1 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Here we go. 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 2: No cinderguard right here on FT for the first time, 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: making his debut, former Todd Father teammate. Great big league 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 2: picture for a long time. Great to have you on man. 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 2: Look look at your boy up top here just running 6 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: things in the media world these days. 7 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 3: Hey, what's up fellas? Thanks for having me, god father? 8 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: What kind of hair? What kind of hair you got 9 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: going on? 10 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 4: I put on a hat because I got a good 11 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 4: sized pimple up here right now, so I'm trying to. 12 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: At least you're honest right now. I love that. 13 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 4: It was Harry Potter and I when I was in 14 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 4: Charlotte a few weeks ago, I had to take a 15 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 4: slithering hat. 16 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that. 17 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 5: So talk to us a little bit about what happened. 18 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 5: You went with the White Sox. Uh did you say 19 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 5: I'm out of here? They let you go? Talk to 20 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 5: us about that? And now what do you got going 21 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 5: on right now? 22 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 3: I mean I kind of got shafted a little bit. 23 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 4: Not that my performance was anything to brag about, but 24 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 4: there was, like I don't know how many starting pitchers 25 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 4: I had on that roster, so it was kind of 26 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 4: just the odd man out. I only got two starts 27 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 4: and I was kind of just hanging out there because 28 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 4: I mean, not competing for two years and going into 29 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 4: like the high stress environment, and let me tell you, 30 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 4: the minor leagues freaking suck. 31 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's been a while since you've been a true 32 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 6: minor leaguer. But how much how much how much ramp 33 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 6: up or how much leeway or do you feel like 34 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,199 Speaker 6: you would have needed Because if you said you haven't 35 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 6: competed really for consistently for two years, what kind of 36 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 6: starts do you feel like you'd need five to seven ten? 37 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 4: You know, I've been searching for the last three years 38 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 4: on where it all kind of just went wrong, Like 39 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 4: how I mean, I still don't have a whole lot 40 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 4: of answers on I mean, I do mechanically, but. 41 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 3: I don't know how I got there. 42 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 4: How I just lost the ability to throw one hundred 43 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 4: miles an hour. I still believe that it's that it's 44 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 4: in there, But the mind is such a powerful tool, 45 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 4: and the body just kind of holds on to trauma 46 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 4: a certain way. And like when I had elbow surgery 47 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty, like I was like sick. Great, Like 48 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 4: COVID's ruining the world right now, there's not much going on. 49 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 4: It sounds like the best time to have elbow surgery. 50 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 4: But then about month fifteen, I had some kind of 51 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 4: setback to where I was supposed to throw four ings and. 52 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 3: I'm threw one. I'm like, something's not right. 53 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 4: And next day I got an MRI and Todd I 54 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 4: don't know if you remember Beam or car, but he 55 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 4: was the one that looked at the original MRI is like, 56 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 4: I think I see another tear to your cl and 57 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 4: I'm like, you got to be freaking kidding me, Like 58 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 4: I couldn't have done a better rehab. All I did 59 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 4: was eat, breathe, and sleep recovery. I lived in my 60 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 4: hyper bearer. I did countless ice plunges, SAWTA Sessions eight 61 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 4: really well, and I'm like, this doesn't make a whole 62 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 4: lot of sense. So I think that that's when my 63 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 4: body or my mind kind of went like, oh crap, 64 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 4: like we might be in some trouble here, because I 65 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 4: was thinking I might not ever play baseball again. And 66 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 4: I never got to recover from this surgery, and I 67 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 4: still feel like I haven't really recovered from it. But 68 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 4: I think my body just kind of went to like 69 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 4: big brother mode, and it's like I'm going to protect 70 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 4: you from hurting yourself again. And then I start tinkering 71 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 4: with my mechanics. I probably went to ten different facilities 72 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 4: like top notche, I went to tread, I went to 73 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 4: drive line. I've been to the place called Maven in Atlanta. 