WEBVTT - The Weird Story of the First Cyberattack 

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from iHeartRadio. Hey Thearon,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>an executive producer with iHeart Podcasts and how the tech

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<v Speaker 1>are you. Since we're winding down my tenure as host

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<v Speaker 1>of this venerable podcast, I thought that it would be

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<v Speaker 1>fun to kind of look at some quirky stories I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't covered in the past, and this is one that

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<v Speaker 1>some people refer to as the first cyber attack. Cyber

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<v Speaker 1>attacks obviously big in the news these days. There are

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<v Speaker 1>tons of stories surrounding them, everything from using cyber attacks

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<v Speaker 1>to spread disinformation, to espionage to sabotage. So there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot we could talk about. But what if we were

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about a nineteenth century cyber attack, a cyber

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<v Speaker 1>attack that happens well before there was ever an internet,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, before there was wired telegraphs running through the

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<v Speaker 1>region we'll be talking about. So allow me to tell

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<v Speaker 1>you a story. And details of this story may or

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<v Speaker 1>may not be entirely true, but we're going to go

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<v Speaker 1>with it anyway. There are certainly some resources that point

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<v Speaker 1>to this story being true. There are tons of blog

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<v Speaker 1>posts and videos and stuff that talk about this, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think most of them are pulling their information from

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<v Speaker 1>one or two more recent sources. However, there's an article

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<v Speaker 1>in an eighteen thirty seven edition of a French newspaper

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<v Speaker 1>that I used for this particular episode. Now I should

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<v Speaker 1>add I had to rely on auto translation for that article.

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<v Speaker 1>My French at this point is non existent. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>the story of how a pair of brothers were able

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<v Speaker 1>to tap into a communications network and then insert information

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<v Speaker 1>into that network in an effort to capitalize on stock

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<v Speaker 1>market and bond information before anyone else could, or at

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<v Speaker 1>least anyone else in their neck of the woods in France.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want to point out a few sources that

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<v Speaker 1>I use while playing this together, because that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be very helpful, especially if you want to read up

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<v Speaker 1>on this too. So I think my starting point was

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Standige's piece called The Crooked Timber of Humanity in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen forty three magazine. That piece was published, as far

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<v Speaker 1>as I can tell, in twenty seventeen, but Standige had

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<v Speaker 1>written a book in nineteen ninety eight titled The Victorian

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<v Speaker 1>Internet that certainly ties in with this. He talks about

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<v Speaker 1>the network system we're going to chat about in this episode. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I have not had the chance to read Standige's book.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to get a copy because it sounds fascinating,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm not sure if this particular incident makes an

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<v Speaker 1>appearance in the book because I haven't read it yet. However,

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<v Speaker 1>Standage certainly writes about one of the key elements involved

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<v Speaker 1>in our story within the Victorian Internet, and from the

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<v Speaker 1>reviews i've it sounds like it's a really easy read

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<v Speaker 1>and very informative and entertaining. So it's on my list now.

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<v Speaker 1>Another piece I relied upon was a nineteen ninety nine

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<v Speaker 1>article titled taking Stock by Gerard J. Holsman. Holsman has

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<v Speaker 1>also written about this communications network we're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>talking about in this episode. He's got a white paper

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<v Speaker 1>that I found that's all about this particular network, and

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<v Speaker 1>then in this article he goes into the incident we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be chatting about. I found that article in INC magazine.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, that's INC as an incorporated, not as

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<v Speaker 1>in tattoos. And finally, thanks to a blog commenter with

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<v Speaker 1>the handle tATu Tata, and I know I've messed that

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<v Speaker 1>up on Schneier dot com, I can cite that eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seven newspaper article. I mentioned it's in the and

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<v Speaker 1>I apologize. My French pronunciation is worse than my understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of French. It's been thirty years since I've studied French.

