this is Billy. Billy's doing this. She realized in that moment.

702
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 3: She realized it straight away, straight away.

703
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: So she's appearing to him as a ghost now from

704
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: the afterlife. She doesn't quite know how the ghost thing,

705
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: you know, works yet, but she's a fast study. She'll

706
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: figure that out. And Billy is like, did I do that?

707
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: Did I make the road? And AGA's like, yes, the

708
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: ballad was a con. It never meant anything. She doesn't

709
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: really mention the thousands of I think, but that's.

710
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 2: Also not just that I think, like there's still this

711
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 2: hidden paw of Agatha wey. She's like, it never meant

712
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: a thing, but it did mean something to her because

713
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: it was with Hassan.

714
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 3: That's right.

715
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 2: But yeah, very interesting And then yeah, on the road,

716
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 2: Billy created it.

717
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: So Billy is now coming to terms with the idea

718
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: that he killed you know, Alice and Lilia, he killed

719
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: some of their companies. Very upset by this, Agatha is

720
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: like well, but Jen made it so like if you

721
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: do the if you add it up, it's really we're

722
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: only like down one or maybe with like even like

723
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: you can call it even.

724
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 2: Also she's like, honestly, you saved the life because I

725
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: was gonna kill them all in my basement.

726
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: That's right. So really, like who's it's a win? Elsewhere,

727
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: we see Jen crawl out of the dirt right in

728
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: front of the West View sign and she flies away.

729
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: She's got her power back.

730
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: Yeay, off to meet man Thing. Yeah, come back to

731
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 2: mentor Billy, that's my dream. Do you think she's Jericho

732
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 2: drum No, she I think Jen in in the book.

733
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 2: In the comics, Jennifer Klee is like a witch. She's

734
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 2: like connected to man thing that's like her husband and stuff.

735
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 3: So I think they're gonna explore it.

736
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't be surprised to see them connect her

737
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 2: to the drum family because also we are getting like

738
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 2: young Jericho Drummond House of Harkness, so it feels like

739
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: they're bringing that element up.

740
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: So uh and so out of the tells Billy, well,

741
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: this is what it means to be a witch. You

742
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: kill for magic and then you keep living Billy doesn't

743
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: like that, but what's he gonna do. He goes back

744
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: to Agatha's basement, where he sees the road entrance. Agatha,

745
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: who is haunting him, is like mocking him, and she's like,

746
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: what are we doing this? She's like, tell you what,

747
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: Just give me my brooch, which I know you have,

748
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: and I will leave. Billy ignores her. He does some spells,

749
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: he chants over Agatha's brooch. He's trying to banish her,

750
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: but she's not banishing. And then eventually she admits that

751
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to go full full dead into the

752
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: afterlife because that would mean facing her son Nick and

753
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 1: and having to admit all the things she's done.

754
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: I e.

755
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 3: And the thousand women that she's.

756
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: Killed, Yeah, and and creating him out of nothing and

757
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: then killing all these people to keep him alive. Agatha

758
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: manages to pick up the brooch. After this stops the

759
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: chanting and Billy drops the brooch and she manages to

760
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 1: pick it up. She puts it on. Billy's like, wow,

761
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: you really figure out this ghost thing, and Agatha is

762
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: like you know. He then says, you know, I'm sure

763
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: if you went to the afterlife like fully, like Nick

764
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: would forgive you, and Agatha is very touched by this.

765
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: She's like, you know, I'm a hardcore, hardened ted Bundy

766
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: of witches, but when you say those kind of things

767
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: to me, like it reminds me of Nick because Nick

768
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: always had this kind of like love for me, but

769
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: I didn't deserve. And next thing, you know, it certainly

770
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: seems like a team up Billy and Agatha, Wickan and

771
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: the Ghost. It seems like they're gonna do this together.

772
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: Billy magically turns the road door into a memorial to

773
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: their coven, and then Agatha turns human says, let's go

774
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: find Tommy and boom they're off.

775
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: Wow, crazy stuff, crazy crazy, But I do I like,

776
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 2: I really like the idea of this, like Agatha, Ghost

777
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 2: Billy team up because I think even though obviously we

778
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 2: know she killed you know, thirty thousand people, at least

779
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 2: Billy doesn't know that.

780
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 3: All he knows is she is.