74 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 4: Worked with countless coaches and everyone seems to say something different. 75 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 4: And now I'm just trying to get back to just athleticism. 76 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 4: And like when I was really good, like I had 77 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 4: Dan Worthing as a pitching coach, and he kept things 78 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 4: super simple and just kind of trusted my body. And 79 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 4: you look at a delivery now versus where it was 80 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 4: back twenty fifteen through twenty nineteen, and like my delivery 81 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 4: changed a little bit, but like the main pillars or 82 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:19,679 Speaker 4: components that allowed me to be really good didn't really change. 83 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 4: And now I'm doing all kinds of like I'm like 84 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 4: leaning back, like, yeah, it just looks kind of out 85 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 4: of whack. But it was just like I had too 86 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 4: many cooks in the kitchen and it kind of just 87 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 4: fried me a little bit. 88 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 6: Yeah no, that's I mean all this like watching you 89 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 6: watch those highlights, I remember being a hitter and being like, 90 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 6: oh man, how can I look like that. Do you 91 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 6: feel like if you just go back, do you feel 92 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 6: like you have the ability to just go back to 93 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 6: who you were because you were ridiculous freak, you were 94 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 6: so athletic. Do you feel like you're able to say, 95 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 6: everybody out of my way, I'm going to do it 96 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 6: my way, or do you feel like to get a 97 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 6: job in the. 98 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: Game, To. 99 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 6: You know, get yourself back on the map, you have 100 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 6: to go to all the places that you said, and 101 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 6: you have to be able to speak the language, because 102 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 6: I know worth them was not speaking in force plates 103 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 6: and extension rates and spin and all that stuff. When 104 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 6: when we played you guys in twenty fifteen, you know 105 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 6: that wasn't that wasn't happening from him. So can you 106 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 6: go back to that or do you feel like you 107 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 6: have to get in line with everybody and say, okay, 108 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 6: well I throw a heavy ball as hard as I 109 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 6: can up against the wall, and this is that because 110 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 6: you did all this with your athletic natural ability, not 111 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 6: with some gimmick like turn spin, throw on a knee, 112 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 6: all that stuff. 113 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,799 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it all boil down to is a 114 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 4: paralysis by analysis. So I think the like all the 115 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 4: weighted ball stuff. I think that has its benefits for sure. 116 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 4: The force plate mounds. I like that in terms of 117 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 4: like just routine, but I think you can get a 118 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 4: little too fixated on that, and like you look at 119 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 4: de Gram or Wheeler, like I'm I don't know, maybe 120 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 4: they've changed their routine, but I don't. Those guys like 121 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 4: just had the utmost confidence and trusted their stuff and 122 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 4: just I mean in between the lines, like all they 123 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 4: did was compete. And I don't think those guys are 124 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 4: getting on force plate mounts or doing any way to 125 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 4: ball programs. But that's just kind of like the new 126 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 4: age stuff, and I kind of came up when it 127 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 4: was kind of like transitioning through all like the eeditronic cameras. 128 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 4: I remember the first time they brought the editronic cameras out. 129 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 4: I think it was like twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen, 130 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 4: and Dave Island was the pitching coach, and like he 131 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 4: sends us like these these pictures of the grips and stuff. 132 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't understand, Like what is this mean? 133 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 4: Am I supposed to post this on social media like 134 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 4: my story or something like what's his information? And then 135 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 4: I got like really, fixated on like the track man numbers, 136 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 4: and I think there's some benefit to it there because 137 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 4: I remember one time I was pitching to Jay Bruce 138 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 4: and I think it was with the Phillies, and I 139 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 4: threw two fastballs like at ninety eight up and in 140 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 4: it like had eighteen inches of ride. And then the 141 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 4: next pitch I threw one same location, it was only 142 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 4: fourteen inches of ride and he hit it into the 143 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 4: Pepsi porch or whatever it's called now. But I still 144 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 4: have the most confidents in me to get back. It'll 145 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 4: be a hell of a success story. And you know, 146 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 4: it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, 147 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 4: So I'm going to continue to try, because I mean 148 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 4: I'm in the best shape that I've ever been in, 149 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:59,239 Speaker 4: like in terms of like mobility, strength, power, just appropriate reception. 