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<v Speaker 1>But the newspaper is titled Journal des de bat Politique

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<v Speaker 1>e leterreer. So again, I know my pronunciation's horrible. Just

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<v Speaker 1>save it. I'm already aware. So we're going to assume

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<v Speaker 1>this story is true, or at least mostly true. It

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<v Speaker 1>definitely has some verifiable elements in it. One big, important

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<v Speaker 1>verifiable element is that an eighteenth century inventor named Claude

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<v Speaker 1>Shop came up with a clever way to transmit messages

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<v Speaker 1>quickly over vast distances. He used signaling towers, which you know,

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<v Speaker 1>actually has been a way to send messages for hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of years, even before the eighteenth century. But his initial

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<v Speaker 1>approach used two clocks and some large flipboards that had

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<v Speaker 1>white on one side and black on the other. And

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<v Speaker 1>the method of communication, honestly, is somewhat opaque to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I read a very simplified explanation, but it was so

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<v Speaker 1>simplified as to not have any sticking power on my

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<v Speaker 1>brain cells. However, it doesn't really matter because by the

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<v Speaker 1>time our story takes place, he had already evolved his

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<v Speaker 1>approach to using poles that were mounted on beams, and

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<v Speaker 1>those beams, in turn were mounted on masts that stood

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<v Speaker 1>up on the top of signaling towers. So each mast

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<v Speaker 1>had a beam attached at the top. The beam was

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<v Speaker 1>attached in the center on like a pivot point, so

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<v Speaker 1>the beam could rotate and it could hold four different positions.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be horizontal relative to the mast, so this

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<v Speaker 1>would be like a person standing up straight and holding

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<v Speaker 1>their arms out straight off to either side. Or it

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<v Speaker 1>could be vertical, so this would be if you were

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<v Speaker 1>to hold your arms at the twelve o'clock and six

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<v Speaker 1>o'clock positions, assuming you are familiar with anaalog clocks. And

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<v Speaker 1>then it could also be diagonal, with either the left

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<v Speaker 1>side higher than the right or vice versa. Now at

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<v Speaker 1>either end of the beam that's mounted to this mast

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<v Speaker 1>were poles, a pole on each end, and they were

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<v Speaker 1>mounted at the ends on a pivot point. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>like if you were holding a stick, like imagine that

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<v Speaker 1>you're holding a stick at the end. That's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like what this looked like. So the poles could also

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<v Speaker 1>be rotated into different position, and they could hold multiple

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<v Speaker 1>positions from their respective end of the beam. The whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing was meant to be like a human being holding

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<v Speaker 1>semaphore flags. If you've ever seen those those signaling flags

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<v Speaker 1>where you hold your arms out and you hold the

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<v Speaker 1>flags up in specific positions, and that gives a particular

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<v Speaker 1>meaning according to a shared code. So, using a control

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<v Speaker 1>system that consisted of chains and pulleys, an operator could

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<v Speaker 1>manipulate the device to hold one of many different positions,

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<v Speaker 1>and then by ascribing these positions some sort of meaning.

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<v Speaker 1>Through creating a code, Shapp was able to create a

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<v Speaker 1>messaging system. So the towers were constructed so that through

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<v Speaker 1>the use of a telescope, the operator could see incoming

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<v Speaker 1>messages from the previous tower. They could then transcribe the

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<v Speaker 1>symbols that were used in that message. Then they could

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<v Speaker 1>send that same message further down the chain to the

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<v Speaker 1>next tower on and so forth. Now, Shap's plan was

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<v Speaker 1>to give only the origin and the destiny nation cities

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<v Speaker 1>the endpoints of the communication lines the actual ability to

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<v Speaker 1>encode and decode those messages. The operators in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the line would have no idea what they were transmitting,

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<v Speaker 1>they would just be copying what came before and then

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<v Speaker 1>sending that same sequence of symbols along. This was to

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<v Speaker 1>maintain message security because this communication systems was primarily used

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<v Speaker 1>by the French government and nobody else Like the French

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<v Speaker 1>government had exclusive use of this communication system and there

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<v Speaker 1>would be special commands that the origin operator could use

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<v Speaker 1>to indicate that he had made a mistake in the transcription.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say that you are operator number one or

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<v Speaker 1>a number uden, you know, if you're in Paris, France,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're transcribing a government message to be sent to well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say it's Bordeaux, because that's the city that will

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<v Speaker 1>factor into our story. However, you realize that, gosh darn it,

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<v Speaker 1>you've only gone and done put the wrong symbol in

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<v Speaker 1>your last transmission, like you were transmitting, and you accidentally

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<v Speaker 1>sent a message or a word that means something like

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<v Speaker 1>cat instead of I don't know military. So then you