781
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 2: A flawed person who has killed lots of people, and he,

782
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: at that moment in time, is judging himself and feeling

783
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: like he too is an evil murderer because of creating

784
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: the hecks. I think the saddest thing is that with

785
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,720
Speaker 2: the Witch's Road. What's clear about it is they probably

786
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: actually could have walked out at any point, like if

787
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 2: there had been this realization, the way that Jen climbed out,

788
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: the way that Lily they almost walked out to the

789
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 2: you know, the railroad underneath Westview, like. But I think

790
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 2: it's very interesting. I hope we get to see more

791
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: of these two together, and I think this is I

792
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: think this is one of the best Emcu shows.

793
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: I agree the Salem seven was that also Billy, I

794
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: think so.

795
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 2: I I do. Maybe I think it was like she

796
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: got the sauce, so maybe she.

797
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 3: Got the sauce. Maybe they were really after Agatha. I

798
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 3: don't know.

799
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 2: I did feel like there was a maybe they actually

800
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 2: had come out of the ground, not for Agatha, but

801
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 2: actually for Billy because he was in a different body,

802
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: kind of like we saw in Doctor Strange. I think

803
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: they left it open for interpretation. There's lots of interpretation here. Also,

804
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: Aaron Super producer pointed out a great point where she

805
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: what Agatha says to Nick when he's born is I

806
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: spoke no spell, said, no incantation. You were made from scratch.

807
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 2: So that kind of of implies if it was magic,

808
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 2: it wasn't necessarily her magic or maybe it really is

809
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: the magic of biology. But even then, the time that

810
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 2: he was on was obviously stolen time because he could

811
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: never seem to survive.

812
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, very very interesting. Who was your MVP in

813
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 3: this show?

814
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: Wow? I mean, I think it has to be Catherine Hahn,

815
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: who's yeah, managed to walk a line between funny and

816
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: dramatic evil and also the kind of like villain that

817
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: you could that you want to hang out with. And

818
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: I think that's.

819
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 3: Actually and you want to root for for sure.

820
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: I think that's actually a very very tough thing to do.

821
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: And I think Joe Locke was amazing. I think he's

822
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: just got a presence of perfect Yeah. So I think

823
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: those two, you know, it's hard to go wrong with

824
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: anybody in this cast. Lapone.

825
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: I think that I will say that is that's very true.

826
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: I would have liked to see.

827
00:45:58,520 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: I would have liked to see more of her. I

828
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,959
Speaker 1: think that a Tower Verse episode is like as good

829
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: as it gets in MCU television. I agree, who is

830
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: your MVP?

831
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 2: I'll just go I'll go for Aubrey Plaza as Death

832
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: because I think it's fantastic casting. I would have loved

833
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 2: just every time she was on screen. I wanted to

834
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 2: see more of her. I feel like she crafted a

835
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: villain that was appealing at first but grew more toxic

836
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: and that I would love to see more of. I

837
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 2: would see her go to to toe with Thanos, I

838
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 2: would see her go to to toe with Loki.

839
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 3: I could also see her become.

840
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: An unexpected ally as it is in the future. So

841
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 2: because you picked two of the great uh, two of

842
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: the greats, I will add Aubrey in there because and

843
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 2: also her witch's cackle is is one for the for

844
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 2: the end. So now that we have Billy, who has

845
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: really been our big missing piece for the Young Avengers,

846
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: how soon do.

847
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 3: We see them? How likely do you think it is

848
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 3: that they're going to start seeding that? I do you think?

849
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: I would imagine after this round of twenty twenty five

850
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: stuff that we're going to start seeding that. And I

851
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: would imagine that the Doom stuff, once that culminates, that

852
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: will clear the road for a new Avengers team that

853
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: will be I think we'll get the Young Avengers concurrent

854
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: with the Doom stuff.

855
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: And then yeah, it makes sense if they're going to

856
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 2: do a secret war style, Yeah, we need multiple.

857
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: Teams and then post Doom, I think the Young Avengers

858
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: take the mantle. But we have them all now we do.

859
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, like, who are you most excited?

860
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be super fun to see

861
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 2: Billy with Kate Bishop. I think those two will have

862
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: really fun chemistry. I think him and Kamala will have

863
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 2: really fun chemistry.

864
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: Well, we don't have we don't have Hulkling.

865
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't have Hulkling.

866
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah unless unless Edward that we met in this will

867
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: become Teddy and is Hulkling.

868
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: I feel or of his own. You feel like the

869
00:47:58,680 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: secret of his own.

870
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 3: I feel like he looked he looked like good casting.