150 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 4: Like I think I'm in the right path. It's just 151 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 4: you know, you never think you're gonna be in the situation, 152 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 4: but it kind of just defines the one kind of 153 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 4: person you are. 154 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: Hey, we love ripping slab packs on arena club. I 155 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 2: just ripped one in a ruby pack. Those are fancy 156 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 2: schmancy kip and I pulled a Matt Shaw twenty twenty 157 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 2: three Bowman Draft Aqua Lunar Creater Refractor card. 158 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: And I guess what. Guess what? 159 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: I got a little offer. You get the instant offer 160 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: right away. Okay, so they're offering me one hundred and 161 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: twenty one bucks, sell it back and then I can 162 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 2: get a new slab pack. 163 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: What do I do? 164 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 7: I want to see this thing. Hold on, look at that. 165 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 7: That's a beautiful card. 166 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 6: You know what. 167 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 7: I think that's a safe bet. I think it's gonna 168 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 7: make you a little bit of money. I think the 169 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 7: more more big league time he gets, I'd almost take 170 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 7: the deal, though, I'm in it for the chase. 171 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 1: I like opening more packs. 172 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 7: I think that one hundred and twenty one can buy 173 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 7: you a couple more slabs to open. And uh, I 174 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 7: think you keep chasing until you get someone. 175 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: You really but that's the best part about it for me. 176 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: That's right. 177 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: You can sell it back one hundred twenty one bucks 178 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: and then open up another slab pack. Use the code 179 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 2: foul to receive twenty percent off your first slab pack 180 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: or card purchase at arenaclub dot com. 181 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 5: Slash foul no doubt about it, And you've always been 182 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 5: intrigod about who you are, how you go about things. 183 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 1: You're a big component of lifting. 184 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 5: I love everything about this because whenever we had our conversations, 185 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 5: we always had good talks. And you know, anything you 186 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 5: talked about, I was the exact opposite. I was the guy, 187 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 5: let's go grip it, rip it, let's get in there. 188 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 5: You ever think about you know now, you know there's 189 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 5: so much technologies you talked about. You ever just think 190 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 5: about just getting on the mound and saying, you know what, 191 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 5: screw everything else. I'm coming. I'm bringing it here. I 192 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 5: don't need paperwork or anybody to tell me anything else. 193 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 5: Forget about the mindset. I'm going to go on this 194 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 5: mound when I get my next chance and just go 195 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 5: and get after it. I don't need numbers, you know 196 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 5: what I'm saying. You ever want to get that out 197 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 5: of your mind and just go and say, screw everything else, 198 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 5: let's get after it here. 199 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 200 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 4: I've tried just about everything. I've tried it all. Like 201 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 4: I've tried to be as like mindless and dumb out 202 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 4: there and free as much as I can not think 203 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 4: about anything. But when I was really good, I still 204 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 4: like thought about certain things, like when I, uh, the 205 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 4: twenty nineteen game I pitched against the Reds, pitched a 206 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 4: complete game and hit a solo home run. Like there's 207 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 4: like around the fourth or fifth inning, and I had 208 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 4: like this little queue where I just would tell myself 209 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 4: to screw my leg into the ground, and that like 210 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 4: helped me load my really fuel into my legs. And 211 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 4: then I would just think stay closed and rip it. 212 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 4: And it got to like fourth fifth inning on it 213 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 4: got to like I could just throw my eyes closed. 214 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 4: And then five days later, I'm trying that same cueue 215 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 4: against the Padres and it's like I'm able to repeat 216 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 4: it like one in every three pitches. 