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Speaker 1: dot Com, the part of the Giants Podcast Network. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the newest edition of the Giants Huddle podcast. John

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Speaker 1: Schmelke here with you. Today's guest. Now, I guess semi

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Speaker 1: retired is the way to use it. It's Vic Carucci.

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Speaker 1: He covered the Bills for a long time. He's still

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Speaker 1: with Serious xm NFO Radio. We'll get to Vicken just

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Speaker 1: five star positive review. Now we're drawn by our guest.

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Speaker 1: He is Vick Carucci. You can still hear him on

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Speaker 1: Sirius x m NFL radio and he is joining me

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Speaker 1: live from snow drenched but from Buffalo. You can't see it.

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Speaker 1: He's in, you know, his nice abode here. But Vic,

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Speaker 1: thanks for being with us. Obviously, the Giants with some

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Speaker 1: big news today, hiring Joe Shane, who I know is

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Speaker 1: a lot of connections to the Bills, yeah, and it's

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Speaker 1: great to be of you. And yeah, you can't see

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Speaker 1: the snow. I can see the snow. But uh, that said,

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Speaker 1: Joe Shane is uh a terrific higher. I think the

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Speaker 1: Giants definitely have a really solid individual. Let's start with

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Speaker 1: the man um too be to be their new general manager.

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Speaker 1: Uh he is. You know, he's got the right personality

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Speaker 1: I believe for the job, especially because and coming from

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Speaker 1: to bottom. He's he's well versed in the idea that

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Speaker 1: it's not about him, that the attention isn't something he's seeking.

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Speaker 1: Just do the job and try to do it well.

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Speaker 1: And he learned at the elbow of Brandon Bean, an

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Speaker 1: outstanding general manager who who has helped construct this Bills team.

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Speaker 1: Uh that is seeking a a at least the they

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Speaker 1: hope a second trip to the a f C Championship.

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Speaker 1: Even then ultimately they want to get to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: But um, Joe brings the credentials of someone who took

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Speaker 1: the the humble beginning steps, that the very entry level

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Speaker 1: steps where he was grabbing coffees uh for people in

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Speaker 1: He was in the ticket office, for goodness sakes, that's

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Speaker 1: as low as you get, right and and wondering. You know.

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Speaker 1: It was interesting because he had an opportunity to go

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Speaker 1: with a pharmaceutical UH technology or pharmaceutical company. UM. It

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Speaker 1: was called Striker UH out of college, out of depaw

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Speaker 1: and he it was like an I think a salary

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Speaker 1: You're talking about a twenty one or twenty two year

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Speaker 1: old guy who was, you know, not not entering professional

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Speaker 1: And his friends told him, you really want to pass

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Speaker 1: was UM a vision that he had, a hope, a

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Speaker 1: did have some misgivings early on because he said, what

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Speaker 1: did I get myself into? Because right now I'm getting coffee?

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Speaker 1: What am I? But I what I found from from

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Speaker 1: Joe Uh is that he sees the small picture and

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Speaker 1: that's something he's learned from a lot of the mentors

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Speaker 1: has influenced him in terms of how he evaluates players

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Speaker 1: And one of his early mentors was another scout in

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Speaker 1: our conversations while he was with the Bills, he and

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Speaker 1: They'd have their disagreements, he said, and he goes, and

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Speaker 1: we're both highly competitive individuals, and that's a good thing

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Speaker 1: to have disagreement, healthy disagreement, but then come to a consensus.

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Speaker 1: And you know, his job with the Bills was mostly

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Speaker 1: he described it as the low hanging fruit. You know

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Speaker 1: some of the signings. I mean, the GM doesn't sign

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Speaker 1: you're putting a certain number of players who aren't going

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Speaker 1: Joe handled a lot of that, But Joe also was

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Speaker 1: in consultation with with the major moves that they made

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Speaker 1: and they just do salary caps. Some assistant general managers

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Speaker 1: his role in assisting Brandon Being? What was he most

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Speaker 1: you certainly have to have the talent, the quarterback, that

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Speaker 1: comprehend and understand the history. And and of course you

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Speaker 1: It doesn't happen. And this is the part nobody wants

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Speaker 1: Don't tell us it's a process and it takes this long.