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<v Speaker 1>have to use another signal, and that signal is essentially backspace,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning that last symbol I sent you was in error. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the next operator in the chain is going to transmit

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<v Speaker 1>everything you sent, including the mistake and the backspace because

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<v Speaker 1>operator too or do if you will, is unaware of

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<v Speaker 1>what those symbols actually mean. They're just sending along what

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<v Speaker 1>it is that they personally have received the message errors,

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<v Speaker 1>and all continue down the line until they finally get

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<v Speaker 1>to their destination. There at Bordeaux. The receiving operator at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the line writes on the code, notes

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<v Speaker 1>the indicators that say there's an error here, erases those errors,

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<v Speaker 1>and decodes the message and records it down. So any

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<v Speaker 1>errors that were sent along the line, assuming they hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>been introduced by an intermediary tower, will get taken out. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>it was this get taken out bit that in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty four factors into our store all right. Now, Sadly,

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<v Speaker 1>Claude Schapp would not live to see this happen. He

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<v Speaker 1>had taken his own life back in eighteen oh five

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<v Speaker 1>under circumstances that were never entirely clear, at least not

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<v Speaker 1>to history, and this provided opportunity to a pair of

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<v Speaker 1>brothers who are the heroes or perhaps anti heroes of

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<v Speaker 1>our story. We'll talk about those brothers in just a moment,

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<v Speaker 1>but first let's take a quick break to thank our sponsors.

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<v Speaker 1>So before the break, I mentioned we have a pair

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<v Speaker 1>of brothers, not just brothers. They're twins, Francois and Joseph Blanc.

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<v Speaker 1>At least according to various sources, those were their names.

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<v Speaker 1>If you go to that eighteen thirty seven newspaper article,

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<v Speaker 1>you get a bit more specific. I mean, at first

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<v Speaker 1>article just as the brothers Blanc over and over and

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<v Speaker 1>over again without telling you their first names. But eventually

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<v Speaker 1>you get Louis, Joseph and Francois Blanc. That Louis is

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<v Speaker 1>very important because Louis and Francois Blanc twin brothers, would

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<v Speaker 1>indicate that the Francois Blanc in this story would go

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<v Speaker 1>on to great fame and fortune. More on that in

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<v Speaker 1>a bit. So, according to this newspaper article, the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that they were twins actually made it more complicated because

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<v Speaker 1>they're identical. They were identical twins, not fraternal twins. And

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we have the working for a real

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<v Speaker 1>farcical situation going on here where there's like mistaken identities

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<v Speaker 1>and conspiracies. Seriously, how has Wes Anderson not made a

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<v Speaker 1>movie about this already? Anyway, the brothers Blanc were bankers

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<v Speaker 1>in the city of Bordeaux, which sounds like a tongue twister.

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<v Speaker 1>They were in the business of trading government bonds or

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<v Speaker 1>speculating if you are being a little less generous, let's say. However,

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<v Speaker 1>one problem they ran into was that they were always

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<v Speaker 1>behind the times when it came to what was going

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<v Speaker 1>on with the market in Paris. Because this is eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty four, news about the market would take days to

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<v Speaker 1>arrive in Bordeaux would be carried aboard a male coach,

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<v Speaker 1>and obviously male coaches had to traverse hundreds of miles

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<v Speaker 1>to get to their destination, Like the distance between Paris

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<v Speaker 1>and Bordeaux is more than three hundred miles, So by

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<v Speaker 1>the time the Brothers would learn of what was going

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<v Speaker 1>on in Paris, it would be too late for them

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<v Speaker 1>to capitalize on that information in Bordeaux. But if they

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<v Speaker 1>could only find out what was going on faster, if

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<v Speaker 1>they got news before their competitors did, they could actually

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<v Speaker 1>make money on speculation. Now, the telegraph system, as I

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned earlier, was restricted to official government communications, so the

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<v Speaker 1>brothers had no legal access to that system. And if

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<v Speaker 1>they had, so would everybody else, and the playing ground

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<v Speaker 1>would be even across the board. But the brothers came

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<v Speaker 1>up with a clever scheme. There was a weakness in

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<v Speaker 1>the line. So, like I said, an operator at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of the communications line could indicate that they had

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<v Speaker 1>mistakenly transmitted the wrong symbol by including a backspace message.