217 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 3: So it's just. 218 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 4: Now like when I try to use those cues, my 219 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 4: body doesn't like translate it the right way. And you 220 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 4: take one picture. I don't know how it is with 221 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 4: hitting necessarily, but you could take like one Q. I 222 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 4: might translate that cue from another pitcher differently than what 223 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 4: they might like screen the leg into the ground. They 224 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 4: might translate that into something else. I think every athlete, 225 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 4: I think, especially with baseball, because it's like such a 226 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 4: controlled violence, like everybody has their cue, but it might 227 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 4: be I mean, something completely different to another player. 228 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 5: Do you remember now, let's switch gears here a little 229 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 5: fitt talk about something fun. We talk about the one 230 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 5: time you had that little dust up in the first 231 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 5: pitch to Chase Utley back in the day. Terry Collins 232 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 5: come out and talk about my rear ends in the jackpot, 233 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Just stuff like that. Talk 234 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 5: to us about that whole situation. I know it's way 235 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 5: in the past, but you know, was their talks before? 236 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 5: You know, this is the guy I gotta get Did 237 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,359 Speaker 5: you put that on yourself? I mean that video circles 238 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 5: every year, and Terry Collins is he just he had 239 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 5: your back and he was he was pumped up about 240 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 5: the whole situation. You know, take us back to that time, 241 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 5: and uh, you know, what was your mindset there? What 242 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 5: was going on? 243 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 4: Oh Man's Harry is the best. I love that guy. 244 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 4: But I mean and also I've heard like the best 245 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 4: things about Chase Utley too, And I don't don't necessary 246 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 4: I don't think that slide was intentional. I just think 247 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 4: he plays the game so hard and it's such a 248 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 4: ballplayer that that's just kind of what happened. But uh, 249 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 4: you know, I was just I don't think I really 250 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 4: discussed that with anybody, and I just saw my opportunity 251 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 4: there to take it. I think when I was younger, 252 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 4: I also did a lot of stupid things that I 253 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 4: didn't really think about, like throwing over Escobar's head and 254 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 4: the World Series only I think back on and I'm like, damn, 255 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 4: like cant believe it. 256 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 3: I did it, but I just. 257 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 4: But yeah, I was so juiced in that moment that 258 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 4: I think Renee Rivera actually called it a change up 259 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 4: away and I didn't even shake. I was is already 260 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 4: going into my delivery and and then I was just 261 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 4: kind of just taken back to being ejected and I 262 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 4: didn't really know what was going on. I just walked 263 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 4: off the field and I just remember walking off the 264 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 4: field and to Grom having that little signature smurf that 265 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 4: he has, so that that was a good time. 266 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 6: Anybody that you still keep in touch with that is 267 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 6: playing during from those times, like the Grom, Harvey, any 268 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 6: any of those guys that you're like, hey, you know, 269 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 6: remember when this happened, or guys that you you hit 270 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 6: up on a regular especially with the Grom throwing the 271 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 6: way he's been. Have you kept in contact with those guys? 272 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 4: A little bit to grom Actually there's probably like a 273 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 4: five minute walk from from my house, but his house 274 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 4: is a lot nicer and he's got a couple of them. 275 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 4: But you know, he's got three kids, maybe like even 276 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 4: a fourth on the way. I don't really know, and 277 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 4: so I'm win Sam fortunate enough, but I don't have 278 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 4: children right now, so you know, I'm living a kind 279 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 4: of different life. But I'm really spoken to Harvey in 280 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 4: a while. Anytime I go up to New York and 281 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 4: I hit him up. So he's up to It's always 282 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 4: nice to catch up with him. Thank who else a 283 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 4: recent guys. I haven't talked to Pete really, but I 284 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 4: think that's super cool that he's now the home run leader. 285 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 3: For the Mets. Yeah, that's about. That's about it. Other 286 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 3: than like Michael Lorenzen, he's one of my good buddies. 