871
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: Also, it's tough after post you know, the secret invasion

872
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 2: of it all. It's kind of it's tough to know,

873
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: like how much more scroll stuff we're going to get,

874
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: But I do believe the the Marvels still gave a

875
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,919
Speaker 2: good space for Scroll cree kind of shenanigans.

876
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 3: Also, something that is very interesting.

877
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 2: About the original Young Avengers comics, which we talked about,

878
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 2: is every character is essentially like a fake out, like.

879
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 3: You thought they were someone.

880
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 2: You thought that Billy was like young thor you thought

881
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 2: that Iron Lad was young iron Man. You thought that

882
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 2: Hulkling was young Hulk, but they were. They all had

883
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 2: these kind of secret reveals behind them, so it'll be

884
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 2: interesting they could do something like that with hulk Ling.

885
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think I expect to see that stuff

886
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: seeded pretty soon, especially because this has been really well received,

887
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 2: and I think that Joe Locke does feel like, uh

888
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 2: a kind of immam villany level of oh week, can

889
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: this really could carry the next generation.

890
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 1: When Wanda comes back. Because she's coming back.

891
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 3: She's coming back, baby, it's happening.

892
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: How's she gonna feel about Agatha basically becoming a surrogate

893
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 1: mother to her son.

894
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: I think that she's gonna They're gonna be catti and

895
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 2: have beef over it at first. I especially think with

896
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 2: the line where you know, Billy said, she's not my mother.

897
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: I think that's probably what woke Wander up from wherever

898
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 2: she was. Wander recently was saying on a press tour

899
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 2: for Love and Death, Elizabeth Olsen was saying, you know,

900
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 2: if there's a good way to use her, I'm always

901
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 2: happy to come back. However, they can make it make sense.

902
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 2: They can make it make sense because you're the scarlet witch. Baby,

903
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 2: it's gonna happen. I think that she won't like it

904
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 2: at first. But also there is an echo here of

905
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 2: like when Agatha was Wonder's mentor in the comics. And

906
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: I also think there's something fun about how a kind

907
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 2: of ghost character. They could do a lot of fun

908
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 2: stuff with possession here, very like Bill and Ted's style.

909
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: I will be very interested to see Jack Schaefer give

910
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 2: her the MCU.

911
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 3: For a little bit.

912
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 2: Come on, guys, especially with Doom. Doom is a magical character. Yeah,

913
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 2: I have a note we need her.

914
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: I do have a note regarding the MCU's uh, you know,

915
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 1: burgeoning magic worlds. Do we need a little bit more

916
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: of a system because it.

917
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 3: Feels I think we need magic systems.

918
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: It feels it feels a little too loose, like anything

919
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 1: can happen. And I get it with Billy. It made

920
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: sense with Billy and Wanda because they were not in control,

921
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: so they didn't understand what they were capable.

922
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 3: But the other witch's powers just look kind of similar.

923
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: Yea necessarily rule and it's hard to know what they

924
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: can do, what they can't do, what the stakes are

925
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 1: when they when it's kind of like this ruless, formless thing,

926
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: and so I do hope as we get more magic characters,

927
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: the Hood is a as a magical character, although we

928
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: don't place that don't know, we don't know, if you

929
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: see that feels like a good.

930
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 3: Place to set up a system. Yeah, where the magic

931
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 3: systems are fun and it.

932
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: Gives you some idea of like what's going on, what

933
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: a character's cable I do. I did feel towards the

934
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: back end of this series like I would love to

935
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: know what the limits are a little bit because it

936
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: feels a little too mushy right now.

937
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree, especially when you start seeing

938
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 2: all the witches using the power and they all look

939
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 2: exactly the same. I'm yeah, I would love to see

940
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 2: some magic systems coming in because also those are so

941
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 2: fun to talk about and how do they work and

942
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 2: who is powered, especially in a world where we have

943
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 2: like systems for the mutants and different ways that people

944
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 2: get powers that are superpowers. Yeah, I'm I'm definitely very interested.

945
00:51:58,400 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 3: Good.

946
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 2: Aaron put another great point here, which is like nice

947
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: that they didn't end in a big, messy CG battle.

948
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad that the something that was a lot

949
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: more fun didn't feel the name.

950
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just thought this was a great show and

951
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 2: I'm very excited to see what comes next. What is

952
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 2: the next EMCU project, like live Action MCU project.

953
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 3: Is there a movie.

954
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 2: In the next Yeah, I'm like, Oh, Captain America Brave

955
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: New World in February fifteenth.