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<v Speaker 1>But if mistakes happened in between the origin and the destination,

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<v Speaker 1>they would go unchecked until they arrived at the endpoint. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the longer the chain of communication was, the more likely

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<v Speaker 1>errors would confound the message, because towers along the way

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<v Speaker 1>would just make a mistake right, not just at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning and endpoints, but all along the way. And since

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<v Speaker 1>the distance between Paris and Bordeaux was, you know, three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred miles, actually more than three hundred miles, there were

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<v Speaker 1>risks that a message arriving at Bordeaux would just end

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<v Speaker 1>up being gibberish by the time it got there from

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<v Speaker 1>all the errors. So the French government deemed it necessary

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<v Speaker 1>to have a sort of midway point established in Tour,

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<v Speaker 1>which is roughly halfway between Paris and Bordeaux. So at Tour,

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<v Speaker 1>another operator would be allowed to actually decode the incoming

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<v Speaker 1>message before encoding it again and then sending it along

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<v Speaker 1>to Bordeaux. The Tour operator would be able to correct

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<v Speaker 1>any errors before they became too egregious. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>this operator that the brothers Blanc targeted. Paris would have

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<v Speaker 1>been too risky, but tour was a possibility, so they

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<v Speaker 1>plied this operator with bribery. I like to think they

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<v Speaker 1>included wine and cheese in the process, but actually, according

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<v Speaker 1>to the eighteen thirty seven French news paper report, it

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<v Speaker 1>was through money. The telegraph operations paid out very little,

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<v Speaker 1>and the brothers were happy to supplement the operator's meager

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<v Speaker 1>income with bribes. That, in fact, was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>elements that investigators would point to that the co conspirators

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<v Speaker 1>in the Blanc crime were able to accumulate wealth far

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<v Speaker 1>beyond their legal and meager means. Yay capitalism. Also, sadly,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be those two co conspirators that would end

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<v Speaker 1>up getting most of the blame. We'll talk about why.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, what did the brothers actually want the tour

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<v Speaker 1>operator of this communications line to do. Well. They wanted

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<v Speaker 1>him to insert errors on purpose into the chain of communications,

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<v Speaker 1>and those errors would be in response to news about

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<v Speaker 1>the French markets. And there are some variations in the story.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point in Standage's twenty seventeen Economist article, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the crooked timber of humanity. He doesn't actually indicate how

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<v Speaker 1>the tour operator would get information about the Parisian stock market,

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<v Speaker 1>just that he would pass that information down the communications

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<v Speaker 1>line to dough in the form of purposefully inserted errors

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<v Speaker 1>in the communication chain. But the newspaper article from eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seven says that someone in Paris would actually indicate

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<v Speaker 1>where the Parisian markets were going by sending either a

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<v Speaker 1>pair of gloves or a pair of stockings, or sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>a necktie by coach to the tour operator. So the

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<v Speaker 1>package arrives at the tour operator, he opens it up,

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<v Speaker 1>he sees, Oh, there's a pair of gloves, that means

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<v Speaker 1>the market is doing this, or oh it's a pair

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<v Speaker 1>of stockings, that means the market is doing that. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>his glove and stocking collection is growing every week. Later

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<v Speaker 1>versions of the story were, as conveyed in various blogs

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<v Speaker 1>and such, would say that the color of the fabric

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<v Speaker 1>inside the package was also an indicator as to how

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<v Speaker 1>the markets were doing. But I couldn't really glean that

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<v Speaker 1>from the eighteen thirty seven newspaper article. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>it's wrong. I'm just saying my ability to read somewhat

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<v Speaker 1>questionably translated French is a little iffy, all right. So

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<v Speaker 1>the tour operator gets the indication of where the Parisian

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<v Speaker 1>stock market is going, and then he inserts an error

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<v Speaker 1>in to the official messages, indicating essentially either up or down,

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<v Speaker 1>then includes the backspace symbol to indicate that the up

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<v Speaker 1>or down message was transmitted an error. So the message

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<v Speaker 1>with the inserted error would continue on down the line

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<v Speaker 1>all the way to Bordeaux, where the brothers had hired

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<v Speaker 1>a former tower operator to watch for incoming messages and

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<v Speaker 1>look for the tailtale signs of up or down followed

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<v Speaker 1>by the backspace. So this person wasn't actually working a