287 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 5: It's difficult, dude. It's the same way for me too 288 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 5: as well. You know, I got a couple of guys. 289 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 5: It's I always tell people, it's like, if you're not 290 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 5: getting Christmas cards from these guys you play with, it's 291 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 5: really it's really tough to stay in touch with them. 292 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 5: I mean, that's just something I'm going along with now. 293 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 4: I really and hearing your voice and then trying to 294 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 4: harass you and FaceTime you and trying to get you 295 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 4: to say my name on the broadcast. 296 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: I got, I got you hit me up. 297 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 5: I got my buddies telling me to say a random 298 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 5: word on a broadcast. 299 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: I'm doing the gig. They're like, oh, you know, you. 300 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 3: Know somewhere randomly. 301 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 5: I'm anyway, remember the one time, and I want you 302 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 5: to tell this story we talked about this earlier fun story. 303 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 5: I remember you were messing with me on the bus 304 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 5: one time. I forget exactly. 305 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 4: I don't have to get in the details prior, but 306 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 4: I'm honored that I was chosen for this prank, as 307 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 4: I still recovering from that experience. But uh, I think 308 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 4: we were in me so to the the road trip 309 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 4: before or the city before, and I was messing you 310 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 4: in the lobby there, and then we went to Chicago, 311 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 4: and then I'm in the training room and Mickey calls 312 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 4: us all into the clubhouse and I think it's a 313 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 4: team meeting, and there's this huge police officer in the 314 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 4: middle of the clubhouse. He's like, I'm looking for an 315 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 4: a cindergard I'm like, oh God, what did I do? 316 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 4: And then like the video like it's I wish we 317 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 4: could play the video of it, but uh. I walk 318 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 4: over to my locker and I'm trying to put like 319 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 4: get dressed. I just have my shorts on, and it 320 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 4: takes me, like I'm so rattled. It takes me two 321 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 4: minutes to get dressed, and I finally handed my id's like, 322 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 4: all right, put transmind your rack. 323 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 3: You're under arrest, and I'm like, I. 324 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 4: Just went I blacked out at that point, and like 325 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 4: if I would have just looked around the clubhouse, I 326 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 4: would have seen that some people were not maintaining their composure. 327 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 3: Half the people knew, half didn't. 328 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 4: And so I'm just like tunnel vision and like Wheelers 329 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 4: like no, what did you do? And I'm like, I 330 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 4: don't know, man like, and then the officer says something 331 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 4: and he takes me out, puts me in this random 332 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 4: room and there's a piece of paper on the table 333 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 4: and I'll start looking at him reading it and I'm like, 334 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 4: this has nothing to do with me, and then before 335 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 4: you know, Fraser's barging in the room with its camera 336 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 4: and then the other video is like next thing like 337 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 4: as soon as I leave the room, he's just like. 338 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 3: He was together. 339 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 4: But yeah, I tried my retaliation. I tried to get 340 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 4: like Brody. I tried to make it look like you 341 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 4: were going to fail a drug test. Odie was on 342 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 4: boards with that, but I didn't really know what the 343 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 4: standard procedure was on that. But if I could have 344 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 4: added Don it would have been nice. But it was 345 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 4: like a big big brother little brother moment. And I 346 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 4: always family with the Todd father. My mom is from 347 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 4: She'll say she's running Tom's River, but she was born 348 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 4: on the naval base there, and I think they moved 349 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 4: when she was like three months old. 350 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: But we'll take that as you knows Jersey girl. 351 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 5: So that was Sergeant John Connolly by the way, absolute 352 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 5: beasts came in. He's like six seven, two hundred and 353 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 5: seventy five pounds. All Braun put him in cuffs in 354 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 5: the locker room. I only told a couple of people, 355 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 5: so if you if you were to look around, some 356 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 5: people are like, what the heck's going on? In other 357 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 5: people like the grom like he couldn't control it. I 358 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 5: wanted I almost kicked him. I'm like, get I. 359 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: Wanted to out at there, but you know, Oscar, Yeah, 360 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: it was. 361 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 5: Those type of things are what makes the year special 362 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 5: for everybody. You need that type of stuff during the 363 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 5: year because it gets so boring sometimes in that locker 364 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 5: room as you as we all know, so fun stories. 