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Speaker 1: unfortunately doesn't work that way. Now, can the client be

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Speaker 1: Buffalo's methodical climb began with Sean McDermott building a defense

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Speaker 1: that that to me was their way. Was was Bean's

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Speaker 1: way of saying, if we're gonna have this great talent,

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Speaker 1: and have great receivers. Uh And and they didn't have

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Speaker 1: a true number one or two prior to that. Now

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Speaker 1: they've got Diggs, now they've they've drafted, you know, Gabe Davis.

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Speaker 1: I think Emanuel Sanders solid another piece to it all.

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Speaker 1: But it's come together in a good way. But but

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Speaker 1: here's the other thing. I'll stress you better have the QB.

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Speaker 1: The QB will make good receivers great, will make average

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Speaker 1: receivers good. Um a terrible receivers a terrible receiver, and

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Speaker 1: maybe nothing can be done. But don't expect a great

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Speaker 1: receiver to be your answer to fix what the quarterback

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Speaker 1: can or can't do. It doesn't work. And I believe

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Speaker 1: that I know the Bills understood that. I'm pretty positive

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Speaker 1: that Joe Shane understands that. All right. The obviously you

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Speaker 1: cover the league on your show of Serious XM. Who

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Speaker 1: are some of the head coaching candidates? And there is

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Speaker 1: some names out there and the other that I won't mention.

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Speaker 1: I know you have some connections and knowledge of some

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Speaker 1: of these guys that the Giants might be involved in

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Speaker 1: their eyes might look towards here that have connections to Shane,

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Speaker 1: to Buffalo to other connections. You might say, where should

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Speaker 1: giant's eyes be looking here? As the head coach search

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Speaker 1: now begins an earnest Well, I think it's obvious that

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Speaker 1: once you've got a Joe Shane in place, the next

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Speaker 1: thing you look to is what are the connections with him?

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Speaker 1: M but through the prism, not a friendship, not of

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring my buddy in now because I got

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Speaker 1: this opportunity. Come along, pal, and you can be a

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Speaker 1: head coach and make a lot of money doing that.

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Speaker 1: That happens in this game, and I think it happens

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Speaker 1: in a lot of businesses. I think it's unfortunate when

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Speaker 1: it does sometimes because it's not the right reason to

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Speaker 1: have someone in that position. First of all, Joe Shane

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Speaker 1: wants to be a long time, long term success at

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Speaker 1: what he's doing. This is not oh gosh, I got

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Speaker 1: to be a general manager for a brief period. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He's looking to be there for the long haul. He

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Speaker 1: needs the right head coach to make that happen. So

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Speaker 1: if he's making that decision on someone that he trusts

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Speaker 1: Ball very well, their offensive coordinarity, knows Leslie Fraser, their

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Speaker 1: de coordinator quite well, um and and knows what they're about.

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Speaker 1: And I think there's mutual trust between them. So my

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Speaker 1: would be the case with most people looking at this

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Speaker 1: media fans, um, And I think if you're the Giants

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Speaker 1: and you and you believe that you're you know you're

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Speaker 1: in you're either intermediate or long term view? Is what

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Speaker 1: are we doing with Daniel Jones? Um? Doesn't it make sense?

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Speaker 1: I guess to have Brian day Ball be the guy

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Speaker 1: And that's surprised, if not shocked a lot of people

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Speaker 1: that a defensive coordinator, though he was a former quarterback,

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Speaker 1: got the head coaching job. And I understood that Brian

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Speaker 1: Daball went to sleep after the interview when he got

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Speaker 1: home or whatever the hotel. When he was in bed,

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Speaker 1: and he was as shocked as anyone that he didn't

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Speaker 1: get that call, and you know, it seemed to make

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Speaker 1: sense right that he was gonna come in there. You've got,

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Speaker 1: you know, arguably as good a young quarterback as you

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Speaker 1: could have with the Chargers, and you're gonna bring this

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Speaker 1: guy in to help get more out of you know,

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Speaker 1: out of that. Uh So, if that's some of the thinking,

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Speaker 1: then yes, But the head coach can't just be a

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Speaker 1: quarterback whisperer, can't just be a designer of a great offense.

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Speaker 1: The head coach has got to see a big picture

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Speaker 1: and understand everything is important. He's got to be a

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Speaker 1: CEO in his in his view. My experience is the

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Speaker 1: ones who succeed the most have a deeper understanding of everything,

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Speaker 1: uh in the in the entire of everything in the organization.