956
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: Question Mark because it it feels like question Mark. Well,

957
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: just because that movie there's been so many rewrites and

958
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: reshoots and every.

959
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 2: Loss of controversy and all the testing has been bad

960
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 2: like and continues to be bad, and so I don't know,

961
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: let's see, yea, let's see what happened.

962
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 3: I would be that's true.

963
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 2: I will say this is an out there swing, and

964
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 2: I hope this doesn't have this kind of stuff really

965
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 2: hard for people who are working on the movies. But

966
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 2: I could see a world where that date is switched

967
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 2: with the Thunderbolts date, because Thunderbolts is meant to be

968
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 2: the big Free Comic Book Day movie May two, twenty

969
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 2: twenty five. I'm guessing that they put Captain America Brave

970
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 2: New World in February because they want to do Black

971
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 2: History Month for Black Captain America with Sam Wilson. But

972
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 2: wouldn't I wouldn't be shocked if those were switched, because

973
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 2: I do think that Julena is very much in that

974
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 2: young Avenger's mindset, and it seems like Thunderbolts has been

975
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 2: done for a while. It will be interesting to see,

976
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 2: but it's very interesting that basically none of those projects

977
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 2: are tonally akin to this at all now, So we're

978
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 2: going to be ending on this high and then we're

979
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: probably not going to be seeing anything similar to this

980
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: till maybe June next year with Ironheart.

981
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, maybe if we get a

982
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: young Avengers team who Stark obviously not here anymore, so

983
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:02,919
Speaker 1: who who who has the power to bestow the Avengers

984
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: title on a person now? Because that's unclear to me.

985
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 2: You know what, I think they would probably do something

986
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 2: along the line. They will probably go the emotional route,

987
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 2: which is like Pepper is actually the one who says

988
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 2: you're them the key and says you're on the team.

989
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 2: Maybe they would even have Morgan show up to kind

990
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 2: of get more of that emotional vibe. But also I

991
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 2: think really you're looking at kind of Bruce Banner and

992
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 2: doctor Strange, those are probably your.

993
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 3: Your older Avengers.

994
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 2: Now, maybe they would call in somebody like Valkyrie and Thor,

995
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 2: and it's more of a kind of like group from

996
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 2: around the galaxy, kind of bringing in different people. But

997
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: you do raise a good point. With Tony Stark not there,

998
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 2: it's harder to have somebody say, well, I will say,

999
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 2: I will say there is a Robert Downey Junior character

1000
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 2: who will be coming in who's known.

1001
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 3: For Mackie Avellian choices.

1002
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 2: And maybe there is some world where this is like

1003
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: Doom's Avengers, and and that would actually kind of make

1004
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 2: sense with Yolena is an assassin, Kate Bishop is essentially

1005
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 2: like a rogue hero. Kam La Khan is a great

1006
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: good girl, but she would probably do anything for someone

1007
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: who looked like Tony Stark.

1008
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 3: But Billy is.

1009
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 2: Technically a killer. So maybe there's a world where they

1010
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,439
Speaker 2: play on that. But I think you raise a very

1011
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 2: interesting point, and how they do that is gonna be key.

1012
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 2: Now Robert Downey Junior is back in the space, so

1013
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 2: perhaps he just records like a classic Tony Stark video message,

1014
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 2: I have been watching you for a long time.

1015
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: I program my my AI to be me, so now I'm.

1016
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 3: Just I'm a guy in a box.

1017
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 2: Maybe Rody is involved you know he is Tony's best friend.

1018
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think you raise a very good point

1019
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 2: and it's gonna be very interesting to see where this

1020
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:00,040
Speaker 2: all lead.

1021
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: Well. Coming up next week on X ray Vision, we're

1022
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Speaker 1: talking about our other favorite streaming show, Pengwine. Hey the Penguin.

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Speaker 3: He I'm from Ayside.

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Speaker 1: Hey Hey, a guy like me having a podcast. I

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1026
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: but our extra screw will be around with Rosie to

1027
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Speaker 1: rewatch Urcane season one finale episodes eight nine, And then

1028
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Speaker 1: on Thursday, we're gonna bring the cozy. We're gonna start

1029
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Speaker 1: We're just.

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Speaker 3: Failing a blow Man love Cozy Winter's coming.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Chilis and our favorite cozy content.

1032
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Speaker 1: When you just want to get away from it all,

1033
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Speaker 1: what do you do?

1034
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 3: Just be chilling? What do you do? We'll tell you

1035
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Speaker 3: what we do.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 3: Bye.

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