365 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 4: When I was with the Angels in twenty two to 366 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 4: one of our young guys. But I guess things have 367 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,959 Speaker 4: gotten a little soft over there, and they wouldn't they 368 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 4: couldn't make it happen. 369 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: Ah. 370 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's the way it goes. And I remember 371 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 5: locking you in the Where where did I lock you 372 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 5: in in? 373 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: In New York? And oh man, the sauna. 374 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 5: Remember you were in the sauna right by the hot 375 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 5: tub there in Cityfield. 376 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, okay, when he's in New York element 377 00:18:58,240 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 4: we were in on the road in the Yankee Stadium. 378 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 4: But no, you know, I I I'm gonna have a 379 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 4: panic attack in there. 380 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 6: It'd be terrible. That'd be terrible. I would fight you. 381 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: He was only in there for ten minutes. It wasn't bad. 382 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 3: It made me tougher. That's good. Well. The Mets, Yeah, 383 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 3: the Mets let you do stuff. 384 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,479 Speaker 1: Do you run into Mets fans often? 385 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 2: Noah, Like, do you miss the you know the vibes 386 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 2: that that the Mets fans brought, you know, during those times. 387 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, Mets fans are everywhere. I was just in Austin 388 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 4: with my girlfriend and we went to some like piano bar, 389 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 4: and when we were leaving, this guy's like, oh, my 390 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 4: mom is a huge Mets fan. I'm like, oh, you're 391 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 4: your mom or you are you can just say so. 392 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 4: And anytime I go up to New York, I'll just 393 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 4: spe casually, like riding a city bike on the street, 394 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 4: and the people will recognize me. 395 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 3: That's one of my favorite things to do. 396 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 6: That's fun. That's fun. But if you cut your hair, 397 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 6: you think anybody recognize you? 398 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 3: Uh? Oh no, probably not. I don't know. I do 399 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 3: still stand out. 400 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 6: You're you're You're, You're an absolute monster. But the question 401 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 6: I have, it's kind of a good leeway, is who's 402 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 6: the most famous person in your phone? We like asking 403 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 6: dudes like this. But you lived in like the Spotlight, 404 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 6: you lived in New York. You guys went to the 405 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 6: World Series and you were four the. 406 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 3: Most famous person in my phone. 407 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 4: Wow, crap, you really put me on the spot there, 408 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 4: And I don't know, Okay, I'm trying to come up 409 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 4: with the cool answers. 410 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 3: I don't disappoint him. 411 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 6: But think about it, think about it, don't don't disappoint us, 412 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 6: because I know you got a lot of good ones. 413 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 6: I like it that you didn't say Todd because that's 414 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 6: such a cop out because he's not that famous, only 415 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 6: in Tom's River. But while you come up with that one, 416 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 6: what's your favorite big league moment? 417 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 4: All right, Well, I don't have I'm gonna do like 418 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 4: a phone number thing, but I've had some cool experiences. 419 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 4: Like one of my best friends up in New York, 420 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 4: his name is Mike Zandman, and he's really close with 421 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 4: Michael Rubin and Michael Ruben likes having those cool, overwhelming parties. 422 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 4: And when I right when I got released by the Guardians, 423 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 4: I just took a trip to New York for the week, 424 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 4: and he took me to Michael Rubin at the celebrity 425 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 4: Blackshack Tournament and he let me play in it. And 426 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 4: so I go, I put my drink down at the 427 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 4: table and I go to the bathroom. I come back 428 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 4: and there's this woman named I think La La Anthony 429 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 4: maybe I don't know. 430 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 3: Was in my seat. 431 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 4: So I just sat next to her and she said, oh, 432 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 4: do you care of my friend Kim sits there. I'm like, okay, cool, 433 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 4: So I just move over and I look over, I 434 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 4: look up, and I just turned back. I had to 435 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 4: do a double tack because Kim Kardashian was sitting right 436 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 4: next to me, and I taught her how to play 437 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 4: a little bit of blackjack. 