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Speaker 1: And even though their their expertise usually comes from one

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Speaker 1: side of the ball too or another um and sometimes

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Speaker 1: special teams. But for the most part, the ones who

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Speaker 1: have had a lot of success are not my opic.

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Speaker 1: They can see the whole thing. Anything advanta you to

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Speaker 1: know about Joe Jane that we even talked about here, Vic,

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Speaker 1: uh you know, I I think just that he is

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Speaker 1: again that the time I had an opportunity really to

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Speaker 1: sit down with him at length and and talk with

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Speaker 1: him about um, you know, the job, about what he

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Speaker 1: was doing and what he's about that people, just to

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Speaker 1: get to know him straightforward. Uh, I think as honest

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Speaker 1: as the day is long, as far as his ability

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Speaker 1: to to deal straight with people. Now, is he going

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Speaker 1: to when he's in front of cameras and the podium

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Speaker 1: and you know, all the New York media is seeking

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Speaker 1: answers as he's given up everything? Of course not and

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Speaker 1: and no coach, uh, no general manager, no coach, No

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Speaker 1: one in that position usually does. But if there's at

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Speaker 1: least an honesty and a trust and a fair approach

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Speaker 1: to things, which is what I think they'll get from him,

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Speaker 1: I think people will appreciate that element of it. I

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Speaker 1: think he will not that this is, you know, the

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Speaker 1: bigger part of the job has to be what he

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Speaker 1: does when he's out of sight of cameras and everything else,

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Speaker 1: when he's doing the right But but I think they'll

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Speaker 1: appreciate how he goes about his work. Vic, this was great, fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Tell the folks where they can find you on Sirius XM. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so channel eighty eight and usually in the in the

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Speaker 1: in season, it changes from from week to week in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs and all of that. But Dan Leberfeld are

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Speaker 1: I and I are on Saturday. This Saturday morning, the

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Speaker 1: first day of Divisional Round will be on from eleven

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Speaker 1: am till one pm Eastern time. Uh. And then most

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Speaker 1: days in the off season, UH it's a ten am

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Speaker 1: to two pm slot Eastern time on Sirius. So UH, yeah,

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Speaker 1: enjoy it, been doing it in a long time, and

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Speaker 1: UH appreciate those who will check in. One more thing

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Speaker 1: because there is a Giants chapter involved. But Bill Polly

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Speaker 1: and of course the Hall of Fame general manager, worked

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Speaker 1: for the Buffalo Bills, uh and and other teams, Carolina

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Speaker 1: and of course the Indianapolis Colts, UM and I we

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Speaker 1: collaborated on a book and and that's the cover back there.

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Speaker 1: It's called super Bowl Blueprints. UM. And the reason I

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Speaker 1: bring it up in this discussion is there is a

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Speaker 1: full chapter dedicated to the Giants, uh super Bowl teams,

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Speaker 1: and and Bill Parcels is in there, Phil Simms, Carl Banks. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We we've got a bunch of you know, a bunch

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Speaker 1: of people, Harry Carson as well, who it's an oral history.

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Speaker 1: And John Mara was so generous with his time in helping,

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Speaker 1: UH talk about the whole the humble beginnings of the

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Speaker 1: Giants franchise to those points where they uh and and

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Speaker 1: of course you know watching his dad go through all

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Speaker 1: of that, and I'm sure there's some sense of John

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Speaker 1: reliving some of that humble history. Of course, we don't

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Speaker 1: it into that part in the book as far as

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Speaker 1: the current situation, but it does give I think a

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Speaker 1: good historic perspective of how they put those teams together.

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Speaker 1: And and each chapter, uh, from the early seventies like Raiders, Steelers,

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Speaker 1: all the way through to the early nineties, excuse me,

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Speaker 1: early two thousand's, early two thousands, um, and and we

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Speaker 1: have a lot of just just a lot of great insights.

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Speaker 1: And Bill leads to this, Bill Polly and leads the

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Speaker 1: discussion in each chapter. But I just think it's something

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Speaker 1: giant fans or football fans in general, we'll enjoy. I appreciate.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go on Amazon. I gonna wear myself a

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Speaker 1: copy right now. Vig, great stuff, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you down the road. Survived the snow

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Speaker 1: up there, my men, My pleasure. That's Big Caruci. Check

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Speaker 1: him out on series XM. Go by the book. I'm

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Speaker 1: John Schmilk. We'll see you next time on the Giant

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