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<v Speaker 1>signal tower. They were just using a telescope to look

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<v Speaker 1>at a penultimate tower, the one that arrives before the endpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>to see what the message says. So this co conspirator

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<v Speaker 1>would then tell the brothers what the messages indicated, and

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<v Speaker 1>the brothers would quickly capitalize on the situation before the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of Bordeaux knew where the markets were headed. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the line in Bordeaux, the innocent

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<v Speaker 1>operator there the one who's receiving the message would just

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<v Speaker 1>decode the incoming messages and delete all the errors as

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<v Speaker 1>indicated like do the backspaces, and that erased the evidence

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<v Speaker 1>of the brothers crime. And for two years, the story goes,

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<v Speaker 1>the brothers were able to get the scoop on what

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<v Speaker 1>was going on and were able to profit from it

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<v Speaker 1>by acting faster than their competitors. But it all came

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<v Speaker 1>crashing down. Why well, Sandidge says that the compromised operator

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<v Speaker 1>in Tour got sick, and in fact, the eighteen thirty

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<v Speaker 1>seven article tells the same story, sick enough to be

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<v Speaker 1>on his deathbed and he could no longer work his post.

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<v Speaker 1>So then he confides in a friend of his and

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<v Speaker 1>he hoped that his friend would take up that same

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<v Speaker 1>role in the conspiracy. But his friend was the more

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<v Speaker 1>honest sort of person, and he went to the gendarme.

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<v Speaker 1>He went to the authorities, and ultimately the co conspirators

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<v Speaker 1>and the Blanc brothers were arrested. Now, the co conspirators,

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<v Speaker 1>the operators, they could actually be charged on issues with

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<v Speaker 1>compromising the communication systems, but for the brothers it was

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<v Speaker 1>more complicated because there was no law on the books

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<v Speaker 1>that the brothers had actually broken This kind of crime

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<v Speaker 1>was so new there was no law to cover. This

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<v Speaker 1>is something we have encountered multiple times with technology. So

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<v Speaker 1>they were released. The two brothers were released not too

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<v Speaker 1>long after they were arrested. Now some versions of the

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<v Speaker 1>story say they had to pay some fines, but they

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<v Speaker 1>got to keep most of the money they made off

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<v Speaker 1>their schemes, and so ins the tale of the first

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<v Speaker 1>cyber attack, or what's alleged to be the first cyber attack.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do have a couple more fun bonus details

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<v Speaker 1>to share with this story now. First up, the Blanc brothers,

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<v Speaker 1>according to that newspaper article, were also students of pressed

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<v Speaker 1>to digitation or stage magic, particularly playing card magic, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were identified also as gamblers who rarely lost. And

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<v Speaker 1>the implication in the newspaper, if one were to read

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<v Speaker 1>between the French lines, is that they use their stage

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<v Speaker 1>magic skills to cheat at cards. In fact, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the two, Francois Blanc, would become known as the Magician

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<v Speaker 1>of Hamburg when a few decades later he would establish

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<v Speaker 1>a casino in Hamburg. But further down the line, he

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<v Speaker 1>would play an instrumental part in the establishment of the

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<v Speaker 1>world famous Monte Carlo Casino in Monaco, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>totally separate story. I've been to that casino, though I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know about this story at the time, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's a really cool story to know. When I

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<v Speaker 1>first started researching this, I began to worry that it

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<v Speaker 1>was an apocryphal story because all the sources I could

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<v Speaker 1>find were after at least after nineteen ninety eight, most

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<v Speaker 1>of them were after twenty seventeen, and none of them

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<v Speaker 1>were citing the French newspaper articles, so they all seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to gather it from this pair of articles from ninety

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<v Speaker 1>nine in twenty seventeen, and I worried that maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>was all made up seas. But eventually, when I found

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<v Speaker 1>that French newspaper, thanks to the commenter on the blog

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<v Speaker 1>that I mentioned earlier, I was able to at least

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<v Speaker 1>see that there's some journalistic evidence that Francois Blanc Impresario,

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<v Speaker 1>founder or co founder of the Monte Carlo Casino in

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<v Speaker 1>Monaco once upon a time, was a hacker, or at

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<v Speaker 1>least paid hackers to hack. Kind of cool. Hope you

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed that story, Hope you enjoyed this episode. I will

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