438 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: Nice. 439 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 4: So my first favorite big league moments mm hmm, like 440 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 4: a selfish one or like a team one. I can 441 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 4: go both, Like, I guess my favorite one would probably 442 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 4: be personal one would be either hitting I think probably 443 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 4: hitting two home runs in one game and throwing eight 444 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 4: innings against the Dodgers, be up there and then man 445 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 4: celebrating on the field in Chicago to go to the 446 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 4: World Series. 447 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 3: That was pretty surreal. 448 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 4: That the whole season was crazy, just because I think, 449 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 4: like May right when I got called up, that team 450 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 4: was we're not very good. We had some like a 451 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 4: couple of guys with probably four or five guys under 452 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 4: two hundred batting average. And then I saw Kershaw later 453 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 4: in that year pitch like the fastest complete game, shout out, 454 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 4: three hit, shot out, and then we got cesspa is 455 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 4: Kelly Johnson wanting to Rebay belief pitchers, and then uh 456 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 4: maybe like just got steam like just or the best team, 457 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 4: but played really well as a team, supported each other. 458 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 3: It was just awesome to be a part of. 459 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 6: Uh No, I. 460 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 2: Got one more for you, so obviously, Yeah, you spent 461 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 2: a lot of time with the Mets. I asked about 462 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 2: that earlier, and then you told us at the beginning 463 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 2: of the conversation about you know, some of your experiences 464 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 2: with other teams, including just recently with the White Sox. 465 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 2: I always like to ask this for guys that have 466 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 2: pitched with different organizations, even if it's in the minors, Like, 467 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 2: how different is the mindset from teams, you know, even 468 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 2: from a strategy component, from when they bring a guy on, 469 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 2: when when they sign you and say, hey, here's the 470 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,239 Speaker 2: plan we have for you, here are the resources that 471 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 2: you have. How different is it from ball club to 472 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 2: ball club? Because yeah, and you're coming off the White Sox, Done, Mets, Dodgers, Angels, 473 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 2: et cetera. 474 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, the I guess the ethos or the beliefs around 475 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 4: every organization have been like very drastic, Like when I 476 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 4: was with the Mets, that was one thing with like 477 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 4: the Willpond's involved of course, and then went to the 478 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 4: Angels and it's like, oh, we're not We're not very good, 479 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 4: but we're in California, so nobody really cared. But then 480 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 4: when I got traded to the Phillies, I'm like, wow, 481 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 4: this team there, top notch, have high expectations, spared no 482 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 4: expense for their players. I know I gave Harper a 483 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 4: lot of shit sorry for I guess throughout his career, 484 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 4: much like a lot of people have. 485 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 3: But once I got to know. 486 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 4: Him, he's been He's probably one of the best teammates 487 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 4: I've ever had. 488 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 3: I just remember him like that. 489 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 4: In twenty twenty two, if any pitcher on the opposing 490 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 4: team got anywhere close to throw went up and in 491 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 4: he was ripping the picture like it was awesome to 492 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 4: see and like that took some Cahonians for sure, and 493 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 4: they just like I remember, like everyone has known me 494 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 4: as like the green water bottle guy, for like because 495 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 4: I carry the Mountain Valley, like I got it over here, 496 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 4: and like my five gallon glass container over there. And 497 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 4: then I went with the Angels, you know, like the 498 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 4: long walk from where the buses drop you off in 499 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 4: Philly to the clubhouse. They had pallettes and palettes of 500 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 4: Mountain Valley and they're like, no, this is your team. 501 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 3: This is your team. 502 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 4: I'm like and then two months later I get traded there. 503 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 4: So like they have like I'm big into like raw milk. 504 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 4: I think it's a powerful superfood and like so their 505 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 4: chef would go out and get it for me and 506 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 4: like they're the food was amazing. I mean, Honesad had 507 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 4: my personal chef travel with me. But from when it 508 00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 4: looked like it looked incredible, and Wheelership of that when 509 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 4: it did Philly Cheesteaks, and then I remember like one 510 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 4: he was complaining to today about it and Dave's like, well, 511 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 4: what do you want? 512 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 3: Like Popeyes? 513 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 4: And we were like yeah and this so the next 514 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 4: day David Bowski brings in like a whole table is 515 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 4: worth a Popeyes for Wheeler. 516 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 5: He was. 517 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: That's good stuff. Man. Well listen, thank you for coming on. Man. 518 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 5: We appreciate you. You know what, You're just getting off 519 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 5: from playing and you got a little more time on 520 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 5: your hands. Hopefully everything works out for you. Man. 521 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: We'll keep in touch and uh we'll talk to you soon, 522 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: big dog. Thanks again. 523 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me, guys. 524 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 4: Good to see you in the little League World Series today. 525 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, seven o'clock, big dog. You make sure you send 526 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: me a text message. 527 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, give him a word of the day. 528 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 3: Spamony. 529 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 1: Oh god man, thanks, we'll talk to you about the boat. App. 530 00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: That's good. 531 00:26:59,320 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 3: That's good. 532 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: Now, appreciate you man, Good to see you. 533 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 3: See you guys. 534 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 1: It's a layered Italian ice cream dessert. I don't even 535 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: know it. Did he say it again? It's p U 536 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 1: M and S p U M O N I Todd father, 537 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: have you ever heard of it? I have ever? Okay, 538 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: we're both from Jersey. You never heard of spamoni. 539 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 6: I thought it was that like it was you said 540 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 6: it was layered ice cream, like almost like laired ice 541 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 6: cream cake, right. 542 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, like different gelato kind of colors all together cakesh Yeah. 543 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I've seen it and I just didn't know 544 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 2: that it's spamoni. I'm not the best guy to comment 545 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 2: on certain desserts, to be fair, I'm not the. 546 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 6: After that there's dairy in that, well aware, well aware 547 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 6: double do get some ice cream? You don't get no. 548 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: I I will say that that was great. 549 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 2: It was cool to catch up with or obviously get 550 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 2: deep in the beginning there on what it's been like 551 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 2: for him and how you cannot pitch for a while 552 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 2: and then get thrown into the mix and unless you've 553 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 2: got it clicking in five seconds, they're like, see you later. 554 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 5: It's it's very hard. I mean, I don't know how 555 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 5: to do that. It's it's incredible. It's just it's wacky. 556 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 5: I'm not gonna be able to do that one. 557 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 6: It's not like it's not like, it's not like the 558 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 6: White Sox had just a just a plethora of pitch 559 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 6: guys that can pitch. Like they're just running through guys 560 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 6: in Triple A that are like big League ready, and 561 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 6: they're developing him in Triple A. 562 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 3: I don't know. 563 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 6: I don't know. I'd say give the guy a chance. 564 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 6: He has worlds of experience to a young roster. Yeah, 565 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 6: he might not pitch that great, but what he brings 566 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 6: to the roster I think can can help the organization 567 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 6: continue to move forward. But he, you know what, I 568 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 6: look at the differently. 569 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 2: I'm with you, Yeah, for for him, I mean, obviously Yale, 570 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 2: it sounds like he's going to try to latch on 571 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 2: with another spot. It's thirty two years old now two Well, 572 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 2: but it's interesting to hear top five. I already said, like, 573 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 2: he feels like he's got a Hundo and all that 574 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 2: still in him, but it's just tough to find it. 575 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: He's gone through some injuries, yeah. 576 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 5: And especially now at the game now he's got to 577 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 5: have that plus movement and other pitches and he hasn't 578 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 5: been on a big league mound yet, so it's very hard. 579 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: But knowing